Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Spridgets Digest, Vol 58, Issue 6

From: GUY DAY via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 09:39:53 +0000 (UTC)

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Trywww.kaneyaerospace.com

The separation after the .com bit is missing in my original message and the=
 required link is not obtainable.
All the best
Guy R Day=C2=A0=20

    On Thursday, 21 January 2016, 2:51, Ron Soave via Spridgets <spridgets@=
autox.team.net> wrote:
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 Listen, kids - understanding "why" is very much the point of the article. =
Things are better when there is a purpose, a vision. When we did the Buster=
cluster, the "why" was never "To restore this Sprite." =C2=A0It was "Pam an=
d Buster will recreate their first date on Sunday in this car." Microsoft b=
rought its Zune MP3 player to market before the iPod and spouted specs, mem=
ory, size and sound quality in all its advertising. No one really paid atte=
ntion because they did not explain "why." =C2=A0Apple came out with the iPa=
d and simply stated "4,000 songs on your pocket." Everyone got it.=C2=A0
China? Not under my watch. www.kaneyaerospace.com.Made in the USA by people=
 on this list.=C2=A0

Ron Soave
On Jan 20, 2016, at 1:25 PM, Mark Haynes via Spridgets <[email-masked]=
m.net> wrote:

Point well taken- Especially the IP factor. Mea Culpa

Mark Haynes
It only goes one way- Pay It Forward

On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 11:43 AM, John Innis <[email-masked]> wrote:

That is all true, BUT, there is another layer to this.=C2=A0 My company has=
 also done business with sub-contractors in China, and I spent some time th=
ere getting the subs up to speed on the work they were doing for us.=C2=A0 =
They work we got form them was of acceptable quality, but definitely the mi=
nimum possible quality that we could accept.=C2=A0 The subs that we worked =
with did not care if we rejected some product, it was cheaper for them to h=
ave rework than to do the work to a higher standard.=C2=A0 So we basically =
had to inspect everything we got from them.=C2=A0 The reject rate was defin=
itely much higher than any of the other subcontractors we worked with.=C2=
=A0=20

Then there is the IP issue.=C2=A0 Just about every design that the China-ba=
sed sub worked on for us ended up getting ripped off and marketed by a diff=
erent Chinese company shortly after out contract ended.=C2=A0 Both companie=
s were owned by the government of China, so it seems likely they deliberate=
ly transferred our technology to one of our competitors.=C2=A0 Fortunately =
they did NOT try to sell our design in the US.=C2=A0 I am pretty sure we co=
uld have stopped them, but it would have been expensive.=C2=A0=20

On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 8:39 AM, Mark Haynes via Spridgets <spridgets@autox=
.team.net> wrote:

This article is right on point, My brother in-law has traveled to China for=
 business (very astute Engineer BTW) and stated that the Chinese will make =
anything that you want to whatever price/quality point YOU define. They CAN=
 make very good tools, but its up to the outsourcing company to tell them w=
hat level of quality they want.
Unfortunately most of the US firms are more concerned with cost to produce =
rather than longevity and quality (Are you listening HF?).
JMHO,

Mark Haynes
It only goes one way- Pay It Forward

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b(255, 255, 255);" class=3D"">www.kaneyaerospace.com</a><br></div><div id=
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_16_0_1_1453368622505_4721" dir=3D"ltr">The separation after the .com bit i=
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div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453368622505_4721" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div =
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3_16_0_1_1453368622505_4721" dir=3D"ltr">Guy R Day&nbsp;</div> <div class=
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ay: block;"> <div style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helv=
etica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div style=3D"f=
ont-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande,=
 Sans-Serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"A=
rial"> On Thursday, 21 January 2016, 2:51, Ron Soave via Spridgets &lt;spri=
[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br></font></div>  <br><br> <div class=3D"y_=
msg_container"><div id=3D"yiv5034809551"><div><div>Listen, kids - understan=
ding "why" is very much the point of the article. Things are better when th=
ere is a purpose, a vision. When we did the Bustercluster, the "why" was ne=
ver "To restore this Sprite." &nbsp;It was "Pam and Buster will recreate th=
eir first date on Sunday in this car." Microsoft brought its Zune MP3 playe=
r to market before the iPod and spouted specs, memory, size and sound quali=
ty in all its advertising. No one really paid attention because they did no=
t explain "why." &nbsp;Apple came out with the iPad and simply stated "4,00=
0 songs on your pocket." Everyone got it.&nbsp;</div><div id=3D"yiv50348095=
51AppleMailSignature"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div id=3D"yiv5034809551Appl=
eMailSignature">China? Not under my watch. <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rec=
t" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.kaneyaerospace.com.made/">www.kaney=
aerospace.com.Made</a> in the USA by people on this list.&nbsp;<br clear=3D=
"none"><br clear=3D"none">Ron Soave</div><div class=3D"yiv5034809551yqt7212=
341681" id=3D"yiv5034809551yqt03824"><div><br clear=3D"none">On Jan 20, 201=
6, at 1:25 PM, Mark Haynes via Spridgets &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"r=
ect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br=
 clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr">Point well taken- Especially the IP factor. Mea Culpa<br clea=
r=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv5034809551gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all">=
<div><div class=3D"yiv5034809551gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Mark=
 Haynes<br clear=3D"none"></div>It only goes one way- Pay It Forward<br cle=
ar=3D"none"></div></div></div>
<br clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv5034809551gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 20, =
2016 at 11:43 AM, John Innis <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shap=
e=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br clear=
=3D"none"><blockquote class=3D"yiv5034809551gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 =
0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><di=
v>That is all true, BUT, there is another layer to this.&nbsp; My company h=
as also done business with sub-contractors in China, and I spent some time =
there getting the subs up to speed on the work they were doing for us.&nbsp=
; They work we got form them was of acceptable quality, but definitely the =
minimum possible quality that we could accept.&nbsp; The subs that we worke=
d with did not care if we rejected some product, it was cheaper for them to=
 have rework than to do the work to a higher standard.&nbsp; So we basicall=
y had to inspect everything we got from them.&nbsp; The reject rate was def=
initely much higher than any of the other subcontractors we worked with.&nb=
sp; <br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div>Then there is the IP issue.=
&nbsp; Just about every design that the China-based sub worked on for us en=
ded up getting ripped off and marketed by a different Chinese company short=
ly after out contract ended.&nbsp; Both companies were owned by the governm=
ent of China, so it seems likely they deliberately transferred our technolo=
gy to one of our competitors.&nbsp; Fortunately they did NOT try to sell ou=
r design in the US.&nbsp; I am pretty sure we could have stopped them, but =
it would have been expensive.&nbsp; <br clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"=
yiv5034809551gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv5034809551gma=
il_quote"><div><div class=3D"yiv5034809551h5">On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 8:39 =
AM, Mark Haynes via Spridgets <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" sha=
pe=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" h=
ref=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</s=
pan> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></div></div><blockquote class=3D"yiv503480955=
1gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding=
-left:1ex;"><div><div class=3D"yiv5034809551h5"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>=
This article is right on point, My brother in-law has traveled to China for=
 business (very astute Engineer BTW) and stated that the Chinese will make =
anything that you want to whatever price/quality point YOU define. They CAN=
 make very good tools, but its up to the outsourcing company to tell them w=
hat level of quality they want.<br clear=3D"none"></div>Unfortunately most =
of the US firms are more concerned with cost to produce rather than longevi=
ty and quality (Are you listening HF?).<br clear=3D"none"></div>JMHO,<br cl=
ear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv5034809551gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all=
"><div><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Mark Haynes<br clear=3D"none"></div>It on=
ly goes one way- Pay It Forward<br clear=3D"none"></div></div></div>
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Thanks for picking that u, Guy. Typos are a problem during my pompous email r=
ages.  My made in China iPhone seems to remember my typographical error in t=
he hyperlink even after clearing history!

Ron Soave
www.kaneyaerospace.com

> On Jan 21, 2016, at 3:39 AM, GUY DAY <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> www.kaneyaerospace.com
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e required link is not obtainable.
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> On Thursday, 21 January 2016, 2:51, Ron Soave via Spridgets <spridgets@aut=
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> Listen, kids - understanding "why" is very much the point of the article. T=
hings are better when there is a purpose, a vision. When we did the Bustercl=
uster, the "why" was never "To restore this Sprite."  It was "Pam and Buster=
 will recreate their first date on Sunday in this car." Microsoft brought it=
s Zune MP3 player to market before the iPod and spouted specs, memory, size a=
nd sound quality in all its advertising. No one really paid attention becaus=
e they did not explain "why."  Apple came out with the iPad and simply state=
d "4,000 songs on your pocket." Everyone got it.=20
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>> That is all true, BUT, there is another layer to this.  My company has al=
so done business with sub-contractors in China, and I spent some time there g=
etting the subs up to speed on the work they were doing for us.  They work w=
e got form them was of acceptable quality, but definitely the minimum possib=
le quality that we could accept.  The subs that we worked with did not care i=
f we rejected some product, it was cheaper for them to have rework than to d=
o the work to a higher standard.  So we basically had to inspect everything w=
e got from them.  The reject rate was definitely much higher than any of the=
 other subcontractors we worked with. =20
>>=20
>> Then there is the IP issue.  Just about every design that the China-based=
 sub worked on for us ended up getting ripped off and marketed by a differen=
t Chinese company shortly after out contract ended.  Both companies were own=
ed by the government of China, so it seems likely they deliberately transfer=
red our technology to one of our competitors.  Fortunately they did NOT try t=
o sell our design in the US.  I am pretty sure we could have stopped them, b=
ut it would have been expensive. =20
>>=20
>> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 8:39 AM, Mark Haynes via Spridgets <spridgets@aut=
ox.team.net> wrote:
>> This article is right on point, My brother in-law has traveled to China f=
or business (very astute Engineer BTW) and stated that the Chinese will make=
 anything that you want to whatever price/quality point YOU define. They CAN=
 make very good tools, but its up to the outsourcing company to tell them wh=
at level of quality they want.
>> Unfortunately most of the US firms are more concerned with cost to produc=
e rather than longevity and quality (Are you listening HF?).
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>Thanks for picking that u, Guy. Typos a=
re a problem during my pompous email rages. &nbsp;My made in China iPhone se=
ems to remember my typographical error in the hyperlink even after clearing h=
istory!<br><br>Ron Soave</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature"><a href=3D"http=
://www.kaneyaerospace.com">www.kaneyaerospace.com</a></div><div><br>On Jan 2=
1, 2016, at 3:39 AM, GUY DAY &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">grd=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div=
><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue,=
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><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453368622505_4721"><span>Try</span></div><div id=3D=
"yui_3_16_0_1_1453368622505_4721" dir=3D"ltr"><a rel=3D"noreferrer" shape=3D=
"rect" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.kaneyaerospace.com.made/" id=3D"=
yui_3_16_0_1_1453368622505_4030" style=3D"color: rgb(25, 106, 212); font-fam=
ily: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-s=
erif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=3D"">www=
.kaneyaerospace.com</a><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453368622505_4721"=
 dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453368622505_4721" dir=3D"lt=
r">The separation after the .com bit is missing in my original message and t=
he required link is not obtainable.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_14533686225=
05_4721" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453368622505_4721" d=
ir=3D"ltr">All the best</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453368622505_4721" dir=
=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453368622505_4721" dir=3D"ltr">G=
uy R Day&nbsp;</div> <div class=3D"qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class=3D=
"yahoo_quoted" style=3D"display: block;"> <div style=3D"font-family: Helveti=
caNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-si=
ze: 16px;"> <div style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvet=
ica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"><=
font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> On Thursday, 21 January 2016, 2:51, Ron Soav=
e via Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">spridgets@au=
tox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></font></div>  <br><br> <div class=3D"y_msg_c=
ontainer"><div id=3D"yiv5034809551"><div><div>Listen, kids - understanding "=
why" is very much the point of the article. Things are better when there is a=
 purpose, a vision. When we did the Bustercluster, the "why" was never "To r=
estore this Sprite." &nbsp;It was "Pam and Buster will recreate their first d=
ate on Sunday in this car." Microsoft brought its Zune MP3 player to market b=
efore the iPod and spouted specs, memory, size and sound quality in all its a=
dvertising. No one really paid attention because they did not explain "why."=
 &nbsp;Apple came out with the iPad and simply stated "4,000 songs on your p=
ocket." Everyone got it.&nbsp;</div><div id=3D"yiv5034809551AppleMailSignatu=
re"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div id=3D"yiv5034809551AppleMailSignature">Chi=
na? Not under my watch. <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank"=
 href=3D"http://www.kaneyaerospace.com.made/">www.kaneyaerospace.com.Made</a=
> in the USA by people on this list.&nbsp;<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"no=
ne">Ron Soave</div><div class=3D"yiv5034809551yqt7212341681" id=3D"yiv503480=
9551yqt03824"><div><br clear=3D"none">On Jan 20, 2016, at 1:25 PM, Mark Hayn=
es via Spridgets &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:sp=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
m.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D=
"none"></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Point well take=
n- Especially the IP factor. Mea Culpa<br clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D=
"yiv5034809551gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div class=3D"yiv503480955=
1gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Mark Haynes<br clear=3D"none"></div>=
It only goes one way- Pay It Forward<br clear=3D"none"></div></div></div>
<br clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv5034809551gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 20, 2=
016 at 11:43 AM, John Innis <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D=
"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br clear=3D"none=
"><blockquote class=3D"yiv5034809551gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;=
border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>That is a=
ll true, BUT, there is another layer to this.&nbsp; My company has also done=
 business with sub-contractors in China, and I spent some time there getting=
 the subs up to speed on the work they were doing for us.&nbsp; They work we=
 got form them was of acceptable quality, but definitely the minimum possibl=
e quality that we could accept.&nbsp; The subs that we worked with did not c=
are if we rejected some product, it was cheaper for them to have rework than=
 to do the work to a higher standard.&nbsp; So we basically had to inspect e=
verything we got from them.&nbsp; The reject rate was definitely much higher=
 than any of the other subcontractors we worked with.&nbsp; <br clear=3D"non=
e"><br clear=3D"none"></div>Then there is the IP issue.&nbsp; Just about eve=
ry design that the China-based sub worked on for us ended up getting ripped o=
ff and marketed by a different Chinese company shortly after out contract en=
ded.&nbsp; Both companies were owned by the government of China, so it seems=
 likely they deliberately transferred our technology to one of our competito=
rs.&nbsp; Fortunately they did NOT try to sell our design in the US.&nbsp; I=
 am pretty sure we could have stopped them, but it would have been expensive=
.&nbsp; <br clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv5034809551gmail_extra"><br=
 clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv5034809551gmail_quote"><div><div class=3D"y=
iv5034809551h5">On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 8:39 AM, Mark Haynes via Spridgets <=
span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:sp=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
m.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></di=
v></div><blockquote class=3D"yiv5034809551gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0=
 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div class=3D"yiv50=
34809551h5"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>This article is right on point, My br=
other in-law has traveled to China for business (very astute Engineer BTW) a=
nd stated that the Chinese will make anything that you want to whatever pric=
e/quality point YOU define. They CAN make very good tools, but its up to the=
 outsourcing company to tell them what level of quality they want.<br clear=3D=
"none"></div>Unfortunately most of the US firms are more concerned with cost=
 to produce rather than longevity and quality (Are you listening HF?).<br cl=
ear=3D"none"></div>JMHO,<br clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv5034809551=
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