Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Linda's disc brakes

From: Rick Fisk via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 10:18:26 -0400

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I always leave the cap on the master (it's vented).  If you leave the cap of=
f you sometimes will get brake fluid splashing out causing a big mess when y=
ou pump hard.  If the cap is plugged your brakes won't work anyways as the v=
ent is essential for proper operation of the master.

Sent from my keyboard

> On Jun 30, 2019, at 9:48 AM, crusaderchuck55--- via Spridgets <spridgets@a=
utox.team.net> wrote:
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> Hold it guys!  Unless Linda's car was completely changed to a dual brake m=
aster cylinder and all new lines installed to acomodate the pressure switch s=
he has none of this.   Her car has the stock brake & clutch master cylinder.=

> As far as bleeding a spridget brake system it's advisable to remove the ma=
ster cylinder cap or at the very least crack it open.  Why?  The cap is vent=
ed to atmosphere but if there is dirt restricting the vent function , with t=
he cap in place when using a vacume type bleeder , literally you'd get next t=
o nothing.
> As well , if the bleeder screw is packed with dirt , there is nowhere for f=
luid to exit when attempting to bleed.
> Chuck
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<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">I always leave the cap on the master (it's vented). &nbsp;If you leave the cap off you sometimes will get brake fluid splashing out causing a big mess when you pump hard. &nbsp;If the cap is plugged your brakes won't work anyways as the vent is essential for proper operation of the master.<br><br><div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr">Sent from my keyboard</div><div dir="ltr"><br>On Jun 30, 2019, at 9:48 AM, crusaderchuck55--- via Spridgets &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">

    <div style="font-size: 10pt;"><div dir="auto">Hold it guys!&nbsp; Unless Linda's car was completely changed to a dual brake master cylinder and all new lines installed to acomodate the pressure switch she has none of this.&nbsp; &nbsp;Her car has the stock brake &amp; clutch master cylinder.</div><div dir="auto">As far as bleeding a spridget brake system it's advisable to remove the master cylinder cap or at the very least crack it open.&nbsp; Why?&nbsp; The cap is vented to atmosphere but if there is dirt restricting the vent function , with the cap in place when using a vacume type bleeder , literally you'd get next to nothing.</div><div dir="auto">As well , if the bleeder screw is packed with dirt , there is nowhere for fluid to exit when attempting to bleed.</div><div dir="auto">Chuck</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><div dir="auto" style="font-size:9pt;"><i>Sent from my LG Mobile</i></div></div></div>

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From: GUY DAY via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 23:43:22 +0000 (UTC)

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 In 50 odd years of bleeding brakes without using any thing other than a ru=
bber or plastic tube going down to a jam jar (preserves jar) to collect the=
 fluid pumped out, the m/cyl cap has been OFF the master cylinder and no fl=
uid has ever splashed out, no matter how hard I've pumped. When you press t=
he brake pedal the level in the m/cyl will will drop very quickly and you n=
eed to keep an eye on the fluid level - with the cap on you can't see the f=
luid level.
You can bleed drum brakes without the drum on but you need something to hol=
d the pistons in the slave cyls such as a clamp or you can wire the pistons=
 in. Occasionally useful to do when a slight leak in the slaves is suspecte=
d or you are building with the car on stands.
I had a pit mechanic, when time was of the essence, bleed a rear brake by s=
lipping the slave piston out past the seal lip, and whilst the pedal was be=
ing pressed and the cyl filled with fluid slip the seal and piston back in =
place - it worked and it cost a lot in fluid !

Linda - please remember that brakes are a bit of a life saver both on your =
side and on other peoples - they need doing properly. You errors and questi=
ons show you do not have much knowledge in that area but they do need doing=
 correctly. Having a full understanding of your braking system is really es=
sential before you start with brakes. You should not learning on the job. F=
or your sake, let someone else do them.
Regards
Guy R Day

     On Sunday, 30 June 2019, 15:18:33 BST, Rick Fisk via Spridgets <spridg=
[email-masked]> wrote: =20
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 I always leave the cap on the master (it's vented). =C2=A0If you leave the=
 cap off you sometimes will get brake fluid splashing out causing a big mes=
s when you pump hard. =C2=A0If the cap is plugged your brakes won't work an=
yways as the vent is essential for proper operation of the master.

Sent from my keyboard
On Jun 30, 2019, at 9:48 AM, crusaderchuck55--- via Spridgets <spridgets@au=
tox.team.net> wrote:

 Hold it guys!=C2=A0 Unless Linda's car was completely changed to a dual br=
ake master cylinder and all new lines installed to acomodate the pressure s=
witch she has none of this.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Her car has the stock brake & clutc=
h master cylinder.As far as bleeding a spridget brake system it's advisable=
 to remove the master cylinder cap or at the very least crack it open.=C2=
=A0 Why?=C2=A0 The cap is vented to atmosphere but if there is dirt restric=
ting the vent function , with the cap in place when using a vacume type ble=
eder , literally you'd get next to nothing.As well , if the bleeder screw i=
s packed with dirt , there is nowhere for fluid to exit when attempting to =
bleed.Chuck
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<div>                In 50 odd years of bleeding brakes without using any t=
hing other than a rubber or plastic tube going down to a jam jar (preserves=
 jar) to collect the fluid pumped out, the m/cyl cap has been OFF the maste=
r cylinder and no fluid has ever splashed out, no matter how hard I&#39;ve =
pumped. When you press the brake pedal the level in the m/cyl will will dro=
p very quickly and you need to keep an eye on the fluid level - with the ca=
p on you can&#39;t see the fluid level.<br>You can bleed drum brakes withou=
t the drum on but you need something to hold the pistons in the slave cyls =
such as a clamp or you can wire the pistons in. Occasionally useful to do w=
hen a slight leak in the slaves is suspected or you are building with the c=
ar on stands.<br>I had a pit mechanic, when time was of the essence, bleed =
a rear brake by slipping the slave piston out past the seal lip, and whilst=
 the pedal was being pressed and the cyl filled with fluid slip the seal an=
d piston back in place - it worked and it cost a lot in fluid !<br><br>Lind=
a - please remember that brakes are a bit of a life saver both on your side=
 and on other peoples - they need doing properly. You errors and questions =
show you do not have much knowledge in that area but they do need doing cor=
rectly. Having a full understanding of your braking system is really essent=
ial before you start with brakes.  You should not learning on the job. For =
your sake, let someone else do them.<br>Regards<br>Guy R Day<br><br>       =
     </div>            <div class=3D"yahoo_quoted" style=3D"margin:10px 0px=
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<div>                    On Sunday, 30 June 2019, 15:18:33 BST, Rick Fisk v=
ia Spridgets &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:                </div> =
               <div><br clear=3D"none"></div>                <div><br clear=
=3D"none"></div>                <div><div id=3D"yiv5301443699"><div>I alway=
s leave the cap on the master (it's vented). &nbsp;If you leave the cap off=
 you sometimes will get brake fluid splashing out causing a big mess when y=
ou pump hard. &nbsp;If the cap is plugged your brakes won't work anyways as=
 the vent is essential for proper operation of the master.<br clear=3D"none=
"><br clear=3D"none"><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5301443699AppleMailSignature=
">Sent from my keyboard</div><div class=3D"yiv5301443699yqt5870060730" id=
=3D"yiv5301443699yqt22895"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">On Jun 30, 2=
019, at 9:48 AM, crusaderchuck55--- via Spridgets &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" s=
hape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank"=
 href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"=
><div dir=3D"ltr">    <div style=3D"font-size:10pt;"><div>Hold it guys!&nbs=
p; Unless Linda's car was completely changed to a dual brake master cylinde=
r and all new lines installed to acomodate the pressure switch she has none=
 of this.&nbsp; &nbsp;Her car has the stock brake &amp; clutch master cylin=
der.</div><div>As far as bleeding a spridget brake system it's advisable to=
 remove the master cylinder cap or at the very least crack it open.&nbsp; W=
hy?&nbsp; The cap is vented to atmosphere but if there is dirt restricting =
the vent function , with the cap in place when using a vacume type bleeder =
, literally you'd get next to nothing.</div><div>As well , if the bleeder s=
crew is packed with dirt , there is nowhere for fluid to exit when attempti=
ng to bleed.</div><div>Chuck</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div><div s=
tyle=3D"font-size:9pt;"><i>Sent from my LG Mobile</i></div></div></div></di=
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From: Rick Fisk via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 20:34:11 -0400

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In my 50+ years of bleeding brakes I have had fluid splash out of the master=
 with the cap off.  More than once.  Probably due to the rather violent mult=
iple pumping I sometimes do in an attempt to dislodge an ornery air bubble. =
=20

Glycol brake fluid eats paint, so putting the cap back on saves on paint rep=
airs.  :-)

Sent from my keyboard

> On Jun 30, 2019, at 7:43 PM, GUY DAY <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
bber or plastic tube going down to a jam jar (preserves jar) to collect the f=
luid pumped out, the m/cyl cap has been OFF the master cylinder and no fluid=
 has ever splashed out, no matter how hard I've pumped. When you press the b=
rake pedal the level in the m/cyl will will drop very quickly and you need t=
o keep an eye on the fluid level - with the cap on you can't see the fluid l=
evel.
> You can bleed drum brakes without the drum on but you need something to ho=
ld the pistons in the slave cyls such as a clamp or you can wire the pistons=
 in. Occasionally useful to do when a slight leak in the slaves is suspected=
 or you are building with the car on stands.
> I had a pit mechanic, when time was of the essence, bleed a rear brake by s=
lipping the slave piston out past the seal lip, and whilst the pedal was bei=
ng pressed and the cyl filled with fluid slip the seal and piston back in pl=
ace - it worked and it cost a lot in fluid !
>=20
> Linda - please remember that brakes are a bit of a life saver both on your=
 side and on other peoples - they need doing properly. You errors and questi=
ons show you do not have much knowledge in that area but they do need doing c=
orrectly. Having a full understanding of your braking system is really essen=
tial before you start with brakes. You should not learning on the job. For y=
our sake, let someone else do them.
> Regards
> Guy R Day
>=20
> On Sunday, 30 June 2019, 15:18:33 BST, Rick Fisk via Spridgets <spridgets@=
autox.team.net> wrote:
>=20
>=20
> I always leave the cap on the master (it's vented).  If you leave the cap o=
ff you sometimes will get brake fluid splashing out causing a big mess when y=
ou pump hard.  If the cap is plugged your brakes won't work anyways as the v=
ent is essential for proper operation of the master.
>=20
> Sent from my keyboard
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>> On Jun 30, 2019, at 9:48 AM, crusaderchuck55--- via Spridgets <spridgets@=

>> As far as bleeding a spridget brake system it's advisable to remove the m=
aster cylinder cap or at the very least crack it open.  Why?  The cap is ven=
ted to atmosphere but if there is dirt restricting the vent function , with t=
he cap in place when using a vacume type bleeder , literally you'd get next t=
o nothing.
>> As well , if the bleeder screw is packed with dirt , there is nowhere for=
 fluid to exit when attempting to bleed.
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/spridgets  http://autox.team.net/a=
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">In my 50+ years of bleeding brakes I have h=
ad fluid splash out of the master with the cap off. &nbsp;More than once. &n=
bsp;Probably due to the rather violent multiple pumping I sometimes do in an=
 attempt to dislodge an ornery air bubble. &nbsp;<div><br></div><div>Glycol b=
rake fluid eats paint, so putting the cap back on saves on paint repairs. &n=
bsp;:-)<br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my keybo=
ard</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jun 30, 2019, at 7:43 PM, GUY DAY &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><b=
r></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>                In 5=
0 odd years of bleeding brakes without using any thing other than a rubber o=
r plastic tube going down to a jam jar (preserves jar) to collect the fluid p=
umped out, the m/cyl cap has been OFF the master cylinder and no fluid has e=
ver splashed out, no matter how hard I've pumped. When you press the brake p=
edal the level in the m/cyl will will drop very quickly and you need to keep=
 an eye on the fluid level - with the cap on you can't see the fluid level.<=
br>You can bleed drum brakes without the drum on but you need something to h=
old the pistons in the slave cyls such as a clamp or you can wire the piston=
s in. Occasionally useful to do when a slight leak in the slaves is suspecte=
d or you are building with the car on stands.<br>I had a pit mechanic, when t=
ime was of the essence, bleed a rear brake by slipping the slave piston out p=
ast the seal lip, and whilst the pedal was being pressed and the cyl filled w=
ith fluid slip the seal and piston back in place - it worked and it cost a l=
ot in fluid !<br><br>Linda - please remember that brakes are a bit of a life=
 saver both on your side and on other peoples - they need doing properly. Yo=
u errors and questions show you do not have much knowledge in that area but t=
hey do need doing correctly. Having a full understanding of your braking sys=
tem is really essential before you start with brakes.  You should not learni=
ng on the job. For your sake, let someone else do them.<br>Regards<br>Guy R D=
ay<br><br>            </div>            <div class=3D"yahoo_quoted" style=3D=
"margin:10px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid #ccc;padding-left:1ex;">   =
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                 <div class=3D"yiv5301443699yqt6160529579" id=3D"yiv53014436=
99yqt39693"><div>                    On Sunday, 30 June 2019, 15:18:33 BST, R=
ick Fisk via Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">sprid=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:                </div>                <div=
><br clear=3D"none"></div>                <div><br clear=3D"none"></div>    =
            <div><div id=3D"yiv5301443699"><div>I always leave the cap on th=
e master (it's vented). &nbsp;If you leave the cap off you sometimes will ge=
t brake fluid splashing out causing a big mess when you pump hard. &nbsp;If t=
he cap is plugged your brakes won't work anyways as the vent is essential fo=
r proper operation of the master.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5301443699AppleMailSignature">Sent from my keyboard</div=
><div class=3D"yiv5301443699yqt5870060730" id=3D"yiv5301443699yqt22895"><div=
 dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">On Jun 30, 2019, at 9:48 AM, crusaderchuck55=
--- via Spridgets &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:s=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
am.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D=
"none"></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">    <div style=3D"fo=
nt-size:10pt;"><div>Hold it guys!&nbsp; Unless Linda's car was completely ch=
anged to a dual brake master cylinder and all new lines installed to acomoda=
te the pressure switch she has none of this.&nbsp; &nbsp;Her car has the sto=
ck brake &amp; clutch master cylinder.</div><div>As far as bleeding a spridg=
et brake system it's advisable to remove the master cylinder cap or at the v=
ery least crack it open.&nbsp; Why?&nbsp; The cap is vented to atmosphere bu=
t if there is dirt restricting the vent function , with the cap in place whe=
n using a vacume type bleeder , literally you'd get next to nothing.</div><d=
iv>As well , if the bleeder screw is packed with dirt , there is nowhere for=
 fluid to exit when attempting to bleed.</div><div>Chuck</div><div><br clear=
=3D"none"></div><div><div style=3D"font-size:9pt;"><i>Sent from my LG Mobile=
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