Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB not (re)starting

From: Richard Lindsay via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2020 09:13:26 -0500

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From: Barrie Robinson via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2020 10:45:25 -0400

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Hello, hello.   I thought these new and improved battery chargers did 
not 'over charge' and cuts out when battery is charged.  Am I being 
duped by the battery charging people ?   My 'automatic' charger has been 
on all winter and will remain so until it is broom broom time.

Cheers
Barrie

On 3/11/2020 10:13 AM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs wrote:
> TOO TRUE!!!
>
> Mine boiled down the electrolyte and EXPLODED we I attempted to start 
> the car. I have one partially deaf ear to prove the point!!!
>
> On Mar 11, 2020 3:41 AM, PaulHunt73 via Mgs <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>     
>     Leaving a battery tender plugged in over winter is not a good
>     idea.  It can cover up a failing battery and as soon as you leave
>     it somewhere where it's not plugged in the battery can let you
>     down.  If it's on all the time you don't know when and how often
>     it is going into charge mode.  If you only plug it in periodically
>     you can keep an eye on it and see how long it is in charge mode
>     before it goes into maintenance mode, and that gives you an idea
>     as to the condition of the battery.  About the only good reason
>     for leaving one on all the time is when you are away from the
>     property for some time and will need the car as soon as you
>     return.  But with cut-off switches on all my cars I can leave them
>     a couple of months or more and they will start just fine.
>     PaulH.
>
>         ----- Original Message -----
>
>         Thanks.  I don't think it's the battery.  The battery is about
>         two years old, and it's been plugged into a battery tender
>         over the winter.
>
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    <font size="-1"><font face="Arial">Hello, hello.   I thought these
        new and improved battery chargers did not 'over charge' and cuts
        out when battery is charged.  Am I being duped by the battery
        charging people ?   My 'automatic' charger has been on all
        winter and will remain so until it is broom broom time.<br>
        <br>
        Cheers<br>
        Barrie<br>
      </font></font><br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/11/2020 10:13 AM, Richard Lindsay
      via Mgs wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="auto">TOO TRUE!!!
        <div dir="auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="auto">Mine boiled down the electrolyte and EXPLODED we
          I attempted to start the car. I have one partially deaf ear to
          prove the point!!!</div>
      </div>
      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Mar 11, 2020 3:41 AM, PaulHunt73 via
          Mgs <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> wrote:<br type="attribution">
          <blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0
            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
            <div>
              <div><font size="2">Leaving a battery tender plugged in
                  over winter is not a good idea.  It can cover up a
                  failing battery and as soon as you leave it somewhere
                  where it's not plugged in the battery can let you
                  down.  If it's on all the time you don't know when and
                  how often it is going into charge mode.  If you only
                  plug it in periodically you can keep an eye on it and
                  see how long it is in charge mode before it goes into
                  maintenance mode, and that gives you an idea as to the
                  condition of the battery.  About the only good reason
                  for leaving one on all the time is when you are away
                  from the property for some time and will need the car
                  as soon as you return.  But with cut-off switches on
                  all my cars I can leave them a couple of months or
                  more and they will start just fine.</font></div>
              <div> </div>
              <div><font size="2">PaulH.</font></div>
              <blockquote style="border-left:#000000 2px
solid;padding-left:5px;padding-right:0px;margin-left:5px;margin-right:0px">
                <div style="font:10pt 'arial'">----- Original Message
                  ----- </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <p>Thanks.  I don't think it's the battery.  The battery
                  is about two years old, and it's been plugged into a
                  battery tender over the winter.</p>
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Maintenance and conditioning chargers (as opposed to 'trickle' chargers) =
should do - until they go faulty.  But even if you consider that a very =
low risk it's a bad idea to leave them on all the time for the reasons I =
gave earlier.  If they need to be for a car to start, then there is a =
problem that should be fixed, not worked-round.
  ----- Original Message -----=20

  Hello, hello.   I thought these new and improved battery chargers did =
not 'over charge' and cuts out when battery is charged.  Am I being =
duped by the battery charging people ?   My 'automatic' charger has been =
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From: Richard Lindsay via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2020 11:03:20 -0500

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check the electrolyte level before continuing.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 9:45 AM Barrie Robinson via Mgs <[email-masked]=
wrote:

> Hello, hello.   I thought these new and improved battery chargers did not
> 'over charge' and cuts out when battery is charged.  Am I being duped by
> the battery charging people ?   My 'automatic' charger has been on all
> winter and will remain so until it is broom broom time.
>
> Cheers
> Barrie
>
> Mine boiled down the electrolyte and EXPLODED we I attempted to start the
> car. I have one partially deaf ear to prove the point!!!
>
> On Mar 11, 2020 3:41 AM, PaulHunt73 via Mgs <[email-masked]>
> <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BF
> Leaving a battery tender plugged in over winter is not a good idea.  It
> can cover up a failing battery and as soon as you leave it somewhere wher=
e
> it's not plugged in the battery can let you down.  If it's on all the tim=
e
> you don't know when and how often it is going into charge mode.  If you
> only plug it in periodically you can keep an eye on it and see how long i=
t
> is in charge mode before it goes into maintenance mode, and that gives yo=
u
> an idea as to the condition of the battery.  About the only good reason f=
or
> leaving one on all the time is when you are away from the property for so=
me
> time and will need the car as soon as you return.  But with cut-off
> switches on all my cars I can leave them a couple of months or more and
> they will start just fine.
>
> PaulH.
>
> Thanks.  I don't think it's the battery.  The battery is about two years
> old, and it's been plugged into a battery tender over the winter.
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">check the electrolyte=C2=A0level before continuing.</div><=
br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed,=
 Mar 11, 2020 at 9:45 AM Barrie Robinson via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@=
autox.team.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid r=
gb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
 =20
   =20
 =20
  <div>
    <font size=3D"-1"><font face=3D"Arial">Hello, hello.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I thou=
ght these
        new and improved battery chargers did not &#39;over charge&#39; and=
 cuts
        out when battery is charged.=C2=A0 Am I being duped by the battery
        charging people ?=C2=A0=C2=A0 My &#39;automatic&#39; charger has be=
en on all
        winter and will remain so until it is broom broom time.<br>
        <br>
        Cheers<br>
        Barrie<br>
      </font></font><br>
    <div>On 3/11/2020 10:13 AM, Richard Lindsay
      via Mgs wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
     =20
      <div dir=3D"auto">TOO TRUE!!!
        <div dir=3D"auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir=3D"auto">Mine boiled down the electrolyte and EXPLODED we
          I attempted to start the car. I have one partially deaf ear to
          prove the point!!!</div>
      </div>
      <div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>
        <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mar 11, 2020 3:41 AM, PaulHunt73 via
          Mgs <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">&lt;m=
[email-masked]&gt;</a> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution">
          <blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px sol=
id rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">=EF=BB=BF
            <div>
              <div><font size=3D"2">Leaving a battery tender plugged in
                  over winter is not a good idea.=C2=A0 It can cover up a
                  failing battery and as soon as you leave it somewhere
                  where it&#39;s not plugged in the battery can let you
                  down.=C2=A0 If it&#39;s on all the time you don&#39;t kno=
w when and
                  how often it is going into charge mode.=C2=A0 If you only
                  plug it in periodically you can keep an eye on it and
                  see how long it is in charge mode before it goes into
                  maintenance mode, and that gives you an idea as to the
                  condition of the battery.=C2=A0 About the only good reaso=
n
                  for leaving one on all the time is when you are away
                  from the property for some time and will need the car
                  as soon as you return.=C2=A0 But with cut-off switches on
                  all my cars I can leave them a couple of months or
                  more and they will start just fine.</font></div>
              <div>=C2=A0</div>
              <div><font size=3D"2">PaulH.</font></div>
              <blockquote style=3D"border-left:2px solid rgb(0,0,0);padding=
-left:5px;padding-right:0px;margin-left:5px;margin-right:0px">
                <div style=3D"font:10pt arial">----- Original Message
                  ----- </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <p>Thanks.=C2=A0 I don&#39;t think it&#39;s the battery.=C2=
=A0 The battery
                  is about two years old, and it&#39;s been plugged into a
                  battery tender over the winter.</p>
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Ok, who buys batteries that aren't sealed these days? ;-)

Dan D
Central NJ USA
http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 12:03 PM Richard Lindsay via Mgs <[email-masked]=
t>
wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 9:45 AM Barrie Robinson via Mgs <
> [email-masked]> wrote:
>
>> Hello, hello.   I thought these new and improved battery chargers did no=
t
>> Mine boiled down the electrolyte and EXPLODED we I attempted to start th=
e
>> can cover up a failing battery and as soon as you leave it somewhere whe=
re
>> it's not plugged in the battery can let you down.  If it's on all the ti=
me
>> only plug it in periodically you can keep an eye on it and see how long =
it
>> is in charge mode before it goes into maintenance mode, and that gives y=
ou
>> an idea as to the condition of the battery.  About the only good reason =
for
>> leaving one on all the time is when you are away from the property for s=
ome
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Ok, who buys batteries that aren&#39;t sealed these days? =
;-)<div><br></div><div>Dan D</div><div>Central NJ USA<br clear=3D"all"><div=
><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signatu=
re"><div dir=3D"ltr"><a href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/" target=3D=
"_blank">http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a></div></div></div><br></div></=
div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On=
 Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 12:03 PM Richard Lindsay via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px s=
olid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">check the electrol=
yte=C2=A0level before continuing.</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 9:45 AM Barrie Rob=
inson via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">m=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);p=
adding-left:1ex">
 =20
   =20
 =20
  <div>
    <font size=3D"-1"><font face=3D"Arial">Hello, hello.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I thou=
ght these
        new and improved battery chargers did not &#39;over charge&#39; and=
 cuts
        out when battery is charged.=C2=A0 Am I being duped by the battery
        charging people ?=C2=A0=C2=A0 My &#39;automatic&#39; charger has be=
en on all
        winter and will remain so until it is broom broom time.<br>
        <br>
        Cheers<br>
        Barrie<br>
      </font></font><br>
    <div>On 3/11/2020 10:13 AM, Richard Lindsay
      via Mgs wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
     =20
      <div dir=3D"auto">TOO TRUE!!!
        <div dir=3D"auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir=3D"auto">Mine boiled down the electrolyte and EXPLODED we
          I attempted to start the car. I have one partially deaf ear to
          prove the point!!!</div>
      </div>
      <div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>
        <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mar 11, 2020 3:41 AM, PaulHunt73 via
          Mgs <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">&lt;m=
[email-masked]&gt;</a> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution">
          <blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px sol=
id rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">=EF=BB=BF
            <div>
              <div><font size=3D"2">Leaving a battery tender plugged in
                  over winter is not a good idea.=C2=A0 It can cover up a
                  failing battery and as soon as you leave it somewhere
                  where it&#39;s not plugged in the battery can let you
                  down.=C2=A0 If it&#39;s on all the time you don&#39;t kno=
w when and
                  how often it is going into charge mode.=C2=A0 If you only
                  plug it in periodically you can keep an eye on it and
                  see how long it is in charge mode before it goes into
                  maintenance mode, and that gives you an idea as to the
                  condition of the battery.=C2=A0 About the only good reaso=
n
                  for leaving one on all the time is when you are away
                  from the property for some time and will need the car
                  as soon as you return.=C2=A0 But with cut-off switches on
                  all my cars I can leave them a couple of months or
                  more and they will start just fine.</font></div>
              <div>=C2=A0</div>
              <div><font size=3D"2">PaulH.</font></div>
              <blockquote style=3D"border-left:2px solid rgb(0,0,0);padding=
-left:5px;padding-right:0px;margin-left:5px;margin-right:0px">
                <div style=3D"font:10pt arial">----- Original Message
                  ----- </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <p>Thanks.=C2=A0 I don&#39;t think it&#39;s the battery.=C2=
=A0 The battery
                  is about two years old, and it&#39;s been plugged into a
                  battery tender over the winter.</p>
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   I, for one, got one from Interstate recently. That it was not sealed was a=
 surprise, but the fellow said that was the only size 26 they had in the war=
ehouse.  It seemed expensive; I hope it lasts as long as the $39.95 Wal-Mart=
 battery did.=20
Bob

> On Mar 11, 2020, at 12:07 PM, Dan DiBiase via Mgs <[email-masked]> wro=
te:
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 12:03 PM Richard Lindsay via Mgs <[email-masked].=
net> wrote:
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 9:45 AM Barrie Robinson via Mgs <[email-masked].=
>>> Hello, hello.   I thought these new and improved battery chargers did no=
t 'over charge' and cuts out when battery is charged.  Am I being duped by t=
he battery charging people ?   My 'automatic' charger has been on all winter=
 and will remain so until it is broom broom time.
>>>> Mine boiled down the electrolyte and EXPLODED we I attempted to start t=
he car. I have one partially deaf ear to prove the point!!!
>>>>=20
>>>> On Mar 11, 2020 3:41 AM, PaulHunt73 via Mgs <[email-masked]> wrote:=

>>>> =EF=BB=BF
>>>> Leaving a battery tender plugged in over winter is not a good idea.  It=
 can cover up a failing battery and as soon as you leave it somewhere where i=
t's not plugged in the battery can let you down.  If it's on all the time yo=
u don't know when and how often it is going into charge mode.  If you only p=
lug it in periodically you can keep an eye on it and see how long it is in c=
harge mode before it goes into maintenance mode, and that gives you an idea a=
s to the condition of the battery.  About the only good reason for leaving o=
ne on all the time is when you are away from the property for some time and w=
ill need the car as soon as you return.  But with cut-off switches on all my=
 cars I can leave them a couple of months or more and they will start just f=
ine.
>>>> Thanks.  I don't think it's the battery.  The battery is about two year=
s old, and it's been plugged into a battery tender over the winter.
>>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archiv=
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utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nb=
sp; &nbsp;I, for one, got one from Interstate recently. That it was not seal=
ed was a surprise, but the fellow said that was the only size 26 they had in=
 the warehouse. &nbsp;It seemed expensive; I hope it lasts as long as the $3=
9.95 Wal-Mart battery did.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob</div><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Mar 11, 2020, at 12:07 PM, Dan DiBias=
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t; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D=
"ltr">Ok, who buys batteries that aren't sealed these days? ;-)<div><br></di=
v><div>Dan D</div><div>Central NJ USA<br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
 class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"lt=
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dibiase.cbintouch.com/</a></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1=
2:03 PM Richard Lindsay via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mg=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padd=
ing-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">check the electrolyte&nbsp;level before conti=
nuing.</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_a=
ttr">On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 9:45 AM Barrie Robinson via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrot=
e:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.=
8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
 =20
   =20
 =20
  <div>
    <font size=3D"-1"><font face=3D"Arial">Hello, hello.&nbsp;&nbsp; I thoug=
ht these
        new and improved battery chargers did not 'over charge' and cuts
        out when battery is charged.&nbsp; Am I being duped by the battery
        charging people ?&nbsp;&nbsp; My 'automatic' charger has been on all=

        winter and will remain so until it is broom broom time.<br>
        <br>
        Cheers<br>
        Barrie<br>
      </font></font><br>
    <div>On 3/11/2020 10:13 AM, Richard Lindsay
      via Mgs wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
     =20
      <div dir=3D"auto">TOO TRUE!!!
        <div dir=3D"auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir=3D"auto">Mine boiled down the electrolyte and EXPLODED we
          I attempted to start the car. I have one partially deaf ear to
          prove the point!!!</div>
      </div>
      <div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>
        <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mar 11, 2020 3:41 AM, PaulHunt73 via
          Mgs <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">&lt;mg=
[email-masked]&gt;</a> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution">
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d rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">=EF=BB=BF
            <div>
              <div><font size=3D"2">Leaving a battery tender plugged in
                  over winter is not a good idea.&nbsp; It can cover up a
                  failing battery and as soon as you leave it somewhere
                  where it's not plugged in the battery can let you
                  down.&nbsp; If it's on all the time you don't know when an=
d
                  how often it is going into charge mode.&nbsp; If you only
                  plug it in periodically you can keep an eye on it and
                  see how long it is in charge mode before it goes into
                  maintenance mode, and that gives you an idea as to the
                  condition of the battery.&nbsp; About the only good reason=

                  for leaving one on all the time is when you are away
                  from the property for some time and will need the car
                  as soon as you return.&nbsp; But with cut-off switches on
                  all my cars I can leave them a couple of months or
                  more and they will start just fine.</font></div>
              <div>&nbsp;</div>
              <div><font size=3D"2">PaulH.</font></div>
              <blockquote style=3D"border-left:2px solid rgb(0,0,0);padding-=
left:5px;padding-right:0px;margin-left:5px;margin-right:0px">
                <div style=3D"font:10pt arial">----- Original Message
                  ----- </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <p>Thanks.&nbsp; I don't think it's the battery.&nbsp; The b=
attery
                  is about two years old, and it's been plugged into a
                  battery tender over the winter.</p>
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My 6v bought a couple of years ago aren't, nor my V8 12v bought 18 years =
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they are sealed or not is irrelevant to me.
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Probably most of us, even if we don=E2=80=99t realize it.

There really aren=E2=80=99t that many sealed batteries, besides the =
exotic brands like Optima.

All those standard auto store black batteries are not sealed =E2=80=94 =
they just hide the caps by making them flush with the top surface, so =
you need a screwdriver to open them. It=E2=80=99s all for marketing =
reasons, but many people think they are sealed, and never check the =
level.

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[email-masked]

> On Mar 11, 2020, at 9:07 AM, Dan DiBiase via Mgs <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ <http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/>
>=20
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 12:03 PM Richard Lindsay via Mgs =
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 9:45 AM Barrie Robinson via Mgs =
>> Mine boiled down the electrolyte and EXPLODED we I attempted to start =
>>=20
>> On Mar 11, 2020 3:41 AM, PaulHunt73 via Mgs <[email-masked]> =
>> =EF=BB=BF
>> Leaving a battery tender plugged in over winter is not a good idea.  =
It can cover up a failing battery and as soon as you leave it somewhere =
where it's not plugged in the battery can let you down.  If it's on all =
the time you don't know when and how often it is going into charge mode. =
 If you only plug it in periodically you can keep an eye on it and see =
how long it is in charge mode before it goes into maintenance mode, and =
that gives you an idea as to the condition of the battery.  About the =
only good reason for leaving one on all the time is when you are away =
from the property for some time and will need the car as soon as you =
return.  But with cut-off switches on all my cars I can leave them a =
couple of months or more and they will start just fine.
>> Thanks.  I don't think it's the battery.  The battery is about two =
years old, and it's been plugged into a battery tender over the winter.

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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Probably most of us, even if we don=E2=80=99t realize it.<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">There really aren=E2=80=99=
t that many sealed batteries, besides the exotic brands like =
Optima.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">All =
those standard auto store black batteries are not sealed =E2=80=94 they =
just hide the caps by making them flush with the top surface, so you =
need a screwdriver to open them. It=E2=80=99s all for marketing reasons, =
but many people think they are sealed, and never check the =
level.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">--</div><div class=3D"">Max Heim</div><div class=3D""><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a></div><div=
 class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">

</div>
<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Mar 11, 2020, at 9:07 AM, Dan DiBiase via Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
class=3D"">Ok, who buys batteries that aren't sealed these days? ;-)<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Dan D</div><div =
class=3D"">Central NJ USA<br clear=3D"all" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div=
 dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" =
data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><a =
href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a></div></div></div><br =
class=3D""></div></div><br style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 12:03 PM =
Richard Lindsay via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; =
border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">check the electrolyte&nbsp;level before =
continuing.</div><br class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 9:45 AM Barrie =
Robinson via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; =
border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div =
class=3D""><font size=3D"-1" class=3D""><font face=3D"Arial" =
class=3D"">Hello, hello.&nbsp;&nbsp; I thought these new and improved =
battery chargers did not 'over charge' and cuts out when battery is =
charged.&nbsp; Am I being duped by the battery charging people =
?&nbsp;&nbsp; My 'automatic' charger has been on all winter and will =
remain so until it is broom broom time.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Cheers<br class=3D"">Barrie<br class=3D""></font></font><br =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">On 3/11/2020 10:13 AM, Richard Lindsay via =
Mgs wrote:<br class=3D""></div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">TOO TRUE!!!<div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">Mine boiled down the =
electrolyte and EXPLODED we I attempted to start the car. I have one =
partially deaf ear to prove the point!!!</div></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_extra"><br class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mar =
11, 2020 3:41 AM, PaulHunt73 via Mgs<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>wrote:<br =
type=3D"attribution" class=3D""><blockquote style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px =
0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; =
border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;" =
class=3D"">=EF=BB=BF<div class=3D""><div class=3D""><font size=3D"2" =
class=3D"">Leaving a battery tender plugged in over winter is not a good =
idea.&nbsp; It can cover up a failing battery and as soon as you leave =
it somewhere where it's not plugged in the battery can let you =
down.&nbsp; If it's on all the time you don't know when and how often it =
is going into charge mode.&nbsp; If you only plug it in periodically you =
can keep an eye on it and see how long it is in charge mode before it =
goes into maintenance mode, and that gives you an idea as to the =
condition of the battery.&nbsp; About the only good reason for leaving =
one on all the time is when you are away from the property for some time =
and will need the car as soon as you return.&nbsp; But with cut-off =
switches on all my cars I can leave them a couple of months or more and =
they will start just fine.</font></div><div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div><div =
class=3D""><font size=3D"2" class=3D"">PaulH.</font></div><blockquote =
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From: Charley Robinson via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2020 16:18:39 -0500

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I, for one. :-) I just bought a Flooded Lead Acid (FLA),  Group 27DP 
Marine Starting/Deep Cycle battery for my recently acquired class C 
motor home.  It's going to be hooked up in parallel with the alike one 
that's in there already.  The pair will be the "house battery."  I 
brought the new battery home a hour or so ago, put it on the charger & 
checked the electrolyte level.  Two cells needed topping up! Made a 
mental note to check the battery that's in the rig for electrolyte 
level.  The MH is a 2019, was put on the road 2/19 so I'm hoping the 
original battery will live with the new one as long as I get the state 
of charge (SOC) of each the same to begin with. Funny thing is I traded 
in the Jap SLA from my Prius for a core.  I have an Optima in the Prius.

My MGB has a Group 26R FLA in it.  I keep it on a battery tender in the 
winter but I start the car every couple of weeks & drive it around a bit 
if the weather's good enough.  No road salt in south Texas.  Hmmm, I 
need to check the electrolyte level in the B's battery.

CR

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    I, for one.  <span class="moz-smiley-s1"><span>:-)</span></span> I
    just bought a Flooded Lead Acid (FLA),  Group 27DP Marine
    Starting/Deep Cycle battery for my recently acquired class C motor
    home.  It's going to be hooked up in parallel with the alike one
    that's in there already.  The pair will be the "house battery."  I
    brought the new battery home a hour or so ago, put it on the charger
    &amp; checked the electrolyte level.  Two cells needed topping up! 
    Made a mental note to check the battery that's in the rig for
    electrolyte level.  The MH is a 2019, was put on the road 2/19 so
    I'm hoping the original battery will live with the new one as long
    as I get the state of charge (SOC) of each the same to begin with. 
    Funny thing is I traded in the Jap SLA from my Prius for a core.  I
    have an Optima in the Prius.<br>
    <br>
    My MGB has a Group 26R FLA in it.  I keep it on a battery tender in
    the winter but I start the car every couple of weeks &amp; drive it
    around a bit if the weather's good enough.  No road salt in south
    Texas.  Hmmm, I need to check the electrolyte level in the B's
    battery.  <br>
    <br>
    CR<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/11/2020 11:07 AM, Dan DiBiase via
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      <div dir="ltr">Ok, who buys batteries that aren't sealed these
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