Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Brake Bleed p.s.

From: Rick Fisk via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 15:53:33 -0500

Should have asked this before, but did you change pushrods when you changed masters?

> On Jan 18, 2022, at 3:41 PM, Rick Fisk <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> Hi Mike,
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> Do you have the proper clearance on the master pushrod at rest?
> 
> Rick
> 
>>> On Jan 18, 2022, at 2:41 PM, Michael MacLean via Spridgets <[email-masked]> wrote:
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>> It's  a new AP Lockheed master.
>> Mike

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Clearance on master pushrod correct.
Mike

On Tue, Jan 18, 2022, 12:53 PM Rick Fisk <[email-masked]> wrote:

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<div dir=3D"auto">Clearance on master pushrod correct.<div dir=3D"auto">Mik=
e</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail=
_attr">On Tue, Jan 18, 2022, 12:53 PM Rick Fisk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:refis=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;=
padding-left:1ex">Should have asked this before, but did you change pushrod=
s when you changed masters?<br>
<br>
&gt; On Jan 18, 2022, at 3:41 PM, Rick Fisk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:refisk@ch=
artermi.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&=
gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; =EF=BB=BF<br>
&gt; Hi Mike,<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Do you have the proper clearance on the master pushrod at rest?<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Rick<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; On Jan 18, 2022, at 2:41 PM, Michael MacLean via Spridgets &lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noref=
errer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; =EF=BB=BF<br>
&gt;&gt; It&#39;s=C2=A0 a new AP Lockheed master.<br>
&gt;&gt; Mike<br>
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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2022 14:03:55 -0500

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Hi Mike,

What I'm going to tell you will probably get the other Spridge folks upset
because it flies in the fact of common knowledge.  I can only tell you what
happened when we finished a disc brake swap on a friend's bugeye that had
already been started.  Initially, we purchased a new TRW 3'4" bore MC.  The
car had standard rear drum brakes.  Try as we might, we couldn't get a hard
pedal, even after installing stainless lines all around.  We screwed around
with pushrod adjustment, still no dice.  What we finally ended up doing was
purchasing one of these 7/8" inch MCs with an increased reservoir:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/200920716753?fits=3DModel%3ASprite&hash=3Ditem2ec7=
ced5d1:g:fdsAAOxy02dRf~cB
I'm not sure whether we trimmed the pushrods down a bit as well as it was
one of the many things we tried.  Might be worth a shot if you get
desperate.  My motto, "If it doesn't;t work, keep throwing new parts at it
until it does."

Happy Healeying,
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Mike,<div><br></div><div>What I&#39;m going to tell you=
 will probably get the other Spridge folks upset because it flies in the fa=
ct of common knowledge.=C2=A0 I can only tell you what happened when we fin=
ished a disc brake swap on a friend&#39;s bugeye that had already been star=
ted.=C2=A0 Initially, we purchased a new TRW 3&#39;4&quot; bore MC.=C2=A0 T=
he car had standard rear drum brakes.=C2=A0 Try as we might, we couldn&#39;=
t get a hard pedal, even after installing stainless lines all around.=C2=A0=
 We screwed around with pushrod adjustment, still no dice.=C2=A0 What we fi=
nally ended up doing was purchasing one of these 7/8&quot; inch MCs with an=
 increased reservoir:<a href=3D"https://www.ebay.com/itm/200920716753?fits=
=3DModel%3ASprite&amp;hash=3Ditem2ec7ced5d1:g:fdsAAOxy02dRf~cB">https://www=
.ebay.com/itm/200920716753?fits=3DModel%3ASprite&amp;hash=3Ditem2ec7ced5d1:=
g:fdsAAOxy02dRf~cB</a>=C2=A0 I&#39;m not sure whether we trimmed the pushro=
ds down a bit as well as it was one of the many things we tried.=C2=A0 Migh=
t be worth a shot if you get desperate.=C2=A0 My motto, &quot;If it doesn&#=
39;t;t work, keep throwing new parts at it until it does.&quot;</div><div><=
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 dir=3D"auto">Clearance on master pushrod correct.<div dir=3D"auto">Mike</d=
iv></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_att=
r">On Tue, Jan 18, 2022, 12:53 PM Rick Fisk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:refisk@ch=
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efore, but did you change pushrods when you changed masters?<br>
<br>
&gt; On Jan 18, 2022, at 3:41 PM, Rick Fisk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:refisk@ch=
artermi.net" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&=
gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; =EF=BB=BF<br>
&gt; Hi Mike,<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Do you have the proper clearance on the master pushrod at rest?<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Rick<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; On Jan 18, 2022, at 2:41 PM, Michael MacLean via Spridgets &lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_=
blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; =EF=BB=BF<br>
&gt;&gt; It&#39;s=C2=A0 a new AP Lockheed master.<br>
&gt;&gt; Mike<br>
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From: Paul Van Wig via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2022 11:51:17 -0800

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The extended reservoir is a standard MGA part. That can be picked up
separately.

Paul Van Wig

Big Bear/Lakewood, CA

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> Hi Mike,
>
> What I'm going to tell you will probably get the other Spridge folks upse=
t
> because it flies in the fact of common knowledge.  I can only tell you wh=
at
> already been started.  Initially, we purchased a new TRW 3'4" bore MC.  T=
he
> car had standard rear drum brakes.  Try as we might, we couldn't get a ha=
rd
> pedal, even after installing stainless lines all around.  We screwed arou=
nd
> with pushrod adjustment, still no dice.  What we finally ended up doing w=
as
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/200920716753?fits=3DModel%3ASprite&hash=3Ditem2e=
c7ced5d1:g:fdsAAOxy02dRf~cB
> desperate.  My motto, "If it doesn't;t work, keep throwing new parts at i=
t
> until it does."
>
> Happy Healeying,
> Rick Neville
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<div dir=3D"ltr">The extended reservoir=C2=A0is a standard MGA part. That c=
an be picked up separately.=C2=A0 =C2=A0<br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"=
ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><p style=3D"font-size:12.8px">Paul Van Wig</p><p style=3D"font-siz=
e:12.8px">Big Bear/Lakewood, CA</p></div></div></div><br></div><br><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 20, 20=
22 at 11:06 AM HealeyRick via Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@aut=
ox.team.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px soli=
d rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Mike,<div><br></di=
v><div>What I&#39;m going to tell you will probably get the other Spridge f=
olks upset because it flies in the fact of common knowledge.=C2=A0 I can on=
ly tell you what happened when we finished a disc brake swap on a friend&#3=
9;s bugeye that had already been started.=C2=A0 Initially, we purchased a n=
ew TRW 3&#39;4&quot; bore MC.=C2=A0 The car had standard rear drum brakes.=
=C2=A0 Try as we might, we couldn&#39;t get a hard pedal, even after instal=
ling stainless lines all around.=C2=A0 We screwed around with pushrod adjus=
tment, still no dice.=C2=A0 What we finally ended up doing was purchasing o=
ne of these 7/8&quot; inch MCs with an increased reservoir:<a href=3D"https=
://www.ebay.com/itm/200920716753?fits=3DModel%3ASprite&amp;hash=3Ditem2ec7c=
ed5d1:g:fdsAAOxy02dRf~cB" target=3D"_blank">https://www.ebay.com/itm/200920=
716753?fits=3DModel%3ASprite&amp;hash=3Ditem2ec7ced5d1:g:fdsAAOxy02dRf~cB</=
a>=C2=A0 I&#39;m not sure whether we trimmed the pushrods down a bit as wel=
l as it was one of the many things we tried.=C2=A0 Might be worth a shot if=
 you get desperate.=C2=A0 My motto, &quot;If it doesn&#39;t;t work, keep th=
rowing new parts at it until it does.&quot;</div><div><br></div><div>Happy =
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px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">Clearance on =
master pushrod correct.<div dir=3D"auto">Mike</div></div><br><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Jan 18, 2022, 12=
:53 PM Rick Fisk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bla=
nk">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204=
,204);padding-left:1ex">Should have asked this before, but did you change p=
ushrods when you changed masters?<br>
<br>
&gt; On Jan 18, 2022, at 3:41 PM, Rick Fisk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:refisk@ch=
artermi.net" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&=
gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; =EF=BB=BF<br>
&gt; Hi Mike,<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Do you have the proper clearance on the master pushrod at rest?<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Rick<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; On Jan 18, 2022, at 2:41 PM, Michael MacLean via Spridgets &lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_=
blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; =EF=BB=BF<br>
&gt;&gt; It&#39;s=C2=A0 a new AP Lockheed master.<br>
&gt;&gt; Mike<br>
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Rick,
     I don't think the new master is leaking internally.  I drove the car
for over 5 hours yesterday on my way to and from the shop to swap out
clutch slave cylinders.  The brake pedal goes down almost half way then
becomes solid and the brakes work as normal.  It can be pumped up once or
twice and become solid again.  The system was pressure bled multiple
times..  The mechanic and I have come to the likely conclusion the new
brake shoes in the rear are not contacting the brake drum along it's full
surface.   No one does brake shoe arcing anymore.  When I step on the
brakes only a partial part of the brake shoe contacts the brake drum.  At
the rate of wear on the rear brake shoes, I don't know if they will ever
get full contact.  At this time the car stops quite well, but I credit the
light weight of the car for this.  If I was getting 100% out of the rear
drums the braking would be much improved.  That's my story and I'm sticking
to it.
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<div dir=3D"auto">Rick,<div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I don&#39;t th=
ink the new master is leaking internally.=C2=A0 I drove the car for over 5 =
hours yesterday on my way to and from the shop to swap out clutch slave cyl=
inders.=C2=A0 The brake pedal goes down almost half way then becomes solid =
and the brakes work as normal.=C2=A0 It can be pumped up once or twice and =
become solid again.=C2=A0 The system was pressure bled multiple times..=C2=
=A0 The mechanic and I have come to the likely conclusion the new brake sho=
es in the rear are not contacting the brake drum along it&#39;s full surfac=
e.=C2=A0 =C2=A0No one does brake shoe arcing anymore.=C2=A0 When I step on =
the brakes only a partial part of the brake shoe contacts the brake drum.=
=C2=A0 At the rate of wear on the rear brake shoes, I don&#39;t know if the=
y will ever get full contact.=C2=A0 At this time the car stops quite well, =
but I credit the light weight of the car for this.=C2=A0 If I was getting 1=
00% out of the rear drums the braking would be much improved.=C2=A0 That&#3=
9;s my story and I&#39;m sticking to it.</div><div dir=3D"auto">Mike MacLea=
n</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail=
_attr">On Thu, Jan 20, 2022, 11:04 AM HealeyRick &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:heal=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;p=
adding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Mike,<div><br></div><div>What I&#39;m =
going to tell you will probably get the other Spridge folks upset because i=
t flies in the fact of common knowledge.=C2=A0 I can only tell you what hap=
pened when we finished a disc brake swap on a friend&#39;s bugeye that had =
already been started.=C2=A0 Initially, we purchased a new TRW 3&#39;4&quot;=
 bore MC.=C2=A0 The car had standard rear drum brakes.=C2=A0 Try as we migh=
t, we couldn&#39;t get a hard pedal, even after installing stainless lines =
all around.=C2=A0 We screwed around with pushrod adjustment, still no dice.=
=C2=A0 What we finally ended up doing was purchasing one of these 7/8&quot;=
 inch MCs with an increased reservoir:<a href=3D"https://www.ebay.com/itm/2=
00920716753?fits=3DModel%3ASprite&amp;hash=3Ditem2ec7ced5d1:g:fdsAAOxy02dRf=
~cB" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">https://www.ebay.com/itm/20092071=
6753?fits=3DModel%3ASprite&amp;hash=3Ditem2ec7ced5d1:g:fdsAAOxy02dRf~cB</a>=
=C2=A0 I&#39;m not sure whether we trimmed the pushrods down a bit as well =
as it was one of the many things we tried.=C2=A0 Might be worth a shot if y=
ou get desperate.=C2=A0 My motto, &quot;If it doesn&#39;t;t work, keep thro=
wing new parts at it until it does.&quot;</div><div><br></div><div>Happy He=
aleying,</div><div>Rick Neville=C2=A0=C2=A0</div></div><div id=3D"m_-839917=
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><div dir=3D"auto">Clearance on master pushrod correct.<div dir=3D"auto">Mi=
ke</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmai=
l_attr">On Tue, Jan 18, 2022, 12:53 PM Rick Fisk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:refi=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]=
</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:=
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Should have asked this before, but did you change pushrods when you changed=
 masters?<br>
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&gt; On Jan 18, 2022, at 3:41 PM, Rick Fisk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:refisk@ch=
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mi.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; =EF=BB=BF<br>
&gt; Hi Mike,<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Do you have the proper clearance on the master pushrod at rest?<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Rick<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; On Jan 18, 2022, at 2:41 PM, Michael MacLean via Spridgets &lt=
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&gt;&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; =EF=BB=BF<br>
&gt;&gt; It&#39;s=C2=A0 a new AP Lockheed master.<br>
&gt;&gt; Mike<br>
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