Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC - Budapest, NATO (OTAN) Europe, the EU, Islamic immigration and healthcare

From: Weslake1330 via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2026 23:20:32 +0100

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Hi list, some of you are don=E2=80=99t like it when I post stuff like this =
but
never challenge any of the points I make or even privately debate them with
me.  Some of you find them interesting and some have deleted this e-mail
already.  Well, I read a lot of stuff on YouTube and regardless of any
opinion or political allegiances it does seem to me that not everyone
understands the basic of some issues and that leads to misunderstandings.
Sure, the list should be to discuss LBC stuff but I think the archive will
confirm other stuff, sometimes contentious (public drafting on the highway
and not in LBCs) topics get discussed.

Firstly, part of the reason countries are helping Ukraine in their fight
against Russian aggression and attacks, lie with The Budapest Memorandum on
Security signed in Budapest, Hungary, on 5 December 1994.  The summary is
that Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons as part of a defence deal.  The
other obvious reason is that when one country attacks another and seeks to
completely invade it there is choice other countries have to make in
whether to sit back and do nothing or find a way to help. Thirdly you have
to consider a domino effect scenario where Russia defeats Ukraine and then
goes onto rebuild the USSR.  Maybe that sounds like a problem for the
Europeans and I guess it is, or at least first.  But if the dominos carry
on falling then you once again have a USSR that threatens the USA.

NATO is the North Atlantic (not North American) Treaty Organisation (the
French call it OTAN for French grammatical reasons I don=E2=80=99t understa=
nd).
It=E2=80=99s not a club of buddies to bully anyone but a club of buddies to=
 defend
each other against a big bully.  It=E2=80=99s not a European idea or club a=
nd
Canada is a member.  Despite the rhetoric you might read or hear, NATO
isn=E2=80=99t a way for everyone apart from the USA to get defence on the c=
heap.
Not everyone in the club might agree that everyone is paying enough.
However, the member paying the most doesn=E2=80=99t say it will pay less bu=
t argues
others should pay more.  Why is that?  Well, you might have to do your own
research on that.

Europe isn=E2=80=99t a country it=E2=80=99s a geographic region.  The EU is=
 not the same
thing as Europe because the EU is a kind of club.  Strangely enough the EU
has been viewed by some members and one ex-member as a club where not all
the members pay in enough money or get equal benefits out of it.  The
republic of Ireland is not in NATO but is in Europe and is in the EU.  The
United Kingdom (Great Britain, sort of) is in NATO and is in Europe but is
not in the EU (it left some years ago).

Is Europe being taken over by Islamic (Moslem) immigrants?  Well, I don=E2=
=80=99t
think so.  I could make a joke and say that in England at least, the Hindus
and Sikhs would never allow that to happen. You also have to understand
there are actually 2 major and one lesser Islamic group =E2=80=93 not sure =
if this
is quite the same thing as Catholics and Protestants but it=E2=80=99s how I=
 like to
think of it.  Over the years I=E2=80=99ve worked alongside Moslems and they=
 were
great people and not extremists.

I read a lot that the reason Europeans have free healthcare is because they
rely on the US, as part of NATO, to protect them rather than pay for their
own protection.  In the UK free healthcare came into being after WW2 and
existed all the way through the Cold War at a time when the UK spent a lot
more on defence than it does now.  However, it=E2=80=99s not quite as encom=
passing
as it used to be.  For example, when I was a child, medical prescriptions
were free but for decades since there has been a fee to pay.  Similarly,
all dental care was free when I was a child but now while it is still
subsidised there is 3 tier system of fees and it can still be very
expensive.  I think at least one country in Europe has free healthcare.  A
question to consider then is if the US spent less money on NATO and defense
generally would it be enough for free healthcare?

I think that=E2=80=99s all the stuff I believe I can help others with their
understanding of and I=E2=80=99m confident that listers are generally smart=
er than
everyone else but may have friends with lesser rides and knowledge
generally!  Also, while I have political opinions, I am not a member of any
political party and haven=E2=80=99t always voted for the same political par=
ty.  I
have enlisted military service but not combat experience.  Recently I even
applied for and have been granted a HM Forces Veteran ID card and maybe
when I get my 3rd one it will actually correctly record the initials for my
Christian/Fore names. . . .

I=E2=80=99d like to finish with a quote from Henry Ford: =E2=80=98Any man w=
ho thinks he can
be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better
take a closer look at the American Indian=E2=80=99.  However, it seems to b=
e bunk
and that he never said that but did say a bunch of other stuff.  So, how
about a quote from the bible? Matthew Ch19 v30 (NIV) But many who are first
will be last, and many who are last will be first.

Daniel

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-he=
ight:115%;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Hi list, some of y=
ou are don=E2=80=99t like it when I post stuff
like this but never challenge any of the points I make or even privately de=
bate
them with me.=C2=A0 Some of you find them
interesting and some have deleted this e-mail already.=C2=A0 Well, I read a=
 lot of stuff on YouTube and
regardless of any opinion or political allegiances it does seem to me that =
not
everyone understands the basic of some issues and that leads to
misunderstandings. Sure, the list should be to discuss LBC stuff but I thin=
k
the archive will confirm other stuff, sometimes contentious (public draftin=
g on
the highway and not in LBCs) topics get discussed.</p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:115%;font-si=
ze:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Firstly, part of the reason countri=
es are helping Ukraine in
their fight against Russian aggression and attacks, lie with The Budapest
Memorandum on Security signed in Budapest, Hungary, on 5 December 1994.=C2=
=A0 The summary is that Ukraine gave up their
nuclear weapons as part of a defence deal.=C2=A0
The other obvious reason is that when one country attacks another and
seeks to completely invade it there is choice other countries have to make =
in
whether to sit back and do nothing or find a way to help. Thirdly you have =
to
consider a domino effect scenario where Russia defeats Ukraine and then goe=
s onto
rebuild the USSR.=C2=A0 Maybe that sounds like
a problem for the Europeans and I guess it is, or at least first.=C2=A0 But=
 if the dominos carry on falling then you
once again have a USSR that threatens the USA.</p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:115%;font-si=
ze:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">NATO is the North Atlantic (not Nor=
th American) Treaty Organisation
(the French call it OTAN for French grammatical reasons I don=E2=80=99t
understand).=C2=A0 It=E2=80=99s not a club of buddies
to bully anyone but a club of buddies to defend each other against a big
bully.=C2=A0 It=E2=80=99s not a European idea or club
and Canada is a member.=C2=A0 Despite the
rhetoric you might read or hear, NATO isn=E2=80=99t a way for everyone apar=
t from the
USA to get defence on the cheap. Not everyone in the club might agree that
everyone is paying enough.=C2=A0 However, the
member paying the most doesn=E2=80=99t say it will pay less but argues othe=
rs should
pay more.=C2=A0 Why is that?=C2=A0 Well, you might have to do your own rese=
arch
on that.</p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:115%;font-si=
ze:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Europe isn=E2=80=99t a country it=
=E2=80=99s a geographic region.=C2=A0 The EU is not the same thing as Europ=
e
because the EU is a kind of club.=C2=A0
Strangely enough the EU has been viewed by some members and one ex-member
as a club where not all the members pay in enough money or get equal benefi=
ts
out of it.=C2=A0 The republic of Ireland is
not in NATO but is in Europe and is in the EU.=C2=A0
The United Kingdom (Great Britain, sort of) is in NATO and is in Europe
but is not in the EU (it left some years ago).</p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:115%;font-si=
ze:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Is Europe being taken over by Islam=
ic (Moslem)
immigrants?=C2=A0 Well, I don=E2=80=99t think so.=C2=A0 I could make a joke=
 and say that in England
at least, the Hindus and Sikhs would never allow that to happen. You also h=
ave
to understand there are actually 2 major and one lesser Islamic group =E2=
=80=93 not sure
if this is quite the same thing as Catholics and Protestants but it=E2=80=
=99s how I
like to think of it.=C2=A0 Over the years I=E2=80=99ve
worked alongside Moslems and they were great people and not extremists.</p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:115%;font-si=
ze:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I read a lot that the reason Europe=
ans have free healthcare
is because they rely on the US, as part of NATO, to protect them rather tha=
n
pay for their own protection.=C2=A0 In the UK
free healthcare came into being after WW2 and existed all the way through t=
he
Cold War at a time when the UK spent a lot more on defence than it does
now.=C2=A0 However, it=E2=80=99s not quite as encompassing
as it used to be.=C2=A0 For example, when I
was a child, medical prescriptions were free but for decades since there ha=
s
been a fee to pay.=C2=A0 Similarly, all dental
care was free when I was a child but now while it is still subsidised there=
 is
3 tier system of fees and it can still be very expensive.=C2=A0 I think at =
least one country in Europe has
free healthcare.=C2=A0 A question to consider
then is if the US spent less money on NATO and defense generally would it b=
e enough
for free healthcare?</p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:115%;font-si=
ze:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I think that=E2=80=99s all the stuf=
f I believe I can help others
with their understanding of and I=E2=80=99m confident that listers are gene=
rally
smarter than everyone else but may have friends with lesser rides and knowl=
edge
generally!=C2=A0 Also, while I have political opinions,
I am not a member of any political party and haven=E2=80=99t always voted f=
or the same political
party.=C2=A0 I have enlisted military service
but not combat experience.=C2=A0 Recently I
even applied for and have been granted a HM Forces Veteran ID card and mayb=
e
when I get my 3<sup>rd</sup> one it will actually correctly record the init=
ials
for my Christian/Fore names. . . .</p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:115%;font-si=
ze:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I=E2=80=99d like to finish with a q=
uote from Henry Ford: =E2=80=98Any man
who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take ca=
re
of him better take a closer look at the American Indian=E2=80=99.=C2=A0 How=
ever, it seems to be bunk and that he
never said that but did say a bunch of other stuff.=C2=A0 So, how about a q=
uote from the bible? Matthew
Ch19 v30 (NIV) But many who are first will be last, and many who are last w=
ill
be first.</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height=
:115%;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Daniel</p></div>

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