Subject: Re: [Mgs] Speed Bleeders

From: Max Heim via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 10:47:55 -0700

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Yes, I knew what you meant. It is not convenient to constantly change tools w=
hen one is dealing with a nasty corrosive liquid, rubber hoses and glass jar=
s. Every time you disengage the hose, all the fluid escapes, requiring that m=
any more pumps the next time. One cannot always know when the circuit has be=
en adequately bled until one tightens every bleeder and tests the pedal. One=
 frequently has to repeat the process at each wheel. This is why a tiny, fra=
gile hex on the bleeder is a particular annoyance, and one that should be en=
tirely unnecessary.

Sent from my iPad

> On May 24, 2020, at 3:05 AM, PaulHunt73 via Mgs <[email-masked]> wrote=
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> I said "Use a socket for initial loosening and final tightening"
> =20
> I really didn't think I also needed to say to use a spanner to finally ope=
n and initially close them while the bleed tube is fitted.
> =20
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> ... You can=E2=80=99t bleed with a socket on it. ...
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><br>Yes, I knew what you meant. It is not c=
onvenient to constantly change tools when one is dealing with a nasty corros=
ive liquid, rubber hoses and glass jars. Every time you disengage the hose, a=
ll the fluid escapes, requiring that many more pumps the next time. One cann=
ot always know when the circuit has been adequately bled until one tightens e=
very bleeder and tests the pedal. One frequently has to repeat the process a=
t each wheel. This is why a tiny, fragile hex on the bleeder is a particular=
 annoyance, and one that should be entirely unnecessary.<div><br><div><br></=
div><div><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPad</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><b=
lockquote type=3D"cite">On May 24, 2020, at 3:05 AM, PaulHunt73 via Mgs &lt;=
[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"=
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<div><font size=3D"2">I said "Use a socket for initial loosening and final=20=

tightening"</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font size=3D"2">I really didn't think I&nbsp;also needed to&nbsp;say t=
o use a=20
spanner to finally open and initially close them while the&nbsp;bleed tube i=
s=20
fitted.</font><font size=3D"2"></font></div>
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  <div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div>
  <div><font size=3D"2"></font><br></div>... You can=E2=80=99t bleed with a s=
ocket on it.=20
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From: Dan DiBiase <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 10:15:28 -0400

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Happy Memorial Day to all US listers......

I'm curious - I assume the same brake bleeding process has to be done for
more modern cars - has there really been no technology upgrade in this area
since the '60's?

Dan D
Central NJ USA
http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/

On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 1:57 PM Max Heim via Mgs <[email-masked]> wrote=
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>
> Yes, I knew what you meant. It is not convenient to constantly change
> tools when one is dealing with a nasty corrosive liquid, rubber hoses and
> glass jars. Every time you disengage the hose, all the fluid escapes,
> requiring that many more pumps the next time. One cannot always know when
> the circuit has been adequately bled until one tightens every bleeder and
> tests the pedal. One frequently has to repeat the process at each wheel.
> This is why a tiny, fragile hex on the bleeder is a particular annoyance,
> and one that should be entirely unnecessary.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 24, 2020, at 3:05 AM, PaulHunt73 via Mgs <[email-masked]>
> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BF
> I really didn't think I also needed to say to use a spanner to finally
> open and initially close them while the bleed tube is fitted.
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Happy Memorial Day to all US listers......<div><br></div><=
div>I&#39;m curious - I assume the same brake bleeding process has to be do=
ne for more modern cars - has there really been no technology upgrade in th=
is area since the &#39;60&#39;s?</div><div><br></div><div>Dan D</div><div>C=
entral NJ USA<br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signatu=
re" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><a href=3D"http://d=
andibiase.cbintouch.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com=
/</a></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 1:57 PM Max Heim v=
ia Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px =
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=
=3D"auto"><br>Yes, I knew what you meant. It is not convenient to constantl=
y change tools when one is dealing with a nasty corrosive liquid, rubber ho=
ses and glass jars. Every time you disengage the hose, all the fluid escape=
s, requiring that many more pumps the next time. One cannot always know whe=
n the circuit has been adequately bled until one tightens every bleeder and=
 tests the pedal. One frequently has to repeat the process at each wheel. T=
his is why a tiny, fragile hex on the bleeder is a particular annoyance, an=
d one that should be entirely unnecessary.<div><br><div><br></div><div><br>=
<div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPad</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote ty=
pe=3D"cite">On May 24, 2020, at 3:05 AM, PaulHunt73 via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wro=
te:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=
=EF=BB=BF

<div><font size=3D"2">I said &quot;Use a socket for initial loosening and f=
inal=20
tightening&quot;</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"2">I really didn&#39;t think I=C2=A0also needed to=C2=A0=
say to use a=20
spanner to finally open and initially close them while the=C2=A0bleed tube =
is=20
fitted.</font><font size=3D"2"></font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2"></font>=C2=A0</div>
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  <div style=3D"font:10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div>
  <div><font size=3D"2"></font><br></div>... You can=E2=80=99t bleed with a=
 socket on it.=20
...</blockquote>
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From: "PaulHunt73" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 08:19:02 +0100 R14czwriDkz/JiphRzce/XkvjTnAQfy6s9nYWgPetUm8eF63JTfiDW7E

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I really don't understand the problem, I must be missing something.  One =
fits the hose, opens the bleeder, bleeds, closes the bleeder, and =
removes the tube.  The only fluid that escapes is that which has been =
pushed out of the system and will be discarded.  What tool you use to =
open and close the bleeder has no effect on that.

Using whatever tool works best for the job in hand is just common-sense =
to me.  I'll frequently use a socket to crack nuts and bolts in many =
places on the car for its strength, then switch to a ratchet ring =
spanner to remove them for its speed.

The only repeat bleeding I have to do is at the calipers using EeziBleed =
for low-pressure bleeding, then high-pressure bleeding with someone =
pressing down hard on the pedal while I rapidly open and shut each =
caliper nipple in turn which always blasts a bit more air out.

And no, modern cars are no different if my 'modern' 2004 ZS180 is =
anything to go by.

  ----- Original Message -----=20

  Yes, I knew what you meant. It is not convenient to constantly change =
tools when one is dealing with a nasty corrosive liquid, rubber hoses =
and glass jars. Every time you disengage the hose, all the fluid =
escapes, requiring that many more pumps the next time.
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bolts=20
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ring=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>The only repeat bleeding I have to do is at the =
calipers using=20
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someone=20
pressing down hard on the pedal while I rapidly open and shut each =
caliper=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>And no, modern cars are no different if my 'modern' =
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It is not=20
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From: "Osborne, Paul" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 10:57:40 +0000

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Yes Paul I agree. What is all the fuss about. This is not rocket science. T=
he process has been around for along time and it works.

paul o

[email-masked]>> wrote:

I really don't understand the problem, I must be missing something.  One fi=
ts the hose, opens the bleeder, bleeds, closes the bleeder, and removes the=
 tube.  The only fluid that escapes is that which has been pushed out of th=
e system and will be discarded.  What tool you use to open and close the bl=
eeder has no effect on that.

Using whatever tool works best for the job in hand is just common-sense to =
me.  I'll frequently use a socket to crack nuts and bolts in many places on=
 the car for its strength, then switch to a ratchet ring spanner to remove =
them for its speed.

The only repeat bleeding I have to do is at the calipers using EeziBleed fo=
r low-pressure bleeding, then high-pressure bleeding with someone pressing =
down hard on the pedal while I rapidly open and shut each caliper nipple in=
 turn which always blasts a bit more air out.

And no, modern cars are no different if my 'modern' 2004 ZS180 is anything =
to go by.

----- Original Message -----

Yes, I knew what you meant. It is not convenient to constantly change tools=
 when one is dealing with a nasty corrosive liquid, rubber hoses and glass =
jars. Every time you disengage the hose, all the fluid escapes, requiring t=
hat many more pumps the next time.
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Yes Paul I agree. What is all the fuss about. This is not rocket science. T=
he process has been around for along time and it works.&nbsp;
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<div class=3D"">On May 26, 2020, at 3:19 AM, PaulHunt73 &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt=
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<div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orp=
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: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=3D"">
<font size=3D"2" class=3D"">I really don't understand the problem, I must b=
e missing something.&nbsp; One fits the hose, opens the bleeder, bleeds, cl=
oses the bleeder, and removes the tube.&nbsp; The only fluid that escapes i=
s that which has been pushed out of the system
 and will be discarded.&nbsp; What tool you use to open and close the bleed=
er has no effect on that.</font></div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orp=
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<font size=3D"2" class=3D""></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; =
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hans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; whit=
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: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=3D"">
<font size=3D"2" class=3D"">Using whatever tool works best for the job in h=
and is just common-sense to me.&nbsp; I'll frequently use a socket to crack=
 nuts and bolts in many places on the car for its strength, then switch to =
a ratchet ring spanner to remove them for
 its speed.</font></div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orp=
hans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; whit=
e-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width=
: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=3D"">
<font size=3D"2" class=3D""></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orp=
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e-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width=
: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=3D"">
<font size=3D"2" class=3D"">The only repeat bleeding I have to do is at the=
 calipers using EeziBleed for low-pressure bleeding, then high-pressure ble=
eding with someone pressing down hard on the pedal while I rapidly open and=
 shut each caliper nipple in turn which
 always blasts a bit more air out.</font></div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orp=
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All I am saying is, just try it with one of those crappy 7mm bleed =
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> On May 26, 2020, at 12:19 AM, PaulHunt73 <[email-masked]> =
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> I really don't understand the problem, I must be missing something.  =
One fits the hose, opens the bleeder, bleeds, closes the bleeder, and =
removes the tube.  The only fluid that escapes is that which has been =
pushed out of the system and will be discarded.  What tool you use to =
open and close the bleeder has no effect on that.
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common-sense to me.  I'll frequently use a socket to crack nuts and =
bolts in many places on the car for its strength, then switch to a =
ratchet ring spanner to remove them for its speed.
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> The only repeat bleeding I have to do is at the calipers using =
EeziBleed for low-pressure bleeding, then high-pressure bleeding with =
someone pressing down hard on the pedal while I rapidly open and shut =
each caliper nipple in turn which always blasts a bit more air out.
anything to go by.
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I am saying is, just try it with one of those crappy 7mm bleed screws =
and you will be complaining loudly yourself.<div class=3D""><br =
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<div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On May 26, 2020, at 12:19 AM, PaulHunt73 &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
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text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><font size=3D"2" class=3D"">I really =
don't understand the problem, I must be missing something.&nbsp; One =
fits the hose, opens the bleeder, bleeds, closes the bleeder, and =
removes the tube.&nbsp; The only fluid that escapes is that which has =
been pushed out of the system and will be discarded.&nbsp; What tool you =
use to open and close the bleeder has no effect on =
that.</font></div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
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rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><font size=3D"2" =
class=3D""></font>&nbsp;</div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
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background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D""><font size=3D"2" class=3D"">Using whatever tool works best =
for the job in hand is just common-sense to me.&nbsp; I'll frequently =
use a socket to crack nuts and bolts in many places on the car for its =
strength, then switch to a ratchet ring spanner to remove them for its =
speed.</font></div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: =
rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><font size=3D"2" =
class=3D""></font>&nbsp;</div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D""><font size=3D"2" class=3D"">The only repeat bleeding I have =
to do is at the calipers using EeziBleed for low-pressure bleeding, then =
high-pressure bleeding with someone pressing down hard on the pedal =
while I rapidly open and shut each caliper nipple in turn which always =
blasts a bit more air out.</font></div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, =
0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D""><font size=3D"2" class=3D""></font>&nbsp;</div><div =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
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text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><font size=3D"2" class=3D"">And no, =
modern cars are no different if my 'modern' 2004 ZS180 is anything to go =
by.</font></div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
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class=3D""></font>&nbsp;</div><blockquote dir=3D"ltr" =
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font-family: arial;" class=3D"">----- Original Message -----</div><div =
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class=3D"">Yes, I knew what you meant. It is not convenient to =
constantly change tools when one is dealing with a nasty corrosive =
liquid, rubber hoses and glass jars. Every time you disengage the hose, =
all the fluid escapes, requiring that many more pumps the next =
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