Subject: Re: [Spridgets] No Fire -New Engine

From: Kevin Valentine via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2024 20:27:47 -0400

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Mark,

Here's something I wrote a few years ago, maybe it can help;

I always do checks for spark BEFORE I do the checks for Fuel delivery.  You
don't want any stray fuel vapors anywhere near an area where you will be
creating a spark.

Note;  More than once, I have witnessed an A-series distributor that has
dislodged itself from the hole in the engine block due to a distributor
clamp that was not tightened properly.  Checking to make sure the
distributor is held securely in the clamp would be well advised before you
check for other electrical problems.

Another important note;  Before you check electrical connections under the
bonnet of your car, MAKE CERTAIN YOU HAVE NO FUEL LEAKS.

To check for spark.  First check for spark at the points.  Remove the
distributor cap and watch the points while you turn the engine over with
the starter.  Make certain the ignition is switched on if you have a
separate switch for the ignition on your car.  If you can not see the
points while you are turning the engine over with the starter (you are by
yourself and have no one to help you),  switch on the ignition and flick
the points with a small screwdriver (or your finger) to see if you get a
spark when the points are separated.   If you have no spark at the points,
check for loose wires to the coil and/or distributor.   The problem may be
in the electrical wiring at your ignition switch.  You can hot-wire the
coil with a short piece of wire.  (I carry a jump wire with alligator clips
on each end).  On a negative ground car, connect the  jump wire to the
positive side of the coil and to the positive post on the battery and check
for spark at the points again.  If you still have no spark at the points,
the problem may either be the condenser or the coil.

If you have spark at the points, - next check for spark at one of the spark
plugs.  The easiest way to do this is to remove one of the spark plugs and
with the ignition wire for that spark plug wire attached to the plug, hold
the spark plug in contact with the engine and turn the engine with the
starter.  You should see a spark at the gap in the spark plug.  If you have
spark at the points but no spark at the plug you may have a faulty
distributor cap or rotor.  If you have a spark at the spark plug, it's time
to check for fuel supply.  Put the distributor cap back on and re-install
the spark plug.  You don't want any stray sparks while you are checking for
fuel supply.

To check for fuel delivery.  Disconnect the fuel line at the carburetor and
activate the fuel pump.  (On cars with electric pumps, turning on the
ignition will accomplish this.  On cars with mechanical fuel pumps you will
need to turn the engine with the starter).   If you have no fuel being
delivered at the fuel line you disconnected from the carb, you may either
be; out of fuel,  your fuel pump stopped working, or you have a blockage in
the tank or at the fuel filter.  Another possibility is a broken fuel line
between the tank and the engine.

Kevin V.
Tuscarora, Pa
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On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 8:18=E2=80=AFPM Mark Haynes via Spridgets <
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> Hey folks,
> I've gotten to the point of asking for thoughts on my new 948 engine.
> The specifics of the new engine are as follows:
> 948 .020, crowned pistons, 12G202 head milled 0.185" (touted to be a Dave
> Tabor head) Rimflow valves (1.25 I, 1.06 E), Vernier timing gear, SPVP3 c=
am
> timed to 102.5 degrees ATDC, Jeff Schlemmer 25D distributor, APT lifters,
> 1.3:1 rockers ,ceramic coated piston crowns and combustion chambers.
> I finally got it installed with the new Gerard Garage 5 Speed, and I have
> spark, Ignition timing is set per Jeff Schlemmer, compression (when
> cranking only) 125 psi in all cylinders, carbs are getting fuel.
> I get no Bang, Pop, Fart,nothing from the engine when trying to start,
> even with starting fluid (checking that it wasn't fuel delivery) or
> rotating the dizzy, I tried swapping plug wires to prove it wasn't igniti=
on
> 180 out or 1 & 4 wrong or 2 & 3 wrong.
> I brought in a friend who's a pro mechanic and he's as stumped as I am.
> I'm looking for any possibilities,
> Just to be sure, this is not even close to my first engine build nor my
> first 948 build. I know how to time cams and build engines, but this has =
me
> stumped and I feel really dumb, so I'm leaning on you all for some though=
ts
> and support.
> God, I wish Frank were still here, he'd have the answer in a flash.=F0=9F=
=A5=BA
> TIA,
> Mark Haynes
> It only goes one way- Pay It Forward
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Mark,<div><br></div><div><div class=3D"gmail-adn gmail-ads=
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=3D"ltr"><div>Here&#39;s something=C2=A0I wrote=C2=A0a few years ago, maybe=
 it can help;</div><div><br></div><div><div>I always do checks for spark BE=
FORE I do the checks for Fuel delivery.=C2=A0 You don&#39;t want any stray =
fuel vapors anywhere near an area where you will be creating a spark.</div>=
<div><br></div><div>Note; =C2=A0More than once, I have witnessed an A-serie=
s distributor that has dislodged itself from the hole in the engine block d=
ue to a distributor clamp that was not tightened properly.=C2=A0 Checking t=
o make sure the distributor is held securely in the clamp would be well adv=
ised before you check for other electrical problems.</div><div><br></div><d=
iv>Another important note; =C2=A0Before you check electrical connections un=
der the bonnet of your car,=C2=A0<font color=3D"#FF0000">MAKE CERTAIN YOU H=
AVE NO FUEL LEAKS</font>.</div><div><br></div><div>To check for spark.=C2=
=A0 First check for spark at the points.=C2=A0 Remove the distributor cap a=
nd watch the points while you turn the engine over with the starter.=C2=A0 =
Make certain the ignition is switched on if you have a separate switch for =
the ignition on your car.=C2=A0 If you can not see the points while you are=
 turning the engine over with the starter (you are by yourself and have no =
one to help you), =C2=A0switch on the ignition and flick the points with a =
small screwdriver (or your finger) to see if you get a spark when the point=
s are separated. =C2=A0 If you have no spark at the points, check for loose=
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ctrical wiring at your ignition switch.=C2=A0 You can hot-wire the coil wit=
h a short piece of wire. =C2=A0(I carry a jump wire with alligator clips on=
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the positive side of the coil and to the positive post on the battery and c=
heck for spark at the points again.=C2=A0 If you still have no spark at the=
 points, the problem may either be the condenser or=C2=A0the coil.</div><di=
v><br></div><div>If you have spark at the points, - next check for spark at=
 one of the spark plugs.=C2=A0 The easiest way to do this is to remove one =
of the spark plugs and with the ignition wire for that spark plug wire atta=
ched to the plug, hold the spark plug in contact with the engine and turn t=
he engine with the starter.=C2=A0 You should see a spark at the gap in the =
spark plug.=C2=A0 If you have spark at the points but no spark at the plug =
you may have a faulty distributor cap or rotor.=C2=A0 If you have a spark a=
t the spark plug, it&#39;s time to check for fuel supply.=C2=A0 Put the dis=
tributor cap back on and re-install the spark plug.=C2=A0 You don&#39;t wan=
t any stray sparks while you are checking for fuel supply.</div><div><br></=
div><div>To check for fuel delivery.=C2=A0 Disconnect the fuel line at the =
carburetor and activate the fuel pump. =C2=A0(On cars with electric pumps, =
turning on the ignition will accomplish this.=C2=A0 On cars with mechanical=
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ou have no fuel being delivered at the fuel line you disconnected from the =
carb, you may either be; out of fuel, =C2=A0your fuel pump stopped working,=
 or you have a blockage in the tank or at the fuel filter.=C2=A0 Another po=
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.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1=
ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hey folks,</div><div>I&#39;ve gotten to the point=
 of asking for thoughts on my new 948 engine.</div><div>The specifics of th=
e new engine are as follows:</div><div>948 .020, crowned pistons, 12G202 he=
ad milled 0.185&quot; (touted to be a Dave Tabor head) Rimflow valves (1.25=
 I, 1.06 E), Vernier timing gear, SPVP3 cam timed to 102.5 degrees ATDC, Je=
ff Schlemmer 25D distributor, APT lifters, 1.3:1 rockers ,ceramic coated
 piston crowns and combustion chambers.</div><div>I finally got it installe=
d with the new Gerard Garage 5 Speed, and I have spark, Ignition timing is =
set per Jeff Schlemmer, compression (when cranking only) 125 psi in all cyl=
inders, carbs are getting fuel.</div><div>I get no Bang, Pop, Fart,nothing =
from the engine when trying to start, even with starting fluid (checking th=
at it wasn&#39;t fuel delivery) or rotating the dizzy, I tried swapping plu=
g wires to prove it wasn&#39;t ignition 180 out or 1 &amp; 4 wrong or 2 &am=
p; 3 wrong. <br></div><div>I brought in a friend who&#39;s a pro mechanic a=
nd he&#39;s as stumped as I am. I&#39;m looking for any possibilities, <br>=
</div><div>Just to be sure, this is not even close to my first engine build=
 nor my first 948 build. I know how to time cams and build engines, but thi=
s has me stumped and I feel really dumb, so I&#39;m leaning on you all for =
some thoughts and support.</div><div>God, I wish Frank were still here, he&=
#39;d have the answer in a flash.=F0=9F=A5=BA<br></div><div>TIA,<br></div><=
div><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>M=
ark Haynes<br></div>It only goes one way- Pay It Forward<br></div></div></d=
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From: Jim Ryan via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
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Great write up Kevin.  I'm not clear why  you would go with the distributor
first and not plugs first.  If the plugs are sparking would that not mean
the distributor is working?

On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 8:31=E2=80=AFPM Kevin Valentine via Spridgets <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> I always do checks for spark BEFORE I do the checks for Fuel delivery.
> You don't want any stray fuel vapors anywhere near an area where you will
> be creating a spark.
>
> distributor is held securely in the clamp would be well advised before yo=
u
> Another important note;  Before you check electrical connections under th=
e
> spark when the points are separated.   If you have no spark at the points=
,
> check for loose wires to the coil and/or distributor.   The problem may b=
e
> coil with a short piece of wire.  (I carry a jump wire with alligator cli=
ps
> positive side of the coil and to the positive post on the battery and che=
ck
> If you have spark at the points, - next check for spark at one of the
> spark plugs.  The easiest way to do this is to remove one of the spark
> plugs and with the ignition wire for that spark plug wire attached to the
> plug, hold the spark plug in contact with the engine and turn the engine
> with the starter.  You should see a spark at the gap in the spark plug.  =
If
> you have spark at the points but no spark at the plug you may have a faul=
ty
> distributor cap or rotor.  If you have a spark at the spark plug, it's ti=
me
> the spark plug.  You don't want any stray sparks while you are checking f=
or
> fuel supply.
>
> To check for fuel delivery.  Disconnect the fuel line at the carburetor
> and activate the fuel pump.  (On cars with electric pumps, turning on the
> ignition will accomplish this.  On cars with mechanical fuel pumps you wi=
ll
> be; out of fuel,  your fuel pump stopped working, or you have a blockage =
in
> the tank or at the fuel filter.  Another possibility is a broken fuel lin=
e
>> 948 .020, crowned pistons, 12G202 head milled 0.185" (touted to be a Dav=
e
>> Tabor head) Rimflow valves (1.25 I, 1.06 E), Vernier timing gear, SPVP3 =
cam
>> timed to 102.5 degrees ATDC, Jeff Schlemmer 25D distributor, APT lifters=
,
>> I finally got it installed with the new Gerard Garage 5 Speed, and I hav=
e
>> rotating the dizzy, I tried swapping plug wires to prove it wasn't ignit=
ion
>> first 948 build. I know how to time cams and build engines, but this has=
 me
>> stumped and I feel really dumb, so I'm leaning on you all for some thoug=
hts
>> and support.
>> God, I wish Frank were still here, he'd have the answer in a flash.=F0=
=9F=A5=BA
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/[email-masked]
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Great write up Kevin.=C2=A0 I&#39;m not clear why=C2=A0 yo=
u would go with the distributor first and not plugs first.=C2=A0 If the plu=
gs are sparking would that not mean the distributor is working?</div><br><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul =
21, 2024 at 8:31=E2=80=AFPM Kevin Valentine via Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><=
/div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Mar=
k,<div><br></div><div><div style=3D"border-left:none;padding:0px;display:fl=
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ans-serif;font-size:medium"><div style=3D"margin:0px;min-width:0px;padding:=
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l;font-stretch:normal;font-size:small;line-height:1.5;font-family:Arial,Hel=
vetica,sans-serif;overflow:auto hidden"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Here&#39;s so=
mething=C2=A0I wrote=C2=A0a few years ago, maybe it can help;</div><div><br=
></div><div><div>I always do checks for spark BEFORE I do the checks for Fu=
el delivery.=C2=A0 You don&#39;t want any stray fuel vapors anywhere near a=
n area where you will be creating a spark.</div><div><br></div><div>Note; =
=C2=A0More than once, I have witnessed an A-series distributor that has dis=
lodged itself from the hole in the engine block due to a distributor clamp =
that was not tightened properly.=C2=A0 Checking to make sure the distributo=
r is held securely in the clamp would be well advised before you check for =
other electrical problems.</div><div><br></div><div>Another important note;=
 =C2=A0Before you check electrical connections under the bonnet of your car=
,=C2=A0<font color=3D"#FF0000">MAKE CERTAIN YOU HAVE NO FUEL LEAKS</font>.<=
/div><div><br></div><div>To check for spark.=C2=A0 First check for spark at=
 the points.=C2=A0 Remove the distributor cap and watch the points while yo=
u turn the engine over with the starter.=C2=A0 Make certain the ignition is=
 switched on if you have a separate switch for the ignition on your car.=C2=
=A0 If you can not see the points while you are turning the engine over wit=
h the starter (you are by yourself and have no one to help you), =C2=A0swit=
ch on the ignition and flick the points with a small screwdriver (or your f=
inger) to see if you get a spark when the points are separated. =C2=A0 If y=
ou have no spark at the points, check for loose wires to the coil and/or di=
stributor. =C2=A0 The problem may be in the electrical wiring at your ignit=
ion switch.=C2=A0 You can hot-wire the coil with a short piece of wire. =C2=
=A0(I carry a jump wire with alligator clips on each end).=C2=A0 On a negat=
ive ground car, connect the =C2=A0jump wire to the positive side of the coi=
l and to the positive post on the battery and check for spark at the points=
 again.=C2=A0 If you still have no spark at the points, the problem may eit=
her be the condenser or=C2=A0the coil.</div><div><br></div><div>If you have=
 spark at the points, - next check for spark at one of the spark plugs.=C2=
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spark plug in contact with the engine and turn the engine with the starter.=
=C2=A0 You should see a spark at the gap in the spark plug.=C2=A0 If you ha=
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time to check for fuel supply.=C2=A0 Put the distributor cap back on and re=
-install the spark plug.=C2=A0 You don&#39;t want any stray sparks while yo=
u are checking for fuel supply.</div><div><br></div><div>To check for fuel =
delivery.=C2=A0 Disconnect the fuel line at the carburetor and activate the=
 fuel pump. =C2=A0(On cars with electric pumps, turning on the ignition wil=
l accomplish this.=C2=A0 On cars with mechanical fuel pumps you will need t=
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ned pistons, 12G202 head milled 0.185&quot; (touted to be a Dave Tabor head=
) Rimflow valves (1.25 I, 1.06 E), Vernier timing gear, SPVP3 cam timed to =
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inders, carbs are getting fuel.</div><div>I get no Bang, Pop, Fart,nothing =
from the engine when trying to start, even with starting fluid (checking th=
at it wasn&#39;t fuel delivery) or rotating the dizzy, I tried swapping plu=
g wires to prove it wasn&#39;t ignition 180 out or 1 &amp; 4 wrong or 2 &am=
p; 3 wrong. <br></div><div>I brought in a friend who&#39;s a pro mechanic a=
nd he&#39;s as stumped as I am. I&#39;m looking for any possibilities, <br>=
</div><div>Just to be sure, this is not even close to my first engine build=
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s has me stumped and I feel really dumb, so I&#39;m leaning on you all for =
some thoughts and support.</div><div>God, I wish Frank were still here, he&=
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Jim,

Yep, that would be correct.  I check the points first because it's easier
to check for spark at the distributor cap than it is to pull a plug (no
tools required).    Although, it is best to check spark at the plugs first
if you have electronic ignition ;)

Kevin V.
Tuscarora, Pa

On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 9:57=E2=80=AFAM Jim Ryan <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Great write up Kevin.  I'm not clear why  you would go with the
> distributor first and not plugs first.  If the plugs are sparking would
> that not mean the distributor is working?
>
>> You don't want any stray fuel vapors anywhere near an area where you wil=
l
>> distributor is held securely in the clamp would be well advised before y=
ou
>> Another important note;  Before you check electrical connections under
>> the bonnet of your car, MAKE CERTAIN YOU HAVE NO FUEL LEAKS.
>>
>> points while you are turning the engine over with the starter (you are b=
y
>> spark when the points are separated.   If you have no spark at the point=
s,
>> check for loose wires to the coil and/or distributor.   The problem may =
be
>> coil with a short piece of wire.  (I carry a jump wire with alligator cl=
ips
>> positive side of the coil and to the positive post on the battery and ch=
eck
>> for spark at the points again.  If you still have no spark at the points=
,
>> plugs and with the ignition wire for that spark plug wire attached to th=
e
 If
>> you have spark at the points but no spark at the plug you may have a fau=
lty
>> distributor cap or rotor.  If you have a spark at the spark plug, it's t=
ime
>> to check for fuel supply.  Put the distributor cap back on and re-instal=
l
>> the spark plug.  You don't want any stray sparks while you are checking =
for
>> and activate the fuel pump.  (On cars with electric pumps, turning on th=
e
>> ignition will accomplish this.  On cars with mechanical fuel pumps you w=
ill
>> delivered at the fuel line you disconnected from the carb, you may eithe=
r
>> be; out of fuel,  your fuel pump stopped working, or you have a blockage=
 in
>> the tank or at the fuel filter.  Another possibility is a broken fuel li=
ne
>>> 948 .020, crowned pistons, 12G202 head milled 0.185" (touted to be a
>>> Dave Tabor head) Rimflow valves (1.25 I, 1.06 E), Vernier timing gear,
>>> SPVP3 cam timed to 102.5 degrees ATDC, Jeff Schlemmer 25D distributor, =
APT
>>> lifters, 1.3:1 rockers ,ceramic coated piston crowns and combustion
>>> chambers.
>>> I finally got it installed with the new Gerard Garage 5 Speed, and I
>>> have spark, Ignition timing is set per Jeff Schlemmer, compression (whe=
n
>>> rotating the dizzy, I tried swapping plug wires to prove it wasn't igni=
tion
>>> first 948 build. I know how to time cams and build engines, but this ha=
s me
>>> stumped and I feel really dumb, so I'm leaning on you all for some thou=
ghts
=9F=A5=BA
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Jim,<div><br></div><div>Yep, that would be correct.=C2=A0 =
I check the points first because it&#39;s easier to check for spark at the =
distributor cap than it is to pull a plug (no tools required).=C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 Although, it is best to check spark at the plugs first if you have electro=
nic ignition ;)</div><div><br></div><div>Kevin V.</div><div>Tuscarora, Pa</=
div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_at=
tr">On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 9:57=E2=80=AFAM Jim Ryan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid r=
gb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Great write up Kevin.=C2=
=A0 I&#39;m not clear why=C2=A0 you would go with the distributor first and=
 not plugs first.=C2=A0 If the plugs are sparking would that not mean the d=
istributor is working?</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
 class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 8:31=E2=80=AFPM Kevin Valenti=
ne via Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"=
_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg=
b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Mark,<div><br></div><div>=
<div style=3D"border-left:none;padding:0px;display:flex;font-family:&quot;G=
oogle Sans&quot;,Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:me=
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ont-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;overflow:auto hidden"><div dir=3D"ltr=
"><div>Here&#39;s something=C2=A0I wrote=C2=A0a few years ago, maybe it can=
 help;</div><div><br></div><div><div>I always do checks for spark BEFORE I =
do the checks for Fuel delivery.=C2=A0 You don&#39;t want any stray fuel va=
pors anywhere near an area where you will be creating a spark.</div><div><b=
r></div><div>Note; =C2=A0More than once, I have witnessed an A-series distr=
ibutor that has dislodged itself from the hole in the engine block due to a=
 distributor clamp that was not tightened properly.=C2=A0 Checking to make =
sure the distributor is held securely in the clamp would be well advised be=
fore you check for other electrical problems.</div><div><br></div><div>Anot=
her important note; =C2=A0Before you check electrical connections under the=
 bonnet of your car,=C2=A0<font color=3D"#FF0000">MAKE CERTAIN YOU HAVE NO =
FUEL LEAKS</font>.</div><div><br></div><div>To check for spark.=C2=A0 First=
 check for spark at the points.=C2=A0 Remove the distributor cap and watch =
the points while you turn the engine over with the starter.=C2=A0 Make cert=
ain the ignition is switched on if you have a separate switch for the ignit=
ion on your car.=C2=A0 If you can not see the points while you are turning =
the engine over with the starter (you are by yourself and have no one to he=
lp you), =C2=A0switch on the ignition and flick the points with a small scr=
ewdriver (or your finger) to see if you get a spark when the points are sep=
arated. =C2=A0 If you have no spark at the points, check for loose wires to=
 the coil and/or distributor. =C2=A0 The problem may be in the electrical w=
iring at your ignition switch.=C2=A0 You can hot-wire the coil with a short=
 piece of wire. =C2=A0(I carry a jump wire with alligator clips on each end=
).=C2=A0 On a negative ground car, connect the =C2=A0jump wire to the posit=
ive side of the coil and to the positive post on the battery and check for =
spark at the points again.=C2=A0 If you still have no spark at the points, =
the problem may either be the condenser or=C2=A0the coil.</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>If you have spark at the points, - next check for spark at one of t=
he spark plugs.=C2=A0 The easiest way to do this is to remove one of the sp=
ark plugs and with the ignition wire for that spark plug wire attached to t=
he plug, hold the spark plug in contact with the engine and turn the engine=
 with the starter.=C2=A0 You should see a spark at the gap in the spark plu=
g.=C2=A0 If you have spark at the points but no spark at the plug you may h=
ave a faulty distributor cap or rotor.=C2=A0 If you have a spark at the spa=
rk plug, it&#39;s time to check for fuel supply.=C2=A0 Put the distributor =
cap back on and re-install the spark plug.=C2=A0 You don&#39;t want any str=
ay sparks while you are checking for fuel supply.</div><div><br></div><div>=
To check for fuel delivery.=C2=A0 Disconnect the fuel line at the carbureto=
r and activate the fuel pump. =C2=A0(On cars with electric pumps, turning o=
n the ignition will accomplish this.=C2=A0 On cars with mechanical fuel pum=
ps you will need to turn the engine with the starter). =C2=A0 If you have n=
o fuel being delivered at the fuel line you disconnected from the carb, you=
 may either be; out of fuel, =C2=A0your fuel pump stopped working, or you h=
ave a blockage in the tank or at the fuel filter.=C2=A0 Another possibility=
 is a broken fuel line between the tank and the engine.</div><div></div><di=
v><br></div></div><div><br></div><div>Kevin V.</div><div>Tuscarora, Pa</div=
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il_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,2=
04,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hey folks,</div><div>I&#39;=
ve gotten to the point of asking for thoughts on my new 948 engine.</div><d=
iv>The specifics of the new engine are as follows:</div><div>948 .020, crow=
ned pistons, 12G202 head milled 0.185&quot; (touted to be a Dave Tabor head=
) Rimflow valves (1.25 I, 1.06 E), Vernier timing gear, SPVP3 cam timed to =
102.5 degrees ATDC, Jeff Schlemmer 25D distributor, APT lifters, 1.3:1 rock=
ers ,ceramic coated
 piston crowns and combustion chambers.</div><div>I finally got it installe=
d with the new Gerard Garage 5 Speed, and I have spark, Ignition timing is =
set per Jeff Schlemmer, compression (when cranking only) 125 psi in all cyl=
inders, carbs are getting fuel.</div><div>I get no Bang, Pop, Fart,nothing =
from the engine when trying to start, even with starting fluid (checking th=
at it wasn&#39;t fuel delivery) or rotating the dizzy, I tried swapping plu=
g wires to prove it wasn&#39;t ignition 180 out or 1 &amp; 4 wrong or 2 &am=
p; 3 wrong. <br></div><div>I brought in a friend who&#39;s a pro mechanic a=
nd he&#39;s as stumped as I am. I&#39;m looking for any possibilities, <br>=
</div><div>Just to be sure, this is not even close to my first engine build=
 nor my first 948 build. I know how to time cams and build engines, but thi=
s has me stumped and I feel really dumb, so I&#39;m leaning on you all for =
some thoughts and support.</div><div>God, I wish Frank were still here, he&=
#39;d have the answer in a flash.=F0=9F=A5=BA<br></div><div>TIA,<br></div><=
div><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>M=
ark Haynes<br></div>It only goes one way- Pay It Forward<br></div></div></d=
iv></div></div>
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gnature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature"><d=
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