Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Trailer question

From: Rick Fisk via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 13:08:03 -0400

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My trailer is a home made job, but not built by me.  It weighs 800 pounds em=
pty and has NO springs.  The tire sidewalls are the only suspension complian=
ce.  The axle is an old 6 lug truck front axle cut in half and widened.  Wor=
ks great!  I've towed it thousands of miles with no issues.  :-)

Rick

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> On Apr 19, 2020, at 12:59 PM, Bob Kitterer via Spridgets <spridgets@autox.=
team.net> wrote:
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> =EF=BB=BFLester
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> Do not know if I can answer your question but can share some experience.
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> I am assuming you want to carry your Sprite; the trailer is 20 ft or less.=

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> Then the trailer weighs about 2,000 lbs or more.
> If you are carrying you Sprite with a few other items that is about anothe=
r 2,000 lbs.
> So to have a safety margin the axel assembly including the springs should =
 have a rating of 6,000 lbs
> Also you should be using trailer tires not automotive tires.
>=20
> I always figured my car was worth more to me and would cost more to fix th=
an a trailer. =20
>=20
> The photos below was my first trailer which was 14 ft in length and I boug=
ht it used.  The prior owner had made  modifications to the interior and som=
e additional storage compartments like an almost full width diamond plate SS=
 compartment about 12 inches deep and 14 inches wide so I think the trailer d=
ry weight was more like 3,000 lbs.
> This accident was the result on one wheel falling into a large chuck hole h=
idden by tall grass.
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> Bob  Kitterer
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> 1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise)
> 1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes
> 2013 Miata
> 2017 Mazda CX9
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> Pay it forward.
> Thanks Frank
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> <Trailer Damage1 980714.jpeg>
> <Trailer Damage2 980714.jpeg>
> <Trailer Damage3 980714.jpeg>
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">My trailer is a home made job, but not buil=
t by me. &nbsp;It weighs 800 pounds empty and has NO springs. &nbsp;The tire=
 sidewalls are the only suspension compliance. &nbsp;The axle is an old 6 lu=
g truck front axle cut in half and widened. &nbsp;Works great! &nbsp;I've to=
wed it thousands of miles with no issues. &nbsp;:-)<div><br></div><div>Rick<=
/div><div><br></div><div><img src=3D"cid:F4C384EF-9D33-4BCB-B390-266F52788FE=
5"><br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my keyboard</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>=
<blockquote type=3D"cite">On Apr 19, 2020, at 12:59 PM, Bob Kitterer via Spr=
idgets &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><bl=
ockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"Content=
-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii">Lester<div class=3D""><br c=
lass=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Do not know if I can answer your question bu=
t can share some experience.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div c=
lass=3D"">I am assuming you want to carry your Sprite; the trailer is 20 ft o=
r less.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Then the t=
railer weighs about 2,000 lbs or more.</div><div class=3D"">If you are carry=
ing you Sprite with a few other items that is about another 2,000 lbs.</div>=
<div class=3D"">So to have a safety margin the axel assembly including the s=
prings should &nbsp;have a rating of 6,000 lbs</div><div class=3D"">Also you=
 should be using trailer tires not automotive tires.</div><div class=3D""><b=
r class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I always figured my car was worth more to=
 me and would cost more to fix than a trailer. &nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><=
br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">The photos below was my first trailer wh=
ich was 14 ft in length and I bought it used. &nbsp;The prior owner had made=
 &nbsp;modifications to the interior and some additional storage compartment=
s like an almost full width diamond plate SS compartment about 12 inches dee=
p and 14 inches wide so I think the trailer dry weight was more like 3,000 l=
bs.</div><div class=3D"">This accident was the result on one wheel falling i=
nto a large chuck hole hidden by tall grass.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D=
""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"=
word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-spa=
ce;" class=3D"">Bob &nbsp;Kitterer<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">1960 Austin H=
ealey Sprite (Mk IV in&nbsp;disguise)<br class=3D"">1966 Austin Healey Sprit=
e Mk III (Trevor)&nbsp;- still in boxes<br class=3D"">2013 Miata</div><div s=
tyle=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-w=
hite-space;" class=3D"">2017 Mazda CX9<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Pay it f=
orward.<br class=3D"">Thanks Frank</div></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""=
></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">=
<div>&lt;Trailer Damage1 980714.jpeg&gt;</div><div>&lt;Trailer Damage2 98071=
4.jpeg&gt;</div><div>&lt;Trailer Damage3 980714.jpeg&gt;</div><br class=3D""=
></div></div><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">
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; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing:=
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de: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><br class=3D""=
></div>
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From: Rick Fisk via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 13:38:00 -0400

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Forgot to mention in the last email that it has no brakes either.  :-)

Sent from my keyboard

> On Apr 19, 2020, at 1:11 PM, Rick Fisk <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BFMy trailer is a home made job, but not built by me.  It weighs 80=
0 pounds empty and has NO springs.  The tire sidewalls are the only suspensi=
on compliance.  The axle is an old 6 lug truck front axle cut in half and wi=
dened.  Works great!  I've towed it thousands of miles with no issues.  :-)
>=20
> Rick
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Sent from my keyboard
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>>> On Apr 19, 2020, at 12:59 PM, Bob Kitterer via Spridgets <spridgets@auto=
x.team.net> wrote:
>> I am assuming you want to carry your Sprite; the trailer is 20 ft or less=
.
>> If you are carrying you Sprite with a few other items that is about anoth=
er 2,000 lbs.
>> So to have a safety margin the axel assembly including the springs should=
>> I always figured my car was worth more to me and would cost more to fix t=
han a trailer. =20
>>=20
>> The photos below was my first trailer which was 14 ft in length and I bou=
ght it used.  The prior owner had made  modifications to the interior and so=
me additional storage compartments like an almost full width diamond plate S=
S compartment about 12 inches deep and 14 inches wide so I think the trailer=
 dry weight was more like 3,000 lbs.
>> This accident was the result on one wheel falling into a large chuck hole=
 hidden by tall grass.
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/spridgets  http://autox.team.net/a=
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Forgot to mention in the last email that it=
 has no brakes either. &nbsp;:-)<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my keyboa=
rd</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Apr 19, 2020, at 1=
:11 PM, Rick Fisk &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></=
div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"=
content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">My trailer is a home ma=
de job, but not built by me. &nbsp;It weighs 800 pounds empty and has NO spr=
ings. &nbsp;The tire sidewalls are the only suspension compliance. &nbsp;The=
 axle is an old 6 lug truck front axle cut in half and widened. &nbsp;Works g=
reat! &nbsp;I've towed it thousands of miles with no issues. &nbsp;:-)<div><=
br></div><div>Rick</div><div><br></div><div><div>&lt;image0.jpeg&gt;</div><b=
r><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my keyboard</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><bloc=
kquote type=3D"cite">On Apr 19, 2020, at 12:59 PM, Bob Kitterer via Spridget=
s &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockqu=
ote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type=
" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii">Lester<div class=3D""><br class=3D=
""></div><div class=3D"">Do not know if I can answer your question but can s=
hare some experience.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D=
"">I am assuming you want to carry your Sprite; the trailer is 20 ft or less=
.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Then the trailer=
 weighs about 2,000 lbs or more.</div><div class=3D"">If you are carrying yo=
u Sprite with a few other items that is about another 2,000 lbs.</div><div c=
lass=3D"">So to have a safety margin the axel assembly including the springs=
 should &nbsp;have a rating of 6,000 lbs</div><div class=3D"">Also you shoul=
d be using trailer tires not automotive tires.</div><div class=3D""><br clas=
s=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I always figured my car was worth more to me an=
d would cost more to fix than a trailer. &nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br cla=
ss=3D""></div><div class=3D"">The photos below was my first trailer which wa=
s 14 ft in length and I bought it used. &nbsp;The prior owner had made &nbsp=
;modifications to the interior and some additional storage compartments like=
 an almost full width diamond plate SS compartment about 12 inches deep and 1=
4 inches wide so I think the trailer dry weight was more like 3,000 lbs.</di=
v><div class=3D"">This accident was the result on one wheel falling into a l=
arge chuck hole hidden by tall grass.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></=
div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"word-=
wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" c=
lass=3D"">Bob &nbsp;Kitterer<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">1960 Austin Healey=
 Sprite (Mk IV in&nbsp;disguise)<br class=3D"">1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk I=
II (Trevor)&nbsp;- still in boxes<br class=3D"">2013 Miata</div><div style=3D=
"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-sp=
ace;" class=3D"">2017 Mazda CX9<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Pay it forward.=
<br class=3D"">Thanks Frank</div></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>=
<div class=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><div>&l=
t;Trailer Damage1 980714.jpeg&gt;</div><div>&lt;Trailer Damage2 980714.jpeg&=
gt;</div><div>&lt;Trailer Damage3 980714.jpeg&gt;</div><br class=3D""></div>=
</div><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">
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From: Lester Ewing via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 12:37:47 -0500

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Bob,

 it is a 20=E2=80=99 enclosed two axle trailer, each axle is rated for =
3700 lbs *BUT* the trailer weight takes roughly half of that capacity. I =
actually want to tow two cars stacked but the stacker takes another 1400 =
lbs so even with two small and light vehicles I go over spec.  I could =
opt for all new higher rated axles but that doesn=E2=80=99t make =
financial sense.  Adding higher rated springs, just 200 lbs more per =
spring would seem to be the way to go but I REALLY hate being on the =
side of the road 600  miles from home.

Lester

> On Apr 19, 2020, at 12:59 PM, Bob Kitterer via Spridgets =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BFLester
>=20
> Do not know if I can answer your question but can share some =
experience.
>=20
> I am assuming you want to carry your Sprite; the trailer is 20 ft or =
less.
> If you are carrying you Sprite with a few other items that is about =
another 2,000 lbs.
> So to have a safety margin the axel assembly including the springs =
should  have a rating of 6,000 lbs
> I always figured my car was worth more to me and would cost more to =
fix than a trailer. =20
>=20
> The photos below was my first trailer which was 14 ft in length and I =
bought it used.  The prior owner had made  modifications to the interior =
and some additional storage compartments like an almost full width =
diamond plate SS compartment about 12 inches deep and 14 inches wide so =
I think the trailer dry weight was more like 3,000 lbs.
> This accident was the result on one wheel falling into a large chuck =
hole hidden by tall grass.
> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/spridgets  =
http://autox.team.net/archive
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D""><div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">Bob,</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">&nbsp;it is a 20=E2=80=99 enclosed two axle trailer, each =
axle is rated for 3700 lbs *BUT* the trailer weight takes roughly half =
of that capacity. I actually want to tow two cars stacked but the =
stacker takes another 1400 lbs so even with two small and light vehicles =
I go over spec. &nbsp;I could opt for all new higher rated axles but =
that doesn=E2=80=99t make financial sense. &nbsp;Adding higher rated =
springs, just 200 lbs more per spring would seem to be the way to go but =
I REALLY hate being on the side of the road 600 &nbsp;miles from =
home.<br class=3D""></div></div><div><br =
class=3D""></div>Lester</div><div><br class=3D""></div><div><br =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D"">On Apr 19, 2020, at 12:59 PM, Bob Kitterer via =
Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" =
content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii" class=3D"">Lester<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Do not know if I can =
answer your question but can share some experience.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I am assuming you want =
to carry your Sprite; the trailer is 20 ft or less.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Then the trailer weighs =
about 2,000 lbs or more.</div><div class=3D"">If you are carrying you =
Sprite with a few other items that is about another 2,000 lbs.</div><div =
class=3D"">So to have a safety margin the axel assembly including the =
springs should &nbsp;have a rating of 6,000 lbs</div><div class=3D"">Also =
you should be using trailer tires not automotive tires.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I always figured my car =
was worth more to me and would cost more to fix than a trailer. =
&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">The =
photos below was my first trailer which was 14 ft in length and I bought =
it used. &nbsp;The prior owner had made &nbsp;modifications to the =
interior and some additional storage compartments like an almost full =
width diamond plate SS compartment about 12 inches deep and 14 inches =
wide so I think the trailer dry weight was more like 3,000 =
lbs.</div><div class=3D"">This accident was the result on one wheel =
falling into a large chuck hole hidden by tall grass.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: =
space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">Bob &nbsp;Kitterer<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV =
in&nbsp;disguise)<br class=3D"">1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III =
(Trevor)&nbsp;- still in boxes<br class=3D"">2013 Miata</div><div =
style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: =
after-white-space;" class=3D"">2017 Mazda CX9<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Pay it forward.<br class=3D"">Thanks Frank</div></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">&lt;Trailer Damage1 =
980714.jpeg&gt;</div><div class=3D"">&lt;Trailer Damage2 =
980714.jpeg&gt;</div><div class=3D"">&lt;Trailer Damage3 =
980714.jpeg&gt;</div><br class=3D""></div></div><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">
<div style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: =
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
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