Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Springs?

From: Weslake1330 via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 17:20:50 +0100

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Might not so much be a bad spring but a mis-matched pair you have been
sold.  I know its a PITA but I would swap the springs from one side of the
car to the other and see if the ride height difference also transfers
sides.  if it doesn't you have some other problem (damaged wishbone and pan
or whatever) that's the issue.

Spring rates can vary along with spring height so while spacing the
wishbone pan is attractive and my first though until I read what Chuck
says, he is right, don't space the wishbone pan on a single side.

Regards

Daniel

On Wed, 26 Aug 2020 at 19:50, Bill L. via Spridgets <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> Hello Spridgets,
>
>   Soooo... I had the front end rebuilt last year. The car (Sprite MK
>   III) sits too high in the front, visually. The bottom of the fender
>   is about 2 3/4" above the top of the tire on the left (driver) side
>   and 3 1/4" above the tire on the right side. ...
>
>   I see the the workshop manual that there were actually 3 different
>   length springs from Bugeye to Mk IV with a total difference of about
>   1/2", tho the load rating never changes. I only see two different
>   springs offered for sale.
>
>   So, a few  questions.
>
>   A) how far above the tire should the bottom of the fender be? Could
>   someone (multiple people) measure and report?
>
>   B) Should I just lower the spring pan 1/2" on one side to get the
>   car to sit level? Is there a downside to this (It IS a cure for
>   "bachelor lean" and I had it like that before the front end rebuild)
>
>   C) Has anyone had custom springs made, and if so where and does the
>   company have records to get another set made up?
>
>   D)If I get a set made up, should I then go ahead and have different
>   lengths made to make the car sit even? or go with the spring pan
>   lowering?
>
>   E) Does taking a set amount (say 1") from the length of the spring
>   lower the by exactly that amount, or is there some other effect
>   going on to make it some multiple or a fraction of the 1"?
>
>
>   I know there are some racers out there who have lowered the front
>   end much more than stock. What's the method .. Spring pan? Spring
>   set? or something else?
>
>
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Might not so much be a bad spring but a mis-matched pair y=
ou have been sold.=C2=A0 I know its a PITA but I would swap the springs fro=
m one side of the car to the=C2=A0other and see if the ride height differen=
ce also transfers sides.=C2=A0 if it doesn&#39;t you have some other proble=
m (damaged wishbone and pan or whatever) that&#39;s the issue.<div><br></di=
v><div>Spring rates can vary along with spring height so while spacing the =
wishbone pan is attractive=C2=A0and my first though until I read what Chuck=
 says, he is right, don&#39;t space the wishbone=C2=A0pan on a single side.=
</div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>D=
aniel</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"g=
mail_attr">On Wed, 26 Aug 2020 at 19:50, Bill L. via Spridgets &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote=
:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.=
8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hello Spridget=
s,<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 Soooo... I had the front end rebuilt last year. The car (Sprite MK<b=
r>
=C2=A0 III) sits too high in the front, visually. The bottom of the fender<=
br>
=C2=A0 is about 2 3/4&quot; above the top of the tire on the left (driver) =
side<br>
=C2=A0 and 3 1/4&quot; above the tire on the right side. ...<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 I see the the workshop manual that there were actually 3 different<b=
r>
=C2=A0 length springs from Bugeye to Mk IV with a total difference of about=
<br>
=C2=A0 1/2&quot;, tho the load rating never changes. I only see two differe=
nt<br>
=C2=A0 springs offered for sale.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 So, a few=C2=A0 questions.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 A) how far above the tire should the bottom of the fender be? Could<=
br>
=C2=A0 someone (multiple people) measure and report?<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 B) Should I just lower the spring pan 1/2&quot; on one side to get t=
he<br>
=C2=A0 car to sit level? Is there a downside to this (It IS a cure for<br>
=C2=A0 &quot;bachelor lean&quot; and I had it like that before the front en=
d rebuild)<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 C) Has anyone had custom springs made, and if so where and does the<=
br>
=C2=A0 company have records to get another set made up?<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 D)If I get a set made up, should I then go ahead and have different<=
br>
=C2=A0 lengths made to make the car sit even? or go with the spring pan<br>
=C2=A0 lowering?<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 E) Does taking a set amount (say 1&quot;) from the length of the spr=
ing<br>
=C2=A0 lower the by exactly that amount, or is there some other effect<br>
=C2=A0 going on to make it some multiple or a fraction of the 1&quot;?<br>
<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 I know there are some racers out there who have lowered the front<br=
=C2=A0 end much more than stock. What&#39;s the method .. Spring pan? Sprin=
g<br>
=C2=A0 set? or something else?<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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From: Michael MacLean via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 17:19:02 +0000 (UTC)

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 Rear leaf springs that are weak or have lost their curve can cause a lean =
if on leaf spring is stronger than the other.Mike MacLean

    On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 9:21:13 AM PDT, Weslake1330 via Spridgets=
 <[email-masked]> wrote: =20
=20
 Might not so much be a bad spring but a mis-matched pair you have been sol=
d.=C2=A0 I know its a PITA but I would swap the springs from one side of th=
e car to the=C2=A0other and see if the ride height difference also transfer=
s sides.=C2=A0 if it doesn't you have some other problem (damaged wishbone =
and pan or whatever) that's the issue.
Spring rates can vary along with spring height so while spacing the wishbon=
e pan is attractive=C2=A0and my first though until I read what Chuck says, =
he is right, don't space the wishbone=C2=A0pan on a single side.
Regards

Daniel
On Wed, 26 Aug 2020 at 19:50, Bill L. via Spridgets <[email-masked]=
et> wrote:

Hello Spridgets,

=C2=A0 Soooo... I had the front end rebuilt last year. The car (Sprite MK
=C2=A0 III) sits too high in the front, visually. The bottom of the fender
=C2=A0 is about 2 3/4" above the top of the tire on the left (driver) side
=C2=A0 and 3 1/4" above the tire on the right side. ...

=C2=A0 I see the the workshop manual that there were actually 3 different
=C2=A0 length springs from Bugeye to Mk IV with a total difference of about
=C2=A0 1/2", tho the load rating never changes. I only see two different
=C2=A0 springs offered for sale.

=C2=A0 So, a few=C2=A0 questions.

=C2=A0 A) how far above the tire should the bottom of the fender be? Could
=C2=A0 someone (multiple people) measure and report?

=C2=A0 B) Should I just lower the spring pan 1/2" on one side to get the
=C2=A0 car to sit level? Is there a downside to this (It IS a cure for
=C2=A0 "bachelor lean" and I had it like that before the front end rebuild)

=C2=A0 C) Has anyone had custom springs made, and if so where and does the
=C2=A0 company have records to get another set made up?

=C2=A0 D)If I get a set made up, should I then go ahead and have different
=C2=A0 lengths made to make the car sit even? or go with the spring pan
=C2=A0 lowering?

=C2=A0 E) Does taking a set amount (say 1") from the length of the spring
=C2=A0 lower the by exactly that amount, or is there some other effect
=C2=A0 going on to make it some multiple or a fraction of the 1"?

=C2=A0 I know there are some racers out there who have lowered the front
=C2=A0 end much more than stock. What's the method .. Spring pan? Spring
=C2=A0 set? or something else?

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        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Rear leaf springs that are w=
eak or have lost their curve can cause a lean if on leaf spring is stronger=
 than the other.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Mike MacLean<b=
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                    On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 9:21:13 AM PDT, Weslake13=
30 via Spridgets &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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                <div><div id=3D"yiv0672802555"><div dir=3D"ltr">Might not s=
o much be a bad spring but a mis-matched pair you have been sold.&nbsp; I k=
now its a PITA but I would swap the springs from one side of the car to the=
&nbsp;other and see if the ride height difference also transfers sides.&nbs=
p; if it doesn't you have some other problem (damaged wishbone and pan or w=
hatever) that's the issue.<div><br></div><div>Spring rates can vary along w=
ith spring height so while spacing the wishbone pan is attractive&nbsp;and =
my first though until I read what Chuck says, he is right, don't space the =
wishbone&nbsp;pan on a single side.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><=
div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Daniel</div></div><br><div class=3D"yiv06=
72802555gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"yiv0672802555gmail_attr">On =
Wed, 26 Aug 2020 at 19:50, Bill L. via Spridgets &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ym=
ailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div>=
<blockquote class=3D"yiv0672802555gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px =
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;">Hello Sprid=
gets,<br>
<br>
&nbsp; Soooo... I had the front end rebuilt last year. The car (Sprite MK<b=
r>
&nbsp; III) sits too high in the front, visually. The bottom of the fender<=
br>
&nbsp; is about 2 3/4" above the top of the tire on the left (driver) side<=
br>
&nbsp; and 3 1/4" above the tire on the right side. ...<br>
<br>
&nbsp; I see the the workshop manual that there were actually 3 different<b=
r>
&nbsp; length springs from Bugeye to Mk IV with a total difference of about=
<br>
&nbsp; 1/2", tho the load rating never changes. I only see two different<br=
&nbsp; springs offered for sale.<br>
<br>
&nbsp; So, a few&nbsp; questions.<br>
<br>
&nbsp; A) how far above the tire should the bottom of the fender be? Could<=
br>
&nbsp; someone (multiple people) measure and report?<br>
<br>
&nbsp; B) Should I just lower the spring pan 1/2" on one side to get the<br=
&nbsp; car to sit level? Is there a downside to this (It IS a cure for<br>
&nbsp; "bachelor lean" and I had it like that before the front end rebuild)=
<br>
<br>
&nbsp; C) Has anyone had custom springs made, and if so where and does the<=
br>
&nbsp; company have records to get another set made up?<br>
<br>
&nbsp; D)If I get a set made up, should I then go ahead and have different<=
br>
&nbsp; lengths made to make the car sit even? or go with the spring pan<br>
&nbsp; lowering?<br>
<br>
&nbsp; E) Does taking a set amount (say 1") from the length of the spring<b=
r>
&nbsp; lower the by exactly that amount, or is there some other effect<br>
&nbsp; going on to make it some multiple or a fraction of the 1"?<br>
<br>
<br>
&nbsp; I know there are some racers out there who have lowered the front<br=
&nbsp; end much more than stock. What's the method .. Spring pan? Spring<br=
&nbsp; set? or something else?<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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From: "Bill L. via Spridgets" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 10:28:12 -0700

Hello Weslake1330,

       I'll have the front springs checked for a mis match. .. THey're
       new but Norry's law, "just because it's new doesn't mean it's
       good" applies.

       Lets's say for the sake of argument that the springs ARE
       matched in length. Perhaps the front end  chassis legs are
       bent? in that case would there be a downside to having a set or
       springs MADE that were of different lengths but had the same
       spring rate as each other?

She who rides bike peddles ass all over town.

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