Subject: Re: [Mgs] Coughing, spitting, and dying

From: Max Heim <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 12:34:23 -0700

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Sounds more like a carb/fuel issue to me. Can=E2=80=99t see how it would be e=
lectrical.

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et my hands around. When cold it coughs and sputters when first starting up a=
nd when warm will not run at idle without stalling after several minutes. Th=
inking it might be an electrical issue, I replaced the plugs, plug wires, di=
stributor cap, coil, and battery. It has a PerTronix Ignitor module installe=
d which I did not replace. The battery shows 12.7 volts on my meter. The alt=
ernator is producing 14.6 volts at ~1500 RPMs and 14.3 under load. Fuel is f=
ed to an Edelbrock 1404 carburetor via a Facet electric pump with new filter=
s in the line at the pump and just before the carburetor. I use 93 octane no=
n-ethanol gas. I appreciate any thoughts or suggestions you may have.
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utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Sounds more like a carb/fuel issue to me. C=
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serif;color:black">Have an 80 MGB V8 conversion that has developed a problem=
 I can=E2=80=99t get my hands around. When cold it coughs and sputters when f=
irst starting up and when warm will not run at idle without stalling after s=
everal minutes. Thinking it might be an electrical issue, I replaced the plu=
gs, plug wires, distributor cap, coil, and battery. It has a PerTronix Ignit=
or module installed which I did not replace. The battery shows 12.7 volts on=
 my meter. The alternator is producing 14.6 volts at ~1500 RPMs and 14.3 und=
er load. Fuel is fed to an Edelbrock 1404 carburetor via a Facet electric pu=
mp with new filters in the line at the pump and just before the carburetor. I=
 use 93 octane non-ethanol gas. I appreciate any thoughts or suggestions you=
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My bet would be a 'soft' blockage in the fuel line

Cheers
Barrie

On 4/21/2022 2:56 PM, [email-masked] wrote:
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> Have an 80 MGB V8 conversion that has developed a problem I can’t get 
> my hands around. When cold it coughs and sputters when first starting 
> up and when warm will not run at idle without stalling after several 
> minutes. Thinking it might be an electrical issue, I replaced the 
> plugs, plug wires, distributor cap, coil, and battery. It has a 
> PerTronix Ignitor module installed which I did not replace. The 
> battery shows 12.7 volts on my meter. The alternator is producing 14.6 
> volts at ~1500 RPMs and 14.3 under load. Fuel is fed to an Edelbrock 
> 1404 carburetor via a Facet electric pump with new filters in the line 
> at the pump and just before the carburetor. I use 93 octane 
> non-ethanol gas. I appreciate any thoughts or suggestions you may have.
>
> Jim Ray
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    <font size="5">My bet would be a 'soft' blockage in the fuel line<br>
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      Cheers<br>
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            get my hands around. When cold it coughs and sputters when
            first starting up and when warm will not run at idle without
            stalling after several minutes. Thinking it might be an
            electrical issue, I replaced the plugs, plug wires,
            distributor cap, coil, and battery. It has a PerTronix
            Ignitor module installed which I did not replace. The
            battery shows 12.7 volts on my meter. The alternator is
            producing 14.6 volts at ~1500 RPMs and 14.3 under load. Fuel
            is fed to an Edelbrock 1404 carburetor via a Facet electric
            pump with new filters in the line at the pump and just
            before the carburetor. I use 93 octane non-ethanol gas. I
            appreciate any thoughts or suggestions you may have.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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The initial problem sounds like insufficient enrichment when cold.  
What's the tach doing - steady or jumping around?  Stalling from idle 
could be gross fuel starvation, i.e. the same problem, or could be 
flooding.  Immediately after it has stalled are the plug wet?  Dry?  
Strong fuel smell or what?  In between starting and stalling will it rev up?

Take the fuel line off the carb, direct it into a container, and turn on 
the ignition.  An SU pump including on a factory V8 should deliver a 
minimum of one Imperial pint per minute and in practice double that in a 
continuous series of pulses with minimal bubbling.  I don't know if a 
Facet uses pulses or a steady stream.

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    <p>The initial problem sounds like insufficient enrichment when
      cold.  What's the tach doing - steady or jumping around?  Stalling
      from idle could be gross fuel starvation, i.e. the same problem,
      or could be flooding.  Immediately after it has stalled are the
      plug wet?  Dry?  Strong fuel smell or what?  In between starting
      and stalling will it rev up?</p>
    <p>Take the fuel line off the carb, direct it into a container, and
      turn on the ignition.  An SU pump including on a factory V8 should
      deliver a minimum of one Imperial pint per minute and in practice
      double that in a continuous series of pulses with minimal
      bubbling.  I don't know if a Facet uses pulses or a steady stream.<br>
    </p>
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            an 80 MGB V8 conversion that has developed a problem I can’t
            get my hands around. When cold it coughs and sputters when
            first starting up and when warm will not run at idle without
            stalling after several minutes. Thinking it might be an
            electrical issue, I replaced the plugs, plug wires,
            distributor cap, coil, and battery. It has a PerTronix
            Ignitor module installed which I did not replace. The
            battery shows 12.7 volts on my meter. The alternator is
            producing 14.6 volts at ~1500 RPMs and 14.3 under load. Fuel
            is fed to an Edelbrock 1404 carburetor via a Facet electric
            pump with new filters in the line at the pump and just
            before the carburetor. I use 93 octane non-ethanol gas. I
            appreciate any thoughts or suggestions you may have.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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New fuel filter? 

Have carb cleaned.

Clogged jet(s)?

Cheers, Hans

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Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Coughing, spitting, and dying

Cheers
Barrie

:

Have an 80 MGB V8 conversion that has developed a problem I can=E2=80=99t g=
et my hands around. When cold it coughs and sputters when first starting up=
 and when warm will not run at idle without stalling after several minutes.=
 Thinking it might be an electrical issue, I replaced the plugs, plug wires=
, distributor cap, coil, and battery. It has a PerTronix Ignitor module ins=
talled which I did not replace. The battery shows 12.7 volts on my meter. T=
he alternator is producing 14.6 volts at ~1500 RPMs and 14.3 under load. Fu=
el is fed to an Edelbrock 1404 carburetor via a Facet electric pump with ne=
w filters in the line at the pump and just before the carburetor. I use 93 =
octane non-ethanol gas. I appreciate any thoughts or suggestions you may ha=
ve.

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e:EN-US'>Have carb cleaned.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span=
 style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Clogged jet(s)?<o:p></o:p></span></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:E=
N-US'>Cheers, Hans<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D=
'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D=
'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p c=
lass=3DMsoNormal><b>Van:</b> Mgs &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>Name=
ns </b>Barrie Robinson<br><b>Verzonden:</b> Friday, 22 April 2022 00:59<br>=
<b>Aan:</b> [email-masked]; [email-masked]<br><b>CC:</b> MGB-V8@aut=
ox.team.net<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Coughing, spitting, and dying<o:=
p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'font-size:18.0pt=
'>My bet would be a 'soft' blockage in the fuel line<br><br>Cheers<br>Barri=
e<br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On 4/21/2022 2:56 =
PM, <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> wrote:<o:p=
></o:p></p></div><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",s=
ans-serif;color:black'>Have an 80 MGB V8 conversion that has developed a pr=
oblem I can=E2=80=99t get my hands around. When cold it coughs and sputters=
 when first starting up and when warm will not run at idle without stalling=
 after several minutes. Thinking it might be an electrical issue, I replace=
d the plugs, plug wires, distributor cap, coil, and battery. It has a PerTr=
onix Ignitor module installed which I did not replace. The battery shows 12=
=2E7 volts on my meter. The alternator is producing 14.6 volts at ~1500 RPM=
s and 14.3 under load. Fuel is fed to an Edelbrock 1404 carburetor via a Fa=
cet electric pump with new filters in the line at the pump and just before =
the carburetor. I use 93 octane non-ethanol gas. I appreciate any thoughts =
or suggestions you may have.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><spa=
n style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0=
pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Jim Ray</span><o:p></o:p></p=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",s=
ans-serif;color:black'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><sp=
an style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#373737'>=
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