Subject: [Mgs] Turn Signal Stalk

From: Michael MacLean <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2021 20:24:56 +0000 (UTC)

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Just wondering.=C2=A0 Is the turn signal stalk on my 69 MGB GT supposed to =
be self canceling? As it is right now, I have to remember to put it back in=
 the middle position after making a turn.=C2=A0 This is something I am used=
 to because my Bugeye has a three position switch on the dash that you have=
 to click back to the center position after making a turn.=C2=A0 On the Bug=
eye though, it's a little bit easier because there is a huge bright green l=
ight right in front of your face on the dash.=C2=A0 In fact, you can't igno=
re it at night it is so bright blinking at you.=C2=A0 Not so with the MG.=
=C2=A0 The lights are two little dim illuminated arrows.=C2=A0 While they a=
re somewhat noticeable at night, you just don't notice these lights in the =
daytime.=C2=A0 Sorry, just sitting around on a Sunday morning and needed so=
mething to complain about.Mike MacLean1969 MGB GT1960 Bugeye1956 Austin Hea=
ley BN2

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Just wondering.&nbsp; Is the turn signal stalk on my 69 MGB GT supposed to =
be self canceling? As it is right now, I have to remember to put it back in=
 the middle position after making a turn.&nbsp; This is something I am used=
 to because my Bugeye has a three position switch on the dash that you have=
 to click back to the center position after making a turn.&nbsp; On the Bug=
eye though, it's a little bit easier because there is a huge bright green l=
ight right in front of your face on the dash.&nbsp; In fact, you can't igno=
re it at night it is so bright blinking at you.&nbsp; Not so with the MG.&n=
bsp; The lights are two little dim illuminated arrows.&nbsp; While they are=
 somewhat noticeable at night, you just don't notice these lights in the da=
ytime.&nbsp; Sorry, just sitting around on a Sunday morning and needed some=
thing to complain about.<div id=3D"yMail_cursorElementTracker_1609705432469=
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From: i erbs <[email-masked]>
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Try led lights :(

I think they are self canceling

Ira Erbs
1959 AH 100-6
1967 MGB
Milwaukie, OR

On Sun, Jan 3, 2021, 12:25 PM Michael MacLean <[email-masked]>
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> Just wondering.  Is the turn signal stalk on my 69 MGB GT supposed to be
> self canceling? As it is right now, I have to remember to put it back in
> the middle position after making a turn.  This is something I am used to
> because my Bugeye has a three position switch on the dash that you have to
> click back to the center position after making a turn.  On the Bugeye
> though, it's a little bit easier because there is a huge bright green light
> right in front of your face on the dash.  In fact, you can't ignore it at
> night it is so bright blinking at you.  Not so with the MG.  The lights are
> two little dim illuminated arrows.  While they are somewhat noticeable at
> night, you just don't notice these lights in the daytime.  Sorry, just
> sitting around on a Sunday morning and needed something to complain about.
> Mike MacLean
> 1969 MGB GT
> 1960 Bugeye
> 1956 Austin Healey BN2
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<div dir=3D"auto">Try led lights :(<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"=
auto">I think they are self canceling=C2=A0<br><br><div data-smartmail=3D"g=
mail_signature" dir=3D"auto">Ira Erbs<br>1959 AH 100-6<br>1967 MGB<br>Milwa=
ukie, OR</div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" c=
lass=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Jan 3, 2021, 12:25 PM Michael MacLean &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote=
:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bor=
der-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Just wondering.=C2=A0 Is the turn=
 signal stalk on my 69 MGB GT supposed to be self canceling? As it is right=
 now, I have to remember to put it back in the middle position after making=
 a turn.=C2=A0 This is something I am used to because my Bugeye has a three=
 position switch on the dash that you have to click back to the center posi=
tion after making a turn.=C2=A0 On the Bugeye though, it&#39;s a little bit=
 easier because there is a huge bright green light right in front of your f=
ace on the dash.=C2=A0 In fact, you can&#39;t ignore it at night it is so b=
right blinking at you.=C2=A0 Not so with the MG.=C2=A0 The lights are two l=
ittle dim illuminated arrows.=C2=A0 While they are somewhat noticeable at n=
ight, you just don&#39;t notice these lights in the daytime.=C2=A0 Sorry, j=
ust sitting around on a Sunday morning and needed something to complain abo=
ut.<div id=3D"m_659023762180530326yMail_cursorElementTracker_1609705432469"=
>Mike MacLean</div><div id=3D"m_659023762180530326yMail_cursorElementTracke=
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British cars are notorious for the self-canceling not working.  If you =
drive them a lot, you get in the habit of doing it manually.  Then you =
start doing it on the Honda!

=20

From: Mgs <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of i erbs
Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2021 2:43 PM
To: Michael MacLean <[email-masked]>
Cc: Mglist <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Turn Signal Stalk

=20

Try led lights :(

=20

I think they are self canceling=20

Ira Erbs
1959 AH 100-6
1967 MGB
Milwaukie, OR

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On Sun, Jan 3, 2021, 12:25 PM Michael MacLean <[email-masked] =

Just wondering.  Is the turn signal stalk on my 69 MGB GT supposed to be =
self canceling? As it is right now, I have to remember to put it back in =
the middle position after making a turn.  This is something I am used to =
because my Bugeye has a three position switch on the dash that you have =
to click back to the center position after making a turn.  On the Bugeye =
though, it's a little bit easier because there is a huge bright green =
light right in front of your face on the dash.  In fact, you can't =
ignore it at night it is so bright blinking at you.  Not so with the MG. =
 The lights are two little dim illuminated arrows.  While they are =
somewhat noticeable at night, you just don't notice these lights in the =
daytime.  Sorry, just sitting around on a Sunday morning and needed =
something to complain about.

Mike MacLean

1969 MGB GT

1960 Bugeye

1956 Austin Healey BN2

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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>British cars are notorious for =
the self-canceling not working.=C2=A0 If you drive them a lot, you get =
in the habit of doing it manually.=C2=A0 Then you start doing it on the =
Honda!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Mgs =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>i =
erbs<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 3, 2021 2:43 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
Michael MacLean &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> Mglist =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mgs] Turn Signal =
Stalk<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Try led =
lights :(<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I think they are self =
canceling&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Ira Erbs<br>1959 =
AH 100-6<br>1967 MGB<br>Milwaukie, OR<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Sun, Jan 3, 2021, 12:25 PM Michael MacLean &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
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style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal>Just =
wondering.&nbsp; Is the turn signal stalk on my 69 MGB GT supposed to be =
self canceling? As it is right now, I have to remember to put it back in =
the middle position after making a turn.&nbsp; This is something I am =
used to because my Bugeye has a three position switch on the dash that =
you have to click back to the center position after making a turn.&nbsp; =
On the Bugeye though, it's a little bit easier because there is a huge =
bright green light right in front of your face on the dash.&nbsp; In =
fact, you can't ignore it at night it is so bright blinking at =
you.&nbsp; Not so with the MG.&nbsp; The lights are two little dim =
illuminated arrows.&nbsp; While they are somewhat noticeable at night, =
you just don't notice these lights in the daytime.&nbsp; Sorry, just =
sitting around on a Sunday morning and needed something to complain =
about.<o:p></o:p></p><div =
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class=3DMsoNormal>Mike MacLean<o:p></o:p></p></div><div =
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class=3DMsoNormal>1969 MGB GT<o:p></o:p></p></div><div =
id=3D"m_659023762180530326yMail_cursorElementTracker_1609705453045"><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>1960 Bugeye<o:p></o:p></p></div><div =
id=3D"m_659023762180530326yMail_cursorElementTracker_1609705469792"><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>1956 Austin Healey =
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Yes, they should self-cancel.  At least with my =E2=80=9971, it helps to dr=
op the steering column (only a few inches, but it helps) to remove the clam=
shell casing around the pair of stalks=E2=80=94we just replaced the left-ha=
nd unit on my car, as the high beam setting didn=E2=80=99t work.  Installin=
g the new unit was NOT easy=E2=80=A6.

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they should self-cancel.=C2=A0 At least with my =E2=80=9971, it helps to dr=
op the steering column (only a few inches, but it helps) to remove the clam=
shell casing around the pair of stalks=E2=80=94we just replaced the left-ha=
nd unit on my car, as the high beam setting didn=E2=80=99t work.=C2=A0 Inst=
alling the new unit was NOT easy=E2=80=A6.</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Sarah Carr</p><p class=3DMsoNormal>=E2=80=
=9971 B/GT in PA</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMs=
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Hi Mike,
   It is supposed to be self-cancelling, though that does require about 1/4 t=
urn of the steering wheel to engage the cancelling mechanism.
   If you remove the steering column cover, a bit of a trick in itself, you w=
ill see from the left the steering column.  On it should be a black spring c=
lip that has a squared bump shape.  That bump should be on same plane as the=
 =E2=80=9CC=E2=80=9D shaped plastic claws on the turn signal control.  With w=
heels straight ahead and the steering wheel centred, that bump should be mid=
-way between the two claws.
   The way it is supposed to work is that when the turn lever is set for tur=
ns, the spring clip, as it swings around on the column, contacts one of the C=
 claws, dislodging it from where it is parked, and the system cancels.
   On most roads in CT, the radius of turns at intersections is great enough=
 that the self-cancel does not engage.  I put an inexpensive beeper into the=
 circuit at the flasher unit, as the little indicator lights are dim.
  Some have fitted brighter LEDs in place of the signal indicators. Having b=
loodied myself sufficiently when installing LEDs into the instruments, I wil=
l leave the signal indicators to some distant time in the future when I migh=
t have the dashboard out. =20
  It=E2=80=99s my opinion that the easiest way to address your question is t=
o ensure that the cancelling device is set properly and to install a sound-m=
aking device/beeper, then to appreciate that our roads are wider and interse=
ctions built with greater radius than those in the UK when these cancelling d=
evices were thought to be an improvement over the pneumatic, time-sensitive d=
evices used in TDs, TFs and MGAs.
Bob

> On Jan 3, 2021, at 3:24 PM, Michael MacLean <[email-masked]> wrot=
e:
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> Just wondering.  Is the turn signal stalk on my 69 MGB GT supposed to be s=
elf canceling? As it is right now, I have to remember to put it back in the m=
iddle position after making a turn.  This is something I am used to because m=
y Bugeye has a three position switch on the dash that you have to click back=
 to the center position after making a turn.  On the Bugeye though, it's a l=
ittle bit easier because there is a huge bright green light right in front o=
f your face on the dash.  In fact, you can't ignore it at night it is so bri=
ght blinking at you.  Not so with the MG.  The lights are two little dim ill=
uminated arrows.  While they are somewhat noticeable at night, you just don'=
t notice these lights in the daytime.  Sorry, just sitting around on a Sunda=
y morning and needed something to complain about.
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utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi M=
ike,</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; &nbsp;It is supposed to be self-cancelling=
, though that does require about 1/4 turn of the steering wheel to engage th=
e cancelling mechanism.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; &nbsp;If you remove the=
 steering column cover, a bit of a trick in itself, you will see from the le=
ft the steering column. &nbsp;On it should be a black spring clip that has a=
 squared bump shape. &nbsp;That bump should be on same plane as the =E2=80=9C=
C=E2=80=9D shaped plastic claws on the turn signal control. &nbsp;With wheel=
s straight ahead and the steering wheel centred, that bump should be mid-way=
 between the two claws.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; &nbsp;The way it is sup=
posed to work is that when the turn lever is set for turns, the spring clip,=
 as it swings around on the column, contacts one of the C claws, dislodging i=
t from where it is parked, and the system cancels.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nb=
sp; &nbsp;On most roads in CT, the radius of turns at intersections is great=
 enough that the self-cancel does not engage. &nbsp;I put an inexpensive bee=
per into the circuit at the flasher unit, as the little indicator lights are=
 dim.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; Some have fitted brighter LEDs in place o=
f the signal indicators. Having bloodied myself sufficiently when installing=
 LEDs into the instruments, I will leave the signal indicators to some dista=
nt time in the future when I might have the dashboard out. &nbsp;</div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; It=E2=80=99s my opinion that the easiest way to address yo=
ur question is to ensure that the cancelling device is set properly and to i=
nstall a sound-making device/beeper, then to appreciate that our roads are w=
ider and intersections built with greater radius than those in the UK when t=
hese cancelling devices were thought to be an improvement over the pneumatic=
, time-sensitive devices used in TDs, TFs and MGAs.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Bo=
b</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jan 3, 2021, at 3:=
24 PM, Michael MacLean &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">rrengi=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div=
 dir=3D"ltr">Just wondering.&nbsp; Is the turn signal stalk on my 69 MGB GT s=
upposed to be self canceling? As it is right now, I have to remember to put i=
t back in the middle position after making a turn.&nbsp; This is something I=
 am used to because my Bugeye has a three position switch on the dash that y=
ou have to click back to the center position after making a turn.&nbsp; On t=
he Bugeye though, it's a little bit easier because there is a huge bright gr=
een light right in front of your face on the dash.&nbsp; In fact, you can't i=
gnore it at night it is so bright blinking at you.&nbsp; Not so with the MG.=
&nbsp; The lights are two little dim illuminated arrows.&nbsp; While they ar=
e somewhat noticeable at night, you just don't notice these lights in the da=
ytime.&nbsp; Sorry, just sitting around on a Sunday morning and needed somet=
hing to complain about.<div id=3D"yMail_cursorElementTracker_1609705432469">=
Mike MacLean</div><div id=3D"yMail_cursorElementTracker_1609705443149">1969 M=
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From: Michael MacLean <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2021 22:59:01 +0000 (UTC)

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 The "beeper" is a great idea.Mike M

    On Sunday, January 3, 2021, 2:41:47 PM PST, Robert's New iPad <mgbobh@g=
mail.com> wrote: =20
=20
 Hi Mike,=C2=A0 =C2=A0It is supposed to be self-cancelling, though that doe=
s require about 1/4 turn of the steering wheel to engage the cancelling mec=
hanism.=C2=A0 =C2=A0If you remove the steering column cover, a bit of a tri=
ck in itself, you will see from the left the steering column. =C2=A0On it s=
hould be a black spring clip that has a squared bump shape. =C2=A0That bump=
 should be on same plane as the =E2=80=9CC=E2=80=9D shaped plastic claws on=
 the turn signal control. =C2=A0With wheels straight ahead and the steering=
 wheel centred, that bump should be mid-way between the two claws.=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0The way it is supposed to work is that when the turn lever is set for=
 turns, the spring clip, as it swings around on the column, contacts one of=
 the C claws, dislodging it from where it is parked, and the system cancels=
.=C2=A0 =C2=A0On most roads in CT, the radius of turns at intersections is =
great enough that the self-cancel does not engage. =C2=A0I put an inexpensi=
ve beeper into the circuit at the flasher unit, as the little indicator lig=
hts are dim.=C2=A0 Some have fitted brighter LEDs in place of the signal in=
dicators. Having bloodied myself sufficiently when installing LEDs into the=
 instruments, I will leave the signal indicators to some distant time in th=
e future when I might have the dashboard out. =C2=A0=C2=A0 It=E2=80=99s my =
opinion that the easiest way to address your question is to ensure that the=
 cancelling device is set properly and to install a sound-making device/bee=
per, then to appreciate that our roads are wider and intersections built wi=
th greater radius than those in the UK when these cancelling devices were t=
hought to be an improvement over the pneumatic, time-sensitive devices used=
 in TDs, TFs and MGAs.Bob

On Jan 3, 2021, at 3:24 PM, Michael MacLean <[email-masked]> wrote=
:

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                    On Sunday, January 3, 2021, 2:41:47 PM PST, Robert's Ne=
w iPad &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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                <div><br></div>
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                <div><div id=3D"yiv3136677636"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"></div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Mike,</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; &nbsp;It is supposed=
 to be self-cancelling, though that does require about 1/4 turn of the stee=
ring wheel to engage the cancelling mechanism.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;=
 &nbsp;If you remove the steering column cover, a bit of a trick in itself,=
 you will see from the left the steering column. &nbsp;On it should be a bl=
ack spring clip that has a squared bump shape. &nbsp;That bump should be on=
 same plane as the =E2=80=9CC=E2=80=9D shaped plastic claws on the turn sig=
nal control. &nbsp;With wheels straight ahead and the steering wheel centre=
d, that bump should be mid-way between the two claws.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
>&nbsp; &nbsp;The way it is supposed to work is that when the turn lever is=
 set for turns, the spring clip, as it swings around on the column, contact=
s one of the C claws, dislodging it from where it is parked, and the system=
 cancels.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; &nbsp;On most roads in CT, the radiu=
s of turns at intersections is great enough that the self-cancel does not e=
ngage. &nbsp;I put an inexpensive beeper into the circuit at the flasher un=
it, as the little indicator lights are dim.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; So=
me have fitted brighter LEDs in place of the signal indicators. Having bloo=
died myself sufficiently when installing LEDs into the instruments, I will =
leave the signal indicators to some distant time in the future when I might=
 have the dashboard out. &nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; It=E2=80=99s m=
y opinion that the easiest way to address your question is to ensure that t=
he cancelling device is set properly and to install a sound-making device/b=
eeper, then to appreciate that our roads are wider and intersections built =
with greater radius than those in the UK when these cancelling devices were=
 thought to be an improvement over the pneumatic, time-sensitive devices us=
ed in TDs, TFs and MGAs.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><b=
r clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv3136677636yqt2347117774" id=3D"yiv3=
136677636yqt87853"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">On Jan 3, 2021, at 3=
:24 PM, Michael MacLean &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=
=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<=
br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">Just wondering.&nbsp; Is the turn signal stalk on my 69 MGB GT s=
upposed to be self canceling? As it is right now, I have to remember to put=
 it back in the middle position after making a turn.&nbsp; This is somethin=
g I am used to because my Bugeye has a three position switch on the dash th=
at you have to click back to the center position after making a turn.&nbsp;=
 On the Bugeye though, it's a little bit easier because there is a huge bri=
ght green light right in front of your face on the dash.&nbsp; In fact, you=
 can't ignore it at night it is so bright blinking at you.&nbsp; Not so wit=
h the MG.&nbsp; The lights are two little dim illuminated arrows.&nbsp; Whi=
le they are somewhat noticeable at night, you just don't notice these light=
s in the daytime.&nbsp; Sorry, just sitting around on a Sunday morning and =
needed something to complain about.<div id=3D"yiv3136677636yMail_cursorElem=
entTracker_1609705432469">Mike MacLean</div><div id=3D"yiv3136677636yMail_c=
ursorElementTracker_1609705443149">1969 MGB GT</div><div id=3D"yiv313667763=
6yMail_cursorElementTracker_1609705453045">1960 Bugeye</div><div id=3D"yiv3=
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Yes.  Around 1969 (may have been earlier for North America) the =
cancelling device changed from a peg screwed into the column to a clip.  =
To get the peg in the right place the column shaft has to be turned =
relative to the rack shaft using the UJ, but the clip can be slid round. =
 Peg or clip should be facing the switch i.e. between the two cancelling =
fingers on the switch so only about 1/4 turn is needed for cancelling.  =
When you make the turn the peg or clip just lifts the finger on the =
switch out of the way, and when the steering is straightened again the =
peg or clip hits the end of the finger to move the switch.  However I've =
come across a few cases where the peg is pointing away from the switch =
and 3/4 of a turn of the wheel is needed before these cancel.

If you change the dash lamps to LED you will probably find the flashing =
speed reduces, and if you change the corners of the car to LEDs as well =
the flasher unit to be changed and you lose the drivers warning of bulb =
failure that the original system has.

A buzzer or beeper can be connected to the two terminals on the flasher =
unit that carry the green and light-green/brown wires and will sound in =
anti-phase to the lights, but only when the switch is operated.

PaulH.

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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Yes.&nbsp; Around 1969 (may have been earlier for =
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terminals on=20
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will sound=20
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operated.</FONT></DIV>
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Nothing to do with LEDs or not, it is the stalk mechanism that cancels.
  ----- Original Message -----=20

  Try led lights :(

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The early seventies Citro=C3=ABn 2CV had a very loud almost deafening click=
 sound. Nobody forgot to cancel the stalk.

Cheers, Hans

=E2=80=9971 BGT

Van: Mgs <[email-masked]> Namens Michael MacLean
Verzonden: zondag 3 januari 2021 23:59
Aan: Robert's New iPad <[email-masked]>
CC: Mglist <[email-masked]>
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Turn Signal Stalk

The "beeper" is a great idea.

Mike M

On Sunday, January 3, 2021, 2:41:47 PM PST, Robert's New iPad <mgbobh@gmail=

Hi Mike,

   It is supposed to be self-cancelling, though that does require about 1/4=
 turn of the steering wheel to engage the cancelling mechanism.

   If you remove the steering column cover, a bit of a trick in itself, you=
 will see from the left the steering column.  On it should be a black sprin=
g clip that has a squared bump shape.  That bump should be on same plane as=
 the =E2=80=9CC=E2=80=9D shaped plastic claws on the turn signal control.  =
With wheels straight ahead and the steering wheel centred, that bump should=
 be mid-way between the two claws.

   The way it is supposed to work is that when the turn lever is set for tu=
rns, the spring clip, as it swings around on the column, contacts one of th=
e C claws, dislodging it from where it is parked, and the system cancels.

   On most roads in CT, the radius of turns at intersections is great enoug=
h that the self-cancel does not engage.  I put an inexpensive beeper into t=
he circuit at the flasher unit, as the little indicator lights are dim.

  Some have fitted brighter LEDs in place of the signal indicators. Having =
bloodied myself sufficiently when installing LEDs into the instruments, I w=
ill leave the signal indicators to some distant time in the future when I m=
ight have the dashboard out.  

  It=E2=80=99s my opinion that the easiest way to address your question is =
to ensure that the cancelling device is set properly and to install a sound=
-making device/beeper, then to appreciate that our roads are wider and inte=
rsections built with greater radius than those in the UK when these cancell=
ing devices were thought to be an improvement over the pneumatic, time-sens=
itive devices used in TDs, TFs and MGAs.

Bob

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Just wondering.  Is the turn signal stalk on my 69 MGB GT supposed to be se=
lf canceling? As it is right now, I have to remember to put it back in the =
middle position after making a turn.  This is something I am used to becaus=
e my Bugeye has a three position switch on the dash that you have to click =
back to the center position after making a turn.  On the Bugeye though, it'=
s a little bit easier because there is a huge bright green light right in f=
ront of your face on the dash.  In fact, you can't ignore it at night it is=
 so bright blinking at you.  Not so with the MG.  The lights are two little=
 dim illuminated arrows.  While they are somewhat noticeable at night, you =
just don't notice these lights in the daytime.  Sorry, just sitting around =
on a Sunday morning and needed something to complain about.

Mike MacLean

1969 MGB GT

1960 Bugeye

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=3Dpurple style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The ea=
rly seventies Citro=C3=ABn 2CV had a very loud almost deafening click sound=
=2E Nobody forgot to cancel the stalk.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-fareast=
-language:EN-US'>Cheers, Hans<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><sp=
an lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>=E2=80=9971 BGT<o:p></=
o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-fareast=
-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D'border:none=
;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNo=
rmal><b>Van:</b> Mgs &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>Namens </b>Micha=
el MacLean<br><b>Verzonden:</b> zondag 3 januari 2021 23:59<br><b>Aan:</b> =
Robert's New iPad &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>CC:</b> Mglist &lt;mgs@aut=
ox.team.net&gt;<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Turn Signal Stalk<o:p></o:p>=
</p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p clas=
s=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"=
,serif'>The &quot;beeper&quot; is a great idea.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Time=
s New Roman",serif'>Mike M<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNo=
rmal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div></div><div id=3D"yahoo_quoted_0391157218">=
<div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=
"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>On Sunday, January 3, 2021, 2:41:47 P=
M PST, Robert's New iPad &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mgbobh@gma=
il.com</a>&gt; wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal=
><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#=
26282A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span s=
tyle=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>=
<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><div id=3Dyiv3136677636><div><div><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",=
sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Hi Mike,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-s=
erif;color:#26282A'>&nbsp; &nbsp;It is supposed to be self-cancelling, thou=
gh that does require about 1/4 turn of the steering wheel to engage the can=
celling mechanism.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><sp=
an style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#2628=
2A'>&nbsp; &nbsp;If you remove the steering column cover, a bit of a trick =
in itself, you will see from the left the steering column. &nbsp;On it shou=
ld be a black spring clip that has a squared bump shape. &nbsp;That bump sh=
ould be on same plane as the =E2=80=9CC=E2=80=9D shaped plastic claws on th=
e turn signal control. &nbsp;With wheels straight ahead and the steering wh=
eel centred, that bump should be mid-way between the two claws.<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;f=
ont-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>&nbsp; &nbsp;The way it is=
 supposed to work is that when the turn lever is set for turns, the spring =
clip, as it swings around on the column, contacts one of the C claws, dislo=
dging it from where it is parked, and the system cancels.<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>&nbsp; &nbsp;On most roads in CT=
, the radius of turns at intersections is great enough that the self-cancel=
 does not engage. &nbsp;I put an inexpensive beeper into the circuit at the=
 flasher unit, as the little indicator lights are dim.<o:p></o:p></span></p=
></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-famil=
y:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>&nbsp; Some have fitted brighter LE=
Ds in place of the signal indicators. Having bloodied myself sufficiently w=
hen installing LEDs into the instruments, I will leave the signal indicator=
s to some distant time in the future when I might have the dashboard out. &=
nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'f=
ont-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>&nbsp; It=
=E2=80=99s my opinion that the easiest way to address your question is to e=
nsure that the cancelling device is set properly and to install a sound-mak=
ing device/beeper, then to appreciate that our roads are wider and intersec=
tions built with greater radius than those in the UK when these cancelling =
devices were thought to be an improvement over the pneumatic, time-sensitiv=
e devices used in TDs, TFs and MGAs.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans=
-serif;color:#26282A'>Bob<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNor=
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r:#26282A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div id=3Dyiv3136677636yqt8785=
3><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'f=
ont-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><br>On Ja=
n 3, 2021, at 3:24 PM, Michael MacLean &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rrengineer.mik=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o=
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pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"=
Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Just wondering.&nbsp; Is the turn sign=
al stalk on my 69 MGB GT supposed to be self canceling? As it is right now,=
 I have to remember to put it back in the middle position after making a tu=
rn.&nbsp; This is something I am used to because my Bugeye has a three posi=
tion switch on the dash that you have to click back to the center position =
after making a turn.&nbsp; On the Bugeye though, it's a little bit easier b=
ecause there is a huge bright green light right in front of your face on th=
e dash.&nbsp; In fact, you can't ignore it at night it is so bright blinkin=
g at you.&nbsp; Not so with the MG.&nbsp; The lights are two little dim ill=
uminated arrows.&nbsp; While they are somewhat noticeable at night, you jus=
t don't notice these lights in the daytime.&nbsp; Sorry, just sitting aroun=
d on a Sunday morning and needed something to complain about.<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p><div id=3D"yiv3136677636yMail_cursorElementTracker_1609705432469"><=
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I repaired it in a 60's midget in the past. I made the trip bit of HDPE I
had laying around...
A little finicky but doable. I cleaned the contacts at the same time.

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yes they should self cancel. There is a mechanism behind the steering =
wheel that engages with the turn signal switch when you turn the wheel =
and then when your straighten up again it pulls the switch back to the =
middle position. I did this on an 80 B several years ago but don=E2=80=99t=
 remember all the procedures. The mechanism had been installed upside =
down. I found a tutorial for the process on the internet. A google =
search should turn up some helpful info.

> On Jan 3, 2021, at 4:34 PM, S.Carr <[email-masked]> wrote:
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the left-hand unit on my car, as the high beam setting didn=E2=80=99t =
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Citroens of that era needed a loud warning, because the indicators were not
self-cancelling.

Simon

On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 1:10 AM <[email-masked]> wrote:

> The early seventies Citro=C3=ABn 2CV had a very loud almost deafening cli=
ck
> *Van:* Mgs <[email-masked]> *Namens *Michael MacLean
> *Verzonden:* zondag 3 januari 2021 23:59
> *Aan:* Robert's New iPad <[email-masked]>
> *CC:* Mglist <[email-masked]>
> *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] Turn Signal Stalk
>
>
>
> On Sunday, January 3, 2021, 2:41:47 PM PST, Robert's New iPad <
> [email-masked]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Mike,
>
>    It is supposed to be self-cancelling, though that does require about
> 1/4 turn of the steering wheel to engage the cancelling mechanism.
>
>    If you remove the steering column cover, a bit of a trick in itself,
> you will see from the left the steering column.  On it should be a black
> spring clip that has a squared bump shape.  That bump should be on same
> plane as the =E2=80=9CC=E2=80=9D shaped plastic claws on the turn signal =
control.  With
> wheels straight ahead and the steering wheel centred, that bump should be
> mid-way between the two claws.
>
>    The way it is supposed to work is that when the turn lever is set for
> turns, the spring clip, as it swings around on the column, contacts one o=
f
> the C claws, dislodging it from where it is parked, and the system cancel=
s.
>
>    On most roads in CT, the radius of turns at intersections is great
> enough that the self-cancel does not engage.  I put an inexpensive beeper
> into the circuit at the flasher unit, as the little indicator lights are
> dim.
>
>   Some have fitted brighter LEDs in place of the signal indicators. Havin=
g
> bloodied myself sufficiently when installing LEDs into the instruments, I
> will leave the signal indicators to some distant time in the future when =
I
> might have the dashboard out.
>
>   It=E2=80=99s my opinion that the easiest way to address your question i=
s to
> ensure that the cancelling device is set properly and to install a
> sound-making device/beeper, then to appreciate that our roads are wider a=
nd
> intersections built with greater radius than those in the UK when these
> cancelling devices were thought to be an improvement over the pneumatic,
> time-sensitive devices used in TDs, TFs and MGAs.
>
> Bob
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 3, 2021, at 3:24 PM, Michael MacLean <[email-masked]>
> wrote:
>
> because my Bugeye has a three position switch on the dash that you have t=
o
> though, it's a little bit easier because there is a huge bright green lig=
ht
> night it is so bright blinking at you.  Not so with the MG.  The lights a=
re
> sitting around on a Sunday morning and needed something to complain about=
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Citroens of that era needed a loud warning, because t=
he indicators were not self-cancelling. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Simon=
<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gm=
ail_attr">On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 1:10 AM &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:h.duinhoven@=
planet.nl">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg=
b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word;" =
lang=3D"NL"><div class=3D"gmail-m_-5350170426688396703WordSection1"><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">The early seventies Citro=C3=ABn 2CV h=
ad a very loud almost deafening click sound. Nobody forgot to cancel the st=
alk.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u=
></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Ch=
eers, Hans<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-=
GB">=E2=80=9971 BGT<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span la=
ng=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div style=3D"border-color=
:rgb(225,225,225) currentcolor currentcolor;border-style:solid none none;bo=
rder-width:1pt medium medium;padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b=
>Van:</b> Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_=
blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>Namens </b>Michael MacLean<br>=
<b>Verzonden:</b> zondag 3 januari 2021 23:59<br><b>Aan:</b> Robert&#39;s N=
ew iPad &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">mgbobh@gm=
ail.com</a>&gt;<br><b>CC:</b> Mglist &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
et" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [=
Mgs] Turn Signal Stalk<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">The &quot;beeper=
&quot; is a great idea.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot=
;,serif">Mike M<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif"=
><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div></div><div id=3D"gmail-m_-53501704266=
88396703yahoo_quoted_0391157218"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:rgb=
(38,40,42)">On Sunday, January 3, 2021, 2:41:47 PM PST, Robert&#39;s New iP=
ad &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
om</a>&gt; wrote: <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-seri=
f;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&qu=
ot;,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><d=
iv><div id=3D"gmail-m_-5350170426688396703yiv3136677636"><div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&qu=
ot;,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">Hi Mike,<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot=
;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0 =C2=A0It is suppose=
d to be self-cancelling, though that does require about 1/4 turn of the ste=
ering wheel to engage the cancelling mechanism.<u></u><u></u></span></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0 =C2=A0If you rem=
ove the steering column cover, a bit of a trick in itself, you will see fro=
m the left the steering column.=C2=A0 On it should be a black spring clip t=
hat has a squared bump shape.=C2=A0 That bump should be on same plane as th=
e =E2=80=9CC=E2=80=9D shaped plastic claws on the turn signal control.=C2=
=A0 With wheels straight ahead and the steering wheel centred, that bump sh=
ould be mid-way between the two claws.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Helve=
tica&quot;,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0 =C2=A0The way it is suppo=
sed to work is that when the turn lever is set for turns, the spring clip, =
as it swings around on the column, contacts one of the C claws, dislodging =
it from where it is parked, and the system cancels.<u></u><u></u></span></p=
></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-famil=
y:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0 =C2=A0On mos=
t roads in CT, the radius of turns at intersections is great enough that th=
e self-cancel does not engage.=C2=A0 I put an inexpensive beeper into the c=
ircuit at the flasher unit, as the little indicator lights are dim.<u></u><=
u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size=
:10pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=
=A0 Some have fitted brighter LEDs in place of the signal indicators. Havin=
g bloodied myself sufficiently when installing LEDs into the instruments, I=
 will leave the signal indicators to some distant time in the future when I=
 might have the dashboard out. =C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Helvet=
ica&quot;,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0 It=E2=80=99s my opinion th=
at the easiest way to address your question is to ensure that the cancellin=
g device is set properly and to install a sound-making device/beeper, then =
to appreciate that our roads are wider and intersections built with greater=
 radius than those in the UK when these cancelling devices were thought to =
be an improvement over the pneumatic, time-sensitive devices used in TDs, T=
Fs and MGAs.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;colo=
r:rgb(38,40,42)">Bob<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-se=
rif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div id=3D"gm=
ail-m_-5350170426688396703yiv3136677636yqt87853"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><br>On Jan 3, 2021, at =
3:24 PM, Michael MacLean &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" tar=
get=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></span><=
/p></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&=
quot;,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">Just wondering.=C2=A0 Is the turn sig=
nal stalk on my 69 MGB GT supposed to be self canceling? As it is right now=
, I have to remember to put it back in the middle position after making a t=
urn.=C2=A0 This is something I am used to because my Bugeye has a three pos=
ition switch on the dash that you have to click back to the center position=
 after making a turn.=C2=A0 On the Bugeye though, it&#39;s a little bit eas=
ier because there is a huge bright green light right in front of your face =
on the dash.=C2=A0 In fact, you can&#39;t ignore it at night it is so brigh=
t blinking at you.=C2=A0 Not so with the MG.=C2=A0 The lights are two littl=
e dim illuminated arrows.=C2=A0 While they are somewhat noticeable at night=
, you just don&#39;t notice these lights in the daytime.=C2=A0 Sorry, just =
sitting around on a Sunday morning and needed something to complain about.<=
u></u><u></u></span></p><div id=3D"gmail-m_-5350170426688396703yiv313667763=
6yMail_cursorElementTracker_1609705432469"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:rgb=
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5350170426688396703yiv3136677636yMail_cursorElementTracker_1609705443149"><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Helve=
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ormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fami=
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You=E2=80=99re correct Simon.

On top of that =E2=80=93 the loudness was needed, because the Citro=C3=ABn =
2CV makes a lot of noise by itself!

I have had a 1970 2CV4 in 1974 =E2=80=93 was nice to drive this as a youngs=
ter.

Nothing in between the driver and passenger =F0=9F=98=8A.

Umbrella like gearstick was in the dashboard.

Cheers,

Hans

71 BGT

Van: Simon Matthews <[email-masked]> 
Verzonden: maandag 4 januari 2021 16:52
Aan: Hans Duinhoven <[email-masked]>
CC: Michael MacLean <[email-masked]>; Robert's New iPad <mgbobh@gm=
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Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Turn Signal Stalk

Citroens of that era needed a loud warning, because the indicators were not=
 self-cancelling. 

Simon

lanet.nl> > wrote:

Cheers, Hans

=E2=80=9971 BGT

Namens Michael MacLean

Mike M

 

Hi Mike,

Bob

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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>You=E2=80=99re correct =
Simon.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>On top of that =E2=80=93 the =
loudness was needed, because the Citro=C3=ABn 2CV makes a lot of noise =
by itself!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I have had a 1970 2CV4 in 1974 =
=E2=80=93 was nice to drive this as a youngster.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Nothing in between the driver and =
passenger </span><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI =
Emoji",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>&#128522;</span><span =
lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Umbrella like gearstick was in the =
dashboard.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hans<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>71 =
BGT<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>Van:</b> Simon Matthews =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Verzonden:</b> maandag 4 =
januari 2021 16:52<br><b>Aan:</b> Hans Duinhoven =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>CC:</b> Michael MacLean =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Robert's New iPad =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Mglist =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Turn Signal =
Stalk<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Citroens of that era needed a loud warning, because =
the indicators were not self-cancelling. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Simon<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 1:10 AM &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>The early seventies Citro=C3=ABn 2CV had a very loud almost =
deafening click sound. Nobody forgot to cancel the =
stalk.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Cheers, Hans</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>=E2=80=9971 BGT</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>Van:</b> =
Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>Namens =
</b>Michael MacLean<br><b>Verzonden:</b> zondag 3 januari 2021 =
23:59<br><b>Aan:</b> Robert's New iPad &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>CC:</b> Mglist &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: =
[Mgs] Turn Signal Stalk<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>The =
&quot;beeper&quot; is a great idea.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Mike =
M</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div =
id=3D"gmail-m_-5350170426688396703yahoo_quoted_0391157218"><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>On Sunday, January 3, 2021, 2:41:47 PM PST, Robert's New iPad &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote: =
</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div =
id=3D"gmail-m_-5350170426688396703yiv3136677636"><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Hi Mike,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp; &nbsp;It is supposed to be self-cancelling, though that does =
require about 1/4 turn of the steering wheel to engage the cancelling =
mechanism.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp; &nbsp;If you remove the steering column cover, a bit of a =
trick in itself, you will see from the left the steering column.&nbsp; =
On it should be a black spring clip that has a squared bump shape.&nbsp; =
That bump should be on same plane as the =E2=80=9CC=E2=80=9D shaped =
plastic claws on the turn signal control.&nbsp; With wheels straight =
ahead and the steering wheel centred, that bump should be mid-way =
between the two claws.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp; &nbsp;The way it is supposed to work is that when the turn =
lever is set for turns, the spring clip, as it swings around on the =
column, contacts one of the C claws, dislodging it from where it is =
parked, and the system cancels.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp; &nbsp;On most roads in CT, the radius of turns at =
intersections is great enough that the self-cancel does not =
engage.&nbsp; I put an inexpensive beeper into the circuit at the =
flasher unit, as the little indicator lights are =
dim.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp; Some have fitted brighter LEDs in place of the signal =
indicators. Having bloodied myself sufficiently when installing LEDs =
into the instruments, I will leave the signal indicators to some distant =
time in the future when I might have the dashboard out. =
&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp; It=E2=80=99s my opinion that the easiest way to address your =
question is to ensure that the cancelling device is set properly and to =
install a sound-making device/beeper, then to appreciate that our roads =
are wider and intersections built with greater radius than those in the =
UK when these cancelling devices were thought to be an improvement over =
the pneumatic, time-sensitive devices used in TDs, TFs and =
MGAs.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Bob</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div =
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A'><br>On Jan 3, 2021, at 3:24 PM, Michael MacLean &lt;<a =
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wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
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A'>Just wondering.&nbsp; Is the turn signal stalk on my 69 MGB GT =
supposed to be self canceling? As it is right now, I have to remember to =
put it back in the middle position after making a turn.&nbsp; This is =
something I am used to because my Bugeye has a three position switch on =
the dash that you have to click back to the center position after making =
a turn.&nbsp; On the Bugeye though, it's a little bit easier because =
there is a huge bright green light right in front of your face on the =
dash.&nbsp; In fact, you can't ignore it at night it is so bright =
blinking at you.&nbsp; Not so with the MG.&nbsp; The lights are two =
little dim illuminated arrows.&nbsp; While they are somewhat noticeable =
at night, you just don't notice these lights in the daytime.&nbsp; =
Sorry, just sitting around on a Sunday morning and needed something to =
complain about.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div =
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A'>Mike MacLean</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div =
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A'>1969 MGB GT</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div =
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A'>1960 Bugeye</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div =
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A'>1956 Austin Healey BN2</span><o:p></o:p></p><div =
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