Subject: Re: [Mgs] HS4 Carbs

From: Max Heim <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 20 May 2024 15:03:28 -0700

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Larry=E2=80=99s response made me go look, and yes, it=E2=80=99s exactly how I=
 described it.=20

The end of the choke cable is attached to a fixed object (the extension of t=
he front carb air cleaner mounting bracket), nd the end of the cable housing=
 is socketed into the moveable lever arm that operates the choke.=20

So you might think you are pulling on the cable when you pull the choke knob=
, but what you are really doing is shortening the length of cable that is co=
ntained within the sheath, forcing the far end of the sheath to move relativ=
e to the fixed end of the cable.=20

Photo attached.=20

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 20, 2024, at 1:24=E2=80=AFPM, [email-masked] wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> I've run a variety of HS carbs over the years and have never seen one wher=
e the sheath moves.
> Or any other carb with a choke cable for that matter.
>=20
>=20
>> On May 20, 2024 12:27:08 PM PDT, dave northrup <[email-masked]> wrote:
>> I have HS4 carbs, newly rebuilt, which I am putting on an early 5 main MG=
B engine in an MGA.  I=E2=80=99m all set, except the choke mechanism.
>> =20
>> A stock MGA cable has the sheath firmly attached to the knob assembly at t=
he dashboard.  It expects the choke to be pulled on by the cable.
>> =20
>> The HS4 carbs expect the sheath to move, the cable itself being held stat=
ionary at the carbs, while the knob is pulled out.  I=E2=80=99m trying to un=
derstand the mechanism.  Is it as simple as a sheath that is not attached at=
 ether end and therefore floats, and changes position moving the choke as th=
e cable is shortened by pulling the knob?
>> =20
>> The simplest answer would be to just get an MGB choke cable, which I migh=
t do.  But first I want to understand the movement of the sheath, the cable,=
 the knob, and the choke assembly.
>> =20
>> Can anyone help me out here?
>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Larry=E2=80=99s response made me go look, a=
nd yes, it=E2=80=99s exactly how I described it.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>Th=
e end of the choke cable is attached to a fixed object (the extension of the=
 front carb air cleaner mounting bracket), nd the end of the cable housing i=
s socketed into the moveable lever arm that operates the choke.&nbsp;</div><=
div><br></div><div>So you might think you are pulling on the cable when you p=
ull the choke knob, but what you are really doing is shortening the length o=
f cable that is contained within the sheath, forcing the far end of the shea=
th to move relative to the fixed end of the cable.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div=
><div>Photo attached.&nbsp;</div><div><img alt=3D"image0.jpeg" src=3D"cid:9A=
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ockquote type=3D"cite">On May 20, 2024, at 1:24=E2=80=AFPM, [email-masked] w=
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<div dir=3D"auto">I've run a variety of HS carbs over the years and have nev=
er seen one where the sheath moves. <br>Or any other carb with a choke cable=
 for that matter.</div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"auto">=
On May 20, 2024 12:27:08 PM PDT, dave northrup &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrot=
e:</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex=
; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">

<div class=3D"WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">I have HS4 carbs, newly r=
ebuilt, which I am putting on an early 5 main MGB engine in an MGA.&nbsp; I=E2=
=80=99m all set, except the choke mechanism.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">A stock MGA cable has the=
 sheath firmly attached to the knob assembly at the dashboard.&nbsp; It expe=
cts the choke to be pulled on by the cable.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">The HS4 carbs expect the s=
heath to move, the cable itself being held stationary at the carbs, while th=
e knob is pulled out.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99m trying to understand the mechanism.&=
nbsp; Is it as simple as a sheath that is not attached
 at ether end and therefore floats, and changes position moving the choke as=
 the cable is shortened by pulling the knob?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">The simplest answer would=
 be to just get an MGB choke cable, which I might do.&nbsp; But first I want=
 to understand the movement of the sheath, the cable, the knob, and the chok=
e assembly.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Can anyone help me out he=
re?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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From: Max Heim <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 20 May 2024 15:34:04 -0700

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Should have added that this is a 1966 B roadster. YMMV=E2=80=A6.

--
Max Heim
'66 MGB

> On May 20, 2024, at 3:03=E2=80=AFPM, Max Heim <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
>=20
> Larry=E2=80=99s response made me go look, and yes, it=E2=80=99s =
exactly how I described it.=20
>=20
> The end of the choke cable is attached to a fixed object (the =
extension of the front carb air cleaner mounting bracket), nd the end of =
the cable housing is socketed into the moveable lever arm that operates =
the choke.=20
>=20
> So you might think you are pulling on the cable when you pull the =
choke knob, but what you are really doing is shortening the length of =
cable that is contained within the sheath, forcing the far end of the =
sheath to move relative to the fixed end of the cable.=20
>> I've run a variety of HS carbs over the years and have never seen one =
where the sheath moves.=20
>> On May 20, 2024 12:27:08 PM PDT, dave northrup <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
>>> I have HS4 carbs, newly rebuilt, which I am putting on an early 5 =
main MGB engine in an MGA.  I=E2=80=99m all set, except the choke =
mechanism.
>>> =20
>>> A stock MGA cable has the sheath firmly attached to the knob =
assembly at the dashboard.  It expects the choke to be pulled on by the =
cable.
>>> =20
>>> The HS4 carbs expect the sheath to move, the cable itself being held =
stationary at the carbs, while the knob is pulled out.  I=E2=80=99m =
trying to understand the mechanism.  Is it as simple as a sheath that is =
not attached at ether end and therefore floats, and changes position =
moving the choke as the cable is shortened by pulling the knob?
>>> =20
>>> The simplest answer would be to just get an MGB choke cable, which I =
might do.  But first I want to understand the movement of the sheath, =
the cable, the knob, and the choke assembly.
>> --=20
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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">Should have =
added that this is a 1966 B roadster. YMMV=E2=80=A6.<div><br =
id=3D"lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div>
--<br>Max Heim<br>'66 MGB

</div>

<div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On May 20, 2024, at 3:03=E2=80=AFP=
M, Max Heim &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div><meta charset=3D"UTF-8"><span =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: =
13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; =
display: inline !important;">Larry=E2=80=99s response made me go look, =
and yes, it=E2=80=99s exactly how I described it.&nbsp;</span><div =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: =
13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br></div><div =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: =
13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">The end of the =
choke cable is attached to a fixed object (the extension of the front =
carb air cleaner mounting bracket), nd the end of the cable housing is =
socketed into the moveable lever arm that operates the =
choke.&nbsp;</div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;"><br></div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;">So you might think you are pulling on the cable when you pull the =
choke knob, but what you are really doing is shortening the length of =
cable that is contained within the sheath, forcing the far end of the =
sheath to move relative to the fixed end of the cable.&nbsp;</div><div =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: =
13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br></div><div =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: =
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letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">Photo =
attached.&nbsp;</div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; =
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normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
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from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On =
May 20, 2024, at 1:24=E2=80=AFPM, [email-masked] =
wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div =
dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"auto">I've run a variety of HS carbs =
over the years and have never seen one where the sheath moves.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br>Or any other carb with =
a choke cable for that matter.</div><br><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"auto">On May 20, 2024 12:27:08 PM PDT, =
dave northrup &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:</div><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; =
border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: =
rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=3D"WordSection1" =
style=3D"page: WordSection1;"><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"">I have HS4 =
carbs, newly rebuilt, which I am putting on an early 5 main MGB engine =
in an MGA.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99m all set, except the choke =
mechanism.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span =
style=3D""><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"">A =
stock MGA cable has the sheath firmly attached to the knob assembly at =
the dashboard.&nbsp; It expects the choke to be pulled on by the =
cable.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span =
style=3D""><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"">The =
HS4 carbs expect the sheath to move, the cable itself being held =
stationary at the carbs, while the knob is pulled out.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99m =
trying to understand the mechanism.&nbsp; Is it as simple as a sheath =
that is not attached at ether end and therefore floats, and changes =
position moving the choke as the cable is shortened by pulling the =
knob?<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span =
style=3D""><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"">The =
simplest answer would be to just get an MGB choke cable, which I might =
do.&nbsp; But first I want to understand the movement of the sheath, the =
cable, the knob, and the choke assembly.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><span style=3D""><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><span style=3D"">Can anyone help me out =
here?<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></blockquote></div><div =
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