Subject: Re: [Mgs] FYI

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I'm amazed Leno as a car buff didn't already know that.

Many 'authorities' advise that a tyre should be examined closely at 5 
years and replaced when it reaches 10 years old irrespective of wear.  
This tyre was 12 years old but had only done 18k. Certainly not mileage 
expired and if just 2 years over the 'recommended' change point is 
enough to cause this then I suggest it was either faulty or they are 
just not made to the standards they used to be.  Falken Sincera.

http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/tyre2.htm

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    <p>I'm amazed Leno as a car buff didn't already know that.<br>
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    <p>Many 'authorities' advise that a tyre should be examined closely
      at 5 years and replaced when it reaches 10 years old irrespective
      of wear.  This tyre was 12 years old but had only done 18k. 
      Certainly not mileage expired and if just 2 years over the
      'recommended' change point is enough to cause this then I suggest
      it was either faulty or they are just not made to the standards
      they used to be.  Falken Sincera.<br>
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    <p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/tyre2.htm">http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/tyre2.htm</a><br>
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From: Max Heim <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2023 09:23:35 -0700

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It just occurred to me that I bought my current tires for my previous =
car, which left the premises in 2018, and was in a state of disassembly =
for 3 or 4 years before that. So they might date back to 2014 or even =
2012. Still at least 70% tread left and the sidewalls look fine with no =
cracking. They have always been parked out of the sun under a carport =
with a car cover. I am not too concerned about sudden failure since they =
contain inner tubes.

I did once have an abrupt deflation incident with a previous set due to =
highway debris, but didn=E2=80=99t have any trouble keeping the car =
under control, and I changed to the spare on the roadside.

--
Max Heim
'66 MGB

> On Jul 24, 2023, at 12:16 AM, PaulHunt73 <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
>=20
>=20
> Many 'authorities' advise that a tyre should be examined closely at 5 =
years and replaced when it reaches 10 years old irrespective of wear.  =
This tyre was 12 years old but had only done 18k.  Certainly not mileage =
expired and if just 2 years over the 'recommended' change point is =
enough to cause this then I suggest it was either faulty or they are =
just not made to the standards they used to be.  Falken Sincera.
>=20
> http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/tyre2.htm =
<http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/tyre2.htm>
>> =20
>> =
https://www.hagerty.com/media/opinion/jay-leno-needs-about-1200-tires/?fbc=
lid=3DIwAR0aJAQN-C30NTKlLn1vLPUQMbSRidtpY6T_3TcvU9ERlvIxC21zB5vsVbQ =
<https://www.hagerty.com/media/opinion/jay-leno-needs-about-1200-tires/?fb=
clid=3DIwAR0aJAQN-C30NTKlLn1vLPUQMbSRidtpY6T_3TcvU9ERlvIxC21zB5vsVbQ>
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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">It =
just occurred to me that I bought my current tires for my previous car, =
which left the premises in 2018, and was in a state of disassembly for 3 =
or 4 years before that. So they might date back to 2014 or even 2012. =
Still at least 70% tread left and the sidewalls look fine with no =
cracking. They have always been parked out of the sun under a carport =
with a car cover. I am not too concerned about sudden failure since they =
contain inner tubes.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I=
 did once have an abrupt deflation incident with a previous set due to =
highway debris, but didn=E2=80=99t have any trouble keeping the car =
under control, and I changed to the spare on the roadside.<br =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">
--<br class=3D"">Max Heim<br class=3D"">'66 MGB

</div>

<div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Jul 24, 2023, at 12:16 AM, PaulHunt73 &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
charset=3D"UTF-8" class=3D""><p style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D"">I'm amazed Leno as a car buff didn't =
already know that.<br class=3D""></p><p style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D"">Many 'authorities' advise that a tyre =
should be examined closely at 5 years and replaced when it reaches 10 =
years old irrespective of wear.&nbsp; This tyre was 12 years old but had =
only done 18k.&nbsp; Certainly not mileage expired and if just 2 years =
over the 'recommended' change point is enough to cause this then I =
suggest it was either faulty or they are just not made to the standards =
they used to be.&nbsp; Falken Sincera.<br class=3D""></p><p =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: =
13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><a =
class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" =
href=3D"http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/tyre2.htm" style=3D"color: rgb(5, =
99, 193); text-decoration: =
underline;">http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/tyre2.htm</a><br =
class=3D""></p><div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix" style=3D"caret-color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; =
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text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;">On 23/07/2023 17:42, dave northrup wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
cite=3D"mid:[email-masked]" =
style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; =
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-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><div class=3D"WordSection1" =
style=3D"page: WordSection1;"><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Old tires<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; =
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href=3D"https://www.hagerty.com/media/opinion/jay-leno-needs-about-1200-ti=
res/?fbclid=3DIwAR0aJAQN-C30NTKlLn1vLPUQMbSRidtpY6T_3TcvU9ERlvIxC21zB5vsVb=
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style=3D"color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: =
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0-tires/?fbclid=3DIwAR0aJAQN-C30NTKlLn1vLPUQMbSRidtpY6T_3TcvU9ERlvIxC21zB5=
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From: Robert's New iPad <[email-masked]>
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	I suggest that there is a temperature component to tire life.  Tire=
s used as little as Max=E2=80=99s have been would, it seems to me, be OK at p=
resent age if they had been stored in a refrigerator. =20
	My observation of tires on MGB and truck when I moved to CT from FL=
 is that the tires did not appear to age as quickly in CT.   I did=E2=80=94t=
ires didn=E2=80=99t.   When replaced at 12 years, though, the difference in c=
ornering grip was notable.=20
Bob

> On Jul 24, 2023, at 12:23 PM, Max Heim <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> It just occurred to me that I bought my current tires for my previous car,=
 which left the premises in 2018, and was in a state of disassembly for 3 or=
 4 years before that. So they might date back to 2014 or even 2012. Still at=
 least 70% tread left and the sidewalls look fine with no cracking. They hav=
e always been parked out of the sun under a carport with a car cover. I am n=
ot too concerned about sudden failure since they contain inner tubes.
>=20
> I did once have an abrupt deflation incident with a previous set due to hi=
ghway debris, but didn=E2=80=99t have any trouble keeping the car under cont=
rol, and I changed to the spare on the roadside.
>=20
> --
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB
>=20
>> On Jul 24, 2023, at 12:16 AM, PaulHunt73 <[email-masked]> wro=
te:
>> Many 'authorities' advise that a tyre should be examined closely at 5 yea=
rs and replaced when it reaches 10 years old irrespective of wear.  This tyr=
e was 12 years old but had only done 18k.  Certainly not mileage expired and=
 if just 2 years over the 'recommended' change point is enough to cause this=
 then I suggest it was either faulty or they are just not made to the standa=
rds they used to be.  Falken Sincera.
>>> https://www.hagerty.com/media/opinion/jay-leno-needs-about-1200-tires/?f=
bclid=3DIwAR0aJAQN-C30NTKlLn1vLPUQMbSRidtpY6T_3TcvU9ERlvIxC21zB5vsVbQ
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an class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>I suggest th=
at there is a temperature component to tire life. &nbsp;Tires used as little=
 as Max=E2=80=99s have been would, it seems to me, be OK at present age if t=
hey had been stored in a refrigerator. &nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span cl=
ass=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>My observati=
on of tires on MGB and truck when I moved to CT from FL is that the tires di=
d not appear to age as quickly in CT. &nbsp; I did=E2=80=94tires didn=E2=80=99=
t. &nbsp; When replaced at 12 years, though, the difference in cornering gri=
p was notable.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jul 24, 2023, at 12:23 PM, Max Heim &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><bloc=
kquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" cont=
ent=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">It just occurred to me that I bought my c=
urrent tires for my previous car, which left the premises in 2018, and was i=
n a state of disassembly for 3 or 4 years before that. So they might date ba=
ck to 2014 or even 2012. Still at least 70% tread left and the sidewalls loo=
k fine with no cracking. They have always been parked out of the sun under a=
 carport with a car cover. I am not too concerned about sudden failure since=
 they contain inner tubes.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D=
"">I did once have an abrupt deflation incident with a previous set due to h=
ighway debris, but didn=E2=80=99t have any trouble keeping the car under con=
trol, and I changed to the spare on the roadside.<br class=3D""><div class=3D=
""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">
--<br class=3D"">Max Heim<br class=3D"">'66 MGB

</div>

<div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On J=
ul 24, 2023, at 12:16 AM, PaulHunt73 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:paulhunt73@virgin=
media.com" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br cla=
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one; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;=
 text-decoration: none;" class=3D"">I'm amazed Leno as a car buff didn't alr=
eady know that.<br class=3D""></p><p style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); fon=
t-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: n=
ormal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-ind=
ent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -web=
kit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D"">Many 'authori=
ties' advise that a tyre should be examined closely at 5 years and replaced w=
hen it reaches 10 years old irrespective of wear.&nbsp; This tyre was 12 yea=
rs old but had only done 18k.&nbsp; Certainly not mileage expired and if jus=
t 2 years over the 'recommended' change point is enough to cause this then I=
 suggest it was either faulty or they are just not made to the standards the=
y used to be.&nbsp; Falken Sincera.<br class=3D""></p><p style=3D"caret-colo=
r: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; f=
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gn: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word=
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=3D""><a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk=
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px; text-decoration: none;">On 23/07/2023 17:42, dave northrup wrote:<br cla=
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From: Max Heim <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2023 10:53:08 -0700

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That makes sense. Here on the edge of San Francisco Bay, the =
temperatures are generally quite moderate. Even during this recent heat =
wave, they only reached 90=C2=BA for a couple of days.

As for losing grip, I have noticed that phenomenon in other cases, but =
I=E2=80=99m not really aware of it on this set, yet. My previous tires =
were summer high performance tires with insane grip (but which became =
dangerously slick if they even splashed through a puddle). These are =
all-season M+S tires, so it=E2=80=99s not like they theoretically had a =
lot of grip to start with, but I really can=E2=80=99t recall ever =
spinning a tire or skidding under any circumstances other than crossing =
a painted stripe in the rain.

I recently replaced the 12-year-old Pirellis on my wife=E2=80=99s Echo, =
and they had noticeably lost grip, to the point that you could spin a =
front tire just pulling away from a stop (actually, this is not that =
surprising since the 1.5 has more torque than the MGB motor and the =
5-speed has a ridiculously low first gear ratio, to which you add =
typical FWD torque steer). They also had obvious cracking on the =
sidewalls. They still had tread because her commute over their lifespan =
had only been a 2-mile round trip.

--
Max Heim
'66 MGB

> On Jul 24, 2023, at 10:27 AM, Robert's New iPad <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
>=20
> 	I suggest that there is a temperature component to tire life.  =
Tires used as little as Max=E2=80=99s have been would, it seems to me, =
be OK at present age if they had been stored in a refrigerator. =20
> 	My observation of tires on MGB and truck when I moved to CT from =
FL is that the tires did not appear to age as quickly in CT.   I =
did=E2=80=94tires didn=E2=80=99t.   When replaced at 12 years, though, =
the difference in cornering grip was notable.=20
> Bob
>=20
>=20
> On Jul 24, 2023, at 12:23 PM, Max Heim <[email-masked] =
>=20
>>=20
>> I did once have an abrupt deflation incident with a previous set due =
to highway debris, but didn=E2=80=99t have any trouble keeping the car =
under control, and I changed to the spare on the roadside.
>>=20
>> --
>> Max Heim
>> '66 MGB
>>=20
>>> On Jul 24, 2023, at 12:16 AM, PaulHunt73 <[email-masked] =
>>>=20
>>> Many 'authorities' advise that a tyre should be examined closely at =
5 years and replaced when it reaches 10 years old irrespective of wear.  =

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">That =
makes sense. Here on the edge of San Francisco Bay, the temperatures are =
generally quite moderate. Even during this recent heat wave, they only =
reached 90=C2=BA for a couple of days.<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">As for losing grip, I have noticed that =
phenomenon in other cases, but I=E2=80=99m not really aware of it on =
this set, yet. My previous tires were summer high performance tires with =
insane grip (but which became dangerously slick if they even splashed =
through a puddle). These are all-season M+S tires, so it=E2=80=99s not =
like they theoretically had a lot of grip to start with, but I really =
can=E2=80=99t recall ever spinning a tire or skidding under any =
circumstances other than crossing a painted stripe in the =
rain.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I =
recently replaced the 12-year-old Pirellis on my wife=E2=80=99s Echo, =
and they had noticeably lost grip, to the point that you could spin a =
front tire just pulling away from a stop (actually, this is not that =
surprising since the 1.5 has more torque than the MGB motor and the =
5-speed has a ridiculously low first gear ratio, to which you add =
typical FWD torque steer). They also had obvious cracking on the =
sidewalls. They still had tread because her commute over their lifespan =
had only been a 2-mile round trip.<br class=3D""><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">
--<br class=3D"">Max Heim<br class=3D"">'66 MGB

</div>

<div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Jul 24, 2023, at 10:27 AM, Robert's New iPad &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
charset=3D"UTF-8" class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"caret-color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: =
13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space: pre;">	</span>I suggest =
that there is a temperature component to tire life. &nbsp;Tires used as =
little as Max=E2=80=99s have been would, it seems to me, be OK at =
present age if they had been stored in a refrigerator. &nbsp;</div><div =
dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; =
font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;" class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space: =
pre;">	</span>My observation of tires on MGB and truck when I moved to =
CT from FL is that the tires did not appear to age as quickly in CT. =
&nbsp; I did=E2=80=94tires didn=E2=80=99t. &nbsp; When replaced at 12 =
years, though, the difference in cornering grip was =
notable.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D"">Bob</div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: =
13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><br class=3D"">On Jul 24, 2023, at =
12:23 PM, Max Heim &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"font-family: =
Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: =
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">It just occurred to me that I bought my current =
tires for my previous car, which left the premises in 2018, and was in a =
state of disassembly for 3 or 4 years before that. So they might date =
back to 2014 or even 2012. Still at least 70% tread left and the =
sidewalls look fine with no cracking. They have always been parked out =
of the sun under a carport with a car cover. I am not too concerned =
about sudden failure since they contain inner tubes.<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I did once have an abrupt deflation =
incident with a previous set due to highway debris, but didn=E2=80=99t =
have any trouble keeping the car under control, and I changed to the =
spare on the roadside.<br class=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">--<br class=3D"">Max Heim<br class=3D"">'66 MGB</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Jul 24, 2023, at 12:16 AM, PaulHunt73 &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><p class=3D"" =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: =
13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">I'm amazed Leno =
as a car buff didn't already know that.<br class=3D""></p><p class=3D"" =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: =
13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">Many =
'authorities' advise that a tyre should be examined closely at 5 years =
and replaced when it reaches 10 years old irrespective of wear.&nbsp; =
This tyre was 12 years old but had only done 18k.&nbsp; Certainly not =
mileage expired and if just 2 years over the 'recommended' change point =
is enough to cause this then I suggest it was either faulty or they are =
just not made to the standards they used to be.&nbsp; Falken Sincera.<br =
class=3D""></p><p class=3D"" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;"><a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" =
href=3D"http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/tyre2.htm" style=3D"color: rgb(5, =
99, 193); text-decoration: =
underline;">http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/tyre2.htm</a><br =
class=3D""></p><div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix" style=3D"caret-color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;">On 23/07/2023 17:42, dave northrup wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
cite=3D"mid:[email-masked]" class=3D"" =
style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; =
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normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;"><div class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: =
WordSection1;"><div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Old tires<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0in; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><a =
href=3D"https://www.hagerty.com/media/opinion/jay-leno-needs-about-1200-ti=
res/?fbclid=3DIwAR0aJAQN-C30NTKlLn1vLPUQMbSRidtpY6T_3TcvU9ERlvIxC21zB5vsVb=
Q" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" =
style=3D"color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: =
underline;">https://www.hagerty.com/media/opinion/jay-leno-needs-about-120=
0-tires/?fbclid=3DIwAR0aJAQN-C30NTKlLn1vLPUQMbSRidtpY6T_3TcvU9ERlvIxC21zB5=
vsVbQ</a><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: =
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Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2023 13:02:32 -0700

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That=E2=80=99s what I was suggesting. Temperature was also raised as a =
contributing factor. Exposure to ozone is another I have heard. But how =
long, is the question?

I wasn=E2=80=99t ready to give up on mine yet. But YMMV. Poor Jay Leno =
has hundreds of cars, all of which are valuable, and which he likes to =
drive regularly. So keeping that stable shod has to be a massive ongoing =
expense (especially considering that many of them have unique or =
uncommon tire sizes).

--
Max Heim
'66 MGB

> On Jul 24, 2023, at 12:33 PM, <[email-masked]> =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Sunlight deteriorates tires.  If they are kept out of sunlight, =
shouldn=E2=80=99t they have a longer life?
> =20
> Maynard
> =20
> From: Mgs <[email-masked] =
> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2023 11:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] FYI
> =20
> '66 MGB=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">That=E2=80=99s what I was suggesting. Temperature was also =
raised as a contributing factor. Exposure to ozone is another I have =
heard. But how long, is the question?</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I wasn=E2=80=99t ready to give up on =
mine yet. But YMMV. Poor Jay Leno has hundreds of cars, all of which are =
valuable, and which he likes to drive regularly. So keeping that stable =
shod has to be a massive ongoing expense (especially considering that =
many of them have unique or uncommon tire sizes).</div><br class=3D""><div=
 class=3D"">
--<br class=3D"">Max Heim<br class=3D"">'66 MGB

</div>

<div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Jul 24, 2023, at 12:33 PM, &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
charset=3D"UTF-8" class=3D""><div class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: =
WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; =
font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;"><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri" class=3D""><span=
 style=3D"font-size: 11pt;" class=3D"">Sunlight deteriorates tires.<span =
class=3D"">&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span>If they are kept out =
of sunlight, shouldn=E2=80=99t they have a longer life?<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></font></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><font =
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style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri" class=3D""><span=
 style=3D"font-size: 11pt;" class=3D"">Maynard<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></font></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><font =
size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt;" =
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size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-weight: bold;" class=3D"">From:</span></font></b><span =
class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><b class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-weight: bold;" class=3D"">On Behalf Of<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></b>Max Heim<br =
class=3D""><b class=3D""><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;" =
class=3D"">Sent:</span></b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Monday, July 24, 2023 11:24 =
AM<br class=3D""><b class=3D""><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;" =
class=3D"">To:</span></b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>mglist &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br =
class=3D""><b class=3D""><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;" =
class=3D"">Subject:</span></b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Mgs] FYI<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><font =
size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri" class=3D""><span=
 style=3D"font-size: 11pt;" class=3D"">It just occurred to me that I =
bought my current tires for my previous car, which left the premises in =
2018, and was in a state of disassembly for 3 or 4 years before that. So =
they might date back to 2014 or even 2012. Still at least 70% tread left =
and the sidewalls look fine with no cracking. They have always been =
parked out of the sun under a carport with a car cover. I am not too =
concerned about sudden failure since they contain inner tubes.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></font></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:=
 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><font=
 size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt;" class=3D"">I did once have =
an abrupt deflation incident with a previous set due to highway debris, =
but didn=E2=80=99t have any trouble keeping the car under control, and I =
changed to the spare on the roadside.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></font></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:=
 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><font=
 size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt;" class=3D"">--<br =
class=3D"">Max Heim<br class=3D"">'66 MGB<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></font></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri" class=3D""><span=
 style=3D"font-size: 11pt;" class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></font></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top: =
5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=3D"" type=3D"cite"><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri" class=3D""><span=
 style=3D"font-size: 11pt;" class=3D"">On Jul 24, 2023, at 12:16 AM, =
PaulHunt73 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></font></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><font =
size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-caps: =
normal; text-align: start; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-spacing: =
0px;" class=3D""><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Verdana" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">I'm amazed Leno as a car buff didn't already know that.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></font></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; caret-color: rgb(0, =
0, 0); font-variant-caps: normal; text-align: start; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-spacing: 0px;" class=3D""><font =
size=3D"2" face=3D"Verdana" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Many 'authorities' advise =
that a tyre should be examined closely at 5 years and replaced when it =
reaches 10 years old irrespective of wear.&nbsp; This tyre was 12 years =
old but had only done 18k.&nbsp; Certainly not mileage expired and if =
just 2 years over the 'recommended' change point is enough to cause this =
then I suggest it was either faulty or they are just not made to the =
standards they used to be.&nbsp; Falken Sincera.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></font></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; caret-color: rgb(0, =
0, 0); font-variant-caps: normal; text-align: start; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-spacing: 0px;" class=3D""><font =
size=3D"2" face=3D"Verdana" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=3D""><a =
href=3D"http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/tyre2.htm" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><font color=3D"#0563c1" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(5, 99, 193);" =
class=3D"">http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/tyre2.htm</span></font></a><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></font></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:=
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font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=3D"">On 23/07/2023 17:42, dave =
northrup wrote:<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></font></div></div><blockquote=
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size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt;" =
class=3D"">Old tires<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></font></div></div><div =
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href=3D"https://www.hagerty.com/media/opinion/jay-leno-needs-about-1200-ti=
res/?fbclid=3DIwAR0aJAQN-C30NTKlLn1vLPUQMbSRidtpY6T_3TcvU9ERlvIxC21zB5vsVb=
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color=3D"#0563c1" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(5, 99, 193);" =
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From: PaulHunt73 <[email-masked]> 3wJvWbZ7RVu+0R2Y16YRkQHODT3RwqzXBQXeveVO4sHtkgb6YUTcFzEezK73O3SVBDXEHdhxmYo92g38BkfbPV7zLr3qRgox0dQ=
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2023 14:02:14 +0100

Jay Leno is hardly poor :o)

Mine was tubed and I expected it to be shredded, but it just had a cut 
about 3" long.  One of the spokes had broken, normally they just lose 
the head in the hub and the pressure keeps the main part in the rim.  
This was missing altogether, heaven knows where that went.  A rear tyre, 
I can't remember what the sensation was when it suddenly deflated at 
70mph, but it was so mild I just brought the car to a halt as I normally 
would.  Rear tyre so may have helped, and passenger side so safer to 
change on the motorway. Touring fully laden so stuff had to be unloaded.

PaulH.

On 24/07/2023 17:23, Max Heim wrote:
> It just occurred to me that I bought my current tires for my previous 
> car, which left the premises in 2018, and was in a state of 
> disassembly for 3 or 4 years before that. So they might date back to 
> 2014 or even 2012. Still at least 70% tread left and the sidewalls 
> look fine with no cracking. They have always been parked out of the 
> sun under a carport with a car cover. I am not too concerned about 
> sudden failure since they contain inner tubes.
>
> I did once have an abrupt deflation incident with a previous set due 
> to highway debris, but didn’t have any trouble keeping the car under 
> control, and I changed to the spare on the roadside.
>
> --
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB
>

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