Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Valve Spring Retainers

From: Weslake1330 via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 28 May 2022 20:23:43 +0100

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I'd expect you'd have to get a full set.  If it were me I'd want to know
why the retainer failed and I'd return it to the manufacturer for a
post-mortem and possibly free of charge replacement part.  I'm guessing the
retainers might be made by Titan, or Kent.  I have the APT version of the
286 Scatter pattern and I really see the need to use more than 6000 rpm
(except in 5th on a 3.9 diff with 70 profile tyres - you do the math!) and
the engine has standard retainers on 1.5 Rockers.  I forget why I was told
not to bother with Ti retainers but since it was David Anton who told me I
took his advice.

Regards

Daniel

On Sat, 28 May 2022 at 16:55, brian S via Spridgets <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> So,
> I pulled my Valve Cover yesterday. Was planning to modify it for more
> Breathing. Has a Lot of Blowby, but that's for another post. =F0=9F=98=89
> I happen to see a piece of metal between the rockers on the top of the
> head. Thinking WTF is that from?
> Move around to the other side of the engine and see pic #2, Well crap,
> that's not good.
> Car ran fine the night before. Guess I got lucky that what was left still
> held on to get me home.
> I believe they are Titanium Retainers. Super light, and not bendable.
> Don't know a ton about this engine.
> What I do know.
> built in 2000. I acquired it in 2014. Sat unused awaiting owner to instal=
l
> in a Bugeye Project and passed away.
> 1275, .030 over, 9.75:1,  Kent 266 cam w/ Belt drive, 1.5:1 roller
> rockers. Pierce Alum head, HS2s w ported intake.
> Don't know Spring manufacturer.
> How do I go about finding a replacement Retainer? Do I have to get a full
> set? Titanium ones are $200+ a set
> If I have to get a full set, can I use hardened Steel ones? Engine doesn'=
t
> see 8000 rpm, 7000 occasionally. =F0=9F=98=89
> Any insight appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Brian S.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;d expect you&#39;d have to get a full set.=C2=A0 If =
it were me I&#39;d want to know why the retainer failed and I&#39;d return =
it to the manufacturer for a post-mortem and possibly free of charge replac=
ement part.=C2=A0 I&#39;m guessing the retainers might be made by Titan, or=
 Kent.=C2=A0 I have the APT version of the 286 Scatter pattern and I really=
 see the need to use more than 6000 rpm (except in 5th on a 3.9 diff with 7=
0 profile tyres - you do the math!) and the engine has standard retainers o=
n 1.5 Rockers.=C2=A0 I forget why I was told not to bother with Ti retainer=
s but since it was David Anton who told me I took his advice.<div><br></div=
><div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div><br></div><div>Daniel</div></di=
v></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr=
">On Sat, 28 May 2022 at 16:55, brian S via Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border=
-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">

<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
So,</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
I pulled my Valve Cover yesterday. Was planning to modify it for more Breat=
hing. Has a Lot of Blowby, but that&#39;s for another post. =F0=9F=98=89</d=
iv>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
I happen to see a piece of metal between the rockers on the top of the head=
. Thinking WTF is that from?</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
Move around to the other side of the engine and see pic #2, Well crap, that=
&#39;s not good.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
Car ran fine the night before. Guess I got lucky that what was left still h=
eld on to get me home.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
I believe they are Titanium Retainers. Super light, and not bendable.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
Don&#39;t know a ton about this engine. <br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
What I do know.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
built in 2000. I acquired it in 2014. Sat unused awaiting owner to install =
in a Bugeye Project and passed away.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
1275, .030 over, 9.75:1,=C2=A0 Kent 266 cam w/ Belt drive, 1.5:1 roller roc=
kers. Pierce Alum head, HS2s w ported intake.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
Don&#39;t know Spring manufacturer. <br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
How do I go about finding a replacement Retainer? Do I have to get a full s=
et? Titanium ones are $200+ a set<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
If I have to get a full set, can I use hardened Steel ones? Engine doesn&#3=
9;t see 8000 rpm, 7000 occasionally. =F0=9F=98=89</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
Any insight appreciated.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
Thanks,<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
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:rgb(0,0,0)">
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<div>Brian S.<br>
</div>
<div>Bugeyeracer resto&#39;ed Thanks to Frank C.!<br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
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Date: Sun, 29 May 2022 18:05:13 +0000

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