Subject: Re: [Mgs] Turn Signal Stalk

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You=E2=80=99re correct Simon.

On top of that =E2=80=93 the loudness was needed, because the Citro=C3=ABn =
2CV makes a lot of noise by itself!

I have had a 1970 2CV4 in 1974 =E2=80=93 was nice to drive this as a youngs=
ter.

Nothing in between the driver and passenger =F0=9F=98=8A.

Umbrella like gearstick was in the dashboard.

Cheers,

Hans

71 BGT

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Verzonden: maandag 4 januari 2021 16:52

Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Turn Signal Stalk

Citroens of that era needed a loud warning, because the indicators were not=
 self-cancelling. 

Simon

lanet.nl> > wrote:

The early seventies Citro=C3=ABn 2CV had a very loud almost deafening click=
 sound. Nobody forgot to cancel the stalk.

Cheers, Hans

=E2=80=9971 BGT

Namens Michael MacLean
Verzonden: zondag 3 januari 2021 23:59
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Turn Signal Stalk

The "beeper" is a great idea.

Mike M

On Sunday, January 3, 2021, 2:41:47 PM PST, Robert's New iPad <mgbobh@gmail=

Hi Mike,

   It is supposed to be self-cancelling, though that does require about 1/4=
 turn of the steering wheel to engage the cancelling mechanism.

   If you remove the steering column cover, a bit of a trick in itself, you=
 will see from the left the steering column.  On it should be a black sprin=
g clip that has a squared bump shape.  That bump should be on same plane as=
 the =E2=80=9CC=E2=80=9D shaped plastic claws on the turn signal control.  =
With wheels straight ahead and the steering wheel centred, that bump should=
 be mid-way between the two claws.

   The way it is supposed to work is that when the turn lever is set for tu=
rns, the spring clip, as it swings around on the column, contacts one of th=
e C claws, dislodging it from where it is parked, and the system cancels.

   On most roads in CT, the radius of turns at intersections is great enoug=
h that the self-cancel does not engage.  I put an inexpensive beeper into t=
he circuit at the flasher unit, as the little indicator lights are dim.

  Some have fitted brighter LEDs in place of the signal indicators. Having =
bloodied myself sufficiently when installing LEDs into the instruments, I w=
ill leave the signal indicators to some distant time in the future when I m=
ight have the dashboard out.  

  It=E2=80=99s my opinion that the easiest way to address your question is =
to ensure that the cancelling device is set properly and to install a sound=
-making device/beeper, then to appreciate that our roads are wider and inte=
rsections built with greater radius than those in the UK when these cancell=
ing devices were thought to be an improvement over the pneumatic, time-sens=
itive devices used in TDs, TFs and MGAs.

Bob

On Jan 3, 2021, at 3:24 PM, Michael MacLean <[email-masked] <mailt=
o:[email-masked]> > wrote:

Just wondering.  Is the turn signal stalk on my 69 MGB GT supposed to be se=
lf canceling? As it is right now, I have to remember to put it back in the =
middle position after making a turn.  This is something I am used to becaus=
e my Bugeye has a three position switch on the dash that you have to click =
back to the center position after making a turn.  On the Bugeye though, it'=
s a little bit easier because there is a huge bright green light right in f=
ront of your face on the dash.  In fact, you can't ignore it at night it is=
 so bright blinking at you.  Not so with the MG.  The lights are two little=
 dim illuminated arrows.  While they are somewhat noticeable at night, you =
just don't notice these lights in the daytime.  Sorry, just sitting around =
on a Sunday morning and needed something to complain about.

Mike MacLean

1969 MGB GT

1960 Bugeye

1956 Austin Healey BN2

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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>You=E2=80=99re correct =
Simon.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>On top of that =E2=80=93 the =
loudness was needed, because the Citro=C3=ABn 2CV makes a lot of noise =
by itself!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I have had a 1970 2CV4 in 1974 =
=E2=80=93 was nice to drive this as a youngster.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Nothing in between the driver and =
passenger </span><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI =
Emoji",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>&#128522;</span><span =
lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Umbrella like gearstick was in the =
dashboard.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hans<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>71 =
BGT<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>Van:</b> Simon Matthews &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt; <br><b>Verzonden:</b> maandag 4 januari 2021 16:52<br><b>Aan:</b> =
Hans Duinhoven &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b=
>CC:</b> Michael MacLean &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; =
Robert's New iPad &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; Mglist &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Onder=
werp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Turn Signal Stalk<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Citroens of that era needed a loud warning, because =
the indicators were not self-cancelling. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Simon<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 1:10 AM &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>The early seventies Citro=C3=ABn 2CV had a very loud almost =
deafening click sound. Nobody forgot to cancel the =
stalk.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Cheers, Hans</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>=E2=80=9971 BGT</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>Van:</b> =
Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>Namens =
</b>Michael MacLean<br><b>Verzonden:</b> zondag 3 januari 2021 =
23:59<br><b>Aan:</b> Robert's New iPad &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>CC:</b> Mglist &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: =
[Mgs] Turn Signal Stalk<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>The =
&quot;beeper&quot; is a great idea.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Mike =
M</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div =
id=3D"gmail-m_-5350170426688396703yahoo_quoted_0391157218"><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>On Sunday, January 3, 2021, 2:41:47 PM PST, Robert's New iPad &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote: =
</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div =
id=3D"gmail-m_-5350170426688396703yiv3136677636"><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Hi Mike,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp; &nbsp;It is supposed to be self-cancelling, though that does =
require about 1/4 turn of the steering wheel to engage the cancelling =
mechanism.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp; &nbsp;If you remove the steering column cover, a bit of a =
trick in itself, you will see from the left the steering column.&nbsp; =
On it should be a black spring clip that has a squared bump shape.&nbsp; =
That bump should be on same plane as the =E2=80=9CC=E2=80=9D shaped =
plastic claws on the turn signal control.&nbsp; With wheels straight =
ahead and the steering wheel centred, that bump should be mid-way =
between the two claws.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp; &nbsp;The way it is supposed to work is that when the turn =
lever is set for turns, the spring clip, as it swings around on the =
column, contacts one of the C claws, dislodging it from where it is =
parked, and the system cancels.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp; &nbsp;On most roads in CT, the radius of turns at =
intersections is great enough that the self-cancel does not =
engage.&nbsp; I put an inexpensive beeper into the circuit at the =
flasher unit, as the little indicator lights are =
dim.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp; Some have fitted brighter LEDs in place of the signal =
indicators. Having bloodied myself sufficiently when installing LEDs =
into the instruments, I will leave the signal indicators to some distant =
time in the future when I might have the dashboard out. =
&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp; It=E2=80=99s my opinion that the easiest way to address your =
question is to ensure that the cancelling device is set properly and to =
install a sound-making device/beeper, then to appreciate that our roads =
are wider and intersections built with greater radius than those in the =
UK when these cancelling devices were thought to be an improvement over =
the pneumatic, time-sensitive devices used in TDs, TFs and =
MGAs.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Bob</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div =
id=3D"gmail-m_-5350170426688396703yiv3136677636yqt87853"><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><br>On Jan 3, 2021, at 3:24 PM, Michael MacLean &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Just wondering.&nbsp; Is the turn signal stalk on my 69 MGB GT =
supposed to be self canceling? As it is right now, I have to remember to =
put it back in the middle position after making a turn.&nbsp; This is =
something I am used to because my Bugeye has a three position switch on =
the dash that you have to click back to the center position after making =
a turn.&nbsp; On the Bugeye though, it's a little bit easier because =
there is a huge bright green light right in front of your face on the =
dash.&nbsp; In fact, you can't ignore it at night it is so bright =
blinking at you.&nbsp; Not so with the MG.&nbsp; The lights are two =
little dim illuminated arrows.&nbsp; While they are somewhat noticeable =
at night, you just don't notice these lights in the daytime.&nbsp; =
Sorry, just sitting around on a Sunday morning and needed something to =
complain about.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div =
id=3D"gmail-m_-5350170426688396703yiv3136677636yMail_cursorElementTracker=
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A'>Mike MacLean</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div =
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_1609705443149"><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>1969 MGB GT</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div =
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