Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Not LBC Generator flooded ideas?

From: Linda Grunthaner via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2015 06:25:46 -0500

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On Wednesday, March 4, 2015, Linda Grunthaner <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Wow Rick and Kent interesting facts. now regarding the 2 stroke Rick are
> you using the 100 octane? Also Kent I get the ether being oilless and leads
> to scoring the metal but has anyone made an ether combined with an oil for
> our 2 stroke engines? I hate starting the "New" foreign made weed wacker
> and chain saw. But like I said earlier I'll pick up the battery operated
> pull starter for the weed wacker but the chainsaw will be a problem.
>
> Lin
> "Pay if forward" in honor of Frank Clarici III, Sprtenut
>
> On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Rick Fisk via Spridgets <
> [email-masked]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[email-masked]');>> wrote:
>
>> I use 100 octane LL avgas in my small engines.  It's pricey compared to
>> auto gas, but works so much better it's worth the extra cost.  My 39 year
>> old snowblower thinks the stuff is wonderful.  :-)
>>
>> Sent from my keyboard
>>
>> On Jan 28, 2015, at 12:59 PM, CosmicMag1380 via Spridgets <
>> [email-masked]
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[email-masked]');>> wrote:
>>
>> Two points to ponder... The first is ether in a diesel. Back in the day I
>> worked for Avis Truck Division and we leased/rented trucks. We used to get
>> semis back with blown engines. The drivers would use the onboard cold
>> weather starting system (ether injection) to boost power when going up
>> long, steep hills. It is kind of like using NOX for a second too long!
>> Bang, you broke it...
>>
>> The second is using ether to start a 2 stroke motor. Bad choice because
>> it washes the oil off the cylinders and can make it possible for scoring to
>> occur. The rings dig into the cylinder wall and leave a groove (scored)
>> whereby the compression leaks out into the crankcase.
>>
>> Today's pump gas degrades much faster than ever before. If you can find
>> gas with no ethanol, use that in your small engines and you will not
>> experience so many starting/running issues.
>>
>> My 02,
>>
>> Kent
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 9:43 AM, Cebridge via Spridgets <
>> [email-masked]
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[email-masked]');>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ether ( starting fluid) should not even be in a car persons vocabulary!!
>>> Have seen soooo many motors turned into junk because of it.  Ever seen the
>>> head studs ripped out of the block of a diesel engine or a rod snapped in
>>> half !!
>>> Ill always opt for gasoline vapors off of a rag with gas on it.  Just my
>>> mileage lol
>>>
>>> Leo
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 27, 2015, at 10:57 AM, Rick Fisk via Spridgets <
>>> [email-masked]
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[email-masked]');>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Most starting fluid is ether, which is a LOT more volatile than
>>> gasoline.  That's why a balky engine will fire up on the stuff.  It does
>>> work in two-stroke engines, but in any engine only use the smallest amount
>>> you can get away with.  Be especially careful with the two-strokes as they
>>> are lubed by the fuel-oil mixture and starting fluid washes the oil away.
>>>
>>> Sent from my keyboard
>>>
>>> On Jan 27, 2015, at 9:24 AM, Linda Grunthaner <[email-masked]
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[email-masked]');>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Spridget Professors,
>>> Thanks so much again for all the help, you guys are so important to me.
>>> I remember telling Frank when we went to pick up my Bugeye only a year or
>>> two before he left us that besides being sad that my father passed away I
>>> was technically lost not knowing where to get good answers to my technical
>>> questions. But you guys on this list and Frank's genius put my mind at
>>> ease. With threads like these I feel like I just walked out of a classroom
>>> with brilliant instructors that made the class the best class ever.
>>>
>>> Snow was 12"-18" and no need for the genny but so happy I have it ready
>>> for both myself and my neighbor and her 2 small boys and any friends or
>>> family with there pets that will come over if needed. I tried to post my
>>> youtube of the genny running but forgot my youtube password. I'll try again
>>> after I shovel the snow as it will freeze tonight and some more snow later
>>> in the week.
>>>
>>> Special thanks to:
>>>
>>> Rick
>>> Kevin
>>> Trevor
>>> Guy
>>> Hal
>>> Peter
>>> John
>>> Billy
>>>
>>> Happy Spridgeting, and thank you Professors,
>>> Linda : )
>>>
>>> PS If anyone can tell me why is it that when ever I finally end up using
>>> starting fluid most engines fire right up and can I use it in a 2 stroke
>>> engine carburetor being they use oil and gas mixture. My weed wacker and my
>>> chain saw kill me arm trying to get them started after sitting a week or
>>> two.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 10:01 PM, Rick Fisk <[email-masked]
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[email-masked]');>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Woohoo!  Glad you got it going.  Hope the storm leaves you alone and
>>>> you don't need it.  :-)
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my keyboard
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 26, 2015, at 7:35 PM, Linda Grunthaner via Spridgets <
>>>> [email-masked]
>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[email-masked]');>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> She runs.....Yippi.
>>>> I got spark with both plugs and it didn't start then I sprayed Starting
>>>> fluid and didn't start, then I put the spray hose way into the carb and it
>>>> must have reached it and she fired right up.
>>>> Thank you all for your help. It's this list with great guys that got me
>>>> there as always I love you guys!
>>>> Stay safe and warm.
>>>> Linda
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 7:13 PM, HealeyRick <[email-masked]
>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[email-masked]');>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I vote with Hal.  You can't leave new gas in the tank for long before
>>>>> it goes bad.  Friend had a similar problem with a chain saw and took it in
>>>>> for repair.  The old gas was drained and replaced with fresh.  Everything
>>>>> was fine.  Small engine guy told him most of his repairs now were fixing
>>>>> bad gasoline.  I'd try draining all the old stuff, not just some of it.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 6:40 PM, Linda Grunthaner via Spridgets <
>>>>> [email-masked]
>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[email-masked]');>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I would hate to drain 6 gallons of gas it would take a long time. I
>>>>>> added 2 gallons to the 4 that I started with. My little Sprite always runs
>>>>>> with year old gas.
>>>>>> I really wish I got a genny with elect start.
>>>>>> Off I go.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 6:16 PM, Hal Faulkner via Spridgets <
>>>>>> [email-masked]
>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[email-masked]');>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lin,
>>>>>>> If there is any of the old petrol left in the tank drain it and
>>>>>>> replace with fresh!  Modern fuels will absorb water and become quite
>>>>>>> unusable.
>>>>>>> I also recommend that you switch to an alternator.....
>>>>>>> Hal
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>> 1960 Bugeye
>> 1983 Garage full of spridget parts!
>> 2010 Arrow shed full of excess spridget parts!!!
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Whoops typo.<br><br>On Wednesday, March 4, 2015, Linda Grunthaner &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px=
 #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Wow Rick and Kent interestin=
g facts. now regarding the 2 stroke Rick are you using the 100 octane? Also=
 Kent I get the ether being oilless and leads to scoring the metal but has =
anyone made an ether combined with an oil for our 2 stroke engines? I hate =
starting the &quot;New&quot; foreign made weed wacker and chain saw. But li=
ke I said earlier I&#39;ll pick up the battery operated pull starter for th=
e weed wacker but the chainsaw will be a problem.<div><br></div><div>Lin</d=
iv><div>&quot;Pay if forward&quot; in honor of Frank Clarici III, Sprtenut<=
/div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed=
, Jan 28, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Rick Fisk via Spridgets <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a=
 href=3D"javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;[email-masked]&=
#39;);" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1=
px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div>I use 100 octane LL =
avgas in my small engines.=C2=A0 It&#39;s pricey compared to auto gas, but =
works so much better it&#39;s worth the extra cost.=C2=A0 My 39 year old sn=
owblower thinks the stuff is wonderful. =C2=A0:-)<br><br>Sent from my keybo=
ard</div><div><div><div><br>On Jan 28, 2015, at 12:59 PM, CosmicMag1380 via=
 Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;spridget=
[email-masked]&#39;);" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>T=
wo points to ponder... The first is ether in a diesel.=C2=A0Back in the day=
 I worked for Avis Truck Division and we leased/rented trucks. We used to g=
et semis back with blown engines. The drivers would use the onboard=C2=A0co=
ld weather starting system=C2=A0(ether injection) to boost power when going=
 up long, steep hills. It is kind of like using NOX for a second too long! =
Bang, you broke it...</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>The second is using ether =
to start a 2 stroke motor. Bad choice because it washes the oil off the cyl=
inders and can make it possible for scoring to occur. The rings dig into th=
e cylinder wall and leave a groove (scored) whereby the compression leaks o=
ut into the crankcase.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>Today&#39;s pump gas degr=
ades much faster than ever before. If you can find gas with no ethanol, use=
 that in your small engines and you will not experience so many starting/ru=
nning issues.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>My 02,</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>=
Kent</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">O=
n Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 9:43 AM, Cebridge via Spridgets <span dir=3D"ltr">&l=
t;<a href=3D"javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;[email-masked].=
net&#39;);" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote=
:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-le=
ft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div>Ether ( starting=
 fluid) should not even be in a car persons vocabulary!! Have seen soooo ma=
ny motors turned into junk because of it.=C2=A0 Ever seen the head studs ri=
pped out of the block of a diesel engine or a rod snapped in half !!=C2=A0<=
/div><div>Ill always opt for gasoline vapors off of a rag with gas on it.=
=C2=A0 Just my mileage lol</div><div><br></div><div>Leo<br><br></div><div><=
div><div><br>On Jan 27, 2015, at 10:57 AM, Rick Fisk via Spridgets &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;[email-masked]&#3=
9;);" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></di=
v><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div>Most starting fluid is ether, which i=
s a LOT more volatile than gasoline.=C2=A0 That&#39;s why a balky engine wi=
ll fire up on the stuff.=C2=A0 It does work in two-stroke engines, but in a=
ny engine only use the smallest amount you can get away with.=C2=A0 Be espe=
cially careful with the two-strokes as they are lubed by the fuel-oil mixtu=
re and starting fluid washes the oil away.<br><br>Sent from my keyboard</di=
v><div><br>On Jan 27, 2015, at 9:24 AM, Linda Grunthaner &lt;<a href=3D"jav=
ascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;[email-masked]&#39;);" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote ty=
pe=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Spridget Professors,</div>Thanks so =
much again for all the help, you guys are so important to me. I remember te=
lling Frank when we went to pick up my Bugeye only a year or two before he =
left us that besides being sad that my father passed away I was technically=
 lost not knowing where to get good answers to my technical questions. But =
you guys on this list and Frank&#39;s genius put my mind at ease. With thre=
ads like these I feel like I just walked out of a classroom with brilliant =
instructors that made the class the best class ever.<div><br></div><div>Sno=
w was 12&quot;-18&quot; and no need for the genny but so happy I have it re=
ady for both myself and my neighbor and her 2 small boys and any friends or=
 family with there pets that will come over if needed. I tried to post my y=
outube of the genny running but forgot my youtube password. I&#39;ll try ag=
ain after I shovel the snow as it will freeze tonight and some more snow la=
ter in the week.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Special thanks to:</div><di=
v><br></div><div>Rick</div><div>Kevin</div><div>Trevor=C2=A0</div><div>Guy<=
/div><div>Hal=C2=A0</div><div>Peter=C2=A0</div><div>John=C2=A0</div><div>Bi=
lly</div><div><br></div><div>Happy Spridgeting, and thank you Professors,</=
div><div>Linda : )</div><div><br></div><div>PS If anyone can tell me why is=
 it that when ever I finally end up using starting fluid most engines fire =
right up and can I use it in a 2 stroke engine carburetor being they use oi=
l and gas mixture. My weed wacker and my chain saw kill me arm trying to ge=
t them started after sitting a week or two.</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_=
extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 10:01 PM, Ric=
k Fisk <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;=
,&#39;[email-masked]&#39;);" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</=
a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border=
-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div dir=3D"auto"><div>Woohoo!=C2=
=A0 Glad you got it going.=C2=A0 Hope the storm leaves you alone and you do=
n&#39;t need it. =C2=A0:-)<br><br>Sent from my keyboard</div><div><div><div=
><br>On Jan 26, 2015, at 7:35 PM, Linda Grunthaner via Spridgets &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;[email-masked]&#39;=
);" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div>=
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">She runs.....Yippi.<div>I g=
ot spark with both plugs and it didn&#39;t start then I sprayed Starting fl=
uid and didn&#39;t start, then I put the spray hose way into the carb and i=
t must have reached it and she fired right up.</div><div>Thank you all for =
your help. It&#39;s this list with great guys that got me there as always I=
 love you guys!</div><div>Stay safe and warm.</div><div>Linda</div></div><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 26, 201=
5 at 7:13 PM, HealeyRick <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"javascript:_e(%7B=
%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;[email-masked]&#39;);" target=3D"_blank">heale=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204=
,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div dir=3D"ltr">I=
 vote with Hal.=C2=A0 You can&#39;t leave new gas in the tank for long befo=
re it goes bad.=C2=A0 Friend had a similar problem with a chain saw and too=
k it in for repair.=C2=A0 The old gas was drained and replaced with fresh.=
=C2=A0 Everything was fine.=C2=A0 Small engine guy told him most of his rep=
airs now were fixing bad gasoline.=C2=A0 I&#39;d try draining all the old s=
tuff, not just some of it.<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmai=
l_quote"><span>On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 6:40 PM, Linda Grunthaner via Spridg=
ets <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#=
39;[email-masked]&#39;);" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked].=
net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br></span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204=
,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><span><div dir=3D"ltr"=
>I would hate to drain 6 gallons of gas it would take a long time. I added =
2 gallons to the 4 that I started with. My little Sprite always runs with y=
ear old gas.<div>I really wish I got a genny with elect start.=C2=A0</div><=
div>Off I go.</div></div></span><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><span>On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 6:16 PM, Hal Faulkner via Sp=
ridgets <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39=
;,&#39;[email-masked]&#39;);" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
eam.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br></span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204=
,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><span><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><div><div><div>Lin,<br></div>If there is any of the old petrol left in=
 the tank drain it and replace with fresh!=C2=A0 Modern fuels will absorb w=
ater and become quite unusable.=C2=A0 <br></div>I also recommend that you s=
witch to an alternator.....<br></div>Hal<br></div></span><div class=3D"gmai=
l_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
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Lin

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Rick Fisk via Spridgets <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> [email-masked]> wrote:
>
> The second is using ether to start a 2 stroke motor. Bad choice because it
> washes the oil off the cylinders and can make it possible for scoring to
> [email-masked]> wrote:
>
>> [email-masked]> wrote:
>>
>> On Jan 27, 2015, at 9:24 AM, Linda Grunthaner <[email-masked]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Spridget Professors,
>> Thanks so much again for all the help, you guys are so important to me. I
>> remember telling Frank when we went to pick up my Bugeye only a year or two
>> before he left us that besides being sad that my father passed away I was
>> technically lost not knowing where to get good answers to my technical
>> On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 10:01 PM, Rick Fisk <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>
>>> Woohoo!  Glad you got it going.  Hope the storm leaves you alone and you
>>> don't need it.  :-)
>>>
>>> Sent from my keyboard
>>>
>>> [email-masked]> wrote:
>>>
>>> She runs.....Yippi.
>>> On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 7:13 PM, HealeyRick <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> [email-masked]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> [email-masked]> wrote:
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Wow Rick and Kent interesting facts. now regarding the 2 s=
troke Rick are you using the 100 octane? Also Kent I get the ether being oi=
lless and leads to scoring the metal but has anyone made an ether combined =
with an oil for our 2 stroke engines? I hate starting the &quot;New&quot; f=
oreign made weed wacker and chain saw. But like I said earlier I&#39;ll pic=
k up the battery operated pull starter for the weed wacker but the chainsaw=
 will be a problem.<div><br></div><div>Lin</div><div>&quot;Pay if forward&q=
uot; in honor of Frank Clarici III, Sprtenut</div></div><div class=3D"gmail=
_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Ric=
k Fisk via Spridgets <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@auto=
x.team.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote=
:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-le=
ft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div>I use 100 octane=
 LL avgas in my small engines.=C2=A0 It&#39;s pricey compared to auto gas, =
but works so much better it&#39;s worth the extra cost.=C2=A0 My 39 year ol=
d snowblower thinks the stuff is wonderful. =C2=A0:-)<br><br>Sent from my k=
eyboard</div><div><div class=3D"h5"><div><br>On Jan 28, 2015, at 12:59 PM, =
CosmicMag1380 via Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
 target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><bl=
ockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Two points to ponder... T=
he first is ether in a diesel.=C2=A0Back in the day I worked for Avis Truck=
 Division and we leased/rented trucks. We used to get semis back with blown=
 engines. The drivers would use the onboard=C2=A0cold weather starting syst=
em=C2=A0(ether injection) to boost power when going up long, steep hills. I=
t is kind of like using NOX for a second too long! Bang, you broke it...</d=
iv><div>=C2=A0</div><div>The second is using ether to start a 2 stroke moto=
r. Bad choice because it washes the oil off the cylinders and can make it p=
ossible for scoring to occur. The rings dig into the cylinder wall and leav=
e a groove (scored) whereby the compression leaks out into the crankcase.</=
div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>Today&#39;s pump gas degrades much faster than ev=
er before. If you can find gas with no ethanol, use that in your small engi=
nes and you will not experience so many starting/running issues.</div><div>=
=C2=A0</div><div>My 02,</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>Kent</div></div><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 9=
:43 AM, Cebridge via Spridgets <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spri=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</s=
pan> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex=
;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div>Ether =
( starting fluid) should not even be in a car persons vocabulary!! Have see=
n soooo many motors turned into junk because of it.=C2=A0 Ever seen the hea=
d studs ripped out of the block of a diesel engine or a rod snapped in half=
 !!=C2=A0</div><div>Ill always opt for gasoline vapors off of a rag with ga=
s on it.=C2=A0 Just my mileage lol</div><div><br></div><div>Leo<br><br></di=
v><div><div><div><br>On Jan 27, 2015, at 10:57 AM, Rick Fisk via Spridgets =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">spridgets=
@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>=
<div>Most starting fluid is ether, which is a LOT more volatile than gasoli=
ne.=C2=A0 That&#39;s why a balky engine will fire up on the stuff.=C2=A0 It=
 does work in two-stroke engines, but in any engine only use the smallest a=
mount you can get away with.=C2=A0 Be especially careful with the two-strok=
es as they are lubed by the fuel-oil mixture and starting fluid washes the =
oil away.<br><br>Sent from my keyboard</div><div><br>On Jan 27, 2015, at 9:=
24 AM, Linda Grunthaner &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote ty=
pe=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Spridget Professors,</div>Thanks so =
much again for all the help, you guys are so important to me. I remember te=
lling Frank when we went to pick up my Bugeye only a year or two before he =
left us that besides being sad that my father passed away I was technically=
 lost not knowing where to get good answers to my technical questions. But =
you guys on this list and Frank&#39;s genius put my mind at ease. With thre=
ads like these I feel like I just walked out of a classroom with brilliant =
instructors that made the class the best class ever.<div><br></div><div>Sno=
w was 12&quot;-18&quot; and no need for the genny but so happy I have it re=
ady for both myself and my neighbor and her 2 small boys and any friends or=
 family with there pets that will come over if needed. I tried to post my y=
outube of the genny running but forgot my youtube password. I&#39;ll try ag=
ain after I shovel the snow as it will freeze tonight and some more snow la=
ter in the week.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Special thanks to:</div><di=
v><br></div><div>Rick</div><div>Kevin</div><div>Trevor=C2=A0</div><div>Guy<=
/div><div>Hal=C2=A0</div><div>Peter=C2=A0</div><div>John=C2=A0</div><div>Bi=
lly</div><div><br></div><div>Happy Spridgeting, and thank you Professors,</=
div><div>Linda : )</div><div><br></div><div>PS If anyone can tell me why is=
 it that when ever I finally end up using starting fluid most engines fire =
right up and can I use it in a 2 stroke engine carburetor being they use oi=
l and gas mixture. My weed wacker and my chain saw kill me arm trying to ge=
t them started after sitting a week or two.</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_=
extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 10:01 PM, Ric=
k Fisk <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-=
left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">=
<div dir=3D"auto"><div>Woohoo!=C2=A0 Glad you got it going.=C2=A0 Hope the =
storm leaves you alone and you don&#39;t need it. =C2=A0:-)<br><br>Sent fro=
m my keyboard</div><div><div><div><br>On Jan 26, 2015, at 7:35 PM, Linda Gr=
unthaner via Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targ=
et=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockqu=
ote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">She runs.....Yippi.<div>I got spark=
 with both plugs and it didn&#39;t start then I sprayed Starting fluid and =
didn&#39;t start, then I put the spray hose way into the carb and it must h=
ave reached it and she fired right up.</div><div>Thank you all for your hel=
p. It&#39;s this list with great guys that got me there as always I love yo=
u guys!</div><div>Stay safe and warm.</div><div>Linda</div></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 7:1=
3 PM, HealeyRick <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
m" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex=
;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style=
:solid"><div dir=3D"ltr">I vote with Hal.=C2=A0 You can&#39;t leave new gas=
 in the tank for long before it goes bad.=C2=A0 Friend had a similar proble=
m with a chain saw and took it in for repair.=C2=A0 The old gas was drained=
 and replaced with fresh.=C2=A0 Everything was fine.=C2=A0 Small engine guy=
 told him most of his repairs now were fixing bad gasoline.=C2=A0 I&#39;d t=
ry draining all the old stuff, not just some of it.<div class=3D"gmail_extr=
a"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><span>On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 6:40 PM, Li=
nda Grunthaner via Spridgets <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spridg=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</spa=
n> wrote:<br></span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-lef=
t-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><span><div dir=3D"ltr">I would hate to=
 drain 6 gallons of gas it would take a long time. I added 2 gallons to the=
 4 that I started with. My little Sprite always runs with year old gas.<div=
>I really wish I got a genny with elect start.=C2=A0</div><div>Off I go.</d=
iv></div></span><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><=
span>On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 6:16 PM, Hal Faulkner via Spridgets <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br></span><blockquote class=
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left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">=
<span><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div>Lin,<br></div>If there is any of the =
old petrol left in the tank drain it and replace with fresh!=C2=A0 Modern f=
uels will absorb water and become quite unusable.=C2=A0 <br></div>I also re=
commend that you switch to an alternator.....<br></div>Hal<br></div></span>=
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"=
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From: Rick Fisk via Spridgets <[email-masked]>
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Linda,=20

The 100 octane LL works fine in 2 stroke engines.  The reason I have it arou=
nd in the first place is because I use it in the Rotax 2 stroke engine on my=
 ultralight.  Also, works great in the weed wacker, chain saw, string trimme=
r, etc.

Rick

Sent from my keyboard

> On Mar 4, 2015, at 5:59 AM, Linda Grunthaner <[email-masked]> wrote:=

>=20
> Wow Rick and Kent interesting facts. now regarding the 2 stroke Rick are y=
ou using the 100 octane? Also Kent I get the ether being oilless and leads t=
o scoring the metal but has anyone made an ether combined with an oil for ou=
r 2 stroke engines? I hate starting the "New" foreign made weed wacker and c=
hain saw. But like I said earlier I'll pick up the battery operated pull sta=
rter for the weed wacker but the chainsaw will be a problem.
>=20
>=20
>> On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Rick Fisk via Spridgets <spridgets@autox=
.team.net> wrote:
>> I use 100 octane LL avgas in my small engines.  It's pricey compared to a=
uto gas, but works so much better it's worth the extra cost.  My 39 year old=
 snowblower thinks the stuff is wonderful.  :-)
>>=20
>> Sent from my keyboard
>>=20
>>> On Jan 28, 2015, at 12:59 PM, CosmicMag1380 via Spridgets <spridgets@aut=
ox.team.net> wrote:
>>>=20
>>> Two points to ponder... The first is ether in a diesel. Back in the day I=
 worked for Avis Truck Division and we leased/rented trucks. We used to get s=
emis back with blown engines. The drivers would use the onboard cold weather=
 starting system (ether injection) to boost power when going up long, steep h=
ills. It is kind of like using NOX for a second too long! Bang, you broke it=
...
>>> =20
>>> The second is using ether to start a 2 stroke motor. Bad choice because i=
t washes the oil off the cylinders and can make it possible for scoring to o=
ccur. The rings dig into the cylinder wall and leave a groove (scored) where=
by the compression leaks out into the crankcase.
>>> =20
>>> Today's pump gas degrades much faster than ever before. If you can find g=
as with no ethanol, use that in your small engines and you will not experien=
ce so many starting/running issues.
>>> =20
>>> My 02,
>>> =20
>>> Kent
>>>=20
>>>> On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 9:43 AM, Cebridge via Spridgets <spridgets@auto=
x.team.net> wrote:
>>>> Ether ( starting fluid) should not even be in a car persons vocabulary!=
! Have seen soooo many motors turned into junk because of it.  Ever seen the=
 head studs ripped out of the block of a diesel engine or a rod snapped in h=
alf !!=20
>>>> Ill always opt for gasoline vapors off of a rag with gas on it.  Just m=
y mileage lol
>>>>=20
>>>> Leo
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>> On Jan 27, 2015, at 10:57 AM, Rick Fisk via Spridgets <spridgets@autox=
.team.net> wrote:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Most starting fluid is ether, which is a LOT more volatile than gasoli=
ne.  That's why a balky engine will fire up on the stuff.  It does work in t=
wo-stroke engines, but in any engine only use the smallest amount you can ge=
t away with.  Be especially careful with the two-strokes as they are lubed b=
y the fuel-oil mixture and starting fluid washes the oil away.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Sent from my keyboard
>>>>>=20
>>>>>> On Jan 27, 2015, at 9:24 AM, Linda Grunthaner <[email-masked]> w=
rote:
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Spridget Professors,
>>>>>> Thanks so much again for all the help, you guys are so important to m=
e. I remember telling Frank when we went to pick up my Bugeye only a year or=
 two before he left us that besides being sad that my father passed away I w=
as technically lost not knowing where to get good answers to my technical qu=
estions. But you guys on this list and Frank's genius put my mind at ease. W=
ith threads like these I feel like I just walked out of a classroom with bri=
lliant instructors that made the class the best class ever.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Snow was 12"-18" and no need for the genny but so happy I have it rea=
dy for both myself and my neighbor and her 2 small boys and any friends or f=
amily with there pets that will come over if needed. I tried to post my yout=
ube of the genny running but forgot my youtube password. I'll try again afte=
r I shovel the snow as it will freeze tonight and some more snow later in th=
e week.=20
>>>>>>=20
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>>>>>> Trevor=20
>>>>>> Hal=20
>>>>>> Peter=20
>>>>>> John=20
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>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> PS If anyone can tell me why is it that when ever I finally end up us=
ing starting fluid most engines fire right up and can I use it in a 2 stroke=
 engine carburetor being they use oil and gas mixture. My weed wacker and my=
 chain saw kill me arm trying to get them started after sitting a week or tw=
o.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 10:01 PM, Rick Fisk <[email-masked]> w=
rote:
>>>>>>> Woohoo!  Glad you got it going.  Hope the storm leaves you alone and=
 you don't need it.  :-)
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Sent from my keyboard
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> On Jan 26, 2015, at 7:35 PM, Linda Grunthaner via Spridgets <spridg=
[email-masked]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> She runs.....Yippi.
>>>>>>>> I got spark with both plugs and it didn't start then I sprayed Star=
ting fluid and didn't start, then I put the spray hose way into the carb and=
 it must have reached it and she fired right up.
>>>>>>>> Thank you all for your help. It's this list with great guys that go=
t me there as always I love you guys!
>>>>>>>> Stay safe and warm.
>>>>>>>> Linda
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 7:13 PM, HealeyRick <[email-masked]> w=
rote:
>>>>>>>>> I vote with Hal.  You can't leave new gas in the tank for long bef=
ore it goes bad.  Friend had a similar problem with a chain saw and took it i=
n for repair.  The old gas was drained and replaced with fresh.  Everything w=
as fine.  Small engine guy told him most of his repairs now were fixing bad g=
asoline.  I'd try draining all the old stuff, not just some of it.
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 6:40 PM, Linda Grunthaner via Spridgets <=
[email-masked]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I would hate to drain 6 gallons of gas it would take a long time.=
 I added 2 gallons to the 4 that I started with. My little Sprite always run=
s with year old gas.
>>>>>>>>>> I really wish I got a genny with elect start.=20
>>>>>>>>>> Off I go.
>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 6:16 PM, Hal Faulkner via Spridgets <spr=
[email-masked]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Lin,
>>>>>>>>>>> If there is any of the old petrol left in the tank drain it and r=
eplace with fresh!  Modern fuels will absorb water and become quite unusable=
. =20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>Linda,&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>=
The 100 octane LL works fine in 2 stroke engines. &nbsp;The reason I have it=
 around in the first place is because I use it in the Rotax 2 stroke engine o=
n my ultralight. &nbsp;Also, works great in the weed wacker, chain saw, stri=
ng trimmer, etc.</div><div><br></div><div>Rick<br><br>Sent from my keyboard<=
/div><div><br>On Mar 4, 2015, at 5:59 AM, Linda Grunthaner &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div>=
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Wow Rick and Kent interestin=
g facts. now regarding the 2 stroke Rick are you using the 100 octane? Also K=
ent I get the ether being oilless and leads to scoring the metal but has any=
one made an ether combined with an oil for our 2 stroke engines? I hate star=
ting the "New" foreign made weed wacker and chain saw. But like I said earli=
er I'll pick up the battery operated pull starter for the weed wacker but th=
e chainsaw will be a problem.<div><br></div><div>Lin</div><div>"Pay if forwa=
rd" in honor of Frank Clarici III, Sprtenut</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_e=
xtra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Rick Fi=
sk via Spridgets <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
m.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #=
ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div>I use 100 octane LL avgas=
 in my small engines.&nbsp; It's pricey compared to auto gas, but works so m=
uch better it's worth the extra cost.&nbsp; My 39 year old snowblower thinks=
 the stuff is wonderful. &nbsp;:-)<br><br>Sent from my keyboard</div><div><d=
iv class=3D"h5"><div><br>On Jan 28, 2015, at 12:59 PM, CosmicMag1380 via Spr=
idgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">spr=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite">=
<div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Two points to ponder... The first is ether in a d=
iesel.&nbsp;Back in the day I worked for Avis Truck Division and we leased/r=
ented trucks. We used to get semis back with blown engines. The drivers woul=
d use the onboard&nbsp;cold weather starting system&nbsp;(ether injection) t=
o boost power when going up long, steep hills. It is kind of like using NOX f=
or a second too long! Bang, you broke it...</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>The s=
econd is using ether to start a 2 stroke motor. Bad choice because it washes=
 the oil off the cylinders and can make it possible for scoring to occur. Th=
e rings dig into the cylinder wall and leave a groove (scored) whereby the c=
ompression leaks out into the crankcase.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Today's p=
ump gas degrades much faster than ever before. If you can find gas with no e=
thanol, use that in your small engines and you will not experience so many s=
tarting/running issues.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>My 02,</div><div>&nbsp;</=
div><div>Kent</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_=
quote">On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 9:43 AM, Cebridge via Spridgets <span dir=3D"=
ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">sprid=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><=
div dir=3D"auto"><div>Ether ( starting fluid) should not even be in a car pe=
rsons vocabulary!! Have seen soooo many motors turned into junk because of i=
t.&nbsp; Ever seen the head studs ripped out of the block of a diesel engine=
 or a rod snapped in half !!&nbsp;</div><div>Ill always opt for gasoline vap=
ors off of a rag with gas on it.&nbsp; Just my mileage lol</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>Leo<br><br></div><div><div><div><br>On Jan 27, 2015, at 10:57 AM, Ri=
ck Fisk via Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote=
 type=3D"cite"><div><div>Most starting fluid is ether, which is a LOT more v=
olatile than gasoline.&nbsp; That's why a balky engine will fire up on the s=
tuff.&nbsp; It does work in two-stroke engines, but in any engine only use t=
he smallest amount you can get away with.&nbsp; Be especially careful with t=
he two-strokes as they are lubed by the fuel-oil mixture and starting fluid w=
ashes the oil away.<br><br>Sent from my keyboard</div><div><br>On Jan 27, 20=
15, at 9:24 AM, Linda Grunthaner &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
 target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockqu=
ote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Spridget Professors,</div>Thank=
s so much again for all the help, you guys are so important to me. I remembe=
r telling Frank when we went to pick up my Bugeye only a year or two before h=
e left us that besides being sad that my father passed away I was technicall=
y lost not knowing where to get good answers to my technical questions. But y=
ou guys on this list and Frank's genius put my mind at ease. With threads li=
ke these I feel like I just walked out of a classroom with brilliant instruc=
tors that made the class the best class ever.<div><br></div><div>Snow was 12=
"-18" and no need for the genny but so happy I have it ready for both myself=
 and my neighbor and her 2 small boys and any friends or family with there p=
ets that will come over if needed. I tried to post my youtube of the genny r=
unning but forgot my youtube password. I'll try again after I shovel the sno=
w as it will freeze tonight and some more snow later in the week.&nbsp;</div=
><div><br></div><div>Special thanks to:</div><div><br></div><div>Rick</div><=
div>Kevin</div><div>Trevor&nbsp;</div><div>Guy</div><div>Hal&nbsp;</div><div=
>Peter&nbsp;</div><div>John&nbsp;</div><div>Billy</div><div><br></div><div>H=
appy Spridgeting, and thank you Professors,</div><div>Linda : )</div><div><b=
r></div><div>PS If anyone can tell me why is it that when ever I finally end=
 up using starting fluid most engines fire right up and can I use it in a 2 s=
troke engine carburetor being they use oil and gas mixture. My weed wacker a=
nd my chain saw kill me arm trying to get them started after sitting a week o=
r two.</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 10:01 PM, Rick Fisk <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0=
px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-wid=
th:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div dir=3D"auto"><div>Woohoo!&nbsp; Glad yo=
u got it going.&nbsp; Hope the storm leaves you alone and you don't need it.=
 &nbsp;:-)<br><br>Sent from my keyboard</div><div><div><div><br>On Jan 26, 2=
015, at 7:35 PM, Linda Grunthaner via Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spridg=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote=
:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">She runs.....=
Yippi.<div>I got spark with both plugs and it didn't start then I sprayed St=
arting fluid and didn't start, then I put the spray hose way into the carb a=
nd it must have reached it and she fired right up.</div><div>Thank you all f=
or your help. It's this list with great guys that got me there as always I l=
ove you guys!</div><div>Stay safe and warm.</div><div>Linda</div></div><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 7=
:13 PM, HealeyRick <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
om" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;=
border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:s=
olid"><div dir=3D"ltr">I vote with Hal.&nbsp; You can't leave new gas in the=
 tank for long before it goes bad.&nbsp; Friend had a similar problem with a=
 chain saw and took it in for repair.&nbsp; The old gas was drained and repl=
aced with fresh.&nbsp; Everything was fine.&nbsp; Small engine guy told him m=
ost of his repairs now were fixing bad gasoline.&nbsp; I'd try draining all t=
he old stuff, not just some of it.<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote"><span>On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 6:40 PM, Linda Grunthaner via Sp=
ridgets <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br></span><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-lef=
t:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-s=
tyle:solid"><span><div dir=3D"ltr">I would hate to drain 6 gallons of gas it=
 would take a long time. I added 2 gallons to the 4 that I started with. My l=
ittle Sprite always runs with year old gas.<div>I really wish I got a genny w=
ith elect start.&nbsp;</div><div>Off I go.</div></div></span><div class=3D"g=
mail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><span>On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 6:1=
6 PM, Hal Faulkner via Spridgets <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spr=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</s=
pan> wrote:<br></span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left=
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n,<br></div>If there is any of the old petrol left in the tank drain it and r=
eplace with fresh!&nbsp; Modern fuels will absorb water and become quite unu=
sable.&nbsp; <br></div>I also recommend that you switch to an alternator....=
.<br></div>Hal<br></div></span><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmai=
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