Subject: [Spridgets] Fwd: My car didn't start either - different reason.

From: Alan via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2020 09:46:50 -0400

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> From: Alan <[email-masked]>
> Date: July 4, 2020 at 9:46:10 AM EDT
> To: Tim Collins <[email-masked]>
> Subject: Re:  [Spridgets] My car didn't start either - different reason.
>=20
> =EF=BB=BFI use a glass Purolator fuel filter with changeable inner cartrid=
ge.
> Keep it away from the heat of thecmanifold.
> That allows a visual of gas color and flow including any bubbles as or if g=
as moves to the floats
> That might help troubleshoot
> Alan
>=20
> Sent from my iPad
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>>> On Jul 4, 2020, at 9:15 AM, Tim Collins via Spridgets <[email-masked]=
eam.net> wrote:
>>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BF
>> Hi guys,
>> Vapor Lock
>> I was out for a ride yesterday in my 1966 Sprite to view damage caused by=
 the failure of two dams in my community. This meant driving through subdivi=
sions at low speed. Also, I stopped for about 10 minutes (engine off) to tal=
k to an acquaintance about damage to his home. I had a little trouble restar=
ting the car, but it did start.=20
>>=20
>> On the way home I stalled the engine at a stop light on a 4 lane artery (=
with center turn lane) and it wouldn't restart. Fortunately, traffic was lig=
ht and I had an opportunity to push the car into the service drive of a stri=
p mall. There happened to be a tree/shade at the entrance so I stopped there=
 and opened the hood and waited for the car to cool. (I suspected vapor lock=
.)
>>=20
>> The (new) fuel pump (Airtex E88016E) wasn't "tick - ticking", but I attri=
buted that to the plunger not being able to trigger the electronics because o=
f the fuel lock. I reminded myself that banging on the pump wouldn't work be=
cause there are no mechanical points in this pump.=20
>>=20
>> The air temp was near 90 deg. and I was parked on an asphalt lot - it was=
 hot! I found my way home with the help of a good Samaritan. (I'm one of the=
 last people in the world not to own a cell phone) Several hours later I wen=
t back with my wife - the Sprite still wouldn't start. I called a flatbed to=
w truck ($70 - about a 3 mile haul ) and got the car home. At home I turned t=
he key and heard the familiar tick, tick. Shortly thereafter, I tried starti=
ng the car. After a few tries things got cleared out and it started.=20
>>=20
>> Troubleshooting
>> The fuel in the tank is from last Fall (could have been a Winter blend) S=
hell V-Power NiTRO+ Premium. Probably too volatile for this heat. A fill up w=
ith Summer blend should help greatly. This is my #1 suspect for the cause of=
 the problem.
>>=20
>> I suspect that the vapor lock occurred either: 1) in the fuel bowls, 2) o=
r in the fuel filter (WIX 33031, metal can type), 3) or in the fuel line con=
necting the carbs (low chance) 4) or some combination of these. The fuel pum=
p is in a "cool" (factory) location so not a suspect. Fuel lines from the ta=
nk to carbs are in factory locations - away from the exhaust pipe.
>>=20
>> The fuel filter is about the size of the float bowl on the SU carbs. I'm w=
ondering if the size is too large thus allowing heat soak while the fuel spe=
nds too much time in the filter? What do you think?
>>=20
>> I should have walked to the grocery store in the strip mall and bought a g=
allon of water to try and cool the float bowls and fuel filter. Anyone had a=
ny success doing this?
>>=20
>> Your thoughts??
>>=20
>> ps: Someone stopped and said I needed a clothes pin on the fuel line. Evi=
dently some people believe in that as a fix. I can't imagine any science beh=
ind doing that.
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
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utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPad<=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>Begin forwarded message:<br><br></div><blockquote t=
ype=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><b>From:</b> Alan &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><=
b>Date:</b> July 4, 2020 at 9:46:10 AM EDT<br><b>To:</b> Tim Collins &lt;thc=
[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> <b>Re:&nbsp; [Spridgets] My car didn't s=
tart either - different reason.</b><br><br></div></blockquote><blockquote ty=
pe=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" cont=
ent=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">I use a glass Purolator fuel filter with c=
hangeable inner cartridge.<div>Keep it away from the heat of thecmanifold.</=
div><div>That allows a visual of gas color and flow including any bubbles as=
 or if gas moves to the floats</div><div>That might help troubleshoot</div><=
div>Alan<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPad</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br=
><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jul 4, 2020, at 9:15 AM, Tim Collins via Sprid=
gets &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><bloc=
kquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D=
"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:large">Hi guys,</div><div class=3D"gmail_=
default" style=3D"font-size:large">Vapor Lock<br>I was out for a ride yester=
day in my 1966 Sprite to view damage caused by the failure of two dams in my=
 community. This meant driving through subdivisions at low speed. Also, I st=
opped for about 10 minutes (engine off) to talk to an acquaintance about dam=
age to his home. I had a little trouble restarting the car, but it did start=
. <br><br>On the way home I stalled the engine at a stop light on a 4 lane a=
rtery (with center turn lane) and it wouldn't restart. Fortunately, traffic w=
as light and I had an opportunity to push the car into the service drive of a=
 strip mall. There happened to be a tree/shade at the entrance so I stopped t=
here and opened the hood and waited for the car to cool. (I suspected vapor l=
ock.)<br><br>The (new) fuel pump (Airtex E88016E) wasn't "tick - ticking", b=
ut I attributed that to the plunger not being able to trigger the electronic=
s because of the fuel lock. I reminded myself that banging on the pump would=
n't work because there are no mechanical points in this pump. <br><br>The ai=
r temp was near 90 deg. and I was parked on an asphalt lot - it was hot! I f=
ound my way home with the help of a good Samaritan. (I'm one of the last peo=
ple in the world not to own a cell phone) Several hours later I went back wi=
th my wife - the Sprite still wouldn't start. I called a flatbed tow truck (=
$70 - about a 3 mile haul ) and got the car home. At home I turned the key a=
nd heard the familiar tick, tick. Shortly thereafter, I tried starting the c=
ar. After a few tries things got cleared out and it started. <br><br>Trouble=
shooting<br>The fuel in the tank is from last Fall (could have been a Winter=
 blend) Shell V-Power NiTRO+ Premium. Probably too volatile for this heat. A=
 fill up with Summer blend should help greatly. This is my #1 suspect for th=
e cause of the problem.<br><br>I suspect that the vapor lock occurred either=
: 1) in the fuel bowls, 2) or in the fuel filter (WIX 33031, metal can type)=
, 3) or in the fuel line connecting the carbs (low chance) 4) or some combin=
ation of these. The fuel pump is in a "cool" (factory) location so not a sus=
pect. Fuel lines from the tank to carbs are in factory locations - away from=
 the exhaust pipe.<br><br>The fuel filter is about the size of the float bow=
l on the SU carbs. I'm wondering if the size is too large thus allowing heat=
 soak while the fuel spends too much time in the filter? What do you think?<=
br><br>I should have walked to the grocery store in the strip mall and bough=
t a gallon of water to try and cool the float bowls and fuel filter. Anyone h=
ad any success doing this?<br><br>Your thoughts??</div><div class=3D"gmail_d=
efault" style=3D"font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" sty=
le=3D"font-size:large">ps: Someone stopped and said I needed a clothes pin o=
n the fuel line. Evidently some people believe in that as a fix. I can't ima=
gine any science behind doing that.<br><br><br><br><br><br></div><div class=3D=
"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:large"><br></div></div>
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From: miniac7--- via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2020 17:15:41 +0000 (UTC)

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I can be of no help in diagnosing the problem but, I am chiming in to ask i=
f someone could please explain what this is about "winter blend" vs "summer=
 blend" fuels.

I'm no spring chicken and I have been playing with LBC's since the late six=
ties but this is absolutely the first time ever that I am hearing about thi=
s.
Has my head been stuck in the sand for this long?
Howard

In a message dated 7/4/2020 9:50:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, spridgets@aut=
ox.team.net writes:

Sent from my iPad
Begin forwarded message:

From: Alan <[email-masked]>
Date: July 4, 2020 at 9:46:10 AM EDT
To: Tim Collins <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re:=C2=A0 [Spridgets] My car didn't start either - different reaso=
n.

I use a glass Purolator fuel filter with changeable inner cartridge.Keep it=
 away from the heat of thecmanifold.That allows a visual of gas color and f=
low including any bubbles as or if gas moves to the floatsThat might help t=
roubleshootAlan

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 4, 2020, at 9:15 AM, Tim Collins via Spridgets <[email-masked]=
.net> wrote:

Hi guys,Vapor Lock
I was out for a ride yesterday in my 1966 Sprite to view damage caused by t=
he failure of two dams in my community. This meant driving through subdivis=
ions at low speed. Also, I stopped for about 10 minutes (engine off) to tal=
k to an acquaintance about damage to his home. I had a little trouble resta=
rting the car, but it did start.=20

On the way home I stalled the engine at a stop light on a 4 lane artery (wi=
th center turn lane) and it wouldn't restart. Fortunately, traffic was ligh=
t and I had an opportunity to push the car into the service drive of a stri=
p mall. There happened to be a tree/shade at the entrance so I stopped ther=
e and opened the hood and waited for the car to cool. (I suspected vapor lo=
ck.)

The (new) fuel pump (Airtex E88016E) wasn't "tick - ticking", but I attribu=
ted that to the plunger not being able to trigger the electronics because o=
f the fuel lock. I reminded myself that banging on the pump wouldn't work b=
ecause there are no mechanical points in this pump.=20

The air temp was near 90 deg. and I was parked on an asphalt lot - it was h=
ot! I found my way home with the help of a good Samaritan. (I'm one of the =
last people in the world not to own a cell phone) Several hours later I wen=
t back with my wife - the Sprite still wouldn't start. I called a flatbed t=
ow truck ($70 - about a 3 mile haul ) and got the car home. At home I turne=
d the key and heard the familiar tick, tick. Shortly thereafter, I tried st=
arting the car. After a few tries things got cleared out and it started.=20

Troubleshooting
The fuel in the tank is from last Fall (could have been a Winter blend) She=
ll V-Power NiTRO+ Premium. Probably too volatile for this heat. A fill up w=
ith Summer blend should help greatly. This is my #1 suspect for the cause o=
f the problem.

I suspect that the vapor lock occurred either: 1) in the fuel bowls, 2) or =
in the fuel filter (WIX 33031, metal can type), 3) or in the fuel line conn=
ecting the carbs (low chance) 4) or some combination of these. The fuel pum=
p is in a "cool" (factory) location so not a suspect. Fuel lines from the t=
ank to carbs are in factory locations - away from the exhaust pipe.

The fuel filter is about the size of the float bowl on the SU carbs. I'm wo=
ndering if the size is too large thus allowing heat soak while the fuel spe=
nds too much time in the filter? What do you think?

I should have walked to the grocery store in the strip mall and bought a ga=
llon of water to try and cool the float bowls and fuel filter. Anyone had a=
ny success doing this?

Your thoughts??
ps: Someone stopped and said I needed a clothes pin on the fuel line. Evide=
ntly some people believe in that as a fix. I can't imagine any science behi=
nd doing that.

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<div><span style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 1=
0pt; color: #000000;">I can be of no help in diagnosing the problem but, I =
am chiming in to ask if someone could please explain what this is about "wi=
nter blend" vs "summer blend" fuels.<br></span></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 1=
0pt; color: #000000;">I'm no spring chicken and I have been playing with LB=
C's since the late sixties but this is absolutely the first time ever that =
I am hearing about this.</span></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 1=
0pt; color: #000000;">Has my head been stuck in the sand for this long?</sp=
an></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 1=
0pt; color: #000000;">Howard</span></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
</div>
<div>In a message dated 7/4/2020 9:50:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, spridget=
[email-masked] writes:</div>
<div><br></div>
<div class=3D"quotedReply">
<blockquote style=3D"padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left: blue=
 2px solid;">
<div id=3D"yiv2296348382">
<div><br><br>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPad</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>Begin forwarded message:<br><br></div>
<blockquote>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><strong>From:</strong> Alan &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><st=
rong>Date:</strong> July 4, 2020 at 9:46:10 AM EDT<br><strong>To:</strong> =
Tim Collins &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><strong>Subject:</strong> <strong>R=
e:&nbsp; [Spridgets] My car didn't start either - different reason.</strong=
><br><br></div>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<div dir=3D"ltr">I use a glass Purolator fuel filter with changeable inner =
cartridge.
<div>Keep it away from the heat of thecmanifold.</div>
<div>That allows a visual of gas color and flow including any bubbles as or=
 if gas moves to the floats</div>
<div>That might help troubleshoot</div>
<div>Alan<br><br>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPad</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
<blockquote>On Jul 4, 2020, at 9:15 AM, Tim Collins via Spridgets &lt;sprid=
[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote>
</div>
<blockquote>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div class=3D"yiv2296348382gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: large;">Hi gu=
ys,</div>
<div class=3D"yiv2296348382gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: large;">Vapor=
 Lock<br>I was out for a ride yesterday in my 1966 Sprite to view damage ca=
used by the failure of two dams in my community. This meant driving through=
 subdivisions at low speed. Also, I stopped for about 10 minutes (engine of=
f) to talk to an acquaintance about damage to his home. I had a little trou=
ble restarting the car, but it did start. <br><br>On the way home I stalled=
 the engine at a stop light on a 4 lane artery (with center turn lane) and =
it wouldn't restart. Fortunately, traffic was light and I had an opportunit=
y to push the car into the service drive of a strip mall. There happened to=
 be a tree/shade at the entrance so I stopped there and opened the hood and=
 waited for the car to cool. (I suspected vapor lock.)<br><br>The (new) fue=
l pump (Airtex E88016E) wasn't "tick - ticking", but I attributed that to t=
he plunger not being able to trigger the electronics because of the fuel lo=
ck. I reminded myself that banging on the pump wouldn't work because there =
are no mechanical points in this pump. <br><br>The air temp was near 90 deg=
. and I was parked on an asphalt lot - it was hot! I found my way home with=
 the help of a good Samaritan. (I'm one of the last people in the world not=
 to own a cell phone) Several hours later I went back with my wife - the Sp=
rite still wouldn't start. I called a flatbed tow truck ($70 - about a 3 mi=
le haul ) and got the car home. At home I turned the key and heard the fami=
liar tick, tick. Shortly thereafter, I tried starting the car. After a few =
tries things got cleared out and it started. <br><br>Troubleshooting<br>The=
 fuel in the tank is from last Fall (could have been a Winter blend) Shell =
V-Power NiTRO+ Premium. Probably too volatile for this heat. A fill up with=
 Summer blend should help greatly. This is my #1 suspect for the cause of t=
he problem.<br><br>I suspect that the vapor lock occurred either: 1) in the=
 fuel bowls, 2) or in the fuel filter (WIX 33031, metal can type), 3) or in=
 the fuel line connecting the carbs (low chance) 4) or some combination of =
these. The fuel pump is in a "cool" (factory) location so not a suspect. Fu=
el lines from the tank to carbs are in factory locations - away from the ex=
haust pipe.<br><br>The fuel filter is about the size of the float bowl on t=
he SU carbs. I'm wondering if the size is too large thus allowing heat soak=
 while the fuel spends too much time in the filter? What do you think?<br><=
br>I should have walked to the grocery store in the strip mall and bought a=
 gallon of water to try and cool the float bowls and fuel filter. Anyone ha=
d any success doing this?<br><br>Your thoughts??</div>
<div class=3D"yiv2296348382gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: large;"><br><=
/div>
<div class=3D"yiv2296348382gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: large;">ps: S=
omeone stopped and said I needed a clothes pin on the fuel line. Evidently =
some people believe in that as a fix. I can't imagine any science behind do=
ing that.<br><br><br><br><br><br></div>
<div class=3D"yiv2296348382gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: large;"><br><=
/div>
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From: "Bill L. via Spridgets" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2020 10:43:37 -0700

Hello miniac7---,

      because of the cold of winter, they blend the fuels so that they
      have a higher "volitility" .. that is they go to vapor at a
      lower temperature... In the summer they don't want the fuel to
      just evaporate so it is less "aromatic"....

      There are more complicated and involved explanations, but that's
      the basic idea.

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From: miniac7--- via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2020 17:48:22 +0000 (UTC)

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I'm glad to know I'm not too old to learn stuff ... thanks David and Bill.
In a message dated 7/4/2020 1:43:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, Zormecteon@co=
mcast.net writes:

Hello miniac7---,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 because of the cold of winter, they blend the fuels so=
 that they
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 have a higher "volitility" .. that is they go to vapor=
 at a
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 lower temperature... In the summer they don't want the=
 fuel to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 just evaporate so it is less "aromatic"....

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 There are more complicated and involved explanations, =
but that's
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 the basic idea.

--=20
Best regards,
Bill=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
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<div dir="ltr">Hello miniac7---,<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; because of the cold of winter, they blend the fuels so that they<br clear="none">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; have a higher "volitility" .. that is they go to vapor at a<br clear="none">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; lower temperature... In the summer they don't want the fuel to<br clear="none">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; just evaporate so it is less "aromatic"....<br clear="none"><br clear="none">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; There are more complicated and involved explanations, but that's<br clear="none">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; the basic idea.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">-- <br clear="none">Best regards,<br clear="none">Bill&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; mailto:<a rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect">[email-masked]</a>
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Howard,

Up here where it gets cold in the winter our gasoline is different in the di=
fferent seasons.  Additives are used to make for easier starting when the te=
mp may be below zero for days on end.  And then in the summer when we have c=
rap Florida style weather they change the gas again.  Been that way since th=
ey started putting lead in the gas 90 years ago.  :-)

Rick

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 4, 2020, at 1:16 PM, miniac7--- via Spridgets <[email-masked]=
> I can be of no help in diagnosing the problem but, I am chiming in to ask i=
f someone could please explain what this is about "winter blend" vs "summer b=
lend" fuels.
>=20
> I'm no spring chicken and I have been playing with LBC's since the late si=
xties but this is absolutely the first time ever that I am hearing about thi=
s.
> In a message dated 7/4/2020 9:50:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, spridgets@au=
tox.team.net writes:
> I use a glass Purolator fuel filter with changeable inner cartridge.
as moves to the floats
> On Jul 4, 2020, at 9:15 AM, Tim Collins via Spridgets <[email-masked]=
> I was out for a ride yesterday in my 1966 Sprite to view damage caused by t=
he failure of two dams in my community. This meant driving through subdivisi=
ons at low speed. Also, I stopped for about 10 minutes (engine off) to talk t=
o an acquaintance about damage to his home. I had a little trouble restartin=
g the car, but it did start.=20
>=20
> On the way home I stalled the engine at a stop light on a 4 lane artery (w=
ith center turn lane) and it wouldn't restart. Fortunately, traffic was ligh=
t and I had an opportunity to push the car into the service drive of a strip=
 mall. There happened to be a tree/shade at the entrance so I stopped there a=
nd opened the hood and waited for the car to cool. (I suspected vapor lock.)=

>=20
> The (new) fuel pump (Airtex E88016E) wasn't "tick - ticking", but I attrib=
uted that to the plunger not being able to trigger the electronics because o=
f the fuel lock. I reminded myself that banging on the pump wouldn't work be=
cause there are no mechanical points in this pump.=20
> The air temp was near 90 deg. and I was parked on an asphalt lot - it was h=
ot! I found my way home with the help of a good Samaritan. (I'm one of the l=
ast people in the world not to own a cell phone) Several hours later I went b=
ack with my wife - the Sprite still wouldn't start. I called a flatbed tow t=
ruck ($70 - about a 3 mile haul ) and got the car home. At home I turned the=
 key and heard the familiar tick, tick. Shortly thereafter, I tried starting=
 the car. After a few tries things got cleared out and it started.=20
>=20
> Troubleshooting
> The fuel in the tank is from last Fall (could have been a Winter blend) Sh=
ell V-Power NiTRO+ Premium. Probably too volatile for this heat. A fill up w=
ith Summer blend should help greatly. This is my #1 suspect for the cause of=
 the problem.
>=20
> I suspect that the vapor lock occurred either: 1) in the fuel bowls, 2) or=
 in the fuel filter (WIX 33031, metal can type), 3) or in the fuel line conn=
ecting the carbs (low chance) 4) or some combination of these. The fuel pump=
 is in a "cool" (factory) location so not a suspect. Fuel lines from the tan=
k to carbs are in factory locations - away from the exhaust pipe.
>=20
> Your thoughts??
>=20
> ps: Someone stopped and said I needed a clothes pin on the fuel line. Evid=
ently some people believe in that as a fix. I can't imagine any science behi=
nd doing that.
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Howard,<div><br></div><div>Up here where it=
 gets cold in the winter our gasoline is different in the different seasons.=
 &nbsp;Additives are used to make for easier starting when the temp may be b=
elow zero for days on end. &nbsp;And then in the summer when we have crap Fl=
orida style weather they change the gas again. &nbsp;Been that way since the=
y started putting lead in the gas 90 years ago. &nbsp;:-)</div><div><br></di=
v><div>Rick</div><div><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jul 4, 2020, at 1:16 PM, miniac7--=
- via Spridgets &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote>=
</div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div class=3D"user=
Edit" style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; c=
olor: #000000;">
<div><span style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10=
pt; color: #000000;">I can be of no help in diagnosing the problem but, I am=
 chiming in to ask if someone could please explain what this is about "winte=
r blend" vs "summer blend" fuels.<br></span></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10=
pt; color: #000000;">I'm no spring chicken and I have been playing with LBC'=
s since the late sixties but this is absolutely the first time ever that I a=
m hearing about this.</span></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10=
pt; color: #000000;">Has my head been stuck in the sand for this long?</span=
></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10=
pt; color: #000000;">Howard</span></div>
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</div>
<div>In a message dated 7/4/2020 9:50:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, spridgets=
@autox.team.net writes:</div>
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<div class=3D"quotedReply">
<blockquote style=3D"padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left: blue 2=
px solid;">
<div id=3D"yiv2296348382">
<div><br><br>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPad</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>Begin forwarded message:<br><br></div>
<blockquote>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><strong>From:</strong> Alan &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><str=
ong>Date:</strong> July 4, 2020 at 9:46:10 AM EDT<br><strong>To:</strong> Ti=
m Collins &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><strong>Subject:</strong> <strong>Re:&=
nbsp; [Spridgets] My car didn't start either - different reason.</strong><br=
><br></div>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<div dir=3D"ltr">I use a glass Purolator fuel filter with changeable inner c=
artridge.
<div>Keep it away from the heat of thecmanifold.</div>
<div>That allows a visual of gas color and flow including any bubbles as or i=
f gas moves to the floats</div>
<div>That might help troubleshoot</div>
<div>Alan<br><br>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPad</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
<blockquote>On Jul 4, 2020, at 9:15 AM, Tim Collins via Spridgets &lt;spridg=
[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote>
</div>
<blockquote>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div class=3D"yiv2296348382gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: large;">Hi guy=
s,</div>
<div class=3D"yiv2296348382gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: large;">Vapor L=
ock<br>I was out for a ride yesterday in my 1966 Sprite to view damage cause=
d by the failure of two dams in my community. This meant driving through sub=
divisions at low speed. Also, I stopped for about 10 minutes (engine off) to=
 talk to an acquaintance about damage to his home. I had a little trouble re=
starting the car, but it did start. <br><br>On the way home I stalled the en=
gine at a stop light on a 4 lane artery (with center turn lane) and it would=
n't restart. Fortunately, traffic was light and I had an opportunity to push=
 the car into the service drive of a strip mall. There happened to be a tree=
/shade at the entrance so I stopped there and opened the hood and waited for=
 the car to cool. (I suspected vapor lock.)<br><br>The (new) fuel pump (Airt=
ex E88016E) wasn't "tick - ticking", but I attributed that to the plunger no=
t being able to trigger the electronics because of the fuel lock. I reminded=
 myself that banging on the pump wouldn't work because there are no mechanic=
al points in this pump. <br><br>The air temp was near 90 deg. and I was park=
ed on an asphalt lot - it was hot! I found my way home with the help of a go=
od Samaritan. (I'm one of the last people in the world not to own a cell pho=
ne) Several hours later I went back with my wife - the Sprite still wouldn't=
 start. I called a flatbed tow truck ($70 - about a 3 mile haul ) and got th=
e car home. At home I turned the key and heard the familiar tick, tick. Shor=
tly thereafter, I tried starting the car. After a few tries things got clear=
ed out and it started. <br><br>Troubleshooting<br>The fuel in the tank is fr=
om last Fall (could have been a Winter blend) Shell V-Power NiTRO+ Premium. P=
robably too volatile for this heat. A fill up with Summer blend should help g=
reatly. This is my #1 suspect for the cause of the problem.<br><br>I suspect=
 that the vapor lock occurred either: 1) in the fuel bowls, 2) or in the fue=
l filter (WIX 33031, metal can type), 3) or in the fuel line connecting the c=
arbs (low chance) 4) or some combination of these. The fuel pump is in a "co=
ol" (factory) location so not a suspect. Fuel lines from the tank to carbs a=
re in factory locations - away from the exhaust pipe.<br><br>The fuel filter=
 is about the size of the float bowl on the SU carbs. I'm wondering if the s=
ize is too large thus allowing heat soak while the fuel spends too much time=
 in the filter? What do you think?<br><br>I should have walked to the grocer=
y store in the strip mall and bought a gallon of water to try and cool the f=
loat bowls and fuel filter. Anyone had any success doing this?<br><br>Your t=
houghts??</div>
<div class=3D"yiv2296348382gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: large;"><br></=
div>
<div class=3D"yiv2296348382gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: large;">ps: So=
meone stopped and said I needed a clothes pin on the fuel line. Evidently so=
me people believe in that as a fix. I can't imagine any science behind doing=
 that.<br><br><br><br><br><br></div>
<div class=3D"yiv2296348382gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: large;"><br></=
div>
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I'm wondering if here in the mid-Atlantic area (Virginia Beach), where the =
winters are relatively mild and the summers never reach the 100's, if we ha=
ve a consistent blend of fuels all year round.
H.

In a message dated 7/4/2020 2:03:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, refisk@charte=
rmi.net writes:

Howard,
Up here where it gets cold in the winter our gasoline is different in the d=
ifferent seasons. =C2=A0Additives are used to make for easier starting when=
 the temp may be below zero for days on end. =C2=A0And then in the summer w=
hen we have crap Florida style weather they change the gas again. =C2=A0Bee=
n that way since they started putting lead in the gas 90 years ago. =C2=A0:=
-)
Rick
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 4, 2020, at 1:16 PM, miniac7--- via Spridgets <[email-masked].=
net> wrote:

Sent from my iPad
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Hi guys,Vapor Lock

Troubleshooting

Your thoughts??

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<div class=3D"userEdit" style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;=
 font-size: 10pt; color: #000000;">
<div><span style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 1=
0pt; color: #000000;"><br></span></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 1=
0pt; color: #000000;">I'm wondering if here in the mid-Atlantic area (Virgi=
nia Beach), where the winters are relatively mild and the summers never rea=
ch the 100's, if we have a consistent blend of fuels all year round.</span>=
</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 1=
0pt; color: #000000;">H.</span></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
</div>
In a message dated 7/4/2020 2:03:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, refisk@charte=
rmi.net writes:
<div><br></div>
<div class=3D"quotedReply">
<blockquote style=3D"padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left: blue=
 2px solid;">
<div id=3D"yiv5167908426">
<div>Howard,
<div><br></div>
<div>Up here where it gets cold in the winter our gasoline is different in =
the different seasons. &nbsp;Additives are used to make for easier starting=
 when the temp may be below zero for days on end. &nbsp;And then in the sum=
mer when we have crap Florida style weather they change the gas again. &nbs=
p;Been that way since they started putting lead in the gas 90 years ago. &n=
bsp;:-)</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Rick</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">
<blockquote>On Jul 4, 2020, at 1:16 PM, miniac7--- via Spridgets &lt;spridg=
[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></blockq=
uote>
</div>
<blockquote>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div class=3D"yiv5167908426userEdit" style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica=
, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000;">
<div><span style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 1=
0pt; color: #000000;">I can be of no help in diagnosing the problem but, I =
am chiming in to ask if someone could please explain what this is about "wi=
nter blend" vs "summer blend" fuels.<br clear=3D"none"></span></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 1=
0pt; color: #000000;">I'm no spring chicken and I have been playing with LB=
C's since the late sixties but this is absolutely the first time ever that =
I am hearing about this.</span></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 1=
0pt; color: #000000;">Has my head been stuck in the sand for this long?</sp=
an></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 1=
0pt; color: #000000;">Howard</span></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
</div>
<div>In a message dated 7/4/2020 9:50:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, <a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener nore=
ferrer">[email-masked]</a> writes:</div>
<div><br></div>
<div class=3D"yiv5167908426quotedReply">
<blockquote style=3D"padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left: blue=
 2px solid;">
<div id=3D"yiv5167908426">
<div><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPad</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">Begin forwarded message:<br clear=3D"no=
ne"><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<blockquote>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><strong>From:</strong> Alan &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br cle=
ar=3D"none"><strong>Date:</strong> July 4, 2020 at 9:46:10 AM EDT<br clear=
=3D"none"><strong>To:</strong> Tim Collins &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clea=
r=3D"none"><strong>Subject:</strong> <strong>Re:&nbsp; [Spridgets] My car d=
idn't start either - different reason.</strong><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=
=3D"none"></div>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<div dir=3D"ltr">I use a glass Purolator fuel filter with changeable inner =
cartridge.
<div>Keep it away from the heat of thecmanifold.</div>
<div>That allows a visual of gas color and flow including any bubbles as or=
 if gas moves to the floats</div>
<div>That might help troubleshoot</div>
<div>Alan<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPad</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">
<blockquote>On Jul 4, 2020, at 9:15 AM, Tim Collins via Spridgets &lt;sprid=
[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></block=
quote>
</div>
<blockquote>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div class=3D"yiv5167908426gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: large;">Hi gu=
ys,</div>
<div class=3D"yiv5167908426gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: large;">Vapor=
 Lock<br clear=3D"none">I was out for a ride yesterday in my 1966 Sprite to=
 view damage caused by the failure of two dams in my community. This meant =
driving through subdivisions at low speed. Also, I stopped for about 10 min=
utes (engine off) to talk to an acquaintance about damage to his home. I ha=
d a little trouble restarting the car, but it did start. <br clear=3D"none"=
><br clear=3D"none">On the way home I stalled the engine at a stop light on=
 a 4 lane artery (with center turn lane) and it wouldn't restart. Fortunate=
ly, traffic was light and I had an opportunity to push the car into the ser=
vice drive of a strip mall. There happened to be a tree/shade at the entran=
ce so I stopped there and opened the hood and waited for the car to cool. (=
I suspected vapor lock.)<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">The (new) fue=
l pump (Airtex E88016E) wasn't "tick - ticking", but I attributed that to t=
he plunger not being able to trigger the electronics because of the fuel lo=
ck. I reminded myself that banging on the pump wouldn't work because there =
are no mechanical points in this pump. <br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none=
">The air temp was near 90 deg. and I was parked on an asphalt lot - it was=
 hot! I found my way home with the help of a good Samaritan. (I'm one of th=
e last people in the world not to own a cell phone) Several hours later I w=
ent back with my wife - the Sprite still wouldn't start. I called a flatbed=
 tow truck ($70 - about a 3 mile haul ) and got the car home. At home I tur=
ned the key and heard the familiar tick, tick. Shortly thereafter, I tried =
starting the car. After a few tries things got cleared out and it started. =
<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Troubleshooting<br clear=3D"none">The=
 fuel in the tank is from last Fall (could have been a Winter blend) Shell =
V-Power NiTRO+ Premium. Probably too volatile for this heat. A fill up with=
 Summer blend should help greatly. This is my #1 suspect for the cause of t=
he problem.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">I suspect that the vapor l=
ock occurred either: 1) in the fuel bowls, 2) or in the fuel filter (WIX 33=
031, metal can type), 3) or in the fuel line connecting the carbs (low chan=
ce) 4) or some combination of these. The fuel pump is in a "cool" (factory)=
 location so not a suspect. Fuel lines from the tank to carbs are in factor=
y locations - away from the exhaust pipe.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"no=
ne">The fuel filter is about the size of the float bowl on the SU carbs. I'=
m wondering if the size is too large thus allowing heat soak while the fuel=
 spends too much time in the filter? What do you think?<br clear=3D"none"><=
br clear=3D"none">I should have walked to the grocery store in the strip ma=
ll and bought a gallon of water to try and cool the float bowls and fuel fi=
lter. Anyone had any success doing this?<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"non=
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