Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Past present and future- no LBC

From: David G via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2025 22:51:31 +0000

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You are not alone in being baffled
________________________________
From: Spridgets <[email-masked]> on behalf of Weslake1330=
 via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2025 2:43 PM
To: Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Subject: [Spridgets] Past present and future- no LBC

Hi List,

I was born in the early 1960s in a rural part of the country and it seems w=
ithin walking distance of one of many nuclear missile stations here in Engl=
and.  It was too soon for ICBMs so America had our friendly assistance in s=
iting short range nuclear missiles in our country and within striking range=
 of the USSR - THOR (lots on YouTube and the internet about THOR).

I was at school for the moon landings and only decades later visited the pl=
ace where Neil Armstrong's famous words  were first heard.  That place was =
not the USA but a British crown territory where the signal was received and=
 then sent onto the USA.  The place was Ascension Island (at least one good=
 fiction book was based on the island...).

I was an enlisted serviceman in the RAF where I saw one of the last b&w pho=
tos of a Russian bear that had been live intercepted by a fighter from my s=
quadron.  About the same time I saw a piece of rubbish concrete that arrive=
d in the mail for a member of the squadron - it was a piece of the Berlin w=
all.

The world order changed, the cold war ended and the world seemed a safer pl=
ace and maybe for a while it was.  Terrorist attacks continued around the w=
orld and in various countries and still do.  So I guess this is the present=
.

The future seems less safe and so I wanted to write this e-mail.  My unders=
tanding is that lots of honest (not corrupt) and good countries are a frien=
d of the USA.  Also the good countries (think of NATO members as a starting=
 point) have the same common enemies as the USA does: Iran, North Korea, Ch=
ina (Peoples Republic of China) and Russia.  However I guess Iran and North=
 Korea actually hate the USA and would like to nuke it and maybe one day th=
ey will try to, but not bother with England/the UK or Europe or maybe just =
not have enough missiles to try to do so.

The Ukraine has been invaded in part by Russia and the only reason they hav=
en't been totally taken over is because they fought back and had help and s=
upport from the USA and Europe.  The Ukraine might be on their last legs bu=
t in a different way so is Russia and they have both paid a hefty price to =
date.

If you think back to my childhood where Europe was a willing buffer to help=
 keep the USSR at bay who targeted missiles (now ICBMs and sub delivered) a=
t the USA and Europe - it was a policy that worked.

So what I don't understand is why the USA would now be so friendly to Russi=
a.  Call the Ukraine a European problem and you might be right.  However, w=
hy be wholly on Russia's side who are propped up by North Korea who have un=
doubtedly gained money and most likely warfare expertise (nuclear and missi=
le technology)?  Once Russia have what they want and so does North Korea, i=
s the world a more dangerous place and is the USA less safe from rogue stat=
es than ever before?

Regards

Daniel

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[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 24, 2025 2:43 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Spridgets &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Spridgets] Past present and future- no LBC</font>
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<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi List,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I was born in the early 1960s in a rural part of the country and it se=
ems within walking distance of one of many nuclear missile stations here in=
 England.&nbsp; It was too soon for ICBMs so America had our friendly assis=
tance in siting short range nuclear missiles
 in our country and within striking range of the USSR - THOR (lots on YouTu=
be and the internet about THOR).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I was at school for the moon landings and only decades later visited t=
he place where Neil Armstrong's famous words&nbsp; were first heard.&nbsp; =
That place was not the USA but a British crown territory where the signal w=
as received and then sent onto the USA.&nbsp; The
 place was Ascension Island (at least one good fiction book was based on th=
e island...).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I was an enlisted serviceman in the RAF where I saw one of the last b&=
amp;w photos of a Russian bear that had been live intercepted by a fighter =
from my squadron.&nbsp; About the same time I saw a piece of rubbish concre=
te that arrived in the mail for a member
 of the squadron - it was a piece of the Berlin wall.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The world order changed, the cold war ended and the world seemed a saf=
er place and maybe for a while it was.&nbsp; Terrorist attacks continued ar=
ound the world and in various countries and still do.&nbsp; So I guess this=
 is the present.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The future seems less safe and so I wanted to write this e-mail.&nbsp;=
 My understanding is that lots of honest (not corrupt) and good countries a=
re a friend of the USA.&nbsp; Also the good countries (think of NATO member=
s as a starting point) have the same common
 enemies as the USA does: Iran, North Korea, China (Peoples Republic of Chi=
na) and Russia.&nbsp; However I guess Iran and North Korea actually hate th=
e USA and would like to nuke it and maybe one day they will try to, but not=
 bother with England/the UK or Europe
 or maybe just not have enough missiles to try to do so.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The Ukraine has been invaded in part by Russia and the only reason the=
y haven't been totally taken over is because they fought back and had help =
and support from the USA and Europe.&nbsp; The Ukraine might be on their la=
st legs but in a different way so is
 Russia and they have both paid a hefty price to date.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If you think back to my childhood where Europe was a willing buffer to=
 help keep the USSR at bay who targeted missiles (now ICBMs and sub deliver=
ed) at the USA and Europe - it was a policy that worked.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>So what I don't understand is why the USA would now be so friendly to =
Russia.&nbsp; Call the Ukraine a European problem and you might be right.&n=
bsp; However, why be wholly on Russia's side who are propped up by North Ko=
rea who have undoubtedly gained money and
 most likely warfare expertise (nuclear and missile technology)?&nbsp; Once=
 Russia have what they want and so does North Korea, is the world a more da=
ngerous place and is the USA less safe from rogue states than ever before?<=
/div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Daniel</div>
</div>
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From: John Farley via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2025 18:25:34 -0500

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I was born in 1947, so lived through the Cold War and hiding under our
desks in schools when the air raid tests were conducted.  I completely
agree with Nory.

On Mon, Feb 24, 2025 at 6:01=E2=80=AFPM David G via Spridgets <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> ------------------------------
> *From:* Spridgets <[email-masked]> on behalf of
> Weslake1330 via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Monday, February 24, 2025 2:43 PM
> *To:* Spridgets <[email-masked]>
>
> *Subject:* [Spridgets] Past present and future- no LBC
>
> Hi List,
>
> I was born in the early 1960s in a rural part of the country and it seems
> within walking distance of one of many nuclear missile stations here in
> England.  It was too soon for ICBMs so America had our friendly assistanc=
e
> in siting short range nuclear missiles in our country and within striking
> range of the USSR - THOR (lots on YouTube and the internet about THOR).
>
> I was at school for the moon landings and only decades later visited the
> place where Neil Armstrong's famous words  were first heard.  That place
> was not the USA but a British crown territory where the signal was receiv=
ed
> and then sent onto the USA.  The place was Ascension Island (at least one
> good fiction book was based on the island...).
>
> I was an enlisted serviceman in the RAF where I saw one of the last b&w
> photos of a Russian bear that had been live intercepted by a fighter from
> my squadron.  About the same time I saw a piece of rubbish concrete that
> arrived in the mail for a member of the squadron - it was a piece of the
> Berlin wall.
>
> The world order changed, the cold war ended and the world seemed a safer
> place and maybe for a while it was.  Terrorist attacks continued around t=
he
> world and in various countries and still do.  So I guess this is the
> present.
>
> The future seems less safe and so I wanted to write this e-mail.  My
> understanding is that lots of honest (not corrupt) and good countries are=
 a
> friend of the USA.  Also the good countries (think of NATO members as a
> starting point) have the same common enemies as the USA does: Iran, North
> Korea, China (Peoples Republic of China) and Russia.  However I guess Ira=
n
> and North Korea actually hate the USA and would like to nuke it and maybe
> one day they will try to, but not bother with England/the UK or Europe or
> maybe just not have enough missiles to try to do so.
>
> The Ukraine has been invaded in part by Russia and the only reason they
> haven't been totally taken over is because they fought back and had help
> and support from the USA and Europe.  The Ukraine might be on their last
> legs but in a different way so is Russia and they have both paid a hefty
> price to date.
>
> If you think back to my childhood where Europe was a willing buffer to
> help keep the USSR at bay who targeted missiles (now ICBMs and sub
> delivered) at the USA and Europe - it was a policy that worked.
>
> So what I don't understand is why the USA would now be so friendly to
> Russia.  Call the Ukraine a European problem and you might be right.
> However, why be wholly on Russia's side who are propped up by North Korea
> who have undoubtedly gained money and most likely warfare expertise
> (nuclear and missile technology)?  Once Russia have what they want and so
> does North Korea, is the world a more dangerous place and is the USA less
> safe from rogue states than ever before?
>
> Regards
>
>
> Daniel
> ------------------------
>
> [email-masked]
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<div dir=3D"auto">I was born in 1947, so lived through the Cold War and hid=
ing under our desks in schools when the air raid tests were conducted.=C2=
=A0 I completely agree with Nory.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr" clas=
s=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 24, 2025 at 6:01=E2=80=AFPM David G via Spridg=
ets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
t</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
You are not alone in being baffled</div>
<div id=3D"m_3898735308143715881appendonsend"></div>
<hr style=3D"display:inline-block;width:98%">
<div id=3D"m_3898735308143715881divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Ca=
libri, sans-serif" style=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> =
Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D=
"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; on behalf of Weslake1330 =
via Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bl=
ank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 24, 2025 2:43 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</font></div></div><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><div id=3D"m_3898735308143715881divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font face=
=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" style=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Spridgets] Past present and future- no LBC</font>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
</div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi List,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I was born in the early 1960s in a rural part of the country and it se=
ems within walking distance of one of many nuclear missile stations here in=
 England.=C2=A0 It was too soon for ICBMs so America had our friendly assis=
tance in siting short range nuclear missiles
 in our country and within striking range of the USSR - THOR (lots on YouTu=
be and the internet about THOR).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I was at school for the moon landings and only decades later visited t=
he place where Neil Armstrong&#39;s famous words=C2=A0 were first heard.=C2=
=A0 That place was not the USA but a British crown territory where the sign=
al was received and then sent onto the USA.=C2=A0 The
 place was Ascension Island (at least one good fiction book was based on th=
e island...).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I was an enlisted serviceman in the RAF where I saw one of the last b&=
amp;w photos of a Russian bear that had been live intercepted by a fighter =
from my squadron.=C2=A0 About the same time I saw a piece of rubbish concre=
te that arrived in the mail for a member
 of the squadron - it was a piece of the Berlin wall.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The world order changed, the cold war ended and the world seemed a saf=
er place and maybe for a while it was.=C2=A0 Terrorist attacks continued ar=
ound the world and in various countries and still do.=C2=A0 So I guess this=
 is the present.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The future seems less safe and so I wanted to write this e-mail.=C2=A0=
 My understanding is that lots of honest (not corrupt) and good countries a=
re a friend of the USA.=C2=A0 Also the good countries (think of NATO member=
s as a starting point) have the same common
 enemies as the USA does: Iran, North Korea, China (Peoples Republic of Chi=
na) and Russia.=C2=A0 However I guess Iran and North Korea actually hate th=
e USA and would like to nuke it and maybe one day they will try to, but not=
 bother with England/the UK or Europe
 or maybe just not have enough missiles to try to do so.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The Ukraine has been invaded in part by Russia and the only reason the=
y haven&#39;t been totally taken over is because they fought back and had h=
elp and support from the USA and Europe.=C2=A0 The Ukraine might be on thei=
r last legs but in a different way so is
 Russia and they have both paid a hefty price to date.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If you think back to my childhood where Europe was a willing buffer to=
 help keep the USSR at bay who targeted missiles (now ICBMs and sub deliver=
ed) at the USA and Europe - it was a policy that worked.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>So what I don&#39;t understand is why the USA would now be so friendly=
 to Russia.=C2=A0 Call the Ukraine a European problem and you might be righ=
t.=C2=A0 However, why be wholly on Russia&#39;s side who are propped up by =
North Korea who have undoubtedly gained money and
 most likely warfare expertise (nuclear and missile technology)?=C2=A0 Once=
 Russia have what they want and so does North Korea, is the world a more da=
ngerous place and is the USA less safe from rogue states than ever before?<=
/div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Daniel</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>

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From: Weslake1330 via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
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Hi David,

I guess the blessing for us both in being baffled is that we aren't leaders
of other nations, government departments and such that have to work out how
to respond or not and just have to remain baffled.

Regards

Daniel

On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 at 22:51, David G <[email-masked]> wrote:

> England.  It was too soon for ICBMs so America had our friendly assistance
> was not the USA but a British crown territory where the signal was received
> place and maybe for a while it was.  Terrorist attacks continued around the
> understanding is that lots of honest (not corrupt) and good countries are a
> Korea, China (Peoples Republic of China) and Russia.  However I guess Iran

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi David,<div><br></div><div>I guess the blessing for us b=
oth in being baffled is that we aren&#39;t leaders of other nations, govern=
ment departments and such that have to work out how to respond or not and j=
ust have to remain baffled.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div><br>=
</div><div>Daniel</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_cont=
ainer"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 at 22:51, =
David G &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a=
>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px=
 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><di=
v class=3D"msg-5502947191293797721">

<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div id=3D"m_-5502947191293797721appendonsend"></div>
<div id=3D"m_-5502947191293797721divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"C=
alibri, sans-serif" style=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b>=
 Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; on behalf of Weslake13=
30 via Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"=
_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>

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Hi John,

A long time ago I was a member of our national Civil Defence Force (The
Royal Observer Corp) and we had our own siren but only tested it very
occasionally (I am often tempted to buy one on eBay but not sure if I
tested it the police would come and lock me up and take it away).  Once a
week we would spend time in our local small bunker and learn our tasks and
occasionally we would have exercises and practice them.  I left the Corp to
join the RAF and about a decade late the Corps was disbanded - members, who
were all unpaid volunteers first heard this news in many cases when they
read about it in a national newspaper.

Regards

Daniel

On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 at 23:25, John Farley <[email-masked]> wrote:

>> I was born in the early 1960s in a rural part of the country and it seem=
s
>> England.  It was too soon for ICBMs so America had our friendly assistan=
ce
>> in siting short range nuclear missiles in our country and within strikin=
g
>> was not the USA but a British crown territory where the signal was recei=
ved
>> and then sent onto the USA.  The place was Ascension Island (at least on=
e
>> photos of a Russian bear that had been live intercepted by a fighter fro=
m
>> place and maybe for a while it was.  Terrorist attacks continued around =
the
>> understanding is that lots of honest (not corrupt) and good countries ar=
e a
>> starting point) have the same common enemies as the USA does: Iran, Nort=
h
>> Korea, China (Peoples Republic of China) and Russia.  However I guess Ir=
an
>> and North Korea actually hate the USA and would like to nuke it and mayb=
e
>> one day they will try to, but not bother with England/the UK or Europe o=
r
>> However, why be wholly on Russia's side who are propped up by North Kore=
a
>> (nuclear and missile technology)?  Once Russia have what they want and s=
o
>> does North Korea, is the world a more dangerous place and is the USA les=
s
>> safe from rogue states than ever before?

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi John,<div><br></div><div>A long time ago I was a member=
 of our national Civil Defence Force (The Royal Observer Corp) and we had o=
ur own siren but only tested it very occasionally (I am often tempted to bu=
y one on eBay but not sure if I tested it the police would come and lock me=
 up and take it away).=C2=A0 Once a week we would spend time in our local s=
mall bunker and learn our tasks and occasionally we would have exercises an=
d practice them.=C2=A0 I left the Corp to join the RAF and about a decade l=
ate the Corps was disbanded - members, who were all unpaid volunteers first=
 heard this news in many cases when they read about it in a national newspa=
per.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div><br></div><div>Daniel</div>=
</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
 class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 at 23:25, John Farley &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></d=
iv><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bord=
er-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">I wa=
s born in 1947, so lived through the Cold War and hiding under our desks in=
 schools when the air raid tests were conducted.=C2=A0 I completely agree w=
ith Nory.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote" dir=
=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 24, 2025 at 6:0=
1=E2=80=AFPM David G via Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
am.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">

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