Subject: [Spridgets] Fwd: Re: Engine Break-in

From: Bill L via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 07:34:23 -0800

Hello Michael,

     Sorry, There isn't agreement, there are differing "schools", much
     like Kung Fu, each claiming to be more "powerful" or "enduring".

     There's the "drive it like you stole it" school at one end, and
     There's the "easy does it" school at the other. ...

     Most agree that if you don't take it to redliine EVER during the
     break in period, a ridge can build up near the top of the
     cylinger wall that will keep the engine from being able to go to
     redline after having been broken in.

     When to change out the break in oil is another point of
     contention, but even those who advocate longer use of the "first"
     oil will agree theres' no harm in changing it earlier.

     Choose your "expert", ___ Read them all and do what you think
     best having judged your driving style vs. the style of drving
     advocated by the particular expert that is closest to yours.

     I'm no engine builder so take MY advice with that knowledge.....

     I say...... ... drive off easy..constanly vary the engine speed
     during break in. That is don't settle in and drive at a steady
     speed. Go up and down through the gears. After it's warmed up,
     take it redline and let off, back down to 2000 rpm or so, then
     back up... drive like this for the first 1000 miles. Change the
     oil at 500 miles, 1500 miles and 3000 miles, then as regularly
     scheduled.

     No idea how to get the rings to seat if they haven't, but be sure
     not to use synthetic oil during the break in period, as it's too
     slick.

     YMMV. My 2¢.

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 Bill L.                           mailto:[email-masked]
 
 '66 Sprite MKIII HAN8L49403   "the red thing"
 
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From: Bob Kitterer via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2015 08:39:38 -0700

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Michael,

What kind of oil are you using?  If it is synthetic the rings most likely wi=
ll never seat.  I use a good grade of petroleum oil for the first 1K miles. =
 Limiting the rpm to 3 K for the first couple hundred miles. Then slowly go t=
o higher rpm for the remainder.  Now I do break in's for longevity so there w=
ill be other preferred methods.

Bob  Kitterer

1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Mk IV in disguise)
1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk III (Trevor) - still in boxes
2013 Miata

Pay it Forward
Thanks Frank

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ature"><br></div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">What kind of oil are you usi=
ng? &nbsp;If it is synthetic the rings most likely will never seat. &nbsp;I u=
se a good grade of petroleum oil for the first 1K miles. &nbsp;Limiting the r=
pm to 3 K for the first couple hundred miles. Then slowly go to higher rpm f=
or the remainder. &nbsp;Now I do break in's for longevity so there will be o=
ther preferred methods.<br><br><span style=3D"text-align: -webkit-auto; back=
ground-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Bob &nbsp;Kitterer</span><div><span s=
tyle=3D"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0); text-align: -webkit-auto; f=
ont-size: 13pt;"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"background-color: rgba=
(255, 255, 255, 0); text-align: -webkit-auto; font-size: 13pt;">1960 Austin H=
ealey Sprite&nbsp;(Mk IV in disguise)</span></div><div><span style=3D"backgr=
ound-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0); text-align: -webkit-auto; font-size: 13p=
t;">1966 Austin Healey Sprite Mk&nbsp;III (Trevor) - still in boxes</span></=
div><div><span style=3D"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0); text-align=
: -webkit-auto; font-size: 13pt;">2013 Miata</span></div><div><span style=3D=
"font-size: 13pt; text-align: -webkit-auto; background-color: rgba(255, 255,=
 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size: 13pt; text-align:=
 -webkit-auto; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Pay it Forward</sp=
an></div><div><span style=3D"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0); text-=
align: -webkit-auto; font-size: 13pt;">Thanks Frank</span><br><br></div></di=
v><div><br>On Nov 2, 2015, at 7:46 AM, Michael Rowe via Spridgets &lt;<a hre=
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=A0 Is there one place where all agree on how to do it?=C2=A0 =C2=A0What sh=
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I just remebered that the "formerly working perfecty" carbs I am using to start my new 1275 engine were on a 1098 engine.  What does that imply for adjustment on this larger engine?  Should they still be set initially at +12 flats?  I do have a suggestion of flooding, but that could be from poor firing.

Michael Rowe
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From: Hal Faulkner via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 11:37:07 -0800

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Michael,

What is the state of tune of the engine?  The larger engine will most
likely need different needles.  Vizard gives some suggestions for needles
to be used in engines in differing states of tune. If the engine is stock
you should be able to use the needles that are stock for a 1275.  Careful
break-in and reading of the plugs could be important.
Hal

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> I just remebered that the "formerly working perfecty" carbs I am using to
> start my new 1275 engine were on a 1098 engine.  What does that imply for
> adjustment on this larger engine?  Should they still be set initially at
> +12 flats?  I do have a suggestion of flooding, but that could be from
> poor firing.
>
> Michael Rowe
> Holy Sprite
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>Michael,<br><br></div>What is the state of tune =
of the engine?=C2=A0 The larger engine will most likely need different need=
les.=C2=A0 Vizard gives some suggestions for needles to be used in engines =
in differing states of tune. If the engine is stock you should be able to u=
se the needles that are stock for a 1275.=C2=A0 Careful break-in and readin=
g of the plugs could be important.<br></div>Hal<br></div><div class=3D"gmai=
l_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Mi=
chael Rowe via Spridgets <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@=
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<div><font face=3D"Arial">I just remebered that the &quot;formerly working =
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carbs I am using to start my new 1275 engine were on a 1098 engine.=C2=A0 W=
hat=20
does that imply for adjustment on this larger engine?=C2=A0 Should they sti=
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set initially at +12 flats?=C2=A0 I do have a suggestion of flooding,=20
bu</font><font face=3D"Arial">t that could be from poor firing.</font></div=
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From: Michael Rowe via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2015 18:46:29 -0500

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>What is the state of tune of the engine?

It has been bored, ported, big valves, roller rockers, and a "warm" Elgin cam.  Initially it had an old HIF44 carb from a Harley (chrome on chrome in chrome), rebuilt by Joe Curto (I assume with the proper needle), and a 123 distributor. But when I was unable to start it with everything new, I reverted to the older, proven, distributor and carbs.  Only today I remembered that the previous engine was a 1098.  It was built by Frank and Frankie and ran perfectly until it developed a fatal knock.  

Unfortunately, we have been travelling for  three months (13,000 miles to Alaska and back!), and I have forgotten some of what I did before (old age).  So I have started over checking all he specs.  I found the rockers set at 0.010 in., when the cam probably wants 0.015-6 in. = 0.40mm.  Don't know how much that might inhibit starting.  It now fires, but can't continue.

All suggestions welcome.
Michael Rowe

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Hal Faulkner via Spridgets 
  Cc: spridgets 
  Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 2:37 PM
  Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Engine Break-in

  Michael,

  What is the state of tune of the engine?  The larger engine will most likely need different needles.  Vizard gives some suggestions for needles to be used in engines in differing states of tune. If the engine is stock you should be able to use the needles that are stock for a 1275.  Careful break-in and reading of the plugs could be important.

  Hal

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<DIV>&gt;What is the state of tune of the engine?</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>It has been bored, ported, big =
valves,&nbsp;roller=20
rockers,&nbsp;and a "warm" Elgin cam.&nbsp; Initially it had an =
old&nbsp;HIF44=20
carb from a Harley (chrome on chrome in chrome),&nbsp;rebuilt by Joe =
Curto (I=20
assume with the proper needle), and a 123 distributor. But when I was =
unable to=20
start it with everything new, I reverted to the older, proven, =
distributor and=20
carbs.&nbsp; Only today I remembered that the previous engine was a =
1098.&nbsp;=20
It was&nbsp;built by Frank and Frankie and ran perfectly until it =
developed a=20
fatal knock.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Unfortunately, we have been travelling for&nbsp; =
three=20
months (13,000 miles to&nbsp;Alaska and back</FONT><FONT =
face=3DArial>!), and I=20
have forgotten some of what I did before (old age).&nbsp; So I have =
started over=20
checking all he specs.&nbsp; I found the rockers set at 0.010 in., when =
the cam=20
probably wants 0.015-6 in.&nbsp;=3D 0.40mm.&nbsp; Don't know how much =
that might=20
inhibit starting.&nbsp; It now fires, but can't continue.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>All suggestions welcome.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Michael Rowe</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <DIV>Michael,<BR><BR></DIV>What is the state of tune of the =
engine?&nbsp; The=20
  larger engine will most likely need different needles.&nbsp; Vizard =
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  suggestions for needles to be used in engines in differing states of =
tune. If=20
  the engine is stock you should be able to use the needles that are =
stock for a=20
  1275.&nbsp; Careful break-in and reading of the plugs could be=20
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    flooding, bu</FONT><FONT face=3DArial>t that could be from poor=20
    firing.</FONT></DIV>
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