Subject: [Tigers] Starting on My tiger after 20yrs - Rear end

From: "Doornbos, Daniel via Tigers" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 17:56:32 +0000

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Well if the Tiger list wants activity I'm ready to trigger a discussion.

My Tiger shell has sat garaged for 20yrs and I've finally started this week=
.  I've had prior starts as well but this time it's real as the car is on j=
ack stands and the tires, hood, trunk, windshield removed.  I've saved 100'=
s of e-mails to word docs and have a pretty good idea of where and how I am=
 going to do this.  I'm starting at the back of the car and working forward=
, mechanical systems only let's get this car on the road!  I've got one of =
the bolt in FE from Mike H and get to do what I want for spindle and bolt p=
attern up front so the question is what to do with the rear end?  Lots of i=
nfo available on disk brakes and don't think that will be too tricky.  With=
 a 5 spd conversion planned I'll put in a new posi unit with 2.73 gears.   =
 I also have a Dan W torque arm set up to install and will be removing the =
panhard rod and traction masters.

In my notes though I see comments about weakness of the two piece axle.  Sa=
ndy G had a custom rear end made and posted that info here http://www.gtspa=
rkplugs.com/sunbeam_tiger_axle_swap.html .  I've got another e-mail saved t=
hat sums it up best from "bt" about,  "Doane welded the ends off an AH 3000=
 onto a Dana 23 housing from a Studebaker. The result was a full floating a=
xle with a one piece axle. I had a pair of axles made for it over 12 years =
ago and those are still running great with many thousands of high G racing =
miles. The advantage of the full floating design is that if the axle were t=
o fail the wheel would not separate from the car. The LAT 43 piece looks li=
ke it would bolt onto the Dana 44 Tiger housing but take the outer pieces (=
bearings, seals) from the AH.

The stock Tiger rear end axle design has "bugged" racers since inception. L=
ast Saturday Ted Sutton stopped by the Tiger pits at Willow. (For those not=
 familiar with Ted, he was the crew chief on the Shelby American race Tiger=
. He also built the first 427 Cobra.) His first question was, "Are these Ti=
gers still using that silly two piece axle design with a key way?" We told =
him most are. He just shook his head."

I'm far from an expert on rear end design and options.  From what I read an=
d my plans to build a high hp street car, as opposed to a full on race car,=
 should I do something with the stock rear end?  Is this as simple as turni=
ng up at the local 4x4 shop and at a minimum getting a single piece axel ma=
de?  I don't want to change housing because I have the Dan Walter set up re=
ady to install on the Dana 44.  Or is the stock axel not such a worry?

Thanks
dan

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<div>Well if the Tiger list wants activity I&#8217;m ready to trigger a dis=
cussion.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>My Tiger shell has sat garaged for 20yrs and I&#8217;ve finally starte=
d this week.&nbsp; I&#8217;ve had prior starts as well but this time it&#82=
17;s real as the car is on jack stands and the tires, hood, trunk, windshie=
ld removed.&nbsp; I&#8217;ve saved 100&#8217;s of e-mails to word docs and
have a pretty good idea of where and how I am going to do this.&nbsp; I&#82=
17;m starting at the back of the car and working forward, mechanical system=
s only let&#8217;s get this car on the road!&nbsp; I&#8217;ve got one of th=
e bolt in FE from Mike H and get to do what I want for spindle
and bolt pattern up front so the question is what to do with the rear end?&=
nbsp; Lots of info available on disk brakes and don&#8217;t think that will=
 be too tricky.&nbsp; With a 5 spd conversion planned I&#8217;ll put in a n=
ew posi unit with 2.73 gears.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I also have a Dan W torque
arm set up to install and will be removing the panhard rod and traction mas=
ters.</div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri">&nbsp;</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;">In my notes though =
I see comments about weakness of the two piece axle.&nbsp; Sandy G had a cu=
stom rear end made and posted that info here <a href=3D"http://www.gtsparkp=
lugs.com/sunbeam_tiger_axle_swap.html"><font color=3D"#0563C1"><u>http://ww=
w.gtsparkplugs.com/sunbeam_tiger_axle_swap.html</u></font></a>
.&nbsp; I&#8217;ve got another e-mail saved that sums it up best from &#822=
0;bt&#8221; about,  &#8220;<font face=3D"Consolas">Doane welded the ends of=
f an AH 3000 onto a Dana 23 housing from a Studebaker. The result was a ful=
l floating axle with a one piece axle. I had a pair of axles made
for it over 12 years ago and those are still running great with many thousa=
nds of high G racing miles. The advantage of the full floating design is th=
at if the axle were to fail the wheel would not separate from the car. The =
LAT 43 piece looks like it would
bolt onto the Dana 44 Tiger housing but take the outer pieces (bearings, se=
als) from the AH.</font></span></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Consolas" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;">&=
nbsp;</span></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Consolas" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;">T=
he stock Tiger rear end axle design has &quot;bugged&quot; racers since inc=
eption. Last Saturday Ted Sutton stopped by the Tiger pits at Willow. (For =
those not familiar with Ted, he was the crew chief
on the Shelby American race Tiger. He also built the first 427 Cobra.) His =
first question was, &quot;Are these Tigers still using that silly two piece=
 axle design with a key way?&quot; We told him most are. He just shook his =
head.&#8221;</span></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri">&nbsp;</font></div>
<div>I&#8217;m far from an expert on rear end design and options.&nbsp; Fro=
m what I read and my plans to build a high hp street car, as opposed to a f=
ull on race car, should I do something with the stock rear end?&nbsp; Is th=
is as simple as turning up at the local 4x4 shop
and at a minimum getting a single piece axel made?&nbsp; I don&#8217;t want=
 to change housing because I have the Dan Walter set up ready to install on=
 the Dana 44.&nbsp; Or is the stock axel not such a worry?</div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri">&nbsp;</font></div>
<div>Thanks</div>
<div>dan</div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri">&nbsp;</font></div>
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