Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Flasher Units

From: Rick Fisk via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 12:08:11 -0400

Good info Bruce.  I've had the same experience.  The last flasher unit I installed was a $2 round can unit I bought from the local mom and pop hardware store.  Works great!

Rick

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> On Jul 4, 2016, at 12:34 PM, Bruce Hamper via Spridgets <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> Here's some interesting observations with flasher units.
> I recently had the flasher unit in my '69 Sprite fail. It occurred during my trip back from MG2016 from Louisville to St. Louis.  The lights all worked, but were on continually when using the stalk turn signal.  That's not much of a problem, however flipping the stalk switch on and off to mimic a flasher gets annoying!  
> Once I got back home, I ordered up a new, correct flasher unit (8-512, square unit) from VB.  I was surprised to find that it also did not flash the lights - constant on when using the stalk switch.  The old unit was revived briefly by putting it back in the car and tapping the side of the metal can.  Works just like a broken fuel pump!  Turns out the new square unit would not flash, even after tapping, hitting, dropping on floor, etc.  The new units are only rated (as noted on the metal can) to 47W max.  Two old style tungsten lamps (original style 1156 bulbs; 27W each) would draw 54W at 13V.  As expected the new square flasher got very hot while engaged in the circuit.  I don't see how these new units can possibly work unless you have lower amperage lamps.  
> I switched to a generic flasher unit from Riley; a DOT 522 round can flasher.  It works great!  Hope this saves someone on the list some time.
> Happy 4th of July and may all your flashers work!
> Bruce
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From: Linda Grunthaner via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 06:41:19 -0400

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Hi Bruce and Spridgeteers,
My stupid question is, what do you mean by flasher is that hazard lights?
I'm making sure my little 62 Spridget electrical are all sorted out and
nothing new like 4way flashers as my LBC is my learning tool to the
wonderful world of basic auto electrics....LOL.
Thanks Lin
62 Sprite "Pinky"
Running well tuneup next and some body repairs.
My video:
https://youtu.be/OMgpZQXuGSk

On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 12:34 PM, Bruce Hamper via Spridgets <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> I recently had the flasher unit in my '69 Sprite fail. It occurred during
> my trip back from MG2016 from Louisville to St. Louis.  The lights all
> worked, but were on continually when using the stalk turn signal.  That's
> not much of a problem, however flipping the stalk switch on and off to
> mimic a flasher gets annoying!
> Once I got back home, I ordered up a new, correct flasher unit (8-512,
> square unit) from VB.  I was surprised to find that it also did not flash
> the lights - constant on when using the stalk switch.  The old unit was
> revived briefly by putting it back in the car and tapping the side of the
> metal can.  Works just like a broken fuel pump!  Turns out the new square
> unit would not flash, even after tapping, hitting, dropping on floor, etc.
> The new units are only rated (as noted on the metal can) to 47W max.  Two
> old style tungsten lamps (original style 1156 bulbs; 27W each) would draw
> 54W at 13V.  As expected the new square flasher got very hot while engaged
> in the circuit.  I don't see how these new units can possibly work unless
> you have lower amperage lamps.
> I switched to a generic flasher unit from Riley; a DOT 522 round can
> flasher.  It works great!  Hope this saves someone on the list some time.
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi Bruce and Spridgeteers,</div>My stupid question is=
, what do you mean by flasher is that hazard lights? I&#39;m making sure my=
 little 62 Spridget electrical are all sorted out and nothing new like 4way=
 flashers as my LBC is my learning tool to the wonderful world of basic aut=
o electrics....LOL.<div>Thanks Lin</div><div>62 Sprite &quot;Pinky&quot;</d=
iv><div>Running well tuneup next and some body repairs.</div><div><div styl=
e=3D"font-size:13px">My video:</div><div style=3D"font-size:13px"><a href=
=3D"https://youtu.be/OMgpZQXuGSk" target=3D"_blank">https://youtu.be/OMgpZQ=
XuGSk</a></div></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote">On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 12:34 PM, Bruce Hamper via Spridgets <span=
 dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bla=
nk">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"=
gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-=
left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div>Here&#39;s some interesting =
observations with flasher units.<br>I recently had the flasher unit in my &=
#39;69 Sprite fail. It occurred during my trip back from MG2016 from Louisv=
ille to St. Louis.=C2=A0 The lights all worked, but were on continually whe=
n using the stalk turn signal.=C2=A0 That&#39;s not much of a problem, howe=
ver flipping the stalk switch on and off to mimic a flasher gets annoying!=
=C2=A0 <br></div>Once I got back home, I ordered up a new, correct flasher =
unit (8-512, square unit) from VB.=C2=A0 I was surprised to find that it al=
so did not flash the lights - constant on when using the stalk switch.=C2=
=A0 The old unit was revived briefly by putting it back in the car and tapp=
ing the side of the metal can.=C2=A0 Works just like a broken fuel pump!=C2=
=A0 Turns out the new square unit would not flash, even after tapping, hitt=
ing, dropping on floor, etc.=C2=A0 The new units are only rated (as noted o=
n the metal can) to 47W max.=C2=A0 Two old style tungsten lamps (original s=
tyle 1156 bulbs; 27W each) would draw 54W at 13V.=C2=A0 As expected the new=
 square flasher got very hot while engaged in the circuit.=C2=A0 I don&#39;=
t see how these new units can possibly work unless you have lower amperage =
lamps.=C2=A0 <br></div>I switched to a generic flasher unit from Riley; a D=
OT 522 round can flasher.=C2=A0 It works great!=C2=A0 Hope this saves someo=
ne on the list some time.<br></div>Happy 4th of July and may all your flash=
ers work!<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br></font></span><=
/div><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888">Bruce<br></font></span>=
</div>
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From: Bruce Hamper via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 20:38:29 -0500

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Hi Lin,
I was referring to the standard turn signal.  There's a small metal can on
the firewall (right-hand side) that controls the flashing of the turn
signals.  This flasher unit is the '522' round can or an original equipment
rectangular can.  It does not serve as a hazard flasher - all four corners
flashing at once.  The hazard circuit was not added until about 1968 with
the HAN9 Sprite or GAN4 Midget.  My '69 Sprite has the hazard circuit with
its own separate flasher unit, but my 59 Bugeye lacks that safety feature.
You would need to add a whole new circuit to put a hazard switch in the
earlier Spridgets.  Possible, but a lot of work!
Bruce

>> Happy 4th of July and may all your flashers work!

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>Hi Lin,<br></div>I was referring to the standard=
 turn signal.=C2=A0 There&#39;s a small metal can on the firewall (right-ha=
nd side) that controls the flashing of the turn signals.=C2=A0 This flasher=
 unit is the &#39;522&#39; round can or an original equipment rectangular c=
an.=C2=A0 It does not serve as a hazard flasher - all four corners flashing=
 at once.=C2=A0 The hazard circuit was not added until about 1968 with the =
HAN9 Sprite or GAN4 Midget.=C2=A0 My &#39;69 Sprite has the hazard circuit =
with its own separate flasher unit, but my 59 Bugeye lacks that safety feat=
ure.=C2=A0 You would need to add a whole new circuit to put a hazard switch=
 in the earlier Spridgets.=C2=A0 Possible, but a lot of work!<br></div>Bruc=
e<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu=
, Jul 14, 2016 at 5:41 AM, Linda Grunthaner <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0=
 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>=
Hi Bruce and Spridgeteers,</div>My stupid question is, what do you mean by =
flasher is that hazard lights? I&#39;m making sure my little 62 Spridget el=
ectrical are all sorted out and nothing new like 4way flashers as my LBC is=
 my learning tool to the wonderful world of basic auto electrics....LOL.<di=
v>Thanks Lin</div><div>62 Sprite &quot;Pinky&quot;</div><div>Running well t=
uneup next and some body repairs.</div><div><div style=3D"font-size:13px">M=
y video:</div><div style=3D"font-size:13px"><a href=3D"https://youtu.be/OMg=
pZQXuGSk" target=3D"_blank">https://youtu.be/OMgpZQXuGSk</a></div></div></d=
iv><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div clas=
s=3D"h5">On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 12:34 PM, Bruce Hamper via Spridgets <span =
dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blan=
k">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc sol=
id;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class=3D"h5"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div=
><div>Here&#39;s some interesting observations with flasher units.<br>I rec=
ently had the flasher unit in my &#39;69 Sprite fail. It occurred during my=
 trip back from MG2016 from Louisville to St. Louis.=C2=A0 The lights all w=
orked, but were on continually when using the stalk turn signal.=C2=A0 That=
&#39;s not much of a problem, however flipping the stalk switch on and off =
to mimic a flasher gets annoying!=C2=A0 <br></div>Once I got back home, I o=
rdered up a new, correct flasher unit (8-512, square unit) from VB.=C2=A0 I=
 was surprised to find that it also did not flash the lights - constant on =
when using the stalk switch.=C2=A0 The old unit was revived briefly by putt=
ing it back in the car and tapping the side of the metal can.=C2=A0 Works j=
ust like a broken fuel pump!=C2=A0 Turns out the new square unit would not =
flash, even after tapping, hitting, dropping on floor, etc.=C2=A0 The new u=
nits are only rated (as noted on the metal can) to 47W max.=C2=A0 Two old s=
tyle tungsten lamps (original style 1156 bulbs; 27W each) would draw 54W at=
 13V.=C2=A0 As expected the new square flasher got very hot while engaged i=
n the circuit.=C2=A0 I don&#39;t see how these new units can possibly work =
unless you have lower amperage lamps.=C2=A0 <br></div>I switched to a gener=
ic flasher unit from Riley; a DOT 522 round can flasher.=C2=A0 It works gre=
at!=C2=A0 Hope this saves someone on the list some time.<br></div>Happy 4th=
 of July and may all your flashers work!<span><font color=3D"#888888"><br><=
/font></span></div><span><font color=3D"#888888">Bruce<br></font></span></d=
iv>
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From: Linda Grunthaner via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 07:13:05 -0400

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Got it Bruce, thanks for the lesson, I saw it on my schematic yesterday and
I think I saw that little silver can under the bonnet so I'll check it out.
Great info that the 4 way safety flasher was added in 1968.
Lin
62 Sprite "Pinky"

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 9:38 PM, Bruce Hamper <[email-masked]> wrote:

>>> I recently had the flasher unit in my '69 Sprite fail. It occurred
>>> during my trip back from MG2016 from Louisville to St. Louis.  The lights
>>> all worked, but were on continually when using the stalk turn signal.
>>> That's not much of a problem, however flipping the stalk switch on and off
>>> to mimic a flasher gets annoying!

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Got it Bruce, thanks for the lesson, I saw it on my schema=
tic yesterday and I think I saw that little silver can under the bonnet so =
I&#39;ll check it out. Great info that the 4 way safety flasher was added i=
n 1968.<div><div>Lin</div><div>62 Sprite &quot;Pinky&quot;</div></div></div=
><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 14, =
2016 at 9:38 PM, Bruce Hamper <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bruce=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wr=
ote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border=
-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>Hi Lin,<b=
r></div>I was referring to the standard turn signal.=C2=A0 There&#39;s a sm=
all metal can on the firewall (right-hand side) that controls the flashing =
of the turn signals.=C2=A0 This flasher unit is the &#39;522&#39; round can=
 or an original equipment rectangular can.=C2=A0 It does not serve as a haz=
ard flasher - all four corners flashing at once.=C2=A0 The hazard circuit w=
as not added until about 1968 with the HAN9 Sprite or GAN4 Midget.=C2=A0 My=
 &#39;69 Sprite has the hazard circuit with its own separate flasher unit, =
but my 59 Bugeye lacks that safety feature.=C2=A0 You would need to add a w=
hole new circuit to put a hazard switch in the earlier Spridgets.=C2=A0 Pos=
sible, but a lot of work!<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br=
></font></span></div><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888">Bruce<b=
r></font></span></div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><div class=3D=
"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 5:41 A=
M, Linda Grunthaner <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:grunthaner@gmai=
l.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #c=
cc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi Bruce and Spridgeteers,=
</div>My stupid question is, what do you mean by flasher is that hazard lig=
hts? I&#39;m making sure my little 62 Spridget electrical are all sorted ou=
t and nothing new like 4way flashers as my LBC is my learning tool to the w=
onderful world of basic auto electrics....LOL.<div>Thanks Lin</div><div>62 =
Sprite &quot;Pinky&quot;</div><div>Running well tuneup next and some body r=
epairs.</div><div><div style=3D"font-size:13px">My video:</div><div style=
=3D"font-size:13px"><a href=3D"https://youtu.be/OMgpZQXuGSk" target=3D"_bla=
nk">https://youtu.be/OMgpZQXuGSk</a></div></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_e=
xtra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div>On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 12:34=
 PM, Bruce Hamper via Spridgets <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spr=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</=
span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div>Here&#39;s some interesting observations wit=
h flasher units.<br>I recently had the flasher unit in my &#39;69 Sprite fa=
il. It occurred during my trip back from MG2016 from Louisville to St. Loui=
s.=C2=A0 The lights all worked, but were on continually when using the stal=
k turn signal.=C2=A0 That&#39;s not much of a problem, however flipping the=
 stalk switch on and off to mimic a flasher gets annoying!=C2=A0 <br></div>=
Once I got back home, I ordered up a new, correct flasher unit (8-512, squa=
re unit) from VB.=C2=A0 I was surprised to find that it also did not flash =
the lights - constant on when using the stalk switch.=C2=A0 The old unit wa=
s revived briefly by putting it back in the car and tapping the side of the=
 metal can.=C2=A0 Works just like a broken fuel pump!=C2=A0 Turns out the n=
ew square unit would not flash, even after tapping, hitting, dropping on fl=
oor, etc.=C2=A0 The new units are only rated (as noted on the metal can) to=
 47W max.=C2=A0 Two old style tungsten lamps (original style 1156 bulbs; 27=
W each) would draw 54W at 13V.=C2=A0 As expected the new square flasher got=
 very hot while engaged in the circuit.=C2=A0 I don&#39;t see how these new=
 units can possibly work unless you have lower amperage lamps.=C2=A0 <br></=
div>I switched to a generic flasher unit from Riley; a DOT 522 round can fl=
asher.=C2=A0 It works great!=C2=A0 Hope this saves someone on the list some=
 time.<br></div>Happy 4th of July and may all your flashers work!<span><fon=
t color=3D"#888888"><br></font></span></div><span><font color=3D"#888888">B=
ruce<br></font></span></div>
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