Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mgb-v8] LED instrument lights

From: Paul Root <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 11:43:12 -0500

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Long ago, I just removed my dimmer completely, and installed LED lights.
They are never so bright as to be distracting, but do work fine. All stock
gauges. I think I got the bulbs from Little British Car Co. But like I
said, years ago, I don't really remember.

Is it this one?
https://www.speedhut.com/ecommerce/product/780/Gauge-Lighting-Inverter-for-Multiple-Gauges-with-Dimmer

This makes it sound like there is a separate line to each of 8 lights. But
that you can add a splitter to get more if needed.

Have you tried the LEDs without a dimmer?

On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 11:00 AM Barrie Robinson <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Hello Folks,
>
> I have installed a SpeedHut speedo and tacho in my MGB GT V8 (not a
> factory one) and they are superb.  But the dimmer does not work on them.
> So I have decided to put LED bulbs in the remaining four smaller gauges and
> this means I have to install a LED dimmer for all six gauges.   SpeedHut
> supply an LED dimmer but despite many emails I cannot find how their dimmer
> hooks up with their gauges and my to-be-installed LEDs in the smaller four.
> (Probably affected by the dreaded virus - which we know is a hoax).  I do
> not to know what LED bulbs I get for my 4 small gauges - and I need the new
> stronger ones.   I bought LEDs a while way back and they were no stronger
> than the incandescents !!!
>
> So is there anyone who is into this subject as your help would be much
> appreciated.
>
> I do hope that all is well with you and yours.  We are not doing badly and
> so far the dreaded lurgy has not come near us - but taking super
> precautions including face masks.
>
> Cheers
> Barrie
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Long ago, I just removed my dimmer completely, and install=
ed LED lights. They are never so bright as to be distracting, but do work f=
ine. All stock gauges. I think I got the bulbs from Little British Car Co. =
But like I said, years ago, I don&#39;t really remember.=C2=A0<div><br></di=
v><div>Is it this one?=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://www.speedhut.com/ecommerce/p=
roduct/780/Gauge-Lighting-Inverter-for-Multiple-Gauges-with-Dimmer">https:/=
/www.speedhut.com/ecommerce/product/780/Gauge-Lighting-Inverter-for-Multipl=
e-Gauges-with-Dimmer</a></div><div><br></div><div>This makes it sound like =
there is a separate line to each of 8 lights. But that you can add a splitt=
er=C2=A0to get more if needed.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Have you trie=
d the LEDs without a dimmer?=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div><br></div></div><br><div=
 class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 7,=
 2020 at 11:00 AM Barrie Robinson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">ba=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);paddi=
ng-left:1ex">
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  <div>
    <font size=3D"-1"><font face=3D"Arial">Hello Folks,<br>
        <br>
        I have installed a SpeedHut speedo and tacho in my MGB GT V8
        (not a factory one) and they are superb.=C2=A0 But the dimmer does
        not work on them.=C2=A0 So I have decided to put LED bulbs in the
        remaining four smaller gauges and this means I have to install a
        LED dimmer for all six gauges.=C2=A0=C2=A0 SpeedHut supply an LED d=
immer
        but despite many emails I cannot find how their dimmer hooks up
        with their gauges and my to-be-installed LEDs in the smaller
        four. (Probably affected by the dreaded virus - which we know is
        a hoax).=C2=A0 I do not to know what LED bulbs I get for my 4 small
        gauges - and I need the new stronger ones.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I bought LED=
s a
        while way back and they were no stronger than the incandescents
        !!! <br>
        <br>
        So is there anyone who is into this subject as your help would
        be much appreciated.<br>
        <br>
        I do hope that all is well with you and yours.=C2=A0 We are not doi=
ng
        badly and so far the dreaded lurgy has not come near us - but
        taking super precautions including face masks.<br>
        <br>
        Cheers<br>
        Barrie<br>
      </font></font>
  </div>

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From: Max Heim <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 10:00:35 -0700

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I bought these LEDs for the instruments in my 1966 B, from LEDLight.com.

Product ID 57567
#1487 Miniature Bulb E10 Base 5 5050 12V Dim-able T3 1/4
Color: Warm White 3000K
$2.42 ea.

Note that there are brighter bulbs, but they contain more LED elements =
and are longer, and will not fit in the fuel or combo gauge locations. =
The number after the word =E2=80=9CBase=E2=80=9D indicates the number of =
elements. The next size would be a =E2=80=9C9=E2=80=9D.

I chose Warm White to simulate the color of the incandescent bulbs. I =
had tried the Bright White bulbs but I didn't like the effect =E2=80=94 =
it was slightly bluish and actually tended to wash out the lettering on =
the gauges.

I did not use LEDs in the turn signal indicators because I didn't see =
any need for them to be brighter.

--
Max Heim
'66 MGB

> On Jul 7, 2020, at 8:59 AM, Barrie Robinson <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Hello Folks,
>=20
> I have installed a SpeedHut speedo and tacho in my MGB GT V8 (not a =
factory one) and they are superb.  But the dimmer does not work on them. =
 So I have decided to put LED bulbs in the remaining four smaller gauges =
and this means I have to install a LED dimmer for all six gauges.   =
SpeedHut supply an LED dimmer but despite many emails I cannot find how =
their dimmer hooks up with their gauges and my to-be-installed LEDs in =
the smaller four. (Probably affected by the dreaded virus - which we =
know is a hoax).  I do not to know what LED bulbs I get for my 4 small =
gauges - and I need the new stronger ones.   I bought LEDs a while way =
back and they were no stronger than the incandescents !!!=20
>=20
> So is there anyone who is into this subject as your help would be much =
appreciated.
>=20
> I do hope that all is well with you and yours.  We are not doing badly =
and so far the dreaded lurgy has not come near us - but taking super =
precautions including face masks.
> Suggested annual donation  $12.75
>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">I =
bought these LEDs for the instruments in my 1966 B, from <a =
href=3D"http://LEDLight.com" class=3D"">LEDLight.com</a>.<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Product ID =
57567</div><div class=3D"">#1487 Miniature Bulb E10 Base 5 5050 12V =
Dim-able T3 1/4<br class=3D""><div class=3D"">Color: Warm White =
3000K</div><div class=3D"">$2.42 ea.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Note that there are brighter bulbs, but =
they contain more LED elements and are longer, and will not fit in the =
fuel or combo gauge locations. The number after the word =E2=80=9CBase=E2=80=
=9D indicates the number of elements. The next size would be a =
=E2=80=9C9=E2=80=9D.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">I chose Warm White to simulate the color of the incandescent =
bulbs. I had tried the Bright White bulbs but I didn't like the effect =
=E2=80=94 it was slightly bluish and actually tended to wash out the =
lettering on the gauges.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">I did not use LEDs in the turn signal indicators because I =
didn't see any need for them to be brighter.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; text-align: =
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: =
break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space;" class=3D""><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px;" =
class=3D"">--</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; =
min-height: 16px;" class=3D"">Max Heim</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; =
font-size: 13px;" class=3D"">'66 MGB</div></div></div>
</div>

<div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Jul 7, 2020, at 8:59 AM, Barrie Robinson &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D"">
 =20

    <meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3DUTF-8" class=3D"">
 =20
  <div class=3D"">
    <font size=3D"-1" class=3D""><font face=3D"Arial" class=3D"">Hello =
Folks,<br class=3D"">
        <br class=3D"">
        I have installed a SpeedHut speedo and tacho in my MGB GT V8
        (not a factory one) and they are superb.&nbsp; But the dimmer =
does
        not work on them.&nbsp; So I have decided to put LED bulbs in =
the
        remaining four smaller gauges and this means I have to install a
        LED dimmer for all six gauges.&nbsp;&nbsp; SpeedHut supply an =
LED dimmer
        but despite many emails I cannot find how their dimmer hooks up
        with their gauges and my to-be-installed LEDs in the smaller
        four. (Probably affected by the dreaded virus - which we know is
        a hoax).&nbsp; I do not to know what LED bulbs I get for my 4 =
small
        gauges - and I need the new stronger ones.&nbsp;&nbsp; I bought =
LEDs a
        while way back and they were no stronger than the incandescents
        !!! <br class=3D"">
        <br class=3D"">
        So is there anyone who is into this subject as your help would
        be much appreciated.<br class=3D"">
        <br class=3D"">
        I do hope that all is well with you and yours.&nbsp; We are not =
doing
        badly and so far the dreaded lurgy has not come near us - but
        taking super precautions including face masks.<br class=3D"">
        <br class=3D"">
        Cheers<br class=3D"">
        Barrie<br class=3D"">
      </font></font>
  </div>

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I used these bulbs just for the instrument panel lamps. The instrument =
panel turn signal indicators would take the same bulb.

Although the bulbs are advertised as =E2=80=9Cdim-able=E2=80=9D in my =
experience they are either on or off =E2=80=94 full brightness or not =
visible. It could very well be that a electronic dimmer is required, and =
they don't =E2=80=9Cdim=E2=80=9D with the old-fashioned rheostat.

The tail and stop lamps take a different base, and one would want the =
largest/brightest unit available. I installed the ones offered by Moss =
Motors.

I tried the LEDs offered by Moss for the front turn indicators, but they =
didn=E2=80=99t work on my car =E2=80=94 they were too long. When I =
tightened down the lens screws, it pressed the bulb down into the =
socket, cutting off the current. Later I figured out that I could have =
doubled up on the foam gaskets and prevented this.

Note that using LEDs in the turn signal circuit requires one to install =
a electronic flasher unit.

LED headlamp conversions are a more complex subject which I have not =
investigated.

--
Max Heim
[email-masked]

> On Jul 7, 2020, at 12:49 PM, Barrie Robinson <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Hello Max,
>=20
> That is brilliant (sorry for the pun!)
>=20
> Did you by any chance get LEDs for rear brakes and turn bulbs or =
elsewhere ?  You don't do the turn ones but I think brighter would be =
better.  Do you have reference number for them and brakes ???- I looked =
at my bulbs but no numbers !!!!   The only place I would not use LEDs is =
the head light - too expensive.  =20
>=20
> But one thing - it says you can dim with normal rheostat as used =
originally.   I must use a 'inverter' from SpeedHut to dim my speedo and =
tach - So does that mean I keep the currently installed dimmer with the =
LEDLight bulbs and add another dimmer for the SpeedHuts ?  Actually =
that's sort of sexy - individual dimming  - wow !!!!!
>=20
> Your information was a relief as I was humming and harring about what =
to get! =20
>=20
> Cheers
> Barrie
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On 7/7/2020 1:00 PM, Max Heim wrote:
>> I bought these LEDs for the instruments in my 1966 B, from =
LEDLight.com <http://ledlight.com/>.
>> Note that there are brighter bulbs, but they contain more LED =
elements and are longer, and will not fit in the fuel or combo gauge =
locations. The number after the word =E2=80=9CBase=E2=80=9D indicates =
the number of elements. The next size would be a =E2=80=9C9=E2=80=9D.
>>=20
>> --
>> Max Heim
>> '66 MGB
>>=20
>>> On Jul 7, 2020, at 8:59 AM, Barrie Robinson <[email-masked] =
>>>=20
>>> Hello Folks,
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> So is there anyone who is into this subject as your help would be =
much appreciated.
>>>=20
>>> I do hope that all is well with you and yours.  We are not doing =
badly and so far the dreaded lurgy has not come near us - but taking =
super precautions including face masks.
>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html =
<http://www.team.net/donate.html>
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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">I =
used these bulbs just for the instrument panel lamps. The instrument =
panel turn signal indicators would take the same bulb.<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Although the bulbs are advertised as =
=E2=80=9Cdim-able=E2=80=9D in my experience they are either on or off =
=E2=80=94 full brightness or not visible. It could very well be that a =
electronic dimmer is required, and they don't =E2=80=9Cdim=E2=80=9D with =
the old-fashioned rheostat.<br class=3D""><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">The tail and stop lamps take a =
different base, and one would want the largest/brightest unit available. =
I installed the ones offered by Moss Motors.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I tried the LEDs offered by Moss for =
the front turn indicators, but they didn=E2=80=99t work on my car =E2=80=94=
 they were too long. When I tightened down the lens screws, it pressed =
the bulb down into the socket, cutting off the current. Later I figured =
out that I could have doubled up on the foam gaskets and prevented =
this.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Note =
that using LEDs in the turn signal circuit requires one to install a =
electronic flasher unit.<br class=3D""><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">LED headlamp conversions are a more =
complex subject which I have not investigated.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">--</div><div class=3D"">Max Heim</div><div class=3D""><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a></div><div=
 class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">

</div>
<div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Jul 7, 2020, at 12:49 PM, Barrie Robinson &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D"">
 =20
    <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3DUTF-8" class=3D"">
 =20
  <div class=3D"">
    <font size=3D"-1" class=3D""><font face=3D"Arial" class=3D"">Hello =
Max,<br class=3D"">
        <br class=3D"">
        That is brilliant (sorry for the pun!)<br class=3D"">
        <br class=3D"">
        Did you by any chance get LEDs for rear brakes and turn bulbs or
        elsewhere ?&nbsp; You don't do the turn ones but I think =
brighter
        would be better.&nbsp; Do you have reference number for them and
        brakes ???- I looked at my bulbs but no numbers !!!!&nbsp;&nbsp; =
The only
        place I would not use LEDs is the head light - too =
expensive.&nbsp;&nbsp;
        <br class=3D"">
        <br class=3D"">
        But one thing - it says you can dim with normal rheostat as used
        originally.&nbsp;&nbsp; I <i class=3D"">must</i> use a =
'inverter' from SpeedHut to
        dim my speedo and tach - So does that mean I keep the currently
        installed dimmer with the LEDLight bulbs and add another dimmer
        for the SpeedHuts ?&nbsp; Actually that's sort of sexy - =
individual
        dimming&nbsp; - wow !!!!!<br class=3D"">
        <br class=3D"">
        Your information was a relief as I was humming and harring about
        what to get!&nbsp; <br class=3D"">
        <br class=3D"">
        Cheers<br class=3D"">
        Barrie<br class=3D"">
        <br class=3D"">
        <br class=3D"">
        <br class=3D"">
        <br class=3D"">
        <br class=3D"">
        <br class=3D"">
      </font></font><br class=3D"">
    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 7/7/2020 1:00 PM, Max Heim =
wrote:<br class=3D"">
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite" =
cite=3D"mid:[email-masked]" class=3D"">
      <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3DUTF-8" class=3D"">
      I bought these LEDs for the instruments in my 1966 B, from <a =
href=3D"http://ledlight.com/" class=3D"" =
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">LEDLight.com</a>.
      <div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
      </div>
      <div class=3D"">Product ID 57567</div>
      <div class=3D"">#1487 Miniature Bulb E10 Base 5 5050 12V Dim-able =
T3
        1/4<br class=3D"">
        <div class=3D"">Color: Warm White 3000K</div>
        <div class=3D"">$2.42 ea.</div>
        <div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
        </div>
        <div class=3D"">Note that there are brighter bulbs, but they
          contain more LED elements and are longer, and will not fit in
          the fuel or combo gauge locations. The number after the word
          =E2=80=9CBase=E2=80=9D indicates the number of elements. The =
next size would
          be a =E2=80=9C9=E2=80=9D.</div>
        <div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
        </div>
        <div class=3D"">I chose Warm White to simulate the color of the
          incandescent bulbs. I had tried the Bright White bulbs but I
          didn't like the effect =E2=80=94 it was slightly bluish and =
actually
          tended to wash out the lettering on the gauges.</div>
        <div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
        </div>
        <div class=3D"">I did not use LEDs in the turn signal indicators
          because I didn't see any need for them to be brighter.</div>
        <div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
        </div>
        <div class=3D"">
          <div class=3D"">
            <div style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: =
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                      I have installed a SpeedHut speedo and tacho in my
                      MGB GT V8 (not a factory one) and they are
                      superb.&nbsp; But the dimmer does not work on =
them.&nbsp; So
                      I have decided to put LED bulbs in the remaining
                      four smaller gauges and this means I have to
                      install a LED dimmer for all six =
gauges.&nbsp;&nbsp;
                      SpeedHut supply an LED dimmer but despite many
                      emails I cannot find how their dimmer hooks up
                      with their gauges and my to-be-installed LEDs in
                      the smaller four. (Probably affected by the
                      dreaded virus - which we know is a hoax).&nbsp; I =
do
                      not to know what LED bulbs I get for my 4 small
                      gauges - and I need the new stronger =
ones.&nbsp;&nbsp; I
                      bought LEDs a while way back and they were no
                      stronger than the incandescents !!! <br class=3D"">
                      <br class=3D"">
                      So is there anyone who is into this subject as
                      your help would be much appreciated.<br class=3D"">
                      <br class=3D"">
                      I do hope that all is well with you and =
yours.&nbsp; We
                      are not doing badly and so far the dreaded lurgy
                      has not come near us - but taking super
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www.litezupp.com <http://www.litezupp.com>  makes an excellent LED =
lightbulb which is quite literally plug and play.  Looks and has the =
same plug as a standard light bulb.  And is incredibly bright.  And =
since its an LED, it doesn=E2=80=99t draw much current.  Totally worth =
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I bought these LEDs for the instruments in my 1966 B, from LEDLight.com =
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Product ID 57567

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$2.42 ea.

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"http://www.litezupp.com">www.litezupp.com</a> makes an excellent =
LED lightbulb which is quite literally plug and play.=C2=A0 Looks and =
has the same plug as a standard light bulb.=C2=A0 And is incredibly =
bright.=C2=A0 And since its an LED, it doesn=E2=80=99t draw much =
current.=C2=A0 Totally worth it.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Mgs =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Max =
Heim<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 7, 2020 3:38 PM<br><b>To:</b> Barrie =
Robinson &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; MGB List =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mgs] LED instrument =
lights<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I used these =
bulbs just for the instrument panel lamps. The instrument panel turn =
signal indicators would take the same bulb.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Although the bulbs are advertised as =
=E2=80=9Cdim-able=E2=80=9D in my experience they are either on or off =
=E2=80=94 full brightness or not visible. It could very well be that a =
electronic dimmer is required, and they don't =E2=80=9Cdim=E2=80=9D with =
the old-fashioned rheostat.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>The tail and stop lamps take a different base, and one =
would want the largest/brightest unit available. I installed the ones =
offered by Moss Motors.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
tried the LEDs offered by Moss for the front turn indicators, but they =
didn=E2=80=99t work on my car =E2=80=94 they were too long. When I =
tightened down the lens screws, it pressed the bulb down into the =
socket, cutting off the current. Later I figured out that I could have =
doubled up on the foam gaskets and prevented =
this.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Note that using LEDs in the turn signal circuit =
requires one to install a electronic flasher unit.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>LED headlamp conversions are a more complex subject =
which I have not investigated.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>--<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Max =
Heim<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><o:p></o:p></p></div=
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class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On Jul 7, 2020, at 12:49 PM, Barrie Robinson &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Hello =
Max,<br><br>That is brilliant (sorry for the pun!)<br><br>Did you by any =
chance get LEDs for rear brakes and turn bulbs or elsewhere ?&nbsp; You =
don't do the turn ones but I think brighter would be better.&nbsp; Do =
you have reference number for them and brakes ???- I looked at my bulbs =
but no numbers !!!!&nbsp;&nbsp; The only place I would not use LEDs is =
the head light - too expensive.&nbsp;&nbsp; <br><br>But one thing - it =
says you can dim with normal rheostat as used originally.&nbsp;&nbsp; I =
<i>must</i> use a 'inverter' from SpeedHut to dim my speedo and tach - =
So does that mean I keep the currently installed dimmer with the =
LEDLight bulbs and add another dimmer for the SpeedHuts ?&nbsp; Actually =
that's sort of sexy - individual dimming&nbsp; - wow !!!!!<br><br>Your =
information was a relief as I was humming and harring about what to =
get!&nbsp; =
<br><br>Cheers<br>Barrie<br><br><br><br><br><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p=
><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On 7/7/2020 1:00 PM, Max Heim =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
bought these LEDs for the instruments in my 1966 B, from <a =
href=3D"http://ledlight.com/">LEDLight.com</a>. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Product ID 57567<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>#1487 Miniature Bulb E10 Base 5 5050 12V Dim-able T3 =
1/4<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Color: Warm White =
3000K<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>$2.42 =
ea.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Note that there are brighter bulbs, but they contain =
more LED elements and are longer, and will not fit in the fuel or combo =
gauge locations. The number after the word =E2=80=9CBase=E2=80=9D =
indicates the number of elements. The next size would be a =
=E2=80=9C9=E2=80=9D.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
chose Warm White to simulate the color of the incandescent bulbs. I had =
tried the Bright White bulbs but I didn't like the effect =E2=80=94 it =
was slightly bluish and actually tended to wash out the lettering on the =
gauges.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
did not use LEDs in the turn signal indicators because I didn't see any =
need for them to be brighter.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><p =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>'66 =
MGB<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><p =
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class=3DMsoNormal>On Jul 7, 2020, at 8:59 AM, Barrie Robinson &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Hello =
Folks,<br><br>I have installed a SpeedHut speedo and tacho in my MGB GT =
V8 (not a factory one) and they are superb.&nbsp; But the dimmer does =
not work on them.&nbsp; So I have decided to put LED bulbs in the =
remaining four smaller gauges and this means I have to install a LED =
dimmer for all six gauges.&nbsp;&nbsp; SpeedHut supply an LED dimmer but =
despite many emails I cannot find how their dimmer hooks up with their =
gauges and my to-be-installed LEDs in the smaller four. (Probably =
affected by the dreaded virus - which we know is a hoax).&nbsp; I do not =
to know what LED bulbs I get for my 4 small gauges - and I need the new =
stronger ones.&nbsp;&nbsp; I bought LEDs a while way back and they were =
no stronger than the incandescents !!! <br><br>So is there anyone who is =
into this subject as your help would be much appreciated.<br><br>I do =
hope that all is well with you and yours.&nbsp; We are not doing badly =
and so far the dreaded lurgy has not come near us - but taking super =
precautions including face =
masks.<br><br>Cheers<br>Barrie</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
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> On Jul 7, 2020, at 2:31 PM, dave <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> www.litezupp.com <http://www.litezupp.com/> makes an excellent LED =
> =20
> From: Mgs <[email-masked] =
> =20
> I tried the LEDs offered by Moss for the front turn indicators, but =
they didn=E2=80=99t work on my car =E2=80=94 they were too long. When I =
tightened down the lens screws, it pressed the bulb down into the =
socket, cutting off the current. Later I figured out that I could have =
doubled up on the foam gaskets and prevented this.
> =20
> Note that using LEDs in the turn signal circuit requires one to =
install a electronic flasher unit.
investigated.
to get! =20
>>> I bought these LEDs for the instruments in my 1966 B, from =
LEDLight.com <http://ledlight.com/>.=20
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>>> I chose Warm White to simulate the color of the incandescent bulbs. =
I had tried the Bright White bulbs but I didn't like the effect =E2=80=94 =
it was slightly bluish and actually tended to wash out the lettering on =
the gauges.
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>>> I did not use LEDs in the turn signal indicators because I didn't =
see any need for them to be brighter.
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wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
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normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;"><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><a =
href=3D"http://www.litezupp.com/" style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: =
underline;" class=3D"">www.litezupp.com</a><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>makes an excellent LED =
lightbulb which is quite literally plug and play.&nbsp; Looks and has =
the same plug as a standard light bulb.&nbsp; And is incredibly =
bright.&nbsp; And since its an LED, it doesn=E2=80=99t draw much =
current.&nbsp; Totally worth it.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
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class=3D""><div style=3D"border-style: solid none none; =
border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: =
3pt 0in 0in;" class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">From:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Mgs=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><b class=3D"">On Behalf =
Of<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Max Heim<br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Tuesday, July 7, 2020 3:38 =
PM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Barrie Robinson &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: =
underline;" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; MGB List &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Mgs] LED instrument =
lights<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">I used these bulbs just for the instrument panel lamps. The =
instrument panel turn signal indicators would take the same bulb.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Although the bulbs are advertised as =
=E2=80=9Cdim-able=E2=80=9D in my experience they are either on or off =
=E2=80=94 full brightness or not visible. It could very well be that a =
electronic dimmer is required, and they don't =E2=80=9Cdim=E2=80=9D with =
the old-fashioned rheostat.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">The tail and stop lamps take a different base, and one would =
want the largest/brightest unit available. I installed the ones offered =
by Moss Motors.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">I tried the LEDs offered by Moss for the front turn =
indicators, but they didn=E2=80=99t work on my car =E2=80=94 they were =
too long. When I tightened down the lens screws, it pressed the bulb =
down into the socket, cutting off the current. Later I figured out that =
I could have doubled up on the foam gaskets and prevented this.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Note that using LEDs in the turn signal =
circuit requires one to install a electronic flasher unit.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">LED headlamp conversions are a more =
complex subject which I have not investigated.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">--<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Max Heim<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 5pt; =
margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=3D"" type=3D"cite"><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">On Jul 7, 2020, at 12:49 PM, Barrie =
Robinson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 12pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Hello Max,<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">That is brilliant =
(sorry for the pun!)<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Did you by any chance =
get LEDs for rear brakes and turn bulbs or elsewhere ?&nbsp; You don't =
do the turn ones but I think brighter would be better.&nbsp; Do you have =
reference number for them and brakes ???- I looked at my bulbs but no =
numbers !!!!&nbsp;&nbsp; The only place I would not use LEDs is the head =
light - too expensive.&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">But one thing - it says you can dim with normal rheostat as =
used originally.&nbsp;&nbsp; I<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><i class=3D"">must</i><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>use a 'inverter' from =
SpeedHut to dim my speedo and tach - So does that mean I keep the =
currently installed dimmer with the LEDLight bulbs and add another =
dimmer for the SpeedHuts ?&nbsp; Actually that's sort of sexy - =
individual dimming&nbsp; - wow !!!!!<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Your =
information was a relief as I was humming and harring about what to =
get!&nbsp;<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Cheers<br class=3D"">Barrie<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br=
 class=3D""></span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">On 7/7/2020 1:00 PM, Max Heim =
wrote:<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top: =
5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=3D"" type=3D"cite"><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">I bought these LEDs for the instruments in my 1966 B, =
from<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"http://ledlight.com/" style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: =
underline;" class=3D"">LEDLight.com</a>.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Product ID 57567<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">#1487 Miniature Bulb E10 Base 5 5050 12V Dim-able T3 1/4<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Color: Warm White 3000K<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">$2.42 ea.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Note that there are brighter bulbs, but =
they contain more LED elements and are longer, and will not fit in the =
fuel or combo gauge locations. The number after the word =E2=80=9CBase=E2=80=
=9D indicates the number of elements. The next size would be a =
=E2=80=9C9=E2=80=9D.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div=
 style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">I chose Warm White to simulate the color of the incandescent =
bulbs. I had tried the Bright White bulbs but I didn't like the effect =
=E2=80=94 it was slightly bluish and actually tended to wash out the =
lettering on the gauges.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">I did not use LEDs in the turn signal indicators because I =
didn't see any need for them to be brighter.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;" =
class=3D"">--<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div=
 style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;" =
class=3D"">Max Heim<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: =
10pt;" class=3D"">'66 MGB<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div=
 style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 5pt; =
margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=3D"" type=3D"cite"><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">On Jul 7, 2020, at 8:59 AM, Barrie =
Robinson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Hello Folks,<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">I have installed a SpeedHut speedo and tacho =
in my MGB GT V8 (not a factory one) and they are superb.&nbsp; But the =
dimmer does not work on them.&nbsp; So I have decided to put LED bulbs =
in the remaining four smaller gauges and this means I have to install a =
LED dimmer for all six gauges.&nbsp;&nbsp; SpeedHut supply an LED dimmer =
but despite many emails I cannot find how their dimmer hooks up with =
their gauges and my to-be-installed LEDs in the smaller four. (Probably =
affected by the dreaded virus - which we know is a hoax).&nbsp; I do not =
to know what LED bulbs I get for my 4 small gauges - and I need the new =
stronger ones.&nbsp;&nbsp; I bought LEDs a while way back and they were =
no stronger than the incandescents !!!<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">So is there anyone who is into this subject as your help =
would be much appreciated.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">I do hope that =
all is well with you and yours.&nbsp; We are not doing badly and so far =
the dreaded lurgy has not come near us - but taking super precautions =
including face masks.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Cheers<br =
class=3D"">Barrie</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
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They draw a lot less current than the bulbs they replace. You could dim 
them, but you'd need a different rheostat. Like the electronic flashers, 
electronic dimmers are insensitive to the load current.

On 7/7/2020 1:37 PM, Max Heim wrote:
> I used these bulbs just for the instrument panel lamps. The instrument 
> Although the bulbs are advertised as “dim-able” in my experience they 
> are either on or off — full brightness or not visible. It could very 
> well be that a electronic dimmer is required, and they don't “dim” 
> with the old-fashioned rheostat.
>
> The tail and stop lamps take a different base, and one would want the 
> largest/brightest unit available. I installed the ones offered by Moss 
> Motors.
>
> I tried the LEDs offered by Moss for the front turn indicators, but 
> they didn’t work on my car — they were too long. When I tightened down 
> the lens screws, it pressed the bulb down into the socket, cutting off 
> the current. Later I figured out that I could have doubled up on the 
> foam gaskets and prevented this.
>
> Note that using LEDs in the turn signal circuit requires one to 
> LED headlamp conversions are a more complex subject which I have not 
> investigated.
>
>
> --
> Max Heim
>
>
>
>> On Jul 7, 2020, at 12:49 PM, Barrie Robinson <[email-masked] 
>>
>> Hello Max,
>>
>> elsewhere ?  You don't do the turn ones but I think brighter would be 
>> better. Do you have reference number for them and brakes ???- I 
>> looked at my bulbs but no numbers !!!! The only place I would not use 
>> LEDs is the head light - too expensive.
>>
>> originally.   I /must/ use a 'inverter' from SpeedHut to dim my 
>> speedo and tach - So does that mean I keep the currently installed 
>> dimmer with the LEDLight bulbs and add another dimmer for the 
>> SpeedHuts ?  Actually that's sort of sexy - individual dimming  - wow 
>> !!!!!
>>
>> Your information was a relief as I was humming and harring about what 
>> to get!
>>
>> Cheers
>> Barrie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> I bought these LEDs for the instruments in my 1966 B, from 
>>> Note that there are brighter bulbs, but they contain more LED 
>>> elements and are longer, and will not fit in the fuel or combo gauge 
>>> locations. The number after the word “Base” indicates the number of 
>>> elements. The next size would be a “9”.
>>>
>>> I chose Warm White to simulate the color of the incandescent bulbs. 
>>> I had tried the Bright White bulbs but I didn't like the effect — it 
>>> was slightly bluish and actually tended to wash out the lettering on 
>>> the gauges.
>>>
>>> I did not use LEDs in the turn signal indicators because I didn't 
>>>> On Jul 7, 2020, at 8:59 AM, Barrie Robinson <[email-masked] 
>>>>
>>>> Hello Folks,
>>>>
>>>> factory one) and they are superb. But the dimmer does not work on 
>>>> them.  So I have decided to put LED bulbs in the remaining four 
>>>> smaller gauges and this means I have to install a LED dimmer for 
>>>> all six gauges.   SpeedHut supply an LED dimmer but despite many 
>>>> emails I cannot find how their dimmer hooks up with their gauges 
>>>> and my to-be-installed LEDs in the smaller four. (Probably affected 
>>>> by the dreaded virus - which we know is a hoax).  I do not to know 
>>>> what LED bulbs I get for my 4 small gauges - and I need the new 
>>>> stronger ones.   I bought LEDs a while way back and they were no 
>>>> stronger than the incandescents !!!
>>>>
>>>> So is there anyone who is into this subject as your help would be 
>>>> much appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> I do hope that all is well with you and yours.  We are not doing 
>>>> taking super precautions including face masks.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Barrie
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    <p>They draw a lot less current than the bulbs they replace. You
      could dim them, but you'd need a different rheostat. Like the
      electronic flashers, electronic dimmers are insensitive to the
      load current. <br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/7/2020 1:37 PM, Max Heim wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:[email-masked]">
      <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
      I used these bulbs just for the instrument panel lamps. The
      instrument panel turn signal indicators would take the same bulb.
      <div class=""><br class="">
      </div>
      <div class="">Although the bulbs are advertised as “dim-able” in
        my experience they are either on or off — full brightness or not
        visible. It could very well be that a electronic dimmer is
        required, and they don't “dim” with the old-fashioned rheostat.<br
          class="">
        <div class=""><br class="">
        </div>
        <div class="">The tail and stop lamps take a different base, and
          one would want the largest/brightest unit available. I
          installed the ones offered by Moss Motors.</div>
        <div class=""><br class="">
        </div>
        <div class="">I tried the LEDs offered by Moss for the front
          turn indicators, but they didn’t work on my car — they were
          too long. When I tightened down the lens screws, it pressed
          the bulb down into the socket, cutting off the current. Later
          I figured out that I could have doubled up on the foam gaskets
          and prevented this.</div>
        <div class=""><br class="">
        </div>
        <div class="">Note that using LEDs in the turn signal circuit
          requires one to install a electronic flasher unit.<br class="">
          <div class=""><br class="">
          </div>
          <div class="">LED headlamp conversions are a more complex
            subject which I have not investigated.</div>
          <div class=""><br class="">
          </div>
          <div class=""><br class="">
            <div class="">
              <div class="">--</div>
              <div class="">Max Heim</div>
              <div class=""><a href="mailto:[email-masked]" class=""
                  moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a></div>
              <div class=""><br class="">
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              <blockquote type="cite" class="">
                <div class="">On Jul 7, 2020, at 12:49 PM, Barrie
                  Robinson &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]" class=""
                    moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                  wrote:</div>
                <br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
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                  <div class=""> <font class="" size="-1"><font
                        class="" face="Arial">Hello Max,<br class="">
                        <br class="">
                        That is brilliant (sorry for the pun!)<br
                          class="">
                        <br class="">
                        Did you by any chance get LEDs for rear brakes
                        and turn bulbs or elsewhere ?  You don't do the
                        turn ones but I think brighter would be better. 
                        Do you have reference number for them and brakes
                        ???- I looked at my bulbs but no numbers !!!!  
                        The only place I would not use LEDs is the head
                        light - too expensive.   <br class="">
                        <br class="">
                        But one thing - it says you can dim with normal
                        rheostat as used originally.   I <i class="">must</i>
                        use a 'inverter' from SpeedHut to dim my speedo
                        and tach - So does that mean I keep the
                        currently installed dimmer with the LEDLight
                        bulbs and add another dimmer for the SpeedHuts
                        ?  Actually that's sort of sexy - individual
                        dimming  - wow !!!!!<br class="">
                        <br class="">
                        Your information was a relief as I was humming
                        and harring about what to get!  <br class="">
                        <br class="">
                        Cheers<br class="">
                        Barrie<br class="">
                        <br class="">
                        <br class="">
                        <br class="">
                        <br class="">
                        <br class="">
                        <br class="">
                      </font></font><br class="">
                    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/7/2020 1:00 PM,
                      Max Heim wrote:<br class="">
                    </div>
                    <blockquote type="cite"
                      cite="mid:[email-masked]"
                      class="">
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                      I bought these LEDs for the instruments in my 1966
                      B, from <a href="http://ledlight.com/" class=""
                        moz-do-not-send="true">LEDLight.com</a>.
                      <div class=""><br class="">
                      </div>
                      <div class="">Product ID 57567</div>
                      <div class="">#1487 Miniature Bulb E10 Base 5 5050
                        12V Dim-able T3 1/4<br class="">
                        <div class="">Color: Warm White 3000K</div>
                        <div class="">$2.42 ea.</div>
                        <div class=""><br class="">
                        </div>
                        <div class="">Note that there are brighter
                          bulbs, but they contain more LED elements and
                          are longer, and will not fit in the fuel or
                          combo gauge locations. The number after the
                          word “Base” indicates the number of elements.
                          The next size would be a “9”.</div>
                        <div class=""><br class="">
                        </div>
                        <div class="">I chose Warm White to simulate the
                          color of the incandescent bulbs. I had tried
                          the Bright White bulbs but I didn't like the
                          effect — it was slightly bluish and actually
                          tended to wash out the lettering on the
                          gauges.</div>
                        <div class=""><br class="">
                        </div>
                        <div class="">I did not use LEDs in the turn
                          signal indicators because I didn't see any
                          need for them to be brighter.</div>
                        <div class=""><br class="">
                        </div>
                        <div class="">
                          <div class="">
                            <div style="letter-spacing: normal;
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                                <div style="margin: 0px; font-size:
                                  13px;" class="">--</div>
                                <div style="margin: 0px; font-size:
                                  13px; min-height: 16px;" class="">Max
                                  Heim</div>
                                <div style="margin: 0px; font-size:
                                  13px;" class="">'66 MGB</div>
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                              <div class="">On Jul 7, 2020, at 8:59 AM,
                                Barrie Robinson &lt;<a
                                  href="mailto:[email-masked]" class=""
                                  moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                                wrote:</div>
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                                  class="">
                                <div class=""> <font class="" size="-1"><font
                                      class="" face="Arial">Hello Folks,<br
                                        class="">
                                      <br class="">
                                      I have installed a SpeedHut speedo
                                      and tacho in my MGB GT V8 (not a
                                      factory one) and they are superb. 
                                      But the dimmer does not work on
                                      them.  So I have decided to put
                                      LED bulbs in the remaining four
                                      smaller gauges and this means I
                                      have to install a LED dimmer for
                                      all six gauges.   SpeedHut supply
                                      an LED dimmer but despite many
                                      emails I cannot find how their
                                      dimmer hooks up with their gauges
                                      and my to-be-installed LEDs in the
                                      smaller four. (Probably affected
                                      by the dreaded virus - which we
                                      know is a hoax).  I do not to know
                                      what LED bulbs I get for my 4
                                      small gauges - and I need the new
                                      stronger ones.   I bought LEDs a
                                      while way back and they were no
                                      stronger than the incandescents
                                      !!! <br class="">
                                      <br class="">
                                      So is there anyone who is into
                                      this subject as your help would be
                                      much appreciated.<br class="">
                                      <br class="">
                                      I do hope that all is well with
                                      you and yours.  We are not doing
                                      badly and so far the dreaded lurgy
                                      has not come near us - but taking
                                      super precautions including face
                                      masks.<br class="">
                                      <br class="">
                                      Cheers<br class="">
                                      Barrie<br class="">
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Because the LEDs take so little current they need a dimmer that inserts =
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LEDs to dim them.  They should dim, I have a couple of incandescents =
still in circuit on both my cars and the LEDs dim to some extent, but =
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The factory dimmer should still turn the lights off altogether (both =
mine do) , so an alternative is to connect a parallel resistance with =
the lights to boost the current (1.5 amps is neither here nor there in =
the total load on the alternator), so that the factory dimmer works.  In =
theory - based on the relative currents - a 15 ohm 10 watt resistor =
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From: Max Heim <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 11:05:23 -0700

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Well, it=E2=80=99s plug & play assuming you have the right bulb =E2=80=94 =
that=E2=80=99s a given.

Pulling off the dash seems like the hard way to replace bulbs=E2=80=A6 =
Don=E2=80=99t know that I would consider the benefit worth the effort.

I just reach up underneath and pop out the receptacles. When they are =
dangling from the wires the bulbs can easily be replaced. The only ones =
that are particularly difficult are the turn signal indicators =E2=80=94 =
you can pop them out by pulling the wires, but it can be very difficult =
to get them back in. But I didn=E2=80=99t see any particular need to =
replace them.

This is a metal dash. Possibly it is more difficult on a later car.

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Max Heim
'66 MGB

> On Jul 8, 2020, at 8:45 AM, Barrie Robinson <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Hell Max,
>=20
> No, there are many pitfalls including some "will fit MGBs" ones that =
are too long !!!  I was advised by a big Smith gauge outfit that I need =
T10s (Chinese speak) but that is not right as E10 seems to be what is =
needed.   I am pulling my dash to see what I have.   By the way if I =
pull the dash do I have to take off the steering wheel??   I just need =
room to replace bulbs.
>=20
> Cheers - I just need to be enlightened - OMG another pun
> Barrie
>=20
> On 7/7/2020 6:36 PM, Max Heim wrote:
>> All bulbs are literally =E2=80=9Cplug & play=E2=80=9D, I should =
think=E2=80=A6

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">Well, it=E2=80=99s plug &amp; play assuming you have the =
right bulb =E2=80=94 that=E2=80=99s a given.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div>Pulling off the dash seems like the hard way to replace =
bulbs=E2=80=A6 Don=E2=80=99t know that I would consider the benefit =
worth the effort.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I =
just reach up underneath and pop out the receptacles. When they are =
dangling from the wires the bulbs can easily be replaced. The only ones =
that are particularly difficult are the turn signal indicators =E2=80=94 =
you can pop them out by pulling the wires, but it can be very difficult =
to get them back in. But I didn=E2=80=99t see any particular need to =
replace them.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">This is a metal dash. Possibly it is more difficult on a =
later car.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; text-align: =
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: =
break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space;" class=3D""><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
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class=3D"">--</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; =
min-height: 16px;" class=3D"">Max Heim</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; =
font-size: 13px;" class=3D"">'66 MGB</div></div></div>
</div>

<div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Jul 8, 2020, at 8:45 AM, Barrie Robinson &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D"">
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    <font size=3D"-1" class=3D""><font face=3D"Arial" class=3D"">Hell =
Max,<br class=3D"">
        <br class=3D"">
        No, there are many pitfalls including some "will fit MGBs" ones
        that are too long !!!&nbsp; I was advised by a big Smith gauge =
outfit
        that I need T10s (Chinese speak) but that is not right as E10
        seems to be what is needed.&nbsp;&nbsp; I am pulling my dash to =
see what I
        have.&nbsp;&nbsp; By the way if I pull the dash do I have to =
take off the
        steering wheel??&nbsp;&nbsp; I just need room to replace =
bulbs.<br class=3D"">
        <br class=3D"">
        Cheers - I just need to be enlightened - <i class=3D"">OMG =
another pun<br class=3D"">
        </i>Barrie<br class=3D"">
        <i class=3D""></i></font></font><br class=3D"">
    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 7/7/2020 6:36 PM, Max Heim =
wrote:<br class=3D"">
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      All bulbs are literally =E2=80=9Cplug &amp; play=E2=80=9D, I =
should think=E2=80=A6
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      </div>
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          <div class=3D"">Max Heim</div>
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From: "PaulHunt73" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 08:36:13 +0100 VELsqnEdDFRYbVqy+L1mPvgaHeU5oxj+GqlExHodVHP+mM7eqDFS1aO61vnHiK2F1lTIYn+duf2Z9g==

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E10 are screw and were used originally, but a replacement harness for a =
1980 came with T10 which are wedge.  E10 bulb holders are metal and only =
have one wire as they pick up the earth from the metal gauge case, T10 =
are plastic and so have an earth wire as well.

UK CB and RB gauges prior to 77 can all be reached from behind, unless =
you have hands like ham hocks.

CB indicator tell-tales are trickier as there is a strut behind them, =
that's not there on the RB, but as said I saw no reason to replace those =
unlike the gauges as I can see them even in the roadster top down in the =
sun.  The ticking is a bit of a give-away as well.

The 5050 E10 when used in my 75 V8 speedo just touched the innards, I =
could see the needle moving as I pushed the holder in, so I had to space =
it back a bit.

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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>E10 are screw and were used originally, but a =
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are=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>CB indicator tell-tales are trickier as there is a =
strut=20
behind them, that's not there on the RB, but as said I saw no reason to =
replace=20
those unlike the gauges as I can see them even in the roadster top down =
in the=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>The 5050 E10 when used in my 75 V8 speedo just =
touched the=20
innards, I could see the needle moving as I pushed the holder in, so I =
had to=20
space it back a bit.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>PaulH.</FONT></DIV>
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some "will=20
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Smith gauge=20
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seems to=20
  be what is needed.&nbsp;&nbsp; I am pulling my dash to see what I=20
  have.&nbsp;&nbsp; By the way if I pull the dash do I have to take off =
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