Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Electrical help-Alternator conversion

From: Greg Gowins via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2024 14:41:43 +0000

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Hey Mark!

I'm looking back through my notes from when we wired the alternator into my
car.  I'm assuming that the fundamentals between the one you have and the
one I have are fairly similar.    However, the 3rd wire is the main
difference.   I'd try it both ways, with it connected to switched power and
without.  This particular alternator might have some kind of circuit that
cuts everything off if it doesn't sense ignition power.    Do you happen to
have the part number of this alternator handy?

Greg

On Fri, Mar 1, 2024 at 11:42=E2=80=AFAM Mark Haynes via Spridgets <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> I'm sliding down this slippery slope of modification and need some help.
> I'm trying to put a ND 3 wire alternator into my BE. It's already
> converted to Negative ground and I'm intending on rewiring the regulator
> per Barney Gaylord to just use it as a terminal block.
> Here's the issue, the alternator has a Battery Positive Sense (S)
> terminal, a Keyed Battery Ignition (I) terminal and an Indicator Light (L=
)
> terminal.
> I'm assuming that the S terminal should get the 'fat' brown wire that use=
d
> to go to the D terminal on the regulator (new placement the A terminal
> after rewiring), and that the L terminal goes to the small yellow wire to
> feed power to shut off the charge light.
> Do I need to wire the I terminal (Keyed battery ignition) so that it sees
> power when the ignition switch is on (the white wire at A1 of the
> regulator), or is this redundant and unnecessary?
> TIA, the new engine/5 speed/speedhut tach & speedo are all coming togethe=
r
> to drive this spring!
> Mark Haynes
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hey Mark!<div><br></div><div>I&#39;m looking back through =
my notes from when we wired the alternator into my car.=C2=A0 I&#39;m assum=
ing that the fundamentals between the one you have and the one I have are f=
airly similar.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 However, the 3rd wire is the main difference.=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0I&#39;d try it both ways, with it connected to switched power =
and without.=C2=A0 This particular alternator might have some kind of circu=
it that cuts everything off if it doesn&#39;t sense ignition=C2=A0power.=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 Do you happen to have the part number of this alternator handy?<=
/div><div><br></div><div>Greg</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><di=
v dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Mar 1, 2024 at 11:42=E2=80=AFAM =
Mark Haynes via Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">s=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,=
204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I&#39;m sliding down this slip=
pery slope of modification and need some help.</div><div>I&#39;m trying to =
put a ND 3 wire alternator into my BE. It&#39;s already converted to Negati=
ve ground and I&#39;m intending on rewiring the regulator per Barney Gaylor=
d to just use it as a terminal block.</div><div>Here&#39;s the issue, the a=
lternator has a Battery Positive Sense (S) terminal, a Keyed Battery Igniti=
on (I) terminal and an Indicator Light (L) terminal. <br></div><div>I&#39;m=
 assuming that the S terminal should get the &#39;fat&#39; brown wire that =
used to go to the D terminal on the regulator (new placement the A terminal=
 after rewiring), and that the L terminal goes to the small yellow wire to =
feed power to shut off the charge light. <br></div><div>Do I need to wire t=
he I terminal (Keyed battery ignition) so that it sees power when the ignit=
ion switch is on (the white wire at A1 of the regulator), or is this redund=
ant and unnecessary?</div><div>TIA, the new engine/5 speed/speedhut tach &a=
mp; speedo are all coming together to drive this spring!<br></div><div><div=
><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Mark Hayn=
es<br></div>It only goes one way- Pay It Forward<br></div></div></div></div=
></div>
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From: Mark Haynes via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2024 09:25:16 -0700

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No Greg,
I don't have a part number, but Jim and Kevin's input has helped.
It appears that the I terminal needs switched 12V, the L terminal is the
charge lamp signal, and the S terminal gets battery 12V along with the B+.
There was a thread on the MGB forum about this same ND alternator
highlighting that if the S terminal isn't seeing battery voltage, you don't
get full 14+V output, so I've wired it to the B+ terminal as well.
This was supposed to be a 1 wire alternator, but it's what I've got, so I'm
working it out.
Thanks to everyone who has offered input.
I'll report back about this after I finish the rest of my mod adaptations
and get it running.

On Wed, Mar 6, 2024, 7:41=E2=80=AFAM Greg Gowins <[email-masked]> w=
rote:

> Hey Mark!
>
> I'm looking back through my notes from when we wired the alternator into
> my car.  I'm assuming that the fundamentals between the one you have and
> the one I have are fairly similar.    However, the 3rd wire is the main
> difference.   I'd try it both ways, with it connected to switched power a=
nd
> cuts everything off if it doesn't sense ignition power.    Do you happen =
to
>> terminal, a Keyed Battery Ignition (I) terminal and an Indicator Light (=
L)
>> terminal.
>> I'm assuming that the S terminal should get the 'fat' brown wire that
>> used to go to the D terminal on the regulator (new placement the A termi=
nal
>> after rewiring), and that the L terminal goes to the small yellow wire t=
o
>> Do I need to wire the I terminal (Keyed battery ignition) so that it see=
s
>> TIA, the new engine/5 speed/speedhut tach & speedo are all coming
>> together to drive this spring!
>> Mark Haynes

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<div dir=3D"auto">No Greg,=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto">I don&#39;t have a part n=
umber, but Jim and Kevin&#39;s input has helped.</div><div dir=3D"auto">It =
appears that the I terminal needs switched 12V, the L terminal is the charg=
e lamp signal, and the S terminal gets battery 12V along with the B+.</div>=
<div dir=3D"auto">There was a thread on the MGB forum about this same ND al=
ternator highlighting that if the S terminal isn&#39;t seeing battery volta=
ge, you don&#39;t get full 14+V output, so I&#39;ve wired it to the B+ term=
inal as well.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto">This was supposed to be a 1 wire=
 alternator, but it&#39;s what I&#39;ve got, so I&#39;m working it out.=C2=
=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto">Thanks to everyone who has offered input.=C2=A0<=
/div><div dir=3D"auto">I&#39;ll report back about this after I finish the r=
est of my mod adaptations and get it running.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto">=
<br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 6, 2024, 7:41=E2=80=AFAM =
Greg Gowins &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">emailme@greggowin=
s.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"ma=
rgin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"lt=
r">Hey Mark!<div><br></div><div>I&#39;m looking back through my notes from =
when we wired the alternator into my car.=C2=A0 I&#39;m assuming that the f=
undamentals between the one you have and the one I have are fairly similar.=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 However, the 3rd wire is the main difference.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I&#=
39;d try it both ways, with it connected to switched power and without.=C2=
=A0 This particular alternator might have some kind of circuit that cuts ev=
erything off if it doesn&#39;t sense ignition=C2=A0power.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Do y=
ou happen to have the part number of this alternator handy?</div><div><br><=
/div><div>Greg</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" c=
lass=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Mar 1, 2024 at 11:42=E2=80=AFAM Mark Haynes via=
 Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank=
" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:=
1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I&#39;m =
sliding down this slippery slope of modification and need some help.</div><=
div>I&#39;m trying to put a ND 3 wire alternator into my BE. It&#39;s alrea=
dy converted to Negative ground and I&#39;m intending on rewiring the regul=
ator per Barney Gaylord to just use it as a terminal block.</div><div>Here&=
#39;s the issue, the alternator has a Battery Positive Sense (S) terminal, =
a Keyed Battery Ignition (I) terminal and an Indicator Light (L) terminal. =
<br></div><div>I&#39;m assuming that the S terminal should get the &#39;fat=
&#39; brown wire that used to go to the D terminal on the regulator (new pl=
acement the A terminal after rewiring), and that the L terminal goes to the=
 small yellow wire to feed power to shut off the charge light. <br></div><d=
iv>Do I need to wire the I terminal (Keyed battery ignition) so that it see=
s power when the ignition switch is on (the white wire at A1 of the regulat=
or), or is this redundant and unnecessary?</div><div>TIA, the new engine/5 =
speed/speedhut tach &amp; speedo are all coming together to drive this spri=
ng!<br></div><div><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><div>Mark Haynes<br></div>It only goes one way- Pay It Forward<br>=
</div></div></div></div></div>
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From: Michael MacLean via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2024 23:51:06 -0800

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Frank Clarici from the Spridget list had this figured out years ago. See
attached PDF from the old PDLJMPR web magazine.

Mike MacLean

On Wed, Mar 6, 2024 at 1:20=E2=80=AFPM Mark Haynes via Spridgets <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> charge lamp signal, and the S terminal gets battery 12V along with the B+=
.
> highlighting that if the S terminal isn't seeing battery voltage, you don=
't
> This was supposed to be a 1 wire alternator, but it's what I've got, so
> I'm working it out.
> On Wed, Mar 6, 2024, 7:41=E2=80=AFAM Greg Gowins <[email-masked]>=
 wrote:
>> difference.   I'd try it both ways, with it connected to switched power =
and
>> without.  This particular alternator might have some kind of circuit tha=
t
>> cuts everything off if it doesn't sense ignition power.    Do you happen=
 to
>>> I'm sliding down this slippery slope of modification and need some help=
.
>>> converted to Negative ground and I'm intending on rewiring the regulato=
r
>>> terminal, a Keyed Battery Ignition (I) terminal and an Indicator Light =
(L)
>>> used to go to the D terminal on the regulator (new placement the A term=
inal
>>> after rewiring), and that the L terminal goes to the small yellow wire =
to
>>> Do I need to wire the I terminal (Keyed battery ignition) so that it
>>> sees power when the ignition switch is on (the white wire at A1 of the
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Frank Clarici from the Spridget list had this figured=
 out years ago. See attached PDF from the old PDLJMPR web magazine.</div><d=
iv><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Mike MacLean<br></div><div>=
<br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"l=
tr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 6, 2024 at 1:20=E2=80=AFPM Mark Haynes=
 via Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_b=
lank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D=
"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(2=
04,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">No Greg,=C2=A0<div dir=3D"a=
uto">I don&#39;t have a part number, but Jim and Kevin&#39;s input has help=
ed.</div><div dir=3D"auto">It appears that the I terminal needs switched 12=
V, the L terminal is the charge lamp signal, and the S terminal gets batter=
y 12V along with the B+.</div><div dir=3D"auto">There was a thread on the M=
GB forum about this same ND alternator highlighting that if the S terminal =
isn&#39;t seeing battery voltage, you don&#39;t get full 14+V output, so I&=
#39;ve wired it to the B+ terminal as well.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto">Th=
is was supposed to be a 1 wire alternator, but it&#39;s what I&#39;ve got, =
so I&#39;m working it out.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto">Thanks to everyone =
who has offered input.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto">I&#39;ll report back ab=
out this after I finish the rest of my mod adaptations and get it running.=
=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div></div><=
br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed,=
 Mar 6, 2024, 7:41=E2=80=AFAM Greg Gowins &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:emailme@gre=
ggowins.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></d=
iv><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bord=
er-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hey M=
ark!<div><br></div><div>I&#39;m looking back through my notes from when we =
wired the alternator into my car.=C2=A0 I&#39;m assuming that the fundament=
als between the one you have and the one I have are fairly similar.=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 However, the 3rd wire is the main difference.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I&#39;d tr=
y it both ways, with it connected to switched power and without.=C2=A0 This=
 particular alternator might have some kind of circuit that cuts everything=
 off if it doesn&#39;t sense ignition=C2=A0power.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Do you happe=
n to have the part number of this alternator handy?</div><div><br></div><di=
v>Greg</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"=
gmail_attr">On Fri, Mar 1, 2024 at 11:42=E2=80=AFAM Mark Haynes via Spridge=
ts &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer" targe=
t=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px soli=
d rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I&#39;m sliding =
down this slippery slope of modification and need some help.</div><div>I&#3=
9;m trying to put a ND 3 wire alternator into my BE. It&#39;s already conve=
rted to Negative ground and I&#39;m intending on rewiring the regulator per=
 Barney Gaylord to just use it as a terminal block.</div><div>Here&#39;s th=
e issue, the alternator has a Battery Positive Sense (S) terminal, a Keyed =
Battery Ignition (I) terminal and an Indicator Light (L) terminal. <br></di=
v><div>I&#39;m assuming that the S terminal should get the &#39;fat&#39; br=
own wire that used to go to the D terminal on the regulator (new placement =
the A terminal after rewiring), and that the L terminal goes to the small y=
ellow wire to feed power to shut off the charge light. <br></div><div>Do I =
need to wire the I terminal (Keyed battery ignition) so that it sees power =
when the ignition switch is on (the white wire at A1 of the regulator), or =
is this redundant and unnecessary?</div><div>TIA, the new engine/5 speed/sp=
eedhut tach &amp; speedo are all coming together to drive this spring!<br><=
/div><div><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr">=
<div>Mark Haynes<br></div>It only goes one way- Pay It Forward<br></div></d=
iv></div></div></div>
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From: David G via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2024 17:47:36 +0000

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This is the best/clearest explanation of how it works that I've found. I th=
ink it will answer your questions.
Dave

http://www.madelectrical.com/electricaltech/remotevoltagesensing.shtml

http://www.madelectrical.com/electricaltech/onewire-threewire.shtml
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Sent: Friday, March 1, 2024 11:42 AM
To: Spridgets list <[email-masked]>
Subject: [Spridgets] Electrical help-Alternator conversion

I'm sliding down this slippery slope of modification and need some help.
I'm trying to put a ND 3 wire alternator into my BE. It's already converted=
 to Negative ground and I'm intending on rewiring the regulator per Barney =
Gaylord to just use it as a terminal block.
Here's the issue, the alternator has a Battery Positive Sense (S) terminal,=
 a Keyed Battery Ignition (I) terminal and an Indicator Light (L) terminal.
I'm assuming that the S terminal should get the 'fat' brown wire that used =
to go to the D terminal on the regulator (new placement the A terminal afte=
r rewiring), and that the L terminal goes to the small yellow wire to feed =
power to shut off the charge light.
Do I need to wire the I terminal (Keyed battery ignition) so that it sees p=
ower when the ignition switch is on (the white wire at A1 of the regulator)=
, or is this redundant and unnecessary?
TIA, the new engine/5 speed/speedhut tach & speedo are all coming together =
to drive this spring!
Mark Haynes
It only goes one way- Pay It Forward

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yle=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> Spridgets &lt;spridge=
[email-masked]&gt; on behalf of Mark Haynes via Spridgets &lt;sp=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 1, 2024 11:42 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Spridgets list &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Spridgets] Electrical help-Alternator conversion</font>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
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<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div>I'm sliding down this slippery slope of modification and need some hel=
p.</div>
<div>I'm trying to put a ND 3 wire alternator into my BE. It's already conv=
erted to Negative ground and I'm intending on rewiring the regulator per Ba=
rney Gaylord to just use it as a terminal block.</div>
<div>Here's the issue, the alternator has a Battery Positive Sense (S) term=
inal, a Keyed Battery Ignition (I) terminal and an Indicator Light (L) term=
inal.
<br>
</div>
<div>I'm assuming that the S terminal should get the 'fat' brown wire that =
used to go to the D terminal on the regulator (new placement the A terminal=
 after rewiring), and that the L terminal goes to the small yellow wire to =
feed power to shut off the charge
 light. <br>
</div>
<div>Do I need to wire the I terminal (Keyed battery ignition) so that it s=
ees power when the ignition switch is on (the white wire at A1 of the regul=
ator), or is this redundant and unnecessary?</div>
<div>TIA, the new engine/5 speed/speedhut tach &amp; speedo are all coming =
together to drive this spring!<br>
</div>
<div>
<div>
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From: Mark Haynes via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
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Thanks David,
That explained a lot, now I'll have to change out the wiring for the
'Sense' terminal to get the alternator to give the battery a full 14.2V.
Now that I know, it makes more 'Sense' =F0=9F=98=86
Mark Haynes
It only goes one way- Pay It Forward

On Fri, Mar 8, 2024 at 10:47=E2=80=AFAM David G <[email-masked]> wrot=
e:

> This is the best/clearest explanation of how it works that I've found. I
> think it will answer your questions.
> Dave
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Spridgets <[email-masked]> on behalf of Mark
> Haynes via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Friday, March 1, 2024 11:42 AM
> *To:* Spridgets list <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* [Spridgets] Electrical help-Alternator conversion
>
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> It only goes one way- Pay It Forward

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Thanks David,</div><div>That explained a lot, now I&#=
39;ll have to change out the wiring for the &#39;Sense&#39; terminal to get=
 the alternator to give the battery a full 14.2V.</div><div>Now that I know=
, it makes more &#39;Sense&#39; =F0=9F=98=86<br></div><div><div><div dir=3D=
"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><div>Mark Haynes<br></div>It only goes one way- Pay It Forward<br>=
</div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Mar 8, 2024 at 10:47=E2=80=AFAM David=
 G &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px =
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div cla=
ss=3D"msg-7799878988756392571">

<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
This is the best/clearest explanation of how it works that I&#39;ve found. =
I think it will answer your questions.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
Dave</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><a href=3D"http://www.madelectrical.com/electricaltech/r=
emotevoltagesensing.shtml" id=3D"m_-7799878988756392571LPlnk482538" target=
=3D"_blank">http://www.madelectrical.com/electricaltech/remotevoltagesensin=
g.shtml</a></span></div>
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;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
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;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><a href=3D"http://www.madelectrical.com/electricaltech/o=
newire-threewire.shtml" target=3D"_blank">http://www.madelectrical.com/elec=
tricaltech/onewire-threewire.shtml</a></span></div>
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alibri, sans-serif" style=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b>=
 Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; on behalf of Mark Hayn=
es via Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"=
_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 1, 2024 11:42 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Spridgets list &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" t=
arget=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Spridgets] Electrical help-Alternator conversion</font>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
</div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div>I&#39;m sliding down this slippery slope of modification and need some=
 help.</div>
<div>I&#39;m trying to put a ND 3 wire alternator into my BE. It&#39;s alre=
ady converted to Negative ground and I&#39;m intending on rewiring the regu=
lator per Barney Gaylord to just use it as a terminal block.</div>
<div>Here&#39;s the issue, the alternator has a Battery Positive Sense (S) =
terminal, a Keyed Battery Ignition (I) terminal and an Indicator Light (L) =
terminal.
<br>
</div>
<div>I&#39;m assuming that the S terminal should get the &#39;fat&#39; brow=
n wire that used to go to the D terminal on the regulator (new placement th=
e A terminal after rewiring), and that the L terminal goes to the small yel=
low wire to feed power to shut off the charge
 light. <br>
</div>
<div>Do I need to wire the I terminal (Keyed battery ignition) so that it s=
ees power when the ignition switch is on (the white wire at A1 of the regul=
ator), or is this redundant and unnecessary?</div>
<div>TIA, the new engine/5 speed/speedhut tach &amp; speedo are all coming =
together to drive this spring!<br>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div>Mark Haynes<br>
</div>
It only goes one way- Pay It Forward<br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>

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Hi Mike and all Spridigeteers,
It was nice to see this pdf with Frank's post regarding converting our
Spridgets to alternators as I may do this same in the future buy my 1275 in
my 62 deep pink Sprite is still running stock for now. My question is, who
is running the PDLJMPR (known as "Puddle Jumper'') web magazine?
https://pdljmpr.tripod.com/contents.htm. I was surprised to see it still up
and running. My second question is, who is running "Sprite Spot" as the
photos are long gone for many years but some elements still remain
although unsecured, http://www.spritespot.com.
Happy and safe motoring,
Linda
62 California Sprite "Pinky"

On Thu, Mar 7, 2024 at 3:06=E2=80=AFAM Michael MacLean via Spridgets <
[email-masked]> wrote:

>> charge lamp signal, and the S terminal gets battery 12V along with the B=
+.
>> highlighting that if the S terminal isn't seeing battery voltage, you do=
n't
>> I'll report back about this after I finish the rest of my mod adaptation=
s
>> and get it running.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 6, 2024, 7:41=E2=80=AFAM Greg Gowins <[email-masked]=
> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Mark!
>>>
>>> I'm looking back through my notes from when we wired the alternator int=
o
>>> my car.  I'm assuming that the fundamentals between the one you have an=
d
>>> difference.   I'd try it both ways, with it connected to switched power=
 and
>>> without.  This particular alternator might have some kind of circuit th=
at
>>> cuts everything off if it doesn't sense ignition power.    Do you happe=
n to
>>>> I'm sliding down this slippery slope of modification and need some hel=
p.
>>>> converted to Negative ground and I'm intending on rewiring the regulat=
or
>>>> terminal, a Keyed Battery Ignition (I) terminal and an Indicator Light=
 (L)
>>>> used to go to the D terminal on the regulator (new placement the A ter=
minal
>>>> after rewiring), and that the L terminal goes to the small yellow wire=
 to
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/[email-masked]=
m
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/[email-masked]
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Mike and all Spridigeteers,<div>It was nice to see this=
 pdf with Frank&#39;s post regarding converting our Spridgets to alternator=
s as I may do this same in the future buy my 1275 in my 62 deep pink Sprite=
 is still running stock for now. My question is, who is running the PDLJMPR=
=C2=A0(known as &quot;Puddle Jumper&#39;&#39;) web magazine? =C2=A0<a href=
=3D"https://pdljmpr.tripod.com/contents.htm">https://pdljmpr.tripod.com/con=
tents.htm</a>. I was surprised=C2=A0to see it still up and running. My seco=
nd question is, who is running &quot;Sprite Spot&quot; as the photos are lo=
ng gone for many years but some elements still remain although=C2=A0unsecur=
ed,=C2=A0<a href=3D"http://www.spritespot.com">http://www.spritespot.com</a=
>.</div><div>Happy and safe motoring,</div><div>Linda</div><div>62 Californ=
ia Sprite &quot;Pinky&quot;</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Mar 7, 2024 at 3:06=E2=80=AFAM Mic=
hael MacLean via Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left=
-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><div>Frank Clarici from the Spridget list had this figured out yea=
rs ago. See attached PDF from the old PDLJMPR web magazine.</div><div><br><=
/div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Mike MacLean<br></div><div><br></di=
v><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" clas=
s=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 6, 2024 at 1:20=E2=80=AFPM Mark Haynes via Spr=
idgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">sp=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-s=
tyle:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D=
"auto">No Greg,=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto">I don&#39;t have a part number, but =
Jim and Kevin&#39;s input has helped.</div><div dir=3D"auto">It appears tha=
t the I terminal needs switched 12V, the L terminal is the charge lamp sign=
al, and the S terminal gets battery 12V along with the B+.</div><div dir=3D=
"auto">There was a thread on the MGB forum about this same ND alternator hi=
ghlighting that if the S terminal isn&#39;t seeing battery voltage, you don=
&#39;t get full 14+V output, so I&#39;ve wired it to the B+ terminal as wel=
l.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto">This was supposed to be a 1 wire alternator=
, but it&#39;s what I&#39;ve got, so I&#39;m working it out.=C2=A0</div><di=
v dir=3D"auto">Thanks to everyone who has offered input.=C2=A0</div><div di=
r=3D"auto">I&#39;ll report back about this after I finish the rest of my mo=
d adaptations and get it running.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><d=
iv dir=3D"auto"><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"=
ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 6, 2024, 7:41=E2=80=AFAM Greg Gowins =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">emailme@gre=
ggowins.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;=
border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hey M=
ark!<div><br></div><div>I&#39;m looking back through my notes from when we =
wired the alternator into my car.=C2=A0 I&#39;m assuming that the fundament=
als between the one you have and the one I have are fairly similar.=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 However, the 3rd wire is the main difference.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I&#39;d tr=
y it both ways, with it connected to switched power and without.=C2=A0 This=
 particular alternator might have some kind of circuit that cuts everything=
 off if it doesn&#39;t sense ignition=C2=A0power.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Do you happe=
n to have the part number of this alternator handy?</div><div><br></div><di=
v>Greg</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"=
gmail_attr">On Fri, Mar 1, 2024 at 11:42=E2=80=AFAM Mark Haynes via Spridge=
ts &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer" targe=
t=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1p=
x;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1=
ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I&#39;m sliding down this slippery slope of modif=
ication and need some help.</div><div>I&#39;m trying to put a ND 3 wire alt=
ernator into my BE. It&#39;s already converted to Negative ground and I&#39=
;m intending on rewiring the regulator per Barney Gaylord to just use it as=
 a terminal block.</div><div>Here&#39;s the issue, the alternator has a Bat=
tery Positive Sense (S) terminal, a Keyed Battery Ignition (I) terminal and=
 an Indicator Light (L) terminal. <br></div><div>I&#39;m assuming that the =
S terminal should get the &#39;fat&#39; brown wire that used to go to the D=
 terminal on the regulator (new placement the A terminal after rewiring), a=
nd that the L terminal goes to the small yellow wire to feed power to shut =
off the charge light. <br></div><div>Do I need to wire the I terminal (Keye=
d battery ignition) so that it sees power when the ignition switch is on (t=
he white wire at A1 of the regulator), or is this redundant and unnecessary=
?</div><div>TIA, the new engine/5 speed/speedhut tach &amp; speedo are all =
coming together to drive this spring!<br></div><div><div><div dir=3D"ltr" c=
lass=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Mark Haynes<br></div>It only=
 goes one way- Pay It Forward<br></div></div></div></div></div>
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