Subject: Re: [Spridgets] 78 Midget fuel system

From: Rich Hill via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2023 17:14:37 -0400

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There=E2=80=99s a section of plastic tubing on the side of the transmission.=
 Make sure that=E2=80=99s OK. Although if you=E2=80=99ve replaced all the ho=
ses, you=E2=80=99ve probably done that one.=20

Rich
=E2=80=9879 Midget
=E2=80=9858 Sprite

> On Jun 22, 2023, at 7:52 PM, Karl Vacek <[email-masked]> wrote:
> =EF=BB=BF
> We've had this car since 2006 -almost second owners.  About 17,000 miles, v=
ery original.  Jill stopped driving it a couple years ago so I'm renewing ev=
erything in preparation for selling it.
>=20
> It's a 1500 (Spitfire) engine and all the emissions stuff.  Which is all t=
here and everything I've checked is working.
>=20
> We bought it from a kid who owned it for about as month, just putting in t=
he cheapest fuel pump he could find and jamming the wrong size battery betwe=
en the heater and the firewall.  It's always seemed to lose fuel pump prime a=
nd needed lots of cranking for the first start after sitting a day or two.  I=
 only just now finally replaced each and every hose in the system (not the e=
vap circuits, but for now I've unhooked the evap tank line.
>=20
> Running with fuel directly to the carb I only got a little spit from the p=
ump, and off the car it seemed dead.  Soooo - I bought a good new fuel pump,=
 the one with the infinitely clockable top, which also actually has a filter=
 unlike the POS the kid put on the car.  Pump seems to suck but it's still n=
ot pulling fuel though the line from the tank even after getting some fuel i=
n the lines and running the engine a few minutes on direct fuel to the carb.=

>=20
> I want to check the rest of the fuel supply system but I cannot remove the=
 feed line from the tank - it's a non-existent size for flare wrenches, Kroi=
l hasn't worked it's usual magic, and my Knipex pliers wrench can't turn the=
 fitting either.  Not to the cave man stage yet - this is a very original, r=
ust free car, so I'm not using a pipe wrench or etc.=20
>=20
> I want to directly blow through the fuel line to make sure it's clear - bl=
owing from the front with the gas cap off is inconclusive.  I'm working alon=
e and I'm just not sure it's passing as much air as it should.
>=20
> Aside from cutting the line off (really original car that we want to sell a=
s soon as I'm done renewing everything) I'm stuck.  I can't really drop the t=
ank (to fill it with water and have at the fitting with serious heat) withou=
t destroying the original fuel line.=20
>=20
> What is the pickup like in the tank, presumably leading down from the bulk=
head fitting to the bottom.  No in-tank filter that I see in the parts books=
.
>=20
> My last hope is to remove the huge filler hose in the trunk and put a came=
ra in there tomorrow.
>=20
> Any other suggestions ?=20
>=20
> Thanks!
> Karl

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utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"><meta http-equiv=3D"conten=
t-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">There=E2=80=99s a section of plastic tubing on the side of the tr=
ansmission. Make sure that=E2=80=99s OK. Although if you=E2=80=99ve replaced=
 all the hoses, you=E2=80=99ve probably done that one.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Rich</div><div dir=3D"ltr">=E2=80=9879 Midg=
et</div><div dir=3D"ltr">=E2=80=9858 Sprite</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><block=
quote type=3D"cite">On Jun 22, 2023, at 7:52 PM, Karl Vacek &lt;kvacek@ameri=
tech.net&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div=
 dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF

<div dir=3D"auto">
We've had this car since 2006 -almost second owners.&nbsp; About 17,000 mile=
s, very original.&nbsp; Jill stopped driving it a couple years ago so I'm re=
newing everything in preparation for selling it.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div>=
<div dir=3D"auto">It's a 1500 (Spitfire) engine and all the emissions stuff.=
&nbsp; Which is all there and everything I've checked is working.</div><div d=
ir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">We bought it from a kid who owned it=
 for about as month, just putting in the cheapest fuel pump he could find an=
d jamming the wrong size battery between the heater and the firewall.&nbsp; I=
t's always seemed to lose fuel pump prime and needed lots of cranking for th=
e first start after sitting a day or two.&nbsp; I only just now finally repl=
aced each and every hose in the system (not the evap circuits, but for now I=
've unhooked the evap tank line.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D=
"auto">Running with fuel directly to the carb I only got a little spit from t=
he pump, and off the car it seemed dead.&nbsp; Soooo - I b<span style=3D"fon=
t-size: 12pt;">ought a good new fuel pump, the one with the infinitely clock=
able top, which also actually has a filter unlike the POS the kid put on the=
 car.&nbsp; Pump seems to suck but it's still not pulling fuel though the li=
ne from the tank even after getting some fuel in the lines and running the e=
ngine a few minutes on direct fuel to the carb.</span></div><div dir=3D"auto=
"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size: 12pt;">I want to check the rest of the fuel supply system=
 but I cannot remove the feed line from the tank - it's a non-existent size f=
or flare wrenches, Kroil hasn't worked it's usual magic, and my Knipex plier=
s wrench can't turn the fitting either.&nbsp; Not to the cave man stage yet -=
 this is a very original, rust free car, so I'm not using a pipe wrench or e=
tc.&nbsp;</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;"><br=
></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">I want to d=
irectly blow through the fuel line to make sure it's clear - blowing from th=
e front with the gas cap off is inconclusive.&nbsp; I'm working alone and I'=
m just not sure it's passing as much air as it should.</span></div><div dir=3D=
"auto"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><=
span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">Aside from cutting the line off (really orig=
inal car that we want to sell as soon as I'm done renewing everything) I'm s=
tuck.&nbsp; I can't really drop the tank (to fill it with water and have at t=
he fitting with serious heat) without destroying the original fuel line.&nbs=
p;</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;"><br></span=
></div><div dir=3D"auto">What is the pickup like in the tank, presumably lea=
ding down from the bulkhead fitting to the bottom.&nbsp; No in-tank filter t=
hat I see in the parts books.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"a=
uto">My last hope is to remove the huge filler hose in the trunk and put a c=
amera in there tomorrow.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">=
Any other suggestions ?&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"a=
uto">Thanks!</div><div dir=3D"auto">Karl</div>
</div>

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From: Karl Vacek via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2023 17:55:39 -0500

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Sure did.  It=E2=80=99s a hose between two steel tubes on this car.  =
I=E2=80=99ve suspected for years that there was a little leak in one of =
the (5? 6?) little hoses in the fuel line, so I once again changed them =
all.

=20

I put a camera into the tank through the filler hole on the top of the =
tank.  The inlet tube is part of the fuel sending unit on this car, and =
there=E2=80=99s what looks for all the world like a white nylon mesh =
filter with a plastic cage around the inlet tube, as part of the fuel =
sending unit.  Nothing like that in any parts books, not even the BMIHT =
CD parts book.

=20

This is a California-emissions 1978 car.  Not the first thing =
that=E2=80=99s different from the parts books, Moss, etc.=20

=20

But it=E2=80=99s all okay and air blew through beautifully after I had =
the tank open to look.  And now there=E2=80=99s fuel flow to the pump.  =
I don=E2=80=99t know =E2=80=93 I didn=E2=80=99t change anything, just =
looked in there and put the same air hose onto the fuel line as =
I=E2=80=99d done a couple of times before.

=20

FM Principle

=20

Thanks for the info !!!

=20

Karl

=20

=20

From: Rich Hill [mailto:[email-masked]]=20
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 4:15 PM
To: Karl Vacek
Cc: Spridgets
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] 78 Midget fuel system

=20

There=E2=80=99s a section of plastic tubing on the side of the =
transmission. Make sure that=E2=80=99s OK. Although if you=E2=80=99ve =
replaced all the hoses, you=E2=80=99ve probably done that one.=20

=20

Rich

=E2=80=9879 Midget

=E2=80=9858 Sprite

=EF=BB=BF=20

We've had this car since 2006 -almost second owners.  About 17,000 =
miles, very original.  Jill stopped driving it a couple years ago so I'm =
renewing everything in preparation for selling it.

=20

It's a 1500 (Spitfire) engine and all the emissions stuff.  Which is all =
there and everything I've checked is working.

=20

We bought it from a kid who owned it for about as month, just putting in =
the cheapest fuel pump he could find and jamming the wrong size battery =
between the heater and the firewall.  It's always seemed to lose fuel =
pump prime and needed lots of cranking for the first start after sitting =
a day or two.  I only just now finally replaced each and every hose in =
the system (not the evap circuits, but for now I've unhooked the evap =
tank line.

=20

Running with fuel directly to the carb I only got a little spit from the =
pump, and off the car it seemed dead.  Soooo - I bought a good new fuel =
pump, the one with the infinitely clockable top, which also actually has =
a filter unlike the POS the kid put on the car.  Pump seems to suck but =
it's still not pulling fuel though the line from the tank even after =
getting some fuel in the lines and running the engine a few minutes on =
direct fuel to the carb.

=20

I want to check the rest of the fuel supply system but I cannot remove =
the feed line from the tank - it's a non-existent size for flare =
wrenches, Kroil hasn't worked it's usual magic, and my Knipex pliers =
wrench can't turn the fitting either.  Not to the cave man stage yet - =
this is a very original, rust free car, so I'm not using a pipe wrench =
or etc.=20

=20

I want to directly blow through the fuel line to make sure it's clear - =
blowing from the front with the gas cap off is inconclusive.  I'm =
working alone and I'm just not sure it's passing as much air as it =
should.

=20

Aside from cutting the line off (really original car that we want to =
sell as soon as I'm done renewing everything) I'm stuck.  I can't really =
drop the tank (to fill it with water and have at the fitting with =
serious heat) without destroying the original fuel line.=20

=20

What is the pickup like in the tank, presumably leading down from the =
bulkhead fitting to the bottom.  No in-tank filter that I see in the =
parts books.

=20

My last hope is to remove the huge filler hose in the trunk and put a =
camera in there tomorrow.

=20

=20

Thanks!

Karl

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D'>Sure did.=C2=A0 It=E2=80=99s a hose between two steel tubes on this =
car.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve suspected for years that there was a little leak =
in one of the (5? 6?) little hoses in the fuel line, so I once again =
changed them all.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I put a camera into the tank through the filler hole on the top of =
the tank.=C2=A0 The inlet tube is part of the fuel sending unit on this =
car, and there=E2=80=99s what looks for all the world like a white nylon =
mesh filter with a plastic cage around the inlet tube, as part of the =
fuel sending unit.=C2=A0 Nothing like that in any parts books, not even =
the BMIHT CD parts book.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>This is a California-emissions 1978 car.=C2=A0 Not the first thing =
that=E2=80=99s different from the parts books, Moss, etc. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>But it=E2=80=99s all okay and air blew through beautifully after I =
had the tank open to look.=C2=A0 And now there=E2=80=99s fuel flow to =
the pump.=C2=A0 I don=E2=80=99t know =E2=80=93 I didn=E2=80=99t change =
anything, just looked in there and put the same air hose onto the fuel =
line as I=E2=80=99d done a couple of times =
before.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>FM Principle<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Thanks for the info !!!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Karl<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Rich Hill [mailto:[email-masked]] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 23, =
2023 4:15 PM<br><b>To:</b> Karl Vacek<br><b>Cc:</b> =
Spridgets<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Spridgets] 78 Midget fuel =
system<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>There=E2=80=99s a section of plastic tubing on the =
side of the transmission. Make sure that=E2=80=99s OK. Although if =
you=E2=80=99ve replaced all the hoses, you=E2=80=99ve probably done that =
one.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Rich<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>=E2=80=9879 Midget<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>=E2=80=9858 Sprite<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Jun 22, 2023, at 7:52 PM, Karl Vacek =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>=EF=BB=BF</span> =
<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>We've had this car since 2006 =
-almost second owners.&nbsp; About 17,000 miles, very original.&nbsp; =
Jill stopped driving it a couple years ago so I'm renewing everything in =
preparation for selling it.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>It's a 1500 (Spitfire) engine and all the emissions =
stuff.&nbsp; Which is all there and everything I've checked is =
working.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>We bought it from a kid who owned it for about as =
month, just putting in the cheapest fuel pump he could find and jamming =
the wrong size battery between the heater and the firewall.&nbsp; It's =
always seemed to lose fuel pump prime and needed lots of cranking for =
the first start after sitting a day or two.&nbsp; I only just now =
finally replaced each and every hose in the system (not the evap =
circuits, but for now I've unhooked the evap tank =
line.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Running with fuel directly to the carb I only got a =
little spit from the pump, and off the car it seemed dead.&nbsp; Soooo - =
I bought a good new fuel pump, the one with the infinitely clockable =
top, which also actually has a filter unlike the POS the kid put on the =
car.&nbsp; Pump seems to suck but it's still not pulling fuel though the =
line from the tank even after getting some fuel in the lines and running =
the engine a few minutes on direct fuel to the =
carb.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
want to check the rest of the fuel supply system but I cannot remove the =
feed line from the tank - it's a non-existent size for flare wrenches, =
Kroil hasn't worked it's usual magic, and my Knipex pliers wrench can't =
turn the fitting either.&nbsp; Not to the cave man stage yet - this is a =
very original, rust free car, so I'm not using a pipe wrench or =
etc.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
want to directly blow through the fuel line to make sure it's clear - =
blowing from the front with the gas cap off is inconclusive.&nbsp; I'm =
working alone and I'm just not sure it's passing as much air as it =
should.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Aside from cutting the line off (really original car =
that we want to sell as soon as I'm done renewing everything) I'm =
stuck.&nbsp; I can't really drop the tank (to fill it with water and =
have at the fitting with serious heat) without destroying the original =
fuel line.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>What is the pickup like in the tank, presumably =
leading down from the bulkhead fitting to the bottom.&nbsp; No in-tank =
filter that I see in the parts books.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>My last hope is to remove the huge filler hose in the =
trunk and put a camera in there tomorrow.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Any other suggestions =
?&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Karl<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div=
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From: GUY DAY via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2023 09:04:29 +0100 (BST)

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Karl,
This is a fine mesh original filter on the inside end of the fuel tank=20
exit pipe.  It can get clogged with dirt or sufficiently clogged so as=20
to restrict the fuel flow. It is part of the fuel tank and is not=20
designed to be accessed by the user and/or the garage service mechanic.=20
However, modern technology (cameras on the end of wiggly sticks) let you=20
see it.
Cleaning the gunge collected over decades is normally a reverse blow=20
through the fuel pipe but using a 150psi air line can destroy the filter=20
so start off low!  You can never tell if you have cleaned it properly or=20
what type of gunge was blocking it so deliberately destroying it was not=20
unknown, especially after trying a couple of times to clear a blocked=20
system. Pushing a stiff length of wire through the filter was a common=20
way of destroying it.  I've not known anyone replace an in-tank filter=20
but have known those who destroy it put an in-line fuel filter in the=20
system, usually close to the engine to make it accessible.

Stay well,

Guy R Day

------ Original Message ------
From: "Karl Vacek via Spridgets" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Rich Hill'" <[email-masked]>
Cc: "'Spridgets'" <[email-masked]>
Sent: Friday, 23 Jun, 23 At 23:55
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] 78 Midget fuel system

Sure did.  It=E2=80=99s a hose between two steel tubes on this car.  I=E2=
=80=99ve=20
suspected for years that there was a little leak in one of the (5? 6?)=20
little hoses in the fuel line, so I once again changed them all.

I put a camera into the tank through the filler hole on the top of the=20
tank.  The inlet tube is part of the fuel sending unit on this car, and=20
there=E2=80=99s what looks for all the world like a white nylon mesh filter=
 with=20
a plastic cage around the inlet tube, as part of the fuel sending unit.=20
Nothing like that in any parts books, not even the BMIHT CD parts book.

This is a California-emissions 1978 car.  Not the first thing that=E2=80=99=
s=20
different from the parts books, Moss, etc.

But it=E2=80=99s all okay and air blew through beautifully after I had the =
tank=20
open to look.  And now there=E2=80=99s fuel flow to the pump.  I don=E2=80=
=99t know =E2=80=93 I=20
didn=E2=80=99t change anything, just looked in there and put the same air h=
ose=20
onto the fuel line as I=E2=80=99d done a couple of times before.

FM Principle

Thanks for the info !!!

Karl

From: Rich Hill [mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 4:15 PM
To: Karl Vacek
Cc: Spridgets
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] 78 Midget fuel system

There=E2=80=99s a section of plastic tubing on the side of the transmission=
.=20
Make sure that=E2=80=99s OK. Although if you=E2=80=99ve replaced all the ho=
ses, you=E2=80=99ve=20
probably done that one.

Rich

=E2=80=9879 Midget

=E2=80=9858 Sprite

On Jun 22, 2023, at 7:52 PM, Karl Vacek <[email-masked]=20

=EF=BB=BF
We've had this car since 2006 -almost second owners.  About 17,000=20
miles, very original.  Jill stopped driving it a couple years ago so I'm=20
renewing everything in preparation for selling it.

It's a 1500 (Spitfire) engine and all the emissions stuff.  Which is all=20
there and everything I've checked is working.

We bought it from a kid who owned it for about as month, just putting in=20
the cheapest fuel pump he could find and jamming the wrong size battery=20
between the heater and the firewall.  It's always seemed to lose fuel=20
pump prime and needed lots of cranking for the first start after sitting=20
a day or two.  I only just now finally replaced each and every hose in=20
the system (not the evap circuits, but for now I've unhooked the evap=20
tank line.

Running with fuel directly to the carb I only got a little spit from the=20
pump, and off the car it seemed dead.  Soooo - I bought a good new fuel=20
pump, the one with the infinitely clockable top, which also actually has=20
a filter unlike the POS the kid put on the car.  Pump seems to suck but=20
it's still not pulling fuel though the line from the tank even after=20
getting some fuel in the lines and running the engine a few minutes on=20
direct fuel to the carb.

I want to check the rest of the fuel supply system but I cannot remove=20
the feed line from the tank - it's a non-existent size for flare=20
wrenches, Kroil hasn't worked it's usual magic, and my Knipex pliers=20
wrench can't turn the fitting either.  Not to the cave man stage yet -=20
this is a very original, rust free car, so I'm not using a pipe wrench=20
or etc.

I want to directly blow through the fuel line to make sure it's clear -=20
blowing from the front with the gas cap off is inconclusive.  I'm=20
working alone and I'm just not sure it's passing as much air as it=20
should.

Aside from cutting the line off (really original car that we want to=20
sell as soon as I'm done renewing everything) I'm stuck.  I can't really=20
drop the tank (to fill it with water and have at the fitting with=20
serious heat) without destroying the original fuel line.

What is the pickup like in the tank, presumably leading down from the=20
bulkhead fitting to the bottom.  No in-tank filter that I see in the=20
parts books.

My last hope is to remove the huge filler hose in the trunk and put a=20
camera in there tomorrow.

Any other suggestions ?

Thanks!

Karl

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<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org=
/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"> <html xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/1999/xh=
tml"> <head> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charse=
t=3DUTF-8" /> </head> <body><div class=3D"auto-created-dir-div" dir=3D"auto=
" style=3D"unicode-bidi: embed;"><style>p{margin:0}</style>Karl,<div><p>Thi=
s is a fine mesh original filter on the inside end of the fuel tank exit pi=
pe.  It can get clogged with dirt or sufficiently clogged so as to restrict=
 the fuel flow. It is part of the fuel tank and is not designed to be acces=
sed by the user and/or the garage service mechanic.   However, modern techn=
ology (cameras on the end of wiggly sticks) let you see it.  </p><p>Cleanin=
g the gunge collected over decades is normally a reverse blow through the f=
uel pipe but using a 150psi air line can destroy the filter so start off lo=
w!  You can never tell if you have cleaned it properly or what type of gung=
e was blocking it so deliberately destroying it was not unknown, especially=
 after trying a couple of times to clear a blocked system. Pushing a stiff =
length of wire through the filter was a common way of destroying it.  I&#39=
;ve not known anyone replace an in-tank filter but have known those who des=
troy it put an in-line fuel filter in the system, usually close to the engi=
ne to make it accessible.  </p><p><br></p><p>Stay well,</p><p><br></p><p>Gu=
y R Day</p><br><blockquote style=3D"margin: 0 auto; padding: 0 2em; border-=
left:2px solid #00ADE5; white-space: pre-wrap "><br><br>------ Original Mes=
sage ------<br>From: &quot;Karl Vacek via Spridgets&quot; &lt;spridgets@aut=
ox.team.net&gt;<br>To: &quot;&#39;Rich Hill&#39;&quot; &lt;[email-masked]=
om&gt;<br>Cc: &quot;&#39;Spridgets&#39;&quot; &lt;[email-masked]&=
gt;<br>Sent: Friday, 23 Jun, 23 At 23:55<br>Subject: Re: [Spridgets] 78 Mid=
get fuel system<br><br><div class=3D"WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
span style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt;font-family: Calibri , sans-serif;color: rg=
b(31,73,125);">Sure did.  It=E2=80=99s a hose between two steel tubes on th=
is car.  I=E2=80=99ve suspected for years that there was a little leak in o=
ne of the (5? 6?) little hoses in the fuel line, so I once again changed th=
em all.</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt;f=
ont-family: Calibri , sans-serif;color: rgb(31,73,125);"> </span></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt;font-family: Calibri , sa=
ns-serif;color: rgb(31,73,125);">I put a camera into the tank through the f=
iller hole on the top of the tank.  The inlet tube is part of the fuel send=
ing unit on this car, and there=E2=80=99s what looks for all the world like=
 a white nylon mesh filter with a plastic cage around the inlet tube, as pa=
rt of the fuel sending unit.  Nothing like that in any parts books, not eve=
n the BMIHT CD parts book.</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"=
font-size: 11.0pt;font-family: Calibri , sans-serif;color: rgb(31,73,125);"=
> </span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt;font-f=
amily: Calibri , sans-serif;color: rgb(31,73,125);">This is a California-em=
issions 1978 car.  Not the first thing that=E2=80=99s different from the pa=
rts books, Moss, etc. </span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font=
-size: 11.0pt;font-family: Calibri , sans-serif;color: rgb(31,73,125);"> </=
span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt;font-famil=
y: Calibri , sans-serif;color: rgb(31,73,125);">But it=E2=80=99s all okay a=
nd air blew through beautifully after I had the tank open to look.  And now=
 there=E2=80=99s fuel flow to the pump.  I don=E2=80=99t know =E2=80=93 I d=
idn=E2=80=99t change anything, just looked in there and put the same air ho=
se onto the fuel line as I=E2=80=99d done a couple of times before.</span><=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt;font-family: Cal=
ibri , sans-serif;color: rgb(31,73,125);"> </span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><span style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt;font-family: Calibri , sans-serif;color:=
 rgb(31,73,125);">FM Principle</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size: 11.0pt;font-family: Calibri , sans-serif;color: rgb(31,73,12=
5);"> </span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt;fo=
nt-family: Calibri , sans-serif;color: rgb(31,73,125);">Thanks for the info=
 !!!</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt;font=
-family: Calibri , sans-serif;color: rgb(31,73,125);"> </span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt;font-family: Calibri , sans=
-serif;color: rgb(31,73,125);">Karl</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt;font-family: Calibri , sans-serif;color: rgb(31,=
73,125);"> </span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11.0=
pt;font-family: Calibri , sans-serif;color: rgb(31,73,125);"> </span></p><d=
iv><div style=3D"border: none;border-top: solid rgb(181,196,223) 1.0pt;padd=
ing: 3.0pt 0.0in 0.0in 0.0in;"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"fon=
t-size: 10.0pt;font-family: Tahoma , sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span sty=
le=3D"font-size: 10.0pt;font-family: Tahoma , sans-serif;"> Rich Hill [mail=
to:[email-masked]] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 23, 2023 4:15 PM<br><b=
>To:</b> Karl Vacek<br><b>Cc:</b> Spridgets<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Spridge=
ts] 78 Midget fuel system</span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> </p=
><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">There=E2=80=99s a section of plastic tubi=
ng on the side of the transmission. Make sure that=E2=80=99s OK. Although i=
f you=E2=80=99ve replaced all the hoses, you=E2=80=99ve probably done that =
one. </p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal">Rich</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=9879 Midget</p></di=
v><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=9858 Sprite</p></div><div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><br><br></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0p=
t;">On Jun 22, 2023, at 7:52 PM, Karl Vacek &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kvacek@am=
eritech.net"><span class=3D"wt_Email">[email-masked]</span><span></sp=
an></a>&gt; wrote:</p></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 5.0pt;margin-b=
ottom: 5.0pt;"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: Taho=
ma , sans-serif;">=EF=BB=BF</span> </p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">We&#39;v=
e had this car since 2006 -almost second owners.  About 17,000 miles, very =
original.  Jill stopped driving it a couple years ago so I&#39;m renewing e=
verything in preparation for selling it.</p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> </=
p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">It&#39;s a 1500 (Spitfire) engine and a=
ll the emissions stuff.  Which is all there and everything I&#39;ve checked=
 is working.</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">We bought it from a kid who owned it for about as month, jus=
t putting in the cheapest fuel pump he could find and jamming the wrong siz=
e battery between the heater and the firewall.  It&#39;s always seemed to l=
ose fuel pump prime and needed lots of cranking for the first start after s=
itting a day or two.  I only just now finally replaced each and every hose =
in the system (not the evap circuits, but for now I&#39;ve unhooked the eva=
p tank line.</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">Running with fuel directly to the carb I only got a little s=
pit from the pump, and off the car it seemed dead.  Soooo - I bought a good=
 new fuel pump, the one with the infinitely clockable top, which also actua=
lly has a filter unlike the POS the kid put on the car.  Pump seems to suck=
 but it&#39;s still not pulling fuel though the line from the tank even aft=
er getting some fuel in the lines and running the engine a few minutes on d=
irect fuel to the carb.</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> </p></div><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I want to check the rest of the fuel supply system=
 but I cannot remove the feed line from the tank - it&#39;s a non-existent =
size for flare wrenches, Kroil hasn&#39;t worked it&#39;s usual magic, and =
my Knipex pliers wrench can&#39;t turn the fitting either.  Not to the cave=
 man stage yet - this is a very original, rust free car, so I&#39;m not usi=
ng a pipe wrench or etc. </p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> </p></div><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I want to directly blow through the fuel line to=
 make sure it&#39;s clear - blowing from the front with the gas cap off is =
inconclusive.  I&#39;m working alone and I&#39;m just not sure it&#39;s pas=
sing as much air as it should.</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> </p></=
div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Aside from cutting the line off (really ori=
ginal car that we want to sell as soon as I&#39;m done renewing everything)=
 I&#39;m stuck.  I can&#39;t really drop the tank (to fill it with water an=
d have at the fitting with serious heat) without destroying the original fu=
el line. </p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal">What is the pickup like in the tank, presumably leading down fro=
m the bulkhead fitting to the bottom.  No in-tank filter that I see in the =
parts books.</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">My last hope is to remove the huge filler hose in the trunk =
and put a camera in there tomorrow.</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <=
/p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Any other suggestions ? </p></div><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks!</p><=
/div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Karl</p></div></div></div></blockquote></d=
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