Subject: Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas

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So here=E2=80=99s the story completed.

The tank was emptied enough to get the fuel pump off.

So I replaced the contact points and had these adjusted.

Also replaced the membrane and gasket.

Before assembling it all, I thoroughly cleaned and flattened the flanges, w=
here between the new membrane and gasket were to be tight. 

This went well and the pump is in good working order again. 

Next job is the slow starter motor. 

I already cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of the battery to c=
hassis cable.

Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis to engine cable. 

Nothing helped so far.

So next will be verifying the battery voltage when cranking. I assume it wi=
ll be o.k. as the battery is new.

Following step will be measuring the voltage over the starter motor +12V to=
 the engine.

When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it never was overhauled, this is logi=
cal.

Nice winter job.

Cheers,

Hans

71 BGT

Van: Mgs <[email-masked]> Namens Dan DiBiase
Verzonden: donderdag 22 oktober 2020 22:26
Aan: Richard Lindsay <[email-masked]>
CC: mglist <[email-masked]>; MGB-Yahoo <[email-masked]>
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas

OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied with this excellent (and obvious, now!=
) advice..............................

Dan D

http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay <[email-masked] =

I had the same problem. I disconnected the fuel hose, added a a long bit of=
 hose and with the coil disconnected, used the fuel pump to pump old fuel i=
nto jugs.

[email-masked]> > wrote:

Hi all.... My '76B, which was off the road for 5 years, was recently return=
ed to me from the shop. They added some new gas but did not siphon out the =
5 year old gas (which was just under 1/2 tank when I had it towed in. The c=
ar is running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most of the gas before I=
 fill it up. It is currently showing as just under 1/2 tank, so around 6 ga=
llons or a little less (assuming gauge accuracy). 

I was able to pump out about 2 gallons but am wondering if the interior of =
the tank is baffled, as I can't seem to move the hose beyond a certain area=
 and it's not sucking up any additional gas. Would really like to remove a =
couple more gallons before I fill it up.

Thx, 

Dan D

'76B-  Getting There

'65B - Waiting It's Turn

Central NJ USA

http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/

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=3Dpurple style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>So her=
e=E2=80=99s the story completed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
<span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The tank was emptie=
d enough to get the fuel pump off.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNorma=
l><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>So I replaced the=
 contact points and had these adjusted.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMso=
Normal><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Also replace=
d the membrane and gasket.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Before assembling it all,=
 I thoroughly cleaned and flattened the flanges, where between the new memb=
rane and gasket were to be tight. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNorma=
l><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>This went well an=
d the pump is in good working order again. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&=
nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-=
fareast-language:EN-US'>Next job is the slow starter motor. <o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-fareast-languag=
e:EN-US'>I already cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of the bat=
tery to chassis cable.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=
=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Also cleaned thoroughly the c=
hassis to engine cable. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span la=
ng=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Nothing helped so far.<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-farea=
st-language:EN-US'>So next will be verifying the battery voltage when crank=
ing. I assume it will be o.k. as the battery is new.<o:p></o:p></span></p><=
p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'=
>Following step will be measuring the voltage over the starter motor +12V t=
o the engine.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>When o.k., the starter is suspect. As =
it never was overhauled, this is logical.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DM=
soNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Nice winte=
r job.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB style=
=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Cheers,<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-fareas=
t-language:EN-US'>Hans<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=
=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><=
p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'=
>71 BGT<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB style=
=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoN=
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o:p></span></p><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;pad=
ding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>Van:</b> Mgs &lt;mgs-bounce=
[email-masked]&gt; <b>Namens </b>Dan DiBiase<br><b>Verzonden:</b> donderd=
ag 22 oktober 2020 22:26<br><b>Aan:</b> Richard Lindsay &lt;richardolindsay=
@gmail.com&gt;<br><b>CC:</b> mglist &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; MGB-Yahoo &=
lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas<=
o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal>OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied with this excellent (and =
obvious, now!) advice..............................<o:p></o:p></p><div><p c=
lass=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Dan D=
<br clear=3Dall><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><a href=
=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://dandibiase.c=
bintouch.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p=
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><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]<=
/a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-=
left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin=
-right:0cm'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I had the same problem. I disconnecte=
d the fuel hose, added a a long bit of hose and with the coil disconnected,=
 used the fuel pump to pump old fuel into jugs.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p clas=
s=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Thu, O=
ct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan DiBiase &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
m" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></d=
iv><blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding=
:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal>Hi all.... My '76B, which&nbsp;was off the road for 5 years, was rece=
ntly returned to me from the shop. They added some new gas but did not siph=
on out the 5 year old gas (which was just under 1/2 tank when I had it towe=
d in. The car is running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most of the g=
as before I fill it up. It is currently showing as just under 1/2 tank, so =
around 6 gallons or a little less (assuming gauge accuracy).&nbsp;<o:p></o:=
p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D=
MsoNormal>I was able to pump out about 2 gallons but am wondering if the in=
terior of the tank is baffled, as I can't seem to move the hose beyond a ce=
rtain area and it's not sucking up any additional gas. Would really like to=
 remove a couple more gallons before I fill it up.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
Thx,&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
/p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Dan D<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal>'76B-&nbsp; Getting There<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D=
MsoNormal>'65B - Waiting It's Turn<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal>Central NJ USA<br clear=3Dall><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><a href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/" target=3D"_blank"=
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Yes, measure the voltage right on the battery posts (adding the two =
voltages together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking, then compare that =
with the voltage at the battery cable stud on the solenoid and starter =
body when cranking.  The difference between the two is what is being =
lost in the connections, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't be much =
more than that.

If you get much less than 10v at the battery posts then that is the =
problem.

PaulH.

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  =20
  Next job is the slow starter motor.=20

  I already cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of the battery =
to chassis cable.

  Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis to engine cable.=20

  Nothing helped so far.

  So next will be verifying the battery voltage when cranking. I assume =
it will be o.k. as the battery is new.

  Following step will be measuring the voltage over the starter motor =
+12V to the engine.

  When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it never was overhauled, this is =
logical.

  Nice winter job.

  =20

  =20

  OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied with this excellent (and obvious, =
now!) advice..............................

  =20

  Dan D

  =20

  =20

  On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay =
<[email-masked]> wrote:

    I had the same problem. I disconnected the fuel hose, added a a long =
bit of hose and with the coil disconnected, used the fuel pump to pump =
old fuel into jugs.

    =20

    On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan DiBiase <[email-masked]> =
wrote:

      Hi all.... My '76B, which was off the road for 5 years, was =
recently returned to me from the shop. They added some new gas but did =
not siphon out the 5 year old gas (which was just under 1/2 tank when I =
had it towed in. The car is running pretty rough so I want to siphon out =
most of the gas before I fill it up. It is currently showing as just =
under 1/2 tank, so around 6 gallons or a little less (assuming gauge =
accuracy).=20

      =20

      I was able to pump out about 2 gallons but am wondering if the =
interior of the tank is baffled, as I can't seem to move the hose beyond =
a certain area and it's not sucking up any additional gas. Would really =
like to remove a couple more gallons before I fill it up.

      =20

      Thx,=20

      =20

      Dan D

      '76B-  Getting There

      '65B - Waiting It's Turn

      Central NJ USA

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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Yes,&nbsp;measure the voltage&nbsp;right on the =
battery posts=20
(adding the two voltages together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking, =
then=20
compare that with the voltage at the battery cable stud on the =
solenoid&nbsp;and=20
starter body when cranking.&nbsp; The difference between the two is what =
is=20
being lost in the connections, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't =
be much=20
more than that.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>If you get much less than 10v at the battery posts=20
then&nbsp;that&nbsp;is the problem.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>PaulH.</FONT></DIV>
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  job is the slow starter motor. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"mso-fareast-language: EN-US" =
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  already cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of the battery =
to=20
  chassis cable.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"mso-fareast-language: EN-US" =
lang=3DEN-GB>Also=20
  cleaned thoroughly the chassis to engine cable. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"mso-fareast-language: EN-US"=20
  lang=3DEN-GB>Nothing helped so far.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"mso-fareast-language: EN-US" =
lang=3DEN-GB>So=20
  next will be verifying the battery voltage when cranking. I assume it =
will be=20
  o.k. as the battery is new.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"mso-fareast-language: EN-US"=20
  lang=3DEN-GB>Following step will be measuring the voltage over the =
starter motor=20
  +12V to the engine.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"mso-fareast-language: EN-US" =
lang=3DEN-GB>When=20
  o.k., the starter is suspect. As it never was overhauled, this is=20
  logical.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"mso-fareast-language: EN-US" =
lang=3DEN-GB>Nice=20
  winter job.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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  lang=3DEN-GB><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></P>
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PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: =
#e1e1e1 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt">
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B>Van:</B> Mgs =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;=20
  <B>Namens </B>Dan DiBiase<BR><B>Verzonden:</B> donderdag 22 oktober =
2020=20
  22:26<BR><B>Aan:</B> Richard Lindsay=20
  &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<BR><B>CC:</B> mglist=20
  &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; MGB-Yahoo=20
  &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<BR><B>Onderwerp:</B> Re: [Mgs] =
Siphoning=20
  Gas<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal>OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied with this =
excellent=20
  (and obvious, now!) =
advice..............................<o:p></o:p></P>
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&lt;<A=20
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hose,=20
    added a a long bit of hose and with the coil disconnected, used the =
fuel=20
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&lt;<A=20
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4.8pt; BORDER-TOP: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-RIGHT: medium =
none; PADDING-TOP: 0cm">
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road for 5=20
      years, was recently returned to me from the shop. They added some =
new gas=20
      but did not siphon out the 5 year old gas (which was just under =
1/2 tank=20
      when I had it towed in. The car is running pretty rough so I want =
to=20
      siphon out most of the gas before I fill it up. It is currently =
showing as=20
      just under 1/2 tank, so around 6 gallons or a little less =
(assuming gauge=20
      accuracy).&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></P>
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Hello folks,

If the battery is new and all connections have been cleaned then I am 
guessing the starter motor is the problem.   I had same problem, so 
whipped out the starter and took to shop that did nothing else but 
alternators, starters and such.   He dissembled it before my eyes and he 
showed me sick insides.   I left it with him and next day picked up 
refurbished starter, paid around $150 for parts and labour (in nice 
looking Canadian dollars), took it home and installed.  Been super ever 
since.  But hasten to add that the starter was/is one of those high 
torque non-Lucas ones of which I had trouble find one that did not fail 
after a few weeks !!!!!

The only other guess would be you need a tin of Lucas smoke
Cheers
Barrie

On 11/10/2020 5:40 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote:
> 
> Yes, measure the voltage right on the battery posts (adding the two 
> voltages together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking, then compare 
> that with the voltage at the battery cable stud on the solenoid and 
> starter body when cranking.  The difference between the two is what is 
> being lost in the connections, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't 
> be much more than that.
> If you get much less than 10v at the battery posts then that is the 
> problem.
> PaulH.
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>
>     I already cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of the
>     battery to chassis cable.
>
>     So next will be verifying the battery voltage when cranking. I
>     assume it will be o.k. as the battery is new.
>
>     Following step will be measuring the voltage over the starter
>     motor +12V to the engine.
>
>     When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it never was overhauled,
>     this is logical.
>
>     Nice winter job.
>
>     *Van:* Mgs <[email-masked]> *Namens *Dan DiBiase
>     *Verzonden:* donderdag 22 oktober 2020 22:26
>     *Aan:* Richard Lindsay <[email-masked]>
>     *CC:* mglist <[email-masked]>; MGB-Yahoo <[email-masked]>
>     *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas
>
>     OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied with this excellent (and
>     obvious, now!) advice..............................
>
>     Dan D
>
>     http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ <http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/>
>
>     On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay
>
>         I had the same problem. I disconnected the fuel hose, added a
>         a long bit of hose and with the coil disconnected, used the
>         fuel pump to pump old fuel into jugs.
>
>         On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan DiBiase
>
>             Hi all.... My '76B, which was off the road for 5 years,
>             was recently returned to me from the shop. They added some
>             new gas but did not siphon out the 5 year old gas (which
>             was just under 1/2 tank when I had it towed in. The car is
>             running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most of the
>             gas before I fill it up. It is currently showing as just
>             under 1/2 tank, so around 6 gallons or a little less
>             (assuming gauge accuracy).
>
>             I was able to pump out about 2 gallons but am wondering if
>             the interior of the tank is baffled, as I can't seem to
>             move the hose beyond a certain area and it's not sucking
>             up any additional gas. Would really like to remove a
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    <font size="-1"><font face="Arial">Hello folks,<br>
        <br>
        If the battery is new and all connections have been cleaned then
        I am guessing the starter motor is the problem.   I had same
        problem, so whipped out the starter and took to shop that did
        nothing else but alternators, starters and such.   He dissembled
        it before my eyes and he showed me sick insides.   I left it
        with him and next day picked up refurbished starter, paid around
        $150 for parts and labour (in nice looking Canadian dollars),
        took it home and installed.  Been super ever since.  But hasten
        to add that the starter was/is one of those high torque
        non-Lucas ones of which I had trouble find one that did not fail
        after a few weeks !!!!!<br>
        <br>
        The only other guess would be you need a tin of Lucas smoke<br>
        Cheers<br>
        Barrie<br>
      </font></font><br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/10/2020 5:40 AM, PaulHunt73
      wrote:<br>
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        <div><font size="2">Yes, measure the voltage right on the
            battery posts (adding the two voltages together if twin 6v
            batteries) when cranking, then compare that with the voltage
            at the battery cable stud on the solenoid and starter body
            when cranking.  The difference between the two is what is
            being lost in the connections, a volt or so is normal but it
            shouldn't be much more than that.</font></div>
        <div> </div>
        <div><font size="2">If you get much less than 10v at the battery
            posts then that is the problem.</font></div>
        <div> </div>
        <div><font size="2">PaulH.</font></div>
        <div> </div>
      </div>
      <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT:
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        <div style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div>
        <div style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color:
          black"><span style="mso-fareast-language: EN-US" lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
        <div class="WordSection1">
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language: EN-US"
              lang="EN-GB">Next job is the slow starter motor. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language: EN-US"
              lang="EN-GB">I already cleaned the battery posts clamps
              and the post of the battery to chassis cable.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language: EN-US"
              lang="EN-GB">Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis to engine
              cable. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language: EN-US"
              lang="EN-GB">Nothing helped so far.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language: EN-US"
              lang="EN-GB">So next will be verifying the battery voltage
              when cranking. I assume it will be o.k. as the battery is
              new.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language: EN-US"
              lang="EN-GB">Following step will be measuring the voltage
              over the starter motor +12V to the engine.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language: EN-US"
              lang="EN-GB">When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it
              never was overhauled, this is logical.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language: EN-US"
              lang="EN-GB">Nice winter job.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language: EN-US"
              lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt">
            <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Van:</b> Mgs
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> <b>Namens </b>Dan
              DiBiase<br>
              <b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 22 oktober 2020 22:26<br>
              <b>Aan:</b> Richard Lindsay
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
              <b>CC:</b> mglist <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a>; MGB-Yahoo
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
              <b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied
              with this excellent (and obvious, now!)
              advice..............................<o:p></o:p></p>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal">Dan D<br clear="all">
                <o:p></o:p></p>
              <div>
                <div>
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            </div>
          </div>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          <div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM
                Richard Lindsay &lt;<a
                  href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">I had the same problem. I
                  disconnected the fuel hose, added a a long bit of hose
                  and with the coil disconnected, used the fuel pump to
                  pump old fuel into jugs.<o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
              <div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan
                    DiBiase &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                    wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                </div>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Hi all.... My '76B, which was
                      off the road for 5 years, was recently returned to
                      me from the shop. They added some new gas but did
                      not siphon out the 5 year old gas (which was just
                      under 1/2 tank when I had it towed in. The car is
                      running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most
                      of the gas before I fill it up. It is currently
                      showing as just under 1/2 tank, so around 6
                      gallons or a little less (assuming gauge
                      accuracy). <o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">I was able to pump out about
                        2 gallons but am wondering if the interior of
                        the tank is baffled, as I can't seem to move the
                        hose beyond a certain area and it's not sucking
                        up any additional gas. Would really like to
                        remove a couple more gallons before I fill it
                        up.<o:p></o:p></p>
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I measured the voltage on the posts while cranking =3D 10,5 volts. It is on=
 a digital meter, so I wonder if that=E2=80=99s a good value.

The same value is measured on the starter ingoing post.

So no tension loss on the electrical circuits.

Now there is a discussion:

Repair the starter or buy a new one.

High torque starter =3D =E2=82=AC 325,00, which is pricy

Original starter on exchange base =3D =E2=82=AC 200,00

New starter Powerlite =3D =E2=82=AC 239,00

New starter looking like a Lucas (white labelled) =3D =E2=82=AC 135,00

https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-s=
ystem-mgb-electrical-mgb/ 

https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024 

There is a local electrical car parts repair shop, where the alternator has=
 been repaired +/- 10 years ago.

They did a good job.

I assume they can fix the starter as well, but what is better =E2=80=93 a n=
ew one (Angloparts =3D =E2=82=AC 152 or =E2=82=AC 135,00 at octagonparts) o=
r have the original repaired=E2=80=A6

Cheers,

Hans 

Van: PaulHunt73 <[email-masked]> 
Verzonden: dinsdag 10 november 2020 11:41
Aan: [email-masked]
CC: 'mglist' <[email-masked]>; 'MGB-Yahoo' <[email-masked]>
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas

Yes, measure the voltage right on the battery posts (adding the two voltage=
s together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking, then compare that with the =
voltage at the battery cable stud on the solenoid and starter body when cra=
nking.  The difference between the two is what is being lost in the connect=
ions, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't be much more than that.

If you get much less than 10v at the battery posts then that is the problem=
=2E

PaulH.

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Nothing helped so far.

Nice winter job.

Namens Dan DiBiase
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Dan D

 

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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I measured the voltage on the posts =
while cranking =3D 10,5 volts. It is on a digital meter, so I wonder if =
that=E2=80=99s a good value.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The same value is measured on the =
starter ingoing post.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>So no tension loss on =
the electrical circuits.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><br>Now there is a =
discussion:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Repair the starter or buy a new =
one.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>High torque starter =3D =E2=82=AC =
325,00, which is pricy<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Original starter on =
exchange base =3D =E2=82=AC 200,00<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>New starter Powerlite =3D =E2=82=AC =
239,00<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>New starter looking like a Lucas =
(white labelled) =3D =E2=82=AC 135,00<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><a =
href=3D"https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/=
starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/">https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-=
categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/</a> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><a =
href=3D"https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024">http=
s://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024</a> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>There is a local electrical car =
parts repair shop, where the alternator has been repaired +/- 10 years =
ago.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>They did a good =
job.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I assume they can fix the starter =
as well, but what is better =E2=80=93 a new one (Angloparts =3D =
=E2=82=AC 152 or =E2=82=AC 135,00 at octagonparts) or have the original =
repaired=E2=80=A6<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hans <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><di=
v style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>Van:</b> PaulHunt73 =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Verzonden:</b> dinsdag 10 =
november 2020 11:41<br><b>Aan:</b> [email-masked]<br><b>CC:</b> =
'mglist' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; 'MGB-Yahoo' =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Slow =
cranking, was Siphoning Gas<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Yes,&nbsp;measure the =
voltage&nbsp;right on the battery posts (adding the two voltages =
together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking, then compare that with the =
voltage at the battery cable stud on the solenoid&nbsp;and starter body =
when cranking.&nbsp; The difference between the two is what is being =
lost in the connections, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't be much =
more than that.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>If you get much less =
than 10v at the battery posts then&nbsp;that&nbsp;is the =
problem.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>PaulH.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:=
5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>----- Original =
Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:#E4E4E4'><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-lang=
uage:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Next job is the slow =
starter motor. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I already cleaned the =
battery posts clamps and the post of the battery to chassis =
cable.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis =
to engine cable. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Nothing helped so =
far.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>So next will be verifying the =
battery voltage when cranking. I assume it will be o.k. as the battery =
is new.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Following step will be measuring =
the voltage over the starter motor +12V to the =
engine.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>When o.k., the starter is suspect. =
As it never was overhauled, this is logical.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Nice winter =
job.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>Van:</b> Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt; <b>Namens </b>Dan DiBiase<br><b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 22 oktober =
2020 22:26<br><b>Aan:</b> Richard Lindsay &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&g=
t;<br><b>CC:</b> mglist &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; MGB-Yahoo =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>=
<b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>OMG, =
duh! Thanks to all that replied with this excellent (and obvious, now!) =
advice..............................<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Dan D<br clear=3Dall><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><a href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/" =
target=3D"_blank">http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p></di=
v></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&g=
t; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I had the same problem. I disconnected =
the fuel hose, added a a long bit of hose and with the coil =
disconnected, used the fuel pump to pump old fuel into =
jugs.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan DiBiase &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Hi all.... My '76B, which&nbsp;was off =
the road for 5 years, was recently returned to me from the shop. They =
added some new gas but did not siphon out the 5 year old gas (which was =
just under 1/2 tank when I had it towed in. The car is running pretty =
rough so I want to siphon out most of the gas before I fill it up. It is =
currently showing as just under 1/2 tank, so around 6 gallons or a =
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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2020 14:45:24 -0000 yIcS+3xlDmpFeagmiHvLKaqVisHKorPooPULp9TI22LkEA4wBrFXQJcTVRasegx6REPACAnU9aN4cNBKbY2gu4ai/klW8Sro+WEL1o2VgeTJ+yHw2DVuAmep

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Yes it is a good value, but you need to measure the voltage at the =
starter battery cable terminal and body as well.

The starter is a bit chicken and egg.  As less voltage reaches the =
starter from, say, poor connections the battery voltage will go up even =
though the cranking speed goes down, because the starter voltage has =
gone down. =20

If the circuit though the starter - which includes the solenoid on a =
pre-engaged is poor then voltage at the battery and the starter =
terminals will be good even though cranking speed is low.

If there is excessive mechanical load on the starter causing the slow =
cranking, then both battery and starter voltage will be lower even with =
a good battery.

And of course if the battery is weak then the voltage measured right on =
the battery posts will be low.

Geared starters are very good seemingly achieving the impossible of =
reducing battery drain whilst increasing cranking speeds and making =
starter easier, but are expensive.

A better bet is a modern non-geared starter which goes some way to =
achieving the benefits of a geared at a lighter weight and about half =
the price of an original.  Moss Europe for example have the geared at =
=C2=A3223, the light-weight at =C2=A388, and the OE at =C2=A3130 plus =
=C2=A315 returnable surcharge on a rebuildable unit.  The term =
'hi-torque' can be confusing, some suppliers apply that to the geared =
and some to the lightweight.  The difference between the two is that in =
the geared the solenoid with its connections is in line with the output =
pinion and the motor is on the side, instead of being the other way =
round.  Also the solenoid and the motor are very nearly the same sizes, =
again unlike the others.  A drawback with the geared, and maybe the =
light-weight, is that they don't have the rubber bumper coil boost =
contact which aids starting.  The geared may well not need it, and it =
can be replicated with an additional relay, or more easily with a =
split-charge relay with two output connections, or a diode if you know =
what you are doing.

PaulH.

  =20

  I measured the voltage on the posts while cranking =3D 10,5 volts. It =
is on a digital meter, so I wonder if that=E2=80=99s a good value.

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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Yes it is a good value, but you&nbsp;need to measure =
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voltage=20
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go up=20
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has gone=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>If the circuit though the starter - which includes =
the=20
solenoid on a pre-engaged is poor then voltage at the battery and the =
starter=20
terminals will be&nbsp;good even though cranking speed is =
low.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>If there is excessive mechanical load on the starter =
causing=20
the slow cranking, then both battery and starter voltage will be lower =
even with=20
a good battery.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>And of course if the battery is weak then the =
voltage measured=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Geared starters are very good seemingly achieving =
the=20
impossible of&nbsp;reducing battery drain whilst increasing cranking =
speeds and=20
making starter easier, but are&nbsp;expensive.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>A better bet is a modern non-geared starter which =
goes some=20
way to achieving the benefits of a geared at a lighter weight and about =
half the=20
price of an original.&nbsp; Moss Europe for example have the geared at =
=C2=A3223, the=20
light-weight at =C2=A388, and the OE at =C2=A3130 plus =C2=A315 =
returnable surcharge on a=20
rebuildable&nbsp;unit.&nbsp; The term 'hi-torque' can be confusing, some =

suppliers apply that to the geared and some to the lightweight.&nbsp; =
The=20
difference between the two is that in the geared the solenoid with its=20
connections&nbsp;is in line with the output pinion and the motor is on =
the side,=20
instead of being the other way round.&nbsp; Also the solenoid and the =
motor are=20
very nearly the same sizes, again unlike the others.&nbsp;&nbsp;A =
drawback with=20
the geared, and maybe the light-weight, is that they don't have the =
rubber=20
bumper coil boost contact which aids starting.&nbsp; The geared may well =
not=20
need it, and it can be replicated with an additional relay, or more =
easily with=20
a split-charge relay with two output connections, or&nbsp;a diode if you =
know=20
what you are doing.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>PaulH.</FONT></DIV>
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  measured the voltage on the posts while cranking =3D 10,5 volts. It is =
on a=20
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value.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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P.S. I discovered that one of the 2 long screws which starter assembly toge=
ther was quite lose.

This makes, that the motor body does not make contact with the aluminium pa=
rt, which bolts the starter to the engine.

Any chance, that this would cause poor contacts and slow starter operation?=

Cheers,

Hans

Van: [email-masked] <[email-masked]> 
Verzonden: zondag 15 november 2020 14:47
Aan: 'PaulHunt73' <[email-masked]>
CC: 'mglist' <[email-masked]>; 'MGB-Yahoo' <[email-masked]>
Onderwerp: RE: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas

They did a good job.

Cheers,

Hans 

com> > 

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 

Nothing helped so far.

Nice winter job.

Namens Dan DiBiase

Dan D

 

Thx, 

Dan D

'76B-  Getting There

'65B - Waiting It's Turn

Central NJ USA

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long screws which starter assembly together was quite =
lose.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>This makes, that the motor body =
does not make contact with the aluminium part, which bolts the starter =
to the engine.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Any chance, that this =
would cause poor contacts and slow starter =
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10.5 V seems okay to me.

Well, I would first take the defective starter motor apart,

then determine what is wrong and then decide what to do.

Yes, there are better options now, but IMHO the original design was
quite adequate.

Bert.

Op 15-11-2020 om 14:47 schreef [email-masked]:
>
> I measured the voltage on the posts while cranking =3D 10,5 volts. It is
> on a digital meter, so I wonder if that=E2=80=99s a good value.
>
> https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/startin=
g-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/
> <https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starti=
ng-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/>
> <https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024>
>
> There is a local electrical car parts repair shop, where the
> alternator has been repaired +/- 10 years ago.
>
> They did a good job.
>
> I assume they can fix the starter as well, but what is better =E2=80=93 =
a new
> one (Angloparts =3D =E2=82=AC 152 or =E2=82=AC 135,00 at octagonparts) o=
r have the
> original repaired=E2=80=A6
>
> Cheers,
>
> Hans
>
> *Van:* PaulHunt73 <[email-masked]>
> *Verzonden:* dinsdag 10 november 2020 11:41
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> *CC:* 'mglist' <[email-masked]>; 'MGB-Yahoo' <[email-masked]=
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> *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
>
> Yes,=C2=A0measure the voltage=C2=A0right on the battery posts (adding th=
e two
> that with the voltage at the battery cable stud on the solenoid=C2=A0and
> If you get much less than 10v at the battery posts then=C2=A0that=C2=A0i=
s the
>     *Van:* Mgs <[email-masked]
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    <p>10.5 V seems okay to me.<br>
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    </p>
    <p>then determine what is wrong and then decide what to do.</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>Yes, there are better options now, but IMHO the original design
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<o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang=3D"EN-GB">I measured the voltage on the posts while
            cranking =3D 10,5 volts. It is on a digital meter, so I wonder
            if that=E2=80=99s a good value.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang=3D"EN-GB">The same value is measured on the starter
            ingoing post.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang=3D"EN-GB">So no tension loss on the electrical circuits.<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang=3D"EN-GB"><br>
            Now there is a discussion:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang=3D"EN-GB">Repair the starter or buy a new one.<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang=3D"EN-GB">High torque starter =3D =E2=82=AC 325,00, which=
 is pricy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang=3D"EN-GB">Original starter on exchange base =3D =E2=82=AC=
 200,00<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang=3D"EN-GB">New starter Powerlite =3D =E2=82=AC 239,00<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang=3D"EN-GB">New starter looking like a Lucas (white
            labelled) =3D =E2=82=AC 135,00<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang=3D"EN-GB"><a
href=3D"https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/s=
tarting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/"
              moz-do-not-send=3D"true">https://www.octagonparts.nl/product=
-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/</a>
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang=3D"EN-GB"><a
              href=3D"https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/=
082.024"
              moz-do-not-send=3D"true">https://www.angloparts.com/en/catal=
ogues/part/26883/082.024</a>
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang=3D"EN-GB">There is a local electrical car parts repair
            shop, where the alternator has been repaired +/- 10 years
            ago.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang=3D"EN-GB">They did a good job.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang=3D"EN-GB">I assume they can fix the starter as well, but
            what is better =E2=80=93 a new one (Angloparts =3D =E2=82=AC 1=
52 or =E2=82=AC 135,00
            at octagonparts) or have the original repaired=E2=80=A6<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang=3D"EN-GB">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang=3D"EN-GB">Hans <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></span></p>
        <div>
          <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
            1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>Van:</b> PaulHunt73
              <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:paulhunt73=
@virginmedia.com">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> <br>
              <b>Verzonden:</b> dinsdag 10 november 2020 11:41<br>
              <b>Aan:</b> <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br>
              <b>CC:</b> 'mglist' <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a>;
              'MGB-Yahoo' <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailt=
o:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
              <b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning
              Gas<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
        </div>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></p>
        <div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">Yes,=
=C2=A0measure
                the voltage=C2=A0right on the battery posts (adding the tw=
o
                voltages together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking,
                then compare that with the voltage at the battery cable
                stud on the solenoid=C2=A0and starter body when cranking.=
=C2=A0
                The difference between the two is what is being lost in
                the connections, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't
                be much more than that.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">If you
                get much less than 10v at the battery posts then=C2=A0that=
=C2=A0is
                the problem.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">PaulH.=
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
        </div>
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          1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm
4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5=
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            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
                style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sa=
ns-serif">-----
                Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:#E4E4E4"><span
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-far=
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                lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US=
"
              lang=3D"EN-GB">Next job is the slow starter motor. <o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US=
"
              lang=3D"EN-GB">I already cleaned the battery posts clamps
              and the post of the battery to chassis cable.<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US=
"
              lang=3D"EN-GB">Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis to engine
              cable. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US=
"
              lang=3D"EN-GB">Nothing helped so far.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US=
"
              lang=3D"EN-GB">So next will be verifying the battery voltage
              when cranking. I assume it will be o.k. as the battery is
              new.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US=
"
              lang=3D"EN-GB">Following step will be measuring the voltage
              over the starter motor +12V to the engine.<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US=
"
              lang=3D"EN-GB">When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it
              never was overhauled, this is logical.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US=
"
              lang=3D"EN-GB">Nice winter job.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US=
"
              lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></span></p>
          <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
            1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>Van:</b> Mgs &lt;<a
                href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"
                moz-do-not-send=3D"true">[email-masked]</a>&gt=
;
              <b>Namens </b>Dan DiBiase<br>
              <b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 22 oktober 2020 22:26<br>
              <b>Aan:</b> Richard Lindsay &lt;<a
                href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"
                moz-do-not-send=3D"true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
<br>
              <b>CC:</b> mglist &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"
                moz-do-not-send=3D"true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;;
              MGB-Yahoo &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"
                moz-do-not-send=3D"true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br=
              <b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></p>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal">OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied
              with this excellent (and obvious, now!)
              advice..............................<o:p></o:p></p>
            <div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Dan D<br clear=3D"all">
                <o:p></o:p></p>
              <div>
                <div>
                  <div>
                    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a
                        href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/"
                        target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">http://=
dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></p>
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          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></p>
          <div>
            <div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM
                Richard Lindsay &lt;<a
                  href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"
                  moz-do-not-send=3D"true">[email-masked]</a>&g=
t;
                wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
            </div>
            <blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC
              1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.=
0pt">
              <div>
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal">I had the same problem. I
                  disconnected the fuel hose, added a a long bit of hose
                  and with the coil disconnected, used the fuel pump to
                  pump old fuel into jugs.<o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></p>
              <div>
                <div>
                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan
                    DiBiase &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"
                      target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">dan.dibia=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                    wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.=
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                    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi all.... My '76B, which=C2=A0=
was
                      off the road for 5 years, was recently returned to
                      me from the shop. They added some new gas but did
                      not siphon out the 5 year old gas (which was just
                      under 1/2 tank when I had it towed in. The car is
                      running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most
                      of the gas before I fill it up. It is currently
                      showing as just under 1/2 tank, so around 6
                      gallons or a little less (assuming gauge
                      accuracy).=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p>
                    <div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">I was able to pump out about
                        2 gallons but am wondering if the interior of
                        the tank is baffled, as I can't seem to move the
                        hose beyond a certain area and it's not sucking
                        up any additional gas. Would really like to
                        remove a couple more gallons before I fill it
                        up.<o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thx,=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></p>
                    </div>
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                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Dan D<o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">'76B-=C2=A0 Getting There<o:p=
></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">'65B - Waiting It's Turn<o:p>=
</o:p></p>
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I've known two halves of an alternator have a poor electrical connection =
between them and that caused low output.  If the starter end plate is =
used to pass current through to the innards then you could well have a =
similar problem, also if the end-plate is moving around when the starter =
is cranking.  If the rotor shaft is allowed to move laterally it may be =
binding on the stator.

PaulH.

  P.S. I discovered that one of the 2 long screws which starter assembly =
together was quite lose.

  This makes, that the motor body does not make contact with the =
aluminium part, which bolts the starter to the engine.

  Any chance, that this would cause poor contacts and slow starter =
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Hello folks,

I have had a few MGs including my first car ever - a brand new MG TD.   
I find that Lucas bits are used on may cars inducing on my current 'in 
progress' chariot.    I am not sure 'new' things these days are as  good 
as 'old' ones  When I took in our clothes washer in to be fixed I asked 
the shop if I should buy a new one from them or recondition the old 
one.  The bloke took me into the back repair area and said 'Look'.  It 
was filed with new machines and no old ones.  He said my 30 year old 
reconditioned washer would last another 30 years but a new one would 
expire pretty soon after its 2 year warranty.  Remembering that our  
'top of the line' German dish washer has had two service calls in its 
two years I went with reconditioning.   A local bod, who does nothing 
else but starters, alternators, generators, dissembled my sick starter 
and generator in front of me and pointed out the parts that needed 
replacement. On picking the units up a few days latter I was faced with 
a total bill of C$150.    So I will always go with bods that do 
'refurbishing' provided they are a well established shop.   Using 'on 
line' outfits is a lottery call but there some good guys out there.

Now back to the program !

Cheers
Barrie

On 11/15/2020 8:47 AM, [email-masked] wrote:
>
> I measured the voltage on the posts while cranking = 10,5 volts. It is 
> on a digital meter, so I wonder if that’s a good value.
>
> High torque starter = € 325,00, which is pricy
>
> Original starter on exchange base = € 200,00
>
> New starter Powerlite = € 239,00
>
> New starter looking like a Lucas (white labelled) = € 135,00
>
> https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/ 
> <https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/> 
>
>
> I assume they can fix the starter as well, but what is better – a new 
> one (Angloparts = € 152 or € 135,00 at octagonparts) or have the 
> original repaired…
>
> Cheers,
>
> Hans
>
> *CC:* 'mglist' <[email-masked]>; 'MGB-Yahoo' <[email-masked]>
>     <http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/[email-masked]>
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    <font size="-1"><font face="Arial">Hello folks,<br>
        <br>
        I have had a few MGs including my first car ever - a brand new
        MG TD.   I find that Lucas bits are used on may cars inducing on
        my current 'in progress' chariot.    I am not sure 'new' things
        these days are as  good as 'old' ones  When I took in our
        clothes washer in to be fixed I asked the shop if I should buy a
        new one from them or recondition the old one.  The bloke took me
        into the back repair area and said 'Look'.  It was filed with
        new machines and no old ones.  He said my 30 year old
        reconditioned washer would last another 30 years but a new one
        would expire pretty soon after its 2 year warranty.  Remembering
        that our  'top of the line' German dish washer has had two
        service calls in its two years I went with reconditioning.   A
        local bod, who does nothing else but starters, alternators,
        generators, dissembled my sick starter and generator in front of
        me and pointed out the parts that needed replacement. On picking
        the units up a few days latter I was faced with a total bill of
        C$150.    So I will always go with bods that do 'refurbishing'
        provided they are a well established shop.   Using 'on line'
        outfits is a lottery call but there some good guys out there.<br>
        <br>
        Now back to the program !<br>
        <br>
        Cheers<br>
        Barrie<br>
      </font></font><br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/15/2020 8:47 AM,
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-GB">I measured the voltage on the posts while
            cranking = 10,5 volts. It is on a digital meter, so I wonder
            if that’s a good value.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-GB">The same value is measured on the starter
            ingoing post.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-GB">So no tension loss on the electrical circuits.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-GB"><br>
            Now there is a discussion:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-GB">Repair the starter or buy a new one.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-GB">High torque starter = € 325,00, which is pricy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-GB">Original starter on exchange base = € 200,00<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-GB">New starter Powerlite = € 239,00<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-GB">New starter looking like a Lucas (white
            labelled) = € 135,00<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-GB"><a
href="https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/"
              moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/</a>
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-GB"><a
              href="https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024"
              moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024</a>
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-GB">There is a local electrical car parts repair
            shop, where the alternator has been repaired +/- 10 years
            ago.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-GB">They did a good job.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-GB">I assume they can fix the starter as well, but
            what is better – a new one (Angloparts = € 152 or € 135,00
            at octagonparts) or have the original repaired…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-GB">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-GB">Hans <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Van:</b> PaulHunt73
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> <br>
              <b>Verzonden:</b> dinsdag 10 november 2020 11:41<br>
              <b>Aan:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br>
              <b>CC:</b> 'mglist' <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a>;
              'MGB-Yahoo' <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
              <b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning
              Gas<o:p></o:p></p>
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        </div>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <div>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Yes, measure
                the voltage right on the battery posts (adding the two
                voltages together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking,
                then compare that with the voltage at the battery cable
                stud on the solenoid and starter body when cranking. 
                The difference between the two is what is being lost in
                the connections, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't
                be much more than that.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">If you
                get much less than 10v at the battery posts then that is
                the problem.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">PaulH.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-GB">Next job is the slow starter motor. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-GB">I already cleaned the battery posts clamps
              and the post of the battery to chassis cable.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-GB">Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis to engine
              cable. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-GB">Nothing helped so far.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-GB">So next will be verifying the battery voltage
              when cranking. I assume it will be o.k. as the battery is
              new.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-GB">Following step will be measuring the voltage
              over the starter motor +12V to the engine.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-GB">When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it
              never was overhauled, this is logical.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-GB">Nice winter job.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Van:</b> Mgs &lt;<a
                href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
              <b>Namens </b>Dan DiBiase<br>
              <b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 22 oktober 2020 22:26<br>
              <b>Aan:</b> Richard Lindsay &lt;<a
                href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
              <b>CC:</b> mglist &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;;
              MGB-Yahoo &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
              <b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied
              with this excellent (and obvious, now!)
              advice..............................<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal">Dan D<br clear="all">
                <o:p></o:p></p>
              <div>
                <div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><a
                        href="http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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                </div>
              </div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
            </div>
          </div>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          <div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM
                Richard Lindsay &lt;<a
                  href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">I had the same problem. I
                  disconnected the fuel hose, added a a long bit of hose
                  and with the coil disconnected, used the fuel pump to
                  pump old fuel into jugs.<o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Hi all.... My '76B, which was
                      off the road for 5 years, was recently returned to
                      me from the shop. They added some new gas but did
                      not siphon out the 5 year old gas (which was just
                      under 1/2 tank when I had it towed in. The car is
                      running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most
                      of the gas before I fill it up. It is currently
                      showing as just under 1/2 tank, so around 6
                      gallons or a little less (assuming gauge
                      accuracy). <o:p></o:p></p>
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                        2 gallons but am wondering if the interior of
                        the tank is baffled, as I can't seem to move the
                        hose beyond a certain area and it's not sucking
                        up any additional gas. Would really like to
                        remove a couple more gallons before I fill it
                        up.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">'76B-  Getting There<o:p></o:p></p>
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The high torque starters are small, lighter, and use less amperage than =
a stock one.  In addition, they turn the motor faster and give you =
better starts.  Plus they are generally high quality for Japanese cars, =
fitted to ours.  That would be my first choice.

=20

The replacement parts made for our cars are often made in China and low =
quality.  So I would say second choice is rebuilt.

=20

From: Mgs <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Barrie Robinson
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 1:33 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas

=20

Hello folks,

I have had a few MGs including my first car ever - a brand new MG TD.   =
I find that Lucas bits are used on may cars inducing on my current 'in =
progress' chariot.    I am not sure 'new' things these days are as  good =
as 'old' ones  When I took in our clothes washer in to be fixed I asked =
the shop if I should buy a new one from them or recondition the old one. =
 The bloke took me into the back repair area and said 'Look'.  It was =
filed with new machines and no old ones.  He said my 30 year old =
reconditioned washer would last another 30 years but a new one would =
expire pretty soon after its 2 year warranty.  Remembering that our  =
'top of the line' German dish washer has had two service calls in its =
two years I went with reconditioning.   A local bod, who does nothing =
else but starters, alternators, generators, dissembled my sick starter =
and generator in front of me and pointed out the parts that needed =
replacement. On picking the units up a few days latter I was faced with =
a total bill of C$150.    So I will always go with bods that do =
'refurbishing' provided they are a well established shop.   Using 'on =
line' outfits is a lottery call but there some good guys out there.

Cheers
Barrie

On 11/15/2020 8:47 AM, [email-masked] =

=20

I measured the voltage on the posts while cranking =3D 10,5 volts. It is =
on a digital meter, so I wonder if that=E2=80=99s a good value.

=20

https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting=
-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/=20

=20

https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024=20

=20

There is a local electrical car parts repair shop, where the alternator =
has been repaired +/- 10 years ago.

They did a good job.

I assume they can fix the starter as well, but what is better =E2=80=93 =
a new one (Angloparts =3D =E2=82=AC 152 or =E2=82=AC 135,00 at =
octagonparts) or have the original repaired=E2=80=A6

=20

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Hans=20

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Verzonden: dinsdag 10 november 2020 11:41
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas

=20

=20

=20

PaulH.

=20

=20

Nothing helped so far.

So next will be verifying the battery voltage when cranking. I assume it =
will be o.k. as the battery is new.

Following step will be measuring the voltage over the starter motor +12V =
to the engine.

Nice winter job.

=20

Verzonden: donderdag 22 oktober 2020 22:26
Aan: Richard Lindsay <[email-masked] =
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas

=20

=20

Dan D

=20

=20

I had the same problem. I disconnected the fuel hose, added a a long bit =
of hose and with the coil disconnected, used the fuel pump to pump old =
fuel into jugs.

=20

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Hi all.... My '76B, which was off the road for 5 years, was recently =
returned to me from the shop. They added some new gas but did not siphon =
out the 5 year old gas (which was just under 1/2 tank when I had it =
towed in. The car is running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most =
of the gas before I fill it up. It is currently showing as just under =
1/2 tank, so around 6 gallons or a little less (assuming gauge =
accuracy).=20

=20

I was able to pump out about 2 gallons but am wondering if the interior =
of the tank is baffled, as I can't seem to move the hose beyond a =
certain area and it's not sucking up any additional gas. Would really =
like to remove a couple more gallons before I fill it up.

=20

Thx,=20

=20

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'76B-  Getting There

'65B - Waiting It's Turn

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vlink=3Dpurple style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><div =
class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>The high torque starters are =
small, lighter, and use less amperage than a stock one.=C2=A0 In =
addition, they turn the motor faster and give you better starts.=C2=A0 =
Plus they are generally high quality for Japanese cars, fitted to =
ours.=C2=A0 That would be my first choice.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>The =
replacement parts made for our cars are often made in China and low =
quality.=C2=A0 So I would say second choice is rebuilt.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Mgs =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Barrie =
Robinson<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, November 15, 2020 1:33 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was =
Siphoning Gas<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Hello =
folks,<br><br>I have had a few MGs including my first car ever - a brand =
new MG TD.&nbsp;&nbsp; I find that Lucas bits are used on may cars =
inducing on my current 'in progress' chariot.&nbsp; &nbsp; I am not sure =
'new' things these days are as&nbsp; good as 'old' ones&nbsp; When I =
took in our clothes washer in to be fixed I asked the shop if I should =
buy a new one from them or recondition the old one.&nbsp; The bloke took =
me into the back repair area and said 'Look'.&nbsp; It was filed with =
new machines and no old ones.&nbsp; He said my 30 year old reconditioned =
washer would last another 30 years but a new one would expire pretty =
soon after its 2 year warranty.&nbsp; Remembering that our&nbsp; 'top of =
the line' German dish washer has had two service calls in its two years =
I went with reconditioning.&nbsp;&nbsp; A local bod, who does nothing =
else but starters, alternators, generators, dissembled my sick starter =
and generator in front of me and pointed out the parts that needed =
replacement. On picking the units up a few days latter I was faced with =
a total bill of C$150.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; So I will always go with bods =
that do 'refurbishing' provided they are a well established =
shop.&nbsp;&nbsp; Using 'on line' outfits is a lottery call but there =
some good guys out there.<br><br>Now back to the program =
!<br><br>Cheers<br>Barrie</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On 11/15/2020 8:47 AM, <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>I measured the voltage on the posts while cranking =3D 10,5 =
volts. It is on a digital meter, so I wonder if that=E2=80=99s a good =
value.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>The =
same value is measured on the starter ingoing =
post.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>So no =
tension loss on the electrical circuits.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB><br>Now there is a =
discussion:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Repair the starter or buy a new =
one.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>High =
torque starter =3D =E2=82=AC 325,00, which is =
pricy</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Original starter on exchange base =3D =E2=82=AC =
200,00</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>New =
starter Powerlite =3D =E2=82=AC 239,00</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>New starter looking like a Lucas =
(white labelled) =3D =E2=82=AC 135,00</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB><a =
href=3D"https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/=
starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/">https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-=
categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/</a> =
</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><a =
href=3D"https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024">http=
s://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024</a> =
</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>There is a local electrical car parts repair shop, where =
the alternator has been repaired +/- 10 years =
ago.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>They =
did a good job.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>I assume they can fix the starter as well, but what is =
better =E2=80=93 a new one (Angloparts =3D =E2=82=AC 152 or =E2=82=AC =
135,00 at octagonparts) or have the original =
repaired=E2=80=A6</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Hans </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>Van:</b> PaulHunt73 <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]=
&gt;</a> <br><b>Verzonden:</b> dinsdag 10 november 2020 =
11:41<br><b>Aan:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><b>CC:=
</b> 'mglist' <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a>; =
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<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning =
Gas<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Yes,&nbsp;measure the =
voltage&nbsp;right on the battery posts (adding the two voltages =
together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking, then compare that with the =
voltage at the battery cable stud on the solenoid&nbsp;and starter body =
when cranking.&nbsp; The difference between the two is what is being =
lost in the connections, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't be much =
more than that.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>If you get much less =
than 10v at the battery posts then&nbsp;that&nbsp;is the =
problem.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>PaulH.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:=
5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>----- Original =
Message ----- </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:#E4E4E4'><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Next job is the slow starter motor. =
</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>I already =
cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of the battery to chassis =
cable.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>Also =
cleaned thoroughly the chassis to engine cable. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>Nothing helped so =
far.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>So =
next will be verifying the battery voltage when cranking. I assume it =
will be o.k. as the battery is new.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>Following step will be measuring =
the voltage over the starter motor +12V to the =
engine.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it never was =
overhauled, this is logical.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>Nice winter =
job.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>Van:</b> Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt; <b>Namens </b>Dan DiBiase<br><b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 22 oktober =
2020 22:26<br><b>Aan:</b> Richard Lindsay &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&g=
t;<br><b>CC:</b> mglist &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; MGB-Yahoo =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>=
<b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>OMG, =
duh! Thanks to all that replied with this excellent (and obvious, now!) =
advice..............................<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Dan D<br clear=3Dall><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><a href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/" =
target=3D"_blank">http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p></di=
v></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&g=
t; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I had the same problem. I disconnected =
the fuel hose, added a a long bit of hose and with the coil =
disconnected, used the fuel pump to pump old fuel into =
jugs.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan DiBiase &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Hi all.... My '76B, which&nbsp;was off =
the road for 5 years, was recently returned to me from the shop. They =
added some new gas but did not siphon out the 5 year old gas (which was =
just under 1/2 tank when I had it towed in. The car is running pretty =
rough so I want to siphon out most of the gas before I fill it up. It is =
currently showing as just under 1/2 tank, so around 6 gallons or a =
little less (assuming gauge accuracy).&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
was able to pump out about 2 gallons but am wondering if the interior of =
the tank is baffled, as I can't seem to move the hose beyond a certain =
area and it's not sucking up any additional gas. Would really like to =
remove a couple more gallons before I fill it =
up.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Thx,&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Dan D<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>'76B-&nbsp; Getting There<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>'65B - Waiting It's Turn<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Central NJ USA<br =
clear=3Dall><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/" =
target=3D"_blank">http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p></di=
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Hi Barrie,
   You are spot-on about new washing machines.  My sister has had three expe=
nsive washers in ten years, each beyond economical repair when it failed. By=
 contrast, my Maytag is now more than 30 years old.  They once advertised th=
at the loneliest man in town was the Maytag repair man. Not any longer....
   Two or three years ago I took my erratic alternator to a shop that many i=
n the CT MG Club regard highly.  With sadness, the proprietor recommended a n=
ew unit that he said was not great, but that its cost would be less than his=
 repairing the old one with second-rate parts now available.=20
   Similarly, the old Electrolux motor. Apparently there are no motors to be=
 had, so I bought a new one vacuum cleaner, another Electrolux. Shop owner w=
as son of the shop founder. He advised to not expect 45 years of service fro=
m the new one.  Some might say that sucks.
Bob

> On Nov 15, 2020, at 2:33 PM, Barrie Robinson <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Hello folks,
>=20
> I have had a few MGs including my first car ever - a brand new MG TD.   I f=
ind that Lucas bits are used on may cars inducing on my current 'in progress=
' chariot.    I am not sure 'new' things these days are as  good as 'old' on=
es  When I took in our clothes washer in to be fixed I asked the shop if I s=
hould buy a new one from them or recondition the old one.  The bloke took me=
 into the back repair area and said 'Look'.  It was filed with new machines a=
nd no old ones.  He said my 30 year old reconditioned washer would last anot=
her 30 years but a new one would expire pretty soon after its 2 year warrant=
y.  Remembering that our  'top of the line' German dish washer has had two s=
ervice calls in its two years I went with reconditioning.   A local bod, who=
 does nothing else but starters, alternators, generators, dissembled my sick=
 starter and generator in front of me and pointed out the parts that needed r=
eplacement. On picking the units up a few days latter I was faced with a tot=
al bill of C$150.    So I will always go with bods that do 'refurbishing' pr=
ovided they are a well established shop.   Using 'on line' outfits is a lott=
ery call but there some good guys out there.
>> I measured the voltage on the posts while cranking =3D 10,5 volts. It is o=
n a digital meter, so I wonder if that=E2=80=99s a good value.
>> https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting=
-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/
>> There is a local electrical car parts repair shop, where the alternator h=
as been repaired +/- 10 years ago.
>> They did a good job.
>> I assume they can fix the starter as well, but what is better =E2=80=93 a=
 new one (Angloparts =3D =E2=82=AC 152 or =E2=82=AC 135,00 at octagonparts) o=
r have the original repaired=E2=80=A6
>> =20
>> Cheers,
>> Hans
>> =20
>> Van: PaulHunt73 <[email-masked]>=20
>> Yes, measure the voltage right on the battery posts (adding the two volta=
ges together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking, then compare that with the=
 voltage at the battery cable stud on the solenoid and starter body when cra=
nking.  The difference between the two is what is being lost in the connecti=
ons, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't be much more than that.
>> =20
>> If you get much less than 10v at the battery posts then that is the probl=
em.
>> I already cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of the battery to=
 chassis cable.
>> So next will be verifying the battery voltage when cranking. I assume it w=
ill be o.k. as the battery is new.
>> Following step will be measuring the voltage over the starter motor +12V t=
o the engine.
>> When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it never was overhauled, this is lo=
gical.
>> OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied with this excellent (and obvious, no=
w!) advice..............................
>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay <[email-masked]=
m> wrote:
>> I had the same problem. I disconnected the fuel hose, added a a long bit o=
f hose and with the coil disconnected, used the fuel pump to pump old fuel i=
nto jugs.
>> =20
>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan DiBiase <[email-masked]> wrote:
>> Hi all.... My '76B, which was off the road for 5 years, was recently retu=
rned to me from the shop. They added some new gas but did not siphon out the=
 5 year old gas (which was just under 1/2 tank when I had it towed in. The c=
ar is running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most of the gas before I f=
ill it up. It is currently showing as just under 1/2 tank, so around 6 gallo=
ns or a little less (assuming gauge accuracy).=20
>> =20
>> I was able to pump out about 2 gallons but am wondering if the interior o=
f the tank is baffled, as I can't seem to move the hose beyond a certain are=
a and it's not sucking up any additional gas. Would really like to remove a c=
ouple more gallons before I fill it up.
>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richardolindsay@gm=
ail.com
>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/paulhunt73@virginm=
edia.com
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi B=
arrie,</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; &nbsp;You are spot-on about new washing m=
achines. &nbsp;My sister has had three expensive washers in ten years, each b=
eyond economical repair when it failed. By contrast, my Maytag is now more t=
han 30 years old. &nbsp;They once advertised that the loneliest man in town w=
as the Maytag repair man. Not any longer....</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; &n=
bsp;Two or three years ago I took my erratic alternator to a shop that many i=
n the CT MG Club regard highly. &nbsp;With sadness, the proprietor recommend=
ed a new unit that he said was not great, but that its cost would be less th=
an his repairing the old one with second-rate parts now available.&nbsp;</di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; &nbsp;Similarly, the old Electrolux motor. Apparen=
tly there are no motors to be had, so I bought a new one vacuum cleaner, ano=
ther Electrolux. Shop owner was son of the shop founder. He advised to not e=
xpect 45 years of service from the new one. &nbsp;Some might say that sucks.=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
<br>On Nov 15, 2020, at 2:33 PM, Barrie Robinson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:barro=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"=
cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">
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    <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3DUTF-8"=
 =20
 =20
    <font size=3D"-1"><font face=3D"Arial">Hello folks,<br>
        <br>
        I have had a few MGs including my first car ever - a brand new
        MG TD.&nbsp;&nbsp; I find that Lucas bits are used on may cars induc=
ing on
        my current 'in progress' chariot.&nbsp; &nbsp; I am not sure 'new' t=
hings
        these days are as&nbsp; good as 'old' ones&nbsp; When I took in our
        clothes washer in to be fixed I asked the shop if I should buy a
        new one from them or recondition the old one.&nbsp; The bloke took m=
e
        into the back repair area and said 'Look'.&nbsp; It was filed with
        new machines and no old ones.&nbsp; He said my 30 year old
        reconditioned washer would last another 30 years but a new one
        would expire pretty soon after its 2 year warranty.&nbsp; Rememberin=
g
        that our&nbsp; 'top of the line' German dish washer has had two
        service calls in its two years I went with reconditioning.&nbsp;&nbs=
p; A
        local bod, who does nothing else but starters, alternators,
        generators, dissembled my sick starter and generator in front of
        me and pointed out the parts that needed replacement. On picking
        the units up a few days latter I was faced with a total bill of
        C$150.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; So I will always go with bods that do 'refu=
rbishing'
        provided they are a well established shop.&nbsp;&nbsp; Using 'on lin=
e'
        outfits is a lottery call but there some good guys out there.<br>
        <br>
        Now back to the program !<br>
        <br>
        Cheers<br>
        Barrie<br>
      </font></font><br>
    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 11/15/2020 8:47 AM,
      <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:h.duinhoven@plane=
t.nl">[email-masked]</a> wrote:<br>
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        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" la=
ng=3D"EN-GB">I measured the voltage on the posts while
            cranking =3D 10,5 volts. It is on a digital meter, so I wonder
            if that=E2=80=99s a good value.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" la=
ng=3D"EN-GB">The same value is measured on the starter
            ingoing post.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" la=
ng=3D"EN-GB">So no tension loss on the electrical circuits.<o:p></o:p></span=
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ng=3D"EN-GB"><br>
            Now there is a discussion:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" la=
ng=3D"EN-GB">Repair the starter or buy a new one.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" la=
ng=3D"EN-GB">High torque starter =3D =E2=82=AC 325,00, which is pricy<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" la=
ng=3D"EN-GB">Original starter on exchange base =3D =E2=82=AC 200,00<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" la=
ng=3D"EN-GB">New starter Powerlite =3D =E2=82=AC 239,00<o:p></o:p></span></p=
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" la=
ng=3D"EN-GB">New starter looking like a Lucas (white
            labelled) =3D =E2=82=AC 135,00<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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ng=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" la=
ng=3D"EN-GB"><a href=3D"https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/el=
ectrical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">h=
ttps://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-sys=
tem-mgb-electrical-mgb/</a>
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" la=
ng=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" la=
ng=3D"EN-GB"><a href=3D"https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/=
082.024" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/p=
art/26883/082.024</a>
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" la=
ng=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" la=
ng=3D"EN-GB">There is a local electrical car parts repair
            shop, where the alternator has been repaired +/- 10 years
            ago.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" la=
ng=3D"EN-GB">They did a good job.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" la=
ng=3D"EN-GB">I assume they can fix the starter as well, but
            what is better =E2=80=93 a new one (Angloparts =3D =E2=82=AC 152=
 or =E2=82=AC 135,00
            at octagonparts) or have the original repaired=E2=80=A6<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" la=
ng=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" la=
ng=3D"EN-GB">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" la=
ng=3D"EN-GB">Hans <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" la=
ng=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
        <div>
          <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
            1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>Van:</b> PaulHunt73
              <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:paulhunt73@v=
irginmedia.com">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> <br>
              <b>Verzonden:</b> dinsdag 10 november 2020 11:41<br>
              <b>Aan:</b> <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mail=
to:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br>
              <b>CC:</b> 'mglist' <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a>;
              'MGB-Yahoo' <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
              <b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning
              Gas<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
        </div>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
        <div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">Yes,&nbs=
p;measure
                the voltage&nbsp;right on the battery posts (adding the two
                voltages together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking,
                then compare that with the voltage at the battery cable
                stud on the solenoid&nbsp;and starter body when cranking.&nb=
sp;
                The difference between the two is what is being lost in
                the connections, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't
                be much more than that.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">If you
                get much less than 10v at the battery posts then&nbsp;that&n=
bsp;is
                the problem.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">PaulH.</=
span><o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
        </div>
        <blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid black
          1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm
4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0=
pt">
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fami=
ly:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">-----
                Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:#E4E4E4"><span style=3D=
"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-fareast-langu=
age:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" l=
ang=3D"EN-GB">Next job is the slow starter motor. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" l=
ang=3D"EN-GB">I already cleaned the battery posts clamps
              and the post of the battery to chassis cable.<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" l=
ang=3D"EN-GB">Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis to engine
              cable. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" l=
ang=3D"EN-GB">Nothing helped so far.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" l=
ang=3D"EN-GB">So next will be verifying the battery voltage
              when cranking. I assume it will be o.k. as the battery is
              new.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" l=
ang=3D"EN-GB">Following step will be measuring the voltage
              over the starter motor +12V to the engine.<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" l=
ang=3D"EN-GB">When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it
              never was overhauled, this is logical.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" l=
ang=3D"EN-GB">Nice winter job.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" l=
ang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
          <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
            1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>Van:</b> Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgs=
[email-masked]" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">[email-masked]=
</a>&gt;
              <b>Namens </b>Dan DiBiase<br>
              <b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 22 oktober 2020 22:26<br>
              <b>Aan:</b> Richard Lindsay &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:richardolind=
[email-masked]" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br=
              <b>CC:</b> mglist &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" mo=
z-do-not-send=3D"true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;;
              MGB-Yahoo &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" moz-do=
-not-send=3D"true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
              <b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal">OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied
              with this excellent (and obvious, now!)
              advice..............................<o:p></o:p></p>
            <div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Dan D<br clear=3D"all">
                <o:p></o:p></p>
              <div>
                <div>
                  <div>
                    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbin=
touch.com/" target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">http://dandibiase.cbi=
ntouch.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
                  </div>
                </div>
              </div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
            </div>
          </div>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
          <div>
            <div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM
                Richard Lindsay &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:richardolindsay@gmail.=
com" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
            </div>
            <blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC
              1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0p=
t">
              <div>
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal">I had the same problem. I
                  disconnected the fuel hose, added a a long bit of hose
                  and with the coil disconnected, used the fuel pump to
                  pump old fuel into jugs.<o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
              <div>
                <div>
                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan
                    DiBiase &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" tar=
get=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                    wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                </div>
                <blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC
                  1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0p=
t">
                  <div>
                    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi all.... My '76B, which&nbsp;wa=
s
                      off the road for 5 years, was recently returned to
                      me from the shop. They added some new gas but did
                      not siphon out the 5 year old gas (which was just
                      under 1/2 tank when I had it towed in. The car is
                      running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most
                      of the gas before I fill it up. It is currently
                      showing as just under 1/2 tank, so around 6
                      gallons or a little less (assuming gauge
                      accuracy).&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
                    <div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">I was able to pump out about
                        2 gallons but am wondering if the interior of
                        the tank is baffled, as I can't seem to move the
                        hose beyond a certain area and it's not sucking
                        up any additional gas. Would really like to
                        remove a couple more gallons before I fill it
                        up.<o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thx,&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Dan D<o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">'76B-&nbsp; Getting There<o:p><=
/o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">'65B - Waiting It's Turn<o:p></=
o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Central NJ USA<br clear=3D"all"=
                        <o:p></o:p></p>
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New stuff definitely not as good as old, especially anything with rubber =
in it.  As far as white goods barely lasting the warranty period =
'planned obsolescence' was a term that became current decades ago.  My =
Mum only ever had one vacuum cleaner that I first became aware of in the =
50s, also an Electrolux, she said it had been the most powerful one on =
the market.  It may have sucked well 50 years previously but couldn't =
compare with a Bosch for example today, what her cleaner thought of it I =
don't know.  When she died a few years ago I sold it to a collector, =
still had all the accessories, even the original rubber mains cable!

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----=20
     Similarly, the old Electrolux motor. Apparently there are no motors =
to be had, so I bought a new one vacuum cleaner, another Electrolux. =
Shop owner was son of the shop founder. He advised to not expect 45 =
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        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">I measured the =
voltage on the posts while
            cranking =3D 10,5 volts. It is on a digital meter, so I =
wonder
            if that=E2=80=99s a good value.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">The same value is =
measured on the starter
            ingoing post.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">So no tension loss =
on the electrical circuits.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB"><br>
            Now there is a discussion:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">Repair the starter =
or buy a new one.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">High torque starter =
=3D =E2=82=AC 325,00, which is pricy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">Original starter on =
exchange base =3D =E2=82=AC 200,00<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">New starter =
Powerlite =3D =E2=82=AC 239,00<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">New starter looking =
like a Lucas (white
            labelled) =3D =E2=82=AC 135,00<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" =
lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB"><a =
href=3D"https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/=
starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/" =
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mg=
b/electrical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/</a>
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" =
lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB"><a =
href=3D"https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024" =
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26=
883/082.024</a>
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" =
lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">There is a local =
electrical car parts repair
            shop, where the alternator has been repaired +/- 10 years
            ago.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">They did a good =
job.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">I assume they can =
fix the starter as well, but
            what is better =E2=80=93 a new one (Angloparts =3D =E2=82=AC =
152 or =E2=82=AC 135,00
            at octagonparts) or have the original =
repaired=E2=80=A6<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" =
lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" =
lang=3D"EN-GB">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">Hans =
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" =
lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
        <div>
          <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
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            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>Van:</b> PaulHunt73
              <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]=
&gt;</a> <br>
              <b>Verzonden:</b> dinsdag 10 november 2020 11:41<br>
              <b>Aan:</b> <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br>
              <b>CC:</b> 'mglist' <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a>;
              'MGB-Yahoo' <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a>=
<br>
              <b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning
              Gas<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
        </div>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
        <div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">Yes,&nbsp;measure
                the voltage&nbsp;right on the battery posts (adding the =
two
                voltages together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking,
                then compare that with the voltage at the battery cable
                stud on the solenoid&nbsp;and starter body when =
cranking.&nbsp;
                The difference between the two is what is being lost in
                the connections, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't
                be much more than that.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">If =
you
                get much less than 10v at the battery posts =
then&nbsp;that&nbsp;is
                the problem.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">PaulH.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
        </div>
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            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">-----=

                Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:#E4E4E4"><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-fa=
reast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">Next job is the slow =
starter motor. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">I already cleaned =
the battery posts clamps
              and the post of the battery to chassis =
cable.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">Also cleaned =
thoroughly the chassis to engine
              cable. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">Nothing helped so =
far.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">So next will be =
verifying the battery voltage
              when cranking. I assume it will be o.k. as the battery is
              new.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">Following step will =
be measuring the voltage
              over the starter motor +12V to the =
engine.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">When o.k., the =
starter is suspect. As it
              never was overhauled, this is =
logical.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">Nice winter =
job.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" =
lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
          <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
            1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>Van:</b> Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
              <b>Namens </b>Dan DiBiase<br>
              <b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 22 oktober 2020 22:26<br>
              <b>Aan:</b> Richard Lindsay &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
              <b>CC:</b> mglist &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;;
              MGB-Yahoo &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
              <b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal">OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied
              with this excellent (and obvious, now!)
              advice..............................<o:p></o:p></p>
            <div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Dan D<br clear=3D"all">
                <o:p></o:p></p>
              <div>
                <div>
                  <div>
                    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a =
href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/" target=3D"_blank" =
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a><o:p></o:p><=
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              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
            </div>
          </div>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
          <div>
            <div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM
                Richard Lindsay &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC
              1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt">
              <div>
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal">I had the same problem. I
                  disconnected the fuel hose, added a a long bit of hose
                  and with the coil disconnected, used the fuel pump to
                  pump old fuel into jugs.<o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
              <div>
                <div>
                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM =
Dan
                    DiBiase &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                    wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                </div>
                <blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid =
#CCCCCC
                  1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt">
                  <div>
                    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi all.... My '76B, =
which&nbsp;was
                      off the road for 5 years, was recently returned to
                      me from the shop. They added some new gas but did
                      not siphon out the 5 year old gas (which was just
                      under 1/2 tank when I had it towed in. The car is
                      running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most
                      of the gas before I fill it up. It is currently
                      showing as just under 1/2 tank, so around 6
                      gallons or a little less (assuming gauge
                      accuracy).&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
                    <div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">I was able to pump out =
about
                        2 gallons but am wondering if the interior of
                        the tank is baffled, as I can't seem to move the
                        hose beyond a certain area and it's not sucking
                        up any additional gas. Would really like to
                        remove a couple more gallons before I fill it
                        up.<o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thx,&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Dan D<o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">'76B-&nbsp; Getting =
There<o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">'65B - Waiting It's =
Turn<o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
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                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Central NJ USA<br =
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                        <o:p></o:p></p>
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Nice story Bob. 

I still have my 1967 bike, which I used to go to high school these days. Fi=
xed the ball head bearing with parts from a bike museum in January this yea=
r! In winter time the crank bearing needs repair the same way=E2=80=A6

I also am busy with a total overhaul of my 1989 race bike. Problem with tha=
t are the Japanese parts, which are NLA for over 20 years now. Good news is=
 all bearings are o.k. =E2=80=93 new grease and the bike is ready for anoth=
er decade.

Chain rings are replaced with a new type.

Cheers,

Hans

Back to the starter this afternoon. 

Van: Mgs <[email-masked]> Namens Robert's New iPad
Verzonden: zondag 15 november 2020 23:48
Aan: Barrie Robinson <[email-masked]>
CC: [email-masked]
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas

Hi Barrie,

   You are spot-on about new washing machines.  My sister has had three exp=
ensive washers in ten years, each beyond economical repair when it failed. =
By contrast, my Maytag is now more than 30 years old.  They once advertised=
 that the loneliest man in town was the Maytag repair man. Not any longer..=
=2E.

   Two or three years ago I took my erratic alternator to a shop that many =
in the CT MG Club regard highly.  With sadness, the proprietor recommended =
a new unit that he said was not great, but that its cost would be less than=
 his repairing the old one with second-rate parts now available. 

   Similarly, the old Electrolux motor. Apparently there are no motors to b=
e had, so I bought a new one vacuum cleaner, another Electrolux. Shop owner=
 was son of the shop founder. He advised to not expect 45 years of service =
from the new one.  Some might say that sucks.

Bob

[email-masked]> > wrote:

Hello folks,

I have had a few MGs including my first car ever - a brand new MG TD.   I f=
ind that Lucas bits are used on may cars inducing on my current 'in progres=
s' chariot.    I am not sure 'new' things these days are as  good as 'old' =
ones  When I took in our clothes washer in to be fixed I asked the shop if =
I should buy a new one from them or recondition the old one.  The bloke too=
k me into the back repair area and said 'Look'.  It was filed with new mach=
ines and no old ones.  He said my 30 year old reconditioned washer would la=
st another 30 years but a new one would expire pretty soon after its 2 year=
 warranty.  Remembering that our  'top of the line' German dish washer has =
had two service calls in its two years I went with reconditioning.   A loca=
l bod, who does nothing else but starters, alternators, generators, dissemb=
led my sick starter and generator in front of me and pointed out the parts =
that needed replacement. On picking the units up a few days latter I was fa=
ced with a total bill of C$150.    So I will always go with bods that do 'r=
efurbishing' provided they are a well established shop.   Using 'on line' o=
utfits is a lottery call but there some good guys out there.

Cheers
Barrie

  wrote:

They did a good job.

Cheers,

Hans 

a.com> 

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 

Nothing helped so far.

Nice winter job.

Namens Dan DiBiase

Dan D

 

Thx, 

Dan D

'76B-  Getting There

'65B - Waiting It's Turn

Central NJ USA

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vlink=3Dpurple style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><div =
class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Nice story Bob. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I still have my 1967 bike, which I =
used to go to high school these days. Fixed the ball head bearing with =
parts from a bike museum in January this year! In winter time the crank =
bearing needs repair the same way=E2=80=A6<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I also am busy with a total =
overhaul of my 1989 race bike. Problem with that are the Japanese parts, =
which are NLA for over 20 years now. Good news is all bearings are o.k. =
=E2=80=93 new grease and the bike is ready for another =
decade.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Chain rings are replaced with a new =
type.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hans<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Back to the starter this afternoon. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><di=
v style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>Van:</b> Mgs =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>Namens </b>Robert's New =
iPad<br><b>Verzonden:</b> zondag 15 november 2020 23:48<br><b>Aan:</b> =
Barrie Robinson &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>CC:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was =
Siphoning Gas<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Hi =
Barrie,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp; &nbsp;You =
are spot-on about new washing machines. &nbsp;My sister has had three =
expensive washers in ten years, each beyond economical repair when it =
failed. By contrast, my Maytag is now more than 30 years old. &nbsp;They =
once advertised that the loneliest man in town was the Maytag repair =
man. Not any longer....<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp; &nbsp;Two or three years ago I took my erratic =
alternator to a shop that many in the CT MG Club regard highly. =
&nbsp;With sadness, the proprietor recommended a new unit that he said =
was not great, but that its cost would be less than his repairing the =
old one with second-rate parts now =
available.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp; =
&nbsp;Similarly, the old Electrolux motor. Apparently there are no =
motors to be had, so I bought a new one vacuum cleaner, another =
Electrolux. Shop owner was son of the shop founder. He advised to not =
expect 45 years of service from the new one. &nbsp;Some might say that =
sucks.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Bob<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Nov 15, 2020, at 2:33 PM, Barrie =
Robinson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Hello =
folks,<br><br>I have had a few MGs including my first car ever - a brand =
new MG TD.&nbsp;&nbsp; I find that Lucas bits are used on may cars =
inducing on my current 'in progress' chariot.&nbsp; &nbsp; I am not sure =
'new' things these days are as&nbsp; good as 'old' ones&nbsp; When I =
took in our clothes washer in to be fixed I asked the shop if I should =
buy a new one from them or recondition the old one.&nbsp; The bloke took =
me into the back repair area and said 'Look'.&nbsp; It was filed with =
new machines and no old ones.&nbsp; He said my 30 year old reconditioned =
washer would last another 30 years but a new one would expire pretty =
soon after its 2 year warranty.&nbsp; Remembering that our&nbsp; 'top of =
the line' German dish washer has had two service calls in its two years =
I went with reconditioning.&nbsp;&nbsp; A local bod, who does nothing =
else but starters, alternators, generators, dissembled my sick starter =
and generator in front of me and pointed out the parts that needed =
replacement. On picking the units up a few days latter I was faced with =
a total bill of C$150.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; So I will always go with bods =
that do 'refurbishing' provided they are a well established =
shop.&nbsp;&nbsp; Using 'on line' outfits is a lottery call but there =
some good guys out there.<br><br>Now back to the program =
!<br><br>Cheers<br>Barrie</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On 11/15/2020 8:47 AM, <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I measured the voltage on the posts =
while cranking =3D 10,5 volts. It is on a digital meter, so I wonder if =
that=E2=80=99s a good value.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The same value is measured on the =
starter ingoing post.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>So no tension loss on =
the electrical circuits.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><br>Now there is a =
discussion:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Repair the starter or buy a new =
one.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>High torque starter =3D =E2=82=AC =
325,00, which is pricy</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Original starter on =
exchange base =3D =E2=82=AC 200,00</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>New starter Powerlite =3D =E2=82=AC =
239,00</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>New starter looking like a Lucas =
(white labelled) =3D =E2=82=AC 135,00</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><a =
href=3D"https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/=
starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/">https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-=
categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/</a> =
</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><a =
href=3D"https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024">http=
s://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024</a> =
</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>There is a local electrical car =
parts repair shop, where the alternator has been repaired +/- 10 years =
ago.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>They did a good =
job.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I assume they can fix the starter =
as well, but what is better =E2=80=93 a new one (Angloparts =3D =
=E2=82=AC 152 or =E2=82=AC 135,00 at octagonparts) or have the original =
repaired=E2=80=A6</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hans </span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><di=
v style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>Van:</b> PaulHunt73 <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]=
&gt;</a> <br><b>Verzonden:</b> dinsdag 10 november 2020 =
11:41<br><b>Aan:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><b>CC:=
</b> 'mglist' <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a>; =
'MGB-Yahoo' <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a>=
<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning =
Gas<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Yes,&nbsp;measure the =
voltage&nbsp;right on the battery posts (adding the two voltages =
together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking, then compare that with the =
voltage at the battery cable stud on the solenoid&nbsp;and starter body =
when cranking.&nbsp; The difference between the two is what is being =
lost in the connections, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't be much =
more than that.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>If you get much less =
than 10v at the battery posts then&nbsp;that&nbsp;is the =
problem.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>PaulH.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:=
5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>----- Original =
Message ----- </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:#E4E4E4'><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-=
fareast-language:EN-US'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Next job is the slow starter motor. =
</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I already cleaned the battery posts =
clamps and the post of the battery to chassis =
cable.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis =
to engine cable. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Nothing helped so =
far.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>So next will be verifying the =
battery voltage when cranking. I assume it will be o.k. as the battery =
is new.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Following step will be measuring =
the voltage over the starter motor +12V to the =
engine.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>When o.k., the starter is suspect. =
As it never was overhauled, this is logical.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Nice winter =
job.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>Van:</b> Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt; <b>Namens </b>Dan DiBiase<br><b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 22 oktober =
2020 22:26<br><b>Aan:</b> Richard Lindsay &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&g=
t;<br><b>CC:</b> mglist &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; MGB-Yahoo =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>=
<b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>OMG, =
duh! Thanks to all that replied with this excellent (and obvious, now!) =
advice..............................<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Dan D<br clear=3Dall><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p =
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target=3D"_blank">http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p></di=
v></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&g=
t; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I had the same problem. I disconnected =
the fuel hose, added a a long bit of hose and with the coil =
disconnected, used the fuel pump to pump old fuel into =
jugs.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan DiBiase &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Hi all.... My '76B, which&nbsp;was off =
the road for 5 years, was recently returned to me from the shop. They =
added some new gas but did not siphon out the 5 year old gas (which was =
just under 1/2 tank when I had it towed in. The car is running pretty =
rough so I want to siphon out most of the gas before I fill it up. It is =
currently showing as just under 1/2 tank, so around 6 gallons or a =
little less (assuming gauge accuracy).&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
was able to pump out about 2 gallons but am wondering if the interior of =
the tank is baffled, as I can't seem to move the hose beyond a certain =
area and it's not sucking up any additional gas. Would really like to =
remove a couple more gallons before I fill it =
up.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Thx,&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Dan D<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>'76B-&nbsp; Getting There<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>'65B - Waiting It's Turn<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Central NJ USA<br =
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My vote is to have your local shop do the rebuild. Turn the commutator on
the lathe and replace the brushes.

> I measured the voltage on the posts while cranking =3D 10,5 volts. It is =
on
> There is a local electrical car parts repair shop, where the alternator
 new one
> (Angloparts =3D =E2=82=AC 152 or =E2=82=AC 135,00 at octagonparts) or hav=
e the original
> repaired=E2=80=A6
> voltages together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking, then compare that
> with the voltage at the battery cable stud on the solenoid and starter bo=
dy
> when cranking.  The difference between the two is what is being lost in t=
he
> connections, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't be much more than th=
at.
> I already cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of the battery to
> chassis cable.
>
> So next will be verifying the battery voltage when cranking. I assume it
> Following step will be measuring the voltage over the starter motor +12V
> to the engine.
>
> When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it never was overhauled, this is
> logical.
>
> Nice winter job.
>
>
>
> OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied with this excellent (and obvious,
m>
> wrote:
>
> I had the same problem. I disconnected the fuel hose, added a a long bit
> of hose and with the coil disconnected, used the fuel pump to pump old fu=
el
> into jugs.
> Hi all.... My '76B, which was off the road for 5 years, was recently
> returned to me from the shop. They added some new gas but did not siphon
> out the 5 year old gas (which was just under 1/2 tank when I had it towed
> in. The car is running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most of the g=
as
> before I fill it up. It is currently showing as just under 1/2 tank, so
> around 6 gallons or a little less (assuming gauge accuracy).
>
>
>
f
> the tank is baffled, as I can't seem to move the hose beyond a certain ar=
ea
> and it's not sucking up any additional gas. Would really like to remove a
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<div dir=3D"auto">My vote is to have your local shop do the rebuild. Turn t=
he commutator on the lathe and replace the brushes.</div><br><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Nov 15, 2020, 7:=
48 AM  &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</=
a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 =
0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor=3D"white=
" lang=3D"NL" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"=
><div class=3D"m_-633492779099770990WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s=
pan><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-=
GB">I measured the voltage on the posts while cranking =3D 10,5 volts. It i=
s on a digital meter, so I wonder if that=E2=80=99s a good value.<u></u><u>=
</u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">The same value i=
s measured on the starter ingoing post.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">So no tension loss on the electrical circu=
its.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><b=
r>Now there is a discussion:<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Repair the starter or buy a new one.<u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">High torque starter =3D=
 =E2=82=AC 325,00, which is pricy<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Original starter on exchange base =3D =E2=82=AC =
200,00<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">=
New starter Powerlite =3D =E2=82=AC 239,00<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">New starter looking like a Lucas (white=
 labelled) =3D =E2=82=AC 135,00<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><a href=3D"https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-cat=
egorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/" target=3D"_b=
lank" rel=3D"noreferrer">https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/=
electrical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/</a> <u></u><u></u></span=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><a href=3D"https://www.ang=
loparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nore=
ferrer">https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024</a> <u>=
</u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">There i=
s a local electrical car parts repair shop, where the alternator has been r=
epaired +/- 10 years ago.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-GB">They did a good job.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">I assume they can fix the starter as well,=
 but what is better =E2=80=93 a new one (Angloparts =3D =E2=82=AC 152 or =
=E2=82=AC 135,00 at octagonparts) or have the original repaired=E2=80=A6<u>=
</u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Cheers,=
<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Hans <=
u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1=
e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>Van:</b> Pa=
ulHunt73 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank=
" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <br><b>Verzonden:</=
b> dinsdag 10 november 2020 11:41<br><b>Aan:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:h.duinho=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</=
a><br><b>CC:</b> &#39;mglist&#39; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
 target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; &#39;MGB-=
Yahoo&#39; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: =
[Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">Yes,=C2=A0measure the voltage=C2=A0right on =
the battery posts (adding the two voltages together if twin 6v batteries) w=
hen cranking, then compare that with the voltage at the battery cable stud =
on the solenoid=C2=A0and starter body when cranking.=C2=A0 The difference b=
etween the two is what is being lost in the connections, a volt or so is no=
rmal but it shouldn&#39;t be much more than that.</span><u></u><u></u></p><=
/div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">If you get much less than =
10v at the battery posts then=C2=A0that=C2=A0is the problem.</span><u></u><=
u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">PaulH.</span><u=
></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><=
/div></div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;p=
adding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0=
cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">----- Original Message -=
---- <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"ba=
ckground:#e4e4e4"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-famil=
y:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Next job is the slow starter motor. <=
u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">I alrea=
dy cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of the battery to chassis =
cable.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">=
Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis to engine cable. <u></u><u></u></span><=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Nothing helped so far.<u></u=
><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">So next will=
 be verifying the battery voltage when cranking. I assume it will be o.k. a=
s the battery is new.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
lang=3D"EN-GB">Following step will be measuring the voltage over the starte=
r motor +12V to the engine.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span lang=3D"EN-GB">When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it never was ove=
rhauled, this is logical.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-GB">Nice winter job.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div style=3D"b=
order:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><b>Van:</b> Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
am.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt; <b>Namens </b>Dan DiBiase<br><b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 22 oktober 20=
20 22:26<br><b>Aan:</b> Richard Lindsay &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:richardolinds=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]=
m</a>&gt;<br><b>CC:</b> mglist &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" ta=
rget=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; MGB-Yahoo &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"norefe=
rrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Siphoni=
ng Gas<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied with thi=
s excellent (and obvious, now!) advice..............................<u></u>=
<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal">Dan D<br clear=3D"all"><u></u><u></u></p><div><div><d=
iv><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/" targ=
et=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a><u></u=
><u></u></p></div></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferre=
r">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockqu=
ote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0c=
m 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I had the same problem. I disconnected th=
e fuel hose, added a a long bit of hose and with the coil disconnected, use=
d the fuel pump to pump old fuel into jugs.<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On =
Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan DiBiase &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dan.dibiase@gm=
ail.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left=
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:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi=
 all.... My &#39;76B, which=C2=A0was off the road for 5 years, was recently=
 returned to me from the shop. They added some new gas but did not siphon o=
ut the 5 year old gas (which was just under 1/2 tank when I had it towed in=
. The car is running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most of the gas b=
efore I fill it up. It is currently showing as just under 1/2 tank, so arou=
nd 6 gallons or a little less (assuming gauge accuracy).=C2=A0<u></u><u></u=
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s=3D"MsoNormal">I was able to pump out about 2 gallons but am wondering if =
the interior of the tank is baffled, as I can&#39;t seem to move the hose b=
eyond a certain area and it&#39;s not sucking up any additional gas. Would =
really like to remove a couple more gallons before I fill it up.<u></u><u><=
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I have tested the starter outside of the car. Bendix works well, but motor =
runs poorly with lots of sparking over the brushes. 

So I took your advice and it is now at the local repair shop. They=E2=80=99=
ll disassemble it first, in order to see it is feasible to do a repair, or =
a new starter is better.

Cheers,

Hans

Van: Mgs <[email-masked]> Namens Richard Lindsay
Verzonden: zondag 15 november 2020 14:57
Aan: Hans Duinhoven <[email-masked]>
CC: mglist <[email-masked]>; MGB-Yahoo <[email-masked]>
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas

My vote is to have your local shop do the rebuild. Turn the commutator on t=
he lathe and replace the brushes.

anet.nl> > wrote:

They did a good job.

Cheers,

Hans 

com> > 

PaulH.

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Nothing helped so far.

Nice winter job.

Namens Dan DiBiase

Dan D

 

Thx, 

Dan D

'76B-  Getting There

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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I have tested the starter outside =
of the car. Bendix works well, but motor runs poorly with lots of =
sparking over the brushes. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>So I took your advice and it is now =
at the local repair shop. They=E2=80=99ll disassemble it first, in order =
to see it is feasible to do a repair, or a new starter is =
better.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hans<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>Van:</b> Mgs =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>Namens </b>Richard =
Lindsay<br><b>Verzonden:</b> zondag 15 november 2020 =
14:57<br><b>Aan:</b> Hans Duinhoven =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>CC:</b> mglist =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;; MGB-Yahoo =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Slow =
cranking, was Siphoning Gas<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>My vote =
is to have your local shop do the rebuild. Turn the commutator on the =
lathe and replace the brushes.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Sun, Nov 15, 2020, 7:48 AM &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>I measured the voltage on the posts while cranking =3D 10,5 =
volts. It is on a digital meter, so I wonder if that=E2=80=99s a good =
value.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>The same value is measured on the starter ingoing =
post.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>So no tension loss on the electrical =
circuits.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><br>Now there is a discussion:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Repair the starter or buy a new =
one.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>High torque starter =3D =E2=82=AC 325,00, which is =
pricy</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Original starter on exchange base =3D =E2=82=AC =
200,00</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>New starter Powerlite =3D =E2=82=AC =
239,00</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>New starter looking like a Lucas (white labelled) =3D =
=E2=82=AC 135,00</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><a =
href=3D"https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/=
starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/" =
target=3D"_blank">https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/elect=
rical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/</a> =
</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><a =
href=3D"https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024" =
target=3D"_blank">https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082=
.024</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>There is a local electrical car parts repair shop, where =
the alternator has been repaired +/- 10 years =
ago.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>They did a good job.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>I assume they can fix the starter as well, but what is =
better =E2=80=93 a new one (Angloparts =3D =E2=82=AC 152 or =E2=82=AC =
135,00 at octagonparts) or have the original =
repaired=E2=80=A6</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Hans </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>Van:</b> =
PaulHunt73 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
<br><b>Verzonden:</b> dinsdag 10 november 2020 11:41<br><b>Aan:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><br><b>CC:</b> 'mglist' =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; 'MGB-Yahoo' &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> =
Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Yes,&nbsp;measure the voltage&nbsp;right on =
the battery posts (adding the two voltages together if twin 6v =
batteries) when cranking, then compare that with the voltage at the =
battery cable stud on the solenoid&nbsp;and starter body when =
cranking.&nbsp; The difference between the two is what is being lost in =
the connections, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't be much more =
than that.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>If you get much less than 10v at the battery =
posts then&nbsp;that&nbsp;is the =
problem.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>PaulH.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid =
black 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:=
5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>----- Original =
Message ----- </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:#E=
4E4E4'><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Next job is the slow starter motor. =
</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>I already cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of =
the battery to chassis cable.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis to engine cable. =
</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Nothing helped so far.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>So next will be verifying the battery voltage when =
cranking. I assume it will be o.k. as the battery is =
new.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Following step will be measuring the voltage over the =
starter motor +12V to the engine.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it never was =
overhauled, this is logical.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Nice winter job.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>Van:</b> =
Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>Namens </b>Dan =
DiBiase<br><b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 22 oktober 2020 =
22:26<br><b>Aan:</b> Richard Lindsay &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>CC:</b> mglist =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; MGB-Yahoo &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> =
Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>OMG, duh! =
Thanks to all that replied with this excellent (and obvious, now!) =
advice..............................<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Dan D<br =
clear=3Dall><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a =
href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/" =
target=3D"_blank">http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p></di=
v></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Thu, Oct =
22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I had the =
same problem. I disconnected the fuel hose, added a a long bit of hose =
and with the coil disconnected, used the fuel pump to pump old fuel into =
jugs.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Thu, Oct =
22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan DiBiase &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hi all.... =
My '76B, which&nbsp;was off the road for 5 years, was recently returned =
to me from the shop. They added some new gas but did not siphon out the =
5 year old gas (which was just under 1/2 tank when I had it towed in. =
The car is running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most of the gas =
before I fill it up. It is currently showing as just under 1/2 tank, so =
around 6 gallons or a little less (assuming gauge =
accuracy).&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I was able =
to pump out about 2 gallons but am wondering if the interior of the tank =
is baffled, as I can't seem to move the hose beyond a certain area and =
it's not sucking up any additional gas. Would really like to remove a =
couple more gallons before I fill it up.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Thx,&nbsp;<o=
:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Dan =
D<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>'76B-&nbsp; =
Getting There<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>'65B - =
Waiting It's Turn<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Central NJ =
USA<br clear=3Dall><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a =
href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/" =
target=3D"_blank">http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p></di=
v></div></div></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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