Subject: Re: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 181, Issue 6

From: Eric Russell <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 14:27:31 -0400

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>  Other than getting the bolts started, which is a terror, the front
subframe swap is easy.

You can't swap the subframe (crossmember) in an MGA. It is welded to the
chassis in the MGA, unlike the MGB where it is bolted to the unibody.

You can swap the front hubs. Drum to drum would be easy, disc to disc would
be easy, Not as easy front drum to disc & vice versa. Swap the entire rear
axles (& hand brake cables) as the two axles are slightly different in
overall width (to account for the different back spacing of the wheels). Do
not swap the rear axle shafts - the different lengths will not engage with
the differential gears properly.

More details here: http://www.mgaguru.com/mgtech/suspensn/fs301.htm

EjR

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> From: dave northrup <[email-masked]>
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> Subject: [Mgs] wire wheels vs disks
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> I have 2 MGAs, 56 and 59.  I want to swap the axles? Because one is a disk
> car and one is a wire wheel car.
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> Well, when I had that situation with two MGBs (I wanted to put the wire
> wheels on the car I was planning to restore, and swap the steel wheels to
> the car i would dispose of), I swapped the entire suspensions ? the third
> member (rear axle) with leaf springs, and the front subframe with all
> suspension attached. You wouldn?t have to do the leafs ? I happened to know
> which set was newer. Actually, in this case, the wire wheel suspension had
> been regularly maintained and had many new parts, and the steel wheel setup
> had been sitting untouched for possibly 30 years, so it was clear that I
> wanted all the other components along with the wire wheel hubs. If the
> situation regarding the condition of the parts had been different, I might
> have tried to do it piecemeal. But in my case the full swap was the easiest
> and best way.
>
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> Max Heim
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> > On Jun 22, 2022, at 7:10 AM, dave northrup <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> > I have 2 MGAs, 56 and 59.  I want to swap the axles? Because one is a
> disk car and one is a wire wheel car.
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> > How hard is that?
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> Other than getting the bolts started, which is a terror, the front
> subframe swap is easy. You can even roll it on its wheels from one car to
> the other. You can roll the rear axle, too, so if you have 8 jack stands it
> is a pretty smooth operation.
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> Max Heim
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> > On Jun 22, 2022, at 9:27 AM, dave northrup <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> > Thank you
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> > From: Mgs <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Max Heim
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 11:25 AM
> > To: mglist <[email-masked]>
> > Subject: Re: [Mgs] wire wheels vs disks
> >
> > Well, when I had that situation with two MGBs (I wanted to put the wire
> wheels on the car I was planning to restore, and swap the steel wheels to
> the car i would dispose of), I swapped the entire suspensions ? the third
> member (rear axle) with leaf springs, and the front subframe with all
> suspension attached. You wouldn?t have to do the leafs ? I happened to know
> which set was newer. Actually, in this case, the wire wheel suspension had
> been regularly maintained and had many new parts, and the steel wheel setup
> had been sitting untouched for possibly 30 years, so it was clear that I
> wanted all the other components along with the wire wheel hubs. If the
> situation regarding the condition of the parts had been different, I might
> have tried to do it piecemeal. But in my case the full swap was the easiest
> and best way.
> >
> > --
> > Max Heim
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > I have 2 MGAs, 56 and 59.  I want to swap the axles? Because one is a
> disk car and one is a wire wheel car.
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> > How hard is that?
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> From: PaulHunt73 <[email-masked]>
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> Based on the MGB as long as it is the same design of axle it's not
> difficult, just needs a shorter handbrake cable.
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> On 22/06/2022 15:10, dave northrup wrote:
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> > I have 2 MGAs, 56 and 59.? I want to swap the axles? Because one is a
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<div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;=C2=A0

Other than getting the bolts started, which is a terror, the front subframe=
 swap is easy.=C2=A0=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>You can&#39;t swap the subfra=
me (crossmember) in an MGA. It is welded to the chassis in the MGA, unlike =
the MGB where it is bolted to the unibody.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Y=
ou can swap the front hubs. Drum to drum would be easy, disc to disc would =
be easy, Not as easy front drum to disc &amp; vice versa. Swap the entire r=
ear axles (&amp; hand brake cables) as the two axles are slightly different=
 in overall width (to account for the different back spacing=C2=A0of the wh=
eels). Do not swap the rear axle shafts - the different lengths will not en=
gage with the differential gears properly.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>M=
ore details here:=C2=A0<a href=3D"http://www.mgaguru.com/mgtech/suspensn/fs=
301.htm">http://www.mgaguru.com/mgtech/suspensn/fs301.htm</a>=C2=A0</div><d=
iv><br></div><div>EjR=C2=A0=C2=A0</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"=
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k">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
To: &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">mgs@autox=
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To: mglist &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">mgs@=
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Subject: Re: [Mgs] wire wheels vs disks<br>
c.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>=
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Well, when I had that situation with two MGBs (I wanted to put the wire whe=
els on the car I was planning to restore, and swap the steel wheels to the =
car i would dispose of), I swapped the entire suspensions ? the third membe=
r (rear axle) with leaf springs, and the front subframe with all suspension=
 attached. You wouldn?t have to do the leafs ? I happened to know which set=
 was newer. Actually, in this case, the wire wheel suspension had been regu=
larly maintained and had many new parts, and the steel wheel setup had been=
 sitting untouched for possibly 30 years, so it was clear that I wanted all=
 the other components along with the wire wheel hubs. If the situation rega=
rding the condition of the parts had been different, I might have tried to =
do it piecemeal. But in my case the full swap was the easiest and best way.=
<br>
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&gt; On Jun 22, 2022, at 7:10 AM, dave northrup &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dave@=
ranteer.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I have 2 MGAs, 56 and 59.=C2=A0 I want to swap the axles? Because one =
is a disk car and one is a wire wheel car.<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 <br>
&gt; How hard is that?<br>
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To: mglist &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">mgs@=
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Subject: Re: [Mgs] wire wheels vs disks<br>
c.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt;<br>
<br>
Other than getting the bolts started, which is a terror, the front subframe=
 swap is easy. You can even roll it on its wheels from one car to the other=
. You can roll the rear axle, too, so if you have 8 jack stands it is a pre=
tty smooth operation.<br>
<br>
<br>
--<br>
Max Heim<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><=
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&gt; On Jun 22, 2022, at 9:27 AM, dave northrup &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dave@=
ranteer.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Thank you<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 <br>
&gt; From: Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"=
_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; On Behalf Of Max Heim<br>
&gt; Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 11:25 AM<br>
&gt; To: mglist &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank"=
>[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; Subject: Re: [Mgs] wire wheels vs disks<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 <br>
&gt; Well, when I had that situation with two MGBs (I wanted to put the wir=
e wheels on the car I was planning to restore, and swap the steel wheels to=
 the car i would dispose of), I swapped the entire suspensions ? the third =
member (rear axle) with leaf springs, and the front subframe with all suspe=
nsion attached. You wouldn?t have to do the leafs ? I happened to know whic=
h set was newer. Actually, in this case, the wire wheel suspension had been=
 regularly maintained and had many new parts, and the steel wheel setup had=
 been sitting untouched for possibly 30 years, so it was clear that I wante=
d all the other components along with the wire wheel hubs. If the situation=
 regarding the condition of the parts had been different, I might have trie=
d to do it piecemeal. But in my case the full swap was the easiest and best=
 way.<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 <br>
&gt; --<br>
&gt; Max Heim<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
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&gt; On Jun 22, 2022, at 7:10 AM, dave northrup &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dave@=
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&gt; I have 2 MGAs, 56 and 59.=C2=A0 I want to swap the axles? Because one =
is a disk car and one is a wire wheel car.<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 <br>
&gt; How hard is that?<br>
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Subject: Re: [Mgs] wire wheels vs disks<br>
inmedia.com" target=3D"_blank">023fbe1a-33f0-2aba-2208-b6f621f7c059@virginm=
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d&quot;<br>
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Based on the MGB as long as it is the same design of axle it&#39;s not <br>
difficult, just needs a shorter handbrake cable.<br>
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On 22/06/2022 15:10, dave northrup wrote:<br>
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&gt; I have 2 MGAs, 56 and 59.? I want to swap the axles? Because one is a =
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&gt; disk car and one is a wire wheel car.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; How hard is that?<br>
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