Subject: Re: [Mgs] New MG Sports Car Concept

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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 11:15:29 -0500

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Take off those headrests and I'll like it.

CR

On 4/2/2021 10:33 AM, Dan DiBiase wrote:
> Interesting concept car.
>
> https://electrek.co/2021/04/01/mg-motor-unveils-cyberster-electric-sports-car-concept/ 
> <https://electrek.co/2021/04/01/mg-motor-unveils-cyberster-electric-sports-car-concept/>
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The world has gone SUV. This is eye-candy to get people to think MG, but it
will never come out.

I don't really like the angles, you can't really see what it would look
like.

They have had a number of concepts over the last few years that all "harken
back" or "reminisce" about past cars. But they never go forward.  All the
companies do that. Nissan really got me 5 years ago when they did a retro
510 thing. I was ready to buy that. But after saying they really want to
think about building it, they just dropped it.

There is also the part about MG won't come back to the US.

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<div dir=3D"ltr">The world has gone SUV. This is eye-candy to get people to=
 think MG, but it will never come out.=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>I don&#39;t=
 really like the angles, you can&#39;t really see what it would look like.=
=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>They have had a number of concepts over the=
 last few years that all &quot;harken back&quot; or &quot;reminisce&quot; a=
bout past cars. But they never go forward.=C2=A0 All the companies do that.=
 Nissan really got me 5 years ago when they did a retro 510 thing. I was re=
ady to buy that. But after saying they really want to think about building =
it, they just dropped it.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>There is also the =
part about MG won&#39;t come back to the US.=C2=A0</div></div><br><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Apr 2, 2021=
 at 10:33 AM Dan DiBiase &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">dan.d=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);pa=
dding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Interesting concept=C2=A0car.=C2=A0<div><b=
r></div><div><a href=3D"https://electrek.co/2021/04/01/mg-motor-unveils-cyb=
erster-electric-sports-car-concept/" target=3D"_blank">https://electrek.co/=
2021/04/01/mg-motor-unveils-cyberster-electric-sports-car-concept/</a></div=
><div><br></div><div>Dan D</div><div>&#39;76B, &#39;65B Project (soon up fo=
r sale)</div><div>Central NJ USA<br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><di=
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From: Dan DiBiase <[email-masked]>
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Yes, but since it's being reported across multiple sources, and does seem
to fit in with MG's heritage, I don't think it's a joke. Besides, I don't
think April Fools Day is a thing in China...!

Dan D
Central NJ USA

On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 4:00 AM PaulBHunt73 <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Erm, did you look at the date of the press release?
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Dan DiBiase <[email-masked]>
> *To:* [email-masked] ; mglist <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Friday, April 02, 2021 4:33 PM
> *Subject:* New MG Sports Car Concept
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> Interesting concept car.
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rces, and does seem to fit in with MG&#39;s heritage, I don&#39;t think it&=
#39;s a joke. Besides, I don&#39;t think April Fools Day is a thing in Chin=
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Jason of Engineering Explained, bought a Telsa Model 3 last year. He's done
2 2500 mile road trips, summer, and winter. And, of course, has done
youtube videos for them. Worth a look.

I hadn't heard that the batteries only last 50k miles. The first hit on a
google search says 100-150k and/or 8 years.

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 2:19 PM Paul Noble <[email-masked]> wrote:

> I've wondered about the same things, regarding electric and hybrid cars.
>
> Another thing to consider is that lithium is environmentally problematic,
> both in mining it and disposing of it.
>
> The problem is that gasoline is still one of the most economical, safest
> and densest way to transport energy. In most cases, a tank of gasoline will
> take a car farther than a fully charged battery will.
>
> The battery pack is usually much larger than the gas tank, and a lot
> heavier.
>
> I've never owned a Prius or any other hybrid, but I've heard that you're
> lucky to get 50,000 miles on a set of batteries. Replacing them costs about
> $3-4k. That's one reason I wouldn't even consider a used Prius, unless the
> seller showed me receipts for a very recent battery replacement. A Prius
> (or Tesla for that matter) without batteries is like a conventional car
> without an engine. It might be a good deal, but you have to factor in the
> cost of replacing the batteries or engine.
>
> Current (no pun intended) technology requires, I believe, a couple of
> hours, at least, to recharge a fully depleted set of batteries on a fully
> electric vehicle. That makes long trips a problem, if you have to stop
> every four hours for a two hour recharge. They could probably speed up the
> charging process but that would require much higher voltages or current
> flow, both of which can be dangerous and create heat dissipation problems.
>
> I've heard stories that rescue workers have been injured when trying to
> cut someone out of a crashed hybrid vehicle and accidentally cut through
> the main battery cable. I know that first responders have been trained for
> this now, but this remains a problem.
>
> Of course, there is a chicken/egg problem with public charging stations.
> No one wants to spend a lot of money installing public charging stations
> until there are a lot of EVs to use them. Conversely, many buyers are
> reluctant to buy an EV because there are not many public charging stations.
> That is why one of the features of the proposed infrastructure bill now
> being debated in Congress includes funding to build charging stations.
> ------------------------------
> *From:* 'Paul C Resch' via MG-MGA-MGB <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 6, 2021 2:49 PM
> *To:* James Dillner <[email-masked]>; Dan DiBiase <
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> *Cc:* PaulBHunt73 <[email-masked]>; mglist <[email-masked]>;
> MG-MGA-MGB <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* Off topic. Your mileage may vary. WAS Re: [Mgs] New MG Sports
> Car Concept
>
> I am just looking to have a discussion, not an angry argument but feel I
> am missing something.
>
> When I had a Mazda6 I noticed the similarity to the Tesla S. Turns out
> same guy Franz von Holzhausen designed both.  Pretty similar.
>
> Presuming the cars mission is the same.  Build quality similar, tire usage
> and performance in real world use equivalent I did some comparisons.
> Stupid fast Tesla acceleration is as useless as the Masda6's 600 mile per
> tank range.   My bladder needs stops more frequently than 9 hours.
>
> In 100,000 miles Tesla recharges ($22.00 for 250 miles, I got this from
> Tesla) would run $8,800.
>
> In 100.00 at $2.75 a gallon, 35 miles per US Gallon and 10 - $65 oil
> changes the total is about $8,500.
>
> But the Tesla costs over $70,000 and the Mazda6 half that.
>
> Even if recharging at home was free, in 100,000 I am $25,000 dollars
> ahead.  I am negating resale.  A 100,000 Mazda6 is nicely broken in..
> What's the $16.000 Tesla's battery life expectancy.  I just do not know.
>
> And a trip such as I just took to Montana last October, 5,000 miles would
> be nearly impossible.
>
> I was in areas where gas stations were few and far between and charging
> non-existent.  One hotel out of 13 had charging stations.  Rapid charging
> hurts battery life.  Standing around for a half hour a couple of times a
> day could get old.
>
> I think the European model of changeable battery packs is what will win.
>
> Design a platform where you pull in, drop the vehicle into a system much
> like an automated car wash, and come back in 5 minutes with a fresh
> battery.  Changed from below.
>
> Automatically changed.  SUVs might  have two batteries.  Trucks might have
> more.
>
> Your state of charge, car's pathway and prediction of needed packs would
> report to your car your assigned swap spot so A: you knew you would have a
> battery ready and B: that there was no need to squeeze every last drop out
> of yours.  You'd pay a charge to belong to the system and what your battery
> had left. So if you wanted to stop every 2 hours for a rest break, just
> swap the half used battery.
>
> I learned that in Wolfsburg's VW factory it is rare for the same model to
> be built in order as the robots don't care.
>
> The infrastructure of charging stations and having enough spigots is tough
> to see until many years from now.
>
> So please, I take trips, not a lot and yes, I could just rent a car for
> trips, but the current model works for me.
>
> A fun read on this topic, tongue firmly in cheek is:
>
> 1915 Ford Model T vs. 2013 Tesla Model S: Race of the Centuries
> <https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a15112705/2013-tesla-model-s-vs-1915-ford-model-t-race-of-the-centuries-feature/>
>
> 1915 Ford Model T vs. 2013 Tesla Model S: Race of the Centuries
>
> We stage a multi-state enduro to find out if today's automotive pioneer
> can outrun its predecessor.
>
> <https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a15112705/2013-tesla-model-s-vs-1915-ford-model-t-race-of-the-centuries-feature/>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Paul Resch USA Cell phone 661-645-5266 email addresses [email-masked]
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>
> On Tuesday, April 6, 2021, 12:47:33 PM CDT, Dan DiBiase <
> [email-masked]> wrote:
>
>
> Yes, there are 7000-something individual cells bundled into about 15
> modules that make up the battery pack in the Model 3/Y (77kWh battery).
>
> Dan D
> Central NJ USA
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 12:07 PM James Dillner <[email-masked]>
> wrote:
>
> This is a bit off topic, but did anyone see the pictures of the Tesla
> wreck where the battery pack tore apart?  There were thousands of little
> sub-c cells.....batteries.....scattered all over the place.  Somehow I
> never dreamed that those power packs were made up of cells all linked
> together.
>
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> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 6, 2021 11:40 AM
> *Cc:* mglist <[email-masked]>; MG-MGA-MGB <[email-masked]
> >
> *Subject:* Re: [Mgs] New MG Sports Car Concept
>
> Each to their own.  I can't see myself ever buying an EV based on the
> current range and recharging situation where they are little more than toys
> for local journeys.  If I get to the point when I'm still around and
> driving but run out of satisfactory used 'real' cars to buy then I shall
> revert to using my V8 as a daily driver as I did before.
>
> PaulH.
>
> Hans - one could argue that this concept IS a modern set-up.... ;-) Based
> on my first month with my Tesla Model Y, I'd absolutely consider anything
> with an electric drivetrain from this point on. I don't plan to buy another
> internal combustion vehicle for my daily use.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Jason of Engineering Explained, bought a Telsa=C2=A0Model =
3 last year. He&#39;s done 2 2500 mile road trips, summer, and winter. And,=
 of course, has done youtube videos for them. Worth a look.=C2=A0<div><br><=
/div><div>I hadn&#39;t heard that the batteries only last 50k miles. The fi=
rst hit on a google search says 100-150k and/or 8 years.</div><div><br></di=
v></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr=
">On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 2:19 PM Paul Noble &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:noblepa@h=
otmail.com">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
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<span>I&#39;ve wondered about the same things, regarding electric and hybri=
d cars.</span></div>
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t-size:12pt">
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t-size:12pt">
<span>Another thing to consider is that lithium is environmentally problema=
tic, both in mining it and disposing of it.</span></div>
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<span>The problem is that gasoline is still one of the most economical, saf=
est and densest way to transport energy. In most cases, a tank of gasoline =
will take a car farther than a fully charged battery will.</span></div>
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<span>The battery pack is usually much larger than the gas tank, and a lot =
heavier.</span></div>
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t-size:12pt">
<span>I&#39;ve never owned a Prius or any other hybrid, but I&#39;ve heard =
that you&#39;re lucky to get 50,000 miles on a set of batteries. Replacing =
them costs about $3-4k. That&#39;s one reason I wouldn&#39;t even consider =
a used Prius, unless the seller showed me receipts for
 a very recent battery replacement. A Prius (or Tesla for that matter) with=
out batteries is like a conventional car without an engine. It might be a g=
ood deal, but you have to factor in the cost of replacing the batteries or =
engine.</span></div>
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Current (no pun intended) technology requires, I believe, a couple of hours=
, at least, to recharge a fully depleted set of batteries on a fully electr=
ic vehicle. That makes long trips a problem, if you have to stop every four=
 hours for a two hour recharge.
 They could probably speed up the charging process but that would require m=
uch higher voltages or current flow, both of which can be dangerous and cre=
ate heat dissipation problems.</div>
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I&#39;ve heard stories that rescue workers have been injured when trying to=
 cut someone out of a crashed hybrid vehicle and accidentally cut through t=
he main battery cable. I know that first responders have been trained for t=
his now, but this remains a problem.</div>
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Of course, there is a chicken/egg problem with public charging stations. No=
 one wants to spend a lot of money installing public charging stations unti=
l there are a lot of EVs to use them. Conversely, many buyers are reluctant=
 to buy an EV because there are
 not many public charging stations. That is why one of the features of the =
proposed infrastructure bill now being debated in Congress includes funding=
 to build charging stations.</div>
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<div id=3D"gmail-m_-6992287651865967615divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font col=
or=3D"#000000" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>Fro=
m:</b> &#39;Paul C Resch&#39; via MG-MGA-MGB &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mg-mga-m=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<=
br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 6, 2021 2:49 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> James Dillner &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; Dan DiBiase &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> PaulBHunt73 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; mglist &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgs=
@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; MG-MGA-MGB &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">mg-mga-=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Off topic. Your mileage may vary. WAS Re: [Mgs] New MG Spor=
ts Car Concept</font>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I am just looking to have a discussion, not an angry argum=
ent but feel I am missing something.</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">When I had a Mazda6 I noticed the similarity to the Tesla =
S. Turns out same guy Franz von Holzhausen designed both.=C2=A0 Pretty simi=
lar.</div>
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</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Presuming the cars mission is the same.=C2=A0 Build qualit=
y similar, tire usage and performance in real world use equivalent I did so=
me comparisons.=C2=A0 Stupid fast Tesla acceleration is as useless as the M=
asda6&#39;s 600 mile per tank range.=C2=A0 =C2=A0My bladder
 needs stops more frequently than 9 hours.</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">In 100,000 miles Tesla recharges ($22.00 for 250 miles, I =
got this from Tesla) would run $8,800.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">In 100.00 at $2.75 a gallon, 35 miles per US Gallon and 10=
 - $65 oil changes the total is about $8,500.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">But the Tesla costs over $70,000 and the Mazda6 half that.=
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Even if recharging at home was free, in 100,000 I am $25,0=
00 dollars ahead.=C2=A0 I am negating resale.=C2=A0 A 100,000 Mazda6 is nic=
ely broken in.. What&#39;s the $16.000 Tesla&#39;s battery life expectancy.=
=C2=A0 I just do not know.</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">And a trip such as I just took to Montana last October, 5,=
000 miles would be nearly impossible.</div>
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</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">I was in areas where gas stations were few and far between=
 and charging non-existent.=C2=A0 One hotel out of 13 had charging stations=
.=C2=A0 Rapid charging hurts battery life.=C2=A0 Standing around for a half=
 hour a couple of times a day could get old.</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I think the European model of changeable battery packs is =
what will win.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Design a platform where you pull in, drop the vehicle into=
 a system much like an automated car wash, and come back in 5 minutes with =
a fresh battery.=C2=A0 Changed from below.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Automatically changed.=C2=A0 SUVs might=C2=A0 have two bat=
teries.=C2=A0 Trucks might have more.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Your state of charge, car&#39;s pathway and prediction of =
needed packs would report to your car your assigned swap spot so A: you kne=
w you would have a battery ready and B: that there was no need to squeeze e=
very last drop out of yours.=C2=A0 You&#39;d pay
 a charge to belong to the system and what your battery had left. So if you=
 wanted to stop every 2 hours for a rest break, just swap the half used bat=
tery.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">I learned that in Wolfsburg&#39;s VW factory it is rare fo=
r the same model to be built in order as the robots don&#39;t care.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">The infrastructure of charging stations and having enough =
spigots is tough to see until many years from now.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">So please, I take trips, not a lot and yes, I could just r=
ent a car for trips, but the current model works for me.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">A fun read on this topic, tongue firmly in cheek is:</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><a href=3D"https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a15112705=
/2013-tesla-model-s-vs-1915-ford-model-t-race-of-the-centuries-feature/" re=
l=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">1915 Ford Model T vs. 2013 Tesla Model S: =
Race of
 the Centuries</a><br>
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<p style=3D"font-size:12px;line-height:16px;margin:0px;color:rgb(151,155,16=
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We stage a multi-state enduro to find out if today&#39;s automotive pioneer=
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<div>Paul Resch USA Cell phone 661-645-5266 email addresses <a href=3D"mail=
to:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> <a href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a></di=
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<div>On Tuesday, April 6, 2021, 12:47:33 PM CDT, Dan DiBiase &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&=
gt; wrote:
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Yes, there are 7000-something individual=C2=A0cells bundle=
d into about 15 modules that make up the battery pack in the Model 3/Y (77k=
Wh battery).
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<div>Dan D</div>
<div>Central NJ USA<br clear=3D"all">
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ow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a></=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 12:07 PM James Dillner &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"=
_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
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This is a bit off topic, but did anyone see the pictures of the Tesla wreck=
 where the battery pack tore apart?=C2=A0 There were thousands of little su=
b-c cells.....batteries.....scattered all over the place.=C2=A0 Somehow I n=
ever dreamed that those power packs were made
 up of cells all linked together.=C2=A0<br clear=3D"none">
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ct" target=3D"_blank">
[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mg-mga-mgb@googlegrou=
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[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">paulbhunt73=
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mgs] New MG Sports Car Concept</font>
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<div><font size=3D"2">Each to their own.=C2=A0 I can&#39;t see myself=C2=A0=
ever buying an EV based on the current range and recharging situation where=
 they are little more than toys for local journeys.=C2=A0 I</font><font siz=
e=3D"2">f=C2=A0I get to the point when I&#39;m still around and
 driving but=C2=A0run out of satisfactory used=C2=A0&#39;real&#39; cars=C2=
=A0to buy then I shall revert to using my V8 as a daily driver as I did bef=
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<div>Hans - one could argue that this concept IS a modern set-up.... ;-) Ba=
sed on my first month with my Tesla Model Y, I&#39;d absolutely consider an=
ything with an electric drivetrain from this point on. I don&#39;t plan to =
buy another internal combustion vehicle
 for my daily use.</div>
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From: Paul Root <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 14:32:23 -0500

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That said, I don't have an electric car. I've never spent near enough on a
car to get one.

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 2:30 PM Paul Root <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Jason of Engineering Explained, bought a Telsa Model 3 last year. He's
> done 2 2500 mile road trips, summer, and winter. And, of course, has done
>> Presuming the cars mission is the same.  Build quality similar, tire
>> usage and performance in real world use equivalent I did some comparisons.
>> Automatically changed.  SUVs might  have two batteries.  Trucks might
>> have more.
>>
>> The infrastructure of charging stations and having enough spigots is
>> tough to see until many years from now.
>>
>> *Cc:* mglist <[email-masked]>; MG-MGA-MGB <
>> [email-masked]>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">That said, I don&#39;t have an electric car. I&#39;ve neve=
r spent near enough=C2=A0on a car to get one.=C2=A0</div><br><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 2=
:30 PM Paul Root &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</=
a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0p=
x 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr">Jason of Engineering Explained, bought a Telsa=C2=A0Model 3 =
last year. He&#39;s done 2 2500 mile road trips, summer, and winter. And, o=
f course, has done youtube videos for them. Worth a look.=C2=A0<div><br></d=
iv><div>I hadn&#39;t heard that the batteries only last 50k miles. The firs=
t hit on a google search says 100-150k and/or 8 years.</div><div><br></div>=
</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">=
On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 2:19 PM Paul Noble &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:noblepa@hot=
mail.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><bl=
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le=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> &#39;Paul C Resch&#39; via MG-MGA-MGB &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">mg-mga-m=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
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The references I saw was 8 year 100k warranty for most of the US, 10 year
150K for California.

The closest apples to apples that I see would be the Ford Focus electric,
or the VW Golf E-something.

I think Telsa cost so much because they are luxury cars. Also, Telsa is
really a software company, not a car company. I'm still not convinced they
will make it as more car companies start building more electric cars.
Reports I've seen, is that build quality for the Model 3, especially, is
not great.

I don't buy cars very often, If I buy 4 more cars (daily drivers) in my
life, I would bet at least 2 will still have an engine.

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 3:06 PM Paul Noble <[email-masked]> wrote:

> When I said I had heard that batteries only lasted 50k miles, that was a
> few years ago. Perhaps I was misinformed or perhaps the batteries have
> improved.
>
> That said, I am still not convinced of the economics of the situation.
>
> It is difficult to make any kind of direct comparison between a gasoline
> and an electric car. No one has, to my knowledge, ever put a gasoline
> engine in a Tesla. And while there have been many conversions in the
> opposite direction (replacing a gas engine with electric), these were not
> production vehicles. All the ones I've seen have simply replaced the gas
> engine with an electric motor, while retaining the transmission, clutch and
> differential. This is not optimal.
>
> The closest comparison I've ever seen was between a gasoline Honda Civic
> and the hybrid version of the same car. IIRC, the gas version got around 40
> mpg, while the hybrid got 45. Given that the hybrid was over $3k more than
> the gas version, the payback period was many years.
>
> Why does a Tesla cost so much? Who knows. It is almost certainly, in part,
> because it is electric. But there are other factors, as well. Compared to
> GM, Honda and Toyota, the Tesla is a pretty limited production vehicle.
> Secondly, it costs a LOT of money to start a car company from the ground
> up. Just ask Malcom Bricklin or John DeLorean. It may also be that Elon
> Musk made a conscious decision to position the Tesla in an upscale market
> for luxury cars. For some buyers, the high price is not a hindrance, but
> the primary attraction.
>
> As far as EVs go, we're still in the early-adopter stage. As more and more
> vehicles become available, the economics will stabilize and the prices will
> come down.
>
> I'm guessing that in twenty years, maybe less, EVs will be the norm. Gas
> vehicles will be a niche product, sort of like vinyl records have become.
> Right now, there are teething pains that must be overcome, and technical
> improvements that must be made, but all that will happen. One area that I
> suspect gas vehicles can never compete with electric vehicles is emissions.
> Gas cars will never reach zero emissions. EVs are already there.
> *From:* Paul Root <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 6, 2021 3:30 PM
> *To:* Paul Noble <[email-masked]>
> *Cc:* mglist <[email-masked]>; MG-MGA-MGB <[email-masked]
> >
> *Subject:* Re: Off topic. Your mileage may vary. WAS Re: [Mgs] New MG
> Sports Car Concept
>
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mg-mga-mgb/DM5PR2201MB173898DE95989A996B4CD855B4769%40DM5PR2201MB1738.namprd22.prod.outlook.com
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mg-mga-mgb/DM5PR2201MB173898DE95989A996B4CD855B4769%40DM5PR2201MB1738.namprd22.prod.outlook.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">The references I saw was 8 year 100k warranty=C2=A0for mos=
t of the US, 10 year 150K for California.=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>The clos=
est apples to apples that I see would be the Ford Focus electric, or the VW=
 Golf E-something.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>I think Telsa=C2=A0cost s=
o much because they are luxury cars. Also, Telsa=C2=A0is really a software =
company, not a car company. I&#39;m still not convinced they will make it a=
s more car companies start building more electric cars. Reports I&#39;ve se=
en,=C2=A0is that build quality for the Model 3, especially, is not great.=
=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>I don&#39;t buy cars very often, If I buy 4=
 more cars (daily drivers) in my life, I would bet at least 2 will still ha=
ve an engine.=C2=A0</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"l=
tr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 3:06 PM Paul Noble &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></=
div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bor=
der-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">

<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
<span>When I said I had heard that batteries only lasted 50k miles, that wa=
s a few years=C2=A0ago. Perhaps I was misinformed or perhaps the batteries =
have improved.</span></div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
<span><br>
</span></div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
<span>That said, I am still not convinced of the economics of the situation=
.</span></div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
<span><br>
</span></div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
<span>It is difficult to make any kind of direct comparison between a gasol=
ine and an electric car. No one has, to my knowledge, ever put a gasoline e=
ngine in a Tesla. And while there have been many conversions in the opposit=
e direction (replacing a gas engine
 with electric), these were not production vehicles. All the ones I&#39;ve =
seen have simply replaced the gas engine with an electric motor, while reta=
ining the transmission, clutch and differential. This is not optimal.=C2=A0=
</span></div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
<span><br>
</span></div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
<span>The closest comparison I&#39;ve ever seen was between a gasoline Hond=
a Civic and the hybrid version of the same car. IIRC, the gas version got a=
round 40 mpg, while the hybrid got 45. Given that the hybrid was over $3k m=
ore than the gas version, the payback
 period was many years.</span></div>
<div>
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<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
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</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
Why does a Tesla cost so much? Who knows. It is almost certainly, in part, =
because it is electric. But there are other factors, as well. Compared to G=
M, Honda and Toyota, the Tesla is a pretty limited production vehicle. Seco=
ndly, it costs a LOT of money to
 start a car company from the ground up. Just ask Malcom Bricklin or John D=
eLorean. It may also be that Elon Musk made a conscious decision to positio=
n the Tesla in an upscale market for luxury cars. For some buyers, the high=
 price is not a hindrance, but the
 primary attraction.</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
As far as EVs go, we&#39;re still in the early-adopter stage. As more and m=
ore vehicles become available, the economics will stabilize and the prices =
will come down.=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
I&#39;m guessing that in twenty years, maybe less, EVs will be the norm. Ga=
s vehicles will be a niche product, sort of like vinyl records have become.=
 Right now, there are teething pains that must be overcome, and technical i=
mprovements that must be made, but all
 that will happen. One area that I suspect gas vehicles can never compete w=
ith electric vehicles is emissions. Gas cars will never reach zero emission=
s. EVs are already there.</div>
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or=3D"#000000" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>Fro=
m:</b> Paul Root &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 6, 2021 3:30 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Paul Noble &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"=
_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> mglist &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blan=
k">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; MG-MGA-MGB &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mg-mga-mgb@=
googlegroups.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Off topic. Your mileage may vary. WAS Re: [Mgs] New MG =
Sports Car Concept</font>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
</div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Jason of Engineering Explained, bought a Telsa=C2=A0Model =
3 last year. He&#39;s done 2 2500 mile road trips, summer, and winter. And,=
 of course, has done youtube videos for them. Worth a look.=C2=A0
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I hadn&#39;t heard that the batteries only last 50k miles. The first h=
it on a google search says 100-150k and/or 8 years.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 2:19 PM Paul Noble &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wr=
ote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204=
,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
<span>I&#39;ve wondered about the same things, regarding electric and hybri=
d cars.</span></div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
<span><br>
</span></div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
<span>Another thing to consider is that lithium is environmentally problema=
tic, both in mining it and disposing of it.</span></div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
<span><br>
</span></div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
<span>The problem is that gasoline is still one of the most economical, saf=
est and densest way to transport energy. In most cases, a tank of gasoline =
will take a car farther than a fully charged battery will.</span></div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
<span><br>
</span></div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
<span>The battery pack is usually much larger than the gas tank, and a lot =
heavier.</span></div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
<span><br>
</span></div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
<span>I&#39;ve never owned a Prius or any other hybrid, but I&#39;ve heard =
that you&#39;re lucky to get 50,000 miles on a set of batteries. Replacing =
them costs about $3-4k. That&#39;s one reason I wouldn&#39;t even consider =
a used Prius, unless the seller showed me receipts for
 a very recent battery replacement. A Prius (or Tesla for that matter) with=
out batteries is like a conventional car without an engine. It might be a g=
ood deal, but you have to factor in the cost of replacing the batteries or =
engine.</span></div>
<div>
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onsend"></div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
<br>
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<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
Current (no pun intended) technology requires, I believe, a couple of hours=
, at least, to recharge a fully depleted set of batteries on a fully electr=
ic vehicle. That makes long trips a problem, if you have to stop every four=
 hours for a two hour recharge.
 They could probably speed up the charging process but that would require m=
uch higher voltages or current flow, both of which can be dangerous and cre=
ate heat dissipation problems.</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
I&#39;ve heard stories that rescue workers have been injured when trying to=
 cut someone out of a crashed hybrid vehicle and accidentally cut through t=
he main battery cable. I know that first responders have been trained for t=
his now, but this remains a problem.</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
<br>
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<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
Of course, there is a chicken/egg problem with public charging stations. No=
 one wants to spend a lot of money installing public charging stations unti=
l there are a lot of EVs to use them. Conversely, many buyers are reluctant=
 to buy an EV because there are
 not many public charging stations. That is why one of the features of the =
proposed infrastructure bill now being debated in Congress includes funding=
 to build charging stations.</div>
<hr style=3D"display:inline-block;width:98%">
<div id=3D"gmail-m_-3434465552149103660x_gmail-m_-6992287651865967615divRpl=
yFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" s=
tyle=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> &#39;Paul C Resch&#39; via MG-MGA-MGB =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">mg-mga=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 6, 2021 2:49 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> James Dillner &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; Dan DiBiase &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> PaulBHunt73 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; mglist &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgs=
@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; MG-MGA-MGB &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">mg-mga-=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Off topic. Your mileage may vary. WAS Re: [Mgs] New MG Spor=
ts Car Concept</font>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
</div>
<div>
<div style=3D"font-family:&quot;times new roman&quot;,&quot;new york&quot;,=
times,serif;font-size:16px">
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">I am just looking to have a discussion, not an angry argum=
ent but feel I am missing something.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">When I had a Mazda6 I noticed the similarity to the Tesla =
S. Turns out same guy Franz von Holzhausen designed both.=C2=A0 Pretty simi=
lar.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Presuming the cars mission is the same.=C2=A0 Build qualit=
y similar, tire usage and performance in real world use equivalent I did so=
me comparisons.=C2=A0 Stupid fast Tesla acceleration is as useless as the M=
asda6&#39;s 600 mile per tank range.=C2=A0 =C2=A0My bladder
 needs stops more frequently than 9 hours.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">In 100,000 miles Tesla recharges ($22.00 for 250 miles, I =
got this from Tesla) would run $8,800.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">In 100.00 at $2.75 a gallon, 35 miles per US Gallon and 10=
 - $65 oil changes the total is about $8,500.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">But the Tesla costs over $70,000 and the Mazda6 half that.=
</div>
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</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Even if recharging at home was free, in 100,000 I am $25,0=
00 dollars ahead.=C2=A0 I am negating resale.=C2=A0 A 100,000 Mazda6 is nic=
ely broken in.. What&#39;s the $16.000 Tesla&#39;s battery life expectancy.=
=C2=A0 I just do not know.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">And a trip such as I just took to Montana last October, 5,=
000 miles would be nearly impossible.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">I was in areas where gas stations were few and far between=
 and charging non-existent.=C2=A0 One hotel out of 13 had charging stations=
.=C2=A0 Rapid charging hurts battery life.=C2=A0 Standing around for a half=
 hour a couple of times a day could get old.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">I think the European model of changeable battery packs is =
what will win.</div>
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</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Design a platform where you pull in, drop the vehicle into=
 a system much like an automated car wash, and come back in 5 minutes with =
a fresh battery.=C2=A0 Changed from below.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Automatically changed.=C2=A0 SUVs might=C2=A0 have two bat=
teries.=C2=A0 Trucks might have more.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Your state of charge, car&#39;s pathway and prediction of =
needed packs would report to your car your assigned swap spot so A: you kne=
w you would have a battery ready and B: that there was no need to squeeze e=
very last drop out of yours.=C2=A0 You&#39;d pay
 a charge to belong to the system and what your battery had left. So if you=
 wanted to stop every 2 hours for a rest break, just swap the half used bat=
tery.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">I learned that in Wolfsburg&#39;s VW factory it is rare fo=
r the same model to be built in order as the robots don&#39;t care.</div>
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</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">The infrastructure of charging stations and having enough =
spigots is tough to see until many years from now.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">So please, I take trips, not a lot and yes, I could just r=
ent a car for trips, but the current model works for me.</div>
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</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">A fun read on this topic, tongue firmly in cheek is:</div>
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I own a 2007 Prius, it has just over 63K miles on it. It has two 
batteries.  One is a flooded lead acid,  used for the same thing any car 
uses its 12 volt battery for. The other (motor) battery is not lithium, 
it's NiCd, commonly called nicad.  It shares with the engine in moving 
the car.  Newer Prius use NiMH motor  batteries up until 2015.  IN 2015 
and later  Prius have NiMH or lithium ion, depending on model.  The 
motor battery in my Prius is still under warranty because it was a 
"Toyota Certified" used car, bought from a Toyota dealer with less than 
10K miles on the clock.

That motor battery is under the rear passenger seat and is encapsulated 
in a housing.  The gas tank is larger in volume.

Now, my Prius is not an EV, it's a hybrid gas/electric vehicle. It runs 
on gasoline, uses the motor battery as an aid to movement when needed.  
When I back out of my driveway it's an electric car.  When I take off 
down the street the engine kicks on as needed.  OOPS, not quite true.  
When I start my Prius from dead cold, the engine will start and run 
until the catalytic converter warms up, then the engine shuts down until 
needed to move the car. When the engine is not running it's an EV but it 
recharges itself.

When running down the road my Prius is a 1.5 liter, 4 cylinder, gas 
car.  Stand on the throttle and it's a 3 liter V6 when the electric 
motor kicks in, which is instantaneous.  It's a great, comfortable road 
car with fine freeway performance.

But, it's not an MGB.

CR

On 4/6/2021 2:32 PM, Paul Root wrote:
> That said, I don't have an electric car. I've never spent near 
> enough on a car to get one.
>
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 2:30 PM Paul Root <[email-masked] 
>
>     Jason of Engineering Explained, bought a Telsa Model 3 last year.
>     He's done 2 2500 mile road trips, summer, and winter. And, of
>     course, has done youtube videos for them. Worth a look.
>
>     I hadn't heard that the batteries only last 50k miles. The first
>     hit on a google search says 100-150k and/or 8 years.
>
>
>     On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 2:19 PM Paul Noble <[email-masked]
>
>         Another thing to consider is that lithium is environmentally
>         problematic, both in mining it and disposing of it.
>
>         The problem is that gasoline is still one of the most
>         economical, safest and densest way to transport energy. In
>         most cases, a tank of gasoline will take a car farther than a
>         fully charged battery will.
>
>         The battery pack is usually much larger than the gas tank, and
>         a lot heavier.
>
>         I've never owned a Prius or any other hybrid, but I've heard
>         that you're lucky to get 50,000 miles on a set of batteries.
>         Replacing them costs about $3-4k. That's one reason I wouldn't
>         even consider a used Prius, unless the seller showed me
>         receipts for a very recent battery replacement. A Prius (or
>         Tesla for that matter) without batteries is like a
>         conventional car without an engine. It might be a good deal,
>         but you have to factor in the cost of replacing the batteries
>         or engine.
>
>         Current (no pun intended) technology requires, I believe, a
>         couple of hours, at least, to recharge a fully depleted set of
>         batteries on a fully electric vehicle. That makes long trips a
>         problem, if you have to stop every four hours for a two hour
>         recharge. They could probably speed up the charging process
>         but that would require much higher voltages or current flow,
>         both of which can be dangerous and create heat dissipation
>         problems.
>
>         I've heard stories that rescue workers have been injured when
>         trying to cut someone out of a crashed hybrid vehicle and
>         accidentally cut through the main battery cable. I know that
>         first responders have been trained for this now, but this
>         remains a problem.
>
>         Of course, there is a chicken/egg problem with public charging
>         stations. No one wants to spend a lot of money installing
>         public charging stations until there are a lot of EVs to use
>         them. Conversely, many buyers are reluctant to buy an EV
>         because there are not many public charging stations. That is
>         why one of the features of the proposed infrastructure bill
>         now being debated in Congress includes funding to build
>         charging stations.
>         ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>         *From:* 'Paul C Resch' via MG-MGA-MGB
>         *To:* James Dillner <[email-masked]
>         *Cc:* PaulBHunt73 <[email-masked]
>         *Subject:* Off topic. Your mileage may vary. WAS Re: [Mgs] New
>         MG Sports Car Concept
>         I am just looking to have a discussion, not an angry argument
>         but feel I am missing something.
>
>         When I had a Mazda6 I noticed the similarity to the Tesla S.
>         Turns out same guy Franz von Holzhausen designed both.  Pretty
>         similar.
>
>         Presuming the cars mission is the same.  Build quality
>         similar, tire usage and performance in real world use
>         equivalent I did some comparisons.  Stupid fast Tesla
>         acceleration is as useless as the Masda6's 600 mile per tank
>         range.   My bladder needs stops more frequently than 9 hours.
>
>         In 100,000 miles Tesla recharges ($22.00 for 250 miles, I got
>         this from Tesla) would run $8,800.
>
>         In 100.00 at $2.75 a gallon, 35 miles per US Gallon and 10 -
>         $65 oil changes the total is about $8,500.
>
>         Even if recharging at home was free, in 100,000 I am $25,000
>         dollars ahead. I am negating resale.  A 100,000 Mazda6 is
>         nicely broken in.. What's the $16.000 Tesla's battery life
>         expectancy.  I just do not know.
>
>         And a trip such as I just took to Montana last October, 5,000
>         miles would be nearly impossible.
>
>         I was in areas where gas stations were few and far between and
>         charging non-existent.  One hotel out of 13 had charging
>         stations.  Rapid charging hurts battery life.  Standing around
>         for a half hour a couple of times a day could get old.
>
>         Design a platform where you pull in, drop the vehicle into a
>         system much like an automated car wash, and come back in 5
>         minutes with a fresh battery.  Changed from below.
>
>         Automatically changed.  SUVs might  have two batteries. 
>         Trucks might have more.
>
>         Your state of charge, car's pathway and prediction of needed
>         packs would report to your car your assigned swap spot so A:
>         you knew you would have a battery ready and B: that there was
>         no need to squeeze every last drop out of yours.  You'd pay a
>         charge to belong to the system and what your battery had left.
>         So if you wanted to stop every 2 hours for a rest break, just
>         I learned that in Wolfsburg's VW factory it is rare for the
>         same model to be built in order as the robots don't care.
>
>         The infrastructure of charging stations and having enough
>         spigots is tough to see until many years from now.
>
>         So please, I take trips, not a lot and yes, I could just rent
>         a car for trips, but the current model works for me.
>
>         We stage a multi-state enduro to find out if today's
>         automotive pioneer can outrun its predecessor.
>
>         Paul Resch USA Cell phone 661-645-5266 email addresses
>
>
>         On Tuesday, April 6, 2021, 12:47:33 PM CDT, Dan DiBiase
>
>
>         Yes, there are 7000-something individual cells bundled into
>         about 15 modules that make up the battery pack in the Model
>         3/Y (77kWh battery).
>
>         Dan D
>         Central NJ USA
>         <http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/>
>
>
>         On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 12:07 PM James Dillner
>
>             This is a bit off topic, but did anyone see the pictures
>             of the Tesla wreck where the battery pack tore apart? 
>             There were thousands of little sub-c
>             cells.....batteries.....scattered all over the place. 
>             Somehow I never dreamed that those power packs were made
>             up of cells all linked together.
>
>             ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>             *From:* [email-masked]
>             <[email-masked]
>             PaulBHunt73 <[email-masked]
>             *Cc:* mglist <[email-masked]
>             <[email-masked]
>             Each to their own.  I can't see myself ever buying an EV
>             based on the current range and recharging situation where
>             they are little more than toys for local journeys.  If I
>             get to the point when I'm still around and driving but run
>             out of satisfactory used 'real' cars to buy then I shall
>                 Hans - one could argue that this concept IS a modern
>                 set-up.... ;-) Based on my first month with my Tesla
>                 Model Y, I'd absolutely consider anything with an
>                 electric drivetrain from this point on. I don't plan
>                 to buy another internal combustion vehicle for my
>                 daily use.
>
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    <p>I own a 2007 Prius, it has just over 63K miles on it. It has two
      batteries.  One is a flooded lead acid,  used for the same thing
      any car uses its 12 volt battery for. The other (motor) battery is
      not lithium, it's NiCd, commonly called nicad.  It shares with the
      engine in moving the car.  Newer Prius use NiMH motor  batteries
      up until 2015.  IN 2015 and later  Prius have NiMH or lithium ion,
      depending on model.  The motor battery in my Prius is still under
      warranty because it was a "Toyota Certified" used car, bought from
      a Toyota dealer with less than 10K miles on the clock.</p>
    <p>That motor battery is under the rear passenger seat and is
      encapsulated in a housing.  The gas tank is larger in volume.</p>
    <p>Now, my Prius is not an EV, it's a hybrid gas/electric vehicle. 
      It runs on gasoline, uses the motor battery as an aid to movement
      when needed.  When I back out of my driveway it's an electric
      car.  When I take off down the street the engine kicks on as
      needed.  OOPS, not quite true.  When I start my Prius from dead
      cold, the engine will start and run until the catalytic converter
      warms up, then the engine shuts down until needed to move the car.
      When the engine is not running it's an EV but it recharges
      itself.  <br>
    </p>
    <p>When running down the road my Prius is a 1.5 liter, 4 cylinder,
      gas car.  Stand on the throttle and it's a 3 liter V6 when the
      electric motor kicks in, which is instantaneous.  It's a great,
      comfortable road car with fine freeway performance.  <br>
    </p>
    <p>But, it's not an MGB.</p>
    <p><br>
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    <p>CR<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/6/2021 2:32 PM, Paul Root wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">That said, I don't have an electric car. I've never
        spent near enough on a car to get one. </div>
      <br>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 2:30 PM
          Paul Root &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]"
            moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
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          <div dir="ltr">Jason of Engineering Explained, bought a
            Telsa Model 3 last year. He's done 2 2500 mile road trips,
            summer, and winter. And, of course, has done youtube videos
            for them. Worth a look. 
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>I hadn't heard that the batteries only last 50k miles.
              The first hit on a google search says 100-150k and/or 8
              years.</div>
            <div><br>
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          <br>
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            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at
              2:19 PM Paul Noble &lt;<a
                href="mailto:[email-masked]" target="_blank"
                moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
              wrote:<br>
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                <div
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><span>I've
                    wondered about the same things, regarding electric
                    and hybrid cars.</span></div>
                <div
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><span><br>
                  </span></div>
                <div
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><span>Another
                    thing to consider is that lithium is environmentally
                    problematic, both in mining it and disposing of it.</span></div>
                <div
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><span><br>
                  </span></div>
                <div
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><span>The
                    problem is that gasoline is still one of the most
                    economical, safest and densest way to transport
                    energy. In most cases, a tank of gasoline will take
                    a car farther than a fully charged battery will.</span></div>
                <div
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><span><br>
                  </span></div>
                <div
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><span>The
                    battery pack is usually much larger than the gas
                    tank, and a lot heavier.</span></div>
                <div
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><span><br>
                  </span></div>
                <div
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><span>I've
                    never owned a Prius or any other hybrid, but I've
                    heard that you're lucky to get 50,000 miles on a set
                    of batteries. Replacing them costs about $3-4k.
                    That's one reason I wouldn't even consider a used
                    Prius, unless the seller showed me receipts for a
                    very recent battery replacement. A Prius (or Tesla
                    for that matter) without batteries is like a
                    conventional car without an engine. It might be a
                    good deal, but you have to factor in the cost of
                    replacing the batteries or engine.</span></div>
                <div>
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                  <div
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">Current
                    (no pun intended) technology requires, I believe, a
                    couple of hours, at least, to recharge a fully
                    depleted set of batteries on a fully electric
                    vehicle. That makes long trips a problem, if you
                    have to stop every four hours for a two hour
                    recharge. They could probably speed up the charging
                    process but that would require much higher voltages
                    or current flow, both of which can be dangerous and
                    create heat dissipation problems.</div>
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                  <div
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">I've
                    heard stories that rescue workers have been injured
                    when trying to cut someone out of a crashed hybrid
                    vehicle and accidentally cut through the main
                    battery cable. I know that first responders have
                    been trained for this now, but this remains a
                    problem.</div>
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                  <div
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">Of
                    course, there is a chicken/egg problem with public
                    charging stations. No one wants to spend a lot of
                    money installing public charging stations until
                    there are a lot of EVs to use them. Conversely, many
                    buyers are reluctant to buy an EV because there are
                    not many public charging stations. That is why one
                    of the features of the proposed infrastructure bill
                    now being debated in Congress includes funding to
                    build charging stations.</div>
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                      WAS Re: [Mgs] New MG Sports Car Concept</font>
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                        <div dir="ltr">I am just looking to have a
                          discussion, not an angry argument but feel I
                          am missing something.</div>
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                        </div>
                        <div dir="ltr">When I had a Mazda6 I noticed the
                          similarity to the Tesla S. Turns out same guy
                          Franz von Holzhausen designed both.  Pretty
                          similar.</div>
                        <div dir="ltr"><br>
                        </div>
                        <div dir="ltr">Presuming the cars mission is the
                          same.  Build quality similar, tire usage and
                          performance in real world use equivalent I did
                          some comparisons.  Stupid fast Tesla
                          acceleration is as useless as the Masda6's 600
                          mile per tank range.   My bladder needs stops
                          more frequently than 9 hours.</div>
                        <div dir="ltr"><br>
                        </div>
                        <div dir="ltr">In 100,000 miles Tesla recharges
                          ($22.00 for 250 miles, I got this from Tesla)
                          would run $8,800.</div>
                        <div dir="ltr"><br>
                        </div>
                        <div dir="ltr">In 100.00 at $2.75 a gallon, 35
                          miles per US Gallon and 10 - $65 oil changes
                          the total is about $8,500.</div>
                        <div dir="ltr"><br>
                        </div>
                        <div dir="ltr">But the Tesla costs over $70,000
                          and the Mazda6 half that.</div>
                        <div dir="ltr"><br>
                        </div>
                        <div dir="ltr">Even if recharging at home was
                          free, in 100,000 I am $25,000 dollars ahead. 
                          I am negating resale.  A 100,000 Mazda6 is
                          nicely broken in.. What's the $16.000 Tesla's
                          battery life expectancy.  I just do not know.</div>
                        <div dir="ltr"><br>
                        </div>
                        <div dir="ltr">And a trip such as I just took to
                          Montana last October, 5,000 miles would be
                          nearly impossible.</div>
                        <div dir="ltr"><br>
                        </div>
                        <div dir="ltr">I was in areas where gas stations
                          were few and far between and charging
                          non-existent.  One hotel out of 13 had
                          charging stations.  Rapid charging hurts
                          battery life.  Standing around for a half hour
                          a couple of times a day could get old.</div>
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                        </div>
                        <div dir="ltr">I think the European model of
                          changeable battery packs is what will win.</div>
                        <div dir="ltr"><br>
                        </div>
                        <div dir="ltr">Design a platform where you pull
                          in, drop the vehicle into a system much like
                          an automated car wash, and come back in 5
                          minutes with a fresh battery.  Changed from
                          below.</div>
                        <div dir="ltr"><br>
                        </div>
                        <div dir="ltr">Automatically changed.  SUVs
                          might  have two batteries.  Trucks might have
                          more.</div>
                        <div dir="ltr"><br>
                        </div>
                        <div dir="ltr">Your state of charge, car's
                          pathway and prediction of needed packs would
                          report to your car your assigned swap spot so
                          A: you knew you would have a battery ready and
                          B: that there was no need to squeeze every
                          last drop out of yours.  You'd pay a charge to
                          belong to the system and what your battery had
                          left. So if you wanted to stop every 2 hours
                          for a rest break, just swap the half used
                          battery.</div>
                        <div dir="ltr"><br>
                        </div>
                        <div dir="ltr">I learned that in Wolfsburg's VW
                          factory it is rare for the same model to be
                          built in order as the robots don't care.</div>
                        <div dir="ltr"><br>
                        </div>
                        <div dir="ltr">The infrastructure of charging
                          stations and having enough spigots is tough to
                          see until many years from now.</div>
                        <div dir="ltr"><br>
                        </div>
                        <div dir="ltr">So please, I take trips, not a
                          lot and yes, I could just rent a car for
                          trips, but the current model works for me.</div>
                        <div dir="ltr"><br>
                        </div>
                        <div dir="ltr">A fun read on this topic, tongue
                          firmly in cheek is:</div>
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                        <div dir="ltr"><a
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                            2013 Tesla Model S: Race of the Centuries</a><br>
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                                                      stage a
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                        <div>Paul Resch USA Cell phone 661-645-5266
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                        <div>On Tuesday, April 6, 2021, 12:47:33 PM CDT,
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                              <div dir="ltr">Yes, there are
                                7000-something individual cells bundled
                                into about 15 modules that make up the
                                battery pack in the Model 3/Y (77kWh
                                battery).
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                                <div>Dan D</div>
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                                  <div dir="ltr">On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at
                                    12:07 PM James Dillner &lt;<a
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                                      <div
style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">This
                                        is a bit off topic, but did
                                        anyone see the pictures of the
                                        Tesla wreck where the battery
                                        pack tore apart?  There were
                                        thousands of little sub-c
                                        cells.....batteries.....scattered
                                        all over the place.  Somehow I
                                        never dreamed that those power
                                        packs were made up of cells all
                                        linked together. <br
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                                            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mgs]
                                            New MG Sports Car Concept</font>
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                                          <div><font size="2">Each to
                                              their own.  I can't see
                                              myself ever buying an EV
                                              based on the current range
                                              and recharging situation
                                              where they are little more
                                              than toys for local
                                              journeys.  I</font><font
                                              size="2">f I get to the
                                              point when I'm still
                                              around and driving but run
                                              out of satisfactory
                                              used 'real' cars to buy
                                              then I shall revert to
                                              using my V8 as a daily
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                                              <div>Hans - one could
                                                argue that this concept
                                                IS a modern set-up....
                                                ;-) Based on my first
                                                month with my Tesla
                                                Model Y, I'd absolutely
                                                consider anything with
                                                an electric drivetrain
                                                from this point on. I
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On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 11:50 PM Charles Robinson <[email-masked]> wrote:

>
> When running down the road my Prius is a 1.5 liter, 4 cylinder, gas car.
> Stand on the throttle and it's a 3 liter V6 when the electric motor kicks
> in, which is instantaneous.  It's a great, comfortable road car with fine
> freeway performance.
>
What does that make my Tesla when I stand on the throttle?

> But, it's not an MGB.
But, it's not an MGA.

Simon

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r,
      gas car.=C2=A0 Stand on the throttle and it&#39;s a 3 liter V6 when t=
he
      electric motor kicks in, which is instantaneous.=C2=A0 It&#39;s a gre=
at,
      comfortable road car with fine freeway performance.=C2=A0 <br></p></d=
iv></blockquote><div>What does that make my Tesla when I stand on the throt=
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    </p>
    <p>But, it&#39;s not an MGB.</p></div></blockquote><div>But, it&#39;s n=
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If you really want the look and feel of an MG roadster in a modern setup, I=
=E2=80=99d opt for the Mazda MX5 =E2=80=93 Miata.

Cheers,

Hans

71 BGT still hibernating, as the snow falls=E2=80=A6

Van: Mgs <[email-masked]> Namens Paul Root
Verzonden: vrijdag 2 april 2021 18:26
Aan: Dan DiBiase <[email-masked]>
CC: mglist <[email-masked]>; MG-MGA-MGB <[email-masked]>
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] New MG Sports Car Concept

The world has gone SUV. This is eye-candy to get people to think MG, but it=
 will never come out. 

I don't really like the angles, you can't really see what it would look lik=
e. 

They have had a number of concepts over the last few years that all "harken=
 back" or "reminisce" about past cars. But they never go forward.  All the =
companies do that. Nissan really got me 5 years ago when they did a retro 5=
10 thing. I was ready to buy that. But after saying they really want to thi=
nk about building it, they just dropped it. 

[email-masked]> > wrote:

Interesting concept car. 

https://electrek.co/2021/04/01/mg-motor-unveils-cyberster-electric-sports-c=
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Dan D

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=99d opt for the Mazda MX5 =E2=80=93 Miata.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=
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/b> Mgs &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>Namens </b>Paul Root<br><b>Ve=
rzonden:</b> vrijdag 2 april 2021 18:26<br><b>Aan:</b> Dan DiBiase &lt;dan.=
[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>CC:</b> mglist &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; MG-M=
GA-MGB &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] N=
ew MG Sports Car Concept<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>The world has gone SUV. This is eye-c=
andy to get people to think MG, but it will never come out.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p=
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</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>They have had a number of concept=
s over the last few years that all &quot;harken back&quot; or &quot;reminis=
ce&quot; about past cars. But they never go forward.&nbsp; All the companie=
s do that. Nissan really got me 5 years ago when they did a retro 510 thing=
=2E I was ready to buy that. But after saying they really want to think abo=
ut building it, they just dropped it.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>There i=
s also the part about MG won't come back to the US.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></d=
iv></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMso=
Normal>On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 10:33 AM Dan DiBiase &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:da=
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Sure, however the only one I really fit in is the first gen. My boss did
have a 2nd gen that he added a turbo to ,and let me drive it once. If I
owned it, I probably wouldn't have a license anymore. I could only drive
that with the top down.

Same thing with the 370Z. I can't even get in the coupe.

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 7:41 AM <[email-masked]> wrote:

> If you really want the look and feel of an MG roadster in a modern setup,
> I=E2=80=99d opt for the Mazda MX5 =E2=80=93 Miata.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Hans
>
> *Van:* Mgs <[email-masked]> *Namens *Paul Root
> *Verzonden:* vrijdag 2 april 2021 18:26
> *Aan:* Dan DiBiase <[email-masked]>
> *CC:* mglist <[email-masked]>; MG-MGA-MGB <[email-masked]=
m
> >
> *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] New MG Sports Car Concept
>
>
>
> The world has gone SUV. This is eye-candy to get people to think MG, but
> it will never come out.
>
>
>
> They have had a number of concepts over the last few years that all
> "harken back" or "reminisce" about past cars. But they never go forward.
> All the companies do that. Nissan really got me 5 years ago when they did=
 a
> retro 510 thing. I was ready to buy that. But after saying they really wa=
nt
> to think about building it, they just dropped it.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 10:33 AM Dan DiBiase <[email-masked]> wrote=
:
>
> Interesting concept car.
>
>
>
>
> https://electrek.co/2021/04/01/mg-motor-unveils-cyberster-electric-sports=
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> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mg-mga-mgb/CABxEc%2BksTrpcHsq61tmMoo0C-=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Sure, however the only one I really fit in is the first ge=
n. My boss did have a 2nd gen that he added a turbo to ,and let me drive it=
 once. If I owned it, I probably wouldn&#39;t have a license anymore. I cou=
ld only drive that with the top down.=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>Same thing w=
ith the 370Z. I can&#39;t even get in the coupe.=C2=A0</div></div><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 6, =
2021 at 7:41 AM &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">h.duinhoven@pl=
anet.nl</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-lef=
t:1ex"><div lang=3D"NL" style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class=3D"=
gmail-m_8263422997188637202WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=
=3D"EN-GB">If you really want the look and feel of an MG roadster in a mode=
rn setup, I=E2=80=99d opt for the Mazda MX5 =E2=80=93 Miata.<u></u><u></u><=
/span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u><=
/span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Cheers,<u></u><u></u>=
</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Hans<u></u><u></u></=
span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">71 BGT still hibernati=
ng, as the snow falls=E2=80=A6<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div style=3D"border=
-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(22=
5,225,225);padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>Van:</b> Mgs &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">mgs-bounces=
@autox.team.net</a>&gt; <b>Namens </b>Paul Root<br><b>Verzonden:</b> vrijda=
g 2 april 2021 18:26<br><b>Aan:</b> Dan DiBiase &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dan.d=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>CC:=
</b> mglist &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">mgs=
@autox.team.net</a>&gt;; MG-MGA-MGB &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:MG-MGA-MGB@google=
groups.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Ond=
erwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] New MG Sports Car Concept<u></u><u></u></p></div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">The =
world has gone SUV. This is eye-candy to get people to think MG, but it wil=
l never come out.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u=
>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I don&#39;t really like=
 the angles, you can&#39;t really see what it would look like.=C2=A0<u></u>=
<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div>=
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">They have had a number of concepts over the las=
t few years that all &quot;harken back&quot; or &quot;reminisce&quot; about=
 past cars. But they never go forward.=C2=A0 All the companies do that. Nis=
san really got me 5 years ago when they did a retro 510 thing. I was ready =
to buy that. But after saying they really want to think about building it, =
they just dropped it.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">There is also=
 the part about MG won&#39;t come back to the US.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></=
div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 10:33 AM Dan DiBiase &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt=
; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border=
-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);paddi=
ng:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal">Interesting concept=C2=A0car.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a=
 href=3D"https://electrek.co/2021/04/01/mg-motor-unveils-cyberster-electric=
-sports-car-concept/" target=3D"_blank">https://electrek.co/2021/04/01/mg-m=
otor-unveils-cyberster-electric-sports-car-concept/</a><u></u><u></u></p></=
div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">Dan D<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&#3=
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My brother in law has the current gen, and it's a little tough to get out
of. Once it in fits nicely but it's very low.

Dan D
'21 Tesla MY, '76B, '65B
Central NJ USA

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>> *CC:* mglist <[email-masked]>; MG-MGA-MGB <
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<div dir=3D"ltr">My brother in law has the current gen, and it&#39;s a litt=
le tough to get out of. Once it in fits nicely but it&#39;s very low.=C2=A0=
<div><br></div><div>Hans - one could argue that this concept IS a modern se=
t-up.... ;-) Based on my first month with my Tesla Model Y, I&#39;d absolut=
ely consider anything with an electric drivetrain from this point on. I don=
&#39;t plan to buy another internal combustion vehicle for my daily use.</d=
iv><div><br></div><div>Dan D</div><div>&#39;21 Tesla MY, &#39;76B, &#39;65B=
</div><div>Central NJ USA<br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"g=
mail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><a href=
=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://dandibiase.c=
bintouch.com/</a></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_=
quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 8:54 AM=
 Paul Root &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px =
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=
=3D"ltr">Sure, however the only one I really fit in is the first gen. My bo=
ss did have a 2nd gen that he added a turbo to ,and let me drive it once. I=
f I owned it, I probably wouldn&#39;t have a license anymore. I could only =
drive that with the top down.=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>Same thing with the =
370Z. I can&#39;t even get in the coupe.=C2=A0</div></div><br><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at =
7:41 AM &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">h.du=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);p=
adding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"NL"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D=
"EN-GB">If you really want the look and feel of an MG roadster in a modern =
setup, I=E2=80=99d opt for the Mazda MX5 =E2=80=93 Miata.<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></sp=
an></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Cheers,<u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Hans<u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">71 BGT still hibernating,=
 as the snow falls=E2=80=A6<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div style=3D"border-ri=
ght:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,2=
25,225);padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>Van:</b> Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">mgs-bounces@au=
tox.team.net</a>&gt; <b>Namens </b>Paul Root<br><b>Verzonden:</b> vrijdag 2=
 april 2021 18:26<br><b>Aan:</b> Dan DiBiase &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dan.dibi=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>CC:</b=
> mglist &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">mgs@au=
tox.team.net</a>&gt;; MG-MGA-MGB &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:MG-MGA-MGB@googlegro=
ups.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Onderw=
erp:</b> Re: [Mgs] New MG Sports Car Concept<u></u><u></u></p></div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">The wor=
ld has gone SUV. This is eye-candy to get people to think MG, but it will n=
ever come out.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I don&#39;t really like =
the angles, you can&#39;t really see what it would look like.=C2=A0<u></u><=
u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">They have had a number of concepts over the last=
 few years that all &quot;harken back&quot; or &quot;reminisce&quot; about =
past cars. But they never go forward.=C2=A0 All the companies do that. Niss=
an really got me 5 years ago when they did a retro 510 thing. I was ready t=
o buy that. But after saying they really want to think about building it, t=
hey just dropped it.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">There is also =
the part about MG won&#39;t come back to the US.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></d=
iv></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 10:33 AM Dan DiBiase &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt=
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ng:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal">Interesting concept=C2=A0car.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a=
 href=3D"https://electrek.co/2021/04/01/mg-motor-unveils-cyberster-electric=
-sports-car-concept/" target=3D"_blank">https://electrek.co/2021/04/01/mg-m=
otor-unveils-cyberster-electric-sports-car-concept/</a><u></u><u></u></p></=
div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=
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> never dreamed that those power packs were made up of cells all linked

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Yes, there are 7000-something individual=C2=A0cells bundle=
d into about 15 modules that make up the battery pack in the Model 3/Y (77k=
Wh battery).<div><br></div><div>Dan D</div><div>Central NJ USA<br clear=3D"=
all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmai=
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_attr">On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 12:07 PM James Dillner &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockqu=
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This is a bit off topic, but did anyone see the pictures of the Tesla wreck=
 where the battery pack tore apart?=C2=A0 There were thousands of little su=
b-c cells.....batteries.....scattered all over the place.=C2=A0 Somehow I n=
ever dreamed that those power packs were made
 up of cells all linked together.=C2=A0<br>
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<div><font size=3D"2">Each to their own.=C2=A0 I can&#39;t see myself=C2=A0=
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 they are little more than toys for local journeys.=C2=A0 I</font><font siz=
e=3D"2">f=C2=A0I get to the point when I&#39;m still around and
 driving but=C2=A0run out of satisfactory used=C2=A0&#39;real&#39; cars=C2=
=A0to buy then I shall revert to using my V8 as a daily driver as I did bef=
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<div>Hans - one could argue that this concept IS a modern set-up.... ;-) Ba=
sed on my first month with my Tesla Model Y, I&#39;d absolutely consider an=
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Most Prius yes. The Prius C is electric only, if I recall correctly.

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 2:36 PM James Dillner <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Prius is a hybrid....has a gas motor.    The Tesla models are just battery
> powered, correct?
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 6, 2021 3:26 PM
> Friends with Priusii (plural?) report much better battery life than
> expected.
>
> Reason is that Prius batteries operate in a sweet spot of between 20% and
> 80% of full charge.
>
> And a person I know with a Tesla told me that normal charging is only to
> 85% unless you request a full charge for the same reason of not 'pushing'
> the limits.  Can somebody with a Tesla either confirm or refute this?
>
> I just fear that in travel mode constant rapid charging cannot be good.
>
> And while I know from long experience that laptop batteries have a limited
> number of cycles my Norelco shaver is now 15 years old, gets a charge once
> month and seem sot have as much life as when new.
>
> And as I did not mention the Tesla S weighs about a ton more than the
> Mazda6.
>
> For me, not yet practical.
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Most Prius yes. The Prius C is electric only, if I recall =
correctly.</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gm=
ail_attr">On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 2:36 PM James Dillner &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><block=
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Prius is a hybrid....has a gas motor.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The Tesla models ar=
e just battery powered, correct?<br>
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e=3D"font-size:11pt" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" color=3D"#000000"><b>From=
:</b> &#39;Paul C Resch&#39; via MG-MGA-MGB &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mg-mga-mg=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<b=
r>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 6, 2021 3:26 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Paul Noble &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"=
_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> mglist &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blan=
k">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; MG-MGA-MGB &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mg-mga-mgb@=
googlegroups.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Off topic. Your mileage may vary. WAS Re: [Mgs] New MG =
Sports Car Concept</font>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Friends with Priusii (plural?) report much better battery =
life than expected.</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Reason is that Prius batteries operate in a sweet spot of =
between 20% and 80% of full charge.</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">And a person I know with a Tesla told me that normal charg=
ing is only to 85% unless you request a full charge for the same reason of =
not &#39;pushing&#39; the limits.=C2=A0 Can somebody with a Tesla either co=
nfirm or refute this?</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I just fear that in travel mode constant rapid charging ca=
nnot be good.</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">And while I know from long experience that laptop batterie=
s have a limited number of cycles my Norelco shaver is now 15 years old, ge=
ts a charge once month and seem sot have as much life as when new.</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">And as I did not mention the Tesla S weighs about a ton mo=
re than the Mazda6.</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">For me, not yet practical.</div>
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<div>Paul Resch USA Cell phone 661-645-5266 email addresses <a href=3D"mail=
to:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> <a href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a></di=
v>
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<div>On Tuesday, April 6, 2021, 02:19:12 PM CDT, Paul Noble &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; w=
rote:
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<span>I&#39;ve wondered about the same things, regarding electric and hybri=
d cars.</span></div>
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<span>Another thing to consider is that lithium is environmentally problema=
tic, both in mining it and disposing of it.</span></div>
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<span>The problem is that gasoline is still one of the most economical, saf=
est and densest way to transport energy. In most cases, a tank of gasoline =
will take a car farther than a fully charged battery will.</span></div>
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<span>The battery pack is usually much larger than the gas tank, and a lot =
heavier.</span></div>
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<span>I&#39;ve never owned a Prius or any other hybrid, but I&#39;ve heard =
that you&#39;re lucky to get 50,000 miles on a set of batteries. Replacing =
them costs about $3-4k. That&#39;s one reason I wouldn&#39;t even consider =
a used Prius, unless the seller showed me receipts for
 a very recent battery replacement. A Prius (or Tesla for that matter) with=
out batteries is like a conventional car without an engine. It might be a g=
ood deal, but you have to factor in the cost of replacing the batteries or =
engine.</span></div>
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Current (no pun intended) technology requires, I believe, a couple of hours=
, at least, to recharge a fully depleted set of batteries on a fully electr=
ic vehicle. That makes long trips a problem, if you have to stop every four=
 hours for a two hour recharge.
 They could probably speed up the charging process but that would require m=
uch higher voltages or current flow, both of which can be dangerous and cre=
ate heat dissipation problems.</div>
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I&#39;ve heard stories that rescue workers have been injured when trying to=
 cut someone out of a crashed hybrid vehicle and accidentally cut through t=
he main battery cable. I know that first responders have been trained for t=
his now, but this remains a problem.</div>
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Of course, there is a chicken/egg problem with public charging stations. No=
 one wants to spend a lot of money installing public charging stations unti=
l there are a lot of EVs to use them. Conversely, many buyers are reluctant=
 to buy an EV because there are
 not many public charging stations. That is why one of the features of the =
proposed infrastructure bill now being debated in Congress includes funding=
 to build charging stations.</div>
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4divRplyFwdMsg"><font style=3D"font-size:11pt" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif"=
 color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> &#39;Paul C Resch&#39; via MG-MGA-MGB &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">mg-mga-mgb@=
googlegroups.com</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 6, 2021 2:49 PM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> James Dillner &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; Dan DiBiase &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br =
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<b>Cc:</b> PaulBHunt73 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; mglist &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgs=
@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; MG-MGA-MGB &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">mg-mga-=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> Off topic. Your mileage may vary. WAS Re: [Mgs] New MG Spor=
ts Car Concept</font>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I am just looking to have a discussion, not an angry argum=
ent but feel I am missing something.</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">When I had a Mazda6 I noticed the similarity to the Tesla =
S. Turns out same guy Franz von Holzhausen designed both.=C2=A0 Pretty simi=
lar.</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Presuming the cars mission is the same.=C2=A0 Build qualit=
y similar, tire usage and performance in real world use equivalent I did so=
me comparisons.=C2=A0 Stupid fast Tesla acceleration is as useless as the M=
asda6&#39;s 600 mile per tank range.=C2=A0 =C2=A0My bladder
 needs stops more frequently than 9 hours.</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">In 100,000 miles Tesla recharges ($22.00 for 250 miles, I =
got this from Tesla) would run $8,800.</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">In 100.00 at $2.75 a gallon, 35 miles per US Gallon and 10=
 - $65 oil changes the total is about $8,500.</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">But the Tesla costs over $70,000 and the Mazda6 half that.=
</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Even if recharging at home was free, in 100,000 I am $25,0=
00 dollars ahead.=C2=A0 I am negating resale.=C2=A0 A 100,000 Mazda6 is nic=
ely broken in.. What&#39;s the $16.000 Tesla&#39;s battery life expectancy.=
=C2=A0 I just do not know.</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">And a trip such as I just took to Montana last October, 5,=
000 miles would be nearly impossible.</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I was in areas where gas stations were few and far between=
 and charging non-existent.=C2=A0 One hotel out of 13 had charging stations=
.=C2=A0 Rapid charging hurts battery life.=C2=A0 Standing around for a half=
 hour a couple of times a day could get old.</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I think the European model of changeable battery packs is =
what will win.</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Design a platform where you pull in, drop the vehicle into=
 a system much like an automated car wash, and come back in 5 minutes with =
a fresh battery.=C2=A0 Changed from below.</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Automatically changed.=C2=A0 SUVs might=C2=A0 have two bat=
teries.=C2=A0 Trucks might have more.</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Your state of charge, car&#39;s pathway and prediction of =
needed packs would report to your car your assigned swap spot so A: you kne=
w you would have a battery ready and B: that there was no need to squeeze e=
very last drop out of yours.=C2=A0 You&#39;d pay
 a charge to belong to the system and what your battery had left. So if you=
 wanted to stop every 2 hours for a rest break, just swap the half used bat=
tery.</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I learned that in Wolfsburg&#39;s VW factory it is rare fo=
r the same model to be built in order as the robots don&#39;t care.</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">The infrastructure of charging stations and having enough =
spigots is tough to see until many years from now.</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">So please, I take trips, not a lot and yes, I could just r=
ent a car for trips, but the current model works for me.</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">A fun read on this topic, tongue firmly in cheek is:</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"https://www.caranddriver.com/fea=
tures/a15112705/2013-tesla-model-s-vs-1915-ford-model-t-race-of-the-centuri=
es-feature/" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">1915 Ford
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<div>On Tuesday, April 6, 2021, 12:47:33 PM CDT, Dan DiBiase &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Yes, there are 7000-something individual=C2=A0cells bundle=
d into about 15 modules that make up the battery pack in the Model 3/Y (77k=
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This is a bit off topic, but did anyone see the pictures of the Tesla wreck=
 where the battery pack tore apart?=C2=A0 There were thousands of little su=
b-c cells.....batteries.....scattered all over the place.=C2=A0 Somehow I n=
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<div><font size=3D"2">Each to their own.=C2=A0 I can&#39;t see myself=C2=A0=
ever buying an EV based on the current range and recharging situation where=
 they are little more than toys for local journeys.=C2=A0 I</font><font siz=
e=3D"2">f=C2=A0I get to the point when I&#39;m still around and
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<div>Hans - one could argue that this concept IS a modern set-up.... ;-) Ba=
sed on my first month with my Tesla Model Y, I&#39;d absolutely consider an=
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I agree, not yet practical. I'm interested in them from purely an
economic proposition. A job change last summer means my former 5 mile
commute becomes 30 when work from home ends.   I have some interest in a
Mach-E (no other name associated with that :-)  ) or an ID-4. But both are
only RWD currently, and I'm not doing that here in Minnesota. Then again,
both will still be over $30k after government rebates, and I'm not ready to
pay that much for a consumable.

> being debated in Congress includes funding to build charging stations.

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<div dir=3D"ltr">I agree, not yet practical. I&#39;m interested in them fro=
m purely an economic=C2=A0proposition. A job change last summer means my fo=
rmer 5 mile commute becomes 30 when work from home ends.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I have=
 some interest in a Mach-E (no other name associated with that :-)=C2=A0 ) =
or an ID-4. But both are only RWD currently, and I&#39;m not doing that her=
e in Minnesota. Then again, both will still be over $30k after government r=
ebates, and I&#39;m not ready to pay that much for a consumable.=C2=A0</div=
><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tu=
e, Apr 6, 2021 at 2:26 PM &#39;Paul C Resch&#39; via MG-MGA-MGB &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px =
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><di=
v style=3D"font-family:&quot;times new roman&quot;,&quot;new york&quot;,tim=
es,serif;font-size:16px"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Friends with Priusii (plural=
?) report much better battery life than expected.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br=
></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Reason is that Prius batteries operate in a sweet s=
pot of between 20% and 80% of full charge.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr">And a person I know with a Tesla told me that normal charg=
ing is only to 85% unless you request a full charge for the same reason of =
not &#39;pushing&#39; the limits.=C2=A0 Can somebody with a Tesla either co=
nfirm or refute this?</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I ju=
st fear that in travel mode constant rapid charging cannot be good.</div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">And while I know from long experi=
ence that laptop batteries have a limited number of cycles my Norelco shave=
r is now 15 years old, gets a charge once month and seem sot have as much l=
ife as when new.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">And as I =
did not mention the Tesla S weighs about a ton more than the Mazda6.</div><=
div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">For me, not yet practical.</div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div><br></div><div>P=
aul Resch
 USA Cell phone 661-645-5266
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a>=20
 <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">resch@reschonli=
ne.com</a></div></div>
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d_8163890185">
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                <div>
                    On Tuesday, April 6, 2021, 02:19:12 PM CDT, Paul Noble =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">noblepa@hotmai=
l.com</a>&gt; wrote:
                </div>
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                <div><div id=3D"gmail-m_-8514397517773254426ydp3b6479a0yiv7=
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<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
<span>I&#39;ve wondered about the same things, regarding electric and hybri=
d cars.</span></div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
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</span></div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
<span>Another thing to consider is that lithium is environmentally problema=
tic, both in mining it and disposing of it.</span></div>
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t-size:12pt">
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<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
<span>The problem is that gasoline is still one of the most economical, saf=
est and densest way to transport energy. In most cases, a tank of gasoline =
will take a car farther than a fully charged battery will.</span></div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
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t-size:12pt">
<span>The battery pack is usually much larger than the gas tank, and a lot =
heavier.</span></div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
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t-size:12pt">
<span>I&#39;ve never owned a Prius or any other hybrid, but I&#39;ve heard =
that you&#39;re lucky to get 50,000 miles on a set of batteries. Replacing =
them costs about $3-4k. That&#39;s one reason I wouldn&#39;t even consider =
a used Prius, unless the seller showed me receipts for
 a very recent battery replacement. A Prius (or Tesla for that matter) with=
out batteries is like a conventional car without an engine. It might be a g=
ood deal, but you have to factor in the cost of replacing the batteries or =
engine.</span></div>
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t-size:12pt">
Current (no pun intended) technology requires, I believe, a couple of hours=
, at least, to recharge a fully depleted set of batteries on a fully electr=
ic vehicle. That makes long trips a problem, if you have to stop every four=
 hours for a two hour recharge.
 They could probably speed up the charging process but that would require m=
uch higher voltages or current flow, both of which can be dangerous and cre=
ate heat dissipation problems.</div>
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t-size:12pt">
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t-size:12pt">
I&#39;ve heard stories that rescue workers have been injured when trying to=
 cut someone out of a crashed hybrid vehicle and accidentally cut through t=
he main battery cable. I know that first responders have been trained for t=
his now, but this remains a problem.</div>
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t-size:12pt">
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t-size:12pt">
Of course, there is a chicken/egg problem with public charging stations. No=
 one wants to spend a lot of money installing public charging stations unti=
l there are a lot of EVs to use them. Conversely, many buyers are reluctant=
 to buy an EV because there are
 not many public charging stations. That is why one of the features of the =
proposed infrastructure bill now being debated in Congress includes funding=
 to build charging stations.</div>
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iv dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"gmail-m_-8514397517773254426ydp3b6479a0yiv7521138874di=
vRplyFwdMsg"><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" style=3D"=
font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> &#39;Paul C Resch&#39; via MG-MGA-MGB &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">mg-mga-mgb@goo=
glegroups.com</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 6, 2021 2:49 PM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> James Dillner &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; Dan DiBiase &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br =
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<b>Cc:</b> PaulBHunt73 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; mglist &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgs=
@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; MG-MGA-MGB &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">mg-mga-=
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<b>Subject:</b> Off topic. Your mileage may vary. WAS Re: [Mgs] New MG Spor=
ts Car Concept</font>
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times,serif;font-size:16px">
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I am just looking to have a discussion, not an angry argum=
ent but feel I am missing something.</div>
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</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">When I had a Mazda6 I noticed the similarity to the Tesla =
S. Turns out same guy Franz von Holzhausen designed both.=C2=A0 Pretty simi=
lar.</div>
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</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Presuming the cars mission is the same.=C2=A0 Build qualit=
y similar, tire usage and performance in real world use equivalent I did so=
me comparisons.=C2=A0 Stupid fast Tesla acceleration is as useless as the M=
asda6&#39;s 600 mile per tank range.=C2=A0 =C2=A0My bladder
 needs stops more frequently than 9 hours.</div>
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</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">In 100,000 miles Tesla recharges ($22.00 for 250 miles, I =
got this from Tesla) would run $8,800.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">In 100.00 at $2.75 a gallon, 35 miles per US Gallon and 10=
 - $65 oil changes the total is about $8,500.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">But the Tesla costs over $70,000 and the Mazda6 half that.=
</div>
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</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Even if recharging at home was free, in 100,000 I am $25,0=
00 dollars ahead.=C2=A0 I am negating resale.=C2=A0 A 100,000 Mazda6 is nic=
ely broken in.. What&#39;s the $16.000 Tesla&#39;s battery life expectancy.=
=C2=A0 I just do not know.</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">And a trip such as I just took to Montana last October, 5,=
000 miles would be nearly impossible.</div>
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</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">I was in areas where gas stations were few and far between=
 and charging non-existent.=C2=A0 One hotel out of 13 had charging stations=
.=C2=A0 Rapid charging hurts battery life.=C2=A0 Standing around for a half=
 hour a couple of times a day could get old.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I think the European model of changeable battery packs is =
what will win.</div>
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</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Design a platform where you pull in, drop the vehicle into=
 a system much like an automated car wash, and come back in 5 minutes with =
a fresh battery.=C2=A0 Changed from below.</div>
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</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Automatically changed.=C2=A0 SUVs might=C2=A0 have two bat=
teries.=C2=A0 Trucks might have more.</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Your state of charge, car&#39;s pathway and prediction of =
needed packs would report to your car your assigned swap spot so A: you kne=
w you would have a battery ready and B: that there was no need to squeeze e=
very last drop out of yours.=C2=A0 You&#39;d pay
 a charge to belong to the system and what your battery had left. So if you=
 wanted to stop every 2 hours for a rest break, just swap the half used bat=
tery.</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I learned that in Wolfsburg&#39;s VW factory it is rare fo=
r the same model to be built in order as the robots don&#39;t care.</div>
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spigots is tough to see until many years from now.</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">So please, I take trips, not a lot and yes, I could just r=
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A lot to unpack with all of these messages.....!

I am probably the only one here that has an electric vehicle, so guess I
should chime in. If you like, you can check out my blog at
https://electricallyspeaking.blogspot.com/2021/04/tesla-model-y-one-month-report.html

I have the Tesla Model Y, which is the latest model, being a CUV version of
the Model 3 sedan (about 75% interchangeability). The version I have is the
AWD Long Range. The only options I got was the color (Deep Metallic Blue)
and a tow hitch (mainly for a bike rack). It was $53k out the door (no
sales tax in NJ for BEV's). If I had taken delivery in December of 2020, I
could have gotten a $5k rebate from the state. If I waited until after
7/1/21, there is a chance I could have gotten a $5k point-of-sale discount
from the state of NJ (funding still TBD). And there is talk of renewing the
$7500 Federal Tax Credit for all made-in-US BEV's, which would include
Tesla and Chevy (both of whom have sold over 200k electric vehicles so they
currently don't qualify).  I took delivery one month ago, because I wanted
the car and was tired of waiting for 'maybes' and 'what ifs'. Saving the
6.625% sales tax was good enough for me.

The battery warranty on my car is 8 years/120k miles. The EPA rated range
is 326 miles; real world is more like 280 - 290 depending on conditions
(speed, temperature, elevation changes, etc). The entire battery is
unlikely to go bad at once. Individual modules can be replaced (there are
about 15 in my car). Elon Musk has estimated the cost at about $5k to
replace a module - that is today's cost. Battery replacement in it's
entirety is around $15k currently.

The Tesla replaced my 2014 Mazda CX-5 CUV, which had 147k miles on it. It
still ran well but was getting to the point where stuff was going to start
going wrong and I have to be able to depend on my car. An electric car fits
my needs perfectly. I'm a realtor so generally drive locally only, have no
daily commute and need a large enough space for signs and misc crap. I've
liked Teslas since the Roadster came out in 2008 and have owned the stock
for a number of years.

You can read my first blog post to see in detail why I wanted an electric
car - I do think we need to do a better job reducing greenhouse gases
individually and our energy system is going to become more renewables-based
as the years go by. Being a 'car guy', electric power is the next wave of
technology and is here to stay - the Tesla is essentially a computer that
also happens to be a very capable car. And the acceleration is insane for a
4500 lb vehicle. My model does 0-60 in 4.8 seconds. The Performance version
of the MY is 4.2 secs. The new Model S Plaid will be under 2 seconds with
400+ miles of range.... Pretty stellar numbers. for a sedan that can hold 5
people.....

I have a 240v charger in my garage that cost $800 to install (mostly
because the electrician had to run the wire 45 ft from my panel to the
garage). It adds about 25 miles of range for every hour. I charge overnight
with off-peak rates (about half of peak rates). I've only had the car a
month so haven't gotten a bill yet to see how much it is actually costing
me. Travelling shouldn't be too difficult as Tesla has a Supercharger
network of charger that cover about 90% of the US - about every 120 miles
or so on the OInterstates, of plenty of locations off them as well. There
is one 10  minutes from my house. I charge to a max of 80% every night.
Tesla advises keeping the charge levels between 20% - 80% to prolong
battery life. When I do take a road trip, I will charge to 100% right
before I leave. Plenty of folks charge to 100% frequently and haven't
experienced much battery degradation over time. Most reports indicate that
charging in general is less expensive than buying gas.

Maintenance - obviously, no oil changes. You also get much longer life out
of brakes as you rarely use them (regenerative braking from the electric
motors, which put energy back into the battery). No exhaust system. No fuel
pump. No ignition system. Etc. Tires, you might have to replace more often
- these are heavy vehicles. There are maintenance items that need to be
checked but they are the normal things - A/C service, cabin air filters,
brakes (rarely though). The battery is liquid cooled but there isn't any
maintenance schedule that I could find. Oh, and you have to put windshield
washer fluid in it...

I covered a lot and this is probably too long a read - sorry. But just
wanted to lay out a few basics here, based on my personal experience to
date.. The Tesla community is a large one - they have over a million
vehicles on the road now - and growing larger every day. And every new EV
that is announced is a good thing. Tesla isn't going away. Most of the new
EV's that are coming out aren't targeted at Tesla but ICE vehicles. That's
where the real benefit will come from.

Dan D
Central NJ USA

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 4:31 PM Paul Root <[email-masked]> wrote:

>> Why does a Tesla cost so much? Who knows. It is almost certainly, in
>> part, because it is electric. But there are other factors, as well.
>> Compared to GM, Honda and Toyota, the Tesla is a pretty limited production
>> vehicle. Secondly, it costs a LOT of money to start a car company from the
>> ground up. Just ask Malcom Bricklin or John DeLorean. It may also be that
>> Elon Musk made a conscious decision to position the Tesla in an upscale
>> market for luxury cars. For some buyers, the high price is not a hindrance,
>> but the primary attraction.
>>
>> As far as EVs go, we're still in the early-adopter stage. As more and
>> more vehicles become available, the economics will stabilize and the prices
>> will come down.
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">A lot to unpack with all of these messages.....!<div><br><=
/div><div>I am probably the only one here that has an electric vehicle, so =
guess I should chime in. If you like, you can check out my blog at=C2=A0<a =
href=3D"https://electricallyspeaking.blogspot.com/2021/04/tesla-model-y-one=
-month-report.html">https://electricallyspeaking.blogspot.com/2021/04/tesla=
-model-y-one-month-report.html</a></div><div><br></div><div>I have the Tesl=
a Model Y, which is the latest model, being a CUV version of the Model 3 se=
dan (about 75% interchangeability). The version I have is the AWD Long Rang=
e. The only options I got was the color (Deep Metallic Blue) and a tow hitc=
h (mainly for a bike rack). It was $53k out the door (no sales tax in NJ fo=
r BEV&#39;s). If I had taken delivery in December of 2020, I could have got=
ten a $5k rebate from the state. If I waited until after 7/1/21, there is a=
 chance I could have gotten a $5k point-of-sale discount from the state of =
NJ (funding still TBD). And there is talk of renewing the $7500 Federal Tax=
 Credit for all made-in-US BEV&#39;s, which would include Tesla and Chevy (=
both of whom have sold over 200k electric vehicles so they currently don&#3=
9;t qualify).=C2=A0 I took delivery one month ago, because I wanted the car=
 and was tired of waiting for=C2=A0&#39;maybes&#39; and &#39;what ifs&#39;.=
 Saving the 6.625% sales tax was good enough for me.</div><div><br></div><d=
iv>The battery warranty on my car is 8 years/120k miles. The EPA rated rang=
e is 326 miles; real world is more like 280 - 290 depending on conditions (=
speed, temperature, elevation changes, etc). The entire battery is unlikely=
 to go bad at once. Individual modules can be replaced (there are about 15 =
in my car). Elon Musk has estimated the cost at about $5k to replace a modu=
le - that is today&#39;s cost. Battery replacement in it&#39;s entirety is =
around $15k currently.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>The Tesla replaced my=
 2014 Mazda CX-5 CUV, which had 147k miles on it. It still ran well but was=
 getting to the point where stuff was going to start going wrong and I have=
 to be able to depend on my car. An electric car fits my needs perfectly. I=
&#39;m a realtor so generally drive locally only, have no daily commute and=
 need a large enough space for signs and misc crap. I&#39;ve liked Teslas s=
ince the Roadster came out in 2008 and have owned the stock for a number of=
 years.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>You can read my first blog post to s=
ee in detail why I wanted an electric car - I do think we need to do a bett=
er job reducing greenhouse gases individually and our energy system is goin=
g to become more renewables-based as the years go by. Being a &#39;car guy&=
#39;, electric power is the next wave of technology and is here to stay - t=
he Tesla is essentially a computer that also happens to be a very capable=
=C2=A0car. And the acceleration is insane for a 4500 lb vehicle. My model d=
oes 0-60 in 4.8 seconds. The Performance version of the MY is 4.2 secs. The=
 new Model S Plaid will be under 2 seconds with 400+ miles of range.... Pre=
tty stellar numbers. for a sedan that can hold 5 people.....</div><div><br>=
</div><div>I have a 240v charger in my garage that cost $800 to install (mo=
stly because the electrician had to run the wire 45 ft from my panel to the=
 garage). It adds about 25 miles of range for every hour. I charge overnigh=
t with off-peak rates (about half of peak rates). I&#39;ve only had the car=
 a month so haven&#39;t gotten a bill yet to see how much it is actually co=
sting me. Travelling shouldn&#39;t be too difficult as Tesla has a Supercha=
rger network of charger that cover about 90% of the US - about every 120 mi=
les or so on the OInterstates, of plenty of locations off them as well. The=
re is one 10=C2=A0 minutes from my house. I charge to a max of 80% every ni=
ght. Tesla advises keeping the charge levels between 20% - 80% to prolong b=
attery life. When I do take a road trip, I will charge to 100% right before=
 I leave. Plenty of folks charge to 100% frequently and haven&#39;t experie=
nced much battery degradation over time. Most reports indicate that chargin=
g in general is less expensive than buying gas.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><=
div>Maintenance - obviously, no oil changes. You also get much longer life =
out of brakes as you rarely use them (regenerative braking from the electri=
c motors, which put energy back into the battery). No exhaust system. No fu=
el pump. No ignition system. Etc. Tires, you might have to replace more oft=
en - these are heavy vehicles. There are maintenance items that need to be =
checked but they are the normal things - A/C service, cabin air filters, br=
akes (rarely though). The battery is liquid cooled but there isn&#39;t any =
maintenance schedule that I could find. Oh, and you have to put windshield =
washer fluid in it...</div><div><br></div><div>I covered a lot and this is =
probably too long a read - sorry. But just wanted to lay out a few basics h=
ere,=C2=A0based on my personal experience to date.. The Tesla community is =
a large one - they have over a million vehicles on the road now - and growi=
ng larger every day. And every new EV that is announced is a good thing. Te=
sla isn&#39;t going away. Most of the new EV&#39;s that are coming out aren=
&#39;t targeted at Tesla but ICE vehicles. That&#39;s where the real benefi=
t will come from.</div><div><br></div><div>Dan D</div><div>Central NJ USA<b=
r clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartm=
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v></div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" cla=
ss=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 4:31 PM Paul Root &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquot=
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aw was 8 year 100k warranty=C2=A0for most of the US, 10 year 150K for Calif=
ornia.=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>The closest apples to apples that I see wou=
ld be the Ford Focus electric, or the VW Golf E-something.=C2=A0</div><div>=
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. Also, Telsa=C2=A0is really a software company, not a car company. I&#39;m=
 still not convinced they will make it as more car companies start building=
 more electric cars. Reports I&#39;ve seen,=C2=A0is that build quality for =
the Model 3, especially, is not great.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>I don=
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, I would bet at least 2 will still have an engine.=C2=A0</div></div><br><d=
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Interesting stuff, thanks Dan. I didn't know prices, but thought the Model
X was more.

One of the things in Minnesota, actually, Xcel Energy, is that if you get a
240v charger put in, they put it on a separate meter, and you get big
discounts, for charging off peak (maybe after midnight, I don't remember
details).

I did see somewhere that Tesla is working on a heat pump instead of just
using electricity to heat the cabin. That's something needed around here.

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 4:13 PM Dan DiBiase <[email-masked]> wrote:

> I have the Tesla Model Y, which is the latest model, being a CUV version
> of the Model 3 sedan (about 75% interchangeability). The version I have is
> the AWD Long Range. The only options I got was the color (Deep Metallic
> Blue) and a tow hitch (mainly for a bike rack). It was $53k out the door
> (no sales tax in NJ for BEV's). If I had taken delivery in December of
> 2020, I could have gotten a $5k rebate from the state. If I waited until
> after 7/1/21, there is a chance I could have gotten a $5k point-of-sale
> discount from the state of NJ (funding still TBD). And there is talk of
> renewing the $7500 Federal Tax Credit for all made-in-US BEV's, which would
> include Tesla and Chevy (both of whom have sold over 200k electric vehicles
> so they currently don't qualify).  I took delivery one month ago, because I
> wanted the car and was tired of waiting for 'maybes' and 'what ifs'. Saving
> the 6.625% sales tax was good enough for me.
>
>>> I hadn't heard that the batteries only last 50k miles. The first hit on
>>> a google search says 100-150k and/or 8 years.
>>>
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Off topic. Your mileage may vary. WAS Re: [Mgs] New MG
>>> Sports Car Concept
>>>
>>> And a trip such as I just took to Montana last October, 5,000 miles
>>> would be nearly impossible.
>>>
>>> I learned that in Wolfsburg's VW factory it is rare for the same model
>>> to be built in order as the robots don't care.
>>>
>>> Hans - one could argue that this concept IS a modern set-up.... ;-)
>>> Based on my first month with my Tesla Model Y, I'd absolutely consider
>>> anything with an electric drivetrain from this point on. I don't plan to
>>> buy another internal combustion vehicle for my daily use.
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Interesting stuff, thanks Dan. I didn&#39;t know pric=
es, but thought the Model X was more.</div><div><br></div>One of the things=
 in Minnesota, actually, Xcel Energy, is that if you get a 240v charger put=
 in, they put it on a separate meter, and you get big discounts, for chargi=
ng off peak (maybe after midnight, I don&#39;t remember details).=C2=A0<div=
><br></div><div>I did see somewhere that Tesla is working on a heat pump in=
stead of just using electricity to heat the cabin. That&#39;s something nee=
ded around=C2=A0here.=C2=A0</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 4:13 PM Dan DiBiase=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px =
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=
=3D"ltr">A lot to unpack with all of these messages.....!<div><br></div><di=
v>I am probably the only one here that has an electric vehicle, so guess I =
should chime in. If you like, you can check out my blog at=C2=A0<a href=3D"=
https://electricallyspeaking.blogspot.com/2021/04/tesla-model-y-one-month-r=
eport.html" target=3D"_blank">https://electricallyspeaking.blogspot.com/202=
1/04/tesla-model-y-one-month-report.html</a></div><div><br></div><div>I hav=
e the Tesla Model Y, which is the latest model, being a CUV version of the =
Model 3 sedan (about 75% interchangeability). The version I have is the AWD=
 Long Range. The only options I got was the color (Deep Metallic Blue) and =
a tow hitch (mainly for a bike rack). It was $53k out the door (no sales ta=
x in NJ for BEV&#39;s). If I had taken delivery in December of 2020, I coul=
d have gotten a $5k rebate from the state. If I waited until after 7/1/21, =
there is a chance I could have gotten a $5k point-of-sale discount from the=
 state of NJ (funding still TBD). And there is talk of renewing the $7500 F=
ederal Tax Credit for all made-in-US BEV&#39;s, which would include Tesla a=
nd Chevy (both of whom have sold over 200k electric vehicles so they curren=
tly don&#39;t qualify).=C2=A0 I took delivery one month ago, because I want=
ed the car and was tired of waiting for=C2=A0&#39;maybes&#39; and &#39;what=
 ifs&#39;. Saving the 6.625% sales tax was good enough for me.</div><div><b=
r></div><div>The battery warranty on my car is 8 years/120k miles. The EPA =
rated range is 326 miles; real world is more like 280 - 290 depending on co=
nditions (speed, temperature, elevation changes, etc). The entire battery i=
s unlikely to go bad at once. Individual modules can be replaced (there are=
 about 15 in my car). Elon Musk has estimated the cost at about $5k to repl=
ace a module - that is today&#39;s cost. Battery replacement in it&#39;s en=
tirety is around $15k currently.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>The Tesla r=
eplaced my 2014 Mazda CX-5 CUV, which had 147k miles on it. It still ran we=
ll but was getting to the point where stuff was going to start going wrong =
and I have to be able to depend on my car. An electric car fits my needs pe=
rfectly. I&#39;m a realtor so generally drive locally only, have no daily c=
ommute and need a large enough space for signs and misc crap. I&#39;ve like=
d Teslas since the Roadster came out in 2008 and have owned the stock for a=
 number of years.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>You can read my first blog=
 post to see in detail why I wanted an electric car - I do think we need to=
 do a better job reducing greenhouse gases individually and our energy syst=
em is going to become more renewables-based as the years go by. Being a &#3=
9;car guy&#39;, electric power is the next wave of technology and is here t=
o stay - the Tesla is essentially a computer that also happens to be a very=
 capable=C2=A0car. And the acceleration is insane for a 4500 lb vehicle. My=
 model does 0-60 in 4.8 seconds. The Performance version of the MY is 4.2 s=
ecs. The new Model S Plaid will be under 2 seconds with 400+ miles of range=
.... Pretty stellar numbers. for a sedan that can hold 5 people.....</div><=
div><br></div><div>I have a 240v charger in my garage that cost $800 to ins=
tall (mostly because the electrician had to run the wire 45 ft from my pane=
l to the garage). It adds about 25 miles of range for every hour. I charge =
overnight with off-peak rates (about half of peak rates). I&#39;ve only had=
 the car a month so haven&#39;t gotten a bill yet to see how much it is act=
ually costing me. Travelling shouldn&#39;t be too difficult as Tesla has a =
Supercharger network of charger that cover about 90% of the US - about ever=
y 120 miles or so on the OInterstates, of plenty of locations off them as w=
ell. There is one 10=C2=A0 minutes from my house. I charge to a max of 80% =
every night. Tesla advises keeping the charge levels between 20% - 80% to p=
rolong battery life. When I do take a road trip, I will charge to 100% righ=
t before I leave. Plenty of folks charge to 100% frequently and haven&#39;t=
 experienced much battery degradation over time. Most reports indicate that=
 charging in general is less expensive than buying gas.=C2=A0</div><div><br=
></div><div>Maintenance - obviously, no oil changes. You also get much long=
er life out of brakes as you rarely use them (regenerative braking from the=
 electric motors, which put energy back into the battery). No exhaust syste=
m. No fuel pump. No ignition system. Etc. Tires, you might have to replace =
more often - these are heavy vehicles. There are maintenance items that nee=
d to be checked but they are the normal things - A/C service, cabin air fil=
ters, brakes (rarely though). The battery is liquid cooled but there isn&#3=
9;t any maintenance schedule that I could find. Oh, and you have to put win=
dshield washer fluid in it...</div><div><br></div><div>I covered a lot and =
this is probably too long a read - sorry. But just wanted to lay out a few =
basics here,=C2=A0based on my personal experience to date.. The Tesla commu=
nity is a large one - they have over a million vehicles on the road now - a=
nd growing larger every day. And every new EV that is announced is a good t=
hing. Tesla isn&#39;t going away. Most of the new EV&#39;s that are coming =
out aren&#39;t targeted at Tesla but ICE vehicles. That&#39;s where the rea=
l benefit will come from.</div><div><br></div><div>Dan D</div><div>Central =
NJ USA<br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><a href=3D"h=
ttp://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://dandibiase.cbinto=
uch.com/</a></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote=
"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 4:31 PM Paul=
 Root &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">ptroot@gmai=
l.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"ma=
rgin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:=
1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">The references I saw was 8 year 100k warranty=C2=A0fo=
r most of the US, 10 year 150K for California.=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>The=
 closest apples to apples that I see would be the Ford Focus electric, or t=
he VW Golf E-something.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>I think Telsa=C2=A0c=
ost so much because they are luxury cars. Also, Telsa=C2=A0is really a soft=
ware company, not a car company. I&#39;m still not convinced they will make=
 it as more car companies start building more electric cars. Reports I&#39;=
ve seen,=C2=A0is that build quality for the Model 3, especially, is not gre=
at.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>I don&#39;t buy cars very often, If I bu=
y 4 more cars (daily drivers) in my life, I would bet at least 2 will still=
 have an engine.=C2=A0</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 3:06 PM Paul Noble &lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
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Hi, Paul, yes the Model X is more - it's the larger C/SUV, based on the
Model S sedan.

I never thought to ask about a separate meter. I will have to do that. It's
going to be hard to figure out, with season variances, estimated readings,
etc. But since I started charging off peak, I thought maybe a breakdown of
electricity use by time of day (night) might help me do that.

The Model Y was the first with the heat pump. They have since retrofitted
it in new Model 3's, and also the new (refreshed) Model S/X. It should
significantly reduce battery loss due to heat usage.

Dan D
Central NJ USA

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 6:34 PM Paul Root <[email-masked]> wrote:

> One of the things in Minnesota, actually, Xcel Energy, is that if you get
> a 240v charger put in, they put it on a separate meter, and you get big
>> Maintenance - obviously, no oil changes. You also get much longer life
>> out of brakes as you rarely use them (regenerative braking from the
>> electric motors, which put energy back into the battery). No exhaust
>> system. No fuel pump. No ignition system. Etc. Tires, you might have to
>> replace more often - these are heavy vehicles. There are maintenance items
>> that need to be checked but they are the normal things - A/C service, cabin
>> air filters, brakes (rarely though). The battery is liquid cooled but there
>> isn't any maintenance schedule that I could find. Oh, and you have to put
>> windshield washer fluid in it...
>>
>>> The references I saw was 8 year 100k warranty for most of the US, 10
>>> year 150K for California.
>>>
>>> The closest apples to apples that I see would be the Ford Focus
>>> electric, or the VW Golf E-something.
>>>
>>>> When I said I had heard that batteries only lasted 50k miles, that was
>>>> a few years ago. Perhaps I was misinformed or perhaps the batteries have
>>>> improved.
>>>>
>>>> It is difficult to make any kind of direct comparison between a
>>>> gasoline and an electric car. No one has, to my knowledge, ever put a
>>>> gasoline engine in a Tesla. And while there have been many conversions in
>>>> the opposite direction (replacing a gas engine with electric), these were
>>>> not production vehicles. All the ones I've seen have simply replaced the
>>>> gas engine with an electric motor, while retaining the transmission, clutch
>>>> and differential. This is not optimal.
>>>>
>>>> The closest comparison I've ever seen was between a gasoline Honda
>>>> Civic and the hybrid version of the same car. IIRC, the gas version got
>>>> around 40 mpg, while the hybrid got 45. Given that the hybrid was over $3k
>>>> more than the gas version, the payback period was many years.
>>>>
>>>> I'm guessing that in twenty years, maybe less, EVs will be the norm.
>>>> Gas vehicles will be a niche product, sort of like vinyl records have
>>>> become. Right now, there are teething pains that must be overcome, and
>>>> technical improvements that must be made, but all that will happen. One
>>>> area that I suspect gas vehicles can never compete with electric vehicles
>>>> is emissions. Gas cars will never reach zero emissions. EVs are already
>>>> there.
>>>> The problem is that gasoline is still one of the most economical,
>>>> safest and densest way to transport energy. In most cases, a tank of
>>>> gasoline will take a car farther than a fully charged battery will.
>>>>
>>>> I've never owned a Prius or any other hybrid, but I've heard that
>>>> you're lucky to get 50,000 miles on a set of batteries. Replacing them
>>>> costs about $3-4k. That's one reason I wouldn't even consider a used Prius,
>>>> unless the seller showed me receipts for a very recent battery replacement.
>>>> A Prius (or Tesla for that matter) without batteries is like a conventional
>>>> car without an engine. It might be a good deal, but you have to factor in
>>>> the cost of replacing the batteries or engine.
>>>>
>>>> stations. No one wants to spend a lot of money installing public charging
>>>> stations until there are a lot of EVs to use them. Conversely, many buyers
>>>> are reluctant to buy an EV because there are not many public charging
>>>> stations. That is why one of the features of the proposed infrastructure
>>>> bill now being debated in Congress includes funding to build charging
>>>> stations.
>>>> I am just looking to have a discussion, not an angry argument but feel
>>>> I am missing something.
>>>>
>>>> Design a platform where you pull in, drop the vehicle into a system
>>>> much like an automated car wash, and come back in 5 minutes with a fresh
>>>> Your state of charge, car's pathway and prediction of needed packs
>>>> would report to your car your assigned swap spot so A: you knew you would
>>>> have a battery ready and B: that there was no need to squeeze every last
>>>> drop out of yours.  You'd pay a charge to belong to the system and what
>>>> your battery had left. So if you wanted to stop every 2 hours for a rest
>>>> break, just swap the half used battery.
>>>>
>>>> [email-masked] [email-masked]
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi, Paul, yes the Model X is more - it&#39;s the larger C/=
SUV, based on the Model S sedan.=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>I never thought t=
o ask about a separate meter. I will have to do that. It&#39;s going to be =
hard to figure out, with season variances, estimated readings, etc. But sin=
ce I started charging off peak, I thought maybe a breakdown of electricity =
use by time of day (night) might help me do that.</div><div><br></div><div>=
The Model Y was the first with the heat pump. They have since retrofitted i=
t in new Model 3&#39;s, and also the new (refreshed) Model S/X. It should s=
ignificantly reduce battery loss due to heat usage.</div><div><br></div><di=
v>Dan D</div><div>Central NJ USA<br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" cla=
ss=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr">=
<a href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://dandi=
biase.cbintouch.com/</a></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at =
6:34 PM Paul Root &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]<=
/a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><=
div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Interesting stuff, thanks Dan. I didn&#39;t know price=
s, but thought the Model X was more.</div><div><br></div>One of the things =
in Minnesota, actually, Xcel Energy, is that if you get a 240v charger put =
in, they put it on a separate meter, and you get big discounts, for chargin=
g off peak (maybe after midnight, I don&#39;t remember details).=C2=A0<div>=
<br></div><div>I did see somewhere that Tesla is working on a heat pump ins=
tead of just using electricity to heat the cabin. That&#39;s something need=
ed around=C2=A0here.=C2=A0</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 4:13 PM Dan DiBiase =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">dan.dibiase@=
gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding=
-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">A lot to unpack with all of these messages.....=
!<div><br></div><div>I am probably the only one here that has an electric v=
ehicle, so guess I should chime in. If you like, you can check out my blog =
at=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://electricallyspeaking.blogspot.com/2021/04/tesla-=
model-y-one-month-report.html" target=3D"_blank">https://electricallyspeaki=
ng.blogspot.com/2021/04/tesla-model-y-one-month-report.html</a></div><div><=
br></div><div>I have the Tesla Model Y, which is the latest model, being a =
CUV version of the Model 3 sedan (about 75% interchangeability). The versio=
n I have is the AWD Long Range. The only options I got was the color (Deep =
Metallic Blue) and a tow hitch (mainly for a bike rack). It was $53k out th=
e door (no sales tax in NJ for BEV&#39;s). If I had taken delivery in Decem=
ber of 2020, I could have gotten a $5k rebate from the state. If I waited u=
ntil after 7/1/21, there is a chance I could have gotten a $5k point-of-sal=
e discount from the state of NJ (funding still TBD). And there is talk of r=
enewing the $7500 Federal Tax Credit for all made-in-US BEV&#39;s, which wo=
uld include Tesla and Chevy (both of whom have sold over 200k electric vehi=
cles so they currently don&#39;t qualify).=C2=A0 I took delivery one month =
ago, because I wanted the car and was tired of waiting for=C2=A0&#39;maybes=
&#39; and &#39;what ifs&#39;. Saving the 6.625% sales tax was good enough f=
or me.</div><div><br></div><div>The battery warranty on my car is 8 years/1=
20k miles. The EPA rated range is 326 miles; real world is more like 280 - =
290 depending on conditions (speed, temperature, elevation changes, etc). T=
he entire battery is unlikely to go bad at once. Individual modules can be =
replaced (there are about 15 in my car). Elon Musk has estimated the cost a=
t about $5k to replace a module - that is today&#39;s cost. Battery replace=
ment in it&#39;s entirety is around $15k currently.=C2=A0</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>The Tesla replaced my 2014 Mazda CX-5 CUV, which had 147k miles on =
it. It still ran well but was getting to the point where stuff was going to=
 start going wrong and I have to be able to depend on my car. An electric c=
ar fits my needs perfectly. I&#39;m a realtor so generally drive locally on=
ly, have no daily commute and need a large enough space for signs and misc =
crap. I&#39;ve liked Teslas since the Roadster came out in 2008 and have ow=
ned the stock for a number of years.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>You can=
 read my first blog post to see in detail why I wanted an electric car - I =
do think we need to do a better job reducing greenhouse gases individually =
and our energy system is going to become more renewables-based as the years=
 go by. Being a &#39;car guy&#39;, electric power is the next wave of techn=
ology and is here to stay - the Tesla is essentially a computer that also h=
appens to be a very capable=C2=A0car. And the acceleration is insane for a =
4500 lb vehicle. My model does 0-60 in 4.8 seconds. The Performance version=
 of the MY is 4.2 secs. The new Model S Plaid will be under 2 seconds with =
400+ miles of range.... Pretty stellar numbers. for a sedan that can hold 5=
 people.....</div><div><br></div><div>I have a 240v charger in my garage th=
at cost $800 to install (mostly because the electrician had to run the wire=
 45 ft from my panel to the garage). It adds about 25 miles of range for ev=
ery hour. I charge overnight with off-peak rates (about half of peak rates)=
. I&#39;ve only had the car a month so haven&#39;t gotten a bill yet to see=
 how much it is actually costing me. Travelling shouldn&#39;t be too diffic=
ult as Tesla has a Supercharger network of charger that cover about 90% of =
the US - about every 120 miles or so on the OInterstates, of plenty of loca=
tions off them as well. There is one 10=C2=A0 minutes from my house. I char=
ge to a max of 80% every night. Tesla advises keeping the charge levels bet=
ween 20% - 80% to prolong battery life. When I do take a road trip, I will =
charge to 100% right before I leave. Plenty of folks charge to 100% frequen=
tly and haven&#39;t experienced much battery degradation over time. Most re=
ports indicate that charging in general is less expensive than buying gas.=
=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Maintenance - obviously, no oil changes. Yo=
u also get much longer life out of brakes as you rarely use them (regenerat=
ive braking from the electric motors, which put energy back into the batter=
y). No exhaust system. No fuel pump. No ignition system. Etc. Tires, you mi=
ght have to replace more often - these are heavy vehicles. There are mainte=
nance items that need to be checked but they are the normal things - A/C se=
rvice, cabin air filters, brakes (rarely though). The battery is liquid coo=
led but there isn&#39;t any maintenance schedule that I could find. Oh, and=
 you have to put windshield washer fluid in it...</div><div><br></div><div>=
I covered a lot and this is probably too long a read - sorry. But just want=
ed to lay out a few basics here,=C2=A0based on my personal experience to da=
te.. The Tesla community is a large one - they have over a million vehicles=
 on the road now - and growing larger every day. And every new EV that is a=
nnounced is a good thing. Tesla isn&#39;t going away. Most of the new EV&#3=
9;s that are coming out aren&#39;t targeted at Tesla but ICE vehicles. That=
&#39;s where the real benefit will come from.</div><div><br></div><div>Dan =
D</div><div>Central NJ USA<br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><a href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/" target=3D"_blank">htt=
p://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div=
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 2021 at 4:31 PM Paul Root &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204=
,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">The references I saw was 8 yea=
r 100k warranty=C2=A0for most of the US, 10 year 150K for California.=C2=A0=
<div><br></div><div>The closest apples to apples that I see would be the Fo=
rd Focus electric, or the VW Golf E-something.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><d=
iv>I think Telsa=C2=A0cost so much because they are luxury cars. Also, Tels=
a=C2=A0is really a software company, not a car company. I&#39;m still not c=
onvinced they will make it as more car companies start building more electr=
ic cars. Reports I&#39;ve seen,=C2=A0is that build quality for the Model 3,=
 especially, is not great.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>I don&#39;t buy c=
ars very often, If I buy 4 more cars (daily drivers) in my life, I would be=
t at least 2 will still have an engine.=C2=A0</div></div><br><div class=3D"=
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My 2010 ford escape hybrid is nearing 100k miles and rebuilt battery packs
are not that expensive. My next car will be a plug in hybred, most likely a
Volt. 50 mile on battery, up to 235 on gas. 45-65 mph

Ira Erbs
1959 AH 100-6
1967 MGB
Milwaukie, OR

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ilt battery packs are not that expensive. My next car will be a plug in hyb=
red, most likely a Volt. 50 mile on battery, up to 235 on gas. 45-65 mph<br=
><br><div data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature">Ira Erbs<br>1959 AH 100-6<br>1=
967 MGB<br>Milwaukie, OR</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
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ined, bought a Telsa=C2=A0Model 3 last year. He&#39;s done 2 2500 mile road=
 trips, summer, and winter. And, of course, has done youtube videos for the=
m. Worth a look.=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>I hadn&#39;t heard that the batte=
ries only last 50k miles. The first hit on a google search says 100-150k an=
d/or 8 years.</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Yes, there are 7000-something individual=C2=A0cells bundle=
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This is a bit off topic, but did anyone see the pictures of the Tesla wreck=
 where the battery pack tore apart?=C2=A0 There were thousands of little su=
b-c cells.....batteries.....scattered all over the place.=C2=A0 Somehow I n=
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<div><font size=3D"2">Each to their own.=C2=A0 I can&#39;t see myself=C2=A0=
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Compared with an MGB designed in 1962, the Mazda is. 

Sure electric cars are the future, but this group of friends still has MG a=
s main topic =F0=9F=98=89!

The classic MG cannot be compared with a Tesla.

Same would be for an MGB in 1962 being compared with a car from 50 years ea=
rlier.

BTW I have bought my previous lease car =3D Mazda 6 Sportbreak (wagon).

I love how Mazda does things differently. 

So if there comes a reason to sell my MG, I might opt for MX5 / Miata=E2=80=
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Cheers

Hans

71 BGT =E2=80=93 celebrated its 50th birthday 2 months ago=E2=80=A6

Van: Dan DiBiase <[email-masked]> 
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Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] New MG Sports Car Concept

My brother in law has the current gen, and it's a little tough to get out o=
f. Once it in fits nicely but it's very low. 

Hans - one could argue that this concept IS a modern set-up.... ;-) Based o=
n my first month with my Tesla Model Y, I'd absolutely consider anything wi=
th an electric drivetrain from this point on. I don't plan to buy another i=
nternal combustion vehicle for my daily use.

Dan D

'21 Tesla MY, '76B, '65B

Central NJ USA

 

mail.com> > wrote:

Sure, however the only one I really fit in is the first gen. My boss did ha=
ve a 2nd gen that he added a turbo to ,and let me drive it once. If I owned=
 it, I probably wouldn't have a license anymore. I could only drive that wi=
th the top down. 

lanet.nl> > wrote:

Cheers,

Hans

Namens Paul Root

Interesting concept car. 

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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>Hans - one =
could argue that this concept IS a modern set-up.... =
;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&gt;&gt;&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>Compared with an MGB designed in =
1962, the Mazda is. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Sure electric cars are the future, but this group of =
friends still has MG as main topic </span><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif'>&#128521;</span><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>The classic MG cannot be compared with a =
Tesla.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>Same =
would be for an MGB in 1962 being compared with a car from 50 years =
earlier.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>BTW I have bought my previous lease car =3D Mazda 6 =
Sportbreak (wagon).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>I love how Mazda does things differently. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>So if =
there comes a reason to sell my MG, I might opt for MX5 / =
Miata=E2=80=A6<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Hans<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>71 BGT =E2=80=93 celebrated its 50<sup>th</sup> birthday 2 =
months ago=E2=80=A6</span><span lang=3DEN-GB =
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0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>Van:</b> Dan DiBiase =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Verzonden:</b> dinsdag 6 april 2021 =
17:29<br><b>Aan:</b> Paul Root &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>CC:</b> =
Hans Duinhoven &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; mglist =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;; MG-MGA-MGB =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] New =
MG Sports Car Concept<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>My =
brother in law has the current gen, and it's a little tough to get out =
of. Once it in fits nicely but it's very =
low.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Hans - one could argue that this concept IS a modern =
set-up.... ;-) Based on my first month with my Tesla Model Y, I'd =
absolutely consider anything with an electric drivetrain from this point =
on. I don't plan to buy another internal combustion vehicle for my daily =
use.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Dan D<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>'21 Tesla MY, '76B, '65B<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Central NJ USA<br =
clear=3Dall><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/" =
target=3D"_blank">http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p></di=
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class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 8:54 AM Paul Root &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Sure, however the only one I really fit in is the =
first gen. My boss did have a 2nd gen that he added a turbo to ,and let =
me drive it once. If I owned it, I probably wouldn't have a license =
anymore. I could only drive that with the top =
down.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Same thing with the 370Z. I can't even get in the =
coupe.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 7:41 AM &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>If you really want the look and feel of an MG roadster in a =
modern setup, I=E2=80=99d opt for the Mazda MX5 =E2=80=93 =
Miata.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Hans</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>71 BGT still hibernating, as the snow =
falls=E2=80=A6</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>Van:</b> =
Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>Namens </b>Paul =
Root<br><b>Verzonden:</b> vrijdag 2 april 2021 18:26<br><b>Aan:</b> Dan =
DiBiase &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>CC:</b> mglist =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; MG-MGA-MGB &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Onderwerp:</b=
> Re: [Mgs] New MG Sports Car Concept<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The world =
has gone SUV. This is eye-candy to get people to think MG, but it will =
never come out.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I don't =
really like the angles, you can't really see what it would look =
like.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>They have =
had a number of concepts over the last few years that all &quot;harken =
back&quot; or &quot;reminisce&quot; about past cars. But they never go =
forward.&nbsp; All the companies do that. Nissan really got me 5 years =
ago when they did a retro 510 thing. I was ready to buy that. But after =
saying they really want to think about building it, they just dropped =
it.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>There is =
also the part about MG won't come back to the =
US.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Fri, Apr =
2, 2021 at 10:33 AM Dan DiBiase &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
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.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Interesting =
concept&nbsp;car.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a =
href=3D"https://electrek.co/2021/04/01/mg-motor-unveils-cyberster-electri=
c-sports-car-concept/" =
target=3D"_blank">https://electrek.co/2021/04/01/mg-motor-unveils-cyberst=
er-electric-sports-car-concept/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
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/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Dan =
D<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>'76B, '65B =
Project (soon up for sale)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Central NJ =
USA<br clear=3Dall><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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The electric MG=E2=80=99s from China are quite popular in the Netherlands n=
owadays. 

Price tag is half a Tesla model 3 price tag.

VW launched their electrical variants now in their models ID3 and ID4, wher=
e the ID3 is the most popular lease car currently.

Van: Mgs <[email-masked]> Namens Paul Root
Verzonden: dinsdag 6 april 2021 22:31
Aan: Paul Noble <[email-masked]>
CC: mglist <[email-masked]>; MG-MGA-MGB <[email-masked]>
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Off topic. Your mileage may vary. WAS Re: New MG Sport=
s Car Concept

The references I saw was 8 year 100k warranty for most of the US, 10 year 1=
50K for California. 

The closest apples to apples that I see would be the Ford Focus electric, o=
r the VW Golf E-something. 

I think Telsa cost so much because they are luxury cars. Also, Telsa is rea=
lly a software company, not a car company. I'm still not convinced they wil=
l make it as more car companies start building more electric cars. Reports =
I've seen, is that build quality for the Model 3, especially, is not great.=

I don't buy cars very often, If I buy 4 more cars (daily drivers) in my lif=
e, I would bet at least 2 will still have an engine. 

[email-masked]> > wrote:

When I said I had heard that batteries only lasted 50k miles, that was a fe=
w years ago. Perhaps I was misinformed or perhaps the batteries have improv=
ed.

It is difficult to make any kind of direct comparison between a gasoline an=
d an electric car. No one has, to my knowledge, ever put a gasoline engine =
in a Tesla. And while there have been many conversions in the opposite dire=
ction (replacing a gas engine with electric), these were not production veh=
icles. All the ones I've seen have simply replaced the gas engine with an e=
lectric motor, while retaining the transmission, clutch and differential. T=
his is not optimal. 

The closest comparison I've ever seen was between a gasoline Honda Civic an=
d the hybrid version of the same car. IIRC, the gas version got around 40 m=
pg, while the hybrid got 45. Given that the hybrid was over $3k more than t=
he gas version, the payback period was many years.

Why does a Tesla cost so much? Who knows. It is almost certainly, in part, =
because it is electric. But there are other factors, as well. Compared to G=
M, Honda and Toyota, the Tesla is a pretty limited production vehicle. Seco=
ndly, it costs a LOT of money to start a car company from the ground up. Ju=
st ask Malcom Bricklin or John DeLorean. It may also be that Elon Musk made=
 a conscious decision to position the Tesla in an upscale market for luxury=
 cars. For some buyers, the high price is not a hindrance, but the primary =
attraction.

As far as EVs go, we're still in the early-adopter stage. As more and more =
vehicles become available, the economics will stabilize and the prices will=
 come down. 

I'm guessing that in twenty years, maybe less, EVs will be the norm. Gas ve=
hicles will be a niche product, sort of like vinyl records have become. Rig=
ht now, there are teething pains that must be overcome, and technical impro=
vements that must be made, but all that will happen. One area that I suspec=
t gas vehicles can never compete with electric vehicles is emissions. Gas c=
ars will never reach zero emissions. EVs are already there.

  _____  

Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: Off topic. Your mileage may vary. WAS Re: [Mgs] New MG Sports =
Car Concept 

Jason of Engineering Explained, bought a Telsa Model 3 last year. He's done=
 2 2500 mile road trips, summer, and winter. And, of course, has done youtu=
be videos for them. Worth a look.  

I hadn't heard that the batteries only last 50k miles. The first hit on a g=
oogle search says 100-150k and/or 8 years.

[email-masked]> > wrote:

Another thing to consider is that lithium is environmentally problematic, b=
oth in mining it and disposing of it.

The problem is that gasoline is still one of the most economical, safest an=
d densest way to transport energy. In most cases, a tank of gasoline will t=
ake a car farther than a fully charged battery will.

The battery pack is usually much larger than the gas tank, and a lot heavie=
r.

I've never owned a Prius or any other hybrid, but I've heard that you're lu=
cky to get 50,000 miles on a set of batteries. Replacing them costs about $=
3-4k. That's one reason I wouldn't even consider a used Prius, unless the s=
eller showed me receipts for a very recent battery replacement. A Prius (or=
 Tesla for that matter) without batteries is like a conventional car withou=
t an engine. It might be a good deal, but you have to factor in the cost of=
 replacing the batteries or engine.

Current (no pun intended) technology requires, I believe, a couple of hours=
, at least, to recharge a fully depleted set of batteries on a fully electr=
ic vehicle. That makes long trips a problem, if you have to stop every four=
 hours for a two hour recharge. They could probably speed up the charging p=
rocess but that would require much higher voltages or current flow, both of=
 which can be dangerous and create heat dissipation problems.

I've heard stories that rescue workers have been injured when trying to cut=
 someone out of a crashed hybrid vehicle and accidentally cut through the m=
ain battery cable. I know that first responders have been trained for this =
now, but this remains a problem.

Of course, there is a chicken/egg problem with public charging stations. No=
 one wants to spend a lot of money installing public charging stations unti=
l there are a lot of EVs to use them. Conversely, many buyers are reluctant=
 to buy an EV because there are not many public charging stations. That is =
why one of the features of the proposed infrastructure bill now being debat=
ed in Congress includes funding to build charging stations.

  _____  

[email-masked]> >
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 2:49 PM
Subject: Off topic. Your mileage may vary. WAS Re: [Mgs] New MG Sports Car =
Concept 

I am just looking to have a discussion, not an angry argument but feel I am=
 missing something.

When I had a Mazda6 I noticed the similarity to the Tesla S. Turns out same=
 guy Franz von Holzhausen designed both.  Pretty similar.

Presuming the cars mission is the same.  Build quality similar, tire usage =
and performance in real world use equivalent I did some comparisons.  Stupi=
d fast Tesla acceleration is as useless as the Masda6's 600 mile per tank r=
ange.   My bladder needs stops more frequently than 9 hours.

In 100,000 miles Tesla recharges ($22.00 for 250 miles, I got this from Tes=
la) would run $8,800.

In 100.00 at $2.75 a gallon, 35 miles per US Gallon and 10 - $65 oil change=
s the total is about $8,500.

Even if recharging at home was free, in 100,000 I am $25,000 dollars ahead.=
  I am negating resale.  A 100,000 Mazda6 is nicely broken in.. What's the =
$16.000 Tesla's battery life expectancy.  I just do not know.

And a trip such as I just took to Montana last October, 5,000 miles would b=
e nearly impossible.

I was in areas where gas stations were few and far between and charging non=
-existent.  One hotel out of 13 had charging stations.  Rapid charging hurt=
s battery life.  Standing around for a half hour a couple of times a day co=
uld get old.

Design a platform where you pull in, drop the vehicle into a system much li=
ke an automated car wash, and come back in 5 minutes with a fresh battery. =
 Changed from below.

Automatically changed.  SUVs might  have two batteries.  Trucks might have =
more.

Your state of charge, car's pathway and prediction of needed packs would re=
port to your car your assigned swap spot so A: you knew you would have a ba=
ttery ready and B: that there was no need to squeeze every last drop out of=
 yours.  You'd pay a charge to belong to the system and what your battery h=
ad left. So if you wanted to stop every 2 hours for a rest break, just swap=
 the half used battery.

I learned that in Wolfsburg's VW factory it is rare for the same model to b=
e built in order as the robots don't care.

The infrastructure of charging stations and having enough spigots is tough =
to see until many years from now.

So please, I take trips, not a lot and yes, I could just rent a car for tri=
ps, but the current model works for me.

1915 Ford Model T vs. 2013 Tesla Model S: Race of the Centuries <https://ww=
w.caranddriver.com/features/a15112705/2013-tesla-model-s-vs-1915-ford-model=
-t-race-of-the-centuries-feature/> 

We stage a multi-state enduro to find out if today's automotive pioneer can=
 outrun its predecessor.

 

Paul Resch USA Cell phone 661-645-5266 email addresses [email-masked] <m=
om> 

On Tuesday, April 6, 2021, 12:47:33 PM CDT, Dan DiBiase <dan.dibiase@gmail.=

Yes, there are 7000-something individual cells bundled into about 15 module=
s that make up the battery pack in the Model 3/Y (77kWh battery). 

Dan D

Central NJ USA

 

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 12:07 PM James Dillner <[email-masked] <mailto=
:[email-masked]> > wrote:

This is a bit off topic, but did anyone see the pictures of the Tesla wreck=
 where the battery pack tore apart?  There were thousands of little sub-c c=
ells.....batteries.....scattered all over the place.  Somehow I never dream=
ed that those power packs were made up of cells all linked together. 

  _____  

Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] New MG Sports Car Concept 

Each to their own.  I can't see myself ever buying an EV based on the curre=
nt range and recharging situation where they are little more than toys for =
local journeys.  If I get to the point when I'm still around and driving bu=
t run out of satisfactory used 'real' cars to buy then I shall revert to us=
ing my V8 as a daily driver as I did before.

PaulH.

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=3Dpurple style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The el=
ectric MG=E2=80=99s from China are quite popular in the Netherlands nowaday=
s. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'm=
so-fareast-language:EN-US'>Price tag is half a Tesla model 3 price tag.<o:p=
></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-fare=
ast-language:EN-US'>VW launched their electrical variants now in their mode=
ls ID3 and ID4, where the ID3 is the most popular lease car currently.<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-farea=
st-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div style=3D'border:none;bo=
rder-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNorma=
l><b>Van:</b> Mgs &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>Namens </b>Paul Roo=
t<br><b>Verzonden:</b> dinsdag 6 april 2021 22:31<br><b>Aan:</b> Paul Noble=
 &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>CC:</b> mglist &lt;[email-masked]&gt=
;; MG-MGA-MGB &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: =
[Mgs] Off topic. Your mileage may vary. WAS Re: New MG Sports Car Concept<o=
:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal>The references I saw was 8 year 100k warranty&nbsp;for most of=
 the US, 10 year 150K for California.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DM=
soNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>The closest a=
pples to apples that I see would be the Ford Focus electric, or the VW Golf=
 E-something.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I think Telsa&nbsp;cost so much=
 because they are luxury cars. Also, Telsa&nbsp;is really a software compan=
y, not a car company. I'm still not convinced they will make it as more car=
 companies start building more electric cars. Reports I've seen,&nbsp;is th=
at build quality for the Model 3, especially, is not great.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p=
></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal>I don't buy cars very often, If I buy 4 more cars (daily dri=
vers) in my life, I would bet at least 2 will still have an engine.&nbsp;<o=
:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><di=
v><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 3:06 PM Paul Noble &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o=
:p></p></div><blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0=
pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>When I sa=
id I had heard that batteries only lasted 50k miles, that was a few years&n=
bsp;ago. Perhaps I was misinformed or perhaps the batteries have improved.<=
o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-si=
ze:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMs=
oNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>That said, I am still =
not convinced of the economics of the situation.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div=
><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'fon=
t-size:12.0pt;color:black'>It is difficult to make any kind of direct compa=
rison between a gasoline and an electric car. No one has, to my knowledge, =
ever put a gasoline engine in a Tesla. And while there have been many conve=
rsions in the opposite direction (replacing a gas engine with electric), th=
ese were not production vehicles. All the ones I've seen have simply replac=
ed the gas engine with an electric motor, while retaining the transmission,=
 clutch and differential. This is not optimal.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><=
/div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'=
><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D=
'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>The closest comparison I've ever seen was be=
tween a gasoline Honda Civic and the hybrid version of the same car. IIRC, =
the gas version got around 40 mpg, while the hybrid got 45. Given that the =
hybrid was over $3k more than the gas version, the payback period was many =
years.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span styl=
e=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><=
p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Why does a=
 Tesla cost so much? Who knows. It is almost certainly, in part, because it=
 is electric. But there are other factors, as well. Compared to GM, Honda a=
nd Toyota, the Tesla is a pretty limited production vehicle. Secondly, it c=
osts a LOT of money to start a car company from the ground up. Just ask Mal=
com Bricklin or John DeLorean. It may also be that Elon Musk made a conscio=
us decision to position the Tesla in an upscale market for luxury cars. For=
 some buyers, the high price is not a hindrance, but the primary attraction=
=2E<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'fon=
t-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>As far as EVs go,=
 we're still in the early-adopter stage. As more and more vehicles become a=
vailable, the economics will stabilize and the prices will come down.&nbsp;=
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-s=
ize:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DM=
soNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I'm guessing that in =
twenty years, maybe less, EVs will be the norm. Gas vehicles will be a nich=
e product, sort of like vinyl records have become. Right now, there are tee=
thing pains that must be overcome, and technical improvements that must be =
made, but all that will happen. One area that I suspect gas vehicles can ne=
ver compete with electric vehicles is emissions. Gas cars will never reach =
zero emissions. EVs are already there.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div clas=
s=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><hr size=3D2 width=
=3D"98%" align=3Dcenter></div><div id=3D"gmail-m_-3434465552149103660divRpl=
yFwdMsg"><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'color:black'>From:</span></=
b><span style=3D'color:black'> Paul Root &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ptroot@gmail=
=2Ecom" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday,=
 April 6, 2021 3:30 PM<br><b>To:</b> Paul Noble &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:noble=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b>=
 mglist &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">mgs@aut=
ox.team.net</a>&gt;; MG-MGA-MGB &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mg-mga-mgb@googlegrou=
ps.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject=
:</b> Re: Off topic. Your mileage may vary. WAS Re: [Mgs] New MG Sports Car=
 Concept</span> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p><=
/p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Jason of Engineering Explaine=
d, bought a Telsa&nbsp;Model 3 last year. He's done 2 2500 mile road trips,=
 summer, and winter. And, of course, has done youtube videos for them. Wort=
h a look.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
/p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I hadn't heard that the batteries only l=
ast 50k miles. The first hit on a google search says 100-150k and/or 8 year=
s.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div=
></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNo=
rmal>On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 2:19 PM Paul Noble &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:noblep=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o=
:p></p></div><blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0=
pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I've wond=
ered about the same things, regarding electric and hybrid cars.<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;c=
olor:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><sp=
an style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Another thing to consider is that=
 lithium is environmentally problematic, both in mining it and disposing of=
 it.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'fo=
nt-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>The problem is th=
at gasoline is still one of the most economical, safest and densest way to =
transport energy. In most cases, a tank of gasoline will take a car farther=
 than a fully charged battery will.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p clas=
s=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p=
></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt=
;color:black'>The battery pack is usually much larger than the gas tank, an=
d a lot heavier.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span=
 style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><=
div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I've =
never owned a Prius or any other hybrid, but I've heard that you're lucky t=
o get 50,000 miles on a set of batteries. Replacing them costs about $3-4k.=
 That's one reason I wouldn't even consider a used Prius, unless the seller=
 showed me receipts for a very recent battery replacement. A Prius (or Tesl=
a for that matter) without batteries is like a conventional car without an =
engine. It might be a good deal, but you have to factor in the cost of repl=
acing the batteries or engine.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p clas=
s=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p=
></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt=
;color:black'>Current (no pun intended) technology requires, I believe, a c=
ouple of hours, at least, to recharge a fully depleted set of batteries on =
a fully electric vehicle. That makes long trips a problem, if you have to s=
top every four hours for a two hour recharge. They could probably speed up =
the charging process but that would require much higher voltages or current=
 flow, both of which can be dangerous and create heat dissipation problems.=
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-s=
ize:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DM=
soNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I've heard stories th=
at rescue workers have been injured when trying to cut someone out of a cra=
shed hybrid vehicle and accidentally cut through the main battery cable. I =
know that first responders have been trained for this now, but this remains=
 a problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span styl=
e=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><=
p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Of course,=
 there is a chicken/egg problem with public charging stations. No one wants=
 to spend a lot of money installing public charging stations until there ar=
e a lot of EVs to use them. Conversely, many buyers are reluctant to buy an=
 EV because there are not many public charging stations. That is why one of=
 the features of the proposed infrastructure bill now being debated in Cong=
ress includes funding to build charging stations.<o:p></o:p></span></p></di=
v><div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><hr siz=
e=3D2 width=3D"98%" align=3Dcenter></div><div id=3D"gmail-m_-34344655521491=
03660x_gmail-m_-6992287651865967615divRplyFwdMsg"><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><=
span style=3D'color:black'>From:</span></b><span style=3D'color:black'> 'Pa=
ul C Resch' via MG-MGA-MGB &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
m" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Sent:</b> Tu=
esday, April 6, 2021 2:49 PM<br><b>To:</b> James Dillner &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; D=
an DiBiase &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">d=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> PaulBHunt73 &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; m=
glist &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">mgs@autox=
=2Eteam.net</a>&gt;; MG-MGA-MGB &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mg-mga-mgb@googlegrou=
ps.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject=
:</b> Off topic. Your mileage may vary. WAS Re: [Mgs] New MG Sports Car Con=
cept</span> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><=
/div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-siz=
e:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>I am just looking to have a d=
iscussion, not an angry argument but feel I am missing something.<o:p></o:p=
></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt=
;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><di=
v><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times N=
ew Roman",serif'>When I had a Mazda6 I noticed the similarity to the Tesla =
S. Turns out same guy Franz von Holzhausen designed both.&nbsp; Pretty simi=
lar.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'fo=
nt-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span=
></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-f=
amily:"Times New Roman",serif'>Presuming the cars mission is the same.&nbsp=
; Build quality similar, tire usage and performance in real world use equiv=
alent I did some comparisons.&nbsp; Stupid fast Tesla acceleration is as us=
eless as the Masda6's 600 mile per tank range.&nbsp; &nbsp;My bladder needs=
 stops more frequently than 9 hours.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman=
",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>In 100,000 m=
iles Tesla recharges ($22.00 for 250 miles, I got this from Tesla) would ru=
n $8,800.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;=
font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>In 100.00 at $2.75 a gallon, 35 miles =
per US Gallon and 10 - $65 oil changes the total is about $8,500.<o:p></o:p=
></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt=
;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><di=
v><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times N=
ew Roman",serif'>But the Tesla costs over $70,000 and the Mazda6 half that.=
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-s=
ize:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-famil=
y:"Times New Roman",serif'>Even if recharging at home was free, in 100,000 =
I am $25,000 dollars ahead.&nbsp; I am negating resale.&nbsp; A 100,000 Maz=
da6 is nicely broken in.. What's the $16.000 Tesla's battery life expectanc=
y.&nbsp; I just do not know.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMso=
Normal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'=
><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D=
'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>And a trip such as I=
 just took to Montana last October, 5,000 miles would be nearly impossible.=
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-s=
ize:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-famil=
y:"Times New Roman",serif'>I was in areas where gas stations were few and f=
ar between and charging non-existent.&nbsp; One hotel out of 13 had chargin=
g stations.&nbsp; Rapid charging hurts battery life.&nbsp; Standing around =
for a half hour a couple of times a day could get old.<o:p></o:p></span></p=
></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-famil=
y:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",=
serif'>I think the European model of changeable battery packs is what will =
win.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'fo=
nt-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span=
></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-f=
amily:"Times New Roman",serif'>Design a platform where you pull in, drop th=
e vehicle into a system much like an automated car wash, and come back in 5=
 minutes with a fresh battery.&nbsp; Changed from below.<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-fam=
ily:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p clas=
s=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"=
,serif'>Automatically changed.&nbsp; SUVs might&nbsp; have two batteries.&n=
bsp; Trucks might have more.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMso=
Normal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'=
><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D=
'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Your state of charge=
, car's pathway and prediction of needed packs would report to your car you=
r assigned swap spot so A: you knew you would have a battery ready and B: t=
hat there was no need to squeeze every last drop out of yours.&nbsp; You'd =
pay a charge to belong to the system and what your battery had left. So if =
you wanted to stop every 2 hours for a rest break, just swap the half used =
battery.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;=
font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>I learned that in Wolfsburg's VW facto=
ry it is rare for the same model to be built in order as the robots don't c=
are.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'fo=
nt-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span=
></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-f=
amily:"Times New Roman",serif'>The infrastructure of charging stations and =
having enough spigots is tough to see until many years from now.<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;=
font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times Ne=
w Roman",serif'>So please, I take trips, not a lot and yes, I could just re=
nt a car for trips, but the current model works for me.<o:p></o:p></span></=
p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-fami=
ly:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",=
serif'>A fun read on this topic, tongue firmly in cheek is:<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Rom=
an",serif'><a href=3D"https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a15112705/2013-=
tesla-model-s-vs-1915-ford-model-t-race-of-the-centuries-feature/" target=
=3D"_blank">1915 Ford Model T vs. 2013 Tesla Model S: Race of the Centuries=
</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'fo=
nt-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span=
></p></div><div id=3D"gmail-m_-3434465552149103660x_gmail-m_-69922876518659=
67615x_ydpf9e5fe71enhancr_card_8017187199"><table class=3DMsoNormalTable bo=
rder=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpadding=3D0 style=3D'max-width:300.0pt'><tr><t=
d width=3D400 style=3D'width:300.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><table class=
=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D1 cellspacing=3D0 cellpadding=3D0 style=3D'max-w=
idth:300.0pt;border:solid #E0E4E9 1.0pt'><tr style=3D'height:105.0pt'><td v=
align=3Dtop style=3D'border:none;background:black;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;h=
eight:105.0pt'><table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cel=
lpadding=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%'><tr><td valign=3Dtop sty=
le=3D'padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cel=
lspacing=3D3 cellpadding=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%'><tr><td =
valign=3Dtop style=3D'padding:11.25pt 0cm 0cm 11.25pt'></td><td valign=3Dto=
p style=3D'padding:11.25pt 11.25pt 0cm 0cm'></td></tr></table></td></tr></t=
able></td></tr><tr><td style=3D'border:none;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;border-=
radius:0px 0px 0px 2px'><div align=3Dcenter><table class=3DMsoNormalTable b=
order=3D1 cellspacing=3D0 cellpadding=3D0 style=3D'max-width:300.0pt;backgr=
ound:white;border:none;border-top:solid #E0E4E9 1.0pt;border-radius:0px 0px=
 2px 2px'><tr><td valign=3Dtop style=3D'border:none;padding:12.0pt 0cm 12.0=
pt 9.0pt'></td><td width=3D"99%" style=3D'width:99.0%;border:none;padding:9=
=2E0pt 18.0pt 12.0pt 9.0pt;border-radius:0px 0px 2px'><h2 style=3D'mso-marg=
in-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:4.5pt;margin-left:0cm;line-he=
ight:14.25pt'><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-s=
erif;color:#26282A'>1915 Ford Model T vs. 2013 Tesla Model S: Race of the C=
enturies<o:p></o:p></span></h2><p style=3D'margin:0cm;line-height:12.0pt'><=
span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:#979B=
A7'>We stage a multi-state enduro to find out if today's automotive pioneer=
 can outrun its predecessor.<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table></div><=
/td></tr></table></td></tr></table></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span st=
yle=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0=
pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><=
div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times=
 New Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNor=
mal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o=
:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'fo=
nt-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span=
></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-f=
amily:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p cl=
ass=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roma=
n",serif'>Paul Resch USA Cell phone 661-645-5266 email addresses <a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> <a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</=
a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;=
font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div></di=
v><div id=3D"gmail-m_-3434465552149103660x_gmail-m_-6992287651865967615x_yd=
p7f46dc1ayahoo_quoted_8717513317"><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span styl=
e=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>On =
Tuesday, April 6, 2021, 12:47:33 PM CDT, Dan DiBiase &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrot=
e: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'fon=
t-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:1=
0.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p></div><div><div id=3D"gmail-m_-3434465552149103660x_gmail-m_-69922=
87651865967615x_ydp7f46dc1ayiv7836723387"><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><s=
pan style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#262=
82A'>Yes, there are 7000-something individual&nbsp;cells bundled into about=
 15 modules that make up the battery pack in the Model 3/Y (77kWh battery).=
 <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:1=
0.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Dan D<o:p></o:p></span></p>=
</div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family=
:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Central NJ USA<br clear=3Dall><o:p><=
/o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-siz=
e:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><a href=3D"http:=
//dandibiase.cbintouch.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://dandibiase.cbintouch.=
com/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'=
><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p=
>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div id=3D"gmail-m_-3434465552149103660x_gmail-m_-6=
992287651865967615x_ydp7f46dc1ayiv7836723387yqt18265"><div><div><p class=3D=
MsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-seri=
f;color:#26282A'>On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 12:07 PM James Dillner &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style=3D'border:none;bor=
der-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;ma=
rgin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.=
0pt;color:black'>This is a bit off topic, but did anyone see the pictures o=
f the Tesla wreck where the battery pack tore apart?&nbsp; There were thous=
ands of little sub-c cells.....batteries.....scattered all over the place.&=
nbsp; Somehow I never dreamed that those power packs were made up of cells =
all linked together.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=3D=
MsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:cen=
ter'><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;col=
or:#26282A'><hr size=3D2 width=3D"98%" align=3Dcenter></span></div><div id=
=3D"gmail-m_-3434465552149103660x_gmail-m_-6992287651865967615x_ydp7f46dc1a=
yiv7836723387gmail-m_1494527823292593023divRplyFwdMsg"><p class=3DMsoNormal=
><b><span style=3D'color:black'>From:</span></b><span style=3D'color:black'=
> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">mg-mga-m=
[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; on behalf of PaulBHun=
t73 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">paulbhun=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 6, 2021 11:40 AM<br><b=
>Cc:</b> mglist &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank"=
>[email-masked]</a>&gt;; MG-MGA-MGB &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:MG-MGA-MGB@go=
oglegroups.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b=
>Subject:</b> Re: [Mgs] New MG Sports Car Concept</span><span style=3D'font=
-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p>=
</span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-f=
amily:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></d=
iv></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span st=
yle=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>E=
ach to their own.&nbsp; I can't see myself&nbsp;ever buying an EV based on =
the current range and recharging situation where they are little more than =
toys for local journeys.&nbsp; If&nbsp;I get to the point when I'm still ar=
ound and driving but&nbsp;run out of satisfactory used&nbsp;'real' cars&nbs=
p;to buy then I shall revert to using my V8 as a daily driver as I did befo=
re.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'backgroun=
d:white'><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif=
;color:#26282A'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal=
 style=3D'background:white'><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"He=
lvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>PaulH.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><block=
quote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0c=
m 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:=
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p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span style=3D'font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Hans - one could argu=
e that this concept IS a modern set-up.... ;-) Based on my first month with=
 my Tesla Model Y, I'd absolutely consider anything with an electric drivet=
rain from this point on. I don't plan to buy another internal combustion ve=
hicle for my daily use.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote><p cl=
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