Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear End Stiffness/Issue

From: Ron Fraser via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 20:33:07 -0400

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Tym

                You did not indicate exactly where you have cracks.

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Cracks will form on any Tiger at the rear spring perches.  You need to =
reinforce these areas.  I believe Tom Hall has a kit for this.

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Ron Fraser

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From: Tigers [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of tym2--- =
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Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 3:50 PM
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Subject: [Tigers] Rear End Stiffness/Issue

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Tigers,

I have my Mk1A apart for paint.  We have found quite a few stress cracks =
in the paint in the rear end.

My car has a built 302 and a 3.53 posi rear end.  I have heavy-duty =
springs and don't have any wheel hop.  I wondering if traction bars =
would help stiffen the rear end or if there is some other remedy

others have used.

Thanks in advance,

Tym McDowell

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cracks.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Cracks will =
form on any Tiger at the rear spring perches.=C2=A0 You need to =
reinforce these areas.=C2=A0 I believe Tom Hall has a kit for =
this.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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Tigers [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>tym2--- via Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 11, 2016 3:50 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Tiger's List =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> [Tigers] Rear End =
Stiffness/Issue<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Tigers,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I have my Mk1A apart for paint. &nbsp;We have found =
quite a few stress cracks in the paint in the rear =
end.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>My car has a built =
302 and a 3.53 posi rear end. &nbsp;I have heavy-duty springs and don't =
have any wheel hop. &nbsp;I wondering if traction bars would help =
stiffen the rear end or if there is some other =
remedy<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>others have =
used.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks in =
advance,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Tym =
McDowell<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I'm wondering =
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Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 15:44:21 -0400

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Tom, Ron=E2=80=99s suggestion on spring perches is spot on.  I have a =
3.54 with 5 speed, so 1st is very low, and Dale=E2=80=99s stiffer rear =
springs, traction bars and no problems, with stress cracks.  Even with =
all the above, car can hop in 1st if I am really on it.

Larry
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> I have my Mk1A apart for paint.  We have found quite a few stress =
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class=3D"">Tom, Ron=E2=80=99s suggestion on spring perches is spot on. =
&nbsp;I have a 3.54 with 5 speed, so 1st is very low, and Dale=E2=80=99s =
stiffer rear springs, traction bars and no problems, with stress cracks. =
&nbsp;Even with all the above, car can hop in 1st if I am really on =
it.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Larry<br =
class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On =
Apr 11, 2016, at 8:33 PM, Ron Fraser via Tigers &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
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class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; You did not indicate exactly where you have =
cracks.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
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New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Cracks will form on any =
Tiger at the rear spring perches.&nbsp; You need to reinforce these =
areas.&nbsp; I believe Tom Hall has a kit for this.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
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serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
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class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>[Tigers] Rear End =
Stiffness/Issue<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">Tigers,<o:p =
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0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D"">I have my Mk1A apart for paint. &nbsp;We have found quite a =
few stress cracks in the paint in the rear end.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D"">My car has a built 302 and a 3.53 posi rear end. &nbsp;I have =
heavy-duty springs and don't have any wheel hop. &nbsp;I wondering if =
traction bars would help stiffen the rear end or if there is some other =
remedy<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">others have used.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D"">Thanks in advance,<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
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rear=20spring=20perches.?=20You=20need=20to=20reinforce=20these=20areas.?=20I=20=
believe=20Tom=20Hall=20has=20a=20kit=20for=20this.=0D=0A?=0D=0ARon=20Fraser=0D=0A=
?=0D=0AFrom:=20Tigers=20[mailto:[email-masked]]=20On=20Behalf=20O=
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