Subject: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas - Final

From: Robert's New iPad <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2020 08:17:19 -0500

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   The rebuilt starter should be on its way to another 40 years of reliable o=
peration. =20
   My 1972 =E2=80=98British Leyland=E2=80=99 radio, AM/FM, monophonic, was t=
aken to a repair shop Saturday for help. It had emitted a hot-electronics sm=
ell and gone silent a week before.  Some research found that Motorola made r=
adios for US dealers to install in Jaguars, Triumphs and MGs.  This seems to=
 be one, and the shop may be able to restore this one to its original low-qu=
ality sound.
Bob

> On Nov 30, 2020, at 8:10 AM, <[email-masked]> <[email-masked]=
l> wrote:
>=20
> Here=E2=80=99s the latest update.
> A local workshop has overhauled the starter.
> New brushes, commutator flattened on a lathe etc. new bearings and Bendix.=

> Placed the starter back in the GT and it runs as new =E2=80=93 starts well=
 again!
> A nice tour in the late November sun was the reward.
> As salt has been sprayed over the roads after the first freezing nights, t=
he GT remains inside till spring.
> Battery on the tender=E2=80=A6
> =20
> Time for the other classics (3 Puch mopeds from the early seventies).
> =20
> Thank you for all good advices.
> =20
> Cheers,
> Hans
> =20
> 71 BGT
> =20
> Van: Mgs <[email-masked]> Namens [email-masked]
> Verzonden: donderdag 19 november 2020 20:12
> Aan: 'Richard Lindsay' <[email-masked]>
> CC: 'mglist' <[email-masked]>
> Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
> =20
> I have tested the starter outside of the car. Bendix works well, but motor=
 runs poorly with lots of sparking over the brushes.
> So I took your advice and it is now at the local repair shop. They=E2=80=99=
ll disassemble it first, in order to see it is feasible to do a repair, or a=
 new starter is better.
> =20
> Cheers,
> Hans
> =20
> Van: Mgs <[email-masked]> Namens Richard Lindsay
> Verzonden: zondag 15 november 2020 14:57
> Aan: Hans Duinhoven <[email-masked]>
> CC: mglist <[email-masked]>; MGB-Yahoo <[email-masked]>
> Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
> =20
> My vote is to have your local shop do the rebuild. Turn the commutator on t=
he lathe and replace the brushes.
> =20
> On Sun, Nov 15, 2020, 7:48 AM <[email-masked]> wrote:
> =20
> I measured the voltage on the posts while cranking =3D 10,5 volts. It is o=
n a digital meter, so I wonder if that=E2=80=99s a good value.
> The same value is measured on the starter ingoing post.
> So no tension loss on the electrical circuits.
>=20
> Now there is a discussion:
> Repair the starter or buy a new one.
> High torque starter =3D =E2=82=AC 325,00, which is pricy
> Original starter on exchange base =3D =E2=82=AC 200,00
> New starter Powerlite =3D =E2=82=AC 239,00
> New starter looking like a Lucas (white labelled) =3D =E2=82=AC 135,00
> =20
> https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-=
system-mgb-electrical-mgb/
> =20
> https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024
> =20
> There is a local electrical car parts repair shop, where the alternator ha=
s been repaired +/- 10 years ago.
> They did a good job.
> I assume they can fix the starter as well, but what is better =E2=80=93 a n=
ew one (Angloparts =3D =E2=82=AC 152 or =E2=82=AC 135,00 at octagonparts) or=
 have the original repaired=E2=80=A6
> =20
> Cheers,
> Hans
> =20
> Van: PaulHunt73 <[email-masked]>=20
> Verzonden: dinsdag 10 november 2020 11:41
> Aan: [email-masked]
> CC: 'mglist' <[email-masked]>; 'MGB-Yahoo' <[email-masked]>
> Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
> =20
> Yes, measure the voltage right on the battery posts (adding the two voltag=
es together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking, then compare that with the v=
oltage at the battery cable stud on the solenoid and starter body when crank=
ing.  The difference between the two is what is being lost in the connection=
s, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't be much more than that.
> =20
> If you get much less than 10v at the battery posts then that is the proble=
m.
> =20
> PaulH.
> =20
> ----- Original Message -----
> =20
> Next job is the slow starter motor.
> I already cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of the battery to c=
hassis cable.
> Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis to engine cable.
> Nothing helped so far.
> So next will be verifying the battery voltage when cranking. I assume it w=
ill be o.k. as the battery is new.
> Following step will be measuring the voltage over the starter motor +12V t=
o the engine.
> When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it never was overhauled, this is log=
ical.
> Nice winter job.
> =20
> Van: Mgs <[email-masked]> Namens Dan DiBiase
> Verzonden: donderdag 22 oktober 2020 22:26
> Aan: Richard Lindsay <[email-masked]>
> CC: mglist <[email-masked]>; MGB-Yahoo <[email-masked]>
> Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas
> =20
> OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied with this excellent (and obvious, now=
!) advice..............................
> =20
> Dan D
> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/
> =20
> =20
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay <[email-masked]=
> wrote:
> I had the same problem. I disconnected the fuel hose, added a a long bit o=
f hose and with the coil disconnected, used the fuel pump to pump old fuel i=
nto jugs.
> =20
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan DiBiase <[email-masked]> wrote:
> Hi all.... My '76B, which was off the road for 5 years, was recently retur=
ned to me from the shop. They added some new gas but did not siphon out the 5=
 year old gas (which was just under 1/2 tank when I had it towed in. The car=
 is running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most of the gas before I fi=
ll it up. It is currently showing as just under 1/2 tank, so around 6 gallon=
s or a little less (assuming gauge accuracy).=20
> =20
> I was able to pump out about 2 gallons but am wondering if the interior of=
 the tank is baffled, as I can't seem to move the hose beyond a certain area=
 and it's not sucking up any additional gas. Would really like to remove a c=
ouple more gallons before I fill it up.
> =20
> Thx,=20
> =20
> Dan D
> '76B-  Getting There
> '65B - Waiting It's Turn
> Central NJ USA
> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/
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sp; &nbsp;The rebuilt starter should be on its way to another 40 years of re=
liable operation. &nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; &nbsp;My 1972 =E2=80=98=
British Leyland=E2=80=99 radio, AM/FM, monophonic, was taken to a repair sho=
p Saturday for help. It had emitted a hot-electronics smell and gone silent a=
 week before. &nbsp;Some research found that Motorola made radios for US dea=
lers to install in Jaguars, Triumphs and MGs. &nbsp;This seems to be one, an=
d the shop may be able to restore this one to its original low-quality sound=
.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><br>On Nov 30, 2020, at 8:10 AM, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
l">[email-masked]</a>&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite=
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oNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Here=E2=80=99s the lates=
t update.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" s=
tyle=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">A local workshop has overhauled the star=
ter. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=
=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">New brushes, commutator flattened on a lathe=
 etc. new bearings and Bendix.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Placed the starter b=
ack in the GT and it runs as new =E2=80=93 starts well again!<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-lang=
uage:EN-US">A nice tour in the late November sun was the reward.<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-l=
anguage:EN-US">As salt has been sprayed over the roads after the first freez=
ing nights, the GT remains inside till spring.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Bat=
tery on the tender=E2=80=A6<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-langu=
age:EN-US">Time for the other classics (3 Puch mopeds from the early seventi=
es).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D=
"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thank you for a=
ll good advices. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"=
EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"=
>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" st=
yle=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hans<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-f=
areast-language:EN-US">71 BGT<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></s=
pan></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;paddin=
g:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>Van:</b> Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>Name=
ns </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br=
><b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 19 november 2020 20:12<br><b>Aan:</b> 'Richard L=
indsay' &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">richardolindsay@gma=
il.com</a>&gt;<br><b>CC:</b> 'mglist' &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
et">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking,=
 was Siphoning Gas<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareas=
t-language:EN-US">I have tested the starter outside of the car. Bendix works=
 well, but motor runs poorly with lots of sparking over the brushes. <o:p></=
o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fare=
ast-language:EN-US">So I took your advice and it is now at the local repair s=
hop. They=E2=80=99ll disassemble it first, in order to see it is feasible to=
 do a repair, or a new starter is better.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso=
-fareast-language:EN-US">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hans<o:p></o:p></=
span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div style=3D"border:none;border-t=
op:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>=
Van:</b> Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mgs-bounces@a=
utox.team.net</a>&gt; <b>Namens </b>Richard Lindsay<br><b>Verzonden:</b> zon=
dag 15 november 2020 14:57<br><b>Aan:</b> Hans Duinhoven &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>CC:</b> mglist=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; MGB-Y=
ahoo &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a=
>&gt;<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas<o:p></=
o:p></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3D"M=
soNormal">My vote is to have your local shop do the rebuild. Turn the commut=
ator on the lathe and replace the brushes.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sun, Nov 1=
5, 2020, 7:48 AM &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">h.duinhoven@pl=
anet.nl</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;=
border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;=
margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;ms=
o-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">I measured the voltage on the=
 posts while cranking =3D 10,5 volts. It is on a digital meter, so I wonder i=
f that=E2=80=99s a good value.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" s=
tyle=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN=
-GB">The same value is measured on the starter ingoing post.</span><o:p></o:=
p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bot=
tom-alt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">So no tension loss on the electrical circ=
uits.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-al=
t:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><br>Now there is a d=
iscussion:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-t=
op-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Repair the star=
ter or buy a new one.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"m=
so-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">High=
 torque starter =3D =E2=82=AC 325,00, which is pricy</span><o:p></o:p></p><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:=
auto"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Original starter on exchange base =3D =E2=82=AC 2=
00,00</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-al=
t:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">New starter Powerlit=
e =3D =E2=82=AC 239,00</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"=
mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">New=
 starter looking like a Lucas (white labelled) =3D =E2=82=AC 135,00</span><o=
:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-mar=
gin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto=
"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><a href=3D"https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-catego=
rie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/" target=3D"_blank=
">https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-=
system-mgb-electrical-mgb/</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" s=
tyle=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN=
-GB">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-=
top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><a href=3D"htt=
ps://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024" target=3D"_blank">=
https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024</a> </span><o:p>=
</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin=
-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><sp=
an lang=3D"EN-GB">There is a local electrical car parts repair shop, where t=
he alternator has been repaired +/- 10 years ago.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:aut=
o"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">They did a good job.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><sp=
an lang=3D"EN-GB">I assume they can fix the starter as well, but what is bet=
ter =E2=80=93 a new one (Angloparts =3D =E2=82=AC 152 or =E2=82=AC 135,00 at=
 octagonparts) or have the original repaired=E2=80=A6</span><o:p></o:p></p><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt=
:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang=3D=
"EN-GB">Cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-mar=
gin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Hans </spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso=
-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><d=
iv><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0c=
m 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margi=
n-bottom-alt:auto"><b>Van:</b> PaulHunt73 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:paulhunt73@v=
irginmedia.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <br><b>=
Verzonden:</b> dinsdag 10 november 2020 11:41<br><b>Aan:</b> <a href=3D"mail=
to:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><br><b>=
CC:</b> 'mglist' &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank"=
>[email-masked]</a>&gt;; 'MGB-Yahoo' &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mg-mgb@yahoog=
roups.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Onderwerp:=
</b> Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:=
auto">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-mar=
gin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt=
">Yes,&nbsp;measure the voltage&nbsp;right on the battery posts (adding the t=
wo voltages together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking, then compare that w=
ith the voltage at the battery cable stud on the solenoid&nbsp;and starter b=
ody when cranking.&nbsp; The difference between the two is what is being los=
t in the connections, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't be much more t=
han that.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"ms=
o-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div=
><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bot=
tom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">If you get much less than 10v=
 at the battery posts then&nbsp;that&nbsp;is the problem.</span><o:p></o:p><=
/p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-ma=
rgin-bottom-alt:auto">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
 style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D=
"font-size:10.0pt">PaulH.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">&nbsp;<o:p=
></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid bl=
ack 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;marg=
in-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-m=
argin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">----- Original Message ----- </=
span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-to=
p-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:#E4E4E4"><span lang=3D"EN-G=
B" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:=
black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso=
-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Next j=
ob is the slow starter motor. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" s=
tyle=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN=
-GB">I already cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of the battery t=
o chassis cable.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-ma=
rgin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Also clea=
ned thoroughly the chassis to engine cable. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><sp=
an lang=3D"EN-GB">Nothing helped so far.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span l=
ang=3D"EN-GB">So next will be verifying the battery voltage when cranking. I=
 assume it will be o.k. as the battery is new.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">=
<span lang=3D"EN-GB">Following step will be measuring the voltage over the s=
tarter motor +12V to the engine.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
 style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang=3D"=
EN-GB">When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it never was overhauled, this i=
s logical.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-t=
op-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Nice winter job=
.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:au=
to;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p>=
</p><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0=
cm 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-marg=
in-bottom-alt:auto"><b>Van:</b> Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.=
team.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>Namens </b=
>Dan DiBiase<br><b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 22 oktober 2020 22:26<br><b>Aan:=
</b> Richard Lindsay &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>CC:</b> mglist &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt=
;; MGB-Yahoo &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank"=
>[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas=
<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto=
;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">OMG, duh! Tha=
nks to all that replied with this excellent (and obvious, now!) advice......=
........................<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"=
mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-b=
ottom-alt:auto">Dan D<br clear=3D"all"><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"=
><a href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://dandi=
biase.cbintouch.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">&nbsp;<o:p>=
</o:p></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:aut=
o;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Thu,=
 Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:richardolinds=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p=
></o:p></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1=
.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-rig=
ht:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-=
top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I had the same problem. I disconnec=
ted the fuel hose, added a a long bit of hose and with the coil disconnected=
, used the fuel pump to pump old fuel into jugs.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"=
>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-t=
op-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan Di=
Biase &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">dan.dib=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style=3D"borde=
r:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left=
:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hi a=
ll.... My '76B, which&nbsp;was off the road for 5 years, was recently return=
ed to me from the shop. They added some new gas but did not siphon out the 5=
 year old gas (which was just under 1/2 tank when I had it towed in. The car=
 is running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most of the gas before I fi=
ll it up. It is currently showing as just under 1/2 tank, so around 6 gallon=
s or a little less (assuming gauge accuracy).&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:aut=
o">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margi=
n-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I was able to pump out about 2 ga=
llons but am wondering if the interior of the tank is baffled, as I can't se=
em to move the hose beyond a certain area and it's not sucking up any additi=
onal gas. Would really like to remove a couple more gallons before I fill it=
 up.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top=
-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto=
">Thx,&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-ma=
rgin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-=
alt:auto">Dan D<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso=
-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">'76B-&nbsp; Getting There<o=
:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:a=
uto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">'65B - Waiting It's Turn<o:p></o:p></p></div=
><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bot=
tom-alt:auto">Central NJ USA<br clear=3D"all"><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-al=
t:auto"><a href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/" target=3D"_blank">http:=
//dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div>=
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Hans, Great to read that all is working fine again!

Op 30-11-2020 om 14:10 schreef [email-masked]:
> New brushes, commutator flattened on a lathe etc. new bearings and Bendi=
x.
>
> Placed the starter back in the GT and it runs as new =E2=80=93 starts we=
ll again!
> As salt has been sprayed over the roads after the first freezing
> nights, the GT remains inside till spring.
>
> *Van:* Mgs <[email-masked]> *Namens [email-masked]
> *Verzonden:* donderdag 19 november 2020 20:12
> *Aan:* 'Richard Lindsay' <[email-masked]>
> *CC:* 'mglist' <[email-masked]>
> *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
>
> I have tested the starter outside of the car. Bendix works well, but
> motor runs poorly with lots of sparking over the brushes.
>
> So I took your advice and it is now at the local repair shop. They=E2=80=
=99ll
> disassemble it first, in order to see it is feasible to do a repair,
> or a new starter is better.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Hans
>
> *Van:* Mgs <[email-masked]
> *Verzonden:* zondag 15 november 2020 14:57
> *Aan:* Hans Duinhoven <[email-masked]
> *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
>
> My vote is to have your local shop do the rebuild. Turn the commutator
> on the lathe and replace the brushes.
>
> On Sun, Nov 15, 2020, 7:48 AM <[email-masked]
>
>     I measured the voltage on the posts while cranking =3D 10,5 volts.
>     It is on a digital meter, so I wonder if that=E2=80=99s a good value=
.
>     New starter looking like a Lucas (white labelled) =3D =E2=82=AC 135,=
00
>
>     https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/sta=
rting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/
>     <https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/st=
arting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/>
>     <https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024>
>
>     There is a local electrical car parts repair shop, where the
>     alternator has been repaired +/- 10 years ago.
>
>     They did a good job.
>
>     I assume they can fix the starter as well, but what is better =E2=80=
=93 a
>     new one (Angloparts =3D =E2=82=AC 152 or =E2=82=AC 135,00 at octagon=
parts) or have
>     the original repaired=E2=80=A6
>
>     Cheers,
>
>     Hans
>
>     *Van:* PaulHunt73 <[email-masked]
>     *Verzonden:* dinsdag 10 november 2020 11:41
>     *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
>
>     Yes,=C2=A0measure the voltage=C2=A0right on the battery posts (addin=
g the
>     two voltages together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking, then
>     compare that with the voltage at the battery cable stud on the
>     solenoid=C2=A0and starter body when cranking.=C2=A0 The difference b=
etween
>     the two is what is being lost in the connections, a volt or so is
>     normal but it shouldn't be much more than that.
>
>     If you get much less than 10v at the battery posts then=C2=A0that=C2=
=A0is
>     the problem.
>         I already cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of the
>         battery to chassis cable.
>
>         So next will be verifying the battery voltage when cranking. I
>         assume it will be o.k. as the battery is new.
>
>         Following step will be measuring the voltage over the starter
>         motor +12V to the engine.
>
>         When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it never was overhauled,
>         this is logical.
>
>         Nice winter job.
>
>         *Van:* Mgs <[email-masked]
>         *Verzonden:* donderdag 22 oktober 2020 22:26
>         *Aan:* Richard Lindsay <[email-masked]
>>
>         *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas
>
>         OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied with this excellent (and
>         obvious, now!) advice..............................
>
>         Dan D
>
>         <http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/>
>
>         On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay
>         wrote:
>
>             I had the same problem. I disconnected the fuel hose,
>             added a a long bit of hose and with the coil disconnected,
>             used the fuel pump to pump old fuel into jugs.
>
>             On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan DiBiase
:
>
>                 Hi all.... My '76B, which=C2=A0was off the road for 5
>                 years, was recently returned to me from the shop. They
>                 added some new gas but did not siphon out the 5 year
>                 old gas (which was just under 1/2 tank when I had it
>                 towed in. The car is running pretty rough so I want to
>                 siphon out most of the gas before I fill it up. It is
>                 currently showing as just under 1/2 tank, so around 6
>                 gallons or a little less (assuming gauge accuracy).
>
>                 I was able to pump out about 2 gallons but am
>                 wondering if the interior of the tank is baffled, as I
>                 can't seem to move the hose beyond a certain area and
>                 it's not sucking up any additional gas. Would really
>                 like to remove a couple more gallons before I fill it up=
.
>                 Thx,
>                 <http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/>
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    <p>Hans, Great to read that all is working fine again!</p>
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Here=E2=80=99s
            the latest update.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang=3D"EN-GB">A local workshop has overhauled the starter. <o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang=3D"EN-GB">New brushes, commutator flattened on a lathe
            etc. new bearings and Bendix.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang=3D"EN-GB">Placed the starter back in the GT and it runs
            as new =E2=80=93 starts well again!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang=3D"EN-GB">A nice tour in the late November sun was the
            reward.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang=3D"EN-GB">As salt has been sprayed over the roads after
            the first freezing nights, the GT remains inside till
            spring.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang=3D"EN-GB">Battery on the tender=E2=80=A6<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang=3D"EN-GB">Time for the other classics (3 Puch mopeds from
            the early seventies).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang=3D"EN-GB">Thank you for all good advices. <o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang=3D"EN-GB">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang=3D"EN-GB">Hans<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang=3D"EN-GB">71 BGT<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></span></p>
        <div>
          <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
            1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>Van:</b> Mgs
              <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:mgs-bounce=
[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> <b>Namens </b><a =
class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">h=
[email-masked]</a><br>
              <b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 19 november 2020 20:12<br>
              <b>Aan:</b> 'Richard Lindsay'
              <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:richardoli=
[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
              <b>CC:</b> 'mglist' <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
              <b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning
              Gas<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
        </div>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang=3D"EN-GB">I have tested the starter outside of the car.
            Bendix works well, but motor runs poorly with lots of
            sparking over the brushes. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang=3D"EN-GB">So I took your advice and it is now at the
            local repair shop. They=E2=80=99ll disassemble it first, in or=
der to
            see it is feasible to do a repair, or a new starter is
            better.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang=3D"EN-GB">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang=3D"EN-GB">Hans<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></span></p>
        <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
          1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>Van:</b> Mgs &lt;<a
              href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"
              moz-do-not-send=3D"true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
            <b>Namens </b>Richard Lindsay<br>
            <b>Verzonden:</b> zondag 15 november 2020 14:57<br>
            <b>Aan:</b> Hans Duinhoven &lt;<a
              href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" moz-do-not-send=3D"tru=
e">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
            <b>CC:</b> mglist &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"
              moz-do-not-send=3D"true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;;
            MGB-Yahoo &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"
              moz-do-not-send=3D"true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
            <b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas<o=
:p></o:p></p>
        </div>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></p>
        <div>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal">My vote is to have your local shop do the
            rebuild. Turn the commutator on the lathe and replace the
            brushes.<o:p></o:p></p>
        </div>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></p>
        <div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sun, Nov 15, 2020, 7:48 AM &lt;<a
                href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"
                moz-do-not-send=3D"true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
              wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC
            1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.=
0pt">
            <div>
              <div>
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                  style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:a=
uto">=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                  style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:a=
uto"><span
                    lang=3D"EN-GB">I measured the voltage on the posts
                    while cranking =3D 10,5 volts. It is on a digital
                    meter, so I wonder if that=E2=80=99s a good value.</sp=
an><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                  style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:a=
uto"><span
                    lang=3D"EN-GB">The same value is measured on the
                    starter ingoing post.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                  style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:a=
uto"><span
                    lang=3D"EN-GB">So no tension loss on the electrical
                    circuits.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                  style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:a=
uto"><span
                    lang=3D"EN-GB"><br>
                    Now there is a discussion:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                  style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:a=
uto"><span
                    lang=3D"EN-GB">Repair the starter or buy a new one.</s=
pan><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                  style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:a=
uto"><span
                    lang=3D"EN-GB">High torque starter =3D =E2=82=AC 325,0=
0, which
                    is pricy</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                  style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:a=
uto"><span
                    lang=3D"EN-GB">Original starter on exchange base =3D =
=E2=82=AC
                    200,00</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                  style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:a=
uto"><span
                    lang=3D"EN-GB">New starter Powerlite =3D =E2=82=AC 239=
,00</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                  style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:a=
uto"><span
                    lang=3D"EN-GB">New starter looking like a Lucas (white
                    labelled) =3D =E2=82=AC 135,00</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                  style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:a=
uto"><span
                    lang=3D"EN-GB">=C2=A0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                  style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:a=
uto"><span
                    lang=3D"EN-GB"><a
href=3D"https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/s=
tarting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/"
                      target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">https://w=
ww.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-system-mg=
b-electrical-mgb/</a>
                  </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                  style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:a=
uto"><span
                    lang=3D"EN-GB">=C2=A0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                  style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:a=
uto"><span
                    lang=3D"EN-GB"><a
                      href=3D"https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/par=
t/26883/082.024"
                      target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">https://w=
ww.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024</a>
                  </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                  style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:a=
uto"><span
                    lang=3D"EN-GB">=C2=A0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                  style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:a=
uto"><span
                    lang=3D"EN-GB">There is a local electrical car parts
                    repair shop, where the alternator has been repaired
                    +/- 10 years ago.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                  style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:a=
uto"><span
                    lang=3D"EN-GB">They did a good job.</span><o:p></o:p><=
/p>
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                  style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:a=
uto"><span
                    lang=3D"EN-GB">I assume they can fix the starter as
                    well, but what is better =E2=80=93 a new one (Anglopar=
ts =3D =E2=82=AC
                    152 or =E2=82=AC 135,00 at octagonparts) or have the
                    original repaired=E2=80=A6</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                  style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:a=
uto"><span
                    lang=3D"EN-GB">=C2=A0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                  style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:a=
uto"><span
                    lang=3D"EN-GB">Cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                  style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:a=
uto"><span
                    lang=3D"EN-GB">Hans </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                  style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:a=
uto"><span
                    lang=3D"EN-GB">=C2=A0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <div>
                  <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
                    1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
                    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                      style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><b>Van:</b>
                      PaulHunt73 &lt;<a
                        href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"
                        target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">paulhun=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                      <br>
                      <b>Verzonden:</b> dinsdag 10 november 2020 11:41<br>
                      <b>Aan:</b> <a
                        href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"
                        target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">h.duinh=
[email-masked]</a><br>
                      <b>CC:</b> 'mglist' &lt;<a
                        href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blan=
k"
                        moz-do-not-send=3D"true">[email-masked]</a>&gt=
;;
                      'MGB-Yahoo' &lt;<a
                        href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"
                        target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">mg-mgb@=
yahoogroups.com</a>&gt;<br>
                      <b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was
                      Siphoning Gas<o:p></o:p></p>
                  </div>
                </div>
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                  style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:a=
uto">=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p>
                <div>
                  <div>
                    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                      style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
                        style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">Yes,=C2=A0measure the
                        voltage=C2=A0right on the battery posts (adding th=
e
                        two voltages together if twin 6v batteries) when
                        cranking, then compare that with the voltage at
                        the battery cable stud on the solenoid=C2=A0and
                        starter body when cranking.=C2=A0 The difference
                        between the two is what is being lost in the
                        connections, a volt or so is normal but it
                        shouldn't be much more than that.</span><o:p></o:p=
></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                      style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                      style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
                        style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">If you get much less
                        than 10v at the battery posts then=C2=A0that=C2=A0=
is the
                        problem.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                      style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
                        style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">PaulH.</span><o:p></o:p=
></p>
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                      style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid black
                  1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm
4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt">
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                      style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">-----
                        Original Message ----- </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:#E4=
E4E4"><span
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:b=
lack"
                        lang=3D"EN-GB">=C2=A0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  </div>
                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt=
:auto"><span
                      lang=3D"EN-GB">Next job is the slow starter motor. <=
/span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt=
:auto"><span
                      lang=3D"EN-GB">I already cleaned the battery posts
                      clamps and the post of the battery to chassis
                      cable.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt=
:auto"><span
                      lang=3D"EN-GB">Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis
                      to engine cable. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt=
:auto"><span
                      lang=3D"EN-GB">Nothing helped so far.</span><o:p></o=
:p></p>
                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt=
:auto"><span
                      lang=3D"EN-GB">So next will be verifying the battery
                      voltage when cranking. I assume it will be o.k. as
                      the battery is new.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt=
:auto"><span
                      lang=3D"EN-GB">Following step will be measuring the
                      voltage over the starter motor +12V to the engine.</=
span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt=
:auto"><span
                      lang=3D"EN-GB">When o.k., the starter is suspect. As
                      it never was overhauled, this is logical.</span><o:p=
></o:p></p>
                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt=
:auto"><span
                      lang=3D"EN-GB">Nice winter job.</span><o:p></o:p></p=
                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt=
:auto"><span
                      lang=3D"EN-GB">=C2=A0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
                    1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
                    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                      style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><b>Van:</b>
                      Mgs &lt;<a
                        href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"
                        target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">mgs-bou=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                      <b>Namens </b>Dan DiBiase<br>
                      <b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 22 oktober 2020 22:26<br=
                      <b>Aan:</b> Richard Lindsay &lt;<a
                        href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"
                        target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">richard=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
                      <b>CC:</b> mglist &lt;<a
                        href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blan=
k"
                        moz-do-not-send=3D"true">[email-masked]</a>&gt=
;;
                      MGB-Yahoo &lt;<a
                        href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"
                        target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">mg-mgb@=
yahoogroups.com</a>&gt;<br>
                      <b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas<o:p></o:p>=
</p>
                  </div>
                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt=
:auto">=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p>
                  <div>
                    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                      style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">OMG,
                      duh! Thanks to all that replied with this
                      excellent (and obvious, now!)
                      advice..............................<o:p></o:p></p>
                    <div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                        style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom=
-alt:auto">=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                        style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom=
-alt:auto">Dan
                        D<br clear=3D"all">
                        <o:p></o:p></p>
                      <div>
                        <div>
                          <div>
                            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                              style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-=
bottom-alt:auto"><a
                                href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/"
                                target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true"=
>http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                        style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom=
-alt:auto">=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt=
:auto">=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p>
                  <div>
                    <div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                        style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom=
-alt:auto">On
                        Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay
                        &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"
                          target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">richa=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                        wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.=
0pt">
                      <div>
                        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                          style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bott=
om-alt:auto">I
                          had the same problem. I disconnected the fuel
                          hose, added a a long bit of hose and with the
                          coil disconnected, used the fuel pump to pump
                          old fuel into jugs.<o:p></o:p></p>
                      </div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                        style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom=
-alt:auto">=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p>
                      <div>
                        <div>
                          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                            style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bo=
ttom-alt:auto">On
                            Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan DiBiase &lt;<a
                              href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"
                              target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">d=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                            wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                        <blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid
                          #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.=
0pt">
                          <div>
                            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                              style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-=
bottom-alt:auto">Hi
                              all.... My '76B, which=C2=A0was off the road
                              for 5 years, was recently returned to me
                              from the shop. They added some new gas but
                              did not siphon out the 5 year old gas
                              (which was just under 1/2 tank when I had
                              it towed in. The car is running pretty
                              rough so I want to siphon out most of the
                              gas before I fill it up. It is currently
                              showing as just under 1/2 tank, so around
                              6 gallons or a little less (assuming gauge
                              accuracy).=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p>
                            <div>
                              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                                style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margi=
n-bottom-alt:auto">=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                                style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margi=
n-bottom-alt:auto">I
                                was able to pump out about 2 gallons but
                                am wondering if the interior of the tank
                                is baffled, as I can't seem to move the
                                hose beyond a certain area and it's not
                                sucking up any additional gas. Would
                                really like to remove a couple more
                                gallons before I fill it up.<o:p></o:p></p=
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                                style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margi=
n-bottom-alt:auto">=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                                style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margi=
n-bottom-alt:auto">Thx,=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                                style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margi=
n-bottom-alt:auto">=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                                style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margi=
n-bottom-alt:auto">Dan
                                D<o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                                style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margi=
n-bottom-alt:auto">'76B-=C2=A0
                                Getting There<o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                                style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margi=
n-bottom-alt:auto">'65B
                                - Waiting It's Turn<o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                                style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margi=
n-bottom-alt:auto">Central
                                NJ USA<br clear=3D"all">
                                <o:p></o:p></p>
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Bob,

Your radio story reminds me of the following:

1. During half of my student days, I drove a 1972 Sunbeam Sceptre
(similar to a Hillman Hunter, you can google that).

 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 That was until 1981, when I graduated and started work=
ing. In those
days, it was not done, as a sales rep, to drive a 10-yr old car.

 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 So I bought a Peugeot 504, archetypical for a sales re=
p in those days.

 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Since the Sunbeam's manufacturer had gone belly up and=
, by
consequence, the resale value was very very low,

 =C2=A0=C2=A0 and the car looked still quite good, I decided to not trade =
it in
but just keep it.

 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Fast Forward 30+ years: I got the car running again and now=
adays
make occasional trips with it,

 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 like e.g. a camping trip to the South of England with =
my son.

 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Three things that I noticed when I drove this car firs=
t time after
so many years:

 =C2=A0=C2=A0 a. The steering wheel rim is very thin;

 =C2=A0=C2=A0 b. Panorama view: no thick posts between windscreen and door=
s etc.

 =C2=A0=C2=A0 c. The (Grundig, upmarket for its days) AM/FM monaural radio=
 sounds
really terrible when compared to more modern gear.

2. In the late seventies, I worked for three months as a trainee at
Televerket, the Swedish telephone company.

 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Of course, my internship required that I do some=
thing scientific,
but due to poor organisation by my employer, a state enterprise,

 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I could not work for weeks at the project that I=
 came for.

 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 So, colleagues came by and asked me if I could repair =
their record
players, stereo's, car radios etcetera.

 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Now, this was not a skill I had any experience with, b=
ut at that
age you learn quickly.

 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 These were the days before Internet or even telefax.

 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 But, when you grab a telephone and ask the manufacture=
r to send
some circuit diagrams by mail,

 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 they were really very eager to assist such an important ins=
titution
like the Swedish Telecom authority.

 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 So, I repaired a lot of electronics stuff then, and learned=
 a lot
in the process.

 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 One day, I had a small problem with the Sunbeam, no output =
from the
alternator (Lucas 16 ACR).

 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Not very nice to=C2=A0 work on, when it is minus 25 de=
grees Centigrade
outside.

 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 No problem: I could easily drive the car into the Tele=
verket
laboratory after working hours

 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 and replace the carbon brushes that my brother had sen=
t me by mail
from Holland.

Cheers

Bert

Op 30-11-2020 om 14:17 schreef Robert's New iPad:
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0The rebuilt starter should be on its way to another 40 year=
s of
> reliable operation.
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0My 1972 =E2=80=98British Leyland=E2=80=99 radio, AM/FM, mon=
ophonic, was taken to a
> repair shop Saturday for help. It had emitted a hot-electronics smell
> and gone silent a week before. =C2=A0Some research found that Motorola m=
ade
> radios for US dealers to install in Jaguars, Triumphs and MGs. =C2=A0Thi=
s
> seems to be one, and the shop may be able to restore this one to its
> original low-quality sound.
> Bob
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2020, at 8:10 AM, <[email-masked]
>
>> New brushes, commutator flattened on a lathe etc. new bearings and
>> Bendix.
>>
>> Placed the starter back in the GT and it runs as new =E2=80=93 starts w=
ell again!
>> *Aan:* 'Richard Lindsay' <[email-masked]
>> So I took your advice and it is now at the local repair shop. They=E2=
=80=99ll
>> My vote is to have your local shop do the rebuild. Turn the
>> commutator on the lathe and replace the brushes.
>>
>>     It is on a digital meter, so I wonder if that=E2=80=99s a good valu=
e.
>>     New starter looking like a Lucas (white labelled) =3D =E2=82=AC 135=
,00
>>
>>     https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/st=
arting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/
>>     <https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/s=
tarting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/>
>>     I assume they can fix the starter as well, but what is better =E2=
=80=93 a
>>     new one (Angloparts =3D =E2=82=AC 152 or =E2=82=AC 135,00 at octago=
nparts) or have
>>     Yes,=C2=A0measure the voltage=C2=A0right on the battery posts (addi=
ng the
>>     solenoid=C2=A0and starter body when cranking.=C2=A0 The difference =
between
>>     If you get much less than 10v at the battery posts then=C2=A0that=
=C2=A0is
>>         I already cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of
>>         the battery to chassis cable.
>>
>>         So next will be verifying the battery voltage when cranking.
>>         I assume it will be o.k. as the battery is new.
>>
>>         When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it never was
>>         overhauled, this is logical.
>>
>>         Nice winter job.
>>
>>         *CC:* mglist <[email-masked]
>>         <[email-masked]
>>
>>             added a a long bit of hose and with the coil
>>             disconnected, used the fuel pump to pump old fuel into jugs=
.
e:
>>                 years, was recently returned to me from the shop.
>>                 They added some new gas but did not siphon out the 5
>>                 year old gas (which was just under 1/2 tank when I
>>                 had it towed in. The car is running pretty rough so I
>>                 want to siphon out most of the gas before I fill it
>>                 up. It is currently showing as just under 1/2 tank,
>>                 so around 6 gallons or a little less (assuming gauge
>>                 accuracy).
>>
>>                 wondering if the interior of the tank is baffled, as
>>                 I can't seem to move the hose beyond a certain area
>>                 and it's not sucking up any additional gas. Would
>>                 really like to remove a couple more gallons before I
>>                 fill it up.
>>
>>                 Thx,
>>
>>                 Dan D
>>
>>                 '76B- Getting There
>>
>>                 '65B - Waiting It's Turn
>>
>>                 Central NJ USA
>>
>>                 http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richardolinds=
[email-masked]
>>                 <http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richardolind=
[email-masked]>
>>
>>
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    <p>Bob,</p>
    <p>Your radio story reminds me of the following:</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>1. During half of my student days, I drove a 1972 Sunbeam Sceptre
      (similar to a Hillman Hunter, you can google that).</p>
    <p>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 That was until 1981, when I graduated and starte=
d working. In
      those days, it was not done, as a sales rep, to drive a 10-yr old
      car.</p>
    <p>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 So I bought a Peugeot 504, archetypical for a sa=
les rep in
      those days.</p>
    <p>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Since the Sunbeam's manufacturer had gone belly =
up and, by
      consequence, the resale value was very very low, <br>
    </p>
    <p>=C2=A0=C2=A0 and the car looked still quite good, I decided to not =
trade it
      in but just keep it.</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Fast Forward 30+ years: I got the car running again a=
nd
      nowadays make occasional trips with it, <br>
    </p>
    <p>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 like e.g. a camping trip to the South of England=
 with my son.
      =C2=A0 <br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Three things that I noticed when I drove this ca=
r first time
      after so many years:</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>=C2=A0=C2=A0 a. The steering wheel rim is very thin;</p>
    <p>=C2=A0=C2=A0 b. Panorama view: no thick posts between windscreen an=
d doors
      etc.</p>
    <p>=C2=A0=C2=A0 c. The (Grundig, upmarket for its days) AM/FM monaural=
 radio
      sounds really terrible when compared to more modern gear.</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>2. In the late seventies, I worked for three months as a trainee
      at Televerket, the Swedish telephone company.</p>
    <p>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Of course, my internship required that I d=
o something
      scientific, but due to poor organisation by my employer, a state
      enterprise, <br>
    </p>
    <p>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I could not work for weeks at the project =
that I came for.</p>
    <p>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 So, colleagues came by and asked me if I could r=
epair their
      record players, stereo's, car radios etcetera. <br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Now, this was not a skill I had any experience w=
ith, but at
      that age you learn quickly.</p>
    <p>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 These were the days before Internet or even tele=
fax. <br>
    </p>
    <p>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 But, when you grab a telephone and ask the manuf=
acturer to
      send some circuit diagrams by mail, <br>
    </p>
    <p>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 they were really very eager to assist such an importa=
nt
      institution like the Swedish Telecom authority.</p>
    <p>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 So, I repaired a lot of electronics stuff then, and l=
earned a
      lot in the process.</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 One day, I had a small problem with the Sunbeam, no o=
utput
      from the alternator (Lucas 16 ACR). <br>
    </p>
    <p>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Not very nice to=C2=A0 work on, when it is minus=
 25 degrees
      Centigrade outside.</p>
    <p>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 No problem: I could easily drive the car into th=
e Televerket
      laboratory after working hours <br>
    </p>
    <p>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 and replace the carbon brushes that my brother h=
ad sent me by
      mail from Holland.</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>Cheers</p>
    <p>Bert=C2=A0 <br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">Op 30-11-2020 om 14:17 schreef Robert's
      New iPad:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite"
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      <meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3DUT=
F-8">
      <div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0 =C2=A0The rebuilt starter should be on its w=
ay to
        another 40 years of reliable operation. =C2=A0</div>
      <div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0 =C2=A0My 1972 =E2=80=98British Leyland=E2=80=
=99 radio, AM/FM,
        monophonic, was taken to a repair shop Saturday for help. It had
        emitted a hot-electronics smell and gone silent a week before.
        =C2=A0Some research found that Motorola made radios for US dealers=
 to
        install in Jaguars, Triumphs and MGs. =C2=A0This seems to be one, =
and
        the shop may be able to restore this one to its original
        low-quality sound.</div>
      <div dir=3D"ltr">Bob</div>
      <div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
      </div>
      <div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
        On Nov 30, 2020, at 8:10 AM, &lt;<a
          href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">h=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;
        &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"
          moz-do-not-send=3D"true">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br=
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            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
                style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Here=E2=80=99s the la=
test
                update.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
                style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">A loca=
l
                workshop has overhauled the starter. <o:p></o:p></span></p=
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
                style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">New
                brushes, commutator flattened on a lathe etc. new
                bearings and Bendix.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
                style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">Placed
                the starter back in the GT and it runs as new =E2=80=93 st=
arts
                well again!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
                style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">A nice
                tour in the late November sun was the reward.<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
                style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">As sal=
t
                has been sprayed over the roads after the first freezing
                nights, the GT remains inside till spring.<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
                style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">Batter=
y
                on the tender=E2=80=A6<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
                style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>=
=C2=A0</o:p></span></p>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
                style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">Time f=
or
                the other classics (3 Puch mopeds from the early
                seventies).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
                style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>=
=C2=A0</o:p></span></p>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
                style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">Thank
                you for all good advices. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
                style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>=
=C2=A0</o:p></span></p>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
                style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">Cheers=
,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
                style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">Hans<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
                style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>=
=C2=A0</o:p></span></p>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
                style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">71 BGT=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
                style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>=
=C2=A0</o:p></span></p>
            <div>
              <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
                1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>Van:</b> Mgs &lt;<a
                    href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"
                    moz-do-not-send=3D"true">[email-masked]</a=
>&gt;
                  <b>Namens </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"
                    moz-do-not-send=3D"true">[email-masked]</a><br>
                  <b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 19 november 2020 20:12<br>
                  <b>Aan:</b> 'Richard Lindsay' &lt;<a
                    href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"
                    moz-do-not-send=3D"true">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt;<br>
                  <b>CC:</b> 'mglist' &lt;<a
                    href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"
                    moz-do-not-send=3D"true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br=
                  <b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was
                  Siphoning Gas<o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
            </div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></p>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
                style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">I have
                tested the starter outside of the car. Bendix works
                well, but motor runs poorly with lots of sparking over
                the brushes. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
                style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">So I
                took your advice and it is now at the local repair shop.
                They=E2=80=99ll disassemble it first, in order to see it i=
s
                feasible to do a repair, or a new starter is better.<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
                style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>=
=C2=A0</o:p></span></p>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
                style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">Cheers=
,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
                style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">Hans<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
                style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>=
=C2=A0</o:p></span></p>
            <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
              1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>Van:</b> Mgs &lt;<a
                  href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"
                  moz-do-not-send=3D"true">[email-masked]</a>&=
gt;
                <b>Namens </b>Richard Lindsay<br>
                <b>Verzonden:</b> zondag 15 november 2020 14:57<br>
                <b>Aan:</b> Hans Duinhoven &lt;<a
                  href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"
                  moz-do-not-send=3D"true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<b=
r>
                <b>CC:</b> mglist &lt;<a
                  href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"
                  moz-do-not-send=3D"true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;;
                MGB-Yahoo &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"
                  moz-do-not-send=3D"true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<=
br>
                <b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning
                Gas<o:p></o:p></p>
            </div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></p>
            <div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal">My vote is to have your local shop do
                the rebuild. Turn the commutator on the lathe and
                replace the brushes.<o:p></o:p></p>
            </div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></p>
            <div>
              <div>
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sun, Nov 15, 2020, 7:48 AM &lt;<=
a
                    href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"
                    moz-do-not-send=3D"true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                  wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC
                1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.=
0pt">
                <div>
                  <div>
                    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                      style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                      style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
                        lang=3D"EN-GB">I measured the voltage on the posts
                        while cranking =3D 10,5 volts. It is on a digital
                        meter, so I wonder if that=E2=80=99s a good value.=
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                      style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
                        lang=3D"EN-GB">The same value is measured on the
                        starter ingoing post.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                      style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
                        lang=3D"EN-GB">So no tension loss on the
                        electrical circuits.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                      style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
                        lang=3D"EN-GB"><br>
                        Now there is a discussion:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                      style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
                        lang=3D"EN-GB">Repair the starter or buy a new
                        one.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                      style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
                        lang=3D"EN-GB">High torque starter =3D =E2=82=AC 3=
25,00,
                        which is pricy</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                      style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
                        lang=3D"EN-GB">Original starter on exchange base =
=3D
                        =E2=82=AC 200,00</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                      style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
                        lang=3D"EN-GB">New starter Powerlite =3D =E2=82=AC=
 239,00</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                      style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
                        lang=3D"EN-GB">New starter looking like a Lucas
                        (white labelled) =3D =E2=82=AC 135,00</span><o:p><=
/o:p></p>
                    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                      style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
                        lang=3D"EN-GB">=C2=A0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                      style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
                        lang=3D"EN-GB"><a
href=3D"https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/s=
tarting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/"
                          target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">https=
://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-syste=
m-mgb-electrical-mgb/</a>
                      </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                      style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
                        lang=3D"EN-GB">=C2=A0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                      style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
                        lang=3D"EN-GB"><a
                          href=3D"https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues=
/part/26883/082.024"
                          target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">https=
://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024</a>
                      </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                      style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
                        lang=3D"EN-GB">=C2=A0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                      style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
                        lang=3D"EN-GB">There is a local electrical car
                        parts repair shop, where the alternator has been
                        repaired +/- 10 years ago.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                      style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
                        lang=3D"EN-GB">They did a good job.</span><o:p></o=
:p></p>
                    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                      style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
                        lang=3D"EN-GB">I assume they can fix the starter
                        as well, but what is better =E2=80=93 a new one
                        (Angloparts =3D =E2=82=AC 152 or =E2=82=AC 135,00 =
at octagonparts)
                        or have the original repaired=E2=80=A6</span><o:p>=
</o:p></p>
                    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                      style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
                        lang=3D"EN-GB">=C2=A0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                      style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
                        lang=3D"EN-GB">Cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                      style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
                        lang=3D"EN-GB">Hans </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                      style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
                        lang=3D"EN-GB">=C2=A0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <div>
                      <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
                        1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
                        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                          style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bott=
om-alt:auto"><b>Van:</b>
                          PaulHunt73 &lt;<a
                            href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"
                            target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">pau=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                          <br>
                          <b>Verzonden:</b> dinsdag 10 november 2020
                          11:41<br>
                          <b>Aan:</b> <a
                            href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"
                            target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">h.d=
[email-masked]</a><br>
                          <b>CC:</b> 'mglist' &lt;<a
                            href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"
                            target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">mgs=
@autox.team.net</a>&gt;;
                          'MGB-Yahoo' &lt;<a
                            href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"
                            target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">mg-=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
                          <b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was
                          Siphoning Gas<o:p></o:p></p>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                      style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p>
                    <div>
                      <div>
                        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                          style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bott=
om-alt:auto"><span
                            style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">Yes,=C2=A0measure t=
he
                            voltage=C2=A0right on the battery posts (addin=
g
                            the two voltages together if twin 6v
                            batteries) when cranking, then compare that
                            with the voltage at the battery cable stud
                            on the solenoid=C2=A0and starter body when
                            cranking.=C2=A0 The difference between the two=
 is
                            what is being lost in the connections, a
                            volt or so is normal but it shouldn't be
                            much more than that.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                          style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bott=
om-alt:auto">=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                          style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bott=
om-alt:auto"><span
                            style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">If you get much
                            less than 10v at the battery posts
                            then=C2=A0that=C2=A0is the problem.</span><o:p=
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                          style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bott=
om-alt:auto">=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                          style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bott=
om-alt:auto"><span
                            style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">PaulH.</span><o:p><=
/o:p></p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                          style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bott=
om-alt:auto">=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                    <blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid
                      black 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm
4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt">
                      <div>
                        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                          style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bott=
om-alt:auto"><span
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">-----
                            Original Message ----- </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:#E4=
E4E4"><span
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:b=
lack"
                            lang=3D"EN-GB">=C2=A0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      </div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                        style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom=
-alt:auto"><span
                          lang=3D"EN-GB">Next job is the slow starter
                          motor. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                        style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom=
-alt:auto"><span
                          lang=3D"EN-GB">I already cleaned the battery
                          posts clamps and the post of the battery to
                          chassis cable.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                        style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom=
-alt:auto"><span
                          lang=3D"EN-GB">Also cleaned thoroughly the
                          chassis to engine cable. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                        style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom=
-alt:auto"><span
                          lang=3D"EN-GB">Nothing helped so far.</span><o:p=
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                        style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom=
-alt:auto"><span
                          lang=3D"EN-GB">So next will be verifying the
                          battery voltage when cranking. I assume it
                          will be o.k. as the battery is new.</span><o:p><=
/o:p></p>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                        style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom=
-alt:auto"><span
                          lang=3D"EN-GB">Following step will be measuring
                          the voltage over the starter motor +12V to the
                          engine.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                        style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom=
-alt:auto"><span
                          lang=3D"EN-GB">When o.k., the starter is
                          suspect. As it never was overhauled, this is
                          logical.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                        style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom=
-alt:auto"><span
                          lang=3D"EN-GB">Nice winter job.</span><o:p></o:p=
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                        style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom=
-alt:auto"><span
                          lang=3D"EN-GB">=C2=A0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
                        1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
                        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                          style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bott=
om-alt:auto"><b>Van:</b>
                          Mgs &lt;<a
                            href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"
                            target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">mgs=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                          <b>Namens </b>Dan DiBiase<br>
                          <b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 22 oktober 2020
                          22:26<br>
                          <b>Aan:</b> Richard Lindsay &lt;<a
                            href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"
                            target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">ric=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
                          <b>CC:</b> mglist &lt;<a
                            href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"
                            target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">mgs=
@autox.team.net</a>&gt;;
                          MGB-Yahoo &lt;<a
                            href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"
                            target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">mg-=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
                          <b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas<o:p></=
o:p></p>
                      </div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                        style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom=
-alt:auto">=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p>
                      <div>
                        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                          style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bott=
om-alt:auto">OMG,
                          duh! Thanks to all that replied with this
                          excellent (and obvious, now!)
                          advice..............................<o:p></o:p><=
/p>
                        <div>
                          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                            style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bo=
ttom-alt:auto">=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                            style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bo=
ttom-alt:auto">Dan
                            D<br clear=3D"all">
                            <o:p></o:p></p>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <div>
                                <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                                  style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-mar=
gin-bottom-alt:auto"><a
href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/" target=3D"_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send=3D"true">http://dandib=
iase.cbintouch.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
                              </div>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                            style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bo=
ttom-alt:auto">=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                        style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom=
-alt:auto">=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p>
                      <div>
                        <div>
                          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                            style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bo=
ttom-alt:auto">On
                            Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay
                            &lt;<a
                              href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"
                              target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">r=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                            wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                        <blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid
                          #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.=
0pt">
                          <div>
                            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                              style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-=
bottom-alt:auto">I
                              had the same problem. I disconnected the
                              fuel hose, added a a long bit of hose and
                              with the coil disconnected, used the fuel
                              pump to pump old fuel into jugs.<o:p></o:p><=
/p>
                          </div>
                          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                            style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bo=
ttom-alt:auto">=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                                style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margi=
n-bottom-alt:auto">On
                                Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan DiBiase
                                &lt;<a
                                  href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"
                                  target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"tru=
e">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                                wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <blockquote
                              style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid
                              #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.=
0pt">
                              <div>
                                <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                                  style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-mar=
gin-bottom-alt:auto">Hi
                                  all.... My '76B, which=C2=A0was off the
                                  road for 5 years, was recently
                                  returned to me from the shop. They
                                  added some new gas but did not siphon
                                  out the 5 year old gas (which was just
                                  under 1/2 tank when I had it towed in.
                                  The car is running pretty rough so I
                                  want to siphon out most of the gas
                                  before I fill it up. It is currently
                                  showing as just under 1/2 tank, so
                                  around 6 gallons or a little less
                                  (assuming gauge accuracy).=C2=A0<o:p></o=
:p></p>
                                <div>
                                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                                    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-m=
argin-bottom-alt:auto">=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                                    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-m=
argin-bottom-alt:auto">I
                                    was able to pump out about 2 gallons
                                    but am wondering if the interior of
                                    the tank is baffled, as I can't seem
                                    to move the hose beyond a certain
                                    area and it's not sucking up any
                                    additional gas. Would really like to
                                    remove a couple more gallons before
                                    I fill it up.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                                    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-m=
argin-bottom-alt:auto">=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                                    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-m=
argin-bottom-alt:auto">Thx,=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                                    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-m=
argin-bottom-alt:auto">=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                                    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-m=
argin-bottom-alt:auto">Dan
                                    D<o:p></o:p></p>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                                    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-m=
argin-bottom-alt:auto">'76B-=C2=A0
                                    Getting There<o:p></o:p></p>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                                    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-m=
argin-bottom-alt:auto">'65B
                                    - Waiting It's Turn<o:p></o:p></p>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                                    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-m=
argin-bottom-alt:auto">Central
                                    NJ USA<br clear=3D"all">
                                    <o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <div>
                                    <div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
                                          style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto=
;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><a
href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/" target=3D"_blank"
                                            moz-do-not-send=3D"true">http:=
//dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                  </div>
                                </div>
                              </div>
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My turn???

=20

Years ago I acquired an overpriced box of stuff, including an original =
Triumph sidescreen radio (AM of course).  It came in a =
=E2=80=9Cstand=E2=80=9D that fit between the tunnel and the dash and =
included a speaker.  It did not work.

=20

At the time I was part of the Datsun Roadster group (Datsun Roadsters =
were built from 1962? To 1970), and were the precursor to the 240Z.  a =
lister had posted that his dad retired, was some sort of electronics =
technician, and was looking to repair radios as a hobby.  So I sent him =
mine.  I was told that he was thrilled to work on one that had tubes, =
and he really enjoyed refurbishing it.

=20

That radio went into a 1957 TR3 that the current owner showed at The =
Gathering a few years ago and came away with first in class.

=20

From: Mgs <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Bert Palte
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 12:07 PM
To: Robert's New iPad <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: [Mgs] Old Car Radios

=20

Bob,

=20

1. During half of my student days, I drove a 1972 Sunbeam Sceptre =
(similar to a Hillman Hunter, you can google that).

    That was until 1981, when I graduated and started working. In those =
days, it was not done, as a sales rep, to drive a 10-yr old car.

    So I bought a Peugeot 504, archetypical for a sales rep in those =
days.

    Since the Sunbeam's manufacturer had gone belly up and, by =
consequence, the resale value was very very low,=20

   and the car looked still quite good, I decided to not trade it in but =
just keep it.

=20

    Fast Forward 30+ years: I got the car running again and nowadays =
make occasional trips with it,=20

    like e.g. a camping trip to the South of England with my son.  =20

=20

    Three things that I noticed when I drove this car first time after =
so many years:

=20

   a. The steering wheel rim is very thin;

   b. Panorama view: no thick posts between windscreen and doors etc.

   c. The (Grundig, upmarket for its days) AM/FM monaural radio sounds =
really terrible when compared to more modern gear.

=20

2. In the late seventies, I worked for three months as a trainee at =
Televerket, the Swedish telephone company.

     Of course, my internship required that I do something scientific, =
but due to poor organisation by my employer, a state enterprise,=20

     I could not work for weeks at the project that I came for.

    So, colleagues came by and asked me if I could repair their record =
players, stereo's, car radios etcetera.=20

=20

    Now, this was not a skill I had any experience with, but at that age =
you learn quickly.

    These were the days before Internet or even telefax.=20

    But, when you grab a telephone and ask the manufacturer to send some =
circuit diagrams by mail,=20

    they were really very eager to assist such an important institution =
like the Swedish Telecom authority.

    So, I repaired a lot of electronics stuff then, and learned a lot in =
the process.

=20

    One day, I had a small problem with the Sunbeam, no output from the =
alternator (Lucas 16 ACR).=20

    Not very nice to  work on, when it is minus 25 degrees Centigrade =
outside.

    No problem: I could easily drive the car into the Televerket =
laboratory after working hours=20

    and replace the carbon brushes that my brother had sent me by mail =
from Holland.

=20

Cheers

Bert =20

=20

=20

=20

=20

   The rebuilt starter should be on its way to another 40 years of =
reliable operation. =20

   My 1972 =E2=80=98British Leyland=E2=80=99 radio, AM/FM, monophonic, =
was taken to a repair shop Saturday for help. It had emitted a =
hot-electronics smell and gone silent a week before.  Some research =
found that Motorola made radios for US dealers to install in Jaguars, =
Triumphs and MGs.  This seems to be one, and the shop may be able to =
restore this one to its original low-quality sound.

Bob

=20

On Nov 30, 2020, at 8:10 AM, <[email-masked] =

A local workshop has overhauled the starter.=20

New brushes, commutator flattened on a lathe etc. new bearings and =
Bendix.

Placed the starter back in the GT and it runs as new =E2=80=93 starts =
well again!

As salt has been sprayed over the roads after the first freezing nights, =
the GT remains inside till spring.

=20

=20

Thank you for all good advices.=20

=20

Cheers,

Hans

=20

71 BGT

=20

Verzonden: donderdag 19 november 2020 20:12
Aan: 'Richard Lindsay' <[email-masked] =
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas

=20

I have tested the starter outside of the car. Bendix works well, but =
motor runs poorly with lots of sparking over the brushes.=20

So I took your advice and it is now at the local repair shop. =
They=E2=80=99ll disassemble it first, in order to see it is feasible to =
do a repair, or a new starter is better.

=20

Cheers,

Hans

=20

> Namens Richard Lindsay
Verzonden: zondag 15 november 2020 14:57
Aan: Hans Duinhoven <[email-masked] =
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas

=20

My vote is to have your local shop do the rebuild. Turn the commutator =
on the lathe and replace the brushes.

=20

On Sun, Nov 15, 2020, 7:48 AM <[email-masked] =

=20

I measured the voltage on the posts while cranking =3D 10,5 volts. It is =
on a digital meter, so I wonder if that=E2=80=99s a good value.

=20

https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting=
-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/=20

=20

https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024=20

=20

There is a local electrical car parts repair shop, where the alternator =
has been repaired +/- 10 years ago.

They did a good job.

I assume they can fix the starter as well, but what is better =E2=80=93 =
a new one (Angloparts =3D =E2=82=AC 152 or =E2=82=AC 135,00 at =
octagonparts) or have the original repaired=E2=80=A6

=20

Cheers,

Hans=20

=20

Van: PaulHunt73 <[email-masked] =
Verzonden: dinsdag 10 november 2020 11:41
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas

=20

Yes, measure the voltage right on the battery posts (adding the two =
voltages together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking, then compare that =
with the voltage at the battery cable stud on the solenoid and starter =
body when cranking.  The difference between the two is what is being =
lost in the connections, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't be much =
more than that.

=20

If you get much less than 10v at the battery posts then that is the =
problem.

=20

PaulH.

=20

----- Original Message -----=20

=20

Next job is the slow starter motor.=20

I already cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of the battery =
to chassis cable.

Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis to engine cable.=20

Nothing helped so far.

So next will be verifying the battery voltage when cranking. I assume it =
will be o.k. as the battery is new.

Following step will be measuring the voltage over the starter motor +12V =
to the engine.

When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it never was overhauled, this is =
logical.

Nice winter job.

=20

> Namens Dan DiBiase
Verzonden: donderdag 22 oktober 2020 22:26
Aan: Richard Lindsay <[email-masked] =
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas

=20

OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied with this excellent (and obvious, =
now!) advice..............................

=20

Dan D

=20

=20

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay =

I had the same problem. I disconnected the fuel hose, added a a long bit =
of hose and with the coil disconnected, used the fuel pump to pump old =
fuel into jugs.

=20

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan DiBiase <[email-masked] =

Hi all.... My '76B, which was off the road for 5 years, was recently =
returned to me from the shop. They added some new gas but did not siphon =
out the 5 year old gas (which was just under 1/2 tank when I had it =
towed in. The car is running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most =
of the gas before I fill it up. It is currently showing as just under =
1/2 tank, so around 6 gallons or a little less (assuming gauge =
accuracy).=20

=20

I was able to pump out about 2 gallons but am wondering if the interior =
of the tank is baffled, as I can't seem to move the hose beyond a =
certain area and it's not sucking up any additional gas. Would really =
like to remove a couple more gallons before I fill it up.

=20

Thx,=20

=20

Dan D

'76B-  Getting There

'65B - Waiting It's Turn

Central NJ USA

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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>My turn???<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Years ago I =
acquired an overpriced box of stuff, including an original Triumph =
sidescreen radio (AM of course).=C2=A0 It came in a =
=E2=80=9Cstand=E2=80=9D that fit between the tunnel and the dash and =
included a speaker.=C2=A0 It did not work.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>At the time =
I was part of the Datsun Roadster group (Datsun Roadsters were built =
from 1962? To 1970), and were the precursor to the 240Z.=C2=A0 a lister =
had posted that his dad retired, was some sort of electronics =
technician, and was looking to repair radios as a hobby.=C2=A0 So I sent =
him mine.=C2=A0 I was told that he was thrilled to work on one that had =
tubes, and he really enjoyed refurbishing it.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>That radio =
went into a 1957 TR3 that the current owner showed at The Gathering a =
few years ago and came away with first in class.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Mgs =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bert =
Palte<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 30, 2020 12:07 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
Robert's New iPad &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> [Mgs] Old Car =
Radios<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p>Bob,<o:p></o:p></p><p>Your =
radio story reminds me of the =
following:<o:p></o:p></p><p><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p>1. During half of my =
student days, I drove a 1972 Sunbeam Sceptre (similar to a Hillman =
Hunter, you can google that).<o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; That =
was until 1981, when I graduated and started working. In those days, it =
was not done, as a sales rep, to drive a 10-yr old =
car.<o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; So I bought a Peugeot 504, =
archetypical for a sales rep in those =
days.<o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Since the Sunbeam's =
manufacturer had gone belly up and, by consequence, the resale value was =
very very low, <o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp; and the car looked still =
quite good, I decided to not trade it in but just keep =
it.<o:p></o:p></p><p><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p>&nbsp; &nbsp; Fast Forward =
30+ years: I got the car running again and nowadays make occasional =
trips with it, <o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; like e.g. a camping =
trip to the South of England with my son. &nbsp; =
<o:p></o:p></p><p><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Three =
things that I noticed when I drove this car first time after so many =
years:<o:p></o:p></p><p><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp; a. The =
steering wheel rim is very thin;<o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp; b. =
Panorama view: no thick posts between windscreen and doors =
etc.<o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp; c. The (Grundig, upmarket for its =
days) AM/FM monaural radio sounds really terrible when compared to more =
modern gear.<o:p></o:p></p><p><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p>2. In the late =
seventies, I worked for three months as a trainee at Televerket, the =
Swedish telephone company.<o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Of =
course, my internship required that I do something scientific, but due =
to poor organisation by my employer, a state enterprise, =
<o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I could not work for weeks at =
the project that I came for.<o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; So, =
colleagues came by and asked me if I could repair their record players, =
stereo's, car radios etcetera. =
<o:p></o:p></p><p><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Now, this =
was not a skill I had any experience with, but at that age you learn =
quickly.<o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; These were the days before =
Internet or even telefax. <o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; But, when =
you grab a telephone and ask the manufacturer to send some circuit =
diagrams by mail, <o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp; &nbsp; they were really very =
eager to assist such an important institution like the Swedish Telecom =
authority.<o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp; &nbsp; So, I repaired a lot of =
electronics stuff then, and learned a lot in the =
process.<o:p></o:p></p><p><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p>&nbsp; &nbsp; One day, =
I had a small problem with the Sunbeam, no output from the alternator =
(Lucas 16 ACR). <o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Not very nice =
to&nbsp; work on, when it is minus 25 degrees Centigrade =
outside.<o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; No problem: I could easily =
drive the car into the Televerket laboratory after working hours =
<o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; and replace the carbon brushes that =
my brother had sent me by mail from =
Holland.<o:p></o:p></p><p><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p>Cheers<o:p></o:p></p><p=
>Bert&nbsp; =
<o:p></o:p></p><p><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></p><p><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Op =
30-11-2020 om 14:17 schreef Robert's New =
iPad:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp; &nbsp;The rebuilt starter should be on its way =
to another 40 years of reliable operation. =
&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp; &nbsp;My =
1972 =E2=80=98British Leyland=E2=80=99 radio, AM/FM, monophonic, was =
taken to a repair shop Saturday for help. It had emitted a =
hot-electronics smell and gone silent a week before. &nbsp;Some research =
found that Motorola made radios for US dealers to install in Jaguars, =
Triumphs and MGs. &nbsp;This seems to be one, and the shop may be able =
to restore this one to its original low-quality =
sound.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Bob<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Nov 30, 2020, at 8:10 AM, &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Here=E2=80=99s the latest update.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>A local workshop has overhauled the =
starter. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>New brushes, commutator flattened on a lathe etc. new =
bearings and Bendix.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Placed the starter back in the GT and it runs as new =
=E2=80=93 starts well again!</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>A nice tour in the late November =
sun was the reward.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>As salt has been sprayed over the roads after the first =
freezing nights, the GT remains inside till =
spring.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Battery on the tender=E2=80=A6</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>Time for the other classics (3 Puch =
mopeds from the early seventies).</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>Thank you for all good advices. =
</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Hans</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>71 BGT</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>Van:</b> Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt; <b>Namens </b><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Ver=
zonden:</b> donderdag 19 november 2020 20:12<br><b>Aan:</b> 'Richard =
Lindsay' &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&g=
t;<br><b>CC:</b> 'mglist' &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Onder=
werp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning =
Gas<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>I have tested the starter outside of the car. Bendix works =
well, but motor runs poorly with lots of sparking over the brushes. =
</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>So I took =
your advice and it is now at the local repair shop. They=E2=80=99ll =
disassemble it first, in order to see it is feasible to do a repair, or =
a new starter is better.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Hans</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>Van:</b> Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt; <b>Namens </b>Richard Lindsay<br><b>Verzonden:</b> zondag 15 =
november 2020 14:57<br><b>Aan:</b> Hans Duinhoven &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b=
>CC:</b> mglist &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; MGB-Yahoo =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>=
<b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning =
Gas<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>My vote =
is to have your local shop do the rebuild. Turn the commutator on the =
lathe and replace the brushes.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Sun, Nov 15, 2020, 7:48 AM &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>I measured the voltage on the posts while cranking =3D 10,5 =
volts. It is on a digital meter, so I wonder if that=E2=80=99s a good =
value.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>The same value is measured on the starter ingoing =
post.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>So no tension loss on the electrical =
circuits.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><br>Now there is a discussion:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Repair the starter or buy a new =
one.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>High torque starter =3D =E2=82=AC 325,00, which is =
pricy</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Original starter on exchange base =3D =E2=82=AC =
200,00</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>New starter Powerlite =3D =E2=82=AC =
239,00</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>New starter looking like a Lucas (white labelled) =3D =
=E2=82=AC 135,00</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><a =
href=3D"https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/=
starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/" =
target=3D"_blank">https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/elect=
rical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/</a> =
</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><a =
href=3D"https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024" =
target=3D"_blank">https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082=
.024</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>There is a local electrical car parts repair shop, where =
the alternator has been repaired +/- 10 years =
ago.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>They did a good job.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>I assume they can fix the starter as well, but what is =
better =E2=80=93 a new one (Angloparts =3D =E2=82=AC 152 or =E2=82=AC =
135,00 at octagonparts) or have the original =
repaired=E2=80=A6</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Hans </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>Van:</b> =
PaulHunt73 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
<br><b>Verzonden:</b> dinsdag 10 november 2020 11:41<br><b>Aan:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><br><b>CC:</b> 'mglist' =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; 'MGB-Yahoo' &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> =
Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Yes,&nbsp;measure the voltage&nbsp;right on =
the battery posts (adding the two voltages together if twin 6v =
batteries) when cranking, then compare that with the voltage at the =
battery cable stud on the solenoid&nbsp;and starter body when =
cranking.&nbsp; The difference between the two is what is being lost in =
the connections, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't be much more =
than that.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>If you get much less than 10v at the battery =
posts then&nbsp;that&nbsp;is the =
problem.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>PaulH.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid =
black 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:=
5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>----- Original =
Message ----- </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:#E=
4E4E4'><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Next job is the slow starter motor. =
</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>I already cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of =
the battery to chassis cable.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis to engine cable. =
</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Nothing helped so far.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>So next will be verifying the battery voltage when =
cranking. I assume it will be o.k. as the battery is =
new.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Following step will be measuring the voltage over the =
starter motor +12V to the engine.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it never was =
overhauled, this is logical.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Nice winter job.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>Van:</b> =
Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>Namens </b>Dan =
DiBiase<br><b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 22 oktober 2020 =
22:26<br><b>Aan:</b> Richard Lindsay &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>CC:</b> mglist =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; MGB-Yahoo &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> =
Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>OMG, duh! =
Thanks to all that replied with this excellent (and obvious, now!) =
advice..............................<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Dan D<br =
clear=3Dall><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a =
href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/" =
target=3D"_blank">http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p></di=
v></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Thu, Oct =
22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I had the =
same problem. I disconnected the fuel hose, added a a long bit of hose =
and with the coil disconnected, used the fuel pump to pump old fuel into =
jugs.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Thu, Oct =
22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan DiBiase &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hi all.... =
My '76B, which&nbsp;was off the road for 5 years, was recently returned =
to me from the shop. They added some new gas but did not siphon out the =
5 year old gas (which was just under 1/2 tank when I had it towed in. =
The car is running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most of the gas =
before I fill it up. It is currently showing as just under 1/2 tank, so =
around 6 gallons or a little less (assuming gauge =
accuracy).&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I was able =
to pump out about 2 gallons but am wondering if the interior of the tank =
is baffled, as I can't seem to move the hose beyond a certain area and =
it's not sucking up any additional gas. Would really like to remove a =
couple more gallons before I fill it up.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Thx,&nbsp;<o=
:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Dan =
D<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>'76B-&nbsp; =
Getting There<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>'65B - =
Waiting It's Turn<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Central NJ =
USA<br clear=3Dall><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a =
href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/" =
target=3D"_blank">http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p></di=
v></div></div></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>____________=
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