Subject: Re: [Tigers] Convertible Top's Plastic Window

From: coolvt--- via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2019 19:22:02 +0000 (UTC)

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If I remember right the MGB had a window that zipped on the top and sides. =
Could be left down for a nice breeze through the car.
In a message dated 2/27/2019 2:03:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, tigers@autox=
.team.net writes:

Doug Robbins (who designed the soft top for the Tiger) says adding a zipper=
 to the current design would lead to wrinkles in the top.=C2=A0 The entire =
design would have to be changed in order to properly support a zipper soft =
top.=C2=A0=20

 =C2=A0

 =C2=A0

From: Tigers [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of michael ki=
ng via Tigers
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 2:19 AM
To: Rob Hogan
Cc: Tiger's List
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Convertible Top's Plastic Window

=C2=A0

A big reason that they all have plastic windows is quite obvious by the sho=
t of the very early volks convertible... they have a VERY small rear window=
 and the tops folded down like a pram sitting on the back of the car.

While some modern cars have split glass rear windows in the tops so the gla=
ss can fold into a smaller space.. glass generally needs to remain flat and=
 not be forced into a small space when folded.

You could probably make a Sunbeam with a zip-out window like some MX5's (mi=
ata) or some other more modern convertibles.. but size, folding mechanism a=
nd likelihood of impact are main reasons they are not often used.

=C2=A0

On Wed, 27 Feb 2019 at 17:12, Rob Hogan via Tigers <[email-masked]> =
wrote:

In a Facebook Jalopnik article, author Jason Torchinsky expounds on "Why Wa=
s This OK" in reference to the application of substandard plastic rear wind=
ows in convertible tops of almost every auto manufacturer except VW.

As he explains: " No matter how amazing or expensive or well-built the car =
one of these plastic windows was stuck on, sooner or later the window would=
 cloud up and get filthy and more and more opaque, until eventually it=E2=
=80=99d yellow and crack" and "But there=E2=80=99s also questions for the c=
onvertible-buying population of the time, specifically, why did anyone put =
up with this s***?"

Having recently replaced my own Tiger's convertible perfectly useable top s=
pecifically because of a no longer transparent rear plastic window, I'd lik=
e to know if there is even the option of having the rear window replaced wi=
th a new glass or plastic window.=C2=A0 I would have gladly paid extra for =
a top without a deficient plastic window.

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9894?utm_campaign=3Dsocialflow_jalopnik_facebook&utm_source=3Djalopnik_face=
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<div><span style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 1=
2pt; color: #000000;">If I remember right the MGB had a window that zipped =
on the top and sides. Could be left down for a nice breeze through the car.=
</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 1=
2pt; color: #000000;"><br></span></div>
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In a message dated 2/27/2019 2:03:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, tigers@autox=
.team.net writes:
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<p class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt;">Doug=
 Robbins (who designed the soft top for the Tiger) says adding a zipper to =
the current design would lead to wrinkles in the top.&nbsp; The entire desi=
gn would have to be changed in order to properly support a zipper soft top.=
&nbsp; </span></p>
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sp;</span></p>
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t;">From:</span></strong><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt;"> Tigers [mailto=
:[email-masked]] <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>michael king =
via Tigers<br clear=3D"none"><strong>Sent:</strong> Wednesday, February 27,=
 2019 2:19 AM<br clear=3D"none"><strong>To:</strong> Rob Hogan<br clear=3D"=
none"><strong>Cc:</strong> Tiger's List<br clear=3D"none"><strong>Subject:<=
/strong> Re: [Tigers] Convertible Top's Plastic Window</span></p>
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<p class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
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<p class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal">A big reason that they all have plastic=
 windows is quite obvious by the shot of the very early volks convertible..=
. they have a VERY small rear window and the tops folded down like a pram s=
itting on the back of the car.</p>
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<p class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal"><br></p>
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<p class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal">While some modern cars have split glass=
 rear windows in the tops so the glass can fold into a smaller space.. glas=
s generally needs to remain flat and not be forced into a small space when =
folded.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal"><br></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal">You could probably make a Sunbeam with =
a zip-out window like some MX5's (miata) or some other more modern converti=
bles.. but size, folding mechanism and likelihood of impact are main reason=
s they are not often used.</p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
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<p class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal">On Wed, 27 Feb 2019 at 17:12, Rob Hogan=
 via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wr=
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<p class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal">In a Facebook Jalopnik article, author =
Jason Torchinsky expounds on "Why Was This OK" in reference to the applicat=
ion of substandard plastic rear windows in convertible tops of almost every=
 auto manufacturer except VW.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal"><br></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal">As he explains: " No matter how amazing=
 or expensive or well-built the car one of these plastic windows was stuck =
on, sooner or later the window would cloud up and get filthy and more and m=
ore opaque, until eventually it&rsquo;d yellow and crack" and "But there&rs=
quo;s also questions for the convertible-buying population of the time, spe=
cifically, why did anyone put up with this s***?"</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal"><br></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal">Having recently replaced my own Tiger's=
 convertible perfectly useable top specifically because of a no longer tran=
sparent rear plastic window, I'd like to know if there is even the option o=
f having the rear window replaced with a new glass or plastic window.&nbsp;=
 I would have gladly paid extra for a top without a deficient plastic windo=
w.</p>
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Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2019 18:45:58 -0500

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I saw a red Tiger with Red HT in Annapolis on Tuesday getting on Route =
50 (going east) from Route 2 around 1-1:30 PM yesterday.  Can the owner =
email me privately, or if you know this owner, let me have contact info.

Thanks

Larry Paulick
1965 Red Tiger w/ Red HT also

> On Feb 27, 2019, at 2:22 PM, coolvt--- via Tigers =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> If I remember right the MGB had a window that zipped on the top and =
sides. Could be left down for a nice breeze through the car.
>=20
> In a message dated 2/27/2019 2:03:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, =
[email-masked] writes:
>=20
> Doug Robbins (who designed the soft top for the Tiger) says adding a =
zipper to the current design would lead to wrinkles in the top.  The =
entire design would have to be changed in order to properly support a =
zipper soft top.=20
>=20
> =20
> =20
> From: Tigers [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of =
michael king via Tigers
>=20
> =20
> A big reason that they all have plastic windows is quite obvious by =
the shot of the very early volks convertible... they have a VERY small =
rear window and the tops folded down like a pram sitting on the back of =
the car.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> While some modern cars have split glass rear windows in the tops so =
the glass can fold into a smaller space.. glass generally needs to =
remain flat and not be forced into a small space when folded.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> You could probably make a Sunbeam with a zip-out window like some =
MX5's (miata) or some other more modern convertibles.. but size, folding =
mechanism and likelihood of impact are main reasons they are not often =
used.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> =20
> On Wed, 27 Feb 2019 at 17:12, Rob Hogan via Tigers =
>=20
> In a Facebook Jalopnik article, author Jason Torchinsky expounds on =
"Why Was This OK" in reference to the application of substandard plastic =
rear windows in convertible tops of almost every auto manufacturer =
except VW.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> As he explains: " No matter how amazing or expensive or well-built the =
car one of these plastic windows was stuck on, sooner or later the =
window would cloud up and get filthy and more and more opaque, until =
eventually it=E2=80=99d yellow and crack" and "But there=E2=80=99s also =
questions for the convertible-buying population of the time, =
specifically, why did anyone put up with this s***?"
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Having recently replaced my own Tiger's convertible perfectly useable =
top specifically because of a no longer transparent rear plastic window, =
I'd like to know if there is even the option of having the rear window =
replaced with a new glass or plastic window.  I would have gladly paid =
extra for a top without a deficient plastic window.
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><span=
 style=3D"font-family: Times-Roman;" class=3D"">I saw a red Tiger with =
Red HT in Annapolis on Tuesday getting on Route 50 (going east) from =
Route 2 around 1-1:30 PM yesterday. &nbsp;Can the owner email me =
privately, or if you know this owner, let me have contact =
info.</span><div class=3D"" style=3D"font-family: Times-Roman;"><br =
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Times-Roman;">Thanks</div><div class=3D"" style=3D"font-family: =
Times-Roman;"><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"" style=3D"font-family: =
Times-Roman;">Larry Paulick</div><div class=3D"" style=3D"font-family: =
Times-Roman;">1965 Red Tiger w/ Red HT also</div><div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Feb =
27, 2019, at 2:22 PM, coolvt--- via Tigers &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
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helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">
<div class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, =
sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=3D"">If I remember right the MGB had =
a window that zipped on the top and sides. Could be left down for a nice =
breeze through the car.</span></div>
<div class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, =
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In a message dated 2/27/2019 2:03:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>=
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blue 2px solid;" class=3D"">
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<div class=3D"">
<div class=3D"yiv7546316654WordSection1"><p =
class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt;" =
class=3D"">Doug Robbins (who designed the soft top for the Tiger) says =
adding a zipper to the current design would lead to wrinkles in the =
top.&nbsp; The entire design would have to be changed in order to =
properly support a zipper soft top.&nbsp; </span></p><div class=3D""><span=
 style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt;" class=3D""> &nbsp;</span><br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt;" class=3D""> &nbsp;</span><br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
<div style=3D"border: none; border-top: solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt; padding: =
3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;" class=3D""><p class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal"><strong=
 class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt;" =
class=3D"">From:</span></strong><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt;" =
class=3D""> Tigers [<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">mailto:[email-masked]</a>] <strong class=3D"">On=
 Behalf Of </strong>michael king via Tigers<br clear=3D"none" =
class=3D""><strong class=3D"">Sent:</strong> Wednesday, February 27, =
2019 2:19 AM<br clear=3D"none" class=3D""><strong class=3D"">To:</strong> =
Rob Hogan<br clear=3D"none" class=3D""><strong class=3D"">Cc:</strong> =
Tiger's List<br clear=3D"none" class=3D""><strong =
class=3D"">Subject:</strong> Re: [Tigers] Convertible Top's Plastic =
Window</span></p>
</div><div class=3D"">&nbsp;<br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
<div class=3D""><p class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal">A big reason that =
they all have plastic windows is quite obvious by the shot of the very =
early volks convertible... they have a VERY small rear window and the =
tops folded down like a pram sitting on the back of the car.</p>
<div class=3D""><p class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal"><br class=3D""></p>
</div>
<div class=3D""><p class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal">While some modern =
cars have split glass rear windows in the tops so the glass can fold =
into a smaller space.. glass generally needs to remain flat and not be =
forced into a small space when folded.</p>
</div>
<div class=3D""><p class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal"><br class=3D""></p>
</div>
<div class=3D""><p class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal">You could probably =
make a Sunbeam with a zip-out window like some MX5's (miata) or some =
other more modern convertibles.. but size, folding mechanism and =
likelihood of impact are main reasons they are not often used.</p>
</div>
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<div class=3D""><p class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal">On Wed, 27 Feb 2019 =
at 17:12, Rob Hogan via Tigers &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener =
noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
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<div class=3D"">
<div class=3D""><p class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal">In a Facebook =
Jalopnik article, author Jason Torchinsky expounds on "Why Was This OK" =
in reference to the application of substandard plastic rear windows in =
convertible tops of almost every auto manufacturer except VW.</p>
</div>
<div class=3D""><p class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal"><br class=3D""></p>
</div>
<div class=3D""><p class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal">As he explains: " No =
matter how amazing or expensive or well-built the car one of these =
plastic windows was stuck on, sooner or later the window would cloud up =
and get filthy and more and more opaque, until eventually it=E2=80=99d =
yellow and crack" and "But there=E2=80=99s also questions for the =
convertible-buying population of the time, specifically, why did anyone =
put up with this s***?"</p>
</div>
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</div>
<div class=3D""><p class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal">Having recently =
replaced my own Tiger's convertible perfectly useable top specifically =
because of a no longer transparent rear plastic window, I'd like to know =
if there is even the option of having the rear window replaced with a =
new glass or plastic window.&nbsp; I would have gladly paid extra for a =
top without a deficient plastic window.</p>
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From: Jay Laifman via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2019 19:58:51 -0800

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Go GT and you won=E2=80=99t have to worry about it. =20

For most tops, by the time the plastic goes bad, probably need a new top any=
way.=20

FWIW on my 18 year old Boxster top, I have routinely   cleaned it with Plexu=
s and it is still good. =20

> On Feb 27, 2019, at 11:22 AM, coolvt--- via Tigers <[email-masked]>=
 wrote:
>=20
> If I remember right the MGB had a window that zipped on the top and sides.=
>=20
> In a message dated 2/27/2019 2:03:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, tigers@auto=
x.team.net writes:
>=20
> Doug Robbins (who designed the soft top for the Tiger) says adding a zippe=
r to the current design would lead to wrinkles in the top.  The entire desig=
n would have to be changed in order to properly support a zipper soft top.=20=

>=20
> =20
>=20
> =20
>=20
> From: Tigers [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of michael k=
ing via Tigers
> A big reason that they all have plastic windows is quite obvious by the sh=
ot of the very early volks convertible... they have a VERY small rear window=
 and the tops folded down like a pram sitting on the back of the car.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> While some modern cars have split glass rear windows in the tops so the gl=
ass can fold into a smaller space.. glass generally needs to remain flat and=
 not be forced into a small space when folded.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> You could probably make a Sunbeam with a zip-out window like some MX5's (m=
iata) or some other more modern convertibles.. but size, folding mechanism a=
nd likelihood of impact are main reasons they are not often used.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> =20
>=20
> On Wed, 27 Feb 2019 at 17:12, Rob Hogan via Tigers <[email-masked]>=
 wrote:
>=20
> In a Facebook Jalopnik article, author Jason Torchinsky expounds on "Why W=
as This OK" in reference to the application of substandard plastic rear wind=
ows in convertible tops of almost every auto manufacturer except VW.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> As he explains: " No matter how amazing or expensive or well-built the car=
 one of these plastic windows was stuck on, sooner or later the window would=
 cloud up and get filthy and more and more opaque, until eventually it=E2=80=
=99d yellow and crack" and "But there=E2=80=99s also questions for the conve=
rtible-buying population of the time, specifically, why did anyone put up wi=
th this s***?"
> Having recently replaced my own Tiger's convertible perfectly useable top s=
pecifically because of a no longer transparent rear plastic window, I'd like=
 to know if there is even the option of having the rear window replaced with=
 a new glass or plastic window.  I would have gladly paid extra for a top wi=
thout a deficient plastic window.
> https://jalopnik.com/its-absurd-we-put-up-with-this-crap-for-so-long-18329=
09894?utm_campaign=3Dsocialflow_jalopnik_facebook&utm_source=3Djalopnik_face=
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Go G=
T and you won=E2=80=99t have to worry about it. &nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">For most tops, by the time the plastic goes bad,=
 probably need a new top anyway.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">FWIW on my 18 year old Boxster top, I have routinely &nbsp; clean=
ed it with Plexus and it is still good. &nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On =
Feb 27, 2019, at 11:22 AM, coolvt--- via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tigers=
@autox.team.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquo=
te type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>
<div class=3D"userEdit mceEditable" style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, s=
ans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000;">
<div><span style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12=
pt; color: #000000;">If I remember right the MGB had a window that zipped on=
 the top and sides. Could be left down for a nice breeze through the car.</s=
pan></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12=
pt; color: #000000;"><br></span></div>
</div>
In a message dated 2/27/2019 2:03:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, <a href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> writes:
<div><br></div>
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px solid;">
<div id=3D"yiv7546316654">
<div>
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<p class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt;">Doug R=
obbins (who designed the soft top for the Tiger) says adding a zipper to the=
 current design would lead to wrinkles in the top.&nbsp; The entire design w=
ould have to be changed in order to properly support a zipper soft top.&nbsp=
; </span></p>
<p class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt;"> &nbs=
p;</span></p>
<p class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt;"> &nbs=
p;</span></p>
<div style=3D"border: none; border-top: solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt; padding: 3.0pt 0=
in 0in 0in;">
<p class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal"><strong><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt=
;">From:</span></strong><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt;"> Tigers [<a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:[email-masked]<=
/a>] <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>michael king via Tigers<br clear=3D"none"=
><strong>Sent:</strong> Wednesday, February 27, 2019 2:19 AM<br clear=3D"non=
e"><strong>To:</strong> Rob Hogan<br clear=3D"none"><strong>Cc:</strong> Tig=
er's List<br clear=3D"none"><strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [Tigers] Convertib=
le Top's Plastic Window</span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal">A big reason that they all have plastic w=
indows is quite obvious by the shot of the very early volks convertible... t=
hey have a VERY small rear window and the tops folded down like a pram sitti=
ng on the back of the car.</p>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal"><br></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal">While some modern cars have split glass r=
ear windows in the tops so the glass can fold into a smaller space.. glass g=
enerally needs to remain flat and not be forced into a small space when fold=
ed.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal"><br></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal">You could probably make a Sunbeam with a=
 zip-out window like some MX5's (miata) or some other more modern convertibl=
es.. but size, folding mechanism and likelihood of impact are main reasons t=
hey are not often used.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal"><br></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal">On Wed, 27 Feb 2019 at 17:12, Rob Hogan v=
ia Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:=
</p>
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: 0in 0in 0in 6.0pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal">In a Facebook Jalopnik article, author J=
ason Torchinsky expounds on "Why Was This OK" in reference to the applicatio=
n of substandard plastic rear windows in convertible tops of almost every au=
to manufacturer except VW.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal"><br></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal">As he explains: " No matter how amazing o=
r expensive or well-built the car one of these plastic windows was stuck on,=
 sooner or later the window would cloud up and get filthy and more and more o=
paque, until eventually it=E2=80=99d yellow and crack" and "But there=E2=80=99=
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rent rear plastic window, I'd like to know if there is even the option of ha=
ving the rear window replaced with a new glass or plastic window.&nbsp; I wo=
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