Subject: Re: [Mgs] Water Pump

From: "PaulHunt73" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 08:24:40 +0100 d42mXmwGJx04/JHrEDuOOzFGdW2yJP0DIexJHdrUvohbz3YT69IiYIwG

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I would never expect it to be.  How much stuff like this is made in =
England these days, or America for that matter?

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  Just received my new water pump for my 1969 MGB GT from Moss.  Made in =
England, NOT!
  Mike MacLean

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<DIV>I would never expect it to be.&nbsp; How much stuff like this is =
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  <DIV dir=3Dauto>Just received my new water pump for my 1969 MGB GT =
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Right. And if they were we'd be b*tching about the price!

Dan D
'76B, '65B
Central NJ USA
http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/

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> England, NOT!
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Right. And if they were we&#39;d be b*tching about the pri=
ce!<div><br></div><div>Dan D</div><div>&#39;76B, &#39;65B</div><div>Central=
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"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 3:51 AM PaulHunt73 &lt;<=
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<div>I would never expect it to be.=C2=A0 How much stuff like this is made =
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  <div dir=3D"auto">Just received my new water pump for my 1969 MGB GT from=
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Talking to a chap recently with a leaking pump, reluctant to replace it =
given the reported problems with new units so he has sent it off to a =
rebuilder who does them for Jags and the like - I'm waiting to hear how =
much that costs!
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<DIV>Talking to a chap recently with a leaking pump, reluctant to =
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     One imagines, seemingly foolishly, that the low production costs in a c=
ertain eastern nation would be so low that additional quality could be built=
 included at an acceptable selling price.
     One is so often disappointed.
Bob

> On Jun 24, 2021, at 8:52 AM, Osborne, Paul <[email-masked]> wrote:=

>=20
> Not to sure if I would complain about the price if I received a quality no=
t have ing to return it 3 times to get a good one!!!  Part.    Why can=E2=80=
=99t we just get good part.=20
>=20
> Paul
>=20
>=20
>> Paul Osborne
>> Department of Electrical and Computer Eng
>> University of Rochester=20
>> 201 Hopeman Building RC
>> Rochester NY 14627
>>=20
>    585-275-5226
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>> On Jun 24, 2021, at 7:27 AM, Dan DiBiase <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>=20
>>> On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 3:51 AM PaulHunt73 <[email-masked]> w=
rote:
>>> I would never expect it to be.  How much stuff like this is made in Engl=
and these days, or America for that matter?
>>> Just received my new water pump for my 1969 MGB GT from Moss.  Made in E=
ngland, NOT!
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osts in a certain eastern nation would be so low that additional quality cou=
ld be built included at an acceptable selling price.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&=
nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;One is so often disappointed.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob</=
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Not to sure if I would complain about the price if I received a quality not h=
ave ing to return it 3 times to get a good one!!! &nbsp;Part. &nbsp; &nbsp;W=
hy can=E2=80=99t we just get good part.&nbsp;
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According to The Flying Dutchman, self styled water pump expert, the =
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rebuild one for you.  it will last.=20

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Sadly, Racestorations in England makes a billet aluminum water pump for =
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From: Mgs <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Robert's New iPad
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     One imagines, seemingly foolishly, that the low production costs in =
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one for you.=C2=A0 it will last. <o:p></o:p></p><p =
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om/</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Sadly, Racestorations in England makes a billet =
aluminum water pump for that other brand.=C2=A0 Not for =
us.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Mgs =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert's New =
iPad<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 24, 2021 8:01 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
Osborne, Paul &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> mglist =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mgs] [EXT] Water =
Pump<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp;One imagines, seemingly foolishly, that the low production =
costs in a certain eastern nation would be so low that additional =
quality could be built included at an acceptable selling =
price.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;One is so often disappointed.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Bob<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Jun 24, 2021, at 8:52 AM, Osborne, =
Paul &lt;<a =
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class=3DMsoNormal>Not to sure if I would complain about the price if I =
received a quality not have ing to return it 3 times to get a good =
one!!! &nbsp;Part. &nbsp; &nbsp;Why can=E2=80=99t we just get good =
part.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Paul<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;orphans: 2;widows: 2'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Paul =
Osborne<br>Department of Electrical and&nbsp;Computer Eng<br>University =
of Rochester&nbsp;<br>201 Hopeman Building RC<br>Rochester NY =
14627<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp; =
&nbsp;585-275-5226<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
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wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
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class=3DMsoNormal>Right. And if they were we'd be b*tching about the =
price! <o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Dan D<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>'76B, '65B<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
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Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 3:51 AM PaulHunt73 &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
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Agreed

Ira Erbs
1959 AH 100-6
1967 MGB
Milwaukie, OR

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<div dir=3D"auto">Agreed<br><br><div data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature">Ira=
 Erbs<br>1959 AH 100-6<br>1967 MGB<br>Milwaukie, OR</div></div><br><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 24, 20=
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 dir=3D"ltr">Right. And if they were we&#39;d be b*tching about the price!<=
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<div>I would never expect it to be.=C2=A0 How much stuff like this is made =
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England these days, or America for that matter?</div>
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  <div dir=3D"auto">Just received my new water pump for my 1969 MGB GT from=
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  <div dir=3D"auto">Mike MacLean</div></div>
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I'm old enough to remember my parents telling me that products marked =
'Empire made' i.e. Hong Kong were rubbish and that was over 60 years =
ago.

Blame end-users who chase the cheapest price.
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Now, I wonder who this Flying Dutchman is! 

Not me!

Cheers, 

Hans - mostly on wired wheels =3D 71 BGT, his race bike or one of his three=
 seventies Puch mopeds

Van: Mgs <[email-masked]> Namens dave
Verzonden: donderdag 24 juni 2021 15:24
Aan: 'mglist' <[email-masked]>
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] [EXT] Water Pump

According to The Flying Dutchman, self styled water pump expert, the water =
pumps these days are crap.  If you want real quality, have him rebuild one =
for you.  it will last. 

Sadly, Racestorations in England makes a billet aluminum water pump for tha=
t other brand.  Not for us.

 On Behalf Of Robert's New iPad
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 8:01 AM

     One imagines, seemingly foolishly, that the low production costs in a =
certain eastern nation would be so low that additional quality could be bui=
lt included at an acceptable selling price.

Bob

[email-masked]> > wrote:

Not to sure if I would complain about the price if I received a quality not=
 have ing to return it 3 times to get a good one!!!  Part.    Why can=E2=80=
=99t we just get good part.  

Paul

Paul Osborne
University of Rochester 
201 Hopeman Building RC
Rochester NY 14627

   585-275-5226

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Dan D

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 wonder who this Flying Dutchman is! <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNo=
rmal><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Not me!<o:p></=
o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-fareast=
-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lan=
g=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Cheers, <o:p></o:p></span></=
p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-=
US'>Hans - mostly on wired wheels =3D 71 BGT, his race bike or one of his t=
hree seventies Puch mopeds<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.=
0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>Van:</b> Mgs &lt;mgs-bounces@autox=
=2Eteam.net&gt; <b>Namens </b>dave<br><b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 24 juni 2=
021 15:24<br><b>Aan:</b> 'mglist' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Onderwer=
p:</b> Re: [Mgs] [EXT] Water Pump<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>Accordin=
g to The Flying Dutchman, self styled water pump expert, the water pumps th=
ese days are crap.&nbsp; If you want real quality, have him rebuild one for=
 you.&nbsp; it will last. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3D=
EN-US><a href=3D"http://water-pump-rebuilders.com/">http://water-pump-rebui=
lders.com/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US=
><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>Sadly,=
 Racestorations in England makes a billet aluminum water pump for that othe=
r brand.&nbsp; Not for us.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;bor=
der-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal=
><b><span lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> Mgs &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <=
b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert's New iPad<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 24, 202=
1 8:01 AM<br><b>To:</b> Osborne, Paul &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
ter.edu">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> mglist &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> R=
e: [Mgs] [EXT] Water Pump<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNo=
rmal><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al><span lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;One imagines, seemingly foolishly=
, that the low production costs in a certain eastern nation would be so low=
 that additional quality could be built included at an acceptable selling p=
rice.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-=
US>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;One is so often disappointed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><=
/div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>Bob<o:p></o:p></span></p>=
</div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><spa=
n lang=3DEN-US><br>On Jun 24, 2021, at 8:52 AM, Osborne, Paul &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:=
p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-botto=
m:5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>Not to sure if I woul=
d complain about the price if I received a quality not have ing to return i=
t 3 times to get a good one!!! &nbsp;Part. &nbsp; &nbsp;Why can=E2=80=99t w=
e just get good part.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal=
><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNo=
rmal><span lang=3DEN-US>Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMso=
Normal><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=
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kquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;orphans: 2;widows: 2'>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-US>Paul=
 Osborne<br>Department of Electrical and&nbsp;Computer Eng<br>University of=
 Rochester&nbsp;<br>201 Hopeman Building RC<br>Rochester NY 14627<o:p></o:p=
></span></p></blockquote><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp; &nb=
sp;585-275-5226<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span l=
ang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal sty=
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MsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>On Jun 24, 2021, at 7:27 AM, Dan DiBiase &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote=
:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&=
nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>Rig=
ht. And if they were we'd be b*tching about the price! <o:p></o:p></span></=
p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>=
</div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>Dan D<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>'76B, '65B<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>Central NJ US=
A<br clear=3Dall><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
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ass=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 3:51 AM PaulHunt=
73 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">paulhunt73@virginmedia=
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t:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>I would never expect it to be.&nbsp; =
How much stuff like this is made in England these days, or America for that=
 matter?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3D=
EN-US>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style=3D'border:none;bo=
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s=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>Just received my new water pump for my=
 1969 MGB GT from Moss.&nbsp; Made in England, NOT! <o:p></o:p></span></p><=
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    He is in USA, though we would like to think the Flying Dutchman is you.
    Years ago, I sailed a two-person dinghy named Flying Dutchman.  Nice boa=
ts, fast and fun.
Bob

> On Jun 28, 2021, at 2:51 PM, <[email-masked]> <[email-masked]=
l> wrote:
> Hans - mostly on wired wheels =3D 71 BGT, his race bike or one of his thre=
e seventies Puch mopeds
> According to The Flying Dutchman, self styled water pump expert, the water=
 pumps these days are crap.  If you want real quality, have him rebuild one f=
or you.  it will last.
> Sadly, Racestorations in England makes a billet aluminum water pump for th=
at other brand.  Not for us.
>      One imagines, seemingly foolishly, that the low production costs in a=

> On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 3:51 AM PaulHunt73 <[email-masked]> wr=
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> I would never expect it to be.  How much stuff like this is made in Englan=
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> Just received my new water pump for my 1969 MGB GT from Moss.  Made in Eng=
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nb=
sp; &nbsp; He is in USA, though we would like to think the Flying Dutchman i=
s you.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; &nbsp; Years ago, I sailed a two-person d=
inghy named Flying Dutchman. &nbsp;Nice boats, fast and fun.</div><div dir=3D=
"ltr">Bob</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jun 28, 20=
21, at 2:51 PM, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">h.duinhoven@pla=
net.nl</a>&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">h.duinhoven@plan=
et.nl</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
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oNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Now, I wo=
nder who this Flying Dutchman is! <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Not me!<o:p></o=
:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-farea=
st-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span l=
ang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Cheers, <o:p></o:p></span=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-langua=
ge:EN-US">Hans - mostly on wired wheels =3D 71 BGT, his race bike or one of h=
is three seventies Puch mopeds<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;paddi=
ng:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>Van:</b> Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>Nam=
ens </b>dave<br><b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 24 juni 2021 15:24<br><b>Aan:</b=
> 'mglist' &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&=
gt;<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] [EXT] Water Pump<o:p></o:p></p></div></di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span l=
ang=3D"EN-US">According to The Flying Dutchman, self styled water pump exper=
t, the water pumps these days are crap.&nbsp; If you want real quality, have=
 him rebuild one for you.&nbsp; it will last. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"http://water-pump-rebuilders.com/=
">http://water-pump-rebuilders.com/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Sadly, Racestorations in England makes a billet alu=
minum water pump for that other brand.&nbsp; Not for us.<o:p></o:p></span></=
p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><d=
iv><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0c=
m 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-US"> Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mg=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert's New iPad<br><b=
>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 24, 2021 8:01 AM<br><b>To:</b> Osborne, Paul &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><=
b>Cc:</b> mglist &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
t</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mgs] [EXT] Water Pump<o:p></o:p></span></p=
></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbs=
p;One imagines, seemingly foolishly, that the low production costs in a cert=
ain eastern nation would be so low that additional quality could be built in=
cluded at an acceptable selling price.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;One is so often d=
isappointed.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span la=
ng=3D"EN-US">Bob<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"M=
soNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><br>On Jun 24,=
 2021, at 8:52 AM, Osborne, Paul &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
u">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockqu=
ote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Not to sure if I would complain about the price if I=
 received a quality not have ing to return it 3 times to get a good one!!! &=
nbsp;Part. &nbsp; &nbsp;Why can=E2=80=99t we just get good part.&nbsp; <o:p>=
</o:p></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Pau=
l<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US=
"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D=
"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div><blockquote style=3D"margin-to=
p:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;orphans: 2;widows: 2"><p class=3D"MsoNormal" sty=
le=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Paul Osborne<br>Department o=
f Electrical and&nbsp;Computer Eng<br>University of Rochester&nbsp;<br>201 H=
opeman Building RC<br>Rochester NY 14627<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp; &nbsp;585-275-5226<o:p></o=
:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>=
&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bot=
tom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><blockquote sty=
le=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n lang=3D"EN-US">On Jun 24, 2021, at 7:27 AM, Dan DiBiase &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></=
span></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</span></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Right. And i=
f they were we'd be b*tching about the price! <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><d=
iv><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Dan D<o:p></o:p></span></p></=
div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">'76B, '65B<o:p></o:p></=
span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Central NJ U=
SA<br clear=3D"all"><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url=
?u=3Dhttp-3A__dandibiase.cbintouch.com_&amp;d=3DDwMFaQ&amp;c=3Dkbmfwr1Yojg42=
sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&amp;r=3Dj_uK0-rtrtcKZ8O0aGq-Y5ZUDfHjCD_Cv57WM=
n_czag&amp;m=3DIVPb0-fztlbFmyWsX0zuAnCpdK3_rxg9OD_QguY6CeQ&amp;s=3DrB7b6mXC1=
4LK5_ZVAHMbqbWFGF3hnm7nP3norZF7jEM&amp;e=3D" target=3D"_blank">http://dandib=
iase.cbintouch.com/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div></div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 3:51 AM=
 PaulHunt73 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">paulhunt73@vir=
ginmedia.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style=3D"=
border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin=
-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">I would never expect it to be.&=
nbsp; How much stuff like this is made in England these days, or America for=
 that matter?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span l=
ang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border:=
none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.7=
5pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
Arial&quot;,sans-serif">----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p><=
/div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Just received m=
y new water pump for my 1969 MGB GT from Moss.&nbsp; Made in England, NOT! <=
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From: Barrie Robinson <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 11:38:10 -0400

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I raced a home built VJ, Australia's two person dingy, for a season.  It 
was offered to me by the chap who built it, and subjected to the 
condition I took his daughter as second person.   She was a scorcher and 
I had no qualms having her as my partner.    The sails where made by the 
bloke's wife and were marginally better than wet toast. I was awarded a 
cup by the club for being last every race. The daughter and  I became 
firm friends and I visited her many times when she went to the Sadlers 
Wells Ballet School UK - she was a ballerina....... Not a "Flying 
Dutchman" but an "Iona".   Oh, for submission endorsement...I was 
driving an MG TD in those days!

Barrie

On 6/28/2021 6:20 PM, Robert's New iPad wrote:
>     Years ago, I sailed a two-person dinghy named Flying Dutchman. 
>  Nice boats, fast and fun.
> Bob
>
>
> On Jun 28, 2021, at 2:51 PM, <[email-masked] 
>
>> Hans - mostly on wired wheels = 71 BGT, his race bike or one of his 
>> three seventies Puch mopeds
>>
>> *Van:* Mgs <[email-masked] 
>> *Verzonden:* donderdag 24 juni 2021 15:24
>> *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] [EXT] Water Pump
>>
>> According to The Flying Dutchman, self styled water pump expert, the 
>> water pumps these days are crap.  If you want real quality, have him 
>> rebuild one for you.  it will last.
>>
>> http://water-pump-rebuilders.com/ <http://water-pump-rebuilders.com/>
>>
>> Sadly, Racestorations in England makes a billet aluminum water pump 
>> for that other brand.  Not for us.
>>
>> *From:*Mgs <[email-masked] 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 24, 2021 8:01 AM
>> *To:* Osborne, Paul <[email-masked] 
>> *Subject:* Re: [Mgs] [EXT] Water Pump
>>
>>      One imagines, seemingly foolishly, that the low production costs 
>> in a certain eastern nation would be so low that additional quality 
>> On Jun 24, 2021, at 8:52 AM, Osborne, Paul <[email-masked] 
>>
>>     Not to sure if I would complain about the price if I received a
>>     quality not have ing to return it 3 times to get a good one!!!
>>      Part.    Why can’t we just get good part.
>>
>>     Paul
>>
>>         Paul Osborne
>>         On Jun 24, 2021, at 7:27 AM, Dan DiBiase
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>>         On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 3:51 AM PaulHunt73
>>         <[email-masked]
>>
>>             I would never expect it to be.  How much stuff like this
>>             is made in England these days, or America for that matter?
>>
>>                 Just received my new water pump for my 1969 MGB GT
>>                 from Moss.  Made in England, NOT!
>>
>>                 Mike MacLean
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    <font size="-1"><font face="Arial">I raced a home built VJ,
        Australia's two person dingy, for a season.  It was offered to
        me by the chap who built it, and subjected to the condition I
        took his daughter as second person.   She was a scorcher and I
        had no qualms having her as my partner.    The sails where made
        by the bloke's wife and were marginally better than wet toast.  
        I was awarded a cup by the club for being last every race. The
        daughter and  I became firm friends and I visited her many times
        when she went to the Sadlers Wells Ballet School UK - she was a
        ballerina....... Not a "Flying Dutchman" but an "Iona".   Oh,
        for submission endorsement...I was driving an MG TD in those
        days!<br>
        <br>
        Barrie<br>
      </font></font><br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/28/2021 6:20 PM, Robert's New iPad
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
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      cite="mid:[email-masked]">
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      <div dir="ltr">    He is in USA, though we would like to think the
        Flying Dutchman is you.</div>
      <div dir="ltr">    Years ago, I sailed a two-person dinghy named
        Flying Dutchman.  Nice boats, fast and fun.</div>
      <div dir="ltr">Bob</div>
      <div dir="ltr"><br>
      </div>
      <div dir="ltr"><br>
        On Jun 28, 2021, at 2:51 PM, &lt;<a
          href="mailto:[email-masked]" moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
        &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]"
          moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
        <br>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-GB">Now, I
                wonder who this Flying Dutchman is! <o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-GB">Not me!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-GB">Cheers,
                <o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-GB">Hans -
                mostly on wired wheels = 71 BGT, his race bike or one of
                his three seventies Puch mopeds<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Van:</b> Mgs &lt;<a
                    href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                  <b>Namens </b>dave<br>
                  <b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 24 juni 2021 15:24<br>
                  <b>Aan:</b> 'mglist' &lt;<a
                    href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
                  <b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] [EXT] Water Pump<o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">According to The
                Flying Dutchman, self styled water pump expert, the
                water pumps these days are crap.  If you want real
                quality, have him rebuild one for you.  it will last. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><a
                  href="http://water-pump-rebuilders.com/"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">http://water-pump-rebuilders.com/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Sadly,
                Racestorations in England makes a billet aluminum water
                pump for that other brand.  Not for us.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                    lang="EN-US"> Mgs &lt;<a
                      href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                    <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert's New iPad<br>
                    <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 24, 2021 8:01 AM<br>
                    <b>To:</b> Osborne, Paul &lt;<a
                      href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
                    <b>Cc:</b> mglist &lt;<a
                      href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
                    <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mgs] [EXT] Water Pump<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            </div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">     One imagines,
                  seemingly foolishly, that the low production costs in
                  a certain eastern nation would be so low that
                  additional quality could be built included at an
                  acceptable selling price.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">     One is so
                  often disappointed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Bob<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            </div>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
            </div>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
            </div>
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                  lang="EN-US"><br>
                  On Jun 24, 2021, at 8:52 AM, Osborne, Paul &lt;<a
                    href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                  wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Not to sure if I
                    would complain about the price if I received a
                    quality not have ing to return it 3 times to get a
                    good one!!!  Part.    Why can’t we just get good
                    part.  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
                </div>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                </div>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
                </div>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                          style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                            lang="EN-US">Paul Osborne<br>
                            Department of Electrical and Computer Eng<br>
                            University of Rochester <br>
                            201 Hopeman Building RC<br>
                            Rochester NY 14627<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      </blockquote>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> 
                           585-275-5226<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
                    </div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                        lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On Jun
                            24, 2021, at 7:27 AM, Dan DiBiase &lt;<a
                              href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                              moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                            wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Right.
                              And if they were we'd be b*tching about
                              the price! <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Dan
                                D<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          </div>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">'76B,
                                '65B<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Central
                                NJ USA<br clear="all">
                                <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On
                                Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 3:51 AM PaulHunt73
                                &lt;<a
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                                wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I
                                    would never expect it to be.  How
                                    much stuff like this is made in
                                    England these days, or America for
                                    that matter?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                      lang="EN-US">Just received my new
                                      water pump for my 1969 MGB GT from
                                      Moss.  Made in England, NOT! <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                        lang="EN-US">Mike MacLean<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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If we are talking racing dinghies, I once came 6th in the US Fireball
national championships.

Simon
P.S. There were 7 boats in the competition.

On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 8:39 AM Barrie Robinson <[email-masked]> wrote:

> was offered to me by the chap who built it, and subjected to the conditio=
n
> I took his daughter as second person.   She was a scorcher and I had no
> qualms having her as my partner.    The sails where made by the bloke's
> wife and were marginally better than wet toast.   I was awarded a cup by
> the club for being last every race. The daughter and  I became firm frien=
ds
> and I visited her many times when she went to the Sadlers Wells Ballet
> School UK - she was a ballerina....... Not a "Flying Dutchman" but an
> "Iona".   Oh, for submission endorsement...I was driving an MG TD in thos=
e
> days!
>     He is in USA, though we would like to think the Flying Dutchman is yo=
u.
>     Years ago, I sailed a two-person dinghy named Flying Dutchman.  Nice
> boats, fast and fun.
> Bob
>
>
> On Jun 28, 2021, at 2:51 PM, <[email-masked]> <
> [email-masked]> wrote:
>
> Hans - mostly on wired wheels =3D 71 BGT, his race bike or one of his thr=
ee
> seventies Puch mopeds
>
>
>
> *Van:* Mgs <[email-masked]> *Namens *dave
> *Aan:* 'mglist' <[email-masked]>
> According to The Flying Dutchman, self styled water pump expert, the wate=
r
> pumps these days are crap.  If you want real quality, have him rebuild on=
e
> Sadly, Racestorations in England makes a billet aluminum water pump for
> *From:* Mgs <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *Robert's New iPad
> *To:* Osborne, Paul <[email-masked]>
> *Cc:* mglist <[email-masked]>
a
> certain eastern nation would be so low that additional quality could be
> built included at an acceptable selling price.
>
> On Jun 24, 2021, at 8:52 AM, Osborne, Paul <[email-masked]> wrote=
:
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>If we are talking racing dinghies, I once came 6th in=
 the US Fireball national championships. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Simo=
n</div><div>P.S. There were 7 boats in the competition. <br></div></div><br=
><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, J=
un 29, 2021 at 8:39 AM Barrie Robinson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
t">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);=
padding-left:1ex">
 =20
   =20
 =20
  <div>
    <font size=3D"-1"><font face=3D"Arial">I raced a home built VJ,
        Australia&#39;s two person dingy, for a season.=C2=A0 It was offere=
d to
        me by the chap who built it, and subjected to the condition I
        took his daughter as second person. =C2=A0 She was a scorcher and I
        had no qualms having her as my partner. =C2=A0=C2=A0 The sails wher=
e made
        by the bloke&#39;s wife and were marginally better than wet toast. =
=C2=A0
        I was awarded a cup by the club for being last every race. The
        daughter and=C2=A0 I became firm friends and I visited her many tim=
es
        when she went to the Sadlers Wells Ballet School UK - she was a
        ballerina....... Not a &quot;Flying Dutchman&quot; but an &quot;Ion=
a&quot;.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Oh,
        for submission endorsement...I was driving an MG TD in those
        days!<br>
        <br>
        Barrie<br>
      </font></font><br>
    <div>On 6/28/2021 6:20 PM, Robert&#39;s New iPad
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
     =20
      <div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 He is in USA, though we would like to =
think the
        Flying Dutchman is you.</div>
      <div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Years ago, I sailed a two-person dingh=
y named
        Flying Dutchman.=C2=A0 Nice boats, fast and fun.</div>
      <div dir=3D"ltr">Bob</div>
      <div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
      </div>
      <div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
        On Jun 28, 2021, at 2:51 PM, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:h.duinhoven@plan=
et.nl" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
        &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">h.du=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
        <br>
      </div>
      <blockquote type=3D"cite">
        <div dir=3D"ltr">
         =20
         =20
         =20
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Now, I
                wonder who this Flying Dutchman is! <u></u><u></u></span></=
p>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Not me!<u></u><u></=
u></span></p>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u=
></span></p>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Cheers,
                <u></u><u></u></span></p>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Hans -
                mostly on wired wheels =3D 71 BGT, his race bike or one of
                his three seventies Puch mopeds<u></u><u></u></span></p>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u=
></span></p>
            <div>
              <div style=3D"border-color:rgb(225,225,225) currentcolor curr=
entcolor;border-style:solid none none;border-width:1pt medium medium;paddin=
g:3pt 0cm 0cm">
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>Van:</b> Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]<=
/a>&gt;
                  <b>Namens </b>dave<br>
                  <b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 24 juni 2021 15:24<br>
                  <b>Aan:</b> &#39;mglist&#39; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@au=
tox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
                  <b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] [EXT] Water Pump<u></u><u></u=
></p>
              </div>
            </div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">According to The
                Flying Dutchman, self styled water pump expert, the
                water pumps these days are crap.=C2=A0 If you want real
                quality, have him rebuild one for you.=C2=A0 it will last. =
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u=
></span></p>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"http://w=
ater-pump-rebuilders.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://water-pump-rebuilders.c=
om/</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u=
></span></p>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Sadly,
                Racestorations in England makes a billet aluminum water
                pump for that other brand.=C2=A0 Not for us.<u></u><u></u><=
/span></p>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u=
></span></p>
            <div>
              <div style=3D"border-color:rgb(225,225,225) currentcolor curr=
entcolor;border-style:solid none none;border-width:1pt medium medium;paddin=
g:3pt 0cm 0cm">
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span>=
</b><span lang=3D"EN-US"> Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked].=
net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                    <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert&#39;s New iPad<br>
                    <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 24, 2021 8:01 AM<br>
                    <b>To:</b> Osborne, Paul &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:paul@ece=
.rochester.edu" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
                    <b>Cc:</b> mglist &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked].=
net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
                    <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mgs] [EXT] Water Pump<u></u><u></u=
></span></p>
              </div>
            </div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u=
></span></p>
            <div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0One imagines,
                  seemingly foolishly, that the low production costs in
                  a certain eastern nation would be so low that
                  additional quality could be built included at an
                  acceptable selling price.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0One is so
                  often disappointed.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Bob<u></u><u></u>=
</span></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u><=
/u></span></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u><=
/u></span></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><span lan=
g=3D"EN-US"><br>
                  On Jun 24, 2021, at 8:52 AM, Osborne, Paul &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a=
>&gt;
                  wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
            </div>
            <blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
              <div>
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Not to sure if =
I
                    would complain about the price if I received a
                    quality not have ing to return it 3 times to get a
                    good one!!!=C2=A0 Part. =C2=A0 =C2=A0Why can=E2=80=99t =
we just get good
                    part.=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></span></p>
                <div>
                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0=
<u></u></span></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Paul<u></u><u=
></u></span></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0=
<u></u></span></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0=
<u></u></span></p>
                  <div>
                    <div>
                      <blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt=
">
                        <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"=
><span lang=3D"EN-US">Paul Osborne<br>
                            Department of Electrical and=C2=A0Computer Eng<=
br>
                            University of Rochester=C2=A0<br>
                            201 Hopeman Building RC<br>
                            Rochester NY 14627<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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                                    would never expect it to be.=C2=A0 How
                                    much stuff like this is made in
                                    England these days, or America for
                                    that matter?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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                                      water pump for my 1969 MGB GT from
                                      Moss.=C2=A0 Made in England, NOT! <u>=
</u><u></u></span></p>
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   Fireballs are hot boats, fun to sail.  I tried, but failed, to get a clas=
s established in CT. =20
   When I taught sailing, back then, my encouragement to the non-winners was=
 that the race winners rarely learned much, but that those behind had many e=
xamples of better sailing.
   Mandatory MG content:  My TD towed a Penguin dinghy on a trailer for shor=
t distances, and an MGB towed a Laser dinghy many miles.=20
   I had to look up the VJ dinghy.   Aussies sail harder than we do. That is=
 a fast boat, large sail plan, looks to be a hoot.
Bob

> On Jun 30, 2021, at 12:32 AM, Simon Matthews <[email-masked]> w=
rote:
>=20
> If we are talking racing dinghies, I once came 6th in the US Fireball nati=
onal championships.=20
>=20
> Simon
> P.S. There were 7 boats in the competition.=20
>=20
>> I raced a home built VJ, Australia's two person dingy, for a season.  It w=
as offered to me by the chap who built it, and subjected to the condition I t=
ook his daughter as second person.   She was a scorcher and I had no qualms h=
aving her as my partner.    The sails where made by the bloke's wife and wer=
e marginally better than wet toast.   I was awarded a cup by the club for be=
ing last every race. The daughter and  I became firm friends and I visited h=
er many times when she went to the Sadlers Wells Ballet School UK - she was a=
 ballerina....... Not a "Flying Dutchman" but an "Iona".   Oh, for submissio=
n endorsement...I was driving an MG TD in those days!
>>>     He is in USA, though we would like to think the Flying Dutchman is y=
ou.
>>>     Years ago, I sailed a two-person dinghy named Flying Dutchman.  Nice=
 boats, fast and fun.
>>> Bob
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> On Jun 28, 2021, at 2:51 PM, <[email-masked]> <h.duinhoven@planet=
.nl> wrote:
>>>> Hans - mostly on wired wheels =3D 71 BGT, his race bike or one of his t=
hree seventies Puch mopeds
>>>> According to The Flying Dutchman, self styled water pump expert, the wa=
ter pumps these days are crap.  If you want real quality, have him rebuild o=
ne for you.  it will last.
>>>> Sadly, Racestorations in England makes a billet aluminum water pump for=
>>>>      One imagines, seemingly foolishly, that the low production costs i=
n a certain eastern nation would be so low that additional quality could be b=
uilt included at an acceptable selling price.
>>>> On Jun 24, 2021, at 8:52 AM, Osborne, Paul <[email-masked]> wro=
te:
>>>>=20
>>>> Not to sure if I would complain about the price if I received a quality=
 not have ing to return it 3 times to get a good one!!!  Part.    Why can=E2=
=80=99t we just get good part.=20
>>>> On Jun 24, 2021, at 7:27 AM, Dan DiBiase <[email-masked]> wrote:=

>>>> On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 3:51 AM PaulHunt73 <[email-masked]>=
 wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>> I would never expect it to be.  How much stuff like this is made in Eng=
land these days, or America for that matter?
ngland, NOT!
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nb=
sp; &nbsp;Fireballs are hot boats, fun to sail. &nbsp;I tried, but failed, t=
o get a class established in CT. &nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; &nbsp;W=
hen I taught sailing, back then, my encouragement to the non-winners was tha=
t the race winners rarely learned much, but that those behind had many examp=
les of better sailing.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; &nbsp;Mandatory MG conte=
nt: &nbsp;My TD towed a Penguin dinghy on a trailer for short distances, and=
 an MGB towed a Laser dinghy many miles.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; &=
nbsp;I had to look up the VJ dinghy. &nbsp; Aussies sail harder than we do. T=
hat is a fast boat, large sail plan, looks to be a hoot.</div><div dir=3D"lt=
r">Bob</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jun 30, 2021, at 12:32 AM, Simon Matthew=
s &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
om</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr"><div>If we are talking racing dinghies, I once came 6th in th=
e US Fireball national championships. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Simon</d=
iv><div>P.S. There were 7 boats in the competition. <br></div></div><br><div=
 class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 29,=
 2021 at 8:39 AM Barrie Robinson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">barr=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-lef=
t:1ex">
 =20
   =20
 =20
  <div>
    <font size=3D"-1"><font face=3D"Arial">I raced a home built VJ,
        Australia's two person dingy, for a season.&nbsp; It was offered to
        me by the chap who built it, and subjected to the condition I
        took his daughter as second person. &nbsp; She was a scorcher and I
        had no qualms having her as my partner. &nbsp;&nbsp; The sails where=
 made
        by the bloke's wife and were marginally better than wet toast. &nbsp=
;
        I was awarded a cup by the club for being last every race. The
        daughter and&nbsp; I became firm friends and I visited her many time=
s
        when she went to the Sadlers Wells Ballet School UK - she was a
        ballerina....... Not a "Flying Dutchman" but an "Iona".&nbsp;&nbsp; O=
h,
        for submission endorsement...I was driving an MG TD in those
        days!<br>
        <br>
        Barrie<br>
      </font></font><br>
    <div>On 6/28/2021 6:20 PM, Robert's New iPad
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
     =20
      <div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; &nbsp; He is in USA, though we would like to t=
hink the
        Flying Dutchman is you.</div>
      <div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; &nbsp; Years ago, I sailed a two-person dinghy=
 named
        Flying Dutchman.&nbsp; Nice boats, fast and fun.</div>
      <div dir=3D"ltr">Bob</div>
      <div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
      </div>
      <div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
        On Jun 28, 2021, at 2:51 PM, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:h.duinhoven@plane=
t.nl" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
        &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">h.dui=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
        <br>
      </div>
      <blockquote type=3D"cite">
        <div dir=3D"ltr">
         =20
         =20
         =20
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Now, I
                wonder who this Flying Dutchman is! <u></u><u></u></span></p=
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Not me!<u></u><u></u=
></span></p>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u>=
</span></p>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Cheers,
                <u></u><u></u></span></p>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Hans -
                mostly on wired wheels =3D 71 BGT, his race bike or one of
                his three seventies Puch mopeds<u></u><u></u></span></p>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u>=
</span></p>
            <div>
              <div style=3D"border-color:rgb(225,225,225) currentcolor curre=
ntcolor;border-style:solid none none;border-width:1pt medium medium;padding:=
3pt 0cm 0cm">
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>Van:</b> Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a=
                  <b>Namens </b>dave<br>
                  <b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 24 juni 2021 15:24<br>
                  <b>Aan:</b> 'mglist' &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked].=
net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
                  <b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] [EXT] Water Pump<u></u><u></u>=
</p>
              </div>
            </div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">According to The
                Flying Dutchman, self styled water pump expert, the
                water pumps these days are crap.&nbsp; If you want real
                quality, have him rebuild one for you.&nbsp; it will last. <=
u></u><u></u></span></p>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u>=
</span></p>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"http://wa=
ter-pump-rebuilders.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://water-pump-rebuilders.com=
/</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u>=
</span></p>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Sadly,
                Racestorations in England makes a billet aluminum water
                pump for that other brand.&nbsp; Not for us.<u></u><u></u></=
span></p>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u>=
</span></p>
            <div>
              <div style=3D"border-color:rgb(225,225,225) currentcolor curre=
ntcolor;border-style:solid none none;border-width:1pt medium medium;padding:=
3pt 0cm 0cm">
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span><=
/b><span lang=3D"EN-US"> Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
t" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                    <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert's New iPad<br>
                    <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 24, 2021 8:01 AM<br>
                    <b>To:</b> Osborne, Paul &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:paul@ece.=
rochester.edu" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
                    <b>Cc:</b> mglist &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
et" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
                    <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mgs] [EXT] Water Pump<u></u><u></u>=
</span></p>
              </div>
            </div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u>=
</span></p>
            <div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbs=
p;One imagines,
                  seemingly foolishly, that the low production costs in
                  a certain eastern nation would be so low that
                  additional quality could be built included at an
                  acceptable selling price.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbs=
p;One is so
                  often disappointed.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Bob<u></u><u></u><=
/span></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></=
u></span></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></=
u></span></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"><br>
                  On Jun 24, 2021, at 8:52 AM, Osborne, Paul &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&=
gt;
                  wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
            </div>
            <blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
              <div>
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Not to sure if I=

                    would complain about the price if I received a
                    quality not have ing to return it 3 times to get a
                    good one!!!&nbsp; Part. &nbsp; &nbsp;Why can=E2=80=99t w=
e just get good
                    part.&nbsp; <u></u><u></u></span></p>
                <div>
                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>&nbsp;<=
u></u></span></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Paul<u></u><u>=
</u></span></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>&nbsp;<=
u></u></span></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>&nbsp;<=
u></u></span></p>
                  <div>
                    <div>
                      <blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"=
                        <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">=
<span lang=3D"EN-US">Paul Osborne<br>
                            Department of Electrical and&nbsp;Computer Eng<b=
r>
                            University of Rochester&nbsp;<br>
                            201 Hopeman Building RC<br>
                            Rochester NY 14627<u></u><u></u></span></p>
                      </blockquote>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;
                          &nbsp;585-275-5226<u></u><u></u></span></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>&nb=
sp;<u></u></span></p>
                    </div>
                    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>&nbsp=
;<u></u></span></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><spa=
n lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p>
                    <blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
                      <div>
                        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">On Jun
                            24, 2021, at 7:27 AM, Dan DiBiase &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&g=
t;
                            wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
                      </div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>&nb=
sp;<u></u></span></p>
                      <div>
                        <div>
                          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Right.=

                              And if they were we'd be b*tching about
                              the price! <u></u><u></u></span></p>
                          <div>
                            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u><=
/u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Dan
                                D<u></u><u></u></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">'76B=
,
                                '65B<u></u><u></u></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Cent=
ral
                                NJ USA<br clear=3D"all">
                                <u></u><u></u></span></p>
                            <div>
                              <div>
                                <div>
                                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US=
"><a href=3D"https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttp-3A__dandibias=
e.cbintouch.com_&amp;d=3DDwMFaQ&amp;c=3Dkbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaq=
QZhHbOU&amp;r=3Dj_uK0-rtrtcKZ8O0aGq-Y5ZUDfHjCD_Cv57WMn_czag&amp;m=3DIVPb0-fz=
tlbFmyWsX0zuAnCpdK3_rxg9OD_QguY6CeQ&amp;s=3DrB7b6mXC14LK5_ZVAHMbqbWFGF3hnm7n=
P3norZF7jEM&amp;e=3D" target=3D"_blank">http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a>=
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
                                </div>
                              </div>
                            </div>
                            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u><=
/u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>&=
nbsp;<u></u></span></p>
                        <div>
                          <div>
                            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">On
                                Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 3:51 AM PaulHunt73
                                &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:paulhunt73@virginmedia=
.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                                wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <blockquote style=3D"border-color:currentcolor cur=
rentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204);border-style:none none none solid;bo=
rder-width:medium medium medium 1pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5=
pt 4.8pt">
                            <div>
                              <div>
                                <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=
I
                                    would never expect it to be.&nbsp; How
                                    much stuff like this is made in
                                    England these days, or America for
                                    that matter?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=
&nbsp;<u></u><u></u></span></p>
                              </div>
                              <blockquote style=3D"border-color:currentcolor=
 currentcolor currentcolor black;border-style:none none none solid;border-wi=
dth:medium medium medium 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5pt 3.=
75pt">
                                <div>
                                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font=
-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-US">----- Or=
iginal
                                      Message ----- <u></u><u></u></span></p=
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US=
"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US=
">Just received my new
                                      water pump for my 1969 MGB GT from
                                      Moss.&nbsp; Made in England, NOT! <u><=
/u><u></u></span></p>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-=
US">Mike MacLean<u></u><u></u></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US=
"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p>
                                </div>
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Hello folks,

I used to race an Australian Sydney Habour Skiff - now there's a boat to 
stress you out !!!   No stays to hold the mast up!   So drop in wind 
could be wildly exciting to say nothing of waves washing over the 
gunnels.  With a crew of 5 one was doing nothing else but bailing.

Cheers
Barrie

On 6/30/2021 7:13 AM, Robert's New iPad wrote:
>    Fireballs are hot boats, fun to sail.  I tried, but failed, to get 
> a class established in CT.
>    When I taught sailing, back then, my encouragement to the 
> non-winners was that the race winners rarely learned much, but that 
> those behind had many examples of better sailing.
>    Mandatory MG content:  My TD towed a Penguin dinghy on a trailer 
> for short distances, and an MGB towed a Laser dinghy many miles.
>    I had to look up the VJ dinghy.   Aussies sail harder than we do. 
> That is a fast boat, large sail plan, looks to be a hoot.
> Bob
>
> On Jun 30, 2021, at 12:32 AM, Simon Matthews 
>
>> On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 8:39 AM Barrie Robinson <[email-masked] 
>>
>>     I raced a home built VJ, Australia's two person dingy, for a
>>     season.  It was offered to me by the chap who built it, and
>>     subjected to the condition I took his daughter as second person.
>>       She was a scorcher and I had no qualms having her as my
>>     partner.    The sails where made by the bloke's wife and were
>>     marginally better than wet toast.   I was awarded a cup by the
>>     club for being last every race. The daughter and  I became firm
>>     friends and I visited her many times when she went to the Sadlers
>>>         Years ago, I sailed a two-person dinghy named Flying
>>>     Dutchman.  Nice boats, fast and fun.
>>>     Bob
>>>
>>>
>>>>     Hans - mostly on wired wheels = 71 BGT, his race bike or one of
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>>>>
>>>>     According to The Flying Dutchman, self styled water pump
>>>>     expert, the water pumps these days are crap.  If you want real
>>>>     quality, have him rebuild one for you.  it will last.
>>>>
>>>>     <http://water-pump-rebuilders.com/>
>>>>
>>>>     Sadly, Racestorations in England makes a billet aluminum water
>>>>     pump for that other brand. Not for us.
>>>>
>>>>     New iPad
>>>>      One imagines, seemingly foolishly, that the low production
>>>>     costs in a certain eastern nation would be so low that
>>>>     additional quality could be built included at an acceptable
>>>>     selling price.
>>>>
>>>>     On Jun 24, 2021, at 8:52 AM, Osborne, Paul
>>>>
>>>>         Not to sure if I would complain about the price if I
>>>>         received a quality not have ing to return it 3 times to get
>>>>         a good one!!!  Part.    Why can’t we just get good part.
>>>>
>>>>         Paul
>>>>
>>>>             Paul Osborne
>>>>                 I would never expect it to be. How much stuff like
>>>>                 this is made in England these days, or America for
>>>>                 that matter?
>>>>
>>>>                     Just received my new water pump for my 1969 MGB
>>>>                     GT from Moss.  Made in England, NOT!
>>>>
>>>>                     Mike MacLean
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    <font size="-1"><font face="Arial">Hello folks,<br>
        <br>
        I used to race an Australian Sydney Habour Skiff - now there's a
        boat to stress you out !!!   No stays to hold the mast up!   So
        drop in wind could be wildly exciting to say nothing of waves
        washing over the gunnels.  With a crew of 5 one was doing
        nothing else but bailing.<br>
        <br>
        Cheers<br>
        Barrie<br>
      </font></font><br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/30/2021 7:13 AM, Robert's New iPad
      wrote:<br>
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    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:[email-masked]">
      <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
      <div dir="ltr">   Fireballs are hot boats, fun to sail.  I tried,
        but failed, to get a class established in CT.  </div>
      <div dir="ltr">   When I taught sailing, back then, my
        encouragement to the non-winners was that the race winners
        rarely learned much, but that those behind had many examples of
        better sailing.</div>
      <div dir="ltr">   Mandatory MG content:  My TD towed a Penguin
        dinghy on a trailer for short distances, and an MGB towed a
        Laser dinghy many miles. </div>
      <div dir="ltr">   I had to look up the VJ dinghy.   Aussies sail
        harder than we do. That is a fast boat, large sail plan, looks
        to be a hoot.</div>
      <div dir="ltr">Bob</div>
      <div dir="ltr"><br>
        On Jun 30, 2021, at 12:32 AM, Simon Matthews &lt;<a
          href="mailto:[email-masked]"
          moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
        wrote:<br>
        <br>
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      <blockquote type="cite">
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            <div>If we are talking racing dinghies, I once came 6th in
              the US Fireball national championships. <br>
            </div>
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            <div>Simon</div>
            <div>P.S. There were 7 boats in the competition. <br>
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            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at
              8:39 AM Barrie Robinson &lt;<a
                href="mailto:[email-masked]" moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
              wrote:<br>
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              0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
              rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
              <div> <font size="-1"><font face="Arial">I raced a home
                    built VJ, Australia's two person dingy, for a
                    season.  It was offered to me by the chap who built
                    it, and subjected to the condition I took his
                    daughter as second person.   She was a scorcher and
                    I had no qualms having her as my partner.    The
                    sails where made by the bloke's wife and were
                    marginally better than wet toast.   I was awarded a
                    cup by the club for being last every race. The
                    daughter and  I became firm friends and I visited
                    her many times when she went to the Sadlers Wells
                    Ballet School UK - she was a ballerina....... Not a
                    "Flying Dutchman" but an "Iona".   Oh, for
                    submission endorsement...I was driving an MG TD in
                    those days!<br>
                    <br>
                    Barrie<br>
                  </font></font><br>
                <div>On 6/28/2021 6:20 PM, Robert's New iPad wrote:<br>
                </div>
                <blockquote type="cite">
                  <div dir="ltr">    He is in USA, though we would like
                    to think the Flying Dutchman is you.</div>
                  <div dir="ltr">    Years ago, I sailed a two-person
                    dinghy named Flying Dutchman.  Nice boats, fast and
                    fun.</div>
                  <div dir="ltr">Bob</div>
                  <div dir="ltr"><br>
                  </div>
                  <div dir="ltr"><br>
                    On Jun 28, 2021, at 2:51 PM, &lt;<a
                      href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                    &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]"
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                    <br>
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                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Now, I
                            wonder who this Flying Dutchman is! </span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Not me!</span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Cheers,
                          </span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Hans -
                            mostly on wired wheels = 71 BGT, his race
                            bike or one of his three seventies Puch
                            mopeds</span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Van:</b> Mgs &lt;<a
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                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                              <b>Namens </b>dave<br>
                              <b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 24 juni 2021
                              15:24<br>
                              <b>Aan:</b> 'mglist' &lt;<a
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                              <b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] [EXT] Water
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">According
                            to The Flying Dutchman, self styled water
                            pump expert, the water pumps these days are
                            crap.  If you want real quality, have him
                            rebuild one for you.  it will last. </span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Sadly,
                            Racestorations in England makes a billet
                            aluminum water pump for that other brand. 
                            Not for us.</span></p>
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                                lang="EN-US"> Mgs &lt;<a
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                                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert's New iPad<br>
                                <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 24, 2021
                                8:01 AM<br>
                                <b>To:</b> Osborne, Paul &lt;<a
                                  href="mailto:[email-masked]"
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                                <b>Cc:</b> mglist &lt;<a
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                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
                                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mgs] [EXT] Water
                                Pump</span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">   
                               One imagines, seemingly foolishly, that
                              the low production costs in a certain
                              eastern nation would be so low that
                              additional quality could be built included
                              at an acceptable selling price.</span></p>
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                               One is so often disappointed.</span></p>
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                              On Jun 24, 2021, at 8:52 AM, Osborne, Paul
                              &lt;<a
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Not
                                to sure if I would complain about the
                                price if I received a quality not have
                                ing to return it 3 times to get a good
                                one!!!  Part.    Why can’t we just get
                                good part.  </span></p>
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                                        lang="EN-US">Paul Osborne<br>
                                        Department of Electrical
                                        and Computer Eng<br>
                                        University of Rochester <br>
                                        201 Hopeman Building RC<br>
                                        Rochester NY 14627</span></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                          lang="EN-US">Right. And if
                                          they were we'd be b*tching
                                          about the price! </span></p>
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                                              clear="all">
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                                            lang="EN-US">On Thu, Jun 24,
                                            2021 at 3:51 AM PaulHunt73
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                                                never expect it to be. 
                                                How much stuff like this
                                                is made in England these
                                                days, or America for
                                                that matter?</span></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                  lang="EN-US">Just
                                                  received my new water
                                                  pump for my 1969 MGB
                                                  GT from Moss.  Made in
                                                  England, NOT! </span></p>
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For my mandatory MG content: I used to tow my boat (a Laser at the time,
but perhaps also the Fireball) behind an MG Metro.

Simon

On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 4:13 AM Robert's New iPad <[email-masked]> wrote:

>    Fireballs are hot boats, fun to sail.  I tried, but failed, to get a
> class established in CT.
>    When I taught sailing, back then, my encouragement to the non-winners
> was that the race winners rarely learned much, but that those behind had
> many examples of better sailing.
>    Mandatory MG content:  My TD towed a Penguin dinghy on a trailer for
> short distances, and an MGB towed a Laser dinghy many miles.
>    I had to look up the VJ dinghy.   Aussies sail harder than we do. That
> is a fast boat, large sail plan, looks to be a hoot.
> Bob
>
> On Jun 30, 2021, at 12:32 AM, Simon Matthews <[email-masked]>
> wrote:
>
>> was offered to me by the chap who built it, and subjected to the conditi=
on
>> the club for being last every race. The daughter and  I became firm frie=
nds
>> "Iona".   Oh, for submission endorsement...I was driving an MG TD in tho=
se
>> Hans - mostly on wired wheels =3D 71 BGT, his race bike or one of his th=
ree
>> *From:* Mgs <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *Robert's New iPa=
d
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>For my mandatory MG content: I used to tow my boat (a=
 Laser at the time, but perhaps also the Fireball) behind an MG Metro. <br>=
</div><div><br></div><div>Simon<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quot=
e"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 4:13 AM Ro=
bert&#39;s New iPad &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
m</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"=
><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0 =C2=A0Fir=
eballs are hot boats, fun to sail.=C2=A0 I tried, but failed, to get a clas=
s established in CT. =C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0 =C2=A0When I taugh=
t sailing, back then, my encouragement to the non-winners was that the race=
 winners rarely learned much, but that those behind had many examples of be=
tter sailing.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0 =C2=A0Mandatory MG content: =C2=
=A0My TD towed a Penguin dinghy on a trailer for short distances, and an MG=
B towed a Laser dinghy many miles.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0 =C2=
=A0I had to look up the VJ dinghy. =C2=A0 Aussies sail harder than we do. T=
hat is a fast boat, large sail plan, looks to be a hoot.</div><div dir=3D"l=
tr">Bob</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jun 30, 2021, at 12:32 AM, Simon Matth=
ews &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">sim=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cit=
e"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>If we are talking racing dinghies=
, I once came 6th in the US Fireball national championships. <br></div><div=
><br></div><div>Simon</div><div>P.S. There were 7 boats in the competition.=
 <br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"g=
mail_attr">On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 8:39 AM Barrie Robinson &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>=
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