Subject: [Tigers] DW Torque arm with or without Panhard rod?

From: daniel doornbos via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2016 00:23:45 +0000

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From: Stephen Waybright via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2016 02:50:15 +0000 (UTC)

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I wouldn't think the panhard has any impact on straight line acceleration a=
s it's function is to locate the axle side to side. In cornering, it should=
 prevent lateral shock or flexing, as well as linkage binding you might exp=
erience if the leaf springs are providing lateral location. The torque will=
 help acceleration by keeping axle wind up under control under power.
My torque arm is a custom setup for the Tiger by Griggs Racing, but I'd pro=
bably go with Dan's kit if I were to do another Tiger. The Griggs suspensio=
n also has coil overs in place of the leafs, and a Watts link to replace th=
e panhard rod, so I've never thought about Panhard bar mods. Can the stock =
leaf spring mounts prevent lateral motion and support sufficient lateral lo=
ads in hard cornering? I think I'd rather have a panhard bar (or a Watts li=
nk) and let the springs only provide longitudinal location.
Best regards,
Stephen Waybright

      From: daniel doornbos via Tigers <[email-masked]>
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 Subject: [Tigers] DW Torque arm with or without rod?
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Who out there has=C2=A0done direct back to back driving comparisions with t=
he panhard rod installed, removed or changing the anchor point from Passeng=
er to Driver side?? =C2=A0If so what were the conclusions? =C2=A0How did it=
 change for heavy accelration and braking for both straightline and corners=
?
Additional info to go with your observation?- Parhard rod chaise mount on d=
river side=C2=A0(MKII stock) or passenger side (MKI config)?- Lowered Panha=
rd rod mount for better roll center?- Other suspension mods=C2=A0such as=C2=
=A0DW torque arm,=C2=A0stiffer rear springs ?- High HP engine?
dan

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sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1466302833783_6070"=
 dir=3D"ltr"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1466302833783_6646">I wouldn't t=
hink the panhard has any impact on straight line acceleration as it's funct=
ion is to locate the axle side to side. In cornering, it should prevent lat=
eral shock or flexing, as well as linkage binding you might experience if t=
he leaf springs are providing lateral location. The torque will help accele=
ration by keeping axle wind up under control under power.</span></div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1466302833783_6070"><span><br></span></div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1466302833783_6070"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_146=
6302833783_6071">My torque arm is a custom setup for the Tiger by Griggs Ra=
cing, but I'd probably go with Dan's kit if I were to do another Tiger. The=
 Griggs suspension also has coil overs in place of the leafs, and a Watts l=
ink to replace the panhard rod, so I've never thought about Panhard bar mod=
s. Can the stock leaf spring mounts prevent lateral motion and support suff=
icient lateral loads in hard cornering? I think I'd rather have a panhard b=
ar (or a Watts link) and let the springs only provide longitudinal location=
.</span></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1466302833783_6072"><div style=
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 1.22;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1466302833783_6077">Best regards,</span><br=
 id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1466302833783_6078">Stephen Waybright<br id=3D"yui=
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weight:bold;">From:</span></b> daniel doornbos via Tigers &lt;tigers@autox.=
team.net&gt;<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> "tige=
[email-masked]" &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br> <b><span style=3D"fon=
t-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:23 PM<br> <b><s=
pan style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [Tigers] DW Torque arm=
 with or without rod?<br> </font> </div> <div class=3D"y_msg_container" id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1466302833783_6602"><br><div id=3D"yiv9484834677">

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<div style=3D"font-size:100%;text-align:left;color:#000000;" id=3D"yui_3_16=
_0_ym19_1_1466302833783_6631"><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri, Arial, He=
lvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);" id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1466302833783_6908">Who out there has&nbsp;done direc=
t back to back driving comparisions with the panhard
 rod </span><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-seri=
f;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_14663028337=
83_6910">installed, removed or changing the anchor point from Passenger to =
Driver side?</span><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sa=
ns-serif;font-size:12pt;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);" id=3D"yui_3_1=
6_0_ym19_1_1466302833783_6909">?
 &nbsp;If so what were the conclusions? &nbsp;How did it change for heavy a=
ccelration and braking for both straightline and corners?</span></div>
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:#000000;background-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sa=
ns-serif;">
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1466302833783_6604"><br>
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<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1466302833783_6605">Additional info to go with=
 your observation?</div>
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1466302833783_6911">- Parhard rod chaise mount=
 on driver side&nbsp;(MKII stock) or passenger side (MKI config)?</div>
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1466302833783_6606">- Lowered Panhard rod moun=
t for better roll center?</div>
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1466302833783_6607">- Other suspension mods&nb=
sp;such as&nbsp;DW torque arm,&nbsp;stiffer rear springs ?</div>
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1466302833783_6608">- High HP engine?</div>
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1466302833783_6609"><br>
</div>
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1466302833783_6610"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
2pt;">dan</span><br>
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<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1466302833783_6612">(changing my subscription =
from my work to private e-mail account)</div>
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