Subject: [Tigers] Shelby as Sunbeam Tiger manufacturer?

From: J Clark via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 07:13:57 +0000 (UTC)

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=C2=A0Was reading the Tiger Wikipedia and the reference (citing the G. Robs=
on book, "Sunbeam Alpine and Tiger- The complete Story")=20
to Carroll Shelby's initial desire to build the car. Though I do own a copy=
 of this book I must admit that this is news to me.=20
Upon reading what Robson wrote, it still left me with a couple of questions=
. Do any of you folks know what Shelby, according to Robson, had in mind wh=
en he proposed "radical modification of the Alpine's structure and chassis"=
? One wonders how things may have played out in the big scheme of things if=
 Rootes had given Shelby the gig, rather than Jensen.

Graham Robson also makes reference to some of the prototypes being built wi=
th SIII body shells. I believe this is hogwash,leading me to question the v=
eracity of the rest of the book's contents.
One more thing. Is my punctuation in this text coming through legibly?=20

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163" dir=3D"ltr">Was reading the Tiger Wikipedia and the reference (citing =
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iv><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4347" dir=3D"ltr">to Carroll =
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ll left me with a couple of questions. Do any of you folks know what Shelby=
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"ltr"> Robson, had in mind when he proposed "radical modification of the Al=
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g scheme of things if Rootes had given Shelby the gig, rather than Jensen.<=
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bson also makes reference to some of the prototypes being built with SIII b=
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Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 13:29:33 -0700

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Hi Jon:

Punctuation seems okay.

Wasn't the Ken Miles prototype a pointy-fin (Series III)?

Best Regards

David Sosna

On 6/10/2016 12:13 AM, J Clark via Tigers wrote:
> Was reading the Tiger Wikipedia and the reference (citing the G. 
> Robson book, "Sunbeam Alpine and Tiger- The complete Story")
> to Carroll Shelby's initial desire to build the car. Though I do own a 
> copy of this book I must admit that this is news to me.
> Upon reading what Robson wrote, it still left me with a couple of 
> questions. Do any of you folks know what Shelby, according to
> Robson, had in mind when he proposed "radical modification of the 
> Alpine's structure and chassis"? One wonders how things may
> have played out in the big scheme of things if Rootes had given Shelby 
> the gig, rather than Jensen.
>
> Graham Robson also makes reference to some of the prototypes being 
> built with SIII body shells. I believe this is hogwash,
> leading me to question the veracity of the rest of the book's contents.
>
> One more thing. Is my punctuation in this text coming through legibly?
>
> Regards,
>    Jon
>
>
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    <p>Hi Jon:</p>
    <p>Punctuation seems okay.<br>
    </p>
    <p>Wasn't the Ken Miles prototype a pointy-fin (Series III)?</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>Best Regards</p>
    <p>David Sosna<br>
    </p>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/10/2016 12:13 AM, J Clark via
      Tigers wrote:<br>
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      cite="mid:[email-masked]"
      type="cite">
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        <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4139"> </div>
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          <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4163" dir="ltr">Was
            reading the Tiger Wikipedia and the reference (citing the G.
            Robson book, "Sunbeam Alpine and Tiger- The complete Story")
            <br>
          </div>
          <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4347" dir="ltr">to
            Carroll Shelby's initial desire to build the car. Though I
            do own a copy of this book I must admit that this is news to
            me. <br>
          </div>
          <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4519" dir="ltr">Upon
            reading what Robson wrote, it still left me with a couple of
            questions. Do any of you folks know what Shelby, according
            to</div>
          <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4674" dir="ltr">
            Robson, had in mind when he proposed "radical modification
            of the Alpine's structure and chassis"? One wonders how
            things may</div>
          <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4726" dir="ltr"> have
            played out in the big scheme of things if Rootes had given
            Shelby the gig, rather than Jensen.<br>
          </div>
          <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4626" dir="ltr"><br>
          </div>
          <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4798" dir="ltr">Graham
            Robson also makes reference to some of the prototypes being
            built with SIII body shells. I believe this is hogwash,</div>
          <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4919" dir="ltr">leading
            me to question the veracity of the rest of the book's
            contents.</div>
          <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_5077" dir="ltr"><br>
          </div>
          <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_5076" dir="ltr">One
            more thing. Is my punctuation in this text coming through
            legibly? <br>
          </div>
          <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_5145" dir="ltr"><br>
          </div>
          <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_5146" dir="ltr">                                                                                 
            Regards,</div>
          <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_5154" dir="ltr">                                                                                 
               Jon<br>
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According to TBON both the Shelby and Miles Alpine V-8s were Series II.  =
The Jensen Project Prototype was a Series III.

=20

G. Robson Book =E2=80=93 my guess is Shelby wanted to change the =
steering rack position and the front suspension geometry.  I also =
believe the next concern was the rear axle and suspension.  These seem =
to have been his main concerns and there were probably others.  Funny, =
the same ones we have today.  Maybe a look at the race Tigers would give =
more hints about the direction he envisioned.  Remember $10,000 for the =
Shelby Alpine V-8 only goes so far and Rootes was not interested in =
making major, read that expensive changes to the Alpine platform.

=20

Ron Fraser

=20

From: Tigers [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Teepen, =
Jere via Tigers
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 6:31 PM
To: J Clark <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby as Sunbeam Tiger manufacturer?

=20

I have no knowledge about the changes Shelby may have made if production =
had gone that way, but from what I recall, the first V-8 Alpines were =
Series 2 (Ken Miles) and 3 (Shelby).=20

=20

I am now curious too, has there been any information as to what Shelby =
may have proposed?

=20

From: Tigers [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of J Clark =
via Tigers
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 12:14 AM
Subject: [Tigers] Shelby as Sunbeam Tiger manufacturer?

=20

=20

Was reading the Tiger Wikipedia and the reference (citing the G. Robson =
book, "Sunbeam Alpine and Tiger- The complete Story")=20

to Carroll Shelby's initial desire to build the car. Though I do own a =
copy of this book I must admit that this is news to me.=20

Upon reading what Robson wrote, it still left me with a couple of =
questions. Do any of you folks know what Shelby, according to

Robson, had in mind when he proposed "radical modification of the =
Alpine's structure and chassis"? One wonders how things may

have played out in the big scheme of things if Rootes had given Shelby =
the gig, rather than Jensen.

=20

Graham Robson also makes reference to some of the prototypes being built =
with SIII body shells. I believe this is hogwash,

=20

=20

                                                                         =
         Regards,

                                                                         =
            Jon

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class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>According to =
TBON both the Shelby and Miles Alpine V-8s were Series II.=C2=A0 The =
Jensen Project Prototype was a Series III.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>G. Robson =
Book =E2=80=93 <b>my guess</b> is Shelby wanted to change the steering =
rack position and the front suspension geometry.=C2=A0 I also believe =
the next concern was the rear axle and suspension.=C2=A0 These seem to =
have been his main concerns and there were probably others. =C2=A0Funny, =
the same ones we have today.=C2=A0 Maybe a look at the race Tigers would =
give more hints about the direction he envisioned.=C2=A0 Remember =
$10,000 for the Shelby Alpine V-8 only goes so far and Rootes was not =
interested in making major, read that expensive changes to the Alpine =
platform.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><=
/b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> =
Tigers [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Teepen, Jere via Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 10, 2016 6:31 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> J Clark &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Shelby as Sunbeam =
Tiger manufacturer?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
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>I have no knowledge about the changes Shelby may have made if =
production had gone that way, but from what I recall, the first V-8 =
Alpines were Series 2 (Ken Miles) and 3 (Shelby). =
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>I am now curious too, has there been any information as to what Shelby =
may have proposed?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><=
/b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> =
Tigers [<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:tigers-bounces@autox=
.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>J Clark via Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> =
Friday, June 10, 2016 12:14 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Sub=
ject:</b> [Tigers] Shelby as Sunbeam Tiger =
manufacturer?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4139"><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>&=
nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4144"><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4163"><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>W=
as reading the Tiger Wikipedia and the reference (citing the G. Robson =
book, &quot;Sunbeam Alpine and Tiger- The complete Story&quot;) =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4347"><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>t=
o Carroll Shelby's initial desire to build the car. Though I do own a =
copy of this book I must admit that this is news to me. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4519"><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>U=
pon reading what Robson wrote, it still left me with a couple of =
questions. Do any of you folks know what Shelby, according =
to<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4674"><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>R=
obson, had in mind when he proposed &quot;radical modification of the =
Alpine's structure and chassis&quot;? One wonders how things =
may<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4726"><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>h=
ave played out in the big scheme of things if Rootes had given Shelby =
the gig, rather than Jensen.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4626"><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4798"><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>G=
raham Robson also makes reference to some of the prototypes being built =
with SIII body shells. I believe this is =
hogwash,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4919"><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>l=
eading me to question the veracity of the rest of the book's =
contents.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_5077"><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_5076"><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>O=
ne more thing. Is my punctuation in this text coming through legibly? =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_5145"><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_5146"><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
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From: Tom Witt via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 14:49:49 -0700

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I wonder if national pride had any consideration with Shelby not =
assembling the cars?  That being the Tiger being seen more as an =
American hot rod, than a British sports car?  From what I heard in =
George Boskoff=E2=80=99s talk it seemed more like the Tiger prototype =
was assigned to Boskoff to =E2=80=98figure out=E2=80=99 by himself. If =
there was a major issue (like bending the steering arms) he would bounce =
the matter off Shelby. So, while the Shelby name is associated with the =
Tiger Shelby himself seemed to have little to do with the car. When the =
prototype was completed there were no drawings etc. with Boskoff only =
mentioning he had =E2=80=9Ca few templates.=E2=80=9D It kind of leads =
one to question just how interested Shelby really was.

Another thing to consider is; is it cheaper to send an American =
engine/trans to England - only to send it right back in a complete =
car..., or to send rolling, but non-powered cars and all the transport =
logistics (and cost) that would require? =20

BTW, the past five or so posts I=E2=80=99ve made to the list, over a =
number of months, have not appeared. This even with deleting the Tigers =
list information at the bottom and sending as plain text. So, this may =
only appear if Ron or Jere reply back to the list.
From: Ron Fraser via Tigers=20
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 8:03 AM
To: 'Teepen, Jere' ; [email-masked]=20
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby as Sunbeam Tiger manufacturer?

=20

=20

Ron Fraser

=20

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=20

From: Tigers [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of J Clark =
via Tigers
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 12:14 AM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [Tigers] Shelby as Sunbeam Tiger manufacturer?

=20

=20

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            Jon

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<DIV>I wonder if national pride had any consideration with Shelby not =
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rod,=20
than a British sports car?&nbsp; From what I heard in George =
Boskoff=E2=80=99s talk it=20
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mentioning=20
he had =E2=80=9Ca few templates.=E2=80=9D It kind of leads one to =
question just how interested=20
Shelby really was.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Another thing to consider is; is it cheaper to send an American=20
engine/trans to England - only to send it right back in a complete =
car..., or to=20
send rolling, but non-powered cars and all the transport logistics (and =
cost)=20
that would require?&nbsp; </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>BTW, the past five or so posts I=E2=80=99ve made to the list, over =
a number of=20
months, have not appeared. This even with deleting the Tigers list =
information=20
at the bottom and sending as plain text. So, this may only appear if Ron =
or Jere=20
reply back to the list.</DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A =
title=[email-masked]=20
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Ron Fraser via Tigers</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, June 11, 2016 8:03 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=[email-masked]=20
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">'Teepen, Jere'</A> ; <A=20
title=[email-masked]=20
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Tigers] Shelby as Sunbeam Tiger=20
manufacturer?</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
DISPLAY: inline'>
<DIV class=3DWordSection1>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif'>According =
to TBON=20
both the Shelby and Miles Alpine V-8s were Series II.&nbsp; The Jensen =
Project=20
Prototype was a Series III.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif'>G. Robson =
Book =E2=80=93=20
<B>my guess</B> is Shelby wanted to change the steering rack position =
and the=20
front suspension geometry.&nbsp; I also believe the next concern was the =
rear=20
axle and suspension.&nbsp; These seem to have been his main concerns and =
there=20
were probably others.&nbsp; Funny, the same ones we have today.&nbsp; =
Maybe a=20
look at the race Tigers would give more hints about the direction he=20
envisioned.&nbsp; Remember $10,000 for the Shelby Alpine V-8 only goes =
so far=20
and Rootes was not interested in making major, read that expensive =
changes to=20
the Alpine platform.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif'>Ron=20
Fraser<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
<DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BORDER-TOP: #e1e1e1 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; =
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif'> Tigers=20
[mailto:[email-masked]] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Teepen, Jere =
via=20
Tigers<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 10, 2016 6:31 PM<BR><B>To:</B> J =
Clark=20
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;; [email-masked]<BR><B>Subject:</B> =
Re:=20
[Tigers] Shelby as Sunbeam Tiger =
manufacturer?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><o:p></o:p>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: =
#1f497d'>I=20
have no knowledge about the changes Shelby may have made if production =
had gone=20
that way, but from what I recall, the first V-8 Alpines were Series 2 =
(Ken=20
Miles) and 3 (Shelby). <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: =
#1f497d'><o:p></o:p></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: =
#1f497d'>I am=20
now curious too, has there been any information as to what Shelby may =
have=20
proposed?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: =
#1f497d'><o:p></o:p></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
<DIV>
<DIV=20
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif'> Tigers [<A =

href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:tigers-bounces@autox=
.team.net</A>]=20
<B>On Behalf Of </B>J Clark via Tigers<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 10, =
2016=20
12:14 AM<BR><B>To:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</A><BR><B>Sub=
ject:</B>=20
[Tigers] Shelby as Sunbeam Tiger =
manufacturer?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><o:p></o:p>&nbsp;</P>
<DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4139>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Verdana",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4144>
<DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4163>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Verdana",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'>Was=20
reading the Tiger Wikipedia and the reference (citing the G. Robson =
book,=20
"Sunbeam Alpine and Tiger- The complete Story") =
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4347>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Verdana",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'>to=20
Carroll Shelby's initial desire to build the car. Though I do own a copy =
of this=20
book I must admit that this is news to me. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4519>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Verdana",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'>Upon=20
reading what Robson wrote, it still left me with a couple of questions. =
Do any=20
of you folks know what Shelby, according to<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4674>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Verdana",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'>Robson,=20
had in mind when he proposed "radical modification of the Alpine's =
structure and=20
chassis"? One wonders how things may<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4726>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Verdana",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'>have=20
played out in the big scheme of things if Rootes had given Shelby the =
gig,=20
rather than Jensen.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4626>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Verdana",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'><o:p></o:p></SPAN>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4798>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Verdana",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'>Graham=20
Robson also makes reference to some of the prototypes being built with =
SIII body=20
shells. I believe this is hogwash,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4919>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Verdana",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'>leading=20
me to question the veracity of the rest of the book's=20
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From: Ron Fraser via Tigers <[email-masked]>
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Tom

                You raise some interesting points.

Yes, British pride at Rootes and the British auto union was probably a =
major factor.

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We all have a tendency to refer to Shelby and Shelby American as being =
the same; that in itself can become confusing; we need to be more =
specific with our words.

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We lose track of the backstory or the truth that George and a few others =
were the people responsible for making the Shelby Tiger Prototype.  It =
is very difficult today to say how involved Shelby was with the project. =
  His main concern at the time was the Cobra, Cobra racing and good PR.

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Your question about sending rolling chassis to the USA is a good one.   =
My guess is Shelby would have tried to support that since he was doing =
that with the Cobra but I think Rootes was looking for more production =
capabilities with sooner delivery of production cars for sale.   =
Packaging and shipping a rolling chassis would be more expensive than =
shipping engine assemblies.=20

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Ron Fraser

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From: Tom Witt [mailto:[email-masked]]=20
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2016 5:50 PM
To: Ron Fraser <[email-masked]>; 'Teepen, Jere' =
<[email-masked]>; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby as Sunbeam Tiger manufacturer?

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Ron Fraser

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mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Teepen, Jere via =
Tigers
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby as Sunbeam Tiger manufacturer?

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mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of J Clark via Tigers
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 12:14 AM
Subject: [Tigers] Shelby as Sunbeam Tiger manufacturer?

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            Jon

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span.EmailStyle20
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Tom<o:p></o:p=
></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
 You raise some interesting points.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Yes, British =
pride at Rootes and the British auto union was probably a major =
factor.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>We all have =
a tendency to refer to Shelby and Shelby American as being the same; =
that in itself can become confusing; we need to be more specific with =
our words.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>We lose =
track of the backstory or the truth that George and a few others were =
the people responsible for making the Shelby Tiger Prototype.=C2=A0 It =
is very difficult today to say how involved Shelby was with the =
project.=C2=A0=C2=A0 His main concern at the time was the Cobra, Cobra =
racing and good PR.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Your =
question about sending rolling chassis to the USA is a good =
one.=C2=A0=C2=A0 <b>My guess</b> is Shelby would have tried to support =
that since he was doing that with the Cobra but I think Rootes was =
looking for more production capabilities with sooner delivery of =
production cars for sale.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Packaging and shipping a rolling =
chassis would be more expensive than shipping engine assemblies. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Ron =
Fraser<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><=
/b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> =
Tom Witt [mailto:[email-masked]] <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June =
12, 2016 5:50 PM<br><b>To:</b> Ron Fraser &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; =
'Teepen, Jere' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Shelby as Sunbeam =
Tiger manufacturer?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>I wonder if =
national pride had any consideration with Shelby not assembling the =
cars?&nbsp; That being the Tiger being seen more as an American hot rod, =
than a British sports car?&nbsp; From what I heard in George =
Boskoff=E2=80=99s talk it seemed more like the Tiger prototype was =
assigned to Boskoff to =E2=80=98figure out=E2=80=99 by himself. If there =
was a major issue (like bending the steering arms) he would bounce the =
matter off Shelby. So, while the Shelby name is associated with the =
Tiger Shelby himself seemed to have little to do with the car. When the =
prototype was completed there were no drawings etc. with Boskoff only =
mentioning he had =E2=80=9Ca few templates.=E2=80=9D It kind of leads =
one to question just how interested Shelby really =
was.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Another thing to =
consider is; is it cheaper to send an American engine/trans to England - =
only to send it right back in a complete car..., or to send rolling, but =
non-powered cars and all the transport logistics (and cost) that would =
require?&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>BTW, the past =
five or so posts I=E2=80=99ve made to the list, over a number of months, =
have not appeared. This even with deleting the Tigers list information =
at the bottom and sending as plain text. So, this may only appear if Ron =
or Jere reply back to the =
list.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Fr=
om:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> =
</span><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
title=3D"[email-masked]"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>Ron Fraser =
via Tigers</span></a><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Se=
nt:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> =
Saturday, June 11, 2016 8:03 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>To=
:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> =
</span><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
title=3D"[email-masked]"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>'Teepen, =
Jere'</span></a><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> =
; </span><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
title=3D"[email-masked]"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>[email-masked]=
eam.Net</span></a><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Su=
bject:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> =
Re: [Tigers] Shelby as Sunbeam Tiger =
manufacturer?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>A=
ccording to TBON both the Shelby and Miles Alpine V-8s were Series =
II.&nbsp; The Jensen Project Prototype was a Series =
III.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><=
o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>G=
. Robson Book =E2=80=93 <b>my guess</b> is Shelby wanted to change the =
steering rack position and the front suspension geometry.&nbsp; I also =
believe the next concern was the rear axle and suspension.&nbsp; These =
seem to have been his main concerns and there were probably =
others.&nbsp; Funny, the same ones we have today.&nbsp; Maybe a look at =
the race Tigers would give more hints about the direction he =
envisioned.&nbsp; Remember $10,000 for the Shelby Alpine V-8 only goes =
so far and Rootes was not interested in making major, read that =
expensive changes to the Alpine platform.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><=
o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>R=
on Fraser<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><=
o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid =
#E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>F=
rom:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> =
Tigers [</span><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>mailto:tigers=
[email-masked]</span></a><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>]=
 <b>On Behalf Of </b>Teepen, Jere via Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, =
June 10, 2016 6:31 PM<br><b>To:</b> J Clark &lt;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>icanhandyman@=
yahoo.com</span></a><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>&=
gt;; </span><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>tigers@autox.=
team.net</span></a><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><=
br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Shelby as Sunbeam Tiger =
manufacturer?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;</span><span =
may have proposed?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid =
#E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>F=
rom:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> =
Tigers [</span><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>mailto:tigers=
[email-masked]</span></a><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>]=
 <b>On Behalf Of </b>J Clark via Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 10, =
2016 12:14 AM<br><b>To:</b> </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>tigers@autox.=
team.net</span></a><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><=
br><b>Subject:</b> [Tigers] Shelby as Sunbeam Tiger =
manufacturer?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4139"><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>&=
nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4144"><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4163"><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>W=
as reading the Tiger Wikipedia and the reference (citing the G. Robson =
book, &quot;Sunbeam Alpine and Tiger- The complete Story&quot;) =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4347"><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>t=
o Carroll Shelby's initial desire to build the car. Though I do own a =
copy of this book I must admit that this is news to me. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4519"><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>U=
pon reading what Robson wrote, it still left me with a couple of =
questions. Do any of you folks know what Shelby, according =
to<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4674"><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>R=
obson, had in mind when he proposed &quot;radical modification of the =
Alpine's structure and chassis&quot;? One wonders how things =
may<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4726"><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>h=
ave played out in the big scheme of things if Rootes had given Shelby =
the gig, rather than Jensen.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4626"><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><=
o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4798"><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>G=
raham Robson also makes reference to some of the prototypes being built =
with SIII body shells. I believe this is =
hogwash,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_4919"><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>l=
eading me to question the veracity of the rest of the book's =
contents.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_5077"><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><=
o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_5076"><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>O=
ne more thing. Is my punctuation in this text coming through legibly? =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465537966360_5145"><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
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