Subject: [Tigers] Interesting Title Situation

From: CoolVT--- via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 13:11:50 -0500

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I recently had the occasion to swap my Tiger  registration from a  state 
that didn't require titles for older cars to Florida which does require a  
title
 
To get a title in Florida all that was required was for the car to be  
viewed and VIN verified  by Law Enforcement or DMV in the former  state.  With 
this authentication and a current registration,  Florida  was willing to 
issue me  a title and new registration.  
 
This worked good for me, but I can see all kinds of illegal  possibilities. 
 Say an older,  valuable car is flood damaged in  Florida or any other 
state.  If it is totaled FL will not register it.  Other states might allow you 
to register, but the title is stamped  "salvage".  But if you bring this car 
to a state that doesn't require  titles for older cars, you can register it 
without a title and at a later time  get a clean title in the process 
described above.
 
I've heard that there is criminal activity regarding "washing" titles and I 
 can see that it's possible using the above.   Mark  L
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possibilities.&nbsp; Say an older, &nbsp;valuable car is flood damaged in=
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"salvage".&nbsp; But if you bring this car to a state that doesn't require=
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From: Tom Witt via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2016 11:32:27 -0800

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As best I know the history of my car it was in Colorado, then New Mexico =
and eventually would up in California. At some point its ID was ascribed =
to the JAL #, and not the B947XXXX number.  I=E2=80=99ve decided to =
leave it alone. In my case the RIVETS are TAC-ed as original (oh..., did =
I really say =E2=80=9Cthat=E2=80=9D word) and the B947 number is =
partnered with the JAL#.  Anyway, that also seems like another way of =
=E2=80=9Cwashing=E2=80=9D a title with states that either are not on the =
ball or indifferent to cars like the Tiger that have two identifiers. =20

Back in 1995 someone gave me a free Corvair station wagon.  All I had =
was title from Michigan that was signed and dated 21 years prior, way =
back in 1974. They readily accepted that and simply required I present =
the car (in state) for VIN verification =E2=80=93 nothing more.  From =
what I see the California DMV doesn=E2=80=99t have much issue with out =
of state cars. But in state were they are likely more liable they are =
much harder. Try buying an older car on Craigslist with =E2=80=9Cbill of =
sale only=E2=80=9D and you are in for a potentially difficult, if not =
impossible time.  I=E2=80=99ve heard these title services are well worth =
the $150 they charge. They know all the ins and outs of the process, =
many are former DMV employees themselves.

From: CoolVT--- via Tigers=20
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 10:11 AM
To: [email-masked]=20
Subject: [Tigers] Interesting Title Situation

I recently had the occasion to swap my Tiger  registration from a state =
that didn't require titles for older cars to Florida which does require =
a title

To get a title in Florida all that was required was for the car to be =
viewed and VIN verified  by Law Enforcement or DMV in the former state.  =
With this authentication and a current registration,  Florida was =
willing to issue me  a title and new registration. =20

This worked good for me, but I can see all kinds of illegal =
possibilities.  Say an older,  valuable car is flood damaged in Florida =
or any other state.  If it is totaled FL will not register it. Other =
states might allow you to register, but the title is stamped "salvage".  =
But if you bring this car to a state that doesn't require titles for =
older cars, you can register it without a title and at a later time get =
a clean title in the process described above.

I've heard that there is criminal activity regarding "washing" titles =
and I can see that it's possible using the above.   Mark L

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<DIV>As best I know the history of my car it was in Colorado, then New =
Mexico=20
and eventually would up in California. At some point its ID was ascribed =
to the=20
JAL #, and not the B947XXXX number.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99ve decided to leave =
it alone. In my=20
case the RIVETS are TAC-ed as original (oh..., did I really say =
=E2=80=9Cthat=E2=80=9D word) and=20
the B947 number is partnered with the JAL#.&nbsp; Anyway, that also =
seems like=20
another way of =E2=80=9Cwashing=E2=80=9D a title with states that either =
are not on the ball or=20
indifferent to cars like the Tiger that have two identifiers.&nbsp; =
</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Back in 1995 someone gave me a free Corvair station wagon.&nbsp; =
All I had=20
was title from Michigan that was signed and dated 21 years prior, way =
back in=20
1974. They readily accepted that and simply required I present the car =
(in=20
state) for VIN verification =E2=80=93 nothing more.&nbsp; From what I =
see the California=20
DMV doesn=E2=80=99t have much issue with out of state cars. But in state =
were they are=20
likely more liable they are much harder. Try buying an older car on =
Craigslist=20
with =E2=80=9Cbill of sale only=E2=80=9D and you are in for a =
potentially difficult, if not=20
impossible time.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99ve heard these title services are well =
worth the $150=20
they charge. They know all the ins and outs of the process, many are =
former DMV=20
employees themselves.</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A =
title=[email-masked]=20
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">CoolVT--- via Tigers</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 03, 2016 10:11 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=[email-masked]=20
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [Tigers] Interesting Title =
Situation</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
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DISPLAY: inline'><FONT=20
id=3Drole_document color=3D#000000 size=3D3 face=3DArial>
<DIV>I recently had the occasion to swap my Tiger&nbsp; registration =
from a=20
state that didn't require titles for older cars to Florida which does =
require a=20
title</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>To get a title in Florida all that was required was for the car to =
be=20
viewed and VIN verified&nbsp; by Law Enforcement or DMV in the former=20
state.&nbsp; With this authentication and a current registration,&nbsp; =
Florida=20
was willing to issue me&nbsp; a title and new registration.&nbsp; </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>This worked good for me, but I can see all kinds of illegal=20
possibilities.&nbsp; Say an older,&nbsp; valuable car is flood damaged =
in=20
Florida or any other state.&nbsp; If it is totaled FL will not register =
it.=20
Other states might allow you to register, but the title is stamped=20
"salvage".&nbsp; But if you bring this car to a state that doesn't =
require=20
titles for older cars, you can register it without a title and at a =
later time=20
get a clean title in the process described above.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I've heard that there is criminal activity regarding "washing" =
titles and I=20
can see that it's possible using the above.&nbsp;&nbsp; Mark =
L</DIV></FONT>
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