Subject: Re: [Spridgets] A couple more dumb questions...

From: Bob Spruck via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 20:32:27 -0400

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Years ago I started using a retaining ring instead of the circlip and 
they worked fine until I came up with what I think is a much better 
solution.

I drill and tap a shallow hole in the cylinder and drill a hole in the 
brake backing plate next to the bleeder fitting and then lock-tite in an 
Allen head cap screw. The cylinder is therefore attached tightly to the 
plate and can't come loose as it would when a circlip or retaining ring 
springs off. Allen head works better than a hex or phillips. I did this 
on my race car years ago and have had no problems since. It was worth 
the effort and provides a big dose of peace of mind. Photos available if 
you like.

Since I replaced the entire rear end this past winter due to bad threads 
on the end, I have found it infinitely easier to install brakes shoes, 
cylinders, etc by removing the hub, installing the brakes, and then 
re-installing the hub. Only issue is that you need a  1 7/8" socket to 
do the job (wrenches won't work). Also a good opportunity to check the 
rear bearings for wear and torque the hub as tight as you can and use 
lock-tite or a tabbed washer (properly installed). Make sure you look at 
a photo or diagram (available from many internet sources) so that you 
get the direction of the springs right and the spring hooks in the 
correct holes. This is critical.

Bob

On 7/9/2015 8:06 PM, bmwwxman . via Spridgets wrote:
> Dear listers.....
>
> Trying to get the car back on its wheels and have run into a couple of 
> problems I can't figure out.  Thanks for the info on using a couple 
> long bolts to compress the springs.  Looks like that will solve that 
> problem.
>
> On the rear axle I am having two difficulties.
> 1.)  Am installing new wheel cylinders.  Is there some magic in 
> installing the circlip which holds the wheel cylinder in place?  Tired 
> of skinning my knuckles and tearing up the paint.  Also tired of 
> throwing things across the garage in frustration.
>
> 2.)  I've tried everything I know to get the new brake shoes and 
> springs installed. Everything except a pound of C-4 that is....  
> What's the secret?
>
> Thanks in advance for any help you can offer.
>
> -- 
> Cheers!!
> Jim Johnson
>
> The lone Spridget in Dodge City, KS.
>
>
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    <font size="+1"><font face="Arial">Years ago I started using a
        retaining ring instead of the circlip and they worked fine until
        I came up with what I think is a much better solution.<br>
        <br>
        I drill and tap a shallow hole in the cylinder and drill a hole
        in the brake backing plate next to the bleeder fitting and then
        lock-tite in an Allen head cap screw. The cylinder is therefore
        attached tightly to the plate and can't come loose as it would
        when a circlip or retaining ring springs off. Allen head works
        better than a hex or phillips. I did this on my race car years
        ago and have had no problems since. It was worth the effort and
        provides a big dose of peace of mind. Photos available if you
        like.<br>
        <br>
        Since I replaced the entire rear end this past winter due to bad
        threads on the end, I have found it infinitely easier to install
        brakes shoes, cylinders, etc by removing the hub, installing the
        brakes, and then re-installing the hub. Only issue is that you
        need a  1 7/8" socket to do the job (wrenches won't work). Also
        a good opportunity to check the rear bearings for wear and
        torque the hub as tight as you can and use lock-tite or a tabbed
        washer (properly installed). Make sure you look at a photo or
        diagram (available from many internet sources) so that you get
        the direction of the springs right and the spring hooks in the
        correct holes. This is critical.<br>
        <br>
        Bob<br>
        <br>
      </font></font><br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/9/2015 8:06 PM, bmwwxman . via
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        <div>Dear listers.....</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        Trying to get the car back on its wheels and have run into a
        couple of problems I can't figure out.  Thanks for the info on
        using a couple long bolts to compress the springs.  Looks like
        that will solve that problem.  
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>On the rear axle I am having two difficulties. </div>
        <div>1.)  Am installing new wheel cylinders.  Is there some
          magic in installing the circlip which holds the wheel cylinder
          in place?  Tired of skinning my knuckles and tearing up the
          paint.  Also tired of throwing things across the garage in
          frustration.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>2.)  I've tried everything I know to get the new brake
          shoes and springs installed. Everything except a pound of C-4
          that is....  What's the secret?</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Thanks in advance for any help you can offer.<br
            clear="all">
          <div><br>
          </div>
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            <div dir="ltr">Cheers!!<br>
              Jim Johnson<br>
              <br>
              The lone Spridget in Dodge City, KS.<br>
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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 17:35:28 -0700

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These videos on Youtube may help. Bill in Oregon

https://www.google.com/#q=spridget+circlip+wheel+cylinder

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From: Spridgets [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of
bmwwxman . via Spridgets
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 5:06 PM
To: Spridgets List; Yahoo Spridget list
Subject: [Spridgets] A couple more dumb questions...

Dear listers.....

Trying to get the car back on its wheels and have run into a couple of
problems I can't figure out.  Thanks for the info on using a couple long
bolts to compress the springs.  Looks like that will solve that problem.  

1.)  Am installing new wheel cylinders.  Is there some magic in installing
the circlip which holds the wheel cylinder in place?  Tired of skinning my
knuckles and tearing up the paint.  Also tired of throwing things across the
garage in frustration.

2.)  I've tried everything I know to get the new brake shoes and springs
installed. Everything except a pound of C-4 that is....  What's the secret?

 

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Cheers!!
Jim Johnson

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style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Trying to get the car back on its wheels and have run into a =
couple of
problems I can't figure out.&nbsp; Thanks for the info on using a couple =
long
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problem.
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>1.) &nbsp;Am installing new wheel cylinders.&nbsp; Is there some =
magic
in installing the circlip which holds the wheel cylinder in place?&nbsp; =
Tired
of skinning my knuckles and tearing up the paint.&nbsp; Also tired of =
throwing
things across the garage in frustration.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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shoes and
springs installed. Everything except a pound of C-4 that is....&nbsp; =
What's
the secret?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Thanks for all the input!  What a great group this is!  A friend suggested
I toss out the E rings and go with a hardware store snap ring.  The size I
found that fits is 3/8".  They were rather thin in a wide slot so I used
two in each one. Easy-peasy with a set of cheap snap ring pliers. Did both
rear wheel cylinders in less than 2 minutes and no struggling, drilling or
tapping. Thank goodness for friends!

Cheers!!
Jim

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> Hello Jim,
> Some guys have made a trick tool for holding and spreading the E-clip for
> installation. I like to pull the roll pin and tap the hole for a #10-32
> button head machine screw.
> John Caffrey
> Fogelsville, PA
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>
>
>   On Thursday, July 9, 2015 8:06 PM, "'bmwwxman .' [email-masked]
> [midgetsprite]" <[email-masked]> wrote:
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>  Dear listers.....
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> 1.)  Am installing new wheel cylinders.  Is there some magic in installin=
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> the circlip which holds the wheel cylinder in place?  Tired of skinning m=
y
> knuckles and tearing up the paint.  Also tired of throwing things across
> the garage in frustration.
>
> installed. Everything except a pound of C-4 that is....  What's the secre=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks for all the input!=C2=A0 What a great group this is=
!=C2=A0 A friend suggested I toss out the E rings and go with a hardware st=
ore snap ring.=C2=A0 The size I found that fits is 3/8&quot;.=C2=A0 They we=
re rather thin in a wide slot so I used two in each one. Easy-peasy with a =
set of cheap snap ring pliers. Did both rear wheel cylinders in less than 2=
 minutes and no struggling, drilling or tapping. Thank goodness for friends=
!<div><br></div><div>Cheers!!<br></div><div>Jim</div></div><div class=3D"gm=
ail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 7:39 AM, =
fastvee <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> [midgets=
prite] <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
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e:16px"><div>Hello Jim,</div><div>Some guys have made a trick tool for hold=
ing and spreading the E-clip for installation. I like to pull the roll pin =
and tap the hole for a #10-32 button head machine screw. <br></div><div>Joh=
n Caffrey</div><div>Fogelsville, PA<br></div><div><div class=3D"h5"><div><s=
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r=3D"none"></div>Trying to get the car back on its wheels and have run into=
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using a couple long bolts to compress the springs.=C2=A0 Looks like that wi=
ll solve that problem. =C2=A0<div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>On the rear=
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hich holds the wheel cylinder in place?=C2=A0 Tired of skinning my knuckles=
 and tearing up the paint.=C2=A0 Also tired of throwing things across the g=
arage in frustration.</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>2.) =C2=A0I&#=
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