Subject: Re: [Mgs] Speed Bleeders

From: Max Heim via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 13:16:22 -0700

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I can see why =E2=80=94 it is a uselessly tiny size. Appropriate for =
fine instruments, perhaps, but seriously undersized for anything that =
needs actual tightening, like a bleed screw.

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'66 MGB

> On May 22, 2020, at 1:10 PM, palte <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> Even in my metric habitat (I live in Europe)
> a 7mm spanner is not that common.
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> Verzonden vanaf mijn Samsung Galaxy-smartphone.
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> -------- Oorspronkelijk bericht --------
> Van: Max Heim via Mgs <[email-masked]>
> Datum: 22-05-2020 19:45 (GMT+01:00)
> Aan: Barney Gaylord <[email-masked]>
> Cc: MG list mail everyone <[email-masked]>
> Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Speed Bleeders
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> What Barney said. I was recently extremely irritated to find that the =
only rear wheel brake cylinders I could buy for my 1967 Plymouth had 7mm =
hexes on the bleeders. Who even has a 7mm wrench? And when I bought a =
cheap set of small metric wrenches just for this purpose, the fit was so =
bad it rounded off the equally cheap hex.
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> I tapped out the holes and installed SAE (I think 5/16) bleed screws.
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> Sent from my iPad
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>> On May 22, 2020, at 10:04 AM, Barney Gaylord via Mgs =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BF Actually it's the other way around.  When these things are =
manufactured overseas, metric hex stock is common while imperial =
dimension stock is near impossible to source.  Result is that =
replacement parts are often delivered with metric dimensions, so we are =
now forced to be adding metric tools to our traveling tool kits.
>>=20
>>=20
>> At 12:31 PM 5/22/2020, Robert's New iPad via Mgs wrote:
>>>    Perhaps there is, or one can be extrapolated from their listing =
for different cars, in which they say that all metric-thread SBs are SAE =
wrench size, because metric stock is more expensive.
>>>    To continue research, we must go to McMaster-Carr and see if =
their hex stock costs more in the larger sizes, and how much.=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>> On May 22, 2020, at 11:11 AM, Dan DiBiase <[email-masked] =
>>>=20
>>>> Is there a technical or logical reason they are all different?
>>>>=20
>>>> Dan D
>>>> '76B, '65B
>>>> Central NJ USA
>>>> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ <http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/>
>>=20
>>>> On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 10:42 AM Osborne, Paul via Mgs =
>>>> It would have good if when they made them if all the same wrench =
size. It is a PIA, 3 diff. sizes.=20
>>>> met 3 cents.=20
>>>> paul o
>>>>> On May 21, 2020, at 4:11 PM, Robert's New iPad via Mgs =
>>>>>   One kind lister recommended Speed Bleeders a couple of weeks =
ago, and I bought them for my MGB, SB 3824 for front brakes, SB 1428 for =
rear, and SB 71620 for the clutch.  It was time to change the hydraulic =
fluid, so seemed opportune to install these.
>>>>>   Thanks for the recommendation.  They made the job quick and =
neat.
>>>>>   Instructions are OK, but let me add that one should try to pinch =
the brake lines with ViceGrips to minimise loss of fluid, and pinch the =
clutch line even if you don=E2=80=99t do the others.   All three SBs =
were of different wrench size from original bleed screws.  Have wrenches =
ready for both sizes.
>>>>>   We had two cars to do, hence had two people. What the observer =
learned, watching from underneath, was that three pumps for each wheel =
will bring clear, clean fluid to both front and rear brakes.=20
>>>>>  $38 well spent.
>>>>> Bob
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can see why =E2=80=94 it is a uselessly tiny size. Appropriate for fine =
instruments, perhaps, but seriously undersized for anything that needs =
actual tightening, like a bleed screw.<div class=3D""><br =
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font-size: 13px;" class=3D"">'66 MGB</div></div></div>
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<div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On May 22, 2020, at 1:10 PM, palte &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
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class=3D""><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">Even in my metric habitat =
(I live in Europe)</div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">a 7mm spanner is =
not that common.</div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
id=3D"composer_signature" dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><div =
style=3D"font-size:85%;color:#575757" dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">Verzonden =
vanaf mijn Samsung Galaxy-smartphone.</div></div><div dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
style=3D"font-size: 100%;" dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><!-- originalMessage =
--><div class=3D"">-------- Oorspronkelijk bericht --------</div><div =
class=3D"">Van: Max Heim via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
 class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; </div><div class=3D"">Datum: =
22-05-2020  19:45  (GMT+01:00) </div><div class=3D"">Aan: Barney Gaylord =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; </div><div class=3D"">Cc: MG =
list mail everyone &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; </div><div class=3D"">Onderwerp: =
Re: [Mgs] Speed Bleeders </div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div></div>What Barney said. I was recently extremely =
irritated to find that the only rear wheel brake cylinders I could buy =
for my 1967 Plymouth had 7mm hexes on the bleeders. Who even has a 7mm =
wrench? And when I bought a cheap set of small metric wrenches just for =
this purpose, the fit was so bad it rounded off the equally cheap =
hex.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I tapped out =
the holes and installed SAE (I think 5/16) bleed screws.<br class=3D""><br=
 class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Sent from my iPad</div><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D"">On May 22, 2020, at 10:04 AM, Barney Gaylord via Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br class=3D""><br class=3D""></blockquote></div><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">=EF=BB=BF

Actually it's the other way around.&nbsp; When these things are
manufactured overseas, metric hex stock is common while imperial
dimension stock is near impossible to source.&nbsp; Result is that
replacement parts are often delivered with metric dimensions, so we are
now forced to be adding metric tools to our traveling tool kits.<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
At 12:31 PM 5/22/2020, Robert's New iPad via Mgs wrote:<br class=3D"">
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"cite" cite=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp; Perhaps =
there is,
or one can be extrapolated from their listing for different cars, in
which they say that all metric-thread SBs are SAE wrench size, because
metric stock is more expensive.<br class=3D"">
&nbsp;&nbsp; To continue research, we must go to McMaster-Carr and see =
if
their hex stock costs more in the larger sizes, and how much.&nbsp;
</blockquote><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"cite" cite=3D"">On May 22, 2020, at =
11:11 AM,
Dan DiBiase
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
wrote:<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"cite" cite=3D"">Is there a technical =
or logical
reason they are all different?<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">
Dan D<br class=3D"">
'76B, '65B<br class=3D"">
Central NJ USA<br class=3D"">
<a href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/" class=3D"">
http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a></blockquote></blockquote><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"cite" cite=3D"">
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"cite" cite=3D"">On Fri, May 22, 2020 =
at 10:42 AM
Osborne, Paul via Mgs
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
wrote:
<dl class=3D"">
<dd class=3D"">It would have good if when they made them if all the same =
wrench
size. It is a PIA, 3 diff. sizes. <br class=3D"">

</dd><dd class=3D"">met 3 cents. <br class=3D"">

</dd><dd class=3D"">paul o</dd></dl></blockquote></blockquote>
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<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"cite" cite=3D"">
<dl class=3D"">
<dd class=3D"">On May 21, 2020, at 4:11 PM, Robert's New iPad via Mgs
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
wrote:<br class=3D"">

</dd><dd class=3D"">&nbsp; One kind lister recommended Speed Bleeders a =
couple of weeks
ago, and I bought them for my MGB, SB 3824 for front brakes, SB 1428 for
rear, and SB 71620 for the clutch.&nbsp; It was time to change the
hydraulic fluid, so seemed opportune to install these.
</dd><dd class=3D"">&nbsp; Thanks for the recommendation.&nbsp; They =
made the job quick
and neat.
</dd><dd class=3D"">&nbsp; Instructions are OK, but let me add that one =
should try to
pinch the brake lines with ViceGrips to minimise loss of fluid, and =
pinch
the clutch line even if you don=E2=80=99t do the others.&nbsp;&nbsp; All =
three
SBs were of different wrench size from original bleed screws.&nbsp; Have
wrenches ready for both sizes.
</dd><dd class=3D"">&nbsp; We had two cars to do, hence had two people. =
What the observer
learned, watching from underneath, was that three pumps for each wheel
will bring clear, clean fluid to both front and rear brakes.&nbsp;=20
</dd><dd class=3D"">&nbsp;$38 well spent.
</dd><dd class=3D"">Bob=20
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On both of mine the clutch and caliper nipples are the same hex size.

Wheel cylinders are quite a bit smaller so not surprising the bleed =
nipples are smaller.

How tight do you need them to be?  If they round-off it's the screw that =
is the problem.  Use a socket for initial loosening and final =
tightening, in my 3/8" drive socket set they go down to 4mm and 3/16".

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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Wheel cylinders are quite a bit smaller so not =
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>How tight do you need&nbsp;them to be?&nbsp; If they =
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loosening and=20
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They need to be tight enough not to leak while someone is pumping the brakes=
. You can=E2=80=99t bleed with a socket on it. The problem is that the crapp=
y bleed screws that are inappropriately metric because they are made in Asia=
 also have crappy threads, a crappy seat, and are made of crappy metal.=20

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 23, 2020, at 12:57 AM, PaulHunt73 via Mgs <[email-masked]> wrot=
e:
> Wheel cylinders are quite a bit smaller so not surprising the bleed nipple=
s are smaller.
> =20
> How tight do you need them to be?  If they round-off it's the screw that i=
s the problem.  Use a socket for initial loosening and final tightening, in m=
y 3/8" drive socket set they go down to 4mm and 3/16".
> I can see why =E2=80=94 it is a uselessly tiny size. Appropriate for fine i=
nstruments, perhaps, but seriously undersized for anything that needs actual=
 tightening, like a bleed screw. =20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">They need to be tight enough not to leak wh=
ile someone is pumping the brakes. You can=E2=80=99t bleed with a socket on i=
t. The problem is that the crappy bleed screws that are inappropriately metr=
ic because they are made in Asia also have crappy threads, a crappy seat, an=
d are made of crappy metal.&nbsp;<br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature" dir=3D=
"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On May 23, 2020, at 12:5=
7 AM, PaulHunt73 via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mgs@autox=
.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"=
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r nipples=20
are the same hex size.</font></font></div><font size=3D"2">
</font><div><font size=3D"2">
<div><font size=3D"2"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font size=3D"2">Wheel cylinders are quite a bit smaller so not surpris=
ing the=20
bleed nipples are smaller.</font></div></font></div></font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font size=3D"2">How tight do you need&nbsp;them to be?&nbsp; If they r=
ound-off=20
it's the screw that is the problem.&nbsp; Use a socket for initial loosening=
 and=20
final tightening, in&nbsp;my 3/8" drive socket set they go down to 4mm and=20=

3/16".</font></div>
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<div><font size=3D"2">PaulH.</font></div>
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  size. Appropriate for fine instruments, perhaps, but seriously undersized f=
or=20
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You can get result by putting together you own bleeder.  Plus you won=E2=80=99=
t make a mess.=20
I got this idea from a book on auto repair back in the 1960s and I=E2=80=99v=
e been using it ever since both at home and in a shop professionally.=20
You will need a Clear 20oz soda bottle, 18=E2=80=9D or so of rubber hose tha=
t fits snugly on the bleed screw, a couple feet of mechanics wire or a zip t=
ie and a coat hanger.=20
Secure the end of the hose just off the bottom of the bottle. Use the mechan=
ics wire or pop a couple of holes for the zip tie. Make sure not to pinch of=
f the hose. Use the rest of the wire or hanger to fashion a hook.=20
Hang the bottle somewhere under the car. Run the hose to the bleeder. This i=
s the important part, the hose has to go up above the level of the bleed scr=
ew before it goes into the bottle.=20
Crack the bleed screw just enough to allow the fluid to come out. Pump the b=
rakes and top up as needed. When you see clear fluid with no bubbles close t=
he bleed screw and you are done.=20
Rick

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> On May 23, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Osborne, Paul via Mgs <[email-masked]> wr=
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> =EF=BB=BF When they first came out I tried a set, I threw them away for al=
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>> On May 23, 2020, at 7:07 PM, Max Heim via Mgs <[email-masked]> wrote:=

>>=20
>> They need to be tight enough not to leak while someone is pumping the bra=
kes. You can=E2=80=99t bleed with a socket on it. The problem is that the cr=
appy bleed screws that are inappropriately metric because they are made in A=
sia also have crappy threads, a crappy seat, and are made of crappy metal.=20=

>>=20
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On May 23, 2020, at 12:57 AM, PaulHunt73 via Mgs <[email-masked]> wr=
ote:
>>> Wheel cylinders are quite a bit smaller so not surprising the bleed nipp=
les are smaller.
>>> =20
>>> How tight do you need them to be?  If they round-off it's the screw that=
 is the problem.  Use a socket for initial loosening and final tightening, i=
n my 3/8" drive socket set they go down to 4mm and 3/16".
>>> I can see why =E2=80=94 it is a uselessly tiny size. Appropriate for fin=
e instruments, perhaps, but seriously undersized for anything that needs act=
ual tightening, like a bleed screw.=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">You can get result by putting together you o=
wn bleeder. &nbsp;Plus you won=E2=80=99t make a mess.&nbsp;<div>I got this i=
dea from a book on auto repair back in the 1960s and I=E2=80=99ve been using=
 it ever since both at home and in a shop professionally.&nbsp;</div><div>Yo=
u will need a Clear 20oz soda bottle, 18=E2=80=9D or so of rubber hose that f=
its snugly on the bleed screw, a couple feet of mechanics wire or a zip tie a=
nd a coat hanger.&nbsp;</div><div>Secure the end of the hose just off the bo=
ttom of the bottle. Use the mechanics wire or pop a couple of holes for the z=
ip tie. Make sure not to pinch off the hose. Use the rest of the wire or han=
ger to fashion a hook.&nbsp;</div><div>Hang the bottle somewhere under the c=
ar. Run the hose to the bleeder. This is the important part, the hose has to=
 go up above the level of the bleed screw before it goes into the bottle.&nb=
sp;</div><div>Crack the bleed screw just enough to allow the fluid to come o=
ut. Pump the brakes and top up as needed. When you see clear fluid with no b=
ubbles close the bleed screw and you are done.&nbsp;</div><div>Rick<br><br><=
div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote ty=
pe=3D"cite">On May 23, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Osborne, Paul via Mgs &lt;mgs@autox=
.team.net&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><di=
v dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF

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When they first came out I tried a set, I threw them away for all the same r=
easons.&nbsp;
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</div>
<div class=3D"">paul o</div>
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</div>
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<div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">On May 23, 2020, at 7:07 PM, Max Heim via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</di=
v>
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ng: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transfo=
rm: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text=
-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">The=
y
 need to be tight enough not to leak while someone is pumping the brakes. Yo=
u can=E2=80=99t bleed with a socket on it. The problem is that the crappy bl=
eed screws that are inappropriately metric because they are made in Asia als=
o have crappy threads, a crappy seat,
 and are made of crappy metal.&nbsp;</span><br style=3D"font-family: Helveti=
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On May 23, 2020, at 12:57 AM, PaulHunt73 via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@a=
utox.team.net" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=3D"">
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ont-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-sp=
acing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-tran=
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<div class=3D""><font size=3D"2" class=3D""><font size=3D"2" class=3D"">On b=
oth of mine the clutch and caliper nipples are the same hex size.</font></fo=
nt></div>
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<div class=3D""><font size=3D"2" class=3D""></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D""><font size=3D"2" class=3D"">Wheel cylinders are quite a bit s=
maller so not surprising the bleed nipples are smaller.</font></div>
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</font></div>
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<div class=3D""><font size=3D"2" class=3D"">How tight do you need&nbsp;them t=
o be?&nbsp; If they round-off it's the screw that is the problem.&nbsp; Use a=
 socket for initial loosening and final tightening, in&nbsp;my 3/8" drive so=
cket set they go down to 4mm and 3/16".</font></div>
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struments, perhaps, but seriously undersized for anything that needs actual t=
ightening, like a bleed screw.<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</=
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Funny.  I=E2=80=99ve been using them for years on a dozen different cars =
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When they first came out I tried a set, I threw them away for all the =
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They need to be tight enough not to leak while someone is pumping the =
brakes. You can=E2=80=99t bleed with a socket on it. The problem is that =
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I can see why =E2=80=94 it is a uselessly tiny size. Appropriate for =
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class=3DMsoNormal>Funny.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve been using them for years on =
a dozen different cars and always had good results.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Mgs =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Osborne, Paul via =
Mgs<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, May 23, 2020 8:25 PM<br><b>To:</b> Max =
Heim &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mgs] Speed =
Bleeders<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>When they =
first came out I tried a set, I threw them away for all the same =
reasons.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>paul o<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On May 23, 2020, at 7:07 PM, Max Heim via Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>They need =
to be tight enough not to leak while someone is pumping the brakes. You =
can=E2=80=99t bleed with a socket on it. The problem is that the crappy =
bleed screws that are inappropriately metric because they are made in =
Asia also have crappy threads, a crappy seat, and are made of crappy =
metal.&nbsp;<br style=3D'font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: =
auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: =
0px;word-spacing:0px'><br></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Sent from =
my iPhone<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:13.5pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><br>On May =
23, 2020, at 12:57 AM, PaulHunt73 via Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;font-variant-caps: =
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class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>On both of =
mine the clutch and caliper nipples are the same hex =
size.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>&nbsp;<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Wheel =
cylinders are quite a bit smaller so not surprising the bleed nipples =
are smaller.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>&nbsp;<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>How tight =
do you need&nbsp;them to be?&nbsp; If they round-off it's the screw that =
is the problem.&nbsp; Use a socket for initial loosening and final =
tightening, in&nbsp;my 3/8&quot; drive socket set they go down to 4mm =
and 3/16&quot;.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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Sorry, I think this went sidewise. I wasn=E2=80=99t talking about SPEED =
bleeders, just stupidly sized bleed screws in general.

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> On May 23, 2020, at 7:33 PM, dave via Mgs <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Funny.  I=E2=80=99ve been using them for years on a dozen different =
cars and always had good results.
Mgs
same reasons. =20
>>> On both of mine the clutch and caliper nipples are the same hex =
size.
nipples are smaller.
>>> =20
>>> How tight do you need them to be?  If they round-off it's the screw =
that is the problem.  Use a socket for initial loosening and final =
tightening, in my 3/8" drive socket set they go down to 4mm and 3/16".
>>>> I can see why =E2=80=94 it is a uselessly tiny size. Appropriate =
for fine instruments, perhaps, but seriously undersized for anything =
that needs actual tightening, like a bleed screw.=20
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class=3D"">Sorry, I think this went sidewise. I wasn=E2=80=99t talking =
about SPEED bleeders, just stupidly sized bleed screws in general.<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">--</div><div class=3D"">Max Heim</div><div class=3D""><a =
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<div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On May 23, 2020, at 7:33 PM, dave via Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, =
0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;"><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Funny.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99ve been using them for years on a =
dozen different cars and always had good results.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"border-style: =
solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, =
225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">From:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><b class=3D"">On Behalf =
Of<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Osborne, Paul =
via Mgs<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Saturday, May 23, 2020 8:25 =
PM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Max Heim &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Cc:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a><br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Mgs] Speed =
Bleeders<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">When they first came out I tried a set, I threw them away for =
all the same reasons.&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">paul o<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div =
class=3D""><blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" =
class=3D"" type=3D"cite"><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">On May 23, 2020, at 7:07 PM, Max Heim via Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 13.5pt; =
font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">They need to be tight =
enough not to leak while someone is pumping the brakes. You can=E2=80=99t =
bleed with a socket on it. The problem is that the crappy bleed screws =
that are inappropriately metric because they are made in Asia also have =
crappy threads, a crappy seat, and are made of crappy metal.&nbsp;<br =
style=3D"font-variant-caps: normal; text-align: start; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-spacing: 0px;" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 13.5pt; =
font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Sent from my iPhone<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
 style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 13.5pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><br class=3D"">On May 23, 2020, at 12:57 AM, =
PaulHunt73 via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 5pt; =
margin-bottom: 5pt; font-variant-caps: normal; text-align: start; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-spacing: 0px;" class=3D"" =
type=3D"cite"><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">On both of mine the =
clutch and caliper nipples are the same hex size.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">Wheel cylinders are quite a bit smaller so not =
surprising the bleed nipples are smaller.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 13.5pt; =
font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">How tight do you need&nbsp;them to be?&nbsp; If =
they round-off it's the screw that is the problem.&nbsp; Use a socket =
for initial loosening and final tightening, in&nbsp;my 3/8" drive socket =
set they go down to 4mm and 3/16".</span><span style=3D"font-size: =
13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">PaulH.</span><span style=3D"font-size: 13.5pt; =
font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
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sans-serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><blockquote style=3D"border-style: =
none none none solid; border-left-width: 1.5pt; border-left-color: =
black; padding: 0in 0in 0in 4pt; margin: 5pt 0in 5pt 3.75pt;" class=3D"" =
type=3D"cite"><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">----- Original Message -----<span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
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size. Appropriate for fine instruments, perhaps, but seriously =
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From: Hans Duinhoven via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 11:22:44 +0200

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I like this! The current corona crisis made us aware, that low prices are n=
ot the holy grail!

Cheers!

Hans

Van: Mgs [mailto:[email-masked]] Namens Max Heim via Mgs
Verzonden: zondag 24 mei 2020 1:07
Aan: PaulHunt73; [email-masked]
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Speed Bleeders

They need to be tight enough not to leak while someone is pumping the brake=
s. You can=E2=80=99t bleed with a socket on it. The problem is that the cra=
ppy bleed screws that are inappropriately metric because they are made in A=
sia also have crappy threads, a crappy seat, and are made of crappy metal. =

Sent from my iPhone

On May 23, 2020, at 12:57 AM, PaulHunt73 via Mgs <[email-masked]> wrote=
:

Wheel cylinders are quite a bit smaller so not surprising the bleed nipples=
 are smaller.

How tight do you need them to be?  If they round-off it's the screw that is=
 the problem.  Use a socket for initial loosening and final tightening, in =
my 3/8" drive socket set they go down to 4mm and 3/16".

PaulH.

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I can see why =E2=80=94 it is a uselessly tiny size. Appropriate for fine i=
nstruments, perhaps, but seriously undersized for anything that needs actua=
l tightening, like a bleed screw. 

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'>I like this! The current corona crisis made us aware, that low prices are=
 not the holy grail!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=
=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color=
:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-=
US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F49=
7D'>Cheers!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US st=
yle=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>H=
ans<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'f=
ont-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'fon=
t-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Van:</span></b><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Mgs [mailto:mgs-bo=
[email-masked]] <b>Namens </b>Max Heim via Mgs<br><b>Verzonden:</b> z=
ondag 24 mei 2020 1:07<br><b>Aan:</b> PaulHunt73; [email-masked]<br><b>=
Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Speed Bleeders<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margi=
n-bottom:12.0pt'>They need to be tight enough not to leak while someone is =
pumping the brakes. You can=E2=80=99t bleed with a socket on it. The proble=
m is that the crappy bleed screws that are inappropriately metric because t=
hey are made in Asia also have crappy threads, a crappy seat, and are made =
of crappy metal.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div id=3DAppleMailSignature><p class=
=3DMsoNormal>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNor=
mal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On May 23, 2020, at 12:57 AM, PaulHu=
nt73 via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</=
a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;mar=
gin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-s=
ize:10.0pt'>On both of mine the clutch and caliper nipples are the same hex=
 size.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span styl=
e=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMs=
oNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Wheel cylinders are quite a bit sm=
aller so not surprising the bleed nipples are smaller.<o:p></o:p></span></p=
></div></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><di=
v><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>How tight do you ne=
ed&nbsp;them to be?&nbsp; If they round-off it's the screw that is the prob=
lem.&nbsp; Use a socket for initial loosening and final tightening, in&nbsp=
;my 3/8&quot; drive socket set they go down to 4mm and 3/16&quot;.</span><o=
:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><di=
v><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>PaulH.</span><o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p=
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MsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'=
>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DM=
soNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I can see why =E2=
=80=94 it is a uselessly tiny size. Appropriate for fine instruments, perha=
ps, but seriously undersized for anything that needs actual tightening, lik=
e a bleed screw. <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></blockquote><blockquote=
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I said "Use a socket for initial loosening and final tightening"

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open and initially close them while the bleed tube is fitted.

  ... You can=E2=80=99t bleed with a socket on it. ...
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I said "Use a socket for initial loosening and final =

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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I really didn't think I&nbsp;also needed to&nbsp;say =
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