Subject: Re: [Mgs] rivets or ?

From: Max Heim <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2024 10:02:07 -0800

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I=E2=80=99m pretty sure they used small roundhead Phillips screws. =
That=E2=80=99s what is used on early MGBs.

They didn=E2=80=99t rivet the VIN tag until it became a Federal =
requirement in January 1969.

This image shows the type of screw used in 66-67, at least (although I =
believe this VIN tag is actually a fake, but that=E2=80=99s neither here =
nor there).

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> I=E2=80=99m about to install the serial number/vin/etc plates on my 58 =
MGA.  What=E2=80=99s the best way to do that?
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pretty sure they used small roundhead Phillips screws. That=E2=80=99s =
what is used on early MGBs.<div><br></div><div>They didn=E2=80=99t rivet =
the VIN tag until it became a Federal requirement in January =
1969.</div><div><br></div><div>This image shows the type of screw used =
in 66-67, at least (although I believe this VIN tag is actually a fake, =
but that=E2=80=99s neither here nor =
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--<br>Max Heim<br>'66 MGB

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From: Max Heim <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2024 11:14:27 -0800

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Yeah, you can see the VIN plate Barney shows is identical to the early =
MGB plate, with the same type of screw. Note that the screw heads are =
not painted body color, since they are affixed after the body is =
painted. They seem to have been black, although the originals are =
generally rusty.

There are rivets on the engine number plate, but that=E2=80=99s a =
different issue =E2=80=94 those rivets can't be used in sheet metal.

There may be pop rivets on the body number tag, but there is no point in =
removing these tags, since they are painted with the body.

--
Max Heim
'66 MGB

> On Nov 11, 2024, at 11:02=E2=80=AFAM, [email-masked] wrote:
>=20
> When in doubt trust Barney.
> https://mgaguru.com/mgtech/buying/buy101d.htm
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> From: Mgs <[email-masked]> on behalf of Max Heim =
<[email-masked]>
> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2024 12:02 PM
> To: dave northrup <[email-masked]>
> Cc: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] rivets or ?
> =20
> '66 MGB=20
wrote:
>>=20
>> I=E2=80=99m about to install the serial number/vin/etc plates on my =
58 MGA.  What=E2=80=99s the best way to do that?

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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">Yeah, you can =
see the VIN plate Barney shows is identical to the early MGB plate, with =
the same type of screw. Note that the screw heads are not painted body =
color, since they are affixed after the body is painted. They seem to =
have been black, although the originals are generally =
rusty.<div><br></div><div>There are rivets on the engine number plate, =
but that=E2=80=99s a different issue =E2=80=94 those rivets can't be =
used in sheet metal.</div><div><br></div><div>There may be pop rivets on =
the body number tag, but there is no point in removing these tags, since =
they are painted with the body.</div><div><br =
id=3D"lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div>
--<br>Max Heim<br>'66 MGB

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11pt;"><b>From:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Mgs =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; on behalf of Max Heim =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Monday, November 11, 2024 =
12:02 PM<br><b>To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>dave northrup =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>[email-masked] =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Mgs] rivets or =
?</font><div>&nbsp;</div></div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; line-break: after-white-space;">I=E2=80=99m =
pretty sure they used small roundhead Phillips screws. That=E2=80=99s =
what is used on early MGBs.<div><br></div><div>They didn=E2=80=99t rivet =
the VIN tag until it became a Federal requirement in January =
1969.</div><div><br></div><div>This image shows the type of screw used =
in 66-67, at least (although I believe this VIN tag is actually a fake, =
but that=E2=80=99s neither here nor =
there).</div><div><br></div><div><span =
id=3D"cid:D919A4D3-783F-43E3-9F7C-D9D8FD828EE5">&lt;IMG_0126.jpg&gt;</span=
><br id=3D"x_lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div>--<br>Max Heim<br>'66 =
MGB<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></div><div><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div>On Nov 11, 2024, at 9:28=E2=80=AFAM, dave northrup =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:</div><br =
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normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style=3D"margin: =
0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span>I=E2=80=99m=
 about to install the serial number/vin/etc plates on my 58 MGA.&nbsp; =
What=E2=80=99s the best way to do that?</span></div></div><span =
style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: =
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From: Paul Hunt <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2024 21:59:11 +0000

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Clausager: Screwed until 1970 then riveted.

On Mon, 11 Nov 2024, 20:49 Max Heim, <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Yeah, you can see the VIN plate Barney shows is identical to the early MG=
B
> plate, with the same type of screw. Note that the screw heads are not
> painted body color, since they are affixed after the body is painted. The=
y
> seem to have been black, although the originals are generally rusty.
>
> There are rivets on the engine number plate, but that=E2=80=99s a differe=
nt issue
> =E2=80=94 those rivets can't be used in sheet metal.
>
> There may be pop rivets on the body number tag, but there is no point in
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Mgs <[email-masked]> on behalf of Max Heim <
> [email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Monday, November 11, 2024 12:02 PM
> *To:* dave northrup <[email-masked]>
> *Cc:* [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* Re: [Mgs] rivets or ?
>
> I=E2=80=99m pretty sure they used small roundhead Phillips screws. That=
=E2=80=99s what is
> used on early MGBs.
>
> They didn=E2=80=99t rivet the VIN tag until it became a Federal requireme=
nt in
> January 1969.
>
> This image shows the type of screw used in 66-67, at least (although I
nor there).
>
> --
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB
>
> On Nov 11, 2024, at 9:28=E2=80=AFAM, dave northrup <[email-masked]> wro=
te:
>
> I=E2=80=99m about to install the serial number/vin/etc plates on my 58 MG=
A.
> What=E2=80=99s the best way to do that?
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/[email-masked]
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<p dir=3D"ltr">Clausager: Screwed until 1970 then riveted.</p>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon=
, 11 Nov 2024, 20:49 Max Heim, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mvhe=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div st=
yle=3D"line-break:after-white-space">Yeah, you can see the VIN plate Barney=
 shows is identical to the early MGB plate, with the same type of screw. No=
te that the screw heads are not painted body color, since they are affixed =
after the body is painted. They seem to have been black, although the origi=
nals are generally rusty.<div><br></div><div>There are rivets on the engine=
 number plate, but that=E2=80=99s a different issue =E2=80=94 those rivets =
can&#39;t be used in sheet metal.</div><div><br></div><div>There may be pop=
 rivets on the body number tag, but there is no point in removing these tag=
s, since they are painted with the body.</div><div><br id=3D"m_710908456482=
2706827lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div>
--<br>Max Heim<br>&#39;66 MGB

</div>

<div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Nov 11, 2024, at 11:02=E2=80=AFA=
M, <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">l=
[email-masked]</a> wrote:</div><br><div><div style=3D"font-style:normal;font=
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e;text-align:left;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);margin:0px;font-family:=
Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">When in doubt trust Barney.</d=
iv><div style=3D"font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400=
;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:norm=
al;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;text-align:left;background-color:r=
gb(255,255,255);margin:0px;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-si=
ze:12pt"><a href=3D"https://mgaguru.com/mgtech/buying/buy101d.htm" id=3D"m_=
7109084564822706827OWA0eb43785-c41d-dc35-dbb0-6889d47c00c1" title=3D"https:=
//mgaguru.com/mgtech/buying/buy101d.htm" style=3D"margin:0px" target=3D"_bl=
ank" rel=3D"noreferrer">https://mgaguru.com/mgtech/buying/buy101d.htm</a></=
div><div style=3D"font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:40=
0;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:non=
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bri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><br></div><div id=3D"m_71090845648=
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t-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;lett=
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idth:667.375px"><span style=3D"font-family:Verdana;font-size:13px;font-styl=
e:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;tex=
t-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-s=
pacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important"></span=
><div id=3D"m_7109084564822706827divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-f=
amily:Verdana;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;fon=
t-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-tr=
ansform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><fon=
t face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b><span>=
=C2=A0</span>Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; on behalf=
 of Max Heim &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Sent:</b><span>=C2=A0</span>=
Monday, November 11, 2024 12:02 PM<br><b>To:</b><span>=C2=A0</span>dave nor=
thrup &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nore=
ferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b><span>=C2=A0</span><a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">mgs@autox.=
team.net</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" re=
l=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b><span>=C2=A0<=
/span>Re: [Mgs] rivets or ?</font><div>=C2=A0</div></div><div style=3D"font=
-family:Verdana;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;f=
ont-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-=
transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;lin=
e-break:after-white-space">I=E2=80=99m pretty sure they used small roundhea=
d Phillips screws. That=E2=80=99s what is used on early MGBs.<div><br></div=
><div>They didn=E2=80=99t rivet the VIN tag until it became a Federal requi=
rement in January 1969.</div><div><br></div><div>This image shows the type =
of screw used in 66-67, at least (although I believe this VIN tag is actual=
ly a fake, but that=E2=80=99s neither here nor there).</div><div><br></div>=
<div><span id=3D"m_7109084564822706827cid:D919A4D3-783F-43E3-9F7C-D9D8FD828=
EE5">&lt;IMG_0126.jpg&gt;</span><br id=3D"m_7109084564822706827x_lineBreakA=
tBeginningOfMessage"><div>--<br>Max Heim<br>&#39;66 MGB<span>=C2=A0</span><=
/div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Nov 11, 2024, at 9:28=E2=80=
=AFAM, dave northrup &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bla=
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serif"><span>I=E2=80=99m about to install the serial number/vin/etc plates =
on my 58 MGA.=C2=A0 What=E2=80=99s the best way to do that?</span></div></d=
iv><span style=3D"font-family:Verdana;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font=
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