Subject: [Tigers] Wiki or G Robson for Tiger info

From: snakebit289 via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 17:01:27 +0000 (UTC)

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Only my opinion, but folks using wikipedia. org should use it like they would Cliff Notes, strictly as a guide to research their references in order to get the whole picture on a subject. I write a column, and if the only source of information I have at my disposal is wiki, I need to change subjects. I've found that the powers that be who manage wiki aren't responsive to people questioning individual entries. I wasn't part of the team of actual owners and other Tiger historians who contacted wiki on this subject, but I was told wiki did not care for criticism from the team.
Likewise, we thought we had an opportunity to question Graham Robson about information contained in his book Sunbeam Alpine and Tiger, when he was one of two invited Sunbeam celebrities to appear at SUNI VI in Colorado Springs in the summer of 2014. I was told that he would have nothing of the sort. He basked in his preferred role as bon vivant and master of ceremonies at the event, and would not make himself available for any Q and A, private or public. I suggest that if people want to quote passages from his book, they read as many books related to Tigers as possible, and if basing information they post from the Robson book, that they attribute it to him, as they would for any information they did not learn firsthand.
Rande Bellman

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<html><head></head><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; f=
ont-family:bookman old style, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465835593233_3787">Only my opinion, but=
 folks using wikipedia. org should use it like they would Cliff Notes, stri=
ctly as a guide to research their references in order to get the whole pict=
ure on a subject. I write a column, and if the only source of information I=
 have at my disposal is wiki, I need to change subjects. I've found that th=
e powers that be who manage wiki aren't responsive to people questioning in=
dividual entries. I wasn't part of the team of actual owners and other Tige=
r historians who contacted wiki on this subject, but I was told wiki did no=
t care for criticism from the team.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_14658=
35593233_4132" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_146583559=
3233_4133" dir=3D"ltr">Likewise, we thought we had an opportunity to questi=
on Graham Robson about information contained in his book Sunbeam Alpine and=
 Tiger, when he was one of two invited Sunbeam celebrities to appear at SUN=
I VI in Colorado Springs in the summer of 2014. I was told that he would ha=
ve nothing of the sort. He basked in his preferred role as bon vivant and m=
aster of ceremonies at the event, and would not make himself available for =
any Q and A, private or public. I suggest that if people want to quote pass=
ages from his book, they read as many books related to Tigers as possible, =
and if basing information they post from the Robson book, that they attribu=
te it to him, as they would for any information they did not learn firsthan=
d.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465835593233_4347" dir=3D"ltr"><br></=
div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1465835593233_4348" dir=3D"ltr">Rande Bell=
man<br></div></div></body></html>
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From: Jay Laifman via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 12:44:55 -0700

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I read his book the first time when I had my Alpine only.  I felt like the
entire time the author was being really snooty and looking down his nose at
the car.  I was left with the feeling that why did he bother to write this
book if he disliked the Alpine so much?  I did later read the Tiger
sections after I got my dad's Tiger.  Those sections were definitely not as
bad.  Not great.  But not bad.

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 10:01 AM, snakebit289 via Tigers <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> Only my opinion, but folks using wikipedia. org should use it like they
> would Cliff Notes, strictly as a guide to research their references in
> order to get the whole picture on a subject. I write a column, and if the
> only source of information I have at my disposal is wiki, I need to change
> subjects. I've found that the powers that be who manage wiki aren't
> responsive to people questioning individual entries. I wasn't part of the
> team of actual owners and other Tiger historians who contacted wiki on this
> subject, but I was told wiki did not care for criticism from the team.
>
> Likewise, we thought we had an opportunity to question Graham Robson about
> information contained in his book Sunbeam Alpine and Tiger, when he was one
> of two invited Sunbeam celebrities to appear at SUNI VI in Colorado Springs
> in the summer of 2014. I was told that he would have nothing of the sort.
> He basked in his preferred role as bon vivant and master of ceremonies at
> the event, and would not make himself available for any Q and A, private or
> public. I suggest that if people want to quote passages from his book, they
> read as many books related to Tigers as possible, and if basing information
> they post from the Robson book, that they attribute it to him, as they
> would for any information they did not learn firsthand.
>
> Rande Bellman
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I read his book the first time when I had my Alpine only.=
=C2=A0 I felt like the entire time the author was being really snooty and l=
ooking down his nose at the car.=C2=A0 I was left with the feeling that why=
 did he bother to write this book if he disliked the Alpine so much?=C2=A0 =
I did later read the Tiger sections after I got my dad&#39;s Tiger.=C2=A0 T=
hose sections were definitely not as bad.=C2=A0 Not great.=C2=A0 But not ba=
d.</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, J=
un 13, 2016 at 10:01 AM, snakebit289 via Tigers <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D=
"color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:bookman old style,new york,ti=
mes,serif;font-size:16px"><div dir=3D"ltr">Only my opinion, but folks using=
 wikipedia. org should use it like they would Cliff Notes, strictly as a gu=
ide to research their references in order to get the whole picture on a sub=
ject. I write a column, and if the only source of information I have at my =
disposal is wiki, I need to change subjects. I&#39;ve found that the powers=
 that be who manage wiki aren&#39;t responsive to people questioning indivi=
dual entries. I wasn&#39;t part of the team of actual owners and other Tige=
r historians who contacted wiki on this subject, but I was told wiki did no=
t care for criticism from the team.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div di=
r=3D"ltr">Likewise, we thought we had an opportunity to question Graham Rob=
son about information contained in his book Sunbeam Alpine and Tiger, when =
he was one of two invited Sunbeam celebrities to appear at SUNI VI in Color=
ado Springs in the summer of 2014. I was told that he would have nothing of=
 the sort. He basked in his preferred role as bon vivant and master of cere=
monies at the event, and would not make himself available for any Q and A, =
private or public. I suggest that if people want to quote passages from his=
 book, they read as many books related to Tigers as possible, and if basing=
 information they post from the Robson book, that they attribute it to him,=
 as they would for any information they did not learn firsthand.</div><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Rande Bellman<br></div></div></div><=
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