Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Question about mating the transmission to the engine

From: Rick Fisk via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 17 May 2016 06:32:53 -0400

David,

They should go together fairly easily.  If you're against a hard stop something is amiss.  I wouldn't force it.  Pull the trans back off and see what's going on.  There are different pilot bushes, but the ID should be the same on all of them.

Rick
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> On May 17, 2016, at 1:03 AM, David Ambrose via Spridgets <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> 
> We're trying to mate a new transmission to a 1275 engine. After a two attempts at assembling the clutch using the clutch pilot, we were able to mostly mate the transmission to the engine. There's about 3/8 inch left. The transmission isn't going on easily and I'm wondering if we should use the bell housing bolts to pull them together or take is all apart again, and make another try.
> 
> This is a replacement transmission of unknown parentage other than it came out of a Midget. I was wondering if the pilot bushing might be a different diameter. Were there multiple sizes?
> 
> Thanks,
> Dave Ambrose
> 
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From: Kevin Valentine via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 17 May 2016 07:35:45 -0400

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Dave,

Check to make sure one of the locating pins is not stuck (or broken off) in
either the tranny or the engine.  Sometimes a pin will stick in the engine
and there is also a second pin in the transmission that would be meant for
the same locating hole.  There can't be two in the same hole ;)  There
should only be one pin for each locating position

Kevin V.
Tuscarora, Pa

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 1:03 AM, David Ambrose via Spridgets <
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>
> We're trying to mate a new transmission to a 1275 engine. After a two
> attempts at assembling the clutch using the clutch pilot, we were able to
> mostly mate the transmission to the engine. There's about 3/8 inch left.
> The transmission isn't going on easily and I'm wondering if we should use
> the bell housing bolts to pull them together or take is all apart again,
> and make another try.
>
> This is a replacement transmission of unknown parentage other than it came
> out of a Midget. I was wondering if the pilot bushing might be a different
> diameter. Were there multiple sizes?
>
> Thanks,
> Dave Ambrose
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Dave,<div><br></div><div>Check to make sure one of the loc=
ating pins is not stuck (or broken off) in either the tranny or the engine.=
=C2=A0 Sometimes a pin will stick in the engine and there is also a second =
pin in the transmission that would be meant for the same locating hole.=C2=
=A0 There can&#39;t be two in the same hole ;) =C2=A0There should only be o=
ne pin for each locating position</div><div><br></div><div>Kevin V.</div><d=
iv>Tuscarora, Pa</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gm=
ail_quote">On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 1:03 AM, David Ambrose via Spridgets <sp=
an dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_b=
lank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
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ing-left:1ex"><br>
We&#39;re trying to mate a new transmission to a 1275 engine. After a two a=
ttempts at assembling the clutch using the clutch pilot, we were able to mo=
stly mate the transmission to the engine. There&#39;s about 3/8 inch left. =
The transmission isn&#39;t going on easily and I&#39;m wondering if we shou=
ld use the bell housing bolts to pull them together or take is all apart ag=
ain, and make another try.<br>
<br>
This is a replacement transmission of unknown parentage other than it came =
out of a Midget. I was wondering if the pilot bushing might be a different =
diameter. Were there multiple sizes?<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Dave Ambrose<br>
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From: lotuspilot--- via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 17 May 2016 11:51:25 +0000 (UTC)

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The splines are probably just not exactly lined up. =C2=A0I always have to =
slightly use the bolts to pull the two together when I put a new clutch in.=
 =C2=A0Also the two pieces may not exactly be in the same plane. =C2=A0Look=
 at the gap all around to see if it is the same distance.

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    On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 7:29 AM, Rick Fisk via Spridgets <spridgets@au=
tox.team.net> wrote:
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 David,

They should go together fairly easily.=C2=A0 If you're against a hard stop =
something is amiss.=C2=A0 I wouldn't force it.=C2=A0 Pull the trans back of=
f and see what's going on.=C2=A0 There are different pilot bushes, but the =
ID should be the same on all of them.

Rick
Sent from my keyboard

> On May 17, 2016, at 1:03 AM, David Ambrose via Spridgets <spridgets@autox=
.team.net> wrote:
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> We're trying to mate a new transmission to a 1275 engine. After a two att=
empts at assembling the clutch using the clutch pilot, we were able to most=
ly mate the transmission to the engine. There's about 3/8 inch left. The tr=
ansmission isn't going on easily and I'm wondering if we should use the bel=
l housing bolts to pull them together or take is all apart again, and make =
another try.
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e out of a Midget. I was wondering if the pilot bushing might be a differen=
t diameter. Were there multiple sizes?
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 just not exactly lined up. &nbsp;I always have to slightly use the bolts t=
o pull the two together when I put a new clutch in. &nbsp;Also the two piec=
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wrote:<br></font></div>  <br><br> <div class=3D"y_msg_container">David,<br =
clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">They should go together fairly easily.&nb=
sp; If you're against a hard stop something is amiss.&nbsp; I wouldn't forc=
e it.&nbsp; Pull the trans back off and see what's going on.&nbsp; There ar=
e different pilot bushes, but the ID should be the same on all of them.<br =
clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Rick<br clear=3D"none">Sent from my keybo=
ard<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">&gt; On May 17, 2016, at 1:03 AM, =
David Ambrose via Spridgets &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:spridge=
[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">spridgets@autox=
.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br=
 clear=3D"none">&gt; We're trying to mate a new transmission to a 1275 engi=
ne. After a two attempts at assembling the clutch using the clutch pilot, w=
e were able to mostly mate the transmission to the engine. There's about 3/=
8 inch left. The transmission isn't going on easily and I'm wondering if we=
 should use the bell housing bolts to pull them together or take is all apa=
rt again, and make another try.<br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&=
gt; This is a replacement transmission of unknown parentage other than it c=
ame out of a Midget. I was wondering if the pilot bushing might be a differ=
ent diameter. Were there multiple sizes?<br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=
=3D"none">&gt; Thanks,<br clear=3D"none">&gt; Dave Ambrose<br clear=3D"none=
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From: dwramsey--- via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 17 May 2016 12:10:22 +0000 (UTC)

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 OK the problem is on the ribcase trannys there was a difference in the sha=
ft length between the early and later ones.=C2=A0 When installing on a 948 =
the answer was to use a thicker 1098 backing plate instead of just grinding=
 off the top of the lip on the thinner 948 plate. I can't help on the 1275 =
but if the archive is working I think Paul A covered when the change was ma=
de and the answer to your problem. As just a guess I think the later shafts=
 where longer and your answer is in the backing plate, but like I said that=
 is just a guess.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Crash.

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y and later ones.&nbsp; When installing on a 948 the answer was to use a th=
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team.net&gt; wrote:<br></font></div><div class=3D"yahoo_quoted" id=3D"yui_3=
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ticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font=
-size: 16px;">  <br><br> <div class=3D"y_msg_container" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym=
19_1_1463485322550_3270">David,<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">They s=
hould go together fairly easily.&nbsp; If you're against a hard stop someth=
ing is amiss.&nbsp; I wouldn't force it.&nbsp; Pull the trans back off and =
see what's going on.&nbsp; There are different pilot bushes, but the ID sho=
uld be the same on all of them.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Rick<b=
r clear=3D"none">Sent from my keyboard<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"=
>&gt; On May 17, 2016, at 1:03 AM, David Ambrose via Spridgets &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:sprid=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"no=
ne">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt; We're trying to ma=
te a new transmission to a 1275 engine. After a two attempts at assembling =
the clutch using the clutch pilot, we were able to mostly mate the transmis=
sion to the engine. There's about 3/8 inch left. The transmission isn't goi=
ng on easily and I'm wondering if we should use the bell housing bolts to p=
ull them together or take is all apart again, and make another try.<br clea=
r=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt; This is a replacement transmission =
of unknown parentage other than it came out of a Midget. I was wondering if=
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?<br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt; Thanks,<br clear=3D"none">=
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From: David Lieb via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 17 May 2016 20:45:07 -0500

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I have never bothered with the alignment tools. I simply center the outer
edge of the disk to the pressure plate when assembling. Has always worked
well for me.
David L

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<p dir="ltr">I have never bothered with the alignment tools. I simply center the outer edge of the disk to the pressure plate when assembling. Has always worked well for me.<br>
David L</p>

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From: GUY DAY via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 07:55:56 +0000 (UTC)

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Some can do, some can't. =C2=A0In my early days I didn't even use to see if=
 the plate fitted the gearbox input shaft and had a Ford that just would no=
t go together. =C2=A0The centre metal of the clutch plate was painted and a=
fter a few hours and an overnight think found paint in the splines that sto=
pped things sliding together. =C2=A0After this, I now try a 20 sec 'dry run=
' with the plate over the g'box input shaft. =C2=A0Over the years this has =
thrown up a couple of hiccups preventing future smooth operation.I now use =
a dummy shaft for alignment. =C2=A0Even used a 'home made' wooden dowel tha=
t will just fit the flywheel with a bit of plastic from an overflow pipe ro=
und it =C2=A0for the plate. =C2=A0It solves this type of problem for the in=
frequent mechanic. =C2=A0If you can beg, borrow or buy a Sykes-Pickavant se=
t it will fit most RWD motors. =C2=A0Ebay has a few cheap clutch alignment =
tools if you are having problems - but, David's way is good and works well.=
=C2=A0=20
Guy R Day

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edge of the disk to the pressure plate when assembling. Has always worked w=
ell for me.
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038360033yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463556002640_4967">Some can do, some can't. &nb=
sp;</span></div><div id=3D"yiv6038360033yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463556002640_479=
3"><span id=3D"yiv6038360033yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463556002640_6288">In my ear=
ly days I didn't even use to see if the plate fitted the gearbox input shaf=
t and had a Ford that just would not go together. &nbsp;The centre metal of=
 the clutch plate was painted and after a few hours and an overnight think =
found paint in the splines that stopped things sliding together. &nbsp;Afte=
r this, I now try a 20 sec 'dry run' with the plate over the g'box input sh=
aft. &nbsp;Over the years this has thrown up a couple of hiccups preventing=
 future smooth operation.</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv6038360033y=
ui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463556002640_4793">I now use a dummy shaft for alignment.=
 &nbsp;Even used a 'home made' wooden dowel that will just fit the flywheel=
 with a bit of plastic from an overflow pipe round it &nbsp;for the plate. =
&nbsp;It solves this type of problem for the infrequent mechanic. &nbsp;</d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv6038360033yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463556002640_4793=
">If you can beg, borrow or buy a Sykes-Pickavant set it will fit most RWD =
motors. &nbsp;Ebay has a few cheap clutch alignment tools if you are having=
 problems - but, David's way is good and works well.&nbsp;</div> <div class=
=3D"yiv6038360033qtdSeparateBR" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463556002640_8583"=
><br></div><div class=3D"yiv6038360033qtdSeparateBR" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_=
1_1463556002640_8583">Guy R Day<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div>=
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3603079" id=3D"yiv6038360033yqt08515"><div dir=3D"ltr"><font size=3D"2" fac=
e=3D"Arial"> On Wednesday, 18 May 2016, 5:59, David Lieb via Spridgets &lt;=
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ear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"> <div class=3D"yiv6038360033y_msg_container=
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h the alignment tools. I simply center the outer edge of the disk to the pr=
essure plate when assembling. Has always worked well for me.<br clear=3D"no=
ne">
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From: Lester Ewing via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 09:17:42 -0500

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If you=92re good, use your eye to center it, if you=92re human use a =
caliper or even a steel ruler and measure in from the edge and get it as =
close as possible.

On May 18, 2016, at 2:55 AM, GUY DAY via Spridgets =
<[email-masked]> wrote:

> Some can do, some can't. =20
> In my early days I didn't even use to see if the plate fitted the =
gearbox input shaft and had a Ford that just would not go together.  The =
centre metal of the clutch plate was painted and after a few hours and =
an overnight think found paint in the splines that stopped things =
sliding together.  After this, I now try a 20 sec 'dry run' with the =
plate over the g'box input shaft.  Over the years this has thrown up a =
couple of hiccups preventing future smooth operation.
> I now use a dummy shaft for alignment.  Even used a 'home made' wooden =
dowel that will just fit the flywheel with a bit of plastic from an =
overflow pipe round it  for the plate.  It solves this type of problem =
for the infrequent mechanic. =20
> If you can beg, borrow or buy a Sykes-Pickavant set it will fit most =
RWD motors.  Ebay has a few cheap clutch alignment tools if you are =
having problems - but, David's way is good and works well.=20
>=20
> Guy R Day
>=20
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>=20
> On Wednesday, 18 May 2016, 5:59, David Lieb via Spridgets =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
>=20
> I have never bothered with the alignment tools. I simply center the =
outer edge of the disk to the pressure plate when assembling. Has always =
worked well for me.
> Unsubscribe/Manage: =
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you=92re good, use your eye to center it, if you=92re human use a =
caliper or even a steel ruler and measure in from the edge and get it as =
close as possible.<div><br><div><div>On May 18, 2016, at 2:55 AM, GUY =
DAY via Spridgets &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
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style=3D"background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: =
HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', =
sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463556002640_8584"><div =
id=3D"yiv6038360033yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463556002640_4793"><span =
id=3D"yiv6038360033yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463556002640_4967">Some can do, =
some can't. &nbsp;</span></div><div =
id=3D"yiv6038360033yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463556002640_4793"><span =
id=3D"yiv6038360033yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463556002640_6288">In my early =
days I didn't even use to see if the plate fitted the gearbox input =
shaft and had a Ford that just would not go together. &nbsp;The centre =
metal of the clutch plate was painted and after a few hours and an =
overnight think found paint in the splines that stopped things sliding =
together. &nbsp;After this, I now try a 20 sec 'dry run' with the plate =
over the g'box input shaft. &nbsp;Over the years this has thrown up a =
couple of hiccups preventing future smooth operation.</span></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv6038360033yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463556002640_4793">I =
now use a dummy shaft for alignment. &nbsp;Even used a 'home made' =
wooden dowel that will just fit the flywheel with a bit of plastic from =
an overflow pipe round it &nbsp;for the plate. &nbsp;It solves this type =
of problem for the infrequent mechanic. &nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
id=3D"yiv6038360033yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463556002640_4793">If you can beg, =
borrow or buy a Sykes-Pickavant set it will fit most RWD motors. =
&nbsp;Ebay has a few cheap clutch alignment tools if you are having =
problems - but, David's way is good and works well.&nbsp;</div> <div =
class=3D"yiv6038360033qtdSeparateBR" =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463556002640_8583"><br></div><div =
class=3D"yiv6038360033qtdSeparateBR" =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463556002640_8583">Guy R Day<br =
clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div></div></div></div><div =
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wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></font></div>  <br clear=3D"none"><br =
clear=3D"none"> <div class=3D"yiv6038360033y_msg_container"><div =
id=3D"yiv6038360033"><div dir=3D"ltr">I have never bothered with the =
alignment tools. I simply center the outer edge of the disk to the =
pressure plate when assembling. Has always worked well for me.<br =
clear=3D"none">
David L</div>
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From: David Ambrose via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 20:47:30 -0700

Thanks for all the replies and suggestions. I'm going to separate the 
engine from the transmission, and remove the clutch. I'll double check 
that the clutch disk is a nice sliding fit on the input shaft, and I'll 
verify that the pilot bushing and transmission shaft are a good match. 
We'll try mating the engine with the transmission sans clutch to make 
sure it fits properly without anything interfering. If it fits, we'll 
have to take another shot at assembling the clutch properly. I have a 
vernier caliper to verify clutch disk centering, and I have another 
transmission I can cannibalize for the input shaft, if the clutch pilot 
proves to be too problematic.

Best regards,
Dave Ambrose

On 5/16/2016 10:03 PM, David Ambrose via Spridgets wrote:
> attempts at assembling the clutch using the clutch pilot, we were able 
> to mostly mate the transmission to the engine. There's about 3/8 inch 
> left. The transmission isn't going on easily and I'm wondering if we 
> should use the bell housing bolts to pull them together or take is all 
> apart again, and make another try.
>
> This is a replacement transmission of unknown parentage other than it 
> came out of a Midget. I was wondering if the pilot bushing might be a 
> different diameter. Were there multiple sizes?
>
> Thanks,
> Dave Ambrose
>
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