Subject: Re: [Mgs] Suspicious noise

From: "PaulHunt73" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2021 08:26:02 +0100 RT/XlOxkvyd0BeHr5aE7oCnOHFXpd89oex4/yhiLpVXAub47bZ4lEA1sCULhiifmqKoarEkSeTskHbd200ZTou4Oe7wuHxKWcnc=

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You say that, but neither the wheel bearings nor the drive train are =
under any load.  You could check the former by getting the car rolling =
then taking it out of gear and seeing how the noise changes, and the =
latter by driving the rear wheels when on jacks with the handbrake on.

It's more likely to be the front brakes binding than the bearings, I'd =
have thought.

If it does it rolling as well as driving and you are brave enough and =
can find someone you can trust, you could lie on the ground as they roll =
past you and that might show whether it's from the front or the back.

PaulH.
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  With the car on front & rear jack stands the noise isn't there. With =
the front wheels on the ground and the rear on stands and transmission =
engaged, the noise also isn't there so one could assume the drive train =
isn't the root cause on my noise. My suspicion is that it is somewhere =
in the front axles but visual inspection hasn't produced any clues.=20

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<DIV>You say that, but neither the&nbsp;wheel bearings nor the drive =
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taking it out of gear and seeing how the noise changes, and the latter =
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driving the rear wheels when on jacks with the handbrake on.</DIV>
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<DIV>It's more likely to be the front brakes binding than the bearings, =
I'd have=20
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<DIV>If it does it rolling as well as driving and you&nbsp;are brave =
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  &amp; rear jack stands the noise isn=92t there. With the front wheels =
on the=20
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isn=92t=20
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From: Mark Robinson <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2021 10:52:33 -0400

I need to remove the starter motor on my 1975 MG.  I tried to remove the 
rubber motor cover and was able to slide it forward but I couldn't pull 
it out. I am working from below. With the cover pulled forward I can 
access the solenoid wiring bolts and also the motor mounting bolts. Can 
I remove the starter motor together with it's cover as one assembly ?  I 
plan on removing the starter from below as the vehicle is up on a four 
post lift and the clutch solenoid is removed.

thanks

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From: "PaulHunt73" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2021 16:38:18 +0100 rexz9kgeYL/FEvlhlebBbildoJvYhx/HmZVScnipmPfwN54kpeguCsmf1To5ob5NFmi5yNrD5Wzaf2Cf6w9fzBXSiIEtkyPOTWXsuE+wCY/Ui7+JrSGRZkEi

My 73 doesn't have the cover, but if you can remove all the connections and 
the mounting bolts now I'd have thought by pushing the cover back on you 
could remove the two together.  I can't see the cover mentioned for removal 
of either type of pre-engaged in either the WSM or Haynes.  Unless 
frequently driven in very wet and salty conditions I'd ponder leaving it 
off.

PaulH.

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From: Mark Robinson <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2021 09:57:48 -0400

Thanks to everyone for their advice. I removed the starter motor from my 
1975 MGB from below this morning.   I am 69 now so it is getting harder 
to do these things. Thank goodness I have a four post lift.    When I 
had both bolts out I was able to force the rubber boot off and then get 
the starter motor out.

I don't want to wrestle with it again and it is very old and greasy so I 
am going to replace it with one of the modern hi torque starter motors 
which hopfully will be lighter , smaller and easier to replace.

Does anyone have a recommendation for a good make?  I see several are 
available.

thanks  Mark

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From: "PaulHunt73" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2021 15:53:09 +0100 3S8vGMoPgcCU4OI6m/RmslbDVoibgMa8Tqr/I5EQ5tXuQuVNqR2yGv1MCNFzjMaFRk9DAw4v51WdV0uVFlrJ1ivv3qXp2H4mQPivSIrsMQGJ/yAZWgwEMXwF

It's not so much the make as the supplier.  There are a few motor 
manufacturers that supply for many different marques and models with 
adapters to suit.  It's the adapter that is important, which positions the 
motor and solenoid correctly for the MGB.  One version has a captive bolt as 
the adapter/motor arrangement does not allow it to be fitted at the time of 
installation without dismantling, I'd avoid that type.

Also the number of teeth on the pinion can vary - pre-engaged (10 except V8 
which has 9) differ to inertia (9) for example, so you need to get one for 
your engine/gearbox i.e. nominally the year, unless it is non-standard.

PaulH.

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Incidentally I should have mentioned that there are 'hi torque' starters 
that are of conventional construction and others that are 'geared', the 
latter being several more times expensive.

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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2021 16:28:44 +0000

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I have the one from Moss, that I bought at a swap meet. I works fine. Now, =
that said, there really is nothing wrong with the orig starter, that too wo=
rks fine.  I have not ever had a problem with them. I only changed as an up=
grade for a very reasonable price.

My 3 cents.

Paul Osborne
Department of Electrical and Computer Eng
University of Rochester
201 Hopeman Building RC
Rochester NY 14627
   585-275-5226

On Aug 24, 2021, at 11:58 AM, PaulHunt73 <[email-masked]<mailto=
:[email-masked]>> wrote:

Incidentally I should have mentioned that there are 'hi torque' starters th=
at are of conventional construction and others that are 'geared', the latte=
r being several more times expensive.

----- Original Message ----- Does anyone have a recommendation for a good m=
ake? I see several are
available.

thanks Mark

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From: Andrew Lundgren <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2021 10:42:55 -0600

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I replaced my stock started that failed with a hitoque version.  I got the
Wosp starter.
https://mossmotors.com/high-torque-starter-by-wosp-performance-18

The wire placement is a bit different than stock. Works great, MUCH
lighter. My son doesn't like the sound of it, he says it sounds like a
modern car starter now. I didn't notice a difference.

I've got no complaints with it.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">I replaced my stock started that failed w=
ith a hitoque version.=C2=A0 I got the Wosp starter.=C2=A0=C2=A0<a href=3D"=
https://mossmotors.com/high-torque-starter-by-wosp-performance-18">https://=
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><div>The wire placement is a bit different than stock. Works great, MUCH l=
ighter. My son doesn&#39;t like the sound of it, he says it sounds like a m=
odern car starter now. I didn&#39;t notice a difference.</div><div><br></di=
v><div>I&#39;ve got no complaints with it.</div><div><br></div><div>--</div=
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border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Thanks to everyone=
 for their advice. I removed the starter motor from my <br>
1975 MGB from below this morning.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I am 69 now so it is getting =
harder <br>
to do these things. Thank goodness I have a four post lift.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 When I <br>
had both bolts out I was able to force the rubber boot off and then get <br=
the starter motor out.<br>
<br>
I don&#39;t want to wrestle with it again and it is very old and greasy so =
I <br>
am going to replace it with one of the modern hi torque starter motors <br>
which hopfully will be lighter , smaller and easier to replace.<br>
<br>
Does anyone have a recommendation for a good make?=C2=A0 I see several are =
<br>
available.<br>
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From: Mark Robinson <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2021 12:46:50 -0400

I found this lying on the garage floor underneath my 1975 MG. It is up 
on the ramps and I have just removed the starter motor.

Does anyone know what it is and where it came from ?

https://www.mediafire.com/view/55fjp6bsatnaf9n/DSCN3671.JPG/file

https://www.mediafire.com/view/srtn6lu0bdghvuv/DSCN3672.JPG/file

https://www.mediafire.com/view/u9mqid9tkqkyxwm/DSCN3673.JPG/file

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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2021 13:13:49 -0400

I don’t recognise this little gubbin.  I never found one that had dropped off my car. 
    Is there a part number moulded into the plastic?
Bob

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I don't see  a part number. It might be from something else...you know I 
am thinking it might have fallen out of a bag that was a plumbing 
fixture removed from the shower. I bet it is a hot cold water mixer. 
Sorry to have bothered the group.

Mark

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From: i erbs <[email-masked]>
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Looks like a blanking plate for a manual fuel pump 9n side of the block.

Ira Erbs
1959 AH 100-6
1967 MGB
Milwaukie, OR

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<div dir=3D"auto">Looks like a blanking plate for a manual fuel pump 9n sid=
e of the block.=C2=A0<br><br><div data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature">Ira Er=
bs<br>1959 AH 100-6<br>1967 MGB<br>Milwaukie, OR</div></div><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Aug 26, 2021=
, 9:47 AM Mark Robinson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">markr=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I =
found this lying on the garage floor underneath my 1975 MG. It is up <br>
on the ramps and I have just removed the starter motor.<br>
<br>
Does anyone know what it is and where it came from ?<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"https://www.mediafire.com/view/55fjp6bsatnaf9n/DSCN3671.JPG/file=
" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.mediafire.com=
/view/55fjp6bsatnaf9n/DSCN3671.JPG/file</a><br>
<br>
<a href=3D"https://www.mediafire.com/view/srtn6lu0bdghvuv/DSCN3672.JPG/file=
" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.mediafire.com=
/view/srtn6lu0bdghvuv/DSCN3672.JPG/file</a><br>
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thanks<br>
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From: "PaulHunt73" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2021 09:43:50 +0100 TbNwBvNUQ/oRckp9l1YKalMIjUoZjXW50OTKvRXfMgyqgelUi9PmwLkqbPfaikfrUmu3x00gQxcOYP7CjhsU2b5W3F3DoA/Sz+Aw2eZhvy+2DVcPmUIPR7H9

Nothing I recognise from a UK car, but then North American (if that is what 
it is) had more and different stuff.

Definitely not a mechanical pump blanking plate, they are flat metal and 
larger.

Look around above where you found it for something loose/hanging/or an 
aperture of that shape and size.

PaulH.

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>I found this lying on the garage floor underneath my 1975 MG. It is up on 
>the ramps and I have just removed the starter motor.
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I did not see the other photos before commenting. I now retract my comment
:)

Ira Erbs
1959 AH 100-6
1967 MGB
Milwaukie, OR

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<div dir=3D"auto">I did not see the other photos before commenting. I now r=
etract my comment :)<div dir=3D"auto"><br><br><div data-smartmail=3D"gmail_=
signature" dir=3D"auto">Ira Erbs<br>1959 AH 100-6<br>1967 MGB<br>Milwaukie,=
 OR</div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Aug 27, 2021, 2:15 AM PaulHunt73 &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<b=
r></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border=
-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Nothing I recognise from a UK car, b=
ut then North American (if that is what <br>
it is) had more and different stuff.<br>
<br>
Definitely not a mechanical pump blanking plate, they are flat metal and <b=
r>
larger.<br>
<br>
Look around above where you found it for something loose/hanging/or an <br>
aperture of that shape and size.<br>
<br>
PaulH.<br>
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&gt;I found this lying on the garage floor underneath my 1975 MG. It is up =
on <br>
&gt;the ramps and I have just removed the starter motor.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Does anyone know what it is and where it came from ?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"https://www.mediafire.com/view/55fjp6bsatnaf9n/DSCN3671.JPG=
/file" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.mediafir=
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&gt;<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"https://www.mediafire.com/view/srtn6lu0bdghvuv/DSCN3672.JPG=
/file" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.mediafir=
e.com/view/srtn6lu0bdghvuv/DSCN3672.JPG/file</a><br>
&gt;<br>
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/file" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.mediafir=
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