Subject: Re: [Mgs] dashboard install

From: Max Heim via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 17:35:56 -0700

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I=E2=80=99m not familiar with the MGA, but with my steel dash MGB, I =
installed the naked dash first.

It=E2=80=99s not that hard to install the switches and gauges into the =
dash panel, but it IS hard to hook up the wires, etc. blindly from under =
the dash. For example, it may be easier to hook up the tach and the dash =
lamps with the speedometer out, so you can reach in the big hole. And =
since the switches install from the back, it=E2=80=99s easier to hook =
the loose switch up to the harness, then poke it through the dash, =
compared to trying to hook up the blade connectors blindly, or trying to =
peer up while laying on the floor.

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> On Apr 17, 2020, at 5:02 PM, dave via Mgs <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> 1959 MGA with an MGB engine.  I am pretty sure it was once a 1500
> =20
> We took the body apart and everything off.  Am finishing up the =
chassis and looking forward (and dreading) putting it all back together
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> My question =E2=80=93 should I build the dashboard with the gauges and =
switches before mating it to the body, or put it all in after?
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> Seems to me the first choice makes more sense. =20
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class=3D"">I=E2=80=99m not familiar with the MGA, but with my steel dash =
MGB, I installed the naked dash first.<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">It=E2=80=99s not that hard to install =
the switches and gauges into the dash panel, but it IS hard to hook up =
the wires, etc. blindly from under the dash. For example, it may be =
easier to hook up the tach and the dash lamps with the speedometer out, =
so you can reach in the big hole. And since the switches install from =
the back, it=E2=80=99s easier to hook the loose switch up to the =
harness, then poke it through the dash, compared to trying to hook up =
the blade connectors blindly, or trying to peer up while laying on the =
floor.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">
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font-size: 13px;" class=3D"">'66 MGB</div></div></div>
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<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Apr 17, 2020, at 5:02 PM, dave via Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
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Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">1959 MGA with an MGB engine.&nbsp; I am pretty sure it was =
once a 1500<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">We took the body apart and everything off.&nbsp; Am finishing =
up the chassis and looking forward (and dreading) putting it all back =
together<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">My question =E2=80=93 should I build the dashboard with the =
gauges and switches before mating it to the body, or put it all in =
after?<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
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From: Barney Gaylord via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 21:12:37 -0400

You can build the dash complete on the workbench 
(except for the dual gauge), and even install the 
dash harness.  Then take it to the car to sit on 
the tunnel with dash face down in your lap while 
you connect the main harness.  Then present the 
dash to the car and install three top bracket 
screws with large flat washers and lockwashers 
(may need to dislodge one of the larger 
instruments for access to one of the 
screws).  Then install four bottom 
braces.  Lastly install the safety gauge, running 
the temperaure sensor bulb throiugh the dash and 
through the firewall to the engine.  Also connect 
the oil pressure sensor pipe to the dual 
gauge.  Lastly tidy up under the dash with two 
frewall clips each for the temperature sensor 
pipe and oil pressure signal pipe, and a couple 
of rubber harness ties.  Don't forget rubber 
rings behind the instruments and rubber grommets 
(or plugs) in every firewall hole.

Well, before you install the dash, do caulk and 
seal the air gap at top of the firewall.  60 
years earlier there was a felt packing strip in that gap.

Barney

At 08:02 PM 4/17/2020, dave via Mgs wrote:
>....
>We took the body apart and everything off.  Am 
>finishing up the chassis and looking forward 
>(and dreading) putting it all back together
>
>My question – should I build the dashboard with 
>the gauges and switches before mating it to the body, or put it all in after?
>
>Seems to me the first choice makes more sense.

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From: David Breneman via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 15:44:39 +0000 (UTC)

On Friday, April 17, 2020, 5:02:09 PM PDT, dave via Mgs <[email-masked]> wrote:

> My question – should I build the dashboard with the gauges and

That's how they did it at the factory:

http://tildebang.com/mg/images/hist-dashboard.jpg

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From: Barrie Robinson via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 14:04:14 -0400

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Been there done that - Put dash altogether then install.   Don' forget 
mounting rubber O-rings (which I sell as a hobby!!) as well as internal 
ones as they tend to morph into space age glue (also sell!!)  If you 
have the dash that has the warning lights up in a row make sure those 
are firmly housed otherwise they will pop out later

Cheers
Barrie

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    <font size="-1"><font face="Arial">Been there done that - Put dash
        altogether then install.   Don' forget mounting rubber O-rings
        (which I sell as a hobby!!) as well as internal ones as they
        tend to morph into space age glue (also sell!!)  If you have the
        dash that has the warning lights up in a row make sure those are
        firmly housed otherwise they will pop out later<br>
        <br>
        Cheers<br>
        Barrie<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/18/2020 11:44 AM, David Breneman
      via Mgs wrote:<br>
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      <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">On Friday, April 17, 2020, 5:02:09 PM PDT, dave via Mgs <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> wrote:

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        <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">My question – should I build the dashboard with the gauges and
switches before mating it to the body, or put it all in after?
 
Seems to me the first choice makes more sense. 
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That's how they did it at the factory:

<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://tildebang.com/mg/images/hist-dashboard.jpg">http://tildebang.com/mg/images/hist-dashboard.jpg</a>

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From: Richard Lindsay via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 07:42:36 -0500

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   Perhaps I'm the only guy who enjoys wiring and electrical systems! I
just find it rewarding to get everything connected correctly and the
harness bits aligned. Go figure!
   My TD is simplicity itself but the other LBC project takes some
thinking. It's a US specification 1975 TR6. And as we all know, the '70s
was a time of turmoil for our LBCs; None the least of which was the
electrics! Part of my goal with this car is to create a CORRECT wiring
diagram with CORRECT color codes! Nothing I have found published matches my
car, including the schematics labeled 'U.S.A. Only'.
   Still, for a guy like me who builds and restores cars rather than
driving them, this is a perfect challenge (storm?)! There are other
projects in the queue too, but they are even further OT than Triumph
talk...so I will leave Volvo, Lancia, and Jaguar words for others.

Rick, in Houston

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<div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0Perhaps I&#39;m the only guy who enjoys wiri=
ng and electrical systems! I just find it rewarding to get everything conne=
cted correctly and the harness bits aligned. Go figure!<div dir=3D"auto">=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0My TD is simplicity itself but the other LBC project takes som=
e thinking. It&#39;s a US specification 1975 TR6. And as we all know, the &=
#39;70s was a time of turmoil for our LBCs; None the least of which was the=
 electrics! Part of my goal with this car is to create a CORRECT wiring dia=
gram with CORRECT color codes! Nothing I have found published matches my ca=
r, including the schematics labeled &#39;U.S.A. Only&#39;.</div><div dir=3D=
"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0Still, for a guy like me who builds and restores cars r=
ather than driving them, this is a perfect challenge (storm?)! There are ot=
her projects in the queue too, but they are even further OT than Triumph ta=
lk...so I will leave Volvo, Lancia, and Jaguar words for others.</div><div =
dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Rick, in Houston</div></div>

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Hello Rick and fellow bodies,

When I built my MGB GT V8 (none available in N America) I knew as a 
non-factory built car it would never be regarded as a 'real' V8.  So 
some modifications were made such as SD1 gearbox and down draft Weber 
(actually sold in NA as Edelbrock because brand Weber not well known in 
NA!).     But major 'upgrade' was point to point wiring with fuses and 
solenoids as per Dan Master's design (see British V8 Newsletter May-Aug 
2001)   Thus little fear of difficult to solve electric problems 
although it did mean more wire.   There had never been an electrical 
problem except a high-torque starter (never buy a cheap one).   The 
mechanic who looks after the car loves the wiring.

Cheers
Barrie

On 4/21/2020 8:42 AM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs wrote:
>    Perhaps I'm the only guy who enjoys wiring and electrical systems! 
> I just find it rewarding to get everything connected correctly and the 
> thinking. It's a US specification 1975 TR6. And as we all know, the 
> '70s was a time of turmoil for our LBCs; None the least of which was 
> the electrics! Part of my goal with this car is to create a CORRECT 
> wiring diagram with CORRECT color codes! Nothing I have found 
> published matches my car, including the schematics labeled 'U.S.A. Only'.

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    <font size="-1"><font face="Arial">Hello Rick and fellow bodies,  <br>
        <br>
        When I built my MGB GT V8 (none available in N America) I knew
        as a non-factory built car it would never be regarded as a
        'real' V8.  So some modifications were made such as SD1 gearbox
        and down draft Weber (actually sold in NA as Edelbrock because
        brand Weber not well known in NA!).     But major 'upgrade' was
        point to point wiring with fuses and solenoids as per Dan
        Master's design </font></font><font size="-1"><font
        face="Arial">(see British V8 Newsletter May-Aug 2001)   Thus
        little fear of difficult to solve electric problems although it
        did mean more wire.   There had never been an electrical problem
        except a high-torque starter (never buy a cheap one).   The
        mechanic who looks after the car loves the wiring.    <br>
        <br>
        Cheers<br>
        Barrie<br>
      </font></font><br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/21/2020 8:42 AM, Richard Lindsay
      via Mgs wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAOc+-dzjbMhxsHYCJS=[email-masked]">
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      <div dir="auto">   Perhaps I'm the only guy who enjoys wiring and
        electrical systems! I just find it rewarding to get everything
        connected correctly and the harness bits aligned. Go figure!
        <div dir="auto">   My TD is simplicity itself but the other LBC
          project takes some thinking. It's a US specification 1975 TR6.
          And as we all know, the '70s was a time of turmoil for our
          LBCs; None the least of which was the electrics! Part of my
          goal with this car is to create a CORRECT wiring diagram with
          CORRECT color codes! Nothing I have found published matches my
          car, including the schematics labeled 'U.S.A. Only'.</div>
        <div dir="auto">   Still, for a guy like me who builds and
          restores cars rather than driving them, this is a perfect
          challenge (storm?)! There are other projects in the queue too,
          but they are even further OT than Triumph talk...so I will
          leave Volvo, Lancia, and Jaguar words for others.</div>
        <div dir="auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="auto">Rick, in Houston</div>
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In fact I very much enjoy wiring.  I have built entire wiring harnesses =
from scratch, carefully following the color scheme.  I will admit on one =
car I changed it from a 4 fuse system to a 10 fuse system.  Everything =
had its own fuse and everything was grounded directly.  Never an =
electrical problem on that car!

=20

I am now restoring 2 mga=E2=80=99s, albeit one at a time.  I will be =
emulating the factory harness in every way possible, building it from =
scratch.  That takes a lot of research and questions, and Barney has =
been extremely helpful.  Get the right color through the right holes, =
use the connectors in the right places, all a challenge.  Fortunately =
the one is my reference as I do the other.

=20

And, btw, I didn=E2=80=99t start out to restore 2.  Someone offered me a =
deal I couldn=E2=80=99t refuse on the second one, which needed a new =
throw out bearing.  But the paint was wrong and so awful we were going =
to clean it up.  and then . . . .    shipwright=E2=80=99s disease =
totally got me.  The wiring was so bad (the DPO pretty much just used =
red and blue wires) that I cut it out and threw it out.

=20

Today I hope to make some big progress on the chassis (it is half =
restored, as in the back half), and I=E2=80=99ve got parts hanging in =
the side yard that I painted this morning.

=20

From: Mgs <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Richard Lindsay via =
Mgs
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 7:43 AM
To: [email-masked] List <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] dashboard install

=20

   Perhaps I'm the only guy who enjoys wiring and electrical systems! I =
just find it rewarding to get everything connected correctly and the =
harness bits aligned. Go figure!

   My TD is simplicity itself but the other LBC project takes some =
thinking. It's a US specification 1975 TR6. And as we all know, the '70s =
was a time of turmoil for our LBCs; None the least of which was the =
electrics! Part of my goal with this car is to create a CORRECT wiring =
diagram with CORRECT color codes! Nothing I have found published matches =
my car, including the schematics labeled 'U.S.A. Only'.

   Still, for a guy like me who builds and restores cars rather than =
driving them, this is a perfect challenge (storm?)! There are other =
projects in the queue too, but they are even further OT than Triumph =
talk...so I will leave Volvo, Lancia, and Jaguar words for others.

=20

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scheme.=C2=A0 I will admit on one car I changed it from a 4 fuse system =
to a 10 fuse system.=C2=A0 Everything had its own fuse and everything =
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time.=C2=A0 I will be emulating the factory harness in every way =
possible, building it from scratch.=C2=A0 That takes a lot of research =
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2.=C2=A0 Someone offered me a deal I couldn=E2=80=99t refuse on the =
second one, which needed a new throw out bearing.=C2=A0 But the paint =
was wrong and so awful we were going to clean it up.=C2=A0 and then . . =
. .=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 shipwright=E2=80=99s disease totally got me.=C2=A0 =
The wiring was so bad (the DPO pretty much just used red and blue wires) =
that I cut it out and threw it out.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Today I hope =
to make some big progress on the chassis (it is half restored, as in the =
back half), and I=E2=80=99ve got parts hanging in the side yard that I =
painted this morning.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Mgs =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Richard Lindsay =
via Mgs<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 21, 2020 7:43 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
[email-masked] List &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> =
Re: [Mgs] dashboard install<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
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as we all know, the '70s was a time of turmoil for our LBCs; None the =
least of which was the electrics! Part of my goal with this car is to =
create a CORRECT wiring diagram with CORRECT color codes! Nothing I have =
found published matches my car, including the schematics labeled 'U.S.A. =
Only'.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp; &nbsp;Still, =
for a guy like me who builds and restores cars rather than driving them, =
this is a perfect challenge (storm?)! There are other projects in the =
queue too, but they are even further OT than Triumph talk...so I will =
leave Volvo, Lancia, and Jaguar words for =
others.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
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   Great fun and encouraging to read this, Dave. There must be some primal
satisfaction involved. There certainly is for me, even if poorly
understood. My TD got new harnesses. See attached.

   I am now finishing a TR6 and keeping the original harness, but have
replaced most connectors and verified / improved grounds.
   Next up? My 1971 Volvo 1800E project is getting 'new' self-made dash
wiring and engine room harness. Woohoo.

Rick

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 12:09 PM dave via Mgs <[email-masked]> wrote:

> In fact I very much enjoy wiring.  I have built entire wiring harnesses
> from scratch, carefully following the color scheme.  I will admit on one
> car I changed it from a 4 fuse system to a 10 fuse system.  Everything ha=
d
> its own fuse and everything was grounded directly.  Never an electrical
> problem on that car!
>
> I am now restoring 2 mga=E2=80=99s, albeit one at a time.  I will be emul=
ating the
> factory harness in every way possible, building it from scratch.  That
> takes a lot of research and questions, and Barney has been extremely
> helpful.  Get the right color through the right holes, use the connectors
> in the right places, all a challenge.  Fortunately the one is my referenc=
e
> as I do the other.
deal I
> couldn=E2=80=99t refuse on the second one, which needed a new throw out b=
earing.
> But the paint was wrong and so awful we were going to clean it up.  and
> then . . . .    shipwright=E2=80=99s disease totally got me.  The wiring =
was so bad
> (the DPO pretty much just used red and blue wires) that I cut it out and
> threw it out.
>
> Today I hope to make some big progress on the chassis (it is half
> restored, as in the back half), and I=E2=80=99ve got parts hanging in the=
 side yard
> that I painted this morning.
>
> *From:* Mgs *On Behalf Of *Richard Lindsay
>
my
> talk...so I will leave Volvo, Lancia, and Jaguar words for others.

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<div dir=3D"auto"><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0Great fun and encouraging to read this,=
 Dave. There must be some primal satisfaction involved. There certainly is =
for me, even if poorly understood. My TD got new harnesses. See attached.</=
div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0I am now fin=
ishing a TR6 and keeping the original harness, but have replaced most conne=
ctors and verified / improved grounds.</div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0=
Next up? My 1971 Volvo 1800E project is getting &#39;new&#39; self-made das=
h wiring and engine room harness. Woohoo.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div>=
<div dir=3D"auto">Rick<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote" dir=3D"auto"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 12:09 PM dave via Mg=
s &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrot=
e:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"#056=
3C1" vlink=3D"#954F72"><div class=3D"m_1232432743811470486WordSection1"><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">In fact I very much enjoy wiring.=C2=A0 I have built en=
tire wiring harnesses from scratch, carefully following the color scheme.=
=C2=A0 I will admit on one car I changed it from a 4 fuse system to a 10 fu=
se system.=C2=A0 Everything had its own fuse and everything was grounded di=
rectly.=C2=A0 Never an electrical problem on that car!</p><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal">I am now restoring 2 mga=E2=80=99s, albeit one at a time.=C2=A0 I wil=
l be emulating the factory harness in every way possible, building it from =
scratch.=C2=A0 That takes a lot of research and questions, and Barney has b=
een extremely helpful.=C2=A0 Get the right color through the right holes, u=
se the connectors in the right places, all a challenge.=C2=A0 Fortunately t=
he one is my reference as I do the other.</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">And, bt=
w, I didn=E2=80=99t start out to restore 2.=C2=A0 Someone offered me a deal=
 I couldn=E2=80=99t refuse on the second one, which needed a new throw out =
bearing.=C2=A0 But the paint was wrong and so awful we were going to clean =
it up.=C2=A0 and then . . . .=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 shipwright=E2=80=99s diseas=
e totally got me.=C2=A0 The wiring was so bad (the DPO pretty much just use=
d red and blue wires) that I cut it out and threw it out.</p><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal">Today I hope to make some big progress on the chassis (it is half =
restored, as in the back half), and I=E2=80=99ve got parts hanging in the s=
ide yard that I painted this morning.</p><div style=3D"border:none;border-t=
op:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b=
>From:</b> Mgs <b>On Behalf Of </b>Richard Lindsay<br></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0Perhaps I&#39;m the only guy who enjoys wirin=
g and electrical systems! I just find it rewarding to get everything connec=
ted correctly and the harness bits aligned. Go figure!<u></u><u></u></p><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0My TD is simplicity itself but the ot=
her LBC project takes some thinking. It&#39;s a US specification 1975 TR6. =
And as we all know, the &#39;70s was a time of turmoil for our LBCs; None t=
he least of which was the electrics! Part of my goal with this car is to cr=
eate a CORRECT wiring diagram with CORRECT color codes! Nothing I have foun=
d published matches my car, including the schematics labeled &#39;U.S.A. On=
ly&#39;.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0St=
ill, for a guy like me who builds and restores cars rather than driving the=
m, this is a perfect challenge (storm?)! There are other projects in the qu=
eue too, but they are even further OT than Triumph talk...so I will leave V=
olvo, Lancia, and Jaguar words for others.</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
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I am not a huge fan of playing with electrical systems, speaking for =
myself.

When it came to wiring my completely stripped-to-metal MGB roadster, I =
re-used the original harness that I had pulled out of the =E2=80=9Cbarn =
find", on the theory that the copper doesn=E2=80=99t go bad. Since the =
cotton wrap had more or less completely disintegrated, I removed the =
remnants and rewrapped it in black plastic. This gave me an opportunity =
to inspect the entire run. When removing it, I had used small Avery =
labels to identify each connector, and had cleaned every male bullet and =
bought a supply of the female connectors. In the end, I had to make a =
few splices to reverse the polarity on the tach, hook up the alternator, =
and replace some brittle insulation in the engine compartment runs. To =
address one major flaw, I installed a headlight relay kit, out of sight =
under the bonnet latch platform. But I did not feel it necessary to =
redesign the system or install multiple extra fuses. I have a points =
distributor, I am not even running a radio, and certainly have no =
intention of adding gimmicks like power door locks or windows, heated =
seats, or air conditioning. The charm of the MG is its simplicity.

--
Max Heim
'66 MGB

> On Apr 21, 2020, at 10:26 AM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
>    Great fun and encouraging to read this, Dave. There must be some =
primal satisfaction involved. There certainly is for me, even if poorly =
understood. My TD got new harnesses. See attached.
>=20
>    I am now finishing a TR6 and keeping the original harness, but have =
>    Next up? My 1971 Volvo 1800E project is getting 'new' self-made =
dash wiring and engine room harness. Woohoo.
>=20
> Rick
>=20
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 12:09 PM dave via Mgs <[email-masked] =
> In fact I very much enjoy wiring.  I have built entire wiring =
harnesses from scratch, carefully following the color scheme.  I will =
admit on one car I changed it from a 4 fuse system to a 10 fuse system.  =
Everything had its own fuse and everything was grounded directly.  Never =
an electrical problem on that car!
>=20
> And, btw, I didn=E2=80=99t start out to restore 2.  Someone offered me =
a deal I couldn=E2=80=99t refuse on the second one, which needed a new =
>=20
> From: Mgs On Behalf Of Richard Lindsay
>=20
>    Perhaps I'm the only guy who enjoys wiring and electrical systems! =
> Rick, in Houston
http://autox.team.net/archive
> Unsubscribe: =
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/[email-masked]

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">I am not a huge fan of playing with electrical systems, =
speaking for myself.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">When it came to wiring my completely stripped-to-metal MGB =
roadster, I re-used the original harness that I had pulled out of the =
=E2=80=9Cbarn find", on the theory that the copper doesn=E2=80=99t go =
bad. Since the cotton wrap had more or less completely disintegrated, I =
removed the remnants and rewrapped it in black plastic. This gave me an =
opportunity to inspect the entire run. When removing it, I had used =
small Avery labels to identify each connector, and had cleaned every =
male bullet and bought a supply of the female connectors. In the end, I =
had to make a few splices to reverse the polarity on the tach, hook up =
the alternator, and replace some brittle insulation in the engine =
compartment runs. To address one major flaw, I installed a headlight =
relay kit, out of sight under the bonnet latch platform. But I did not =
feel it necessary to redesign the system or install multiple extra =
fuses. I have a points distributor, I am not even running a radio, and =
certainly have no intention of adding gimmicks like power door locks or =
windows, heated seats, or air conditioning. The charm of the MG is its =
simplicity.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; text-align: =
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: =
break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space;" class=3D""><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px;" =
class=3D"">--</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; =
min-height: 16px;" class=3D"">Max Heim</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; =
font-size: 13px;" class=3D"">'66 MGB</div></div></div>
</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>

<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Apr 21, 2020, at 10:26 AM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><div class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp;Great fun and =
encouraging to read this, Dave. There must be some primal satisfaction =
involved. There certainly is for me, even if poorly understood. My TD =
got new harnesses. See attached.</div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp;I am now =
finishing a TR6 and keeping the original harness, but have replaced most =
connectors and verified / improved grounds.</div><div dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp;Next up? My 1971 Volvo 1800E project is getting =
'new' self-made dash wiring and engine room harness. Woohoo.</div><div =
dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D"">Rick<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote" =
dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, =
12:09 PM dave via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" =
link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"m_1232432743811470486WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">In =
fact I very much enjoy wiring.&nbsp; I have built entire wiring =
harnesses from scratch, carefully following the color scheme.&nbsp; I =
will admit on one car I changed it from a 4 fuse system to a 10 fuse =
system.&nbsp; Everything had its own fuse and everything was grounded =
directly.&nbsp; Never an electrical problem on that car!</p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">I am now restoring 2 mga=E2=80=99s, albeit one at a =
time.&nbsp; I will be emulating the factory harness in every way =
possible, building it from scratch.&nbsp; That takes a lot of research =
and questions, and Barney has been extremely helpful.&nbsp; Get the =
right color through the right holes, use the connectors in the right =
places, all a challenge.&nbsp; Fortunately the one is my reference as I =
do the other.</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">And, btw, I didn=E2=80=99t start =
out to restore 2.&nbsp; Someone offered me a deal I couldn=E2=80=99t =
refuse on the second one, which needed a new throw out bearing.&nbsp; =
But the paint was wrong and so awful we were going to clean it up.&nbsp; =
and then . . . .&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; shipwright=E2=80=99s disease totally =
got me.&nbsp; The wiring was so bad (the DPO pretty much just used red =
and blue wires) that I cut it out and threw it out.</p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Today I hope to make some big progress on the =
chassis (it is half restored, as in the back half), and I=E2=80=99ve got =
parts hanging in the side yard that I painted this morning.</p><div =
style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in" class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b class=3D"">From:</b> Mgs =
<b class=3D"">On Behalf Of </b>Richard Lindsay<br =
class=3D""></p></div><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp; =
&nbsp;Perhaps I'm the only guy who enjoys wiring and electrical systems! =
I just find it rewarding to get everything connected correctly and the =
harness bits aligned. Go figure!<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></p><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp; =
&nbsp;My TD is simplicity itself but the other LBC project takes some =
thinking. It's a US specification 1975 TR6. And as we all know, the '70s =
was a time of turmoil for our LBCs; None the least of which was the =
electrics! Part of my goal with this car is to create a CORRECT wiring =
diagram with CORRECT color codes! Nothing I have found published matches =
my car, including the schematics labeled 'U.S.A. Only'.<u =
class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp; &nbsp;Still, for a guy like me who builds and =
restores cars rather than driving them, this is a perfect challenge =
(storm?)! There are other projects in the queue too, but they are even =
further OT than Triumph talk...so I will leave Volvo, Lancia, and Jaguar =
words for others.</p></div><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Rick, =
in Houston</p></div></div></div></div>
</blockquote></div></div></div>
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Super job.

> On Apr 21, 2020, at 1:26 PM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs =
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">Super=
 job.<br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Apr 21, 2020, at 1:26 PM, Richard Lindsay =
via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp;Great fun and encouraging to =
read this, Dave. There must be some primal satisfaction involved. There =
certainly is for me, even if poorly understood. My TD got new harnesses. =
See attached.</div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp;I am now finishing a TR6 and =
keeping the original harness, but have replaced most connectors and =
verified / improved grounds.</div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp;Next up? My 1971 Volvo 1800E project is getting 'new' self-made =
dash wiring and engine room harness. Woohoo.</div><div dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">Rick<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote" dir=3D"auto"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 12:09 PM dave via =
Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" =
link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"m_1232432743811470486WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">In =
fact I very much enjoy wiring.&nbsp; I have built entire wiring =
harnesses from scratch, carefully following the color scheme.&nbsp; I =
will admit on one car I changed it from a 4 fuse system to a 10 fuse =
system.&nbsp; Everything had its own fuse and everything was grounded =
directly.&nbsp; Never an electrical problem on that car!</p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">I am now restoring 2 mga=E2=80=99s, albeit one at a =
time.&nbsp; I will be emulating the factory harness in every way =
possible, building it from scratch.&nbsp; That takes a lot of research =
and questions, and Barney has been extremely helpful.&nbsp; Get the =
right color through the right holes, use the connectors in the right =
places, all a challenge.&nbsp; Fortunately the one is my reference as I =
do the other.</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">And, btw, I didn=E2=80=99t start =
out to restore 2.&nbsp; Someone offered me a deal I couldn=E2=80=99t =
refuse on the second one, which needed a new throw out bearing.&nbsp; =
But the paint was wrong and so awful we were going to clean it up.&nbsp; =
and then . . . .&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; shipwright=E2=80=99s disease totally =
got me.&nbsp; The wiring was so bad (the DPO pretty much just used red =
and blue wires) that I cut it out and threw it out.</p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Today I hope to make some big progress on the =
chassis (it is half restored, as in the back half), and I=E2=80=99ve got =
parts hanging in the side yard that I painted this morning.</p><div =
style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in" class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b class=3D"">From:</b> Mgs =
<b class=3D"">On Behalf Of </b>Richard Lindsay<br =
class=3D""></p></div><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp; =
&nbsp;Perhaps I'm the only guy who enjoys wiring and electrical systems! =
I just find it rewarding to get everything connected correctly and the =
harness bits aligned. Go figure!<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></p><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp; =
&nbsp;My TD is simplicity itself but the other LBC project takes some =
thinking. It's a US specification 1975 TR6. And as we all know, the '70s =
was a time of turmoil for our LBCs; None the least of which was the =
electrics! Part of my goal with this car is to create a CORRECT wiring =
diagram with CORRECT color codes! Nothing I have found published matches =
my car, including the schematics labeled 'U.S.A. Only'.<u =
class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp; &nbsp;Still, for a guy like me who builds and =
restores cars rather than driving them, this is a perfect challenge =
(storm?)! There are other projects in the queue too, but they are even =
further OT than Triumph talk...so I will leave Volvo, Lancia, and Jaguar =
words for others.</p></div><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Rick, =
in Houston</p></div></div></div></div>
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