Subject: Re: [Mgs] New MGB

From: Dan DiBiase <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 14:15:33 -0400

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Yikes, 3 kW charging rate.......

Dan D
'76B, '65B
Central NJ USA
http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/

On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 2:06 PM <[email-masked]> wrote:

> In the local press was an announcement, that there will be a new built MG=
B
> again.
>
> Fully electric. Comes with a =E2=82=AC 90,000 pricetag, where one could b=
uy 8
> normal MGB=E2=80=99s.
>
>
>
>
> https://www.nu.nl/auto/6083327/naast-elektrische-suv-nu-ook-de-oorspronke=
lijke-mgb-elektrisch-gemaakt.html
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Hans
>
>
>
> =E2=80=9971 BGT =E2=80=93 repaired the fuel pump today with new points.
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Yikes, 3 kW charging rate.......<div><br></div><div>Dan D<=
/div><div>&#39;76B, &#39;65B</div><div>Central NJ USA<br clear=3D"all"><div=
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div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On=
 Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 2:06 PM &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
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rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"=
EN-GB">In the local press was an announcement, that there will be a new bui=
lt MGB again.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"=
EN-GB">Fully electric. Comes with a =E2=82=AC 90,000 pricetag, where one co=
uld buy 8 normal MGB=E2=80=99s.</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u><u></u></=
span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://www.nu.nl/au=
to/6083327/naast-elektrische-suv-nu-ook-de-oorspronkelijke-mgb-elektrisch-g=
emaakt.html" target=3D"_blank">https://www.nu.nl/auto/6083327/naast-elektri=
sche-suv-nu-ook-de-oorspronkelijke-mgb-elektrisch-gemaakt.html</a> <u></u><=
u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal">Cheers,<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hans<u></u><u></u></p>=
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 lang=3D"EN-GB">=E2=80=9971 BGT =E2=80=93 repaired the fuel pump today with=
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From: David Breneman <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 18:28:50 +0000 (UTC)

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Interesting!=C2=A0 It almost certainly will not be allowed into the US unle=
ss it's built on a vintage body tub, and is therefore a modified "classic" =
car.

David Breneman [email-masked]=20

    On Thursday, October 15, 2020, 11:06:47 AM PDT, <[email-masked]>=
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In the local press was an announcement, that there will be a new built MGB =
again.

Fully electric. Comes with a =E2=82=AC 90,000 pricetag, where one could buy=
 8 normal MGB=E2=80=99s.

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Hans

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From: Max Heim <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 12:01:26 -0700

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I saw this announcement on the MGOC page. What struck me was that it =
seems to be a case of life imitating art.

I don=E2=80=99t know if any of you ever heard of a book called =
=E2=80=9CZEV-1=E2=80=9D. It was self-published by an author here in =
northern California, back in the 1990s. He used to sell it at British =
car meets, which is where I acquired a copy.

The premise of this book is that an inventor/entrepreneur starts a =
company to build battery electric cars using his proprietary battery =
technology. And he chooses the MGB as his first model. So the story is =
about the struggle to build an electric MGB, fighting industry forces, =
regulators, and unscrupulous rivals.

This announcement really makes me wonder if these people read this book =
20 years ago, or stumbled upon it more recently.

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Max Heim
[email-masked]

> On Oct 15, 2020, at 11:28 AM, David Breneman =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Interesting!  It almost certainly will not be allowed into the US =
unless it's built on a vintage body tub, and is therefore a modified =
"classic" car.
> On Thursday, October 15, 2020, 11:06:47 AM PDT, =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
>=20
> In the local press was an announcement, that there will be a new built =
MGB again.
>=20
> Fully electric. Comes with a =E2=82=AC 90,000 pricetag, where one =
could buy 8 normal MGB=E2=80=99s.
> =
https://www.nu.nl/auto/6083327/naast-elektrische-suv-nu-ook-de-oorspronkel=
ijke-mgb-elektrisch-gemaakt.html =
<https://www.nu.nl/auto/6083327/naast-elektrische-suv-nu-ook-de-oorspronke=
lijke-mgb-elektrisch-gemaakt.html>
> =20
> Cheers,
>=20
> Hans
>=20
> =20
> =E2=80=9971 BGT =E2=80=93 repaired the fuel pump today with new =
points.

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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">I =
saw this announcement on the MGOC page. What struck me was that it seems =
to be a case of life imitating art.<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I don=E2=80=99t know if any of you ever =
heard of a book called =E2=80=9CZEV-1=E2=80=9D. It was self-published by =
an author here in northern California, back in the 1990s. He used to =
sell it at British car meets, which is where I acquired a =
copy.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">The =
premise of this book is that an inventor/entrepreneur starts a company =
to build battery electric cars using his proprietary battery technology. =
And he chooses the MGB as his first model. So the story is about the =
struggle to build an electric MGB, fighting industry forces, regulators, =
and unscrupulous rivals.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">This announcement really makes me wonder if these people read =
this book 20 years ago, or stumbled upon it more recently.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">
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<div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Oct 15, 2020, at 11:28 AM, David Breneman &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"ydpd857caeyahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family: verdana, =
helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
data-setdir=3D"false" class=3D"">Interesting!&nbsp; It almost certainly =
will not be allowed into the US unless it's built on a vintage body tub, =
and is therefore a modified "classic" car.<br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"ydpd857caesignature">David =
Breneman         <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a></div></div>
        <div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div>
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                    On Thursday, October 15, 2020, 11:06:47 AM PDT,  =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:
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                <div class=3D""><div id=3D"ydp7ac3440yiv7586460495" =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"ydp7ac3440yiv7586460495WordSection1"><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"border-color: rgb(225, 225, 225) currentcolor currentcolor; =
border-style: solid none none; border-width: 1pt medium medium; padding: =
3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=3D""><p =
class=3D"ydp7ac3440yiv7586460495MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
class=3D"">In the local press was an announcement, that there will be a =
new built MGB again.</span></p><p =
class=3D"ydp7ac3440yiv7586460495MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
class=3D"">Fully electric. Comes with a =E2=82=AC 90,000 pricetag, where =
one could buy 8 normal MGB=E2=80=99s.</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
class=3D""></span></p></div></div><div class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
class=3D""> &nbsp;</span><br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p =
class=3D"ydp7ac3440yiv7586460495MsoNormal"><a =
href=3D"https://www.nu.nl/auto/6083327/naast-elektrische-suv-nu-ook-de-oor=
spronkelijke-mgb-elektrisch-gemaakt.html" target=3D"_blank" =
rel=3D"noreferrer noopener" =
class=3D"">https://www.nu.nl/auto/6083327/naast-elektrische-suv-nu-ook-de-=
oorspronkelijke-mgb-elektrisch-gemaakt.html</a> </p><div class=3D""> =
&nbsp;<br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p =
class=3D"ydp7ac3440yiv7586460495MsoNormal">Cheers,</p><p =
class=3D"ydp7ac3440yiv7586460495MsoNormal">Hans</p><div class=3D""> =
&nbsp;<br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p =
class=3D"ydp7ac3440yiv7586460495MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
class=3D"">=E2=80=9971 BGT =E2=80=93 repaired the fuel pump today with =
new points.</span></p></div><div =
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It is a bit how Tesla started when their car was a Lotus being electric.

A few months ago I read in the news, that such a Tesla finally had been dep=
reciated in our country to zero, as the battery was not possible to be char=
ged=E2=80=A6

Cheers, Hans

Van: Mgs <[email-masked]> Namens Max Heim
Verzonden: donderdag 15 oktober 2020 21:01
Aan: [email-masked]
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] New MGB

I saw this announcement on the MGOC page. What struck me was that it seems =
to be a case of life imitating art.

I don=E2=80=99t know if any of you ever heard of a book called =E2=80=9CZEV=
-1=E2=80=9D. It was self-published by an author here in northern California=
, back in the 1990s. He used to sell it at British car meets, which is wher=
e I acquired a copy.

The premise of this book is that an inventor/entrepreneur starts a company =
to build battery electric cars using his proprietary battery technology. An=
d he chooses the MGB as his first model. So the story is about the struggle=
 to build an electric MGB, fighting industry forces, regulators, and unscru=
pulous rivals.

This announcement really makes me wonder if these people read this book 20 =
years ago, or stumbled upon it more recently.

--

Max Heim

On Oct 15, 2020, at 11:28 AM, David Breneman <[email-masked] <mai=
lto:[email-masked]> > wrote:

Interesting!  It almost certainly will not be allowed into the US unless it=
's built on a vintage body tub, and is therefore a modified "classic" car.

On Thursday, October 15, 2020, 11:06:47 AM PDT, <[email-masked] <mai=
lto:[email-masked]> > wrote: 

https://www.nu.nl/auto/6083327/naast-elektrische-suv-nu-ook-de-oorspronkeli=
jke-mgb-elektrisch-gemaakt.html 

Cheers,

Hans

 

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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>It is a bit how Tesla started when =
their car was a Lotus being electric.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>A few months ago I read in the =
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zero, as the battery was not possible to be =
charged=E2=80=A6<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Cheers, =
Hans<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><di=
v style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>Van:</b> Mgs =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>Namens </b>Max =
Heim<br><b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 15 oktober 2020 21:01<br><b>Aan:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] New =
MGB<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I saw this =
announcement on the MGOC page. What struck me was that it seems to be a =
case of life imitating art.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
don=E2=80=99t know if any of you ever heard of a book called =
=E2=80=9CZEV-1=E2=80=9D. It was self-published by an author here in =
northern California, back in the 1990s. He used to sell it at British =
car meets, which is where I acquired a copy.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>The premise of this book is that an =
inventor/entrepreneur starts a company to build battery electric cars =
using his proprietary battery technology. And he chooses the MGB as his =
first model. So the story is about the struggle to build an electric =
MGB, fighting industry forces, regulators, and unscrupulous =
rivals.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>This announcement really makes me wonder if these =
people read this book 20 years ago, or stumbled upon it more =
recently.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>--<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Max =
Heim<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><o:p></o:p></p></div=
><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On Oct 15, 2020, at 11:28 AM, David Breneman &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Interesting!&=
nbsp; It almost certainly will not be allowed into the US unless it's =
built on a vintage body tub, and is therefore a modified =
&quot;classic&quot; car.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>David =
Breneman <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><o:p=
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A'>On Thursday, October 15, 2020, 11:06:47 AM PDT, &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>In the local press was an announcement, that there will be a new =
built MGB again.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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A'>Fully electric. Comes with a =E2=82=AC 90,000 pricetag, where one =
could buy 8 normal MGB=E2=80=99s.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
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lang=3DEN-GB =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><a =
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target=3D"_blank">https://www.nu.nl/auto/6083327/naast-elektrische-suv-nu=
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<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
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class=3Dydp7ac3440yiv7586460495msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
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A'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3Dydp7ac3440yiv7586460495msonormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>=E2=80=9971 BGT =E2=80=93 repaired the fuel pump today with new =
points.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
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From: Dan DiBiase <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:07:14 -0400

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That's surprising as there are plenty running around the US still. I'm
actually going to be ordering a Tesla Model Y (the small SUV) at the end of
the year. Can't wait....

Dan D
'76B, '65B
Central NJ USA

On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 3:13 PM <[email-masked]> wrote:

> A few months ago I read in the news, that such a Tesla finally had been
> depreciated in our country to zero, as the battery was not possible to be
> charged=E2=80=A6
>
>
>
> Cheers, Hans
>
>
>
> *Van:* Mgs <[email-masked]> *Namens *Max Heim
> *Verzonden:* donderdag 15 oktober 2020 21:01
> *Aan:* [email-masked]
> *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] New MGB
>
>
>
> I saw this announcement on the MGOC page. What struck me was that it seem=
s
> I don=E2=80=99t know if any of you ever heard of a book called =E2=80=9CZ=
EV-1=E2=80=9D. It was
> self-published by an author here in northern California, back in the 1990=
s.
> He used to sell it at British car meets, which is where I acquired a copy=
.
>
>
>
> The premise of this book is that an inventor/entrepreneur starts a compan=
y
> to build battery electric cars using his proprietary battery technology.
> And he chooses the MGB as his first model. So the story is about the
> struggle to build an electric MGB, fighting industry forces, regulators,
> and unscrupulous rivals.
>
>
>
> This announcement really makes me wonder if these people read this book 2=
0
> On Oct 15, 2020, at 11:28 AM, David Breneman <[email-masked]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Interesting!  It almost certainly will not be allowed into the US unless
> it's built on a vintage body tub, and is therefore a modified "classic" c=
ar.
>
>
>
> David Breneman [email-masked]
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, October 15, 2020, 11:06:47 AM PDT, <[email-masked]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
B
uy 8
> =E2=80=9971 BGT =E2=80=93 repaired the fuel pump today with new points.

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<div dir=3D"ltr">That&#39;s surprising as there are plenty running around t=
he US still. I&#39;m actually going to be ordering a Tesla Model Y (the sma=
ll SUV) at the end of the year. Can&#39;t wait....<div><br></div><div>Dan D=
</div><div>&#39;76B, &#39;65B</div><div>Central NJ USA<br clear=3D"all"><di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signat=
ure"><div dir=3D"ltr"><a href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/" target=
=3D"_blank">http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a></div></div></div><br></div=
></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr"=
>On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 3:13 PM &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
l">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204=
,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"NL" style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word=
;"><div class=3D"gmail-m_-6017480999604369521WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">It is a bit how Tesla started when their car wa=
s a Lotus being electric.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-GB">A few months ago I read in the news, that such a Tesla f=
inally had been depreciated in our country to zero, as the battery was not =
possible to be charged=E2=80=A6<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Cheers, Hans<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div sty=
le=3D"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt =
solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>Van:<=
/b> Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank"=
>[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>Namens </b>Max Heim<br><b>Verzonden:=
</b> donderdag 15 oktober 2020 21:01<br><b>Aan:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:mgs@a=
utox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Onderwerp:</b=
> Re: [Mgs] New MGB<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u>=
</u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I saw this announcement on the =
MGOC page. What struck me was that it seems to be a case of life imitating =
art.<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><=
/div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I don=E2=80=99t know if any of you ever he=
ard of a book called =E2=80=9CZEV-1=E2=80=9D. It was self-published by an a=
uthor here in northern California, back in the 1990s. He used to sell it at=
 British car meets, which is where I acquired a copy.<u></u><u></u></p></di=
v><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">The premise of this book is that an inventor/entrepreneur st=
arts a company to build battery electric cars using his proprietary battery=
 technology. And he chooses the MGB as his first model. So the story is abo=
ut the struggle to build an electric MGB, fighting industry forces, regulat=
ors, and unscrupulous rivals.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">This announ=
cement really makes me wonder if these people read this book 20 years ago, =
or stumbled upon it more recently.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">--<u></=
u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Max Heim<u></u><u></u></p></=
div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0=
<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><blo=
ckquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al">On Oct 15, 2020, at 11:28 AM, David Breneman &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:davi=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wr=
ote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>=
<div><div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10=
pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Interesting!=C2=A0 It almost certainly w=
ill not be allowed into the US unless it&#39;s built on a vintage body tub,=
 and is therefore a modified &quot;classic&quot; car.<u></u><u></u></span><=
/p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fam=
ily:Verdana,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif=
">David Breneman <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bla=
nk">[email-masked]</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,san=
s-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<=
u></u></span></p></div></div><div id=3D"gmail-m_-6017480999604369521ydp7ac3=
440yahoo_quoted_3119468925"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">On Th=
ursday, October 15, 2020, 11:06:47 AM PDT, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:h.duinhove=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote: <u></u>=
<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-siz=
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cal press was an announcement, that there will be a new built MGB again.</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rg=
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Is there any information on how the batteries of these hold up over time, h=
ow much their ability to hold a charge degrades year by year?=C2=A0 And whe=
n they reach the end of life, how much it costs to replace the batteries?

    On Thursday, October 15, 2020, 1:08:06 PM PDT, Dan DiBiase <dan.dibiase=
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e year. Can't wait....
Dan D'76B, '65BCentral NJ USA
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<html><head></head><body><div class="ydp7e330d67yahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Is there any information on how the batteries of these hold up over time, how much their ability to hold a charge degrades year by year?&nbsp; And when they reach the end of life, how much it costs to replace the batteries?</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div><br></div><div class="ydp7e330d67signature">David Breneman         [email-masked]</div></div>
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I don't know too much about the Roadster, focused more on the Model 3/Y.
But there is a lot of discussion on battery replacement here -
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/roadster-needs-new-battery.153975/
   as well as range discussions here -
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/3-0-battery-longevity.86139/

I'd be interested in an electric MGB at the moment, as my
resurrected-after-sitting-5-years-1976-B just died on me a half mile from
home. Just got it back from the shop Saturday and it drove fine the 40
minutes home, plus another 30 minutes after we got home. Was hard to start
today, then my son stalled it and it wouldn't start. Grrrr. I was hoping
not to have to drain the tank (I had about 1/3 tank of old gas sitting in
there, with a few gallons of new high test on top). Guess that will be my
project for the weekend....

Dan D
'76B, '65B
Central NJ USA

On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 4:16 PM David Breneman <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> Is there any information on how the batteries of these hold up over time,
> how much their ability to hold a charge degrades year by year?  And when
> they reach the end of life, how much it costs to replace the batteries?
>
>
> On Thursday, October 15, 2020, 1:08:06 PM PDT, Dan DiBiase <
> [email-masked]> wrote:
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I don&#39;t know too much about the Roadster, focused more=
 on the Model 3/Y. But there is a lot=C2=A0of discussion on battery replace=
ment here -=C2=A0 <a href=3D"https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/roadst=
er-needs-new-battery.153975/">https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/roads=
ter-needs-new-battery.153975/</a>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0as well as range discu=
ssions here -=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/3-0-b=
attery-longevity.86139/">https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/3-0-batter=
y-longevity.86139/</a><div><br></div><div>I&#39;d be interested in an elect=
ric MGB at the moment, as my resurrected-after-sitting-5-years-1976-B just =
died on me a half mile from home. Just got it back from the shop Saturday a=
nd it drove fine the 40 minutes home, plus another 30 minutes after we got =
home. Was hard to start today, then my son stalled it and it wouldn&#39;t s=
tart. Grrrr. I was hoping not to have to drain the tank (I had about 1/3 ta=
nk of old gas sitting in there, with a few gallons of new high test on top)=
. Guess that will be my project for the weekend....</div><div><br></div><di=
v>Dan D</div><div>&#39;76B, &#39;65B</div><div>Central NJ USA<br clear=3D"a=
ll"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail=
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attr">On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 4:16 PM David Breneman &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div>=
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amily:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Is=
 there any information on how the batteries of these hold up over time, how=
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they reach the end of life, how much it costs to replace the batteries?</di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div><br></div><div>David Breneman         <a =
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unning around the US still. I&#39;m actually going to be ordering a Tesla M=
odel Y (the small SUV) at the end of the year. Can&#39;t wait....<div><br c=
lear=3D"none"></div><div>Dan D</div><div>&#39;76B, &#39;65B</div><div>Centr=
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As long as you don=E2=80=99t claim it=E2=80=99s a zero emission vehicle. =
 I think its really na=C3=AFve not to consider that you are just moving =
the source of the emissions.

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I saw an interesting study on the actual emissions of electric vehicles, =
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From: Mgs <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Dan DiBiase
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 3:07 PM
To: Hans Duinhoven <[email-masked]>
Cc: mglist <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] New MGB

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That's surprising as there are plenty running around the US still. I'm =
actually going to be ordering a Tesla Model Y (the small SUV) at the end =
of the year. Can't wait....

=20

Dan D

'76B, '65B

Central NJ USA

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On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 3:13 PM <[email-masked] =

A few months ago I read in the news, that such a Tesla finally had been =
depreciated in our country to zero, as the battery was not possible to =
be charged=E2=80=A6

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Interesting!  It almost certainly will not be allowed into the US unless =
it's built on a vintage body tub, and is therefore a modified "classic" =
car.

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Fully electric. Comes with a =E2=82=AC 90,000 pricetag, where one could =
buy 8 normal MGB=E2=80=99s.

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https://www.nu.nl/auto/6083327/naast-elektrische-suv-nu-ook-de-oorspronke=
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Mgs =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dan =
DiBiase<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 15, 2020 3:07 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
Hans Duinhoven &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> mglist =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mgs] New =
MGB<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>That's =
surprising as there are plenty running around the US still. I'm actually =
going to be ordering a Tesla Model Y (the small SUV) at the end of the =
year. Can't wait....<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
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wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
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6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>It is a bit how Tesla started when their car was a Lotus =
being electric.</span><span lang=3DNL><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>A few months ago I read in the news, that such a Tesla =
finally had been depreciated in our country to zero, as the battery was =
not possible to be charged=E2=80=A6</span><span =
lang=3DNL><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><span lang=3DNL><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Cheers, Hans</span><span lang=3DNL><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><span =
lang=3DNL><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span =
lang=3DNL>Van:</span></b><span lang=3DNL> Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>Namens </b>Max =
Heim<br><b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 15 oktober 2020 21:01<br><b>Aan:</b> =
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] =
New MGB<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DNL>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DNL>I saw this announcement on the MGOC page. What struck me was =
that it seems to be a case of life imitating =
art.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DNL>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DNL>I don=E2=80=99t know if any of you ever heard of a book called =
=E2=80=9CZEV-1=E2=80=9D. It was self-published by an author here in =
northern California, back in the 1990s. He used to sell it at British =
car meets, which is where I acquired a =
copy.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DNL>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DNL>The premise of this book is that an inventor/entrepreneur =
starts a company to build battery electric cars using his proprietary =
battery technology. And he chooses the MGB as his first model. So the =
story is about the struggle to build an electric MGB, fighting industry =
forces, regulators, and unscrupulous =
rivals.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DNL>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DNL>This announcement really makes me wonder if these people read =
this book 20 years ago, or stumbled upon it more =
recently.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DNL>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DNL>--<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DNL>Max Heim<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DNL><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DNL>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DNL>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
lang=3DNL><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DNL>On Oct 15, 2020, at 11:28 AM, David Breneman &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DNL>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DNL =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Interesting!&=
nbsp; It almost certainly will not be allowed into the US unless it's =
built on a vintage body tub, and is therefore a modified =
&quot;classic&quot; car.</span><span =
lang=3DNL><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DNL =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>&nbsp;</span>=
<span lang=3DNL><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DNL =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>David =
Breneman <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a></span><span =
lang=3DNL><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DNL =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>&nbsp;</span>=
<span lang=3DNL><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DNL =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>&nbsp;</span>=
<span lang=3DNL><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div =
id=3D"gmail-m_-6017480999604369521ydp7ac3440yahoo_quoted_3119468925"><div=
><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DNL =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>On Thursday, October 15, 2020, 11:06:47 AM PDT, &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote: </span><span =
lang=3DNL><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DNL =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;</span><span lang=3DNL><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DNL =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;</span><span lang=3DNL><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div =
id=3D"gmail-m_-6017480999604369521ydp7ac3440yiv7586460495"><div><div><div=
><div><p =
class=3Dgmail-m-6017480999604369521ydp7ac3440yiv7586460495msonormal><span=
 lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>In the local press was an announcement, that there will be a new =
built MGB again.</span><span lang=3DNL><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m-6017480999604369521ydp7ac3440yiv7586460495msonormal><span=
 lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Fully electric. Comes with a =E2=82=AC 90,000 pricetag, where one =
could buy 8 normal MGB=E2=80=99s.</span><span =
lang=3DNL><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;</span><span lang=3DNL><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3Dgmail-m-6017480999604369521ydp7ac3440yiv7586460495msonormal><span=
 lang=3DNL =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><a =
href=3D"https://www.nu.nl/auto/6083327/naast-elektrische-suv-nu-ook-de-oo=
rspronkelijke-mgb-elektrisch-gemaakt.html" =
target=3D"_blank">https://www.nu.nl/auto/6083327/naast-elektrische-suv-nu=
-ook-de-oorspronkelijke-mgb-elektrisch-gemaakt.html</a> </span><span =
lang=3DNL><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DNL =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;</span><span lang=3DNL><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3Dgmail-m-6017480999604369521ydp7ac3440yiv7586460495msonormal><span=
 lang=3DNL =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Cheers,</span><span lang=3DNL><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m-6017480999604369521ydp7ac3440yiv7586460495msonormal><span=
 lang=3DNL =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Hans</span><span lang=3DNL><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DNL =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;</span><span lang=3DNL><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3Dgmail-m-6017480999604369521ydp7ac3440yiv7586460495msonormal><span=
 lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>=E2=80=9971 BGT =E2=80=93 repaired the fuel pump today with new =
points.</span><span lang=3DNL><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
id=3D"gmail-m_-6017480999604369521ydp7ac3440yiv7586460495DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40=
BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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A'>&nbsp;</span><span =
lang=3DNL><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div=
></div></blockquote></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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lang=3DNL>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p =
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YUCK.  NO WAY!!!!!

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From: Mgs <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of =
[email-masked]
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 1:06 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [Mgs] New MGB

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Cheers,

Hans

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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>YUCK.=C2=A0 NO =
WAY!!!!!<o:p></o:p></p><p =
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style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Mgs =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>[email-masked]<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 15, 2020 =
1:06 PM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> [Mgs] New =
MGB<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>In the local press was =
an announcement, that there will be a new built MGB =
again.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Fully electric. Comes with a =E2=82=AC 90,000 pricetag, =
where one could buy 8 normal MGB=E2=80=99s.</span><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:NL'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DNL><a =
href=3D"https://www.nu.nl/auto/6083327/naast-elektrische-suv-nu-ook-de-oo=
rspronkelijke-mgb-elektrisch-gemaakt.html">https://www.nu.nl/auto/6083327=
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lang=3DNL><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DNL>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DNL>Hans<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DNL><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>=E2=80=9971 BGT =E2=80=93 repaired the fuel pump today with =
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As science tells: any way energy is converted, there is loss of energy.

So: where does the electricity come from?

Energy plants running on coal, gas, nuclear fuel etc. Except nuclear energy=
, there is CO2 produced.

Wind energy =E2=80=93 but when there is no wind, this does not work

Solar energy =E2=80=93 works well in the sunny areas, but not during the ni=
ght, winter and rainy periods

Then when the energy is produced, it is transformed to high voltages, in or=
der to be transported over the country.

Transformers and transportation take energy loss.

At the end of the high voltage lines, the energy is distributed and before =
that the high voltages are transformed to lower voltages. Again this takes =
loss.

Then your car is being charged: another transformer and a rectifying system=
 is used in order to make DC voltage for the batteries.

Inside the car there also are several losses of energy. The batteries seem =
to produce quite some heat.

And in summertime the airco takes a lot of energy as well.

So at the end looking to a gas powered car, which produces the energy onboa=
rd versus electrically powered cars, there is quite some loss of energy.

Of course before gas is being put into the tank, lots of energy is lost as =
well by transportation and the refinery.

So this summer I made a lot of miles on my racing bike=E2=80=A6

Cheers,

Hans going to assemble the repaired fuel pump back into the GT today.

Van: Mgs <[email-masked]> Namens dave
Verzonden: vrijdag 16 oktober 2020 03:16
Aan: 'mglist' <[email-masked]>
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] New MGB

As long as you don=E2=80=99t claim it=E2=80=99s a zero emission vehicle.  I=
 think its really na=C3=AFve not to consider that you are just moving the s=
ource of the emissions.

I saw an interesting study on the actual emissions of electric vehicles, br=
oken down by geographic region.   And as an extreme, because China uses vir=
tually no emission equipment on their coal burning plants you actually prod=
uce a great deal more emissions with an electric vehicle there than gas bur=
ning ones.

 On Behalf Of Dan DiBiase

That's surprising as there are plenty running around the US still. I'm actu=
ally going to be ordering a Tesla Model Y (the small SUV) at the end of the=
 year. Can't wait....

Dan D

'76B, '65B

Central NJ USA

 

planet.nl> > wrote:

Cheers, Hans

Namens Max Heim

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Cheers,

Hans

 

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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
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class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>So: where does the electricity come =
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style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Energy plants running on coal, gas, =
nuclear fuel etc. Except nuclear energy, there is CO2 =
produced.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Wind energy =E2=80=93 but when =
there is no wind, this does not work<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Solar energy =E2=80=93 works well =
in the sunny areas, but not during the night, winter and rainy =
periods<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Then when the energy is produced, =
it is transformed to high voltages, in order to be transported over the =
country.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Transformers and transportation =
take energy loss.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>At the end of the high =
voltage lines, the energy is distributed and before that the high =
voltages are transformed to lower voltages. Again this takes =
loss.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Then your car is being charged: =
another transformer and a rectifying system is used in order to make DC =
voltage for the batteries.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Inside the car there also are =
several losses of energy. The batteries seem to produce quite some =
heat.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>And in summertime the airco takes a =
lot of energy as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>So at the end looking to a gas =
powered car, which produces the energy onboard versus electrically =
powered cars, there is quite some loss of =
energy.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Of course before gas is being put =
into the tank, lots of energy is lost as well by transportation and the =
refinery.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>So this summer I made a lot of =
miles on my racing bike=E2=80=A6<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hans going to assemble the repaired =
fuel pump back into the GT today.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><di=
v style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>Van:</b> Mgs =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>Namens =
</b>dave<br><b>Verzonden:</b> vrijdag 16 oktober 2020 =
03:16<br><b>Aan:</b> 'mglist' =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] New =
MGB<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>As long as you don=E2=80=99t claim it=E2=80=99s a zero =
emission vehicle.&nbsp; I think its really na=C3=AFve not to consider =
that you are just moving the source of the =
emissions.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>I saw an interesting study on the actual emissions of =
electric vehicles, broken down by geographic region.&nbsp;&nbsp; And as =
an extreme, because China uses virtually no emission equipment on their =
coal burning plants you actually produce a great deal more emissions =
with an electric vehicle there than gas burning =
ones.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dan DiBiase<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October =
15, 2020 3:07 PM<br><b>To:</b> Hans Duinhoven &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b=
>Cc:</b> mglist &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subje=
ct:</b> Re: [Mgs] New MGB<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>That's surprising as there are =
plenty running around the US still. I'm actually going to be ordering a =
Tesla Model Y (the small SUV) at the end of the year. Can't =
wait....<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>Dan =
D<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>'76B, '65B<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>Central NJ USA<br =
clear=3Dall><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><a =
href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/" =
target=3D"_blank">http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p></div></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 3:13 PM =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>It is a bit how Tesla started when their car was a Lotus =
being electric.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>A few months ago I read in the news, that such a Tesla =
finally had been depreciated in our country to zero, as the battery was =
not possible to be charged=E2=80=A6</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Cheers, Hans</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>Van:</b> =
Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>Namens </b>Max =
Heim<br><b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 15 oktober 2020 21:01<br><b>Aan:</b> =
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] =
New MGB<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I saw this =
announcement on the MGOC page. What struck me was that it seems to be a =
case of life imitating art.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I =
don=E2=80=99t know if any of you ever heard of a book called =
=E2=80=9CZEV-1=E2=80=9D. It was self-published by an author here in =
northern California, back in the 1990s. He used to sell it at British =
car meets, which is where I acquired a copy.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The premise =
of this book is that an inventor/entrepreneur starts a company to build =
battery electric cars using his proprietary battery technology. And he =
chooses the MGB as his first model. So the story is about the struggle =
to build an electric MGB, fighting industry forces, regulators, and =
unscrupulous rivals.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>This =
announcement really makes me wonder if these people read this book 20 =
years ago, or stumbled upon it more =
recently.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>--<o:p></o:p=
></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Max =
Heim<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
/p><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Oct 15, =
2020, at 11:28 AM, David Breneman &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Interesting!&=
nbsp; It almost certainly will not be allowed into the US unless it's =
built on a vintage body tub, and is therefore a modified =
&quot;classic&quot; car.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>&nbsp;</span>=
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>David =
Breneman <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div=
></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>&nbsp;</span>=
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>&nbsp;</span>=
<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div =
id=3D"gmail-m_-6017480999604369521ydp7ac3440yahoo_quoted_3119468925"><div=
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>On Thursday, October 15, 2020, 11:06:47 AM PDT, &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote: =
</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div =
id=3D"gmail-m_-6017480999604369521ydp7ac3440yiv7586460495"><div><div><div=
class=3Dgmail-m-6017480999604369521ydp7ac3440yiv7586460495msonormal><span=
 lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>In the local press was an announcement, that there will be a new =
built MGB again.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m-6017480999604369521ydp7ac3440yiv7586460495msonormal><span=
 lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Fully electric. Comes with a =E2=82=AC 90,000 pricetag, where one =
could buy 8 normal =
MGB=E2=80=99s.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3Dgmail-m-6017480999604369521ydp7ac3440yiv7586460495msonormal><span=
 =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><a =
href=3D"https://www.nu.nl/auto/6083327/naast-elektrische-suv-nu-ook-de-oo=
rspronkelijke-mgb-elektrisch-gemaakt.html" =
target=3D"_blank">https://www.nu.nl/auto/6083327/naast-elektrische-suv-nu=
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From: Simon Matthews <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 18:50:10 -0700

>>> So: where does the electricity come from?

Wind, hydro, nuclear.

>>> No matter where electricity comes from it has to be generated, and the equipment doing that is the same for 'renewable' electricity as it is for fossil fuel in that originally raw material has to be dug out of the ground, processed and manufactured, the vast majority of which is done using equipment powered by fossil fuels.

This has been debunked so many times. Yes, fossil fuels are used in
the manufacture of wind turbines, but those same turbines "pay off"
that CO2 debt very quickly and go on to produce decades of clean
electricity.

If you live in any Pacific coast state, driving an EV results in less
total CO2 emissions.

Simon

On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 12:34 AM <[email-masked]> wrote:
> Energy plants running on coal, gas, nuclear fuel etc. Except nuclear energy, there is CO2 produced.
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> Wind energy – but when there is no wind, this does not work
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> Solar energy – works well in the sunny areas, but not during the night, winter and rainy periods
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> Then when the energy is produced, it is transformed to high voltages, in order to be transported over the country.
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> At the end of the high voltage lines, the energy is distributed and before that the high voltages are transformed to lower voltages. Again this takes loss.
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> Then your car is being charged: another transformer and a rectifying system is used in order to make DC voltage for the batteries.
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> Inside the car there also are several losses of energy. The batteries seem to produce quite some heat.
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> So at the end looking to a gas powered car, which produces the energy onboard versus electrically powered cars, there is quite some loss of energy.
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> Of course before gas is being put into the tank, lots of energy is lost as well by transportation and the refinery.
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> So this summer I made a lot of miles on my racing bike…
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> Cheers,
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> As long as you don’t claim it’s a zero emission vehicle.  I think its really naïve not to consider that you are just moving the source of the emissions.
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> I saw an interesting study on the actual emissions of electric vehicles, broken down by geographic region.   And as an extreme, because China uses virtually no emission equipment on their coal burning plants you actually produce a great deal more emissions with an electric vehicle there than gas burning ones.
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> That's surprising as there are plenty running around the US still. I'm actually going to be ordering a Tesla Model Y (the small SUV) at the end of the year. Can't wait....
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> Dan D
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> A few months ago I read in the news, that such a Tesla finally had been depreciated in our country to zero, as the battery was not possible to be charged…
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> Cheers, Hans
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> I saw this announcement on the MGOC page. What struck me was that it seems to be a case of life imitating art.
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> I don’t know if any of you ever heard of a book called “ZEV-1”. It was self-published by an author here in northern California, back in the 1990s. He used to sell it at British car meets, which is where I acquired a copy.
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> The premise of this book is that an inventor/entrepreneur starts a company to build battery electric cars using his proprietary battery technology. And he chooses the MGB as his first model. So the story is about the struggle to build an electric MGB, fighting industry forces, regulators, and unscrupulous rivals.
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> This announcement really makes me wonder if these people read this book 20 years ago, or stumbled upon it more recently.
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> On Oct 15, 2020, at 11:28 AM, David Breneman <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> On Thursday, October 15, 2020, 11:06:47 AM PDT, <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> In the local press was an announcement, that there will be a new built MGB again.
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> Fully electric. Comes with a € 90,000 pricetag, where one could buy 8 normal MGB’s.
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> https://www.nu.nl/auto/6083327/naast-elektrische-suv-nu-ook-de-oorspronkelijke-mgb-elektrisch-gemaakt.html
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> Cheers,
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> Hans
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> ’71 BGT – repaired the fuel pump today with new points.
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