Subject: Re: [Tigers] Stock oil filter set up leaks

From: Theo Smit via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 21:39:46 -0600 (MDT)

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Andy,

Rick sells the large and small gaskets for the oil filter. Same gaskets
used for the block adapter, if memory serves. You might consider buying
enough so you have a spare set on hand when you're through. The hose should
stop leaking once tightened... unless there's a hole in the hose. The big
nut at the oil filter is a 1 3/8" on mine, much dinged up over the years. 1
7/16" is too big. Use a socket  (You have to remove the tube nut - a 3/4"
open end wrench... or if you have a 1 3/'" offset open end wrench
available. I can't get a straight shot at the bolt with a regular open end
wrench... the radiator reservoir's in the way.

Tom
'67 Mark 2

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:25 PM, Andy Walker via Tigers <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> Hey, guys:
>
>
>
> First, the good news=E2=80=A6I=E2=80=99ve got 60 lbs of pressure on the g=
auge when I spin
> up my oil pump with my electric drill.  For a stock oil pump, that=E2=80=
=99s
> great!!  That means that when I fire up my Tiger for the first time on
> Sunday (hopefully=E2=80=A6) that I should have oil pressure running out m=
y
> ears=E2=80=A6which leads me to the bad news.  I=E2=80=99ve got a couple o=
f oil leaks in the
> stock oil filter set-up, one of which is pretty bad.  The bad one is at t=
he
> connection on top of the oil filter where the big bolt is that holds the
> filter to the housing.  The gasket is allowing the oil to just run out at=
 a
> pretty good clip.  I=E2=80=99ve got that bolt twisted down pretty tightly=
 but it
> continues to leak.  This is the first time that I=E2=80=99ve ever had an =
original
> oil filter set-up on a Tiger, so I=E2=80=99m unfamiliar with their odditi=
es; are
> you supposed to use some sort of gasket sealer on that gasket between the
> shoulders of the bolt and the housing?  Is this a common problem with the=
se
> stock filter rigs?
>
>
>
> The other leak is at the connection point between the short hose and the
> block adapter.  Hopefully, I=E2=80=99ll be able to tighten it up a bit an=
d stop the
> leak, but the leak I mentioned above is so bad that there is no way that =
I
> can start the car before fixing it.  Any advice on how to properly seal
> that would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
>
> Oh, and by the way, I don=E2=80=99t have a proper-sized wrench for the oi=
l filter
> bolt in question.  I mic=E2=80=99d it as best I could and it comes out to=
 be
> something like a 1.410=E2=80=9D in size.  All I=E2=80=99ve got that is bi=
g enough to do the
> job is an adjustable wrench, and even that is so long that I have to stan=
d
> it up and grab the shoulders of the bolt with the ends of the jaws of the
> wrench.  What do you guys use on yours?
>
>
>
> Thanks much,
>
> Andy Walker
>
> Edmond, OK
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Andy,<div><br><div>Rick sells the large and small gaskets =
for the oil filter. Same gaskets used for the block adapter, if memory serv=
es. You might consider buying enough so you have a spare set on hand when y=
ou&#39;re through. The hose should stop leaking once tightened... unless th=
ere&#39;s a hole in the hose. The big nut at the oil filter is a 1 3/8&quot=
; on mine, much dinged up over the years. 1 7/16&quot; is too big. Use a so=
cket =C2=A0(You have to remove the tube nut - a 3/4&quot; open end wrench..=
. or if you have a 1 3/&#39;&quot; offset open end wrench available. I can&=
#39;t get a straight shot at the bolt with a regular open end wrench... the=
 radiator reservoir&#39;s in the way. =C2=A0</div></div><div><br></div><div=
>Tom</div><div>&#39;67 Mark 2</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><di=
v class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:25 PM, Andy Walker via T=
igers <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pad=
ding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72"><div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hey, guys:<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">First, the good news=E2=80=A6=
I=E2=80=99ve got 60 lbs of pressure on the gauge when I spin up my oil pump=
 with my electric drill.=C2=A0 For a stock oil pump, that=E2=80=99s great!!=
=C2=A0 That means that when I fire up my Tiger for the first time on Sunday=
 (hopefully=E2=80=A6) that I should have oil pressure running out my ears=
=E2=80=A6which leads me to the bad news.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve got a couple of=
 oil leaks in the stock oil filter set-up, one of which is pretty bad.=C2=
=A0 The bad one is at the connection on top of the oil filter where the big=
 bolt is that holds the filter to the housing.=C2=A0 The gasket is allowing=
 the oil to just run out at a pretty good clip.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve got that=
 bolt twisted down pretty tightly but it continues to leak.=C2=A0 This is t=
he first time that I=E2=80=99ve ever had an original oil filter set-up on a=
 Tiger, so I=E2=80=99m unfamiliar with their oddities; are you supposed to =
use some sort of gasket sealer on that gasket between the shoulders of the =
bolt and the housing?=C2=A0 Is this a common problem with these stock filte=
r rigs?<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">The other leak is at the connection point between the s=
hort hose and the block adapter.=C2=A0 Hopefully, I=E2=80=99ll be able to t=
ighten it up a bit and stop the leak, but the leak I mentioned above is so =
bad that there is no way that I can start the car before fixing it.=C2=A0 A=
ny advice on how to properly seal that would be greatly appreciated.<u></u>=
<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal">Oh, and by the way, I don=E2=80=99t have a proper-sized wrench for th=
e oil filter bolt in question.=C2=A0 I mic=E2=80=99d it as best I could and=
 it comes out to be something like a 1.410=E2=80=9D in size.=C2=A0 All I=E2=
=80=99ve got that is big enough to do the job is an adjustable wrench, and =
even that is so long that I have to stand it up and grab the shoulders of t=
he bolt with the ends of the jaws of the wrench.=C2=A0 What do you guys use=
 on yours?<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks much,<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
>Andy Walker<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Edmond, OK<u></u><u></=
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From: michael king via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 14:15:35 +1000

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Andy is converting to factory stock.

Andy sometimes I think the issue at the top can be the mount turning while
you try and tighten the line and filter, see if you can use some rubber to
hold it and use a shifter to torque it down a bit... Just be careful not to
damage it
On 30 Jul 2015 13:42, "Theo Smit via Tigers" <[email-masked]> wrote:

> That size works out to just under 36 mm  and that is a metric wrench
> size... Lisle 43390, $16 on Amazon.
>
> I abandoned using my stock lower oil adapter when the o-rings got crusty
> and it started to leak from the center... The torque required to stop the
> weeping would probably have broken the adapter so I quit while I was ahea=
d.
>
> Theo
>
>
>
> On Jul 29, 2015, at 9:27 PM, Andy Walker via Tigers <[email-masked]=
t>
> wrote:
auge when I spin
=99s
y
f oil leaks in the
he
 a
 but it
original
es; are
se
d stop the
I
l filter
 be
g enough to do the
d
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<p dir=3D"ltr">Andy is converting to factory stock.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Andy sometimes I think the issue at the top can be the mount=
 turning while you try and tighten the line and filter, see if you can use =
some rubber to hold it and use a shifter to torque it down a bit... Just be=
 careful not to damage it </p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 30 Jul 2015 13:42, &quot;Theo Smit via Tigers=
&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</=
a>&gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div d=
ir=3D"auto"><div>That size works out to just under 36 mm =C2=A0and that is =
a metric wrench size... Lisle 43390, $16 on Amazon.=C2=A0</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>I abandoned using my stock lower oil adapter when the o-rings got c=
rusty and it started to leak from the center... The torque required to stop=
 the weeping would probably have broken the adapter so I quit while I was a=
head.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Theo<br><br><div><br></div></div><div>=
<br>On Jul 29, 2015, at 9:27 PM, Andy Walker via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; w=
rote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l">Hey, guys:<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u><=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">First, the good news=E2=80=A6I=E2=80=99ve got 60 =
lbs of pressure on the gauge when I spin up my oil pump with my electric dr=
ill.=C2=A0 For a stock oil pump, that=E2=80=99s great!!=C2=A0 That means th=
at when I fire up my Tiger for the first time on Sunday (hopefully=E2=80=A6=
) that I should have oil pressure running out my ears=E2=80=A6which leads m=
e to the bad news.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve got a couple of oil leaks in the stoc=
k oil filter set-up, one of which is pretty bad.=C2=A0 The bad one is at th=
e connection on top of the oil filter where the big bolt is that holds the =
filter to the housing.=C2=A0 The gasket is allowing the oil to just run out=
 at a pretty good clip.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve got that bolt twisted down prett=
y tightly but it continues to leak.=C2=A0 This is the first time that I=E2=
=80=99ve ever had an original oil filter set-up on a Tiger, so I=E2=80=99m =
unfamiliar with their oddities; are you supposed to use some sort of gasket=
 sealer on that gasket between the shoulders of the bolt and the housing?=
=C2=A0 Is this a common problem with these stock filter rigs?<u></u><u></u>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">T=
he other leak is at the connection point between the short hose and the blo=
ck adapter.=C2=A0 Hopefully, I=E2=80=99ll be able to tighten it up a bit an=
d stop the leak, but the leak I mentioned above is so bad that there is no =
way that I can start the car before fixing it.=C2=A0 Any advice on how to p=
roperly seal that would be greatly appreciated.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Oh, and by th=
e way, I don=E2=80=99t have a proper-sized wrench for the oil filter bolt i=
n question.=C2=A0 I mic=E2=80=99d it as best I could and it comes out to be=
 something like a 1.410=E2=80=9D in size.=C2=A0 All I=E2=80=99ve got that i=
s big enough to do the job is an adjustable wrench, and even that is so lon=
g that I have to stand it up and grab the shoulders of the bolt with the en=
ds of the jaws of the wrench.=C2=A0 What do you guys use on yours?<u></u><u=
></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al">Thanks much,<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Andy Walker<u></u>=
<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Edmond, OK<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><=
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From: Stu via Tigers <[email-masked]>
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I ended up making my own 6 point wrench for the large "nut" out of a thick
aluminum sheet.  I traced the nut onto the sheet then cut and filed it out
until it was a tight fit.  I used it a couple times before I gave up on the
original setup and switched to the Motorsports right angle adapter.

Stu

On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Ron Fraser via Tigers <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> Andy
>
> The fittings should tighten and not leak.
>
> You should check to make sure you have not split or cut the washers.
> Check to make sure the metal surfaces are flat for the gaskets.
> You should also check the big bolt at top is not bottoming out too soon.
> Install it without the washer to make sure it does not stop short of the
> metal adaptor.
>
> I believe those are fiber washers; maybe copper washers would work
> better.(?)
>
> 1.410" =3D 35.8 mm
>
> A 38 mm socket  may work OK.
>
> The correct wrenches would be line wrenches or crowfoot line wrenches.
> You would have to make your own 1.41" wrench.  Do you know anyone with a
> water jet cutter?
>
> A water jet or laser cutting machine could make a special tool to fit thi=
s
> job.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* Tigers [mailto:[email-masked]] *On Behalf Of *Andy
> Walker via Tigers
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 29, 2015 11:26 PM
> *To:* [email-masked]
> *Subject:* [Tigers] Stock oil filter set up leaks
>
> Hey, guys:
>
>
>
auge when I spin
=99s
y
f oil leaks in the
he
 a
 but it
original
es; are
se
d stop the
I
l filter
 be
g enough to do the
d
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">I e=
nded up making my own 6 point wrench for the large &quot;nut&quot; out of a=
 thick aluminum sheet.=C2=A0 I traced the nut onto the sheet then cut and f=
iled it out until it was a tight fit.=C2=A0 I used it a couple times before=
 I gave up on the original setup and switched to the Motorsports right angl=
e adapter.=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small=
"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Stu</div=
></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Ju=
l 30, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Ron Fraser via Tigers <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</=
a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>

<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"#0563c1" vlink=3D"#954f72">
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span>Andy</span></f=
ont></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span></span></font>=
=C2=A0</div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span>The=20
fittings should tighten and not leak.</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span></span></font>=
=C2=A0</div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span>You=20
should check to make sure you have not split or cut the=20
washers.</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span>Check=20
to make sure the metal surfaces are flat for the gaskets.</span></font></di=
v>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span>You=20
should also check the big bolt at top=C2=A0is not bottoming out too=20
soon.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Install it without the washer to make sure it does not st=
op=20
short of the metal adaptor.</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span></span></font>=
=C2=A0</div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span>I=20
believe those are fiber washers; maybe copper washers would work=20
better.(?)</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span></span></font>=
=C2=A0</div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span>1.410&quot;=20
=3D 35.8 mm</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span></span></font>=
=C2=A0</div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span>A 38=20
mm=C2=A0socket=C2=A0 may work OK.</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span></span></font>=
=C2=A0</div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span>The=20
correct wrenches would be line wrenches or crowfoot line=20
wrenches.</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span>You=20
would have to make your own 1.41&quot; wrench.=C2=A0 Do you know anyone wit=
h a water=20
jet cutter?</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span></span></font>=
=C2=A0</div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span>A=20
water jet or laser cutting machine could make a special tool to fit this=20
job.</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span></span></font>=
=C2=A0</div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span>Ron=20
Fraser</span></font></div>
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ahoma">-----Original Message-----<br><b>From:</b> Tigers=20
  [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank=
">[email-masked]</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Andy Walker via=20
  Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 29, 2015 11:26 PM<br><b>To:</b>=20
  <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
eam.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Tigers] Stock oil filter set up=20
  leaks<br><br></font></div>
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  <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hey, guys:<u></u><u></u></p>
  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
  <p class=3D"MsoNormal">First, the good news=E2=80=A6I=E2=80=99ve got 60 l=
bs of pressure on the=20
  gauge when I spin up my oil pump with my electric drill.=C2=A0 For a stoc=
k oil=20
  pump, that=E2=80=99s great!!=C2=A0 That means that when I fire up my Tige=
r for the=20
  first time on Sunday (hopefully=E2=80=A6) that I should have oil pressure=
 running out=20
  my ears=E2=80=A6which leads me to the bad news.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve got a =
couple of oil leaks=20
  in the stock oil filter set-up, one of which is pretty bad.=C2=A0 The bad=
 one=20
  is at the connection on top of the oil filter where the big bolt is that =
holds=20
  the filter to the housing.=C2=A0 The gasket is allowing the oil to just r=
un=20
  out at a pretty good clip.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve got that bolt twisted down =
pretty=20
  tightly but it continues to leak.=C2=A0 This is the first time that I=E2=
=80=99ve ever=20
  had an original oil filter set-up on a Tiger, so I=E2=80=99m unfamiliar w=
ith their=20
  oddities; are you supposed to use some sort of gasket sealer on that gask=
et=20
  between the shoulders of the bolt and the housing?=C2=A0 Is this a common=
=20
  problem with these stock filter rigs?<u></u><u></u></p>
  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
  <p class=3D"MsoNormal">The other leak is at the connection point between =
the short=20
  hose and the block adapter.=C2=A0 Hopefully, I=E2=80=99ll be able to tigh=
ten it up a=20
  bit and stop the leak, but the leak I mentioned above is so bad that ther=
e is=20
  no way that I can start the car before fixing it.=C2=A0 Any advice on how=
 to=20
  properly seal that would be greatly appreciated.<u></u><u></u></p>
  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
  <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Oh, and by the way, I don=E2=80=99t have a proper-=
sized wrench for=20
  the oil filter bolt in question.=C2=A0 I mic=E2=80=99d it as best I could=
 and it comes=20
  out to be something like a 1.410=E2=80=9D in size.=C2=A0 All I=E2=80=99ve=
 got that is big=20
  enough to do the job is an adjustable wrench, and even that is so long th=
at I=20
  have to stand it up and grab the shoulders of the bolt with the ends of t=
he=20
  jaws of the wrench.=C2=A0 What do you guys use on yours?<u></u><u></u></p=
  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
  <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks much,<u></u><u></u></p>
  <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Andy Walker<u></u><u></u></p>
  <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Edmond, OK<u></u><u></u></p></div></blockquote></d=
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 16:15:28 -0400

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MessageAndy,

The Tiger remote adapter has always been a problem.  Those of us who =
have wrestled with it for years have developed their own techniques for =
dealing with it.  Follow Ron=E2=80=99s advice re. splits, cuts, etc.  =
Also, degrease the filter before you attempt to reinstall.  You may have =
to hold the filter so that it doesn=E2=80=99t turn and you can=E2=80=99t =
do that if it=E2=80=99s covered with oil.  For the big bolt you referred =
to I use a 1 1/2=E2=80=9D socket.  The socket was made for a =
3/4=E2=80=9D drive so I use a 3/4 =E2=80=93 1/2=E2=80=9D adapter so I =
can use the socket with my 1/2=E2=80=9D drive.  The adapter also forms a =
short extension so the drive clears most of the stuff under the hood =
when you swing it.  I wedge a small 2x4 block between the adapter top =
and the block to keep the adapter from turning.  If you have under-hood =
paint issues you may want to wrap the 2X4 in a rag.  In tightening the =
big bolt, recall that the filter is actually a spin-on filter.  =
Instructions for the filter say to snug the filter up and then give it =
3/4 to 1 turn to tighten it.  Basically you want to do the equivalent =
but with the filter fixed and the bolt that screws into the filter =
turning 1 turn.  After snugging the bolt into the filter, make 1 turn on =
the bolt to tighten it.  You may have to hold on to the filter to keep =
it from turning while you do this.  It will take multiple swings of the =
ratchet to accomplish this 1 turn.  You should note the position of some =
part of the socket relative to the adapter body and ratchet the socket =
around until the socket reaches that position again (i.e. makes 1 =
revolution).  That should take care of the big bolt.  For the tube =
fitting that goes into the center of the adapter I use a 3/4=E2=80=9D =
flair nut (tubing) crowsfoot adapter for a 3/8=E2=80=9D drive and turn =
it with a short 3/8=E2=80=9D breaker bar with a swivel connection on the =
end.  This combo is probably overkill but it does create an almost ideal =
tool for the job.  You=E2=80=99ll have to figure out what works for you. =
 Whatever scheme you come up with for dealing with this fitting, I would =
recommend that you not use an open end wrench for the job.  Every time =
the wrench slips it will round the flats on the fitting.  Eventually you =
will not be able to get it tight.

-Good luck..

Will - [email-masked]
______________________________
"I think not therefore I am not" (anon)

From: Ron Fraser via Tigers=20
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 9:51 AM
To: 'Andy Walker' ; [email-masked]=20
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Stock oil filter set up leaks

Andy

You should check to make sure you have not split or cut the washers.
Check to make sure the metal surfaces are flat for the gaskets.
You should also check the big bolt at top is not bottoming out too soon. =
  Install it without the washer to make sure it does not stop short of =
the metal adaptor.

I believe those are fiber washers; maybe copper washers would work =
better.(?)

1.410" =3D 35.8 mm

The correct wrenches would be line wrenches or crowfoot line wrenches.
You would have to make your own 1.41" wrench.  Do you know anyone with a =
water jet cutter?

A water jet or laser cutting machine could make a special tool to fit =
this job.

Ron Fraser
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Tigers [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Andy =
Walker via Tigers
  Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 11:26 PM
  To: [email-masked]
  Subject: [Tigers] Stock oil filter set up leaks

  Hey, guys:

  =20

  First, the good news=E2=80=A6I=E2=80=99ve got 60 lbs of pressure on =
the gauge when I spin up my oil pump with my electric drill.  For a =
stock oil pump, that=E2=80=99s great!!  That means that when I fire up =
my Tiger for the first time on Sunday (hopefully=E2=80=A6) that I should =
have oil pressure running out my ears=E2=80=A6which leads me to the bad =
news.  I=E2=80=99ve got a couple of oil leaks in the stock oil filter =
set-up, one of which is pretty bad.  The bad one is at the connection on =
top of the oil filter where the big bolt is that holds the filter to the =
housing.  The gasket is allowing the oil to just run out at a pretty =
good clip.  I=E2=80=99ve got that bolt twisted down pretty tightly but =
it continues to leak.  This is the first time that I=E2=80=99ve ever had =
an original oil filter set-up on a Tiger, so I=E2=80=99m unfamiliar with =
their oddities; are you supposed to use some sort of gasket sealer on =
that gasket between the shoulders of the bolt and the housing?  Is this =
a common problem with these stock filter rigs?

  =20

  The other leak is at the connection point between the short hose and =
the block adapter.  Hopefully, I=E2=80=99ll be able to tighten it up a =
bit and stop the leak, but the leak I mentioned above is so bad that =
there is no way that I can start the car before fixing it.  Any advice =
on how to properly seal that would be greatly appreciated.

  =20

  Oh, and by the way, I don=E2=80=99t have a proper-sized wrench for the =
oil filter bolt in question.  I mic=E2=80=99d it as best I could and it =
comes out to be something like a 1.410=E2=80=9D in size.  All =
I=E2=80=99ve got that is big enough to do the job is an adjustable =
wrench, and even that is so long that I have to stand it up and grab the =
shoulders of the bolt with the ends of the jaws of the wrench.  What do =
you guys use on yours?

  =20

  Thanks much,

  Andy Walker

  Edmond, OK

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<DIV><FONT size=3D4>Andy,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4>The Tiger remote adapter has always been a =
problem.&nbsp;=20
Those of us who have wrestled with it for years have developed their own =

techniques for dealing with it.&nbsp; Follow Ron=E2=80=99s advice re. =
splits, cuts,=20
etc.&nbsp; Also, degrease the filter before you attempt to =
reinstall.&nbsp; You=20
may have to hold the filter so that it doesn=E2=80=99t turn and you =
can=E2=80=99t do that if=20
it=E2=80=99s covered with oil.&nbsp; For the big bolt you referred to I =
use a 1 1/2=E2=80=9D=20
socket.&nbsp; The socket was made for a 3/4=E2=80=9D drive so I use a =
3/4 =E2=80=93 1/2=E2=80=9D adapter=20
so I can use the socket with my 1/2=E2=80=9D drive.&nbsp; The adapter =
also forms a short=20
extension so the drive clears most of the stuff under the hood when you =
swing=20
it.&nbsp; I wedge a small 2x4 block between the adapter top and the =
block to=20
keep the adapter from turning.&nbsp; If you have under-hood paint issues =
you may=20
want to wrap the 2X4 in a rag.&nbsp; In tightening the big bolt, recall =
that the=20
filter is actually a spin-on filter.&nbsp; Instructions for the filter =
say to=20
snug the filter up and then give it 3/4 to 1 turn to tighten it.&nbsp; =
Basically=20
you want to do the equivalent but with the filter fixed and the bolt =
that screws=20
into the filter turning 1 turn.&nbsp; After snugging the bolt into the =
filter,=20
make 1 turn on the bolt to tighten it.&nbsp; You may have to hold on to =
the=20
filter to keep it from turning while you do this.&nbsp; It will take =
multiple=20
swings of the ratchet to accomplish this 1 turn.&nbsp; You should note =
the=20
position of some part of the socket relative to the adapter body and =
ratchet the=20
socket around until the socket reaches that position again (i.e. makes 1 =

revolution).&nbsp; That should take care of the big bolt.&nbsp; For the =
tube=20
fitting that goes into the center of the adapter I use a 3/4=E2=80=9D =
flair nut (tubing)=20
crowsfoot adapter for a 3/8=E2=80=9D drive and turn it with a short =
3/8=E2=80=9D breaker bar=20
with a swivel connection on the end.&nbsp; This combo is probably =
overkill but=20
it does create an almost ideal tool for the job.&nbsp; You=E2=80=99ll =
have to figure out=20
what works for you.&nbsp; Whatever scheme you come up with for dealing =
with this=20
fitting, I would recommend that you not use an open end wrench for the=20
job.&nbsp; Every time the wrench slips it will round the flats on the=20
fitting.&nbsp; Eventually you will not be able to get it =
tight.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4>-Good luck..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial'; COLOR: =
#000000">Will -=20
[email-masked]<BR>______________________________<BR>"I think not =
therefore=20
I am not" (anon)</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
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<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5">
<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A =
title=[email-masked]=20
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Ron Fraser via Tigers</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 30, 2015 9:51 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=[email-masked] =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">'Andy=20
Walker'</A> ; <A title=[email-masked]=20
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Tigers] Stock oil filter set up=20
leaks</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
DISPLAY: inline'>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D968103213-30072015>Andy</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D968103213-30072015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D968103213-30072015>The=20
fittings should tighten and not leak.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D968103213-30072015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D968103213-30072015>You=20
should check to make sure you have not split or cut the=20
washers.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D968103213-30072015>Check=20
to make sure the metal surfaces are flat for the =
gaskets.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D968103213-30072015>You=20
should also check the big bolt at top is not bottoming out too =
soon.&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
Install it without the washer to make sure it does not stop short of the =
metal=20
adaptor.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D968103213-30072015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D968103213-30072015>I=20
believe those are fiber washers; maybe copper washers would work=20
better.(?)</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D968103213-30072015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D968103213-30072015>1.410"=20
=3D 35.8 mm</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D968103213-30072015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D968103213-30072015>A 38=20
mm socket&nbsp; may work OK.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D968103213-30072015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D968103213-30072015>The=20
correct wrenches would be line wrenches or crowfoot line=20
wrenches.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D968103213-30072015>You=20
would have to make your own 1.41" wrench.&nbsp; Do you know anyone with =
a water=20
jet cutter?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D968103213-30072015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D968103213-30072015>A=20
water jet or laser cutting machine could make a special tool to fit this =

job.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D968103213-30072015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D968103213-30072015>Ron=20
Fraser</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir=3Dltr>
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV lang=3Den-us class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr =
align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D2=20
  face=3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Tigers=20
  [mailto:[email-masked]] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Andy Walker =
via=20
  Tigers<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 29, 2015 11:26 PM<BR><B>To:</B> =

  [email-masked]<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Tigers] Stock oil filter set =
up=20
  leaks<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV class=3DWordSection1>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal>Hey, guys:<o:p></o:p></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><o:p></o:p>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal>First, the good news=E2=80=A6I=E2=80=99ve got 60 =
lbs of pressure on the=20
  gauge when I spin up my oil pump with my electric drill.&nbsp; For a =
stock oil=20
  pump, that=E2=80=99s great!!&nbsp; That means that when I fire up my =
Tiger for the=20
  first time on Sunday (hopefully=E2=80=A6) that I should have oil =
pressure running out=20
  my ears=E2=80=A6which leads me to the bad news.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99ve got =
a couple of oil leaks=20
  in the stock oil filter set-up, one of which is pretty bad.&nbsp; The =
bad one=20
  is at the connection on top of the oil filter where the big bolt is =
that holds=20
  the filter to the housing.&nbsp; The gasket is allowing the oil to =
just run=20
  out at a pretty good clip.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99ve got that bolt twisted =
down pretty=20
  tightly but it continues to leak.&nbsp; This is the first time that =
I=E2=80=99ve ever=20
  had an original oil filter set-up on a Tiger, so I=E2=80=99m =
unfamiliar with their=20
  oddities; are you supposed to use some sort of gasket sealer on that =
gasket=20
  between the shoulders of the bolt and the housing?&nbsp; Is this a =
common=20
  problem with these stock filter rigs?<o:p></o:p></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><o:p></o:p>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal>The other leak is at the connection point between =
the short=20
  hose and the block adapter.&nbsp; Hopefully, I=E2=80=99ll be able to =
tighten it up a=20
  bit and stop the leak, but the leak I mentioned above is so bad that =
there is=20
  no way that I can start the car before fixing it.&nbsp; Any advice on =
how to=20
  properly seal that would be greatly appreciated.<o:p></o:p></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><o:p></o:p>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal>Oh, and by the way, I don=E2=80=99t have a =
proper-sized wrench for=20
  the oil filter bolt in question.&nbsp; I mic=E2=80=99d it as best I =
could and it comes=20
  out to be something like a 1.410=E2=80=9D in size.&nbsp; All =
I=E2=80=99ve got that is big=20
  enough to do the job is an adjustable wrench, and even that is so long =
that I=20
  have to stand it up and grab the shoulders of the bolt with the ends =
of the=20
  jaws of the wrench.&nbsp; What do you guys use on =
yours?<o:p></o:p></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><o:p></o:p>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks much,<o:p></o:p></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal>Andy Walker<o:p></o:p></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal>Edmond, OK<o:p></o:p></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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