Subject: Re: [Mgs] Ride height

From: "PaulHunt73" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 3 May 2021 11:42:18 +0100 7e+t+SYiJHkPoLkVGKwEV/wCSNReZt8l9vvGcJghdz0GTXln2olp1fc83bawrn0UAaGL+bB0qGWtPIExHzllNkkQoWfOF+EVgYU=

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Have a look at http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/suspensiontext.htm#height

CB is  typically around 14-14.5" from the centre of the wheel hub to the =
underside of the bright trim strip.

PaulH.
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  Is there info about the ride height of an MK2 1971 MGB GT?

  What distance is the centre of each wheel to the top of the wheel =
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Has,

I own an early 74 BGT chrome bumper, but have never seen any info on that. =
Be glad to measure it if you like.

Paul

Paul Osborne
Department of Electrical and Computer Eng
University of Rochester
201 Hopeman Building RC
Rochester NY 14627

   585-275-5226

.nl> wrote:

Is there info about the ride height of an MK2 1971 MGB GT?
What distance is the centre of each wheel to the top of the wheel arch?

TIA.

Cheers,
Hans

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<span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">Is there info about the ride height of an M=
K2 1971 MGB GT?<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div>
<div style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-seri=
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<span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">What distance is the centre of each wheel t=
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Yes please Paul.

If possible in centimetres, rather than inches.

Hans

Van: Mgs <[email-masked]> Namens Osborne, Paul
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Aan: [email-masked]
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Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] [EXT] Ride height

Has,  

I own an early 74 BGT chrome bumper, but have never seen any info on that.
Be glad to measure it if you like. 

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TIA.

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Paul.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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than inches.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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v style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>Van:</b> Mgs =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>Namens </b>Osborne, =
Paul<br><b>Verzonden:</b> maandag 3 mei 2021 12:55<br><b>Aan:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>CC:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] [EXT] Ride =
height<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
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<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
own an early 74 BGT chrome bumper, but have never seen any info on that. =
Be glad to measure it if you like.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Paul<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
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style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;orphans: 2;widows: 2'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Paul =
Osborne<br>Department of Electrical and&nbsp;Computer Eng<br>University =
of Rochester&nbsp;<br>201 Hopeman Building RC<br>Rochester NY =
14627<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp; =
&nbsp;585-275-5226<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
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class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>What distance is the centre of each =
wheel to the top of the wheel arch?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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class=3DMsoNormal>TIA.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
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Thanks Paul,

Do springs (leaf springs especially) tend to sag is decades?

Hans

Van: PaulHunt73 <[email-masked]> 
Verzonden: maandag 3 mei 2021 12:42
Aan: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Ride height

CB is  typically around 14-14.5" from the centre of the wheel hub to the
underside of the bright trim strip.

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MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>Do s=
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[email-masked]; [email-masked]<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Ride =
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     Yes, the springs do sag over time, the leaf springs more visibly saggin=
g than the front coils. =20
     Some years back, my GT=E2=80=99s rear springs were too sagged to tolera=
te. I bought new, from the large supplier in California.  The car was raised=
, not unlike the off-road cars one sees.  At a spring rebuild shop, one that=
 had not dealt with little car springs in years, the owner, who was a former=
 MGB owner, advised me to remove the bottom leaf, about four inches long, an=
d the second leaf, possibly 12-14 inches.  I did, but the rear was still up.=
  He then told me that front coils sag too. I installed new front springs an=
d finally got the ride height about right.
     This discussion causes me to think I should go measure all the corners a=
gain.  It has been many years and many miles.
Bob

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sp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Yes, the springs do sag over time, the leaf springs more vi=
sibly sagging than the front coils. &nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; &nbs=
p; &nbsp;Some years back, my GT=E2=80=99s rear springs were too sagged to to=
lerate. I bought new, from the large supplier in California. &nbsp;The car w=
as raised, not unlike the off-road cars one sees. &nbsp;At a spring rebuild s=
hop, one that had not dealt with little car springs in years, the owner, who=
 was a former MGB owner, advised me to remove the bottom leaf, about four in=
ches long, and the second leaf, possibly 12-14 inches. &nbsp;I did, but the r=
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oNormal">Thanks Paul,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Do springs (leaf springs esp=
ecially) tend to sag is decades?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><sp=
an lang=3D"EN-GB">Hans<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lan=
g=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;borde=
r-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<b><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:NL">Van:</span></b><span style=3D"mso=
-fareast-language:NL"> PaulHunt73 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:paulhunt73@virginmed=
ia.com">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <br><b>Verzonden:</b> maandag 3 m=
ei 2021 12:42<br><b>Aan:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">h.duin=
[email-masked]</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
t</a><br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Ride height<o:p></o:p></span></p></div>=
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;mso-fareast-language:NL">Have a look at <a=
 href=3D"http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/suspensiontext.htm#height">http://www.m=
gb-stuff.org.uk/suspensiontext.htm#height</a></span><span style=3D"mso-farea=
st-language:NL"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n style=3D"mso-fareast-language:NL">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;mso-fareast-language:N=
L">CB is &nbsp;typically around 14-14.5" from the centre of the wheel hub to=
 the underside of the bright trim strip.</span><span style=3D"mso-fareast-la=
nguage:NL"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span sty=
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ulH.</span><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:NL"><o:p></o:p></span></p></d=
iv><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0c=
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=3D"EN-GB">What distance is the centre of each wheel to the top of the wheel=
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Date: Mon, 3 May 2021 13:25:41 +0100 LYAzgABJoHgZ/e7AopnQok5yJiJzJHFBndA5gvW3WncyVRKSt0m0EhaTAXvXZ2nMQbmOvM1T1wEvQXwr4NLbyqCyirU1m7Y8HOU=

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Depends what load they are asked to carry!  The factory only allowed for =
150lb per person, I wonder how many of us are that weight these days.

When I got my roadster I wondered if the springs had sagged as they were =
almost 'flat' with the car on the ground, replaced them and the new ones =
were almost the same.  30 years later no change, that's on a chrome =
bumper.  They were OEM springs which have not been available for many =
years, first people in America and later here started talking about how =
much new springs jacked up the rear, to the extent that they had to put =
loads of weight in the boot to compress them enough to get the rebound =
straps fastened, which is completely wrong.  rubber bumper springs are =
harder to carry the extra weight, and V8 springs harder still and they =
do have a curve with the car on its wheels, but I have never had to =
weight down the back to get new springs fitted to CB, RB or V8.

The lower the car the better the handling, it's only a problem if the =
exhaust grounds and the suspension bottoms over typical road surfaces.

PaulH.

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Good information from you and Robert - thank you.

Now the story.

In the past my exhaust hit the speed bumps so often, that I did not consider
a stainless exhaust because of the cost to replace. In the years I owned the
GT the problem became worse.

During my holiday trip to England in 2011 the exhaust severely was damaged
by hitting a speed bump, when I turned on a parking spot at a hilltop of the
Peak District - see picture below.

At the end of the trip the exhaust support bracket broke of and I had to
make a temp fix, before driving onto the ferry. 

3 years ago I got an MOT safety test fail on the sagged rear springs, so
these were replaced.

>From that moment on the car looks a bit like a dragster with the rear higher
than the front.

So I should look for replacement front coils.

During the restoration job I have done the front suspension job before, so
that is not a problem.

P.S. U.S. lister may notice the Cape Cod Car Club emblem at the hatch
handle.

That was a gift I got from a nice lister visiting the Boston area in 2000.

Cheers,

Hans

Van: PaulHunt73 <[email-masked]> 
Verzonden: maandag 3 mei 2021 14:26
Aan: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Ride height

Depends what load they are asked to carry!  The factory only allowed for
150lb per person, I wonder how many of us are that weight these days.

When I got my roadster I wondered if the springs had sagged as they were
almost 'flat' with the car on the ground, replaced them and the new ones
were almost the same.  30 years later no change, that's on a chrome bumper.
They were OEM springs which have not been available for many years, first
people in America and later here started talking about how much new springs
jacked up the rear, to the extent that they had to put loads of weight in
the boot to compress them enough to get the rebound straps fastened, which
is completely wrong.  rubber bumper springs are harder to carry the extra
weight, and V8 springs harder still and they do have a curve with the car on
its wheels, but I have never had to weight down the back to get new springs
fitted to CB, RB or V8.

The lower the car the better the handling, it's only a problem if the
exhaust grounds and the suspension bottoms over typical road surfaces.

PaulH.

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=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>Good information fr=
om you and Robert &#8211; thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNor=
mal><span lang=3DEN-GB><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><sp=
an lang=3DEN-GB>Now the story.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><s=
pan lang=3DEN-GB>In the past my exhaust hit the speed bumps so often, that =
I did not consider a stainless exhaust because of the cost to replace. In t=
he years I owned the GT the problem became worse.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p c=
lass=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>During my holiday trip to England in 20=
11 the exhaust severely was damaged by hitting a speed bump, when I turned =
on a parking spot at a hilltop of the Peak District &#8211; see picture bel=
ow.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB><img width=
=3D782 height=3D430 style=3D'width:8.1416in;height:4.475in' id=3D"Afbeeldin=
g_x0020_1" src=3D"cid:[email-masked]"></span><span lang=3DE=
N-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>At the e=
nd of the trip the exhaust support bracket broke of and I had to make a tem=
p fix, before driving onto the ferry. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal><span lang=3DEN-GB><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><=
span lang=3DEN-GB>3 years ago I got an MOT safety test fail on the sagged r=
ear springs, so these were replaced.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNor=
mal><span lang=3DEN-GB>From that moment on the car looks a bit like a drags=
ter with the rear higher than the front.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMs=
oNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal=
><span lang=3DEN-GB>So I should look for replacement front coils.<o:p></o:p=
></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>During the restoration =
job I have done the front suspension job before, so that is not a problem.<=
o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>P.S. U.S. lister may =
notice the Cape Cod Car Club emblem at the hatch handle.<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>That was a gift I got from a nic=
e lister visiting the Boston area in 2000.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D=
MsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Hans<o:p></o:p></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p=
><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0p=
t 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:=
NL'>Van:</span></b><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:NL'> PaulHunt73 &lt;=
[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Verzonden:</b> maandag 3 mei 2021 14:=
26<br><b>Aan:</b> [email-masked]; [email-masked]<br><b>Onderwerp=
:</b> Re: [Mgs] Ride height<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMso=
Normal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-s=
ize:10.0pt;mso-fareast-language:NL'>Depends what load they are asked to car=
ry!&nbsp; The factory only allowed for 150lb per person, I wonder how many =
of us are that weight these days.</span><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language=
:NL'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'm=
so-fareast-language:NL'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DM=
soNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-fareast-language:NL'>When I go=
t my roadster I wondered if the springs had sagged as they were almost 'fla=
t' with the car on the ground, replaced them and the new ones were almost t=
he same.&nbsp; 30 years later no change, that's on a chrome bumper.&nbsp; T=
hey were OEM springs which have not been available for many years, first pe=
ople in America and later here started talking about how much new springs j=
acked up the rear, to the extent that they had to put loads of weight in th=
e boot to compress them enough to get the rebound straps fastened, which is=
 completely wrong.&nbsp; rubber bumper springs are harder to carry the extr=
a weight, and V8 springs harder still and they do have a curve with the car=
 on its wheels, but I have never had to weight down the back to get new spr=
ings fitted to CB, RB or V8.</span><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:NL'>=
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fa=
reast-language:NL'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNor=
mal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-fareast-language:NL'>The lower the =
car the better the handling, it's only a problem if the exhaust grounds and=
 the suspension bottoms over&nbsp;typical road surfaces.</span><span style=
=3D'mso-fareast-language:NL'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMs=
oNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:NL'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p=
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The high rear end after spring replacement is common and is part of the =
'too hard' thing needing extra weight in the boot to get the rebound =
straps fastened.

Personally I wouldn't jack up the front to match the rear, people spend =
inordinate amounts of time and money trying to lower MGBs!  What you =
could try is lowering 'blocks' between the axle and the springs, as used =
with parabolic springs, but may need longer U-bolts.

Even with new OEM rears my CB roadster was too low when fully laden, =
bottoming and grounding in country lanes, I ended up extending the rear =
shackles.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  3 years ago I got an MOT safety test fail on the sagged rear springs, =
so these were replaced.
  From that moment on the car looks a bit like a dragster with the rear =
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>The high rear end after spring replacement is common =
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Personally I wouldn't jack up the front to match the =
rear,=20
people spend inordinate amounts of time and money trying to lower =
MGBs!&nbsp;=20
What you could try is lowering&nbsp;'blocks' between the axle and the =
springs,=20
as used&nbsp;with parabolic springs, but may need longer =
U-bolts.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Even with new OEM rears my CB roadster was too low =
when fully=20
laden, bottoming and grounding in country lanes, I ended up extending =
the rear=20
shackles.</FONT></DIV>
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From: Robert's New iPad <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 3 May 2021 11:43:44 -0400

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    I was pleased with the results after the spring company suggested I remo=
ve a couple of leaves from the new rear springs.    The owner of the shop kn=
ew the original height of front springs, as measured by the horizontal trim s=
trip, and my front was low too, though it was not down as much as the rear. =
=20
   Two spring companies I have talked with about this told me that they do n=
ot work with automobile springs any more, and that after-market spring quali=
ty is quite variable.  Spring shops around here work with commercial vehicle=
s.=20
   One can make small lowering blocks, 1/2=E2=80=9D thick, from the poly-pla=
stic cutting boards sold in kitchen sundry department at Wal-Mart. =20
Bob

> On May 3, 2021, at 11:24 AM, PaulHunt73 <[email-masked]> wrote=
:
>=20
> The high rear end after spring replacement is common and is part of the 't=
oo hard' thing needing extra weight in the boot to get the rebound straps fa=
stened.
> =20
> Personally I wouldn't jack up the front to match the rear, people spend in=
ordinate amounts of time and money trying to lower MGBs!  What you could try=
 is lowering 'blocks' between the axle and the springs, as used with parabol=
ic springs, but may need longer U-bolts.
> =20
> Even with new OEM rears my CB roadster was too low when fully laden, botto=
ming and grounding in country lanes, I ended up extending the rear shackles.=

> 3 years ago I got an MOT safety test fail on the sagged rear springs, so t=
hese were replaced.
> =46rom that moment on the car looks a bit like a dragster with the rear hi=
gher than the front.
> So I should look for replacement front coils.

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utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nb=
sp; &nbsp; I was pleased with the results after the spring company suggested=
 I remove a couple of leaves from the new rear springs. &nbsp; &nbsp;The own=
er of the shop knew the original height of front springs, as measured by the=
 horizontal trim strip, and my front was low too, though it was not down as m=
uch as the rear. &nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; &nbsp;Two spring compan=
ies I have talked with about this told me that they do not work with automob=
ile springs any more, and that after-market spring quality is quite variable=
. &nbsp;Spring shops around here work with commercial vehicles.&nbsp;</div><=
div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; &nbsp;One can make small lowering blocks, 1/2=E2=80=9D=
 thick, from the poly-plastic cutting boards sold in kitchen sundry departme=
nt at Wal-Mart. &nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On May 3, 2021, at 11:24 AM, PaulHunt73 &lt;<a hre=
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<div><font size=3D"2">The high rear end after spring replacement is common a=
nd is=20
part of the 'too hard' thing needing extra weight in the boot to get the reb=
ound=20
straps fastened.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font size=3D"2">Personally I wouldn't jack up the front to match the r=
ear,=20
people spend inordinate amounts of time and money trying to lower MGBs!&nbsp=
;=20
What you could try is lowering&nbsp;'blocks' between the axle and the spring=
s,=20
as used&nbsp;with parabolic springs, but may need longer U-bolts.</font></di=
v>
<div><font size=3D"2"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font size=3D"2">Even with new OEM rears my CB roadster was too low whe=
n fully=20
laden, bottoming and grounding in country lanes, I ended up extending the re=
ar=20
shackles.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2"></font>&nbsp;</div>
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pan lang=3D"EN-GB">3 years ago I got an MOT safety test fail on the sagged r=
ear=20
  springs, so these were replaced.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
  <div class=3D"WordSection1">
  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">=46rom that moment on the car l=
ooks a bit=20
  like a dragster with the rear higher than the front.<o:p></o:p></span></p>=

  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">So I should look for replaceme=
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Hello Paul,

I got my local Brit car shop to fit springs all round as I had a serious 
case of unequal saggynitis.   They got them from Moss and all is 
perfectly fine now.

Cheers
Barrie

On 5/3/2021 11:24 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote:
> The high rear end after spring replacement is common and is part of 
> the 'too hard' thing needing extra weight in the boot to get the 
> rebound straps fastened.
> Personally I wouldn't jack up the front to match the rear, people 
> spend inordinate amounts of time and money trying to lower MGBs!  What 
> you could try is lowering 'blocks' between the axle and the springs, 
> as used with parabolic springs, but may need longer U-bolts.
> Even with new OEM rears my CB roadster was too low when fully laden, 
> bottoming and grounding in country lanes, I ended up extending the 
> rear shackles.
> PaulH.
>
>     3 years ago I got an MOT safety test fail on the sagged rear
>     springs, so these were replaced.
>
>     From that moment on the car looks a bit like a dragster with the
>     rear higher than the front.
>
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    <font size="-1"><font face="Arial">Hello Paul,<br>
        <br>
        I got my local Brit car shop to fit springs all round as I had a
        serious case of unequal saggynitis.   They got them from Moss
        and all is perfectly fine now.<br>
        <br>
        Cheers<br>
        Barrie<br>
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      <div><font size="2">The high rear end after spring replacement is
          common and is part of the 'too hard' thing needing extra
          weight in the boot to get the rebound straps fastened.</font></div>
      <div> </div>
      <div><font size="2">Personally I wouldn't jack up the front to
          match the rear, people spend inordinate amounts of time and
          money trying to lower MGBs!  What you could try is
          lowering 'blocks' between the axle and the springs, as
          used with parabolic springs, but may need longer U-bolts.</font></div>
      <div> </div>
      <div><font size="2">Even with new OEM rears my CB roadster was too
          low when fully laden, bottoming and grounding in country
          lanes, I ended up extending the rear shackles.</font></div>
      <div> </div>
      <div><font size="2">PaulH.</font></div>
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        <div style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div>
        <div style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color:
          black"><span lang="EN-GB">3 years ago I got an MOT safety test
            fail on the sagged rear springs, so these were replaced.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">So I should look for
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The lower mounting point for the rebound strap on an MGB (the car that =
was the subject of the original enquiry) is on the axle.  So when you =
fit lowering blocks the body becomes lower relative to the axle and the =
rebound straps become slacker not more taut.  The bump rubber on the =
body is now also closer to the pedestal on the axle, so the damper can't =
be 'compressed' any more than it was before.  And with the same straps =
the damper can't be extended any more than previously either.

Incorrect springs that give a very raised ride height may well cause the =
problem of picking up a rear tyre in a fast turn, but lowering blocks =
will reduce or eliminate that.

PaulH.

  Lowering blocks raise the rear axle in relation to the springs, but do =
not change the spring height in relation to the body or chassis frame.  =
You can correct the ride height that way, but it will not correct the =
gross misalignment for the rebound straps (which are attached to the =
lower spring mounting plate).

  If the rebould straps are close to taught when at rest, they you will =
be royally screwed on handling when driving.  It will pick a rear tire =
completely off the ground in a fast turn, causing severe oversteer (very =
dangerous condition).  And if you install longer rebound straps, you =
will get damage to the lever arm shocks from overtravel.

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Yeah, good point.  Sorry about the slip up.  I forgot the lower pin 
for the rebound strap is on the axle housing.

Still no excuse for new replacement springs being manufactured with 
too much arch (and too high spring rate).  Theory of a leaf spring is 
that when fully loaded it should be straight, flat, no arch.  This 
gives it the highest lateral stiffness and least tendency to twist 
and misalign the springs and axle in hard cornering.  It just rubs me 
the wrong way to have to jury rig an perfectly good assembly to 
accommodate use of a faulty replacement part.

At 03:32 AM 5/4/2021, PaulHunt73 wrote:
>The lower mounting point for the rebound strap on an MGB (the car 
>that was the subject of the original enquiry) is on the axle.  So 
>when you fit lowering blocks the body becomes lower relative to the 
>axle and the rebound straps become slacker not more taut.  The bump 
>rubber on the body is now also closer to the pedestal on the axle, 
>so the damper can't be 'compressed' any more than it was 
>before.  And with the same straps the damper can't be extended any 
>more than previously either.
>
>Incorrect springs that give a very raised ride height may well cause 
>the problem of picking up a rear tyre in a fast turn, but lowering 
>blocks will reduce or eliminate that.
>
>PaulH.

>Lowering blocks raise the rear axle in relation to the springs, but 
>do not change the spring height in relation to the body or chassis 
>frame.  You can correct the ride height that way, but it will not 
>correct the gross misalignment for the rebound straps (which are 
>attached to the lower spring mounting plate).
>
>If the rebould straps are close to taught when at rest, they you 
>will be royally screwed on handling when driving.  It will pick a 
>rear tire completely off the ground in a fast turn, causing severe 
>oversteer (very dangerous condition).  And if you install longer 
>rebound straps, you will get damage to the lever arm shocks from overtravel.

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<font size=3>Yeah, good point.&nbsp; Sorry about the slip up.&nbsp; I
forgot the lower pin for the rebound strap is on the axle
housing.<br><br>
Still no excuse for new replacement springs being manufactured with too
much arch (and too high spring rate).&nbsp; Theory of a leaf spring is
that when fully loaded it should be straight, flat, no arch.&nbsp; This
gives it the highest lateral stiffness and least tendency to twist and
misalign the springs and axle in hard cornering.&nbsp; It just rubs me
the wrong way to have to jury rig an perfectly good assembly to
accommodate use of a faulty replacement part.<br><br>
<br>
At 03:32 AM 5/4/2021, PaulHunt73 wrote:<br>
</font><blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""><font size=2>The lower
mounting point for the rebound strap on an MGB (the car that was the
subject of the original enquiry) is on the axle.&nbsp; So when you fit
lowering blocks the body becomes lower relative to the axle and the
rebound straps become slacker not more taut.&nbsp; The bump rubber on the
body is now also closer to the pedestal on the axle, so the damper can't
be 'compressed' any more than it was before.&nbsp; And with the same
straps the damper can't be extended any more than previously either.<br>
</font><font size=3>&nbsp;<br>
</font><font size=2>Incorrect springs that give a very raised ride height
may well cause the problem of picking up a rear tyre in a fast turn, but
lowering blocks will reduce or eliminate that.<br>
</font><font size=3>&nbsp;<br>
</font><font size=2>PaulH.</font></blockquote><br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""><font size=3>----- Original
Message ----- <br>
</font>
<dl>
<dd>Lowering blocks raise the rear axle in relation to the springs, but
do not change the spring height in relation to the body or chassis
frame.&nbsp; You can correct the ride height that way, but it will not
correct the gross misalignment for the rebound straps (which are attached
to the lower spring mounting plate).<br><br>

<dd>If the rebould straps are close to taught when at rest, they you will
be royally screwed on handling when driving.&nbsp; It will pick a rear
tire completely off the ground in a fast turn, causing severe oversteer
(very dangerous condition).&nbsp; And if you install longer rebound
straps, you will get damage to the lever arm shocks from overtravel.
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Amen to that!
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  Still no excuse for new replacement springs being manufactured with =
too much arch (and too high spring rate).  Theory of a leaf spring is =
that when fully loaded it should be straight, flat, no arch.  This gives =
it the highest lateral stiffness and least tendency to twist and =
misalign the springs and axle in hard cornering.  It just rubs me the =
wrong way to have to jury rig an perfectly good assembly to accommodate =
use of a faulty replacement part.

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  size=3D3>Still no excuse for new replacement springs being =
manufactured with too=20
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Lowering blocks raise the rear axle in relation=20
to the springs, but do not change the spring=20
height in relation to the body or chassis=20
frame.  You can correct the ride height that way,=20
but it will not correct the gross misalignment=20
for the rebound straps (which are attached to the lower spring mounting=
 plate).

If the rebould straps are close to taught when at=20
rest, they you will be royally screwed on=20
handling when driving.  It will pick a rear tire=20
completely off the ground in a fast turn, causing=20
severe oversteer (very dangerous condition).  And=20
if you install longer rebound straps, you will=20
get damage to the lever arm shocks from overtravel.

At 11:43 AM 5/3/2021, Robert's New iPad wrote:
>     I was pleased with the results after the=20
> spring company suggested I remove a couple of=20
> leaves from the new rear springs.    The owner=20
> of the shop knew the original height of front=20
> springs, as measured by the horizontal trim=20
> strip, and my front was low too, though it was not down as much as the=
 rear.
>    Two spring companies I have talked with=20
> about this told me that they do not work with=20
> automobile springs any more, and that=20
> after-market spring quality is quite=20
> variable.  Spring shops around here work with commercial vehicles.
>    One can make small lowering blocks, 1/2=E2=80=9D=20
> thick, from the poly-plastic cutting boards=20
> sold in kitchen sundry department at Wal-Mart.
>Bob

>On May 3, 2021, at 11:24 AM, PaulHunt73=20
>
>>The high rear end after spring replacement is=20
>>common and is part of the 'too hard' thing=20
>>needing extra weight in the boot to get the rebound straps fastened.
>>
>>Personally I wouldn't jack up the front to=20
>>match the rear, people spend inordinate amounts=20
>>of time and money trying to lower MGBs!  What=20
>>you could try is lowering 'blocks' between the=20
>>axle and the springs, as used with parabolic=20
>>springs, but may need longer U-bolts.
>>
>>Even with new OEM rears my CB roadster was too=20
>>low when fully laden, bottoming and grounding=20
>>in country lanes, I ended up extending the rear shackles.
>>
>>PaulH.

>>3 years ago I got an MOT safety test fail on=20
>>the sagged rear springs, so these were replaced.
>>
>> From that moment on the car looks a bit like a=20
>> dragster with the rear higher than the front.
>>
>>....

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<font size=3D3>Lowering blocks raise the rear axle in relation to the
springs, but do not change the spring height in relation to the body or
chassis frame.&nbsp; You can correct the ride height that way, but it
will not correct the gross misalignment for the rebound straps (which are
attached to the lower spring mounting plate).<br><br>
If the rebould straps are close to taught when at rest, they you will be
royally screwed on handling when driving.&nbsp; It will pick a rear tire
completely off the ground in a fast turn, causing severe oversteer (very
dangerous condition).&nbsp; And if you install longer rebound straps, you
will get damage to the lever arm shocks from overtravel.<br><br>
<br>
At 11:43 AM 5/3/2021, Robert's New iPad wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I was plea=
sed
with the results after the spring company suggested I remove a couple of
leaves from the new rear springs.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The owner of the shop
knew the original height of front springs, as measured by the horizontal
trim strip, and my front was low too, though it was not down as much as
the rear.&nbsp; <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; Two spring companies I have talked with about this told me
that they do not work with automobile springs any more, and that
after-market spring quality is quite variable.&nbsp; Spring shops around
here work with commercial vehicles. <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; One can make small lowering blocks, 1/2=E2=80=9D thick, from th=
e
poly-plastic cutting boards sold in kitchen sundry department at
Wal-Mart.&nbsp; <br>
Bob</font></blockquote><br><br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D""><font size=3D3>On May 3,=
 2021, at
11:24 AM, PaulHunt73
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br>
</font><blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D""><font size=3D2>The hig=
h
rear end after spring replacement is common and is part of the 'too hard'
thing needing extra weight in the boot to get the rebound straps
fastened.<br>
</font><font size=3D3>&nbsp;<br>
</font><font size=3D2>Personally I wouldn't jack up the front to match the
rear, people spend inordinate amounts of time and money trying to lower
MGBs!&nbsp; What you could try is lowering 'blocks' between the axle and
the springs, as used with parabolic springs, but may need longer
U-bolts.<br>
</font><font size=3D3>&nbsp;<br>
</font><font size=3D2>Even with new OEM rears my CB roadster was too low
when fully laden, bottoming and grounding in country lanes, I ended up
extending the rear shackles.<br>
</font><font size=3D3>&nbsp;<br>
</font><font size=3D2>PaulH.</font></blockquote></blockquote><br><br>
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<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D"">
<dl>
<dd><font size=3D3>----- Original Message ----- <br>

<dd>3 years ago I got an MOT safety test fail on the sagged rear springs,
so these were replaced.<br><br>

<dd>From that moment on the car looks a bit like a dragster with the rear
higher than the front.<br>
<br>

<dd>So I should look for replacement front coils.<br>
....</font>
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Funny how things suddenly come to mind when you are doing something =
completely different.

Whilst the rebound strap is on the axle the damper mount IS below the =
spring.  If you fit 1" (say) lowering blocks between the axle and the =
spring, positioning the axle closer to the body (and so lowering the =
ride height), then the axle can move 1" further down before the STANDARD =
rebound strap stops it, hence the damper mounting plate has moved 1" =
further down than normal.  It's this that could result in the damper =
hitting its lower limit before the rebound strap stops the axle. =20

I think!

Easy enough to check - when the strap is carrying the weight of the axle =
it should twang like a bow-string, and there should be a little more =
downward movement of the damper mounting plate below the spring.  If =
not, then shorter webbing straps can be made up in the US and the UK, or =
it may be possible to 'shorten' one with some kind of clamp that puts a =
tight curve in it under tension instead of being straight.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Barney Gaylord=20
  To: PaulHunt73=20
  Cc: [email-masked]=20
  Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2021 2:42 PM
  Subject: Re: [Mgs] Ride height

  Yeah, good point.  Sorry about the slip up.  I forgot the lower pin =
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Funny how things suddenly come to mind when you are =
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lowering the ride height),&nbsp;then the axle can move 1" further down =
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I think!</FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Easy enough to check - when the strap is carrying =
the weight=20
of the axle it should twang like a bow-string, and&nbsp;there should be =
a little=20
more downward movement of the damper mounting plate below the =
spring.&nbsp; If=20
not, then shorter webbing straps can be made up in the US and the UK, or =
it may=20
be possible to 'shorten' one with some kind of clamp that puts =
a&nbsp;tight=20
curve in it&nbsp;under tension instead of being straight.</FONT></DIV>
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  <A title=[email-masked] =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 04, 2021 =
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