Subject: [Spridgets] Bugeye Losing Power

From: Steve Williams via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2022 10:38:33 +0000 (UTC)

Gents,
 
I have a 1960 Bugeye. Starting sputtering a bit recently but yesterday it got much worse on a 20 mile drive. Started to pop and sputter and lose power. Pretty good on flat roads but even on a minor grade it would hardly move. Limped it to a friend's house. We checked and re-set the points, no improvement. If I let it sit for a while it runs okay for maybe a mile and then problem gets bad again. Can't really drive it far or it is going to leave me stranded. I'm thinking a fuel delivery problem, pump or carbs. Would appreciate any thoughts from folks here. 

Many Thanks!

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From: Rick Fisk via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2022 07:31:30 -0400

Sounds like the float bowls may have crud in them.

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Try changing the condenser. Sometimes they break down internally. Peter
Caldwell used to sell an electronic one, what was great

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> Gents,
>
> I have a 1960 Bugeye. Starting sputtering a bit recently but yesterday it
> got much worse on a 20 mile drive. Started to pop and sputter and lose
> power. Pretty good on flat roads but even on a minor grade it would hardly
> move. Limped it to a friend's house. We checked and re-set the points, no
> improvement. If I let it sit for a while it runs okay for maybe a mile and
> then problem gets bad again. Can't really drive it far or it is going to
> leave me stranded. I'm thinking a fuel delivery problem, pump or carbs.
> Would appreciate any thoughts from folks here.
>
> Many Thanks!
>
> Steve Williams
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Try changing the condenser. Sometimes they break down inte=
rnally. Peter Caldwell used to sell an electronic one, what was great</div>=
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri=
, Oct 7, 2022 at 6:07 AM Steve Williams via Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border=
-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Gents,<br>
<br>
I have a 1960 Bugeye. Starting sputtering a bit recently but yesterday it g=
ot much worse on a 20 mile drive. Started to pop and sputter and lose power=
. Pretty good on flat roads but even on a minor grade it would hardly move.=
 Limped it to a friend&#39;s house. We checked and re-set the points, no im=
provement. If I let it sit for a while it runs okay for maybe a mile and th=
en problem gets bad again. Can&#39;t really drive it far or it is going to =
leave me stranded. I&#39;m thinking a fuel delivery problem, pump or carbs.=
 Would appreciate any thoughts from folks here. <br>
<br>
Many Thanks!<br>
<br>
Steve Williams<br>
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From: Billy Zoom via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2022 06:15:15 -0700

Bearing in mind that most fuel problems are caused by the ignition system and vice versa, does it run well long enough for the coil to get hot? 
Also, If it’s still a 948 with a mechanical fuel pump, have you tried disconnecting the fuel line & blowing into it? 
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From: Billy Zoom via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2022 06:19:18 -0700

An electronic capacitor? I want to see the schematic.
> Try changing the condenser. Sometimes they break down internally. Peter Caldwell used to sell an electronic one, what was great
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Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2022 09:00:23 -0500

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Bad condensers can indeed cause sometimes bizarre symptoms, mimicking fuel 
issues.

On October 7, 2022 8:12:16 AM Brad Fornal via Spridgets 
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<div dir=3D"auto">Bad condensers can indeed cause sometimes bizarre symptom=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Try changing the condenser. Sometimes they break down inte=
rnally. Peter Caldwell used to sell an electronic one, what was great</div>=
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri=
, Oct 7, 2022 at 6:07 AM Steve Williams via Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div=
-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Gents,<br>
<br>
I have a 1960 Bugeye. Starting sputtering a bit recently but yesterday it g=
ot much worse on a 20 mile drive. Started to pop and sputter and lose power=
. Pretty good on flat roads but even on a minor grade it would hardly move.=
 Limped it to a friend's house. We checked and re-set the points, no improv=
ement. If I let it sit for a while it runs okay for maybe a mile and then p=
roblem gets bad again. Can't really drive it far or it is going to leave me=
 stranded. I'm thinking a fuel delivery problem, pump or carbs. Would appre=
ciate any thoughts from folks here. <br>
<br>
Many Thanks!<br>
<br>
Steve Williams<br>
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From: Bill Miller - LBCs via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2022 11:35:16 -0400

I had a similar problem one with another LBC and it wound up that the fuel
tank vent was plugged.  Basically fuel could not flow unless there was air.
Took me forever to figure that one out.  Worked fine for about 30 minutes
and then would fuel starve.  Park it and within 30 minutes it would run for
another 30 minutes.   Figured it out by leaving the cap off/loose.    Right
after it dies, open the cap, do you hear rushing noise?  Will it start right
back up?
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From: Weslake1330 via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2022 16:56:58 +0100

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I'm going with a problem with the condenser or coil on the basis the
problem gets worse with use and goes away when things have cooled down.

With a fuel pump problem I'd expect fuel starvation which in my experience
is a smooth loss of power to no power at all, rather than popping and and
misfiring.

If it's not the coil or condenser it could be a bad distributor rotor arm
or cap - that deterioration when they warm up.  I like to replace both
items according to a 'life' I give them and seal them in a bag with a label
stating good when removed and when that was and with what mileage.  That
way I have a problem with the engine I can fit a known good part to see if
it makes a difference or not.

Regards

Daniel

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<div dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;m going with a problem with the condenser or coil on=
 the basis the problem gets worse with use and goes away when things have c=
ooled down.<div><br></div><div>With a fuel pump problem I&#39;d expect fuel=
 starvation which in my experience is a smooth loss of power to no power at=
 all, rather than popping and and misfiring.</div><div><br></div><div>If it=
&#39;s not the coil or condenser it could be a bad distributor rotor arm or=
 cap - that deterioration when they warm up.=C2=A0 I like to replace both i=
tems according to a &#39;life&#39; I give them and seal them in a bag with =
a label stating good when removed and when that was and with what mileage.=
=C2=A0 That way I have a problem with the engine I can fit a known good par=
t to see if it makes a difference or not.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards<=
/div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Daniel</div></div><br><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, 7 Oct 2022 at 1=
2:05, Steve Williams via Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
am.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
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b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Gents,<br>
<br>
I have a 1960 Bugeye. Starting sputtering a bit recently but yesterday it g=
ot much worse on a 20 mile drive. Started to pop and sputter and lose power=
. Pretty good on flat roads but even on a minor grade it would hardly move.=
 Limped it to a friend&#39;s house. We checked and re-set the points, no im=
provement. If I let it sit for a while it runs okay for maybe a mile and th=
en problem gets bad again. Can&#39;t really drive it far or it is going to =
leave me stranded. I&#39;m thinking a fuel delivery problem, pump or carbs.=
 Would appreciate any thoughts from folks here. <br>
<br>
Many Thanks!<br>
<br>
Steve Williams<br>
------------------------<br>
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From: JMFangio via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2022 11:00:20 -0500

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Same symptoms as when you have a weak or failed fuel pump.  A full tank =
will get you going until the level goes low enough that gravity feed =
won=E2=80=99t work anymore.

It=E2=80=99s fun when your car dies at the top of a bridge BTW.

Lester

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<[email-masked]> wrote:
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> Try changing the condenser. Sometimes they break down internally. =
Peter Caldwell used to sell an electronic one, what was great
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> On Fri, Oct 7, 2022 at 6:07 AM Steve Williams via Spridgets =
> Gents,
>=20
> I have a 1960 Bugeye. Starting sputtering a bit recently but yesterday =
it got much worse on a 20 mile drive. Started to pop and sputter and =
lose power. Pretty good on flat roads but even on a minor grade it would =
hardly move. Limped it to a friend's house. We checked and re-set the =
points, no improvement. If I let it sit for a while it runs okay for =
maybe a mile and then problem gets bad again. Can't really drive it far =
or it is going to leave me stranded. I'm thinking a fuel delivery =
problem, pump or carbs. Would appreciate any thoughts from folks here.=20=

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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">Same =
symptoms as when you have a weak or failed fuel pump. &nbsp;A full tank =
will get you going until the level goes low enough that gravity feed =
won=E2=80=99t work anymore.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">It=E2=80=99s fun when your car dies at the top of a bridge =
BTW.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Lester</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Oct =
7, 2022, at 6:41 AM, Brad Fornal via Spridgets &lt;<a =
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class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"">Try changing the condenser. Sometimes they break down =
internally. Peter Caldwell used to sell an electronic one, what was =
great</div><br class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Oct 7, 2022 at 6:07 AM Steve Williams via =
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class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br =
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rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Gents,<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
I have a 1960 Bugeye. Starting sputtering a bit recently but yesterday =
it got much worse on a 20 mile drive. Started to pop and sputter and =
lose power. Pretty good on flat roads but even on a minor grade it would =
hardly move. Limped it to a friend's house. We checked and re-set the =
points, no improvement. If I let it sit for a while it runs okay for =
maybe a mile and then problem gets bad again. Can't really drive it far =
or it is going to leave me stranded. I'm thinking a fuel delivery =
problem, pump or carbs. Would appreciate any thoughts from folks here. =
<br class=3D"">
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Disconnect the out put side of the fuel pump and pull the starter button
with the ignition off.  If it is pumping fuel, reconnect then move up the
line. Do you have a fuel filter between the pump and the carbs?  Might be
plugged up.  If the filter seems clean then move up to the carbs.  As
mentioned before, you might have crud in the float bowl.  You might have a
float that has partially sunk due to a hole and filling with fuel.  If all
that is OK, then it's the ignition system.  Install new points, condenser
and rotor.  How old are the spark plug wires?  Might be time to install a
Pertronix unit.  Good luck.
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<div dir=3D"auto">Disconnect the out put side of the fuel pump and pull the=
 starter button with the ignition off.=C2=A0 If it is pumping fuel, reconne=
ct then move up the line. Do you have a fuel filter between the pump and th=
e carbs?=C2=A0 Might be plugged up.=C2=A0 If the filter seems clean then mo=
ve up to the carbs.=C2=A0 As mentioned before, you might have crud in the f=
loat bowl.=C2=A0 You might have a float that has partially sunk due to a ho=
le and filling with fuel.=C2=A0 If all that is OK, then it&#39;s the igniti=
on system.=C2=A0 Install new points, condenser and rotor.=C2=A0 How old are=
 the spark plug wires?=C2=A0 Might be time to install a Pertronix unit.=C2=
=A0 Good luck.<div dir=3D"auto">Mike MacLean</div></div><br><div class=3D"g=
mail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Oct 7, 2022, 4:13=
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I have a 1960 Bugeye. Starting sputtering a bit recently but yesterday it g=
ot much worse on a 20 mile drive. Started to pop and sputter and lose power=
. Pretty good on flat roads but even on a minor grade it would hardly move.=
 Limped it to a friend&#39;s house. We checked and re-set the points, no im=
provement. If I let it sit for a while it runs okay for maybe a mile and th=
en problem gets bad again. Can&#39;t really drive it far or it is going to =
leave me stranded. I&#39;m thinking a fuel delivery problem, pump or carbs.=
 Would appreciate any thoughts from folks here. <br>
<br>
Many Thanks!<br>
<br>
Steve Williams<br>
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From: Ron Soave via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2022 13:00:52 -0500

Also, shoot the timing and verify it’s advancing with RPM. 

Ron Soave

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