Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Texas OSHIT Week 2 recap

From: Rick Fisk via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 30 May 2022 21:21:03 -0400

Old factory harmonic balancers delaminate with age.  If your "harmonic balancer" is solid metal it's not a harmonic balancer, it's a pulley.  

> On May 30, 2022, at 8:55 PM, Billy Zoom via Spridgets <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> Where do you get a harmonic balancer with delaminating rubber? I got one shipped over from England, and it's solid metal. 
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From: Billy Zoom via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 30 May 2022 18:35:23 -0700

"If your "harmonic balancer" is solid metal it's not a harmonic balancer, it's a pulley.”
Agreed, but it’s a big chunk of machined metal & they said it was a harmonic balancer.  It’s not the stamped pulley like the early A-series. I ordered a HB from England, and that’s what I got. I just assumed that’s what they were all like.

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From: Rick Fisk via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 30 May 2022 22:39:53 -0400

Must be a viscous type with fluid in a chamber.  High tech stuff compared to my Spridgets which have the old fashioned elastomer type damper.  :-) 

> On May 30, 2022, at 10:26 PM, Billy Zoom <[email-masked]> wrote:
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From: CosmicMag1380 via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 12:13:18 -0400

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I can say with certainty that all of the 1275 models came with a HB,
including the 1967 pre-smog engine. I don't remember if the 1098s used them
or not. The 948 had a solid pulley. My point to Greg was that the old
factory HBs are prone to delaminating with age and use and the timing mark
migrates to a different position thus causing issues such as he encountered=
.

On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 10:26 PM Billy Zoom <[email-masked]> wrote=
:

> "If your "harmonic balancer" is solid metal it's not a harmonic balancer,
> it's a pulley.=E2=80=9D
> Agreed, but it=E2=80=99s a big chunk of machined metal & they said it was=
 a
> harmonic balancer.  It=E2=80=99s not the stamped pulley like the early A-=
series. I
> ordered a HB from England, and that=E2=80=99s what I got. I just assumed =
that=E2=80=99s
> what they were all like.

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1960 Bugeye
1983 Garage full of spridget parts!
2017 Home built shed full of excess spridget parts!!!

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<div dir=3D"ltr">I can say with certainty that all of the 1275 models came =
with a HB, including the 1967 pre-smog engine. I don&#39;t remember if the =
1098s used them or not. The 948 had a solid pulley. My point to Greg was th=
at the old factory HBs are prone to delaminating with age and use and the t=
iming mark migrates to a different position thus causing issues such as he =
encountered.</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"=
gmail_attr">On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 10:26 PM Billy Zoom &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border=
-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">&quot;If your &quot;harm=
onic balancer&quot; is solid metal it&#39;s not a harmonic balancer, it&#39=
;s a pulley.=E2=80=9D<br>
Agreed, but it=E2=80=99s a big chunk of machined metal &amp; they said it w=
as a harmonic balancer.=C2=A0 It=E2=80=99s not the stamped pulley like the =
early A-series. I ordered a HB from England, and that=E2=80=99s what I got.=
 I just assumed that=E2=80=99s what they were all like.<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr"=
 class=3D"gmail_signature">Kent<br>1960 Bugeye<br>1983 Garage full of sprid=
get parts!<br>2017 Home built shed full of excess spridget parts!!!<br>=C2=
=A0<br><br></div>

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From: Greg Gowins via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 17:05:45 +0000

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The old pulley was removed, and the new aluminum serpentine belt pulley was
installed on the crank, so pretty sure no HB is in play here.  I've always
had weird timing issues with this car.  My plan is at some point to move to
EFI and direct ignition, and get the distributor completely removed from
the equation.  But we got it dialed in, just with some weirdness.

Greg

On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 11:13 AM CosmicMag1380 via Spridgets <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> including the 1967 pre-smog engine. I don't remember if the 1098s used th=
em
> factory HBs are prone to delaminating with age and use and the timing mar=
k
> migrates to a different position thus causing issues such as he encounter=
ed.
>
> On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 10:26 PM Billy Zoom <[email-masked]>
> wrote:
>
>> "If your "harmonic balancer" is solid metal it's not a harmonic balancer=
,
>> it's a pulley.=E2=80=9D
>> Agreed, but it=E2=80=99s a big chunk of machined metal & they said it wa=
s a
>> harmonic balancer.  It=E2=80=99s not the stamped pulley like the early A=
-series. I
>> ordered a HB from England, and that=E2=80=99s what I got. I just assumed=
 that=E2=80=99s
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<div dir=3D"ltr">The old pulley was removed, and the new aluminum serpentin=
e belt pulley was installed on the crank, so pretty sure no HB is in play h=
ere.=C2=A0 I&#39;ve always had weird timing issues with this car.=C2=A0 My =
plan is at some point to move to EFI and direct ignition, and get the distr=
ibutor completely removed from the equation.=C2=A0 But we got it dialed in,=
 just with some weirdness.<div><br></div><div>Greg</div></div><br><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, May 31, 202=
2 at 11:13 AM CosmicMag1380 via Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@a=
utox.team.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote=
 class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px so=
lid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I can say with cert=
ainty that all of the 1275 models came with a HB, including the 1967 pre-sm=
og engine. I don&#39;t remember if the 1098s used them or not. The 948 had =
a solid pulley. My point to Greg was that the old factory HBs are prone to =
delaminating with age and use and the timing mark migrates to a different p=
osition thus causing issues such as he encountered.</div><br><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, May 30, 2022 at =
10:26 PM Billy Zoom &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">&quot;If your &quot;harmonic balancer&qu=
ot; is solid metal it&#39;s not a harmonic balancer, it&#39;s a pulley.=E2=
=80=9D<br>
Agreed, but it=E2=80=99s a big chunk of machined metal &amp; they said it w=
as a harmonic balancer.=C2=A0 It=E2=80=99s not the stamped pulley like the =
early A-series. I ordered a HB from England, and that=E2=80=99s what I got.=
 I just assumed that=E2=80=99s what they were all like.<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr"=
>Kent<br>1960 Bugeye<br>1983 Garage full of spridget parts!<br>2017 Home bu=
ilt shed full of excess spridget parts!!!<br>=C2=A0<br><br></div>
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