Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 11, Issue 84

From: Warren Goodman via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 06:30:38 +0000 (UTC)

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VWs verts had 3 different sizes of tear windows, but even the smallest woul=
d not fit.=20
Falcons have a zipped window that would be fine as a model to make smaller =
for a Tiger.=C2=A0 Possibly a bi-fold Fox body=C2=A0 Mustang could be cut d=
own to fit in front or behind the raised metal ledge in the top well. This =
idea has always been on my wish list for the Falcon and Tiger.=20
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=C2=A0 1. Red Tiger in Annapolis (Larry E. Paulick)
=C2=A0 2. Re: Convertible Top's Plastic Window (Jay Laifman)

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2019 18:45:58 -0500
From: "Larry E. Paulick" <[email-masked]>
To: Tiger's List <[email-masked]>
Subject: [Tigers] Red Tiger in Annapolis

I saw a red Tiger with Red HT in Annapolis on Tuesday getting on Route 50 (=
going east) from Route 2 around 1-1:30 PM yesterday.=C2=A0 Can the owner em=
ail me privately, or if you know this owner, let me have contact info.

Thanks

Larry Paulick
1965 Red Tiger w/ Red HT also

> On Feb 27, 2019, at 2:22 PM, coolvt--- via Tigers <[email-masked]>=
 wrote:
>=20
> If I remember right the MGB had a window that zipped on the top and sides=
. Could be left down for a nice breeze through the car.
>=20
> In a message dated 2/27/2019 2:03:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, tigers@aut=
ox.team.net writes:
>=20
> Doug Robbins (who designed the soft top for the Tiger) says adding a zipp=
er to the current design would lead to wrinkles in the top.=C2=A0 The entir=
e design would have to be changed in order to properly support a zipper sof=
t top.=20
>=20
>=C2=A0=20
>=C2=A0=20
> From: Tigers [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of michael =
king via Tigers
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 2:19 AM
> To: Rob Hogan
> Cc: Tiger's List
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Convertible Top's Plastic Window
>=20
>=C2=A0=20
> A big reason that they all have plastic windows is quite obvious by the s=
hot of the very early volks convertible... they have a VERY small rear wind=
ow and the tops folded down like a pram sitting on the back of the car.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> While some modern cars have split glass rear windows in the tops so the g=
lass can fold into a smaller space.. glass generally needs to remain flat a=
nd not be forced into a small space when folded.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> You could probably make a Sunbeam with a zip-out window like some MX5's (=
miata) or some other more modern convertibles.. but size, folding mechanism=
 and likelihood of impact are main reasons they are not often used.
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=C2=A0=20
> On Wed, 27 Feb 2019 at 17:12, Rob Hogan via Tigers <[email-masked]=
>=20
> In a Facebook Jalopnik article, author Jason Torchinsky expounds on "Why =
Was This OK" in reference to the application of substandard plastic rear wi=
ndows in convertible tops of almost every auto manufacturer except VW.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> As he explains: " No matter how amazing or expensive or well-built the ca=
r one of these plastic windows was stuck on, sooner or later the window wou=
ld cloud up and get filthy and more and more opaque, until eventually it?d =
yellow and crack" and "But there?s also questions for the convertible-buyin=
g population of the time, specifically, why did anyone put up with this s**=
*?"
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Having recently replaced my own Tiger's convertible perfectly useable top=
 specifically because of a no longer transparent rear plastic window, I'd l=
ike to know if there is even the option of having the rear window replaced =
with a new glass or plastic window.=C2=A0 I would have gladly paid extra fo=
r a top without a deficient plastic window.
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> https://jalopnik.com/its-absurd-we-put-up-with-this-crap-for-so-long-1832=
909894?utm_campaign=3Dsocialflow_jalopnik_facebook&utm_source=3Djalopnik_fa=
cebook&utm_medium=3Dsocialflow&fbclid=3DIwAR1RMm-lW5Df_T9MYvGcRa-SNHIfvhisy=
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Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2019 19:58:51 -0800
From: Jay Laifman <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Convertible Top's Plastic Window

Go GT and you won?t have to worry about it.=C2=A0=20

For most tops, by the time the plastic goes bad, probably need a new top an=
yway.=20

FWIW on my 18 year old Boxster top, I have routinely=C2=A0 cleaned it with =
Plexus and it is still good.=C2=A0=20

> On Feb 27, 2019, at 11:22 AM, coolvt--- via Tigers <[email-masked]=
> wrote:
>=20
> If I remember right the MGB had a window that zipped on the top and sides=
. Could be left down for a nice breeze through the car.
>=20
> In a message dated 2/27/2019 2:03:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, tigers@aut=
ox.team.net writes:
>=20
> Doug Robbins (who designed the soft top for the Tiger) says adding a zipp=
er to the current design would lead to wrinkles in the top.=C2=A0 The entir=
e design would have to be changed in order to properly support a zipper sof=
t top.=20
>=20
>=C2=A0=20
>=20
>=C2=A0=20
>=20
> From: Tigers [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of michael =
king via Tigers
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 2:19 AM
> To: Rob Hogan
> Cc: Tiger's List
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Convertible Top's Plastic Window
>=20
>=C2=A0=20
>=20
> A big reason that they all have plastic windows is quite obvious by the s=
hot of the very early volks convertible... they have a VERY small rear wind=
ow and the tops folded down like a pram sitting on the back of the car.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> While some modern cars have split glass rear windows in the tops so the g=
lass can fold into a smaller space.. glass generally needs to remain flat a=
nd not be forced into a small space when folded.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> You could probably make a Sunbeam with a zip-out window like some MX5's (=
miata) or some other more modern convertibles.. but size, folding mechanism=
 and likelihood of impact are main reasons they are not often used.
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=C2=A0=20
>=20
> On Wed, 27 Feb 2019 at 17:12, Rob Hogan via Tigers <[email-masked]=
> wrote:
>=20
> In a Facebook Jalopnik article, author Jason Torchinsky expounds on "Why =
Was This OK" in reference to the application of substandard plastic rear wi=
ndows in convertible tops of almost every auto manufacturer except VW.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> As he explains: " No matter how amazing or expensive or well-built the ca=
r one of these plastic windows was stuck on, sooner or later the window wou=
ld cloud up and get filthy and more and more opaque, until eventually it?d =
yellow and crack" and "But there?s also questions for the convertible-buyin=
g population of the time, specifically, why did anyone put up with this s**=
*?"
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Having recently replaced my own Tiger's convertible perfectly useable top=
 specifically because of a no longer transparent rear plastic window, I'd l=
ike to know if there is even the option of having the rear window replaced =
with a new glass or plastic window.=C2=A0 I would have gladly paid extra fo=
r a top without a deficient plastic window.
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> https://jalopnik.com/its-absurd-we-put-up-with-this-crap-for-so-long-1832=
909894?utm_campaign=3Dsocialflow_jalopnik_facebook&utm_source=3Djalopnik_fa=
cebook&utm_medium=3Dsocialflow&fbclid=3DIwAR1RMm-lW5Df_T9MYvGcRa-SNHIfvhisy=
JgYLJmOVF0lw0jMP_SbQGfgg4o
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<p dir=3D"ltr">VWs verts had 3 different sizes of tear windows, but even th=
e smallest would not fit. <br>
Falcons have a zipped window that would be fine as a model to make smaller =
for a Tiger.&nbsp; Possibly a bi-fold Fox body&nbsp; Mustang could be cut d=
own to fit in front or behind the raised metal ledge in the top well. This =
idea has always been on my wish list for the Falcon and Tiger. </p>
</br></br><div class=3D"device_aol_et_org_dt_dd_quote"></div><hr style=3D"b=
order:0;height:1px;color:#999;background-color:#999;width:100%;margin:0 0 9=
px 0;padding:0;"></hr><span style=3D"font-size:14px; color:#999999;">On Wed=
nesday, February 27, 2019 tigers-request &#60;<span style=3D"color:#0000A0"=
>[email-masked]</span>&#62; wrote:</span><br></br><div dir=3D'ltr'>S=
end Tigers mailing list submissions to<br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp; <a ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:tigers@=
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n/listinfo/tigers</a><br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>or, via email, send a messa=
ge with subject or body 'help' to<br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp; <a ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:tige=
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dir=3D'ltr'><br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>You can reach the person managing th=
e list at<br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a ymailto=3D"mailto=
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=3D'ltr'>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specifi=
c<br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..."<br></di=
v><div dir=3D'ltr'><br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'><br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>To=
day's Topics:<br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'><br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&nbsp;  =
1. Red Tiger in Annapolis (Larry E. Paulick)<br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&nbs=
p;  2. Re: Convertible Top's Plastic Window (Jay Laifman)<br></div><div dir=
=3D'ltr'><br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'><br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>------------=
----------------------------------------------------------<br></div><div di=
r=3D'ltr'><br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>Message: 1<br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>D=
ate: Wed, 27 Feb 2019 18:45:58 -0500<br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>From: "Larry=
 E. Paulick" &lt;<a ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br></div><div dir=3D'=
ltr'>To: Tiger's List &lt;<a ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br></div><d=
iv dir=3D'ltr'>Subject: [Tigers] Red Tiger in Annapolis<br></div><div dir=
=3D'ltr'>Message-ID: &lt;<a ymailto=3D"mailto:3B24DE1D-36C5-4632-A0F0-F7644=
[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:3B24DE1D-36C5-4632-A0F0-F764425569FE@ve=
rizon.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br></di=
v><div dir=3D'ltr'>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8"<br></div><di=
v dir=3D'ltr'><br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>I saw a red Tiger with Red HT in A=
nnapolis on Tuesday getting on Route 50 (going east) from Route 2 around 1-=
1:30 PM yesterday.&nbsp; Can the owner email me privately, or if you know t=
his owner, let me have contact info.<br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'><br></div><d=
iv dir=3D'ltr'>Thanks<br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'><br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>=
Larry Paulick<br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>1965 Red Tiger w/ Red HT also<br></=
div><div dir=3D'ltr'><br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; On Feb 27, 2019, at 2:=
22 PM, coolvt--- via Tigers &lt;<a ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
 href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:=
<br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; If I rememb=
er right the MGB had a window that zipped on the top and sides. Could be le=
ft down for a nice breeze through the car.<br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; <=
br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; In a message dated 2/27/2019 2:03:14 PM East=
ern Standard Time, <a ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" href=3D"mail=
to:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> writes:<br></div><div d=
ir=3D'ltr'>&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; Doug Robbins (who designed =
the soft top for the Tiger) says adding a zipper to the current design woul=
d lead to wrinkles in the top.&nbsp; The entire design would have to be cha=
nged in order to properly support a zipper soft top. <br></div><div dir=3D'=
ltr'>&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt;&nbsp; <br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>=
&gt;&nbsp; <br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; From: Tigers [mailto:<a ymailto=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces@aut=
ox.team.net">[email-masked]</a>] On Behalf Of michael king v=
ia Tigers<br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019=
 2:19 AM<br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; To: Rob Hogan<br></div><div dir=3D'=
ltr'>&gt; Cc: Tiger's List<br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; Subject: Re: [Tig=
ers] Convertible Top's Plastic Window<br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; <br></=
div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt;&nbsp; <br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; A big reaso=
n that they all have plastic windows is quite obvious by the shot of the ve=
ry early volks convertible... they have a VERY small rear window and the to=
ps folded down like a pram sitting on the back of the car.<br></div><div di=
r=3D'ltr'>&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&=
gt; <br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; While some modern cars have split glass=
 rear windows in the tops so the glass can fold into a smaller space.. glas=
s generally needs to remain flat and not be forced into a small space when =
folded.<br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; <br>=
</div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; You could proba=
bly make a Sunbeam with a zip-out window like some MX5's (miata) or some ot=
her more modern convertibles.. but size, folding mechanism and likelihood o=
f impact are main reasons they are not often used.<br></div><div dir=3D'ltr=
'>&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; <br>=
</div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt;&nbsp; <br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; On Wed, 2=
7 Feb 2019 at 17:12, Rob Hogan via Tigers &lt;<a ymailto=3D"mailto:tigers@a=
utox.team.net" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]<=
/a> &lt;mailto:<a ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:t=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br></div><di=
v dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; In a Facebook Jalopnik a=
rticle, author Jason Torchinsky expounds on "Why Was This OK" in reference =
to the application of substandard plastic rear windows in convertible tops =
of almost every auto manufacturer except VW.<br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt;=
 <br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; <br></div>=
<div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; As he explains: " No matter how amazing or expensive =
or well-built the car one of these plastic windows was stuck on, sooner or =
later the window would cloud up and get filthy and more and more opaque, un=
til eventually it?d yellow and crack" and "But there?s also questions for t=
he convertible-buying population of the time, specifically, why did anyone =
put up with this s***?"<br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; <br></div><div dir=
=3D'ltr'>&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&g=
t; Having recently replaced my own Tiger's convertible perfectly useable to=
p specifically because of a no longer transparent rear plastic window, I'd =
like to know if there is even the option of having the rear window replaced=
 with a new glass or plastic window.&nbsp; I would have gladly paid extra f=
or a top without a deficient plastic window.<br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt;=
 <br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; <br></div>=
<div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D=
'ltr'>&gt; <a href=3D"https://jalopnik.com/its-absurd-we-put-up-with-this-c=
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=3D'ltr'>Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2019 19:58:51 -0800<br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>Fr=
om: Jay Laifman &lt;<a ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" href=3D"mai=
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.com">[email-masked]</a><br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>Cc: <a ymailto=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">tigers@autox.=
team.net</a><br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Convertible To=
p's Plastic Window<br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>Message-ID: &lt;<a ymailto=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:3DDC5=
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charset=3D"utf-8"<br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'><br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>Go G=
T and you won?t have to worry about it.&nbsp; <br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'><b=
r></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>For most tops, by the time the plastic goes bad, p=
robably need a new top anyway. <br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'><br></div><div di=
r=3D'ltr'>FWIW on my 18 year old Boxster top, I have routinely&nbsp;  clean=
ed it with Plexus and it is still good.&nbsp; <br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'><b=
r></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; On Feb 27, 2019, at 11:22 AM, coolvt--- via T=
igers &lt;<a ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:tigers=
@autox.team.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><div dir=3D'=
ltr'>&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; If I remember right the MGB had a=
 window that zipped on the top and sides. Could be left down for a nice bre=
eze through the car.<br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D'l=
tr'>&gt; In a message dated 2/27/2019 2:03:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, <a =
ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
et">[email-masked]</a> writes:<br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; <br></=
div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; Doug Robbins (who designed the soft top for the T=
iger) says adding a zipper to the current design would lead to wrinkles in =
the top.&nbsp; The entire design would have to be changed in order to prope=
rly support a zipper soft top. <br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; <br></div><d=
iv dir=3D'ltr'>&gt;&nbsp; <br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; <br></div><div di=
r=3D'ltr'>&gt;&nbsp; <br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D'=
ltr'>&gt; From: Tigers [mailto:<a ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
am.net" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">tigers-bounces@autox.=
team.net</a>] On Behalf Of michael king via Tigers<br></div><div dir=3D'ltr=
'>&gt; Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 2:19 AM<br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'=
>&gt; To: Rob Hogan<br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; Cc: Tiger's List<br></di=
v><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; Subject: Re: [Tigers] Convertible Top's Plastic Win=
dow<br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt;&nbsp; <b=
r></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; A big reason =
that they all have plastic windows is quite obvious by the shot of the very=
 early volks convertible... they have a VERY small rear window and the tops=
 folded down like a pram sitting on the back of the car.<br></div><div dir=
=3D'ltr'>&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&g=
t; <br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; While some modern cars have split glass =
rear windows in the tops so the glass can fold into a smaller space.. glass=
 generally needs to remain flat and not be forced into a small space when f=
olded.<br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; <br><=
/div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; You could probab=
ly make a Sunbeam with a zip-out window like some MX5's (miata) or some oth=
er more modern convertibles.. but size, folding mechanism and likelihood of=
 impact are main reasons they are not often used.<br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'=
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eam.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt=
; <br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; In a Facebook Jalopnik article, author Ja=
son Torchinsky expounds on "Why Was This OK" in reference to the applicatio=
n of substandard plastic rear windows in convertible tops of almost every a=
uto manufacturer except VW.<br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; <br></div><div d=
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&gt; As he explains: " No matter how amazing or expensive or well-built the=
 car one of these plastic windows was stuck on, sooner or later the window =
would cloud up and get filthy and more and more opaque, until eventually it=
?d yellow and crack" and "But there?s also questions for the convertible-bu=
ying population of the time, specifically, why did anyone put up with this =
s***?"<br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D'ltr'>&gt; <br><=
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replaced my own Tiger's convertible perfectly useable top specifically beca=
use of a no longer transparent rear plastic window, I'd like to know if the=
re is even the option of having the rear window replaced with a new glass o=
r plastic window.&nbsp; I would have gladly paid extra for a top without a =
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From: Gary Winblad via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 07:17:09 -0800

A zip down rear window has been on my wish list too.  Ventilation and 
replaceability  would be much improved!
Plastic rear windows are ok if they are easily replaceable.
I have seen two Tigers in years past that had this on their custom tops, 
it IS possible.

I have also thought about:
Making the soft top removable like (some) MGBs.  No need to carry it if 
you have the hardtop on.
Making the top flip down from the drivers seat like most newer or 
smarter convertibles.  Adapting a Miata
top bow mechanism is what I am thinking...
Both mods would involve trashing the MKI metal doors that don't work 
with the roll bar anyway... leaving
the area open like a GT.
Gary

On 2/27/2019 10:30 PM, Warren Goodman via Tigers wrote:
>
> VWs verts had 3 different sizes of tear windows, but even the smallest 
> would not fit.
> Falcons have a zipped window that would be fine as a model to make 
> smaller for a Tiger.  Possibly a bi-fold Fox body  Mustang could be 
> cut down to fit in front or behind the raised metal ledge in the top 
> well. This idea has always been on my wish list for the Falcon and Tiger.
>
>
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>   1. Red Tiger in Annapolis (Larry E. Paulick)
>   2. Re: Convertible Top's Plastic Window (Jay Laifman)
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> From: "Larry E. Paulick" <[email-masked] 
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> I saw a red Tiger with Red HT in Annapolis on Tuesday getting on Route 
> 50 (going east) from Route 2 around 1-1:30 PM yesterday.  Can the 
> owner email me privately, or if you know this owner, let me have 
> contact info.
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> Thanks
>
> Larry Paulick
> > On Feb 27, 2019, at 2:22 PM, coolvt--- via Tigers 
> <[email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>> wrote:
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> > If I remember right the MGB had a window that zipped on the top and 
> sides. Could be left down for a nice breeze through the car.
> >
> > In a message dated 2/27/2019 2:03:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
> [email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]> writes:
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> > Doug Robbins (who designed the soft top for the Tiger) says adding a 
> zipper to the current design would lead to wrinkles in the top.  The 
> entire design would have to be changed in order to properly support a 
> zipper soft top.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Tigers [mailto:[email-masked] 
> <mailto:[email-masked]>] On Behalf Of michael king via 
> Tigers
> > A big reason that they all have plastic windows is quite obvious by 
> the shot of the very early volks convertible... they have a VERY small 
> rear window and the tops folded down like a pram sitting on the back 
> of the car.
> >
> >
> >
> > While some modern cars have split glass rear windows in the tops so 
> the glass can fold into a smaller space.. glass generally needs to 
> remain flat and not be forced into a small space when folded.
> >
> >
> >
> > You could probably make a Sunbeam with a zip-out window like some 
> MX5's (miata) or some other more modern convertibles.. but size, 
> folding mechanism and likelihood of impact are main reasons they are 
> not often used.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 27 Feb 2019 at 17:12, Rob Hogan via Tigers 
> <[email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]> 
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> > In a Facebook Jalopnik article, author Jason Torchinsky expounds on 
> "Why Was This OK" in reference to the application of substandard 
> plastic rear windows in convertible tops of almost every auto 
> manufacturer except VW.
> >
> >
> >
> > As he explains: " No matter how amazing or expensive or well-built 
> the car one of these plastic windows was stuck on, sooner or later the 
> window would cloud up and get filthy and more and more opaque, until 
> eventually it?d yellow and crack" and "But there?s also questions for 
> the convertible-buying population of the time, specifically, why did 
> anyone put up with this s***?"
> >
> >
> >
> > Having recently replaced my own Tiger's convertible perfectly 
> useable top specifically because of a no longer transparent rear 
> plastic window, I'd like to know if there is even the option of having 
> the rear window replaced with a new glass or plastic window.  I would 
> have gladly paid extra for a top without a deficient plastic window.
> >
> >
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> Go GT and you won?t have to worry about it.
>
> For most tops, by the time the plastic goes bad, probably need a new 
> top anyway.
>
> FWIW on my 18 year old Boxster top, I have routinely  cleaned it with 
> Plexus and it is still good.
>
> > On Feb 27, 2019, at 11:22 AM, coolvt--- via Tigers 
> <[email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>> wrote:
> >
> > If I remember right the MGB had a window that zipped on the top and 
> sides. Could be left down for a nice breeze through the car.
> >
> > In a message dated 2/27/2019 2:03:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
> [email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]> writes:
> >
> > Doug Robbins (who designed the soft top for the Tiger) says adding a 
> zipper to the current design would lead to wrinkles in the top.  The 
> entire design would have to be changed in order to properly support a 
> zipper soft top.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Tigers [mailto:[email-masked] 
> <mailto:[email-masked]>] On Behalf Of michael king via 
> Tigers
> > A big reason that they all have plastic windows is quite obvious by 
> the shot of the very early volks convertible... they have a VERY small 
> rear window and the tops folded down like a pram sitting on the back 
> of the car.
> >
> >
> >
> > While some modern cars have split glass rear windows in the tops so 
> the glass can fold into a smaller space.. glass generally needs to 
> remain flat and not be forced into a small space when folded.
> >
> >
> >
> > You could probably make a Sunbeam with a zip-out window like some 
> MX5's (miata) or some other more modern convertibles.. but size, 
> folding mechanism and likelihood of impact are main reasons they are 
> not often used.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 27 Feb 2019 at 17:12, Rob Hogan via Tigers 
> <[email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>> wrote:
> >
> > In a Facebook Jalopnik article, author Jason Torchinsky expounds on 
> "Why Was This OK" in reference to the application of substandard 
> plastic rear windows in convertible tops of almost every auto 
> manufacturer except VW.
> >
> >
> >
> > As he explains: " No matter how amazing or expensive or well-built 
> the car one of these plastic windows was stuck on, sooner or later the 
> window would cloud up and get filthy and more and more opaque, until 
> eventually it?d yellow and crack" and "But there?s also questions for 
> the convertible-buying population of the time, specifically, why did 
> anyone put up with this s***?"
> >
> >
> >
> > Having recently replaced my own Tiger's convertible perfectly 
> useable top specifically because of a no longer transparent rear 
> plastic window, I'd like to know if there is even the option of having 
> the rear window replaced with a new glass or plastic window.  I would 
> have gladly paid extra for a top without a deficient plastic window.
> >
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