Subject: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas - Final

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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2020 14:10:19 +0100

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Here=E2=80=99s the latest update.

A local workshop has overhauled the starter. 

New brushes, commutator flattened on a lathe etc. new bearings and Bendix.

Placed the starter back in the GT and it runs as new =E2=80=93 starts well =
again!

A nice tour in the late November sun was the reward.

As salt has been sprayed over the roads after the first freezing nights, th=
e GT remains inside till spring.

Battery on the tender=E2=80=A6

Time for the other classics (3 Puch mopeds from the early seventies).

Thank you for all good advices. 

Cheers,

Hans

71 BGT

Van: Mgs <[email-masked]> Namens [email-masked]
Verzonden: donderdag 19 november 2020 20:12
Aan: 'Richard Lindsay' <[email-masked]>
CC: 'mglist' <[email-masked]>
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas

I have tested the starter outside of the car. Bendix works well, but motor =
runs poorly with lots of sparking over the brushes. 

So I took your advice and it is now at the local repair shop. They=E2=80=99=
ll disassemble it first, in order to see it is feasible to do a repair, or =
a new starter is better.

Cheers,

Hans

Namens Richard Lindsay
Verzonden: zondag 15 november 2020 14:57

Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas

My vote is to have your local shop do the rebuild. Turn the commutator on t=
he lathe and replace the brushes.

anet.nl> > wrote:

I measured the voltage on the posts while cranking =3D 10,5 volts. It is on=
 a digital meter, so I wonder if that=E2=80=99s a good value.

The same value is measured on the starter ingoing post.

So no tension loss on the electrical circuits.

Now there is a discussion:

Repair the starter or buy a new one.

High torque starter =3D =E2=82=AC 325,00, which is pricy

Original starter on exchange base =3D =E2=82=AC 200,00

New starter Powerlite =3D =E2=82=AC 239,00

New starter looking like a Lucas (white labelled) =3D =E2=82=AC 135,00

https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-s=
ystem-mgb-electrical-mgb/ 

https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024 

There is a local electrical car parts repair shop, where the alternator has=
 been repaired +/- 10 years ago.

They did a good job.

I assume they can fix the starter as well, but what is better =E2=80=93 a n=
ew one (Angloparts =3D =E2=82=AC 152 or =E2=82=AC 135,00 at octagonparts) o=
r have the original repaired=E2=80=A6

Cheers,

Hans 

com> > 
Verzonden: dinsdag 10 november 2020 11:41
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas

Yes, measure the voltage right on the battery posts (adding the two voltage=
s together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking, then compare that with the =
voltage at the battery cable stud on the solenoid and starter body when cra=
nking.  The difference between the two is what is being lost in the connect=
ions, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't be much more than that.

If you get much less than 10v at the battery posts then that is the problem=
=2E

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 

Next job is the slow starter motor. 

I already cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of the battery to c=
hassis cable.

Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis to engine cable. 

Nothing helped so far.

So next will be verifying the battery voltage when cranking. I assume it wi=
ll be o.k. as the battery is new.

Following step will be measuring the voltage over the starter motor +12V to=
 the engine.

When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it never was overhauled, this is logi=
cal.

Nice winter job.

Namens Dan DiBiase
Verzonden: donderdag 22 oktober 2020 22:26
il.com> >
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas

OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied with this excellent (and obvious, now!=
) advice..............................

Dan D

http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay <[email-masked] =

I had the same problem. I disconnected the fuel hose, added a a long bit of=
 hose and with the coil disconnected, used the fuel pump to pump old fuel i=
nto jugs.

[email-masked]> > wrote:

Hi all.... My '76B, which was off the road for 5 years, was recently return=
ed to me from the shop. They added some new gas but did not siphon out the =
5 year old gas (which was just under 1/2 tank when I had it towed in. The c=
ar is running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most of the gas before I=
 fill it up. It is currently showing as just under 1/2 tank, so around 6 ga=
llons or a little less (assuming gauge accuracy). 

I was able to pump out about 2 gallons but am wondering if the interior of =
the tank is baffled, as I can't seem to move the hose beyond a certain area=
 and it's not sucking up any additional gas. Would really like to remove a =
couple more gallons before I fill it up.

Thx, 

Dan D

'76B-  Getting There

'65B - Waiting It's Turn

Central NJ USA

http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/

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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Here=E2=80=99s the latest =
update.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>A local workshop has overhauled the =
starter. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>New brushes, commutator flattened =
on a lathe etc. new bearings and Bendix.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Placed the starter back in the GT =
and it runs as new =E2=80=93 starts well again!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>A nice tour in the late November =
sun was the reward.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>As salt has been =
sprayed over the roads after the first freezing nights, the GT remains =
inside till spring.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Battery on the =
tender=E2=80=A6<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Time for the other classics (3 Puch =
mopeds from the early seventies).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Thank you for all good advices. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hans<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>71 BGT<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><di=
v style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>Van:</b> Mgs =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>Namens =
</b>[email-masked]<br><b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 19 november =
2020 20:12<br><b>Aan:</b> 'Richard Lindsay' =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>CC:</b> 'mglist' =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, =
was Siphoning Gas<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I have tested the =
starter outside of the car. Bendix works well, but motor runs poorly =
with lots of sparking over the brushes. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>So I took your advice and it is now =
at the local repair shop. They=E2=80=99ll disassemble it first, in order =
to see it is feasible to do a repair, or a new starter is =
better.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hans<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>Van:</b> Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt; <b>Namens </b>Richard Lindsay<br><b>Verzonden:</b> zondag 15 =
november 2020 14:57<br><b>Aan:</b> Hans Duinhoven &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b=
>CC:</b> mglist &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; MGB-Yahoo =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>=
<b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning =
Gas<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>My vote =
is to have your local shop do the rebuild. Turn the commutator on the =
lathe and replace the brushes.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Sun, Nov 15, 2020, 7:48 AM &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>I measured the voltage on the posts while cranking =3D 10,5 =
volts. It is on a digital meter, so I wonder if that=E2=80=99s a good =
value.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>The same value is measured on the starter ingoing =
post.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>So no tension loss on the electrical =
circuits.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><br>Now there is a discussion:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Repair the starter or buy a new =
one.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>High torque starter =3D =E2=82=AC 325,00, which is =
pricy</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Original starter on exchange base =3D =E2=82=AC =
200,00</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>New starter Powerlite =3D =E2=82=AC =
239,00</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>New starter looking like a Lucas (white labelled) =3D =
=E2=82=AC 135,00</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><a =
href=3D"https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/=
starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/" =
target=3D"_blank">https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/elect=
rical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/</a> =
</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><a =
href=3D"https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024" =
target=3D"_blank">https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082=
.024</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>There is a local electrical car parts repair shop, where =
the alternator has been repaired +/- 10 years =
ago.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>They did a good job.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>I assume they can fix the starter as well, but what is =
better =E2=80=93 a new one (Angloparts =3D =E2=82=AC 152 or =E2=82=AC =
135,00 at octagonparts) or have the original =
repaired=E2=80=A6</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Hans </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>Van:</b> =
PaulHunt73 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
<br><b>Verzonden:</b> dinsdag 10 november 2020 11:41<br><b>Aan:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><br><b>CC:</b> 'mglist' =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; 'MGB-Yahoo' &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> =
Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Yes,&nbsp;measure the voltage&nbsp;right on =
the battery posts (adding the two voltages together if twin 6v =
batteries) when cranking, then compare that with the voltage at the =
battery cable stud on the solenoid&nbsp;and starter body when =
cranking.&nbsp; The difference between the two is what is being lost in =
the connections, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't be much more =
than that.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>If you get much less than 10v at the battery =
posts then&nbsp;that&nbsp;is the =
problem.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>PaulH.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid =
black 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:=
5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>----- Original =
Message ----- </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:#E=
4E4E4'><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Next job is the slow starter motor. =
</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>I already cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of =
the battery to chassis cable.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis to engine cable. =
</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Nothing helped so far.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>So next will be verifying the battery voltage when =
cranking. I assume it will be o.k. as the battery is =
new.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Following step will be measuring the voltage over the =
starter motor +12V to the engine.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it never was =
overhauled, this is logical.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Nice winter job.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>Van:</b> =
Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>Namens </b>Dan =
DiBiase<br><b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 22 oktober 2020 =
22:26<br><b>Aan:</b> Richard Lindsay &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>CC:</b> mglist =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; MGB-Yahoo &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> =
Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>OMG, duh! =
Thanks to all that replied with this excellent (and obvious, now!) =
advice..............................<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Dan D<br =
clear=3Dall><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a =
href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/" =
target=3D"_blank">http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p></di=
v></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Thu, Oct =
22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I had the =
same problem. I disconnected the fuel hose, added a a long bit of hose =
and with the coil disconnected, used the fuel pump to pump old fuel into =
jugs.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Thu, Oct =
22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan DiBiase &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hi all.... =
My '76B, which&nbsp;was off the road for 5 years, was recently returned =
to me from the shop. They added some new gas but did not siphon out the =
5 year old gas (which was just under 1/2 tank when I had it towed in. =
The car is running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most of the gas =
before I fill it up. It is currently showing as just under 1/2 tank, so =
around 6 gallons or a little less (assuming gauge =
accuracy).&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I was able =
to pump out about 2 gallons but am wondering if the interior of the tank =
is baffled, as I can't seem to move the hose beyond a certain area and =
it's not sucking up any additional gas. Would really like to remove a =
couple more gallons before I fill it up.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Thx,&nbsp;<o=
:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Dan =
D<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>'76B-&nbsp; =
Getting There<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>'65B - =
Waiting It's Turn<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Central NJ =
USA<br clear=3Dall><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a =
href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/" =
target=3D"_blank">http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p></di=
v></div></div></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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