Subject: Re: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 168, Issue 9

From: Eric Russell <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 14:15:47 -0400

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I have done it both ways (MGA & MGB). Generally, unless I need to have the
transmission out, I'll take out just the engine. Two tips I can offer.

1) Remove the crank pulley before pulling the engine (and replace it after
re-installation). This can give you an extra inch of maneuvering room in
the engine bay.

B) Use a good clutch alignment tool or a spare first motion shaft (doesn't
everyone have a bin of spare first motion shafts?!?). And - most important,
even when using a good alignment tool - you must not slide it in and let it
hang. There is enough play in the assembly that the clutch will not be
perfectly aligned unless you hold the tool perpendicular to the clutch.

EjR

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> It is possible.  But I have found it easier to pull Both together.
> Especially when mating it up to the tranny.
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> Subject: [Mgs] 1980 MGB engine removal
> Date: Sun, 16 May 2021 20:09:08 -0400
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> The workshop manual recommends removing the engine and gearbox as one
> unit.?  Has anyone had success removing the engine while leaving the
> gearbox in place??  All bell housing bolts appear accessible, and a friend
> would love to not have to remove the console, carpet, gearshift,
> driveshaft, etc., to get the engine out--the head has serious problems, and
> he fears the block will too.
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> Obviously, both methods are possible; they have different advantages and
> problems.
>
> The workshop manual knows what it is talking about and lays out all the
> steps. If you choose another method it is up to you to work out the order
> of assembly issues.
>
> Yes, if you pull both there are few extra items to remove, but not many:
> shift lever, reverse switch wire, OD wires if present, crossmember & trans
> mount bolts, speedo cable. You also need to raise the car enough for the
> tailshaft to tilt in.
>
> If you pull just the engine, you have to do all the fiddly stuff (aligning
> the clutch, undoing and refitting the engine-trans bolts) under the car
> with limited access, so you have to raise the car anyway.
>
> Sometimes it works like a charm, but on occasion the clutch just won't
> align and you can spend hours mucking with it, squandering any time you
> ?saved?.
>
> I just did an engine install with the transmission in place (not on an
> MG), and it took almost two hours to get the engine aligned to the torque
> converter. We did it that way at the insistence of my buddy (it was his
> garage and his lift, although it was my car), but I really think we would
> have been better off doing it my way, with both together. The reason I went
> along was I was afraid his hoist couldn?t lift the combo high enough to
> clear the nose of the car. That isn?t really a problem with the low slung
> MG.
>
> --
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB
>
>
>
> > On May 18, 2021, at 9:08 AM, [email-masked] wrote:
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> > It is possible.  But I have found it easier to pull Both together.
> Especially when mating it up to the tranny.
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> > Subject: [Mgs] 1980 MGB engine removal
> > Date: Sun, 16 May 2021 20:09:08 -0400
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> > The workshop manual recommends removing the engine and gearbox as one
> unit.?  Has anyone had success removing the engine while leaving the
> gearbox in place??  All bell housing bolts appear accessible, and a friend
> would love to not have to remove the console, carpet, gearshift,
> driveshaft, etc., to get the engine out--the head has serious problems, and
> he fears the block will too.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Sarah Carr
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I have done it both ways (MGA &amp; MGB). Generally, unles=
s I need to have the transmission out, I&#39;ll take out just the engine. T=
wo tips I can offer.=C2=A0<div><br><div>1) Remove the crank pulley before p=
ulling the engine (and replace it after re-installation). This can give you=
 an extra inch of maneuvering=C2=A0room in the engine bay.=C2=A0</div><div>=
<br></div><div>B) Use a good clutch alignment tool or a spare first motion =
shaft (doesn&#39;t everyone have a bin of spare first motion shafts?!?). An=
d - most important, even when using a good alignment tool - you must not sl=
ide it in and let it hang. There is enough play in the assembly that the cl=
utch will not be perfectly aligned unless you hold the tool perpendicular t=
o the clutch.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>EjR=C2=A0</div></div></div><br=
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It is possible.=C2=A0 But I have found it easier to pull Both together.=C2=
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Subject: [Mgs] 1980 MGB engine removal<br>
Date: Sun, 16 May 2021 20:09:08 -0400<br>
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The workshop manual recommends removing the engine and gearbox as one unit.=
?=C2=A0 Has anyone had success removing the engine while leaving the gearbo=
x in place??=C2=A0 All bell housing bolts appear accessible, and a friend w=
ould love to not have to remove the console, carpet, gearshift, driveshaft,=
 etc., to get the engine out--the head has serious problems, and he fears t=
he block will too.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
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To: Mga List &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">mg=
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Subject: Re: [Mgs] 1980 MGB engine removal<br>
c.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt;<br>
<br>
Obviously, both methods are possible; they have different advantages and pr=
oblems.<br>
<br>
The workshop manual knows what it is talking about and lays out all the ste=
ps. If you choose another method it is up to you to work out the order of a=
ssembly issues.<br>
<br>
Yes, if you pull both there are few extra items to remove, but not many: sh=
ift lever, reverse switch wire, OD wires if present, crossmember &amp; tran=
s mount bolts, speedo cable. You also need to raise the car enough for the =
tailshaft to tilt in.<br>
<br>
If you pull just the engine, you have to do all the fiddly stuff (aligning =
the clutch, undoing and refitting the engine-trans bolts) under the car wit=
h limited access, so you have to raise the car anyway.<br>
<br>
Sometimes it works like a charm, but on occasion the clutch just won&#39;t =
align and you can spend hours mucking with it, squandering any time you ?sa=
ved?.<br>
<br>
I just did an engine install with the transmission in place (not on an MG),=
 and it took almost two hours to get the engine aligned to the torque conve=
rter. We did it that way at the insistence of my buddy (it was his garage a=
nd his lift, although it was my car), but I really think we would have been=
 better off doing it my way, with both together. The reason I went along wa=
s I was afraid his hoist couldn?t lift the combo high enough to clear the n=
ose of the car. That isn?t really a problem with the low slung MG.<br>
<br>
--<br>
Max Heim<br>
&#39;66 MGB<br>
<br>
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&gt; On May 18, 2021, at 9:08 AM, <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" t=
arget=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; It is possible.=C2=A0 But I have found it easier to pull Both together=
.=C2=A0 Especially when mating it up to the tranny.=C2=A0 <br>
&gt; ---------- Original Message ----------<br>
&gt; From: S.Carr &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank=
">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; To: MGs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">mg=
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&gt; Subject: [Mgs] 1980 MGB engine removal<br>
&gt; Date: Sun, 16 May 2021 20:09:08 -0400<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; The workshop manual recommends removing the engine and gearbox as one =
unit.?=C2=A0 Has anyone had success removing the engine while leaving the g=
earbox in place??=C2=A0 All bell housing bolts appear accessible, and a fri=
end would love to not have to remove the console, carpet, gearshift, drives=
haft, etc., to get the engine out--the head has serious problems, and he fe=
ars the block will too.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;=C2=A0 <br>
&gt; Thanks,<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Sarah Carr<br>
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