Subject: Re: [Mgs] Jaeger Dual Gauge Modern Replacement Accuracy & Calibration

From: "PaulHunt73" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 16:28:00 +0100 8qyJ8lTcqILpzvNm/bT/79DFsQ9zZ/A7ScylcO3jyVJu4cRzE0YcwROaPplrolyGZ9/PCcSPedHelT89+C4/MWzfveadWnbAJXY=

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e-mail signatureNo you aren't, and they would say that as it's obviously =
their gauge that is faulty.  Installed I can't see cooling system =
pressure squeezing the bulb enough to boost the gas pressure and hence =
the gauge reading anywhere near 20 degrees.  I don't know the =
correlation between pressure and reading, but it may be similar to the =
oil section. =20

I have often wondered whether the long (in an MGB at any rate) capillary =
tube being alongside the head in the engine compartment does add a =
little to the reading, as all the tube there could be at 100-plus =
degrees F in hot weather compared to less than 30 degrees in very cold =
weather, with the bulb - presumably with a correctly working stat - =
being at 180F in both cases.

If you were in the UK I'd say demand your money back as it's not fit for =
purpose, there are consumer protection rules, less easy if you are in =
another country.  So many people these days just moan and don't demand =
corrective action, so there is little incentive for suppliers to up =
their game.  The simplest thing is to be aware of it, and take the same =
action when it reads 190 that you would at 212.  Moving the needle could =
cause damage, but there may well be some negative reading that the stop =
prevents that would mean it wouldn't be 20 degrees off the stop when =
cold.  To me though, it would be more irritating to see that, than =
taking account of known under-reading, as I find in both my cars there =
can be significant differences in 'normal' running winter and summer'.  =
Unlike modern cars which I believe are computer controlled to prevent =
owner paranoia with 'normal' variations.

PaulH.

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  I bought a new "Jaeger" dual gauge for my MGA  from a vendor in =
England.  ...  The new gauge never got over a hairs width beyond 190.

  I called the vendor and they intimated that I was crazy to test it the =
way I did.  Am I?  Is there a better way to test it without installing =
it?  Or is installation and an infrared thermometer a preferable way to =
test it.

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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>No you aren't, and they would say that as it's =
obviously their=20
gauge that is faulty.&nbsp; Installed I can't see cooling system =
pressure=20
squeezing the bulb enough to boost the gas pressure and hence the gauge =
reading=20
anywhere near 20 degrees.&nbsp; I don't know the correlation between =
pressure=20
and reading, but it may be similar to the oil section.&nbsp; =
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I have often wondered whether the long (in an MGB at =
any rate)=20
capillary tube being alongside the head in the engine compartment does =
add a=20
little to the reading, as all the tube there could be at 100-plus =
degrees=20
F&nbsp;in hot weather compared to less than 30 degrees in very cold =
weather,=20
with the bulb - presumably with a correctly working stat - being at 180F =
in both=20
cases.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>If you were in the UK I'd say demand your money back =
as it's=20
not fit for purpose,&nbsp;there are consumer protection rules, less easy =
if you=20
are in another country.&nbsp; So many people these days just moan and =
don't=20
demand corrective action, so there is little incentive for suppliers to =
up their=20
game.&nbsp; The simplest thing is to be aware of it, and&nbsp;take the =
same=20
action when it reads 190 that you would at 212.&nbsp; Moving the needle =
could=20
cause damage, but there may well be some negative reading that the stop =
prevents=20
that would mean it wouldn't be 20 degrees off the stop when cold.&nbsp; =
To me=20
though, it would be more irritating to see that, than taking account of =
known=20
under-reading, as I find in both my cars there can be significant =
differences in=20
'normal' running winter and summer'.&nbsp; Unlike modern cars which I =
believe=20
are computer controlled to prevent owner paranoia with 'normal'=20
variations.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>PaulH.</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <P>I bought a new "Jaeger" dual gauge for my MGA&nbsp; from a vendor =
in=20
  England.&nbsp;&nbsp;...&nbsp; The new gauge never got over a hairs =
width=20
  beyond 190.<BR><BR>I called the vendor and they intimated that I was =
crazy to=20
  test it the way I did.&nbsp; Am I?&nbsp; Is there a better way to test =
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thermometer a=20
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Thanks Paul, helpful as always.=C2=A0 The Vendor did offer a refund if I=20
shipped it back.

On 7/20/2020 10:28 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote:
> =EF=BB=BF e-mail signature
> No you aren't, and they would say that as it's obviously their gauge=20
> that is faulty.=C2=A0 Installed I can't see cooling system pressure=20
> squeezing the bulb enough to boost the gas pressure and hence the=20
> gauge reading anywhere near 20 degrees.=C2=A0 I don't know the correlat=
ion=20
> between pressure and reading, but it may be similar to the oil section.
> I have often wondered whether the long (in an MGB at any rate)=20
> capillary tube being alongside the head in the engine compartment does=20
> add a little to the reading, as all the tube there could be at=20
> 100-plus degrees F=C2=A0in hot weather compared to less than 30 degrees=
 in=20
> very cold weather, with the bulb - presumably with a correctly working=20
> stat - being at 180F in both cases.
> If you were in the UK I'd say demand your money back as it's not fit=20
> for purpose,=C2=A0there are consumer protection rules, less easy if you=
 are=20
> in another country.=C2=A0 So many people these days just moan and don't=
=20
> demand corrective action, so there is little incentive for suppliers=20
> to up their game.=C2=A0 The simplest thing is to be aware of it, and=C2=
=A0take=20
> the same action when it reads 190 that you would at 212.=C2=A0 Moving t=
he=20
> needle could cause damage, but there may well be some negative reading=20
> that the stop prevents that would mean it wouldn't be 20 degrees off=20
> the stop when cold.=C2=A0 To me though, it would be more irritating to =
see=20
> that, than taking account of known under-reading, as I find in both my=20
> cars there can be significant differences in 'normal' running winter=20
> and summer'.=C2=A0 Unlike modern cars which I believe are computer=20
> controlled to prevent owner paranoia with 'normal' variations.
> PaulH.
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>
>     I bought a new "Jaeger" dual gauge for my MGA=C2=A0 from a vendor i=
n
>     England.=C2=A0=C2=A0...=C2=A0 The new gauge never got over a hairs =
width beyond 190.
>
>     I called the vendor and they intimated that I was crazy to test it
>     the way I did.=C2=A0 Am I?=C2=A0 Is there a better way to test it w=
ithout
>     installing it?=C2=A0 Or is installation and an infrared thermometer=
 a
>     preferable way to test it.
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    <p>Thanks Paul, helpful as always.=C2=A0 The Vendor did offer a refun=
d if
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          MGB at any rate) capillary tube being alongside the head in
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          all the tube there could be at 100-plus degrees F=C2=A0in hot
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 So
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          action, so there is little incentive for suppliers to up their
          game.=C2=A0 The simplest thing is to be aware of it, and=C2=A0t=
ake the
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ng
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gh,
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          of known under-reading, as I find in both my cars there can be
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        <p>I bought a new "Jaeger" dual gauge for my MGA=C2=A0 from a ven=
dor
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 hairs width
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          I called the vendor and they intimated that I was crazy to
          test it the way I did.=C2=A0 Am I?=C2=A0 Is there a better way =
to test
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   I did not read this thread from its beginning, thus my comments may be of=
f target.
   My assumption is that Bob put the bulb into a pan of boiling water, at wh=
ich time the gauge indicated 190F.  Unless he is testing about about 8500 ft=
 altitude, that 190F is low.   If he tested in boiling water near sea level,=
  Paul is spot on-it is an out-of-spec gauge.
   That is a good way to test gauges and thermostats, adjusting for altitude=
.=20
   It seems to me that contents of the tube alongside the engine=E2=80=99s h=
ead are already gaseous, thus heat added from the head would have insignific=
ant effect on the gauge reading.=20
  I infer that the vendor is not offering to replace the gauge.  If Bob want=
s to keep it and to install it, the infrared thermometer would allow him to c=
hart the difference between gauge reading and thermometer ready, hoping that=
 the error is linear.
  But then, there remains uncertainty about accuracy the oil pressure half o=
f the gauge....
Bob

> On Jul 20, 2020, at 11:28 AM, PaulHunt73 <[email-masked]> wrot=
e:
>=20
> No you aren't, and they would say that as it's obviously their gauge that i=
s faulty.  Installed I can't see cooling system pressure squeezing the bulb e=
nough to boost the gas pressure and hence the gauge reading anywhere near 20=
 degrees.  I don't know the correlation between pressure and reading, but it=
 may be similar to the oil section.=20
> =20
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nter and summer'.  Unlike modern cars which I believe are computer controlle=
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..  The new gauge never got over a hairs width beyond 190.
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Off topic, but it seems I did not get all mails of this threat. 

Anything happened with the mailserver?

Cheers,

Hans

71 BGT being prepared for MOT

Van: Mgs [mailto:[email-masked]] Namens Robert's New iPad
Verzonden: maandag 20 juli 2020 18:08
Aan: PaulHunt73
CC: Robert J. Guinness; [email-masked]
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Jaeger Dual Gauge Modern Replacement Accuracy & Calibr=
ation

   I did not read this thread from its beginning, thus my comments may be o=
ff target.

   My assumption is that Bob put the bulb into a pan of boiling water, at w=
hich time the gauge indicated 190F.  Unless he is testing about about 8500 =
ft altitude, that 190F is low.   If he tested in boiling water near sea lev=
el,  Paul is spot on-it is an out-of-spec gauge.

   That is a good way to test gauges and thermostats, adjusting for altitud=
e. 

   It seems to me that contents of the tube alongside the engine=E2=80=99s =
head are already gaseous, thus heat added from the head would have insignif=
icant effect on the gauge reading. 

  I infer that the vendor is not offering to replace the gauge.  If Bob wan=
ts to keep it and to install it, the infrared thermometer would allow him t=
o chart the difference between gauge reading and thermometer ready, hoping =
that the error is linear.

  But then, there remains uncertainty about accuracy the oil pressure half =
of the gauge....

Bob

On Jul 20, 2020, at 11:28 AM, PaulHunt73 <[email-masked]> wrote=
:

No you aren't, and they would say that as it's obviously their gauge that i=
s faulty.  Installed I can't see cooling system pressure squeezing the bulb=
 enough to boost the gas pressure and hence the gauge reading anywhere near=
 20 degrees.  I don't know the correlation between pressure and reading, bu=
t it may be similar to the oil section.  

I have often wondered whether the long (in an MGB at any rate) capillary tu=
be being alongside the head in the engine compartment does add a little to =
the reading, as all the tube there could be at 100-plus degrees F in hot we=
ather compared to less than 30 degrees in very cold weather, with the bulb =
- presumably with a correctly working stat - being at 180F in both cases.

If you were in the UK I'd say demand your money back as it's not fit for pu=
rpose, there are consumer protection rules, less easy if you are in another=
 country.  So many people these days just moan and don't demand corrective =
action, so there is little incentive for suppliers to up their game.  The s=
implest thing is to be aware of it, and take the same action when it reads =
190 that you would at 212.  Moving the needle could cause damage, but there=
 may well be some negative reading that the stop prevents that would mean i=
t wouldn't be 20 degrees off the stop when cold.  To me though, it would be=
 more irritating to see that, than taking account of known under-reading, a=
s I find in both my cars there can be significant differences in 'normal' r=
unning winter and summer'.  Unlike modern cars which I believe are computer=
 controlled to prevent owner paranoia with 'normal' variations.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 

I bought a new "Jaeger" dual gauge for my MGA  from a vendor in England.  .=
=2E.  The new gauge never got over a hairs width beyond 190.

I called the vendor and they intimated that I was crazy to test it the way =
I did.  Am I?  Is there a better way to test it without installing it?  Or =
is installation and an infrared thermometer a preferable way to test it.

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h the mailserver?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN=
-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F4=
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/b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Mgs =
[mailto:[email-masked]] <b>Namens </b>Robert's New iPad<br><b>V=
erzonden:</b> maandag 20 juli 2020 18:08<br><b>Aan:</b> PaulHunt73<br><b>CC=
:</b> Robert J. Guinness; [email-masked]<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs]=
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</span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p cl=
ass=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp; &nbsp;I did not read this thread from its beginning,=
 thus my comments may be off target.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMs=
oNormal>&nbsp; &nbsp;My assumption is that Bob put the bulb into a pan of b=
oiling water, at which time the gauge indicated 190F. &nbsp;Unless he is te=
sting about about 8500 ft altitude, that 190F is low. &nbsp; If he tested i=
n boiling water near sea level, &nbsp;Paul is spot on-it is an out-of-spec =
gauge.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp; &nbsp;That is a=
 good way to test gauges and thermostats, adjusting for altitude.&nbsp;<o:p=
></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp; &nbsp;It seems to me that=
 contents of the tube alongside the engine=E2=80=99s head are already gaseo=
us, thus heat added from the head would have insignificant effect on the ga=
uge reading.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp; I i=
nfer that the vendor is not offering to replace the gauge. &nbsp;If Bob wan=
ts to keep it and to install it, the infrared thermometer would allow him t=
o chart the difference between gauge reading and thermometer ready, hoping =
that the error is linear.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nb=
sp; But then, there remains uncertainty about accuracy the oil pressure hal=
f of the gauge....<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Bob<o:p></=
o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Jul 20, 2020, at 11=
:28 AM, PaulHunt73 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">paulhu=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style=
=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><s=
pan style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>No you aren't, and they would say that as it=
's obviously their gauge that is faulty.&nbsp; Installed I can't see coolin=
g system pressure squeezing the bulb enough to boost the gas pressure and h=
ence the gauge reading anywhere near 20 degrees.&nbsp; I don't know the cor=
relation between pressure and reading, but it may be similar to the oil sec=
tion.&nbsp; </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:=
p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt=
'>I have often wondered whether the long (in an MGB at any rate) capillary =
tube being alongside the head in the engine compartment does add a little t=
o the reading, as all the tube there could be at 100-plus degrees F&nbsp;in=
 hot weather compared to less than 30 degrees in very cold weather, with th=
e bulb - presumably with a correctly working stat - being at 180F in both c=
ases.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p=
></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>If yo=
u were in the UK I'd say demand your money back as it's not fit for purpose=
,&nbsp;there are consumer protection rules, less easy if you are in another=
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tive action, so there is little incentive for suppliers to up their game.&n=
bsp; The simplest thing is to be aware of it, and&nbsp;take the same action=
 when it reads 190 that you would at 212.&nbsp; Moving the needle could cau=
se damage, but there may well be some negative reading that the stop preven=
ts that would mean it wouldn't be 20 degrees off the stop when cold.&nbsp; =
To me though, it would be more irritating to see that, than taking account =
of known under-reading, as I find in both my cars there can be significant =
differences in 'normal' running winter and summer'.&nbsp; Unlike modern car=
s which I believe are computer controlled to prevent owner paranoia with 'n=
ormal' variations.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nb=
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from a vendor in England.&nbsp;&nbsp;...&nbsp; The new gauge never got over=
 a hairs width beyond 190.<br><br>I called the vendor and they intimated th=
at I was crazy to test it the way I did.&nbsp; Am I?&nbsp; Is there a bette=
r way to test it without installing it?&nbsp; Or is installation and an inf=
rared thermometer a preferable way to test it.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><=
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