Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Pull start..

From: Rick Fisk via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2022 17:37:54 -0500

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Woohoo!  You got it fixed.  =F0=9F=91=8D

> On Jan 31, 2022, at 5:29 PM, Michael MacLean <[email-masked]> w=
rote:
> =EF=BB=BF
> OK.  Let me put this to rest.  Apparently 19 1/2 inches is correct.  I can=
 admit when I am wrong, but with an explanation.  Of the multitude.  I mean,=
 how can you screw up two holes you just pulled something out of and a direc=
t route to the solenoid from the firewall.   Of the multiple times I install=
ed and reinstalled this reproduction cable it came out too short.  I know th=
e routing of the cable through the dash and firewall was correct.  So, when R=
ick came up with the measurement of an original cable of the same as the rep=
roduction, I went out to the car in the garage to see if I had made a basic m=
istake from the beginning.  In reality, I had not, but for some reason this l=
ast time I re-installed the connection I installed the wire first into the c=
onnector, then slid it over the shaft of the solenoid.  I was completely dum=
bfounded when it slid over the shaft and stopped when I ran out of slack!  I=
 cannot explain it, but every time I installed it prior to this I installed t=
he connector to the shaft  first, then tried to slip the cable into the conn=
ector. By reversing that sequence, it fits!  What the heck?  Sorry to get ev=
eryone worked up over this today, but I have been struggling with this since=
 yesterday.  Still looking to buy an original cable though.  The engraving i=
s not exactly the same.  Well, I had to find something wrong with it, didn't=
 I?
> Mike M
>=20
> On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 1:32 PM Rick Fisk <[email-masked]> wrote:
>> Hi Mike,
>>=20
>> Look closely at the photo.  The cable doesn't quite make it to 19 1/2" in=
 the photo, but it does if you straighten out the cable.  I couldn't hold th=
e cable and take the photo at the same time.  This cable was installed on my=
 car when I bought it in 1968, so I'm pretty sure it's the original starter c=
able.
>>=20
>> Rick
>>=20
>>=20
>>> On Jan 31, 2022, at 4:24 PM, Michael MacLean <[email-masked]>=
 wrote:
>>> =EF=BB=BF
>>> Rick seems to me from that picture you might get a little more length if=
 you straightened out the cable, or am I seeing it wrong?
>>> Mike M
>>>=20
>>> On Mon, Jan 31, 2022, 12:30 PM Rick Fisk <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>>> Hi Mike,
>>>>=20
>>>> I measure 19 1/2" from the back of the knob to the tip of the cable.
>>>>=20
>>>> Rick
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>> On Jan 31, 2022, at 2:39 PM, Michael MacLean via Spridgets <spridgets@=
autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>> =EF=BB=BF
>>>>> Chuck,
>>>>>      I can't tell you exactly.  The original 62 year old cable was cut=
 in half when it contacted the negative battery brown wire.  The cable and s=
heath were welded together in each half where it was cut.  I might be able t=
o find the pieces, but I threw them away in my shop waste basket in disgust.=
  I would be interested to find out the measurement from the back of the bla=
ck knob to the tip of the braided cable of an original if someone has one.  I=
t would be easy to just loosen the set screw and pull it out for measurement=
.  The reproduction measures 19 1/2 inches from the black knob where it sits=
 flush against the dash fitting to the tip of the cable.  It needs another 1=
/4 inch to sit in the connector on the starter solenoid and flush against th=
e dash with no play.  That also means the connector is fully engaged with th=
e shaft on the starter solenoid without being under spring tension.  I have m=
ade the repro work, but I had to pull the shaft of the solenoid out about a 1=
/4 inch to get good engagement of both the wire and the solenoid shaft which=
 means it sits under spring tension at rest.  Something that was not necessa=
ry with the original 62 year old cable. So, does anyone have an original cab=
le in or out of the car they would be willing to measure?  Of course my offe=
r to buy an original still stands.
>>>>> Mike M
>>>>>=20
>>>>> On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 10:31 AM crusaderchuck55--- via Spridgets <spr=
[email-masked]> wrote:
>>>>>> Question,
>>>>>> I might have missed this so I shall ask..
>>>>>> When physically laying old ( in spite of a slight bit of trying?) Cab=
le next to the new one , how much difference is there in the shielding lengt=
h and actual cable length?
>>>>>> Reason I ask is this is bringing back something I kinda/sorta remembe=
r from my Bugeye when it was reassembled over 25 years ago??
>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>> ------------------------
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"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr">Woohoo! &nbsp;You got it fixed. &nbsp;=F0=9F=91=8D</div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jan 31, 2022, at 5:29 PM, Mi=
chael MacLean &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote><=
/div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"ltr"><d=
iv>OK.&nbsp; Let me put this to rest.&nbsp; Apparently 19 1/2 inches is corr=
ect.&nbsp; I can admit when I am wrong, but with an explanation.&nbsp; Of th=
e multitude.&nbsp; I mean, how can you screw up two holes you just pulled so=
mething out of and a direct route to the solenoid from the firewall. &nbsp; O=
f the multiple times I installed and reinstalled this reproduction cable it c=
ame out too short.&nbsp; I know the routing of the cable through the dash an=
d firewall was correct.&nbsp; So, when Rick came up with the measurement of a=
n original cable of the same as the reproduction, I went out to the car in t=
he garage to see if I had made a basic mistake from the beginning.&nbsp; In r=
eality, I had not, but for some reason this last time I re-installed the con=
nection I installed the wire first into the connector, then slid it over the=
 shaft of the solenoid.&nbsp; I was completely dumbfounded when it slid over=
 the shaft and stopped when I ran out of slack!&nbsp; I cannot explain it, b=
ut every time I installed it prior to this I installed the connector to the s=
haft&nbsp; first, then tried to slip the cable into the connector. By revers=
ing that sequence, it fits!&nbsp; What the heck?&nbsp; Sorry to get everyone=
 worked up over this today, but I have been struggling with this since yeste=
rday.&nbsp; Still looking to buy an original cable though.&nbsp; The engravi=
ng is not exactly the same.&nbsp; Well, I had to find something wrong with i=
t, didn't I?</div><div>Mike M<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 1:32 PM Rick Fi=
sk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; w=
rote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px=
 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"=
auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Mike,</div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Look closely at the photo.&nbsp; The cable doesn=
't quite make it to 19 1/2" in the photo, but it does if you straighten out t=
he cable.&nbsp; I couldn't hold the cable and take the photo at the same tim=
e.&nbsp; This cable was installed on my car when I bought it in 1968, so I'm=
 pretty sure it's the original starter cable.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr">Rick</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br=
><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jan 31, 2022, at 4:24 PM, Michael MacLean &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">springer.mike=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"ci=
te"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"auto">Rick seems to me from that p=
icture you might get a little more length if you straightened out the cable,=
 or am I seeing&nbsp;it wrong?<div dir=3D"auto">Mike M</div></div><br><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 31, 2=
022, 12:30 PM Rick Fisk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D=
"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,=
204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">Hi Mike,</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I measure=
 19 1/2" from the back of the knob to the tip of the cable.</div><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Rick</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><img data-unique-identifier=3D""><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><=
blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jan 31, 2022, at 2:39 PM, Michael MacLean via Sp=
ridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer" t=
arget=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote=
></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"ltr">=
<div>Chuck,</div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I can't tell you exactly.&nbs=
p; The original 62 year old cable was cut in half when it contacted the nega=
tive battery brown wire.&nbsp; The cable and sheath were welded together in e=
ach half where it was cut.&nbsp; I might be able to find the pieces, but I t=
hrew them away in my shop waste basket in disgust.&nbsp; I would be interest=
ed to find out the measurement from the back of the black knob to the tip of=
 the braided cable of an original if someone has one.&nbsp; It would be easy=
 to just loosen the set screw and pull it out for measurement.&nbsp; The rep=
roduction measures 19 1/2 inches from the black knob where it sits flush aga=
inst the dash fitting to the tip of the cable.&nbsp; It needs another 1/4 in=
ch to sit in the connector on the starter solenoid and flush against the das=
h with no play.&nbsp; That also means the connector is fully engaged with th=
e shaft on the starter solenoid without being under spring tension.&nbsp; I h=
ave made the repro work, but I had to pull the shaft of the solenoid out abo=
ut a 1/4 inch to get good engagement of both the wire and the solenoid shaft=
 which means it sits under spring tension at rest.&nbsp; Something that was n=
ot necessary with the original 62 year old cable. So, does anyone have an or=
iginal cable in or out of the car they would be willing to measure?&nbsp; Of=
 course my offer to buy an original still stands.</div><div>Mike M<br></div>=
</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">O=
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d this so I shall ask..</div><div>When physically laying old ( in spite of a=
 slight bit of trying?) Cable next to the new one , how much difference is t=
here in the shielding length and actual cable length?</div><div>Reason I ask=
 is this is bringing back something I kinda/sorta remember from my Bugeye wh=
en it was reassembled over 25 years ago??</div><div>Chuck</div></div></div>-=
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From: Michael MacLean via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2022 14:40:47 -0800

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Yes, red faced and all.
M

On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 2:38 PM Rick Fisk <[email-masked]> wrote:

> On Jan 31, 2022, at 5:29 PM, Michael MacLean <[email-masked]>
> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BF
> OK.  Let me put this to rest.  Apparently 19 1/2 inches is correct.  I ca=
n
> admit when I am wrong, but with an explanation.  Of the multitude.  I mea=
n,
> how can you screw up two holes you just pulled something out of and a
> direct route to the solenoid from the firewall.   Of the multiple times I
> installed and reinstalled this reproduction cable it came out too short. =
 I
> know the routing of the cable through the dash and firewall was correct.
> So, when Rick came up with the measurement of an original cable of the sa=
me
> as the reproduction, I went out to the car in the garage to see if I had
> made a basic mistake from the beginning.  In reality, I had not, but for
> some reason this last time I re-installed the connection I installed the
> wire first into the connector, then slid it over the shaft of the
> solenoid.  I was completely dumbfounded when it slid over the shaft and
> stopped when I ran out of slack!  I cannot explain it, but every time I
> installed it prior to this I installed the connector to the shaft  first,
> then tried to slip the cable into the connector. By reversing that
> sequence, it fits!  What the heck?  Sorry to get everyone worked up over
> this today, but I have been struggling with this since yesterday.  Still
> looking to buy an original cable though.  The engraving is not exactly th=
e
> same.  Well, I had to find something wrong with it, didn't I?
> Mike M
>
>> Look closely at the photo.  The cable doesn't quite make it to 19 1/2" i=
n
>> the photo, but it does if you straighten out the cable.  I couldn't hold
>> the cable and take the photo at the same time.  This cable was installed=
 on
>> my car when I bought it in 1968, so I'm pretty sure it's the original
>> starter cable.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>
>> On Jan 31, 2022, at 4:24 PM, Michael MacLean <[email-masked]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> =EF=BB=BF
>> Rick seems to me from that picture you might get a little more length if
>>> On Jan 31, 2022, at 2:39 PM, Michael MacLean via Spridgets <
>>> [email-masked]> wrote:
>>>
>>> =EF=BB=BF
>>> Chuck,
>>>      I can't tell you exactly.  The original 62 year old cable was cut
>>> in half when it contacted the negative battery brown wire.  The cable a=
nd
>>> sheath were welded together in each half where it was cut.  I might be =
able
>>> to find the pieces, but I threw them away in my shop waste basket in
>>> disgust.  I would be interested to find out the measurement from the ba=
ck
>>> of the black knob to the tip of the braided cable of an original if som=
eone
>>> has one.  It would be easy to just loosen the set screw and pull it out=
 for
>>> measurement.  The reproduction measures 19 1/2 inches from the black kn=
ob
>>> where it sits flush against the dash fitting to the tip of the cable.  =
It
>>> needs another 1/4 inch to sit in the connector on the starter solenoid =
and
>>> flush against the dash with no play.  That also means the connector is
>>> fully engaged with the shaft on the starter solenoid without being unde=
r
>>> spring tension.  I have made the repro work, but I had to pull the shaf=
t of
>>> the solenoid out about a 1/4 inch to get good engagement of both the wi=
re
>>> and the solenoid shaft which means it sits under spring tension at rest=
.
>>> Something that was not necessary with the original 62 year old cable. S=
o,
>>> does anyone have an original cable in or out of the car they would be
>>> willing to measure?  Of course my offer to buy an original still stands=
.
>>> Mike M
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 10:31 AM crusaderchuck55--- via Spridgets <
>>> [email-masked]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Question,
>>>> When physically laying old ( in spite of a slight bit of trying?) Cabl=
e
>>>> next to the new one , how much difference is there in the shielding le=
ngth
>>>> and actual cable length?
>>>> Reason I ask is this is bringing back something I kinda/sorta remember
>>>> from my Bugeye when it was reassembled over 25 years ago??
>>>> Chuck
>>>> ------------------------
>>>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Yes, red faced and all.</div><div>M<br></div></div><b=
r><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, =
Jan 31, 2022 at 2:38 PM Rick Fisk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
t">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,=
204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=
=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Woohoo!=C2=A0 You got it fixed. =C2=A0=F0=
=9F=91=8D</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jan 31, 20=
22, at 5:29 PM, Michael MacLean &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:springer.mike51@gmail=
.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></b=
lockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div di=
r=3D"ltr"><div>OK.=C2=A0 Let me put this to rest.=C2=A0 Apparently 19 1/2 i=
nches is correct.=C2=A0 I can admit when I am wrong, but with an explanatio=
n.=C2=A0 Of the multitude.=C2=A0 I mean, how can you screw up two holes you=
 just pulled something out of and a direct route to the solenoid from the f=
irewall. =C2=A0 Of the multiple times I installed and reinstalled this repr=
oduction cable it came out too short.=C2=A0 I know the routing of the cable=
 through the dash and firewall was correct.=C2=A0 So, when Rick came up wit=
h the measurement of an original cable of the same as the reproduction, I w=
ent out to the car in the garage to see if I had made a basic mistake from =
the beginning.=C2=A0 In reality, I had not, but for some reason this last t=
ime I re-installed the connection I installed the wire first into the conne=
ctor, then slid it over the shaft of the solenoid.=C2=A0 I was completely d=
umbfounded when it slid over the shaft and stopped when I ran out of slack!=
=C2=A0 I cannot explain it, but every time I installed it prior to this I i=
nstalled the connector to the shaft=C2=A0 first, then tried to slip the cab=
le into the connector. By reversing that sequence, it fits!=C2=A0 What the =
heck?=C2=A0 Sorry to get everyone worked up over this today, but I have bee=
n struggling with this since yesterday.=C2=A0 Still looking to buy an origi=
nal cable though.=C2=A0 The engraving is not exactly the same.=C2=A0 Well, =
I had to find something wrong with it, didn&#39;t I?</div><div>Mike M<br></=
div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_at=
tr">On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 1:32 PM Rick Fisk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:refisk@=
chartermi.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></d=
iv><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bord=
er-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div=
 dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Mike,</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr">Look closely at the photo.=C2=A0 The cable doesn&#39;t q=
uite make it to 19 1/2&quot; in the photo, but it does if you straighten ou=
t the cable.=C2=A0 I couldn&#39;t hold the cable and take the photo at the =
same time.=C2=A0 This cable was installed on my car when I bought it in 196=
8, so I&#39;m pretty sure it&#39;s the original starter cable.</div><div di=
r=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Rick</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><=
div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jan 31, 2022, at 4:24 PM, =
Michael MacLean &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"=
_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div>=
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"auto">Rick =
seems to me from that picture you might get a little more length if you str=
aightened out the cable, or am I seeing=C2=A0it wrong?<div dir=3D"auto">Mik=
e M</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gma=
il_attr">On Mon, Jan 31, 2022, 12:30 PM Rick Fisk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ref=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br=
></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;=
border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">=
<div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Mike,</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr">I measure 19 1/2&quot; from the back of the knob to =
the tip of the cable.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Rick=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><img><br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jan 31, 2022, at 2:39 PM, Michael=
 MacLean via Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=
=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<b=
r><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=
=BF<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Chuck,</div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I can&#3=
9;t tell you exactly.=C2=A0 The original 62 year old cable was cut in half =
when it contacted the negative battery brown wire.=C2=A0 The cable and shea=
th were welded together in each half where it was cut.=C2=A0 I might be abl=
e to find the pieces, but I threw them away in my shop waste basket in disg=
ust.=C2=A0 I would be interested to find out the measurement from the back =
of the black knob to the tip of the braided cable of an original if someone=
 has one.=C2=A0 It would be easy to just loosen the set screw and pull it o=
ut for measurement.=C2=A0 The reproduction measures 19 1/2 inches from the =
black knob where it sits flush against the dash fitting to the tip of the c=
able.=C2=A0 It needs another 1/4 inch to sit in the connector on the starte=
r solenoid and flush against the dash with no play.=C2=A0 That also means t=
he connector is fully engaged with the shaft on the starter solenoid withou=
t being under spring tension.=C2=A0 I have made the repro work, but I had t=
o pull the shaft of the solenoid out about a 1/4 inch to get good engagemen=
t of both the wire and the solenoid shaft which means it sits under spring =
tension at rest.=C2=A0 Something that was not necessary with the original 6=
2 year old cable. So, does anyone have an original cable in or out of the c=
ar they would be willing to measure?=C2=A0 Of course my offer to buy an ori=
ginal still stands.</div><div>Mike M<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 10:31=
 AM crusaderchuck55--- via Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.=
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><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-s=
ize:16px"><div>Question,</div><div>I might have missed this so I shall ask.=
.</div><div>When physically laying old ( in spite of a slight bit of trying=
?) Cable next to the new one , how much difference is there in the shieldin=
g length and actual cable length?</div><div>Reason I ask is this is bringin=
g back something I kinda/sorta remember from my Bugeye when it was reassemb=
led over 25 years ago??</div><div>Chuck</div></div></div>------------------=
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No need for a red face.  :-)  Maybe the cable wasn't pushed all the way home=
 when you tried to install it.

> On Jan 31, 2022, at 5:41 PM, Michael MacLean <[email-masked]> w=
rote:
>>>> On Jan 31, 2022, at 5:29 PM, Michael MacLean <[email-masked]=
> wrote:
>>>>=20
>>> =EF=BB=BF
>>> OK.  Let me put this to rest.  Apparently 19 1/2 inches is correct.  I c=
an admit when I am wrong, but with an explanation.  Of the multitude.  I mea=
n, how can you screw up two holes you just pulled something out of and a dir=
ect route to the solenoid from the firewall.   Of the multiple times I insta=
lled and reinstalled this reproduction cable it came out too short.  I know t=
he routing of the cable through the dash and firewall was correct.  So, when=
 Rick came up with the measurement of an original cable of the same as the r=
eproduction, I went out to the car in the garage to see if I had made a basi=
c mistake from the beginning.  In reality, I had not, but for some reason th=
is last time I re-installed the connection I installed the wire first into t=
he connector, then slid it over the shaft of the solenoid.  I was completely=
 dumbfounded when it slid over the shaft and stopped when I ran out of slack=
!  I cannot explain it, but every time I installed it prior to this I instal=
led the connector to the shaft  first, then tried to slip the cable into the=
 connector. By reversing that sequence, it fits!  What the heck?  Sorry to g=
et everyone worked up over this today, but I have been struggling with this s=
ince yesterday.  Still looking to buy an original cable though.  The engravi=
ng is not exactly the same.  Well, I had to find something wrong with it, di=
dn't I?
>>> Mike M
>>>=20
>>>> On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 1:32 PM Rick Fisk <[email-masked]> wrote:=

>>>> Look closely at the photo.  The cable doesn't quite make it to 19 1/2" i=
n the photo, but it does if you straighten out the cable.  I couldn't hold t=
he cable and take the photo at the same time.  This cable was installed on m=
y car when I bought it in 1968, so I'm pretty sure it's the original starter=
 cable.
>>>>=20
>>>> Rick
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2022, at 4:24 PM, Michael MacLean <[email-masked]=
om> wrote:
>>>>>>=20
>>>>> =EF=BB=BF
>>>>> Rick seems to me from that picture you might get a little more length i=
f you straightened out the cable, or am I seeing it wrong?
>>>>> Mike M
>>>>>=20
>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 31, 2022, 12:30 PM Rick Fisk <[email-masked]> wrote=
:
>>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2022, at 2:39 PM, Michael MacLean via Spridgets <spridge=
[email-masked]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> =EF=BB=BF
>>>>>>> Chuck,
>>>>>>>      I can't tell you exactly.  The original 62 year old cable was c=
ut in half when it contacted the negative battery brown wire.  The cable and=
 sheath were welded together in each half where it was cut.  I might be able=
 to find the pieces, but I threw them away in my shop waste basket in disgus=
t.  I would be interested to find out the measurement from the back of the b=
lack knob to the tip of the braided cable of an original if someone has one.=
  It would be easy to just loosen the set screw and pull it out for measurem=
ent.  The reproduction measures 19 1/2 inches from the black knob where it s=
its flush against the dash fitting to the tip of the cable.  It needs anothe=
r 1/4 inch to sit in the connector on the starter solenoid and flush against=
 the dash with no play.  That also means the connector is fully engaged with=
 the shaft on the starter solenoid without being under spring tension.  I ha=
ve made the repro work, but I had to pull the shaft of the solenoid out abou=
t a 1/4 inch to get good engagement of both the wire and the solenoid shaft w=
hich means it sits under spring tension at rest.  Something that was not nec=
essary with the original 62 year old cable. So, does anyone have an original=
 cable in or out of the car they would be willing to measure?  Of course my o=
ffer to buy an original still stands.
>>>>>>> Mike M
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 10:31 AM crusaderchuck55--- via Spridgets <=
[email-masked]> wrote:
>>>>>>>> When physically laying old ( in spite of a slight bit of trying?) C=
able next to the new one , how much difference is there in the shielding len=
gth and actual cable length?
>>>>>>>> Reason I ask is this is bringing back something I kinda/sorta remem=
ber from my Bugeye when it was reassembled over 25 years ago??
>>>>>>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/spridgets  http://autox.team=
.net/archive
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">No n=
eed for a red face. &nbsp;:-) &nbsp;Maybe the cable wasn't pushed all the wa=
y home when you tried to install it.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote t=
ype=3D"cite">On Jan 31, 2022, at 5:41 PM, Michael MacLean &lt;springer.mike5=
[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><=
div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Yes, red faced and all.</div>=
<div>M<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D=
"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 2:38 PM Rick Fisk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px s=
olid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=
=BB=BF<div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Woohoo!&nbsp; You got it fixed=
. &nbsp;=F0=9F=91=8D</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On J=
an 31, 2022, at 5:29 PM, Michael MacLean &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:springer.mike=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>=
<br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<=
div dir=3D"ltr"><div>OK.&nbsp; Let me put this to rest.&nbsp; Apparently 19 1=
/2 inches is correct.&nbsp; I can admit when I am wrong, but with an explana=
tion.&nbsp; Of the multitude.&nbsp; I mean, how can you screw up two holes y=
ou just pulled something out of and a direct route to the solenoid from the f=
irewall. &nbsp; Of the multiple times I installed and reinstalled this repro=
duction cable it came out too short.&nbsp; I know the routing of the cable t=
hrough the dash and firewall was correct.&nbsp; So, when Rick came up with t=
he measurement of an original cable of the same as the reproduction, I went o=
ut to the car in the garage to see if I had made a basic mistake from the be=
ginning.&nbsp; In reality, I had not, but for some reason this last time I r=
e-installed the connection I installed the wire first into the connector, th=
en slid it over the shaft of the solenoid.&nbsp; I was completely dumbfounde=
d when it slid over the shaft and stopped when I ran out of slack!&nbsp; I c=
annot explain it, but every time I installed it prior to this I installed th=
e connector to the shaft&nbsp; first, then tried to slip the cable into the c=
onnector. By reversing that sequence, it fits!&nbsp; What the heck?&nbsp; So=
rry to get everyone worked up over this today, but I have been struggling wi=
th this since yesterday.&nbsp; Still looking to buy an original cable though=
.&nbsp; The engraving is not exactly the same.&nbsp; Well, I had to find som=
ething wrong with it, didn't I?</div><div>Mike M<br></div></div><br><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 31, 202=
2 at 1:32 PM Rick Fisk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D=
"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,=
204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">Hi Mike,</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Look clos=
ely at the photo.&nbsp; The cable doesn't quite make it to 19 1/2" in the ph=
oto, but it does if you straighten out the cable.&nbsp; I couldn't hold the c=
able and take the photo at the same time.&nbsp; This cable was installed on m=
y car when I bought it in 1968, so I'm pretty sure it's the original starter=
 cable.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Rick</div><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jan 31, 20=
22, at 4:24 PM, Michael MacLean &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:springer.mike51@gmail.=
com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></blo=
ckquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D=
"auto">Rick seems to me from that picture you might get a little more length=
 if you straightened out the cable, or am I seeing&nbsp;it wrong?<div dir=3D=
"auto">Mike M</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" cla=
ss=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 31, 2022, 12:30 PM Rick Fisk &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wr=
ote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0=
.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"au=
to"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Mike,</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><=
br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I measure 19 1/2" from the back of the knob to the=
 tip of the cable.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Rick</di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><img data-unique-identifier=3D=
""><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jan 31, 2022,=
 at 2:39 PM, Michael MacLean via Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@a=
utox.team.net" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=
=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Chuck,</div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; I can't tell you exactly.&nbsp; The original 62 year old cable was cut=
 in half when it contacted the negative battery brown wire.&nbsp; The cable a=
nd sheath were welded together in each half where it was cut.&nbsp; I might b=
e able to find the pieces, but I threw them away in my shop waste basket in d=
isgust.&nbsp; I would be interested to find out the measurement from the bac=
k of the black knob to the tip of the braided cable of an original if someon=
e has one.&nbsp; It would be easy to just loosen the set screw and pull it o=
ut for measurement.&nbsp; The reproduction measures 19 1/2 inches from the b=
lack knob where it sits flush against the dash fitting to the tip of the cab=
le.&nbsp; It needs another 1/4 inch to sit in the connector on the starter s=
olenoid and flush against the dash with no play.&nbsp; That also means the c=
onnector is fully engaged with the shaft on the starter solenoid without bei=
ng under spring tension.&nbsp; I have made the repro work, but I had to pull=
 the shaft of the solenoid out about a 1/4 inch to get good engagement of bo=
th the wire and the solenoid shaft which means it sits under spring tension a=
t rest.&nbsp; Something that was not necessary with the original 62 year old=
 cable. So, does anyone have an original cable in or out of the car they wou=
ld be willing to measure?&nbsp; Of course my offer to buy an original still s=
tands.</div><div>Mike M<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 10:31 AM crusaderchu=
ck55--- via Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D=
"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></=
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er-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"font=
-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div>Quest=
ion,</div><div>I might have missed this so I shall ask..</div><div>When phys=
ically laying old ( in spite of a slight bit of trying?) Cable next to the n=
ew one , how much difference is there in the shielding length and actual cab=
le length?</div><div>Reason I ask is this is bringing back something I kinda=
/sorta remember from my Bugeye when it was reassembled over 25 years ago??</=
div><div>Chuck</div></div></div>------------------------<br>
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