Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB not (re)starting

From: Max Heim via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 10:59:07 -0700

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What makes you think it was carb related? The fact that you could push =
start it makes me think it was more likely battery or starter related. =
It being the end of winter, I suspect a flat battery.

--
Max Heim
'66 MGB

> On Mar 10, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Steve Shoyer via Mgs =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
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> It was in the 70's yesterday, so I took my 1980 MGB out for a ride.  =
My current carb is a Weber 38 DGES that I installed when I replaced the =
cam two years ago.  I drove around last year and it was running well, =
until one day when I stopped at a store for a few minutes and then =
couldn't get the car restarted.  After trying to get it going I wound up =
calling my daughter for help and we got it push-started.  Yesterday the =
same thing happened.  After the push start the car ran fine, but I just =
drove it home rather than risk another problem.  I was trying some =
starter fluid to get it going yesterday, but that didn't work.  I =
thought that maybe the gas in the tank is old, but the car started up =
after a little cranking when I originally left the house.=20
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> Any suggestions on where to look?  I didn't plumb the coolant line =
through the manifold to heat it, but I don't drive too much in cold =
weather so I didn't think it would be needed.  I thought that the =
problem last summer could have been vapor lock, but starter fluid should =
have worked if that was the issue.=20
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> Thanks.=20
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> --Steve (1980 MGB)=20
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   It was in the 70's yesterday, so I took my 1980 MGB out for a ride.&nbsp; My current carb is a Weber 38 DGES that I installed when I replaced the cam two years ago.&nbsp; I drove around last year and it was running well, until one day when I stopped at a store for a few minutes and then couldn't get the car restarted.&nbsp; After trying to get it going I wound up calling my daughter for help and we got it push-started.&nbsp; Yesterday the same thing happened.&nbsp; After the push start the car ran fine, but I just drove it home rather than risk another problem.&nbsp; I was trying some starter fluid to get it going yesterday, but that didn't work.&nbsp; I thought that maybe the gas in the tank is old, but the car started up after a little cranking when I originally left the house.
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   Any suggestions on where to look?&nbsp; I didn't plumb the coolant line through the manifold to heat it, but I don't drive too much in cold weather so I didn't think it would be needed.&nbsp; I thought that the problem last summer could have been vapor lock, but starter fluid should have worked if that was the issue.
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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 13:33:00 -0500

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What is the voltage on the battery?  See:

https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/r/advice/car-maintenance/car-battery-volta
ge-range

From: Mgs <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Max Heim via Mgs
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 12:59 PM
To: MGs <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB not (re)starting

What makes you think it was carb related? The fact that you could push start
it makes me think it was more likely battery or starter related. It being
the end of winter, I suspect a flat battery.

--

Max Heim

'66 MGB

On Mar 10, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Steve Shoyer via Mgs <[email-masked]

It was in the 70's yesterday, so I took my 1980 MGB out for a ride.  My
current carb is a Weber 38 DGES that I installed when I replaced the cam two
years ago.  I drove around last year and it was running well, until one day
when I stopped at a store for a few minutes and then couldn't get the car
restarted.  After trying to get it going I wound up calling my daughter for
help and we got it push-started.  Yesterday the same thing happened.  After
the push start the car ran fine, but I just drove it home rather than risk
another problem.  I was trying some starter fluid to get it going yesterday,
but that didn't work.  I thought that maybe the gas in the tank is old, but
the car started up after a little cranking when I originally left the house.

Any suggestions on where to look?  I didn't plumb the coolant line through
the manifold to heat it, but I don't drive too much in cold weather so I
didn't think it would be needed.  I thought that the problem last summer
could have been vapor lock, but starter fluid should have worked if that was
the issue. 

Thanks. 

--Steve (1980 MGB) 

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href=3D"https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/r/advice/car-maintenance/car-ba=
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enance/car-battery-voltage-range</a><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
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style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Mgs =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Max Heim via =
Mgs<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 10, 2020 12:59 PM<br><b>To:</b> MGs =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mgs] MGB not =
(re)starting<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>What makes =
you think it was carb related? The fact that you could push start it =
makes me think it was more likely battery or starter related. It being =
the end of winter, I suspect a flat battery.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>--<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Max =
Heim<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>'66 =
MGB<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><blockquote =
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class=3DMsoNormal>On Mar 10, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Steve Shoyer via Mgs =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>It was in the 70's yesterday, so I took my 1980 MGB =
out for a ride.&nbsp; My current carb is a Weber 38 DGES that I =
installed when I replaced the cam two years ago.&nbsp; I drove around =
last year and it was running well, until one day when I stopped at a =
store for a few minutes and then couldn't get the car restarted.&nbsp; =
After trying to get it going I wound up calling my daughter for help and =
we got it push-started.&nbsp; Yesterday the same thing happened.&nbsp; =
After the push start the car ran fine, but I just drove it home rather =
than risk another problem.&nbsp; I was trying some starter fluid to get =
it going yesterday, but that didn't work.&nbsp; I thought that maybe the =
gas in the tank is old, but the car started up after a little cranking =
when I originally left the house. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Any suggestions on where to look?&nbsp; I didn't plumb =
the coolant line through the manifold to heat it, but I don't drive too =
much in cold weather so I didn't think it would be needed.&nbsp; I =
thought that the problem last summer could have been vapor lock, but =
starter fluid should have worked if that was the issue. =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>--Steve (1980 MGB) <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
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From: Michael MacLean via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 19:17:31 +0000 (UTC)

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 Check the battery connections, clean and replace.
Mike MacLean69 MGB GT

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What is the voltage on the battery?=C2=A0 See:

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age-range

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What makes you think it was carb related? The fact that you could push star=
t it makes me think it was more likely battery or starter related. It being=
 the end of winter, I suspect a flat battery.

 =C2=A0

--

Max Heim

'66 MGB

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On Mar 10, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Steve Shoyer via Mgs <[email-masked]> wro=
te:

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It was in the 70's yesterday, so I took my 1980 MGB out for a ride.=C2=A0 M=
y current carb is a Weber 38 DGES that I installed when I replaced the cam =
two years ago.=C2=A0 I drove around last year and it was running well, unti=
l one day when I stopped at a store for a few minutes and then couldn't get=
 the car restarted.=C2=A0 After trying to get it going I wound up calling m=
y daughter for help and we got it push-started.=C2=A0 Yesterday the same th=
ing happened.=C2=A0 After the push start the car ran fine, but I just drove=
 it home rather than risk another problem.=C2=A0 I was trying some starter =
fluid to get it going yesterday, but that didn't work.=C2=A0 I thought that=
 maybe the gas in the tank is old, but the car started up after a little cr=
anking when I originally left the house.=20

 =C2=A0

Any suggestions on where to look?=C2=A0 I didn't plumb the coolant line thr=
ough the manifold to heat it, but I don't drive too much in cold weather so=
 I didn't think it would be needed.=C2=A0 I thought that the problem last s=
ummer could have been vapor lock, but starter fluid should have worked if t=
hat was the issue.=20

 =C2=A0

Thanks.=20

 =C2=A0

--Steve (1980 MGB)=20

[email-masked]

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ttery-voltage-range</a></p><p class=3D"yiv4099544913MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><=
p class=3D"yiv4099544913MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><div class=3D"yiv4099544913yq=
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9544913MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Mgs &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On=
 Behalf Of </b>Max Heim via Mgs<br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, Mar=
ch 10, 2020 12:59 PM<br clear=3D"none"><b>To:</b> MGs &lt;[email-masked]=
t&gt;<br clear=3D"none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mgs] MGB not (re)starting</p><=
/div></div><p class=3D"yiv4099544913MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"yiv40=
99544913MsoNormal">What makes you think it was carb related? The fact that =
you could push start it makes me think it was more likely battery or starte=
r related. It being the end of winter, I suspect a flat battery.</p><div><p=
 class=3D"yiv4099544913MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p></div></div><div><div class=3D=
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iv><p class=3D"yiv4099544913MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;colo=
r:black;">--</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"yiv4099544913MsoNormal"><span=
 style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:black;">Max Heim</span></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3D"yiv4099544913MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:black=
;">'66 MGB</span></p></div></div></div></div><div><p class=3D"yiv4099544913=
MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p></div><p class=3D"yiv4099544913MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=
<div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div><p cl=
ass=3D"yiv4099544913MsoNormal">On Mar 10, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Steve Shoyer v=
ia Mgs &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
eam.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
m.net</a>&gt; wrote:</p></div><p class=3D"yiv4099544913MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</=
p><div><div><div><p class=3D"yiv4099544913MsoNormal">It was in the 70's yes=
terday, so I took my 1980 MGB out for a ride.&nbsp; My current carb is a We=
ber 38 DGES that I installed when I replaced the cam two years ago.&nbsp; I=
 drove around last year and it was running well, until one day when I stopp=
ed at a store for a few minutes and then couldn't get the car restarted.&nb=
sp; After trying to get it going I wound up calling my daughter for help an=
d we got it push-started.&nbsp; Yesterday the same thing happened.&nbsp; Af=
ter the push start the car ran fine, but I just drove it home rather than r=
isk another problem.&nbsp; I was trying some starter fluid to get it going =
yesterday, but that didn't work.&nbsp; I thought that maybe the gas in the =
tank is old, but the car started up after a little cranking when I original=
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ld be needed.&nbsp; I thought that the problem last summer could have been =
vapor lock, but starter fluid should have worked if that was the issue. </p=
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Thanks.  I don't think it's the battery.  The battery is about two years 
old, and it's been plugged into a battery tender over the winter.  I 
didn't have any trouble getting the starter to crank, and I was running 
the starter for a while without the battery appearing to run down.

I'll have to test it by starting the car cold, driving it around my 
neighborhood for a while, then parking it back in my garage and trying 
to restart it after 20-30 minutes.  If it won't start I can pull the 
plugs and take a look, and also test the battery to see if it wasn't 
holding the charge.  I can also check compression at that point - maybe 
the head gets loose when it warms up?

I also thought it might be the coil - I had read that sometimes after 
the coil gets warm it can cause intermittent problems.  If that was the 
case I'd think the car wouldn't run after being push started, but I'm 
far from an expert.  I was just guessing at the carb because I've never 
been good at tuning carbs, and it's the last thing I changed on the car.

--Steve

On 3/10/2020 3:17 PM, Michael MacLean via Mgs wrote:
> Mike MacLean
> 69 MGB GT
> On Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 11:41:43 AM PDT, dave via Mgs 
> https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/r/advice/car-maintenance/car-battery-voltage-range
>
> *From:* Mgs <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *Max Heim via Mgs
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2020 12:59 PM
> *To:* MGs <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* Re: [Mgs] MGB not (re)starting
>
> What makes you think it was carb related? The fact that you could push 
> start it makes me think it was more likely battery or starter related. 
>     On Mar 10, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Steve Shoyer via Mgs
>
>     It was in the 70's yesterday, so I took my 1980 MGB out for a
>     ride.  My current carb is a Weber 38 DGES that I installed when I
>     replaced the cam two years ago.  I drove around last year and it
>     was running well, until one day when I stopped at a store for a
>     few minutes and then couldn't get the car restarted.  After trying
>     to get it going I wound up calling my daughter for help and we got
>     it push-started. Yesterday the same thing happened. After the push
>     start the car ran fine, but I just drove it home rather than risk
>     another problem.  I was trying some starter fluid to get it going
>     yesterday, but that didn't work.  I thought that maybe the gas in
>     the tank is old, but the car started up after a little cranking
>     when I originally left the house.
>
>     Any suggestions on where to look?  I didn't plumb the coolant line
>     through the manifold to heat it, but I don't drive too much in
>     cold weather so I didn't think it would be needed.  I thought that
>     the problem last summer could have been vapor lock, but starter
>     fluid should have worked if that was the issue.
>
>     Thanks.
>
>     --Steve (1980 MGB)
>
>

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    <p>Thanks.  I don't think it's the battery.  The battery is about
      two years old, and it's been plugged into a battery tender over
      the winter.  I didn't have any trouble getting the starter to
      crank, and I was running the starter for a while without the
      battery appearing to run down.</p>
    <p>I'll have to test it by starting the car cold, driving it around
      my neighborhood for a while, then parking it back in my garage and
      trying to restart it after 20-30 minutes.  If it won't start I can
      pull the plugs and take a look, and also test the battery to see
      if it wasn't holding the charge.  I can also check compression at
      that point - maybe the head gets loose when it warms up?<br>
    </p>
    <p>I also thought it might be the coil - I had read that sometimes
      after the coil gets warm it can cause intermittent problems.  If
      that was the case I'd think the car wouldn't run after being push
      started, but I'm far from an expert.  I was just guessing at the
      carb because I've never been good at tuning carbs, and it's the
      last thing I changed on the car.</p>
    <p>--Steve<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/10/2020 3:17 PM, Michael MacLean
      via Mgs wrote:<br>
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          connections, clean and replace.<br>
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          <div> On Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 11:41:43 AM PDT, dave via
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                  <p class="yiv4099544913MsoNormal">What is the voltage
                    on the battery?  See:</p>
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                            Behalf Of </b>Max Heim via Mgs<br
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                    <p class="yiv4099544913MsoNormal">What makes you
                      think it was carb related? The fact that you could
                      push start it makes me think it was more likely
                      battery or starter related. It being the end of
                      winter, I suspect a flat battery.</p>
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                                  style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;">'66
                                  MGB</span></p>
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                            <p class="yiv4099544913MsoNormal">On Mar 10,
                              2020, at 10:46 AM, Steve Shoyer via Mgs
                              &lt;<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect"
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                              <div>
                                <p class="yiv4099544913MsoNormal">It was
                                  in the 70's yesterday, so I took my
                                  1980 MGB out for a ride.  My current
                                  carb is a Weber 38 DGES that I
                                  installed when I replaced the cam two
                                  years ago.  I drove around last year
                                  and it was running well, until one day
                                  when I stopped at a store for a few
                                  minutes and then couldn't get the car
                                  restarted.  After trying to get it
                                  going I wound up calling my daughter
                                  for help and we got it push-started. 
                                  Yesterday the same thing happened. 
                                  After the push start the car ran fine,
                                  but I just drove it home rather than
                                  risk another problem.  I was trying
                                  some starter fluid to get it going
                                  yesterday, but that didn't work.  I
                                  thought that maybe the gas in the tank
                                  is old, but the car started up after a
                                  little cranking when I originally left
                                  the house. </p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="yiv4099544913MsoNormal">  </p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="yiv4099544913MsoNormal">Any
                                  suggestions on where to look?  I
                                  didn't plumb the coolant line through
                                  the manifold to heat it, but I don't
                                  drive too much in cold weather so I
                                  didn't think it would be needed.  I
                                  thought that the problem last summer
                                  could have been vapor lock, but
                                  starter fluid should have worked if
                                  that was the issue. </p>
                              </div>
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                                <p class="yiv4099544913MsoNormal">  </p>
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                                <p class="yiv4099544913MsoNormal">Thanks.
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                                <p class="yiv4099544913MsoNormal">--Steve
                                  (1980 MGB) </p>
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Head? Coil? Now you=E2=80=99re grasping at straws. And carb doesn=E2=80=99=
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I think Mike was right. Clean and tighten the battery connections. They =
are out of sight so are frequently neglected. Have you looked at them =
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> On Mar 10, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Steve Shoyer via Mgs =
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> Thanks.  I don't think it's the battery.  The battery is about two =
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class=3D"">Head? Coil? Now you=E2=80=99re grasping at straws. And carb =
doesn=E2=80=99t match the symptoms.<div class=3D""><br =
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class=3D"">On Mar 10, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Steve Shoyer via Mgs &lt;<a =
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normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
class=3D"">Thanks.&nbsp; I don't think it's the battery.&nbsp; The =
battery is about two years old, and it's been plugged into a battery =
tender over the winter.&nbsp; I didn't have any trouble getting the =
starter to crank, and I was running the starter for a while without the =
battery appearing to run down.</p><p style=3D"font-family: Verdana; =
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text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D"">I'll have =
to test it by starting the car cold, driving it around my neighborhood =
for a while, then parking it back in my garage and trying to restart it =
after 20-30 minutes.&nbsp; If it won't start I can pull the plugs and =
take a look, and also test the battery to see if it wasn't holding the =
charge.&nbsp; I can also check compression at that point - maybe the =
head gets loose when it warms up?<br class=3D""></p><p =
style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
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text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D"">I =
also thought it might be the coil - I had read that sometimes after the =
coil gets warm it can cause intermittent problems.&nbsp; If that was the =
case I'd think the car wouldn't run after being push started, but I'm =
far from an expert.&nbsp; I was just guessing at the carb because I've =
never been good at tuning carbs, and it's the last thing I changed on =
the car.</p><p style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
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-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D"">--Steve<br class=3D""></p><div=
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-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">On 3/10/2020 3:17 PM, Michael MacLean =
via Mgs wrote:<br class=3D""></div><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
cite=3D"mid:[email-masked]" =
style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"ydpf7b70219yahoo-style-wrap" =
style=3D"font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; =
font-size: 16px;"><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false" class=3D"">Check =
the battery connections, clean and replace.<br class=3D""></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false" class=3D"">Mike MacLean</div><div =
dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false" class=3D"">69 MGB GT<br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div></div><div =
id=3D"yahoo_quoted_4146678925" class=3D"yahoo_quoted"><div =
style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; =
font-size: 13px; color: rgb(38, 40, 42);" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On =
Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 11:41:43 AM PDT, dave via Mgs<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>wrote:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><div=
 id=3D"yiv4099544913" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"yiv4099544913WordSection1"><p =
class=3D"yiv4099544913MsoNormal">What is the voltage on the =
battery?&nbsp; See:</p><div class=3D"">&nbsp;<br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p =
class=3D"yiv4099544913MsoNormal"><a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" =
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href=3D"https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/r/advice/car-maintenance/car-bat=
tery-voltage-range" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/r/advice/car-maintenance/car-=
battery-voltage-range</a></p><div class=3D"">&nbsp;<br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class=3D"">&nbsp;<br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div =
class=3D"yiv4099544913yqt8942878181" id=3D"yiv4099544913yqt49081"><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"border-style: solid none none; =
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3pt 0in 0in;" class=3D""><p class=3D"yiv4099544913MsoNormal"><b =
class=3D"">From:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Mgs<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
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underline;">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><span =
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Mgs<br clear=3D"none" class=3D""><b class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
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underline;">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br clear=3D"none" class=3D""><b=
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class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Mgs] MGB not =
(re)starting</p></div></div><div class=3D"">&nbsp;<br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p =
class=3D"yiv4099544913MsoNormal">What makes you think it was carb =
related? The fact that you could push start it makes me think it was =
more likely battery or starter related. It being the end of winter, I =
suspect a flat battery.</p><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">&nbsp;<br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"yiv4099544913yqt8942878181" id=3D"yiv4099544913yqt99890"><div =
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class=3D"">Max Heim</span></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"yiv4099544913MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;" =
class=3D"">'66 MGB</span></p></div></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">&nbsp;<br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div =
class=3D"">&nbsp;<br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div =
class=3D""><blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><p class=3D"yiv4099544913MsoNormal">On Mar =
10, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Steve Shoyer via Mgs &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" =
shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" =
style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</p></div><div =
class=3D"">&nbsp;<br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"yiv4099544913MsoNormal">It was in the 70's yesterday, so I took =
my 1980 MGB out for a ride.&nbsp; My current carb is a Weber 38 DGES =
that I installed when I replaced the cam two years ago.&nbsp; I drove =
around last year and it was running well, until one day when I stopped =
at a store for a few minutes and then couldn't get the car =
restarted.&nbsp; After trying to get it going I wound up calling my =
daughter for help and we got it push-started.&nbsp; Yesterday the same =
thing happened.&nbsp; After the push start the car ran fine, but I just =
drove it home rather than risk another problem.&nbsp; I was trying some =
starter fluid to get it going yesterday, but that didn't work.&nbsp; I =
thought that maybe the gas in the tank is old, but the car started up =
after a little cranking when I originally left the house.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></p></div><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">&nbsp;<br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"yiv4099544913MsoNormal">Any suggestions on where to look?&nbsp; =
I didn't plumb the coolant line through the manifold to heat it, but I =
don't drive too much in cold weather so I didn't think it would be =
needed.&nbsp; I thought that the problem last summer could have been =
vapor lock, but starter fluid should have worked if that was the =
issue.<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></p></div><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">&nbsp;<br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"yiv4099544913MsoNormal">Thanks.</p></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">&nbsp;<br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div =
class=3D""><p class=3D"yiv4099544913MsoNormal">--Steve (1980 MGB)<span =
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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 20:55:32 +0100

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I also had a coil failing with a hot engine with my Puch moped!

Soon it went worse, so the coil had to be replaced.

Cheers,

Hans

Van: Mgs [mailto:[email-masked]] Namens Steve Shoyer via Mgs
Verzonden: dinsdag 10 maart 2020 20:45
Aan: [email-masked]
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] MGB not (re)starting

Thanks.  I don't think it's the battery.  The battery is about two years ol=
d, and it's been plugged into a battery tender over the winter.  I didn't h=
ave any trouble getting the starter to crank, and I was running the starter=
 for a while without the battery appearing to run down.

I'll have to test it by starting the car cold, driving it around my neighbo=
rhood for a while, then parking it back in my garage and trying to restart =
it after 20-30 minutes.  If it won't start I can pull the plugs and take a =
look, and also test the battery to see if it wasn't holding the charge.  I =
can also check compression at that point - maybe the head gets loose when i=
t warms up?

I also thought it might be the coil - I had read that sometimes after the c=
oil gets warm it can cause intermittent problems.  If that was the case I'd=
 think the car wouldn't run after being push started, but I'm far from an e=
xpert.  I was just guessing at the carb because I've never been good at tun=
ing carbs, and it's the last thing I changed on the car.

--Steve

Mike MacLean

69 MGB GT

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Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB not (re)starting

--

Max Heim

'66 MGB

It was in the 70's yesterday, so I took my 1980 MGB out for a ride.  My cur=
rent carb is a Weber 38 DGES that I installed when I replaced the cam two y=
ears ago.  I drove around last year and it was running well, until one day =
when I stopped at a store for a few minutes and then couldn't get the car r=
estarted.  After trying to get it going I wound up calling my daughter for =
help and we got it push-started.  Yesterday the same thing happened.  After=
 the push start the car ran fine, but I just drove it home rather than risk=
 another problem.  I was trying some starter fluid to get it going yesterda=
y, but that didn't work.  I thought that maybe the gas in the tank is old, =
but the car started up after a little cranking when I originally left the h=
ouse. 

Any suggestions on where to look?  I didn't plumb the coolant line through =
the manifold to heat it, but I don't drive too much in cold weather so I di=
dn't think it would be needed.  I thought that the problem last summer coul=
d have been vapor lock, but starter fluid should have worked if that was th=
e issue. 

Thanks. 

--Steve (1980 MGB) 

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lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I also had a coil failing with a hot engine with my Puch =
moped!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Soon it went worse, so the coil had to be =
replaced.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Hans<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Van:</span><=
/b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Mgs [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>Namens </b>Steve Shoyer via =
Mgs<br><b>Verzonden:</b> dinsdag 10 maart 2020 20:45<br><b>Aan:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] MGB not =
(re)starting<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p>Thanks.&nbsp; I don't think =
it's the battery.&nbsp; The battery is about two years old, and it's =
been plugged into a battery tender over the winter.&nbsp; I didn't have =
any trouble getting the starter to crank, and I was running the starter =
for a while without the battery appearing to run =
down.<o:p></o:p></p><p>I'll have to test it by starting the car cold, =
driving it around my neighborhood for a while, then parking it back in =
my garage and trying to restart it after 20-30 minutes.&nbsp; If it =
won't start I can pull the plugs and take a look, and also test the =
battery to see if it wasn't holding the charge.&nbsp; I can also check =
compression at that point - maybe the head gets loose when it warms =
up?<o:p></o:p></p><p>I also thought it might be the coil - I had read =
that sometimes after the coil gets warm it can cause intermittent =
problems.&nbsp; If that was the case I'd think the car wouldn't run =
after being push started, but I'm far from an expert.&nbsp; I was just =
guessing at the carb because I've never been good at tuning carbs, and =
it's the last thing I changed on the =
car.<o:p></o:p></p><p>--Steve<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
3/10/2020 3:17 PM, Michael MacLean via Mgs =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Check the battery connections, clean and =
replace.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Mike =
MacLean<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>69 MGB =
GT<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></div><div =
id=3D"yahoo_quoted_4146678925"><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'>On Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 11:41:43 AM PDT, dave via Mgs <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> wrote: =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><div =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'>What is the voltage on the battery?&nbsp; =
See:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3Dyiv4099544913msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3Dyiv4099544913msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'><a =
href=3D"https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/r/advice/car-maintenance/car-ba=
ttery-voltage-range" =
target=3D"_blank">https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/r/advice/car-maintena=
nce/car-battery-voltage-range</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dyiv4099544913msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3Dyiv4099544913msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><div =
id=3Dyiv4099544913yqt49081><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3Dyiv4099544913msonormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'> Mgs <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]=
&gt;</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Max Heim via Mgs<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, =
March 10, 2020 12:59 PM<br><b>To:</b> MGs <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br><b>S=
ubject:</b> Re: [Mgs] MGB not =
(re)starting<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3Dyiv4099544913msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3Dyiv4099544913msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'>What makes you think it was carb related? The fact that you could =
push start it makes me think it was more likely battery or starter =
related. It being the end of winter, I suspect a flat =
battery.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3Dyiv4099544913msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div =
id=3Dyiv4099544913yqt99890><div><div><div><div><p =
class=3Dyiv4099544913msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:blac=
k'>--</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dyiv4099544913msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:blac=
k'>Max Heim</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dyiv4099544913msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:blac=
k'>'66 MGB</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3Dyiv4099544913msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3Dyiv4099544913msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3Dyiv4099544913msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'>On Mar 10, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Steve Shoyer via Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3Dyiv4099544913msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p =
class=3Dyiv4099544913msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'>It was in the 70's yesterday, so I took my 1980 MGB out for a =
ride.&nbsp; My current carb is a Weber 38 DGES that I installed when I =
replaced the cam two years ago.&nbsp; I drove around last year and it =
was running well, until one day when I stopped at a store for a few =
minutes and then couldn't get the car restarted.&nbsp; After trying to =
get it going I wound up calling my daughter for help and we got it =
push-started.&nbsp; Yesterday the same thing happened.&nbsp; After the =
push start the car ran fine, but I just drove it home rather than risk =
another problem.&nbsp; I was trying some starter fluid to get it going =
yesterday, but that didn't work.&nbsp; I thought that maybe the gas in =
the tank is old, but the car started up after a little cranking when I =
originally left the house. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dyiv4099544913msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dyiv4099544913msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'>Any suggestions on where to look?&nbsp; I didn't plumb the coolant =
line through the manifold to heat it, but I don't drive too much in cold =
weather so I didn't think it would be needed.&nbsp; I thought that the =
problem last summer could have been vapor lock, but starter fluid should =
have worked if that was the issue. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dyiv4099544913msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
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class=3Dyiv4099544913msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
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I actually look at the battery connections every time I drive, when I 
disconnect and then reconnect the battery tender clamps. They seem clean 
and tight.

If the battery (or battery connection) was bad, would there still be 
enough power to start the car when it was cold, and to run the starter 
for a long time after the car was warm but wouldn't start?  I can try 
disconnecting the battery tender to see how the battery reacts to only 
charging from the alternator.

--Steve  (1980 MGB)

On 3/10/2020 3:50 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:
> Head? Coil? Now you’re grasping at straws. And carb doesn’t match the 
> symptoms.
>
> I think Mike was right. Clean and tighten the battery connections. 
> They are out of sight so are frequently neglected. Have you looked at 
> them since you installed the battery?
>
>
> --
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB
>
>> On Mar 10, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Steve Shoyer via Mgs 
>>
>> Thanks.  I don't think it's the battery.  The battery is about two 
>> years old, and it's been plugged into a battery tender over the 
>> winter.  I didn't have any trouble getting the starter to crank, and 
>> I was running the starter for a while without the battery appearing 
>> to run down.
>>
>> neighborhood for a while, then parking it back in my garage and 
>> pull the plugs and take a look, and also test the battery to see if 
>> it wasn't holding the charge.  I can also check compression at that 
>> point - maybe the head gets loose when it warms up?
>>
>> the coil gets warm it can cause intermittent problems. If that was 
>> the case I'd think the car wouldn't run after being push started, but 
>> I'm far from an expert.  I was just guessing at the carb because I've 
>> never been good at tuning carbs, and it's the last thing I changed on 
>> the car.
>>
>> --Steve
>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 11:41:43 AM PDT, dave via 
>>> Mgs<[email-masked]>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:*Mgs<[email-masked]>*On Behalf Of*Max Heim via Mgs
>>> *Sent:*Tuesday, March 10, 2020 12:59 PM
>>> *To:*MGs<[email-masked]>
>>> *Subject:*Re: [Mgs] MGB not (re)starting
>>>
>>>
>>> What makes you think it was carb related? The fact that you could 
>>> push start it makes me think it was more likely battery or starter 
>>>     ride.  My current carb is a Weber 38 DGES that I installed when
>>>     I replaced the cam two years ago.  I drove around last year and
>>>     it was running well, until one day when I stopped at a store for
>>>     a few minutes and then couldn't get the car restarted.  After
>>>     trying to get it going I wound up calling my daughter for help
>>>     and we got it push-started. Yesterday the same thing happened. 
>>>     After the push start the car ran fine, but I just drove it home
>>>     rather than risk another problem. I was trying some starter
>>>     fluid to get it going yesterday, but that didn't work.  I
>>>     thought that maybe the gas in the tank is old, but the car
>>>     started up after a little cranking when I originally left the house.
>>>
>>>
>>>     Any suggestions on where to look?  I didn't plumb the coolant
>>>     line through the manifold to heat it, but I don't drive too much
>>>     in cold weather so I didn't think it would be needed.  I thought
>>>     that the problem last summer could have been vapor lock, but
>>>     starter fluid should have worked if that was the issue.
>>>
>>>
>>>     Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>>     --Steve (1980 MGB)
>>>
>>>

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    <p>I actually look at the battery connections every time I drive,
      when I disconnect and then reconnect the battery tender clamps. 
      They seem clean and tight.</p>
    <p>If the battery (or battery connection) was bad, would there still
      be enough power to start the car when it was cold, and to run the
      starter for a long time after the car was warm but wouldn't
      start?  I can try disconnecting the battery tender to see how the
      battery reacts to only charging from the alternator.</p>
    <p>--Steve  (1980 MGB)<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/10/2020 3:50 PM, Max Heim via Mgs
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
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      Head? Coil? Now you’re grasping at straws. And carb doesn’t match
      the symptoms.
      <div class=""><br class="">
      </div>
      <div class="">I think Mike was right. Clean and tighten the
        battery connections. They are out of sight so are frequently
        neglected. Have you looked at them since you installed the
        battery?</div>
      <div class=""><br class="">
      </div>
      <div class=""><br class="">
        <div class="">
          <div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal;
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              <div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 13px;" class="">--</div>
              <div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; min-height:
                16px;" class="">Max Heim</div>
              <div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 13px;" class="">'66
                MGB</div>
            </div>
          </div>
        </div>
        <br class="">
        <div>
          <blockquote type="cite" class="">
            <div class="">On Mar 10, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Steve Shoyer via
              Mgs &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]" class=""
                moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
            <br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
            <div class="">
              <p style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px;
                font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal;
                font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align:
                start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
                white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;
                -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">Thanks.  I
                don't think it's the battery.  The battery is about two
                years old, and it's been plugged into a battery tender
                over the winter.  I didn't have any trouble getting the
                starter to crank, and I was running the starter for a
                while without the battery appearing to run down.</p>
              <p style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px;
                font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal;
                font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align:
                start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
                white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;
                -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">I'll have to
                test it by starting the car cold, driving it around my
                neighborhood for a while, then parking it back in my
                garage and trying to restart it after 20-30 minutes.  If
                it won't start I can pull the plugs and take a look, and
                also test the battery to see if it wasn't holding the
                charge.  I can also check compression at that point -
                maybe the head gets loose when it warms up?<br class="">
              </p>
              <p style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px;
                font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal;
                font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align:
                start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
                white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;
                -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">I also thought
                it might be the coil - I had read that sometimes after
                the coil gets warm it can cause intermittent problems. 
                If that was the case I'd think the car wouldn't run
                after being push started, but I'm far from an expert.  I
                was just guessing at the carb because I've never been
                good at tuning carbs, and it's the last thing I changed
                on the car.</p>
              <p style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px;
                font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal;
                font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align:
                start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
                white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;
                -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">--Steve<br
                  class="">
              </p>
              <div class="moz-cite-prefix" style="font-family: Verdana;
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                normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal;
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                none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;
                -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">On 3/10/2020 3:17 PM,
                Michael MacLean via Mgs wrote:<br class="">
              </div>
              <blockquote type="cite"
                cite="mid:[email-masked]"
                style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px;
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                  style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york',
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                  <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" class="">Check the
                    battery connections, clean and replace.<br class="">
                  </div>
                  <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" class="">Mike
                    MacLean</div>
                  <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" class="">69 MGB GT<br
                      class="">
                  </div>
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                  </div>
                </div>
                <div id="yahoo_quoted_4146678925" class="yahoo_quoted">
                  <div style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica,
                    Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; color: rgb(38,
                    40, 42);" class="">
                    <div class="">On Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 11:41:43
                      AM PDT, dave via Mgs<span
                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                        class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                        href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><span
                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<span
                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div>
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                    <div class="">
                      <div id="yiv4099544913" class="">
                        <div class="">
                          <div class="yiv4099544913WordSection1">
                            <p class="yiv4099544913MsoNormal">What is
                              the voltage on the battery?  See:</p>
                            <div class=""> <br
                                class="webkit-block-placeholder">
                            </div>
                            <p class="yiv4099544913MsoNormal"><a
                                rel="nofollow" shape="rect"
                                target="_blank"
href="https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/r/advice/car-maintenance/car-battery-voltage-range"
                                moz-do-not-send="true" style="color:
                                blue; text-decoration: underline;"
                                class="">https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/r/advice/car-maintenance/car-battery-voltage-range</a></p>
                            <div class=""> <br
                                class="webkit-block-placeholder">
                            </div>
                            <div class=""> <br
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                              id="yiv4099544913yqt49081">
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                                  <p class="yiv4099544913MsoNormal"><b
                                      class="">From:</b><span
                                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Mgs<span
                                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                                      class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                                      href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                                      style="color: blue;
                                      text-decoration: underline;"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><span
                                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b
                                      class="">On Behalf Of<span
                                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Max
                                    Heim via Mgs<br class=""
                                      clear="none">
                                    <b class="">Sent:</b><span
                                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday,
                                    March 10, 2020 12:59 PM<br class=""
                                      clear="none">
                                    <b class="">To:</b><span
                                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>MGs<span
                                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                                      class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                                      href="mailto:[email-masked]"
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                                      class="" clear="none">
                                    <b class="">Subject:</b><span
                                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                                    [Mgs] MGB not (re)starting</p>
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                              <p class="yiv4099544913MsoNormal">What
                                makes you think it was carb related? The
                                fact that you could push start it makes
                                me think it was more likely battery or
                                starter related. It being the end of
                                winter, I suspect a flat battery.</p>
                              <div class="">
                                <div class=""> <br
                                    class="webkit-block-placeholder">
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                                            style="font-size: 10pt;"
                                            class="">Max Heim</span></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div class="">
                                        <p
                                          class="yiv4099544913MsoNormal"><span
                                            style="font-size: 10pt;"
                                            class="">'66 MGB</span></p>
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                                  <div class=""> <br
                                      class="webkit-block-placeholder">
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                                <div class=""> <br
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                                <div class="">
                                  <blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt;
                                    margin-bottom: 5pt;" class="">
                                    <div class="">
                                      <p class="yiv4099544913MsoNormal">On
                                        Mar 10, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Steve
                                        Shoyer via Mgs &lt;<a
                                          rel="nofollow" shape="rect"
                                          ymailto="mailto:[email-masked]"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          style="color: blue;
                                          text-decoration: underline;"
                                          class="">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                                        wrote:</p>
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                                        class="webkit-block-placeholder">
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                                    <div class="">
                                      <div class="">
                                        <div class="">
                                          <p
                                            class="yiv4099544913MsoNormal">It
                                            was in the 70's yesterday,
                                            so I took my 1980 MGB out
                                            for a ride.  My current carb
                                            is a Weber 38 DGES that I
                                            installed when I replaced
                                            the cam two years ago.  I
                                            drove around last year and
                                            it was running well, until
                                            one day when I stopped at a
                                            store for a few minutes and
                                            then couldn't get the car
                                            restarted.  After trying to
                                            get it going I wound up
                                            calling my daughter for help
                                            and we got it push-started. 
                                            Yesterday the same thing
                                            happened.  After the push
                                            start the car ran fine, but
                                            I just drove it home rather
                                            than risk another problem. 
                                            I was trying some starter
                                            fluid to get it going
                                            yesterday, but that didn't
                                            work.  I thought that maybe
                                            the gas in the tank is old,
                                            but the car started up after
                                            a little cranking when I
                                            originally left the house.<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div class="">
                                          <div class=""> <br
                                              class="webkit-block-placeholder">
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
                                        <div class="">
                                          <p
                                            class="yiv4099544913MsoNormal">Any
                                            suggestions on where to
                                            look?  I didn't plumb the
                                            coolant line through the
                                            manifold to heat it, but I
                                            don't drive too much in cold
                                            weather so I didn't think it
                                            would be needed.  I thought
                                            that the problem last summer
                                            could have been vapor lock,
                                            but starter fluid should
                                            have worked if that was the
                                            issue.<span
                                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div class="">
                                          <div class=""> <br
                                              class="webkit-block-placeholder">
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
                                        <div class="">
                                          <p
                                            class="yiv4099544913MsoNormal">Thanks.</p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div class="">
                                          <div class=""> <br
                                              class="webkit-block-placeholder">
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
                                        <div class="">
                                          <p
                                            class="yiv4099544913MsoNormal">--Steve
                                            (1980 MGB)<span
                                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p>
                                        </div>
                                      </div>
                                      <br>
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 Battery connections can "look" fine.=C2=A0 There is a corrosion that sets =
up with disuse and the battery tenders tend to foster this.=C2=A0 Just take=
 off the battery connections and clean off the battery posts with a battery=
 cleaning tool.=C2=A0 You know, the one with the stiff steel bristles you p=
ut over the post and turn back and forth.=C2=A0 Then do the same for the ba=
ttery cable connections.=C2=A0 You would be surprised how many times it's t=
he simple things like this that are the problem.Mike MacLean69 MGB GT

    On Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 1:21:59 PM PDT, Steve Shoyer via Mgs <mgs@a=
utox.team.net> wrote: =20
=20
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I actually look at the battery connections every time I drive, when I disco=
nnect and then reconnect the battery tender clamps.=C2=A0 They seem clean a=
nd tight.
=20
If the battery (or battery connection) was bad, would there still be enough=
 power to start the car when it was cold, and to run the starter for a long=
 time after the car was warm but wouldn't start?=C2=A0 I can try disconnect=
ing the battery tender to see how the battery reacts to only charging from =
the alternator.
=20
--Steve=C2=A0 (1980 MGB)
=20
 On 3/10/2020 3:50 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:
 =20
=20
 Head? Coil? Now you=E2=80=99re grasping at straws. And carb doesn=E2=80=99=
t match the symptoms.=20
  I think Mike was right. Clean and tighten the battery connections. They a=
re out of sight so are frequently neglected. Have you looked at them since =
you installed the battery?=20
 =20
    -- Max Heim '66 MGB   =20
 =20
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ote:=20
 =20
Thanks.=C2=A0 I don't think it's the battery.=C2=A0 The battery is about tw=
o years old, and it's been plugged into a battery tender over the winter.=
=C2=A0 I didn't have any trouble getting the starter to crank, and I was ru=
nning the starter for a while without the battery appearing to run down.
=20
I'll have to test it by starting the car cold, driving it around my neighbo=
rhood for a while, then parking it back in my garage and trying to restart =
it after 20-30 minutes.=C2=A0 If it won't start I can pull the plugs and ta=
ke a look, and also test the battery to see if it wasn't holding the charge=
.=C2=A0 I can also check compression at that point - maybe the head gets lo=
ose when it warms up?
=20
=20
I also thought it might be the coil - I had read that sometimes after the c=
oil gets warm it can cause intermittent problems.=C2=A0 If that was the cas=
e I'd think the car wouldn't run after being push started, but I'm far from=
 an expert.=C2=A0 I was just guessing at the carb because I've never been g=
ood at tuning carbs, and it's the last thing I changed on the car.
=20
--Steve
=20
 On 3/10/2020 3:17 PM, Michael MacLean via Mgs wrote:
 =20
  Check the battery connections, clean and replace.
  Mike MacLean 69 MGB GT
 =20
     On Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 11:41:43 AM PDT, dave via Mgs=C2=A0<mgs@au=
tox.team.net>=C2=A0wrote:=C2=A0=20
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What is the voltage on the battery?=C2=A0 See:
 =C2=A0
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age-range
 =C2=A0
  =C2=A0
    =20
From:=C2=A0Mgs=C2=A0<[email-masked]>=C2=A0On Behalf Of=C2=A0Max=
 Heim via Mgs
 Sent:=C2=A0Tuesday, March 10, 2020 12:59 PM
 To:=C2=A0MGs=C2=A0<[email-masked]>
 Subject:=C2=A0Re: [Mgs] MGB not (re)starting
   =C2=A0
 =20
What makes you think it was carb related? The fact that you could push star=
t it makes me think it was more likely battery or starter related. It being=
 the end of winter, I suspect a flat battery.
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  =20
'66 MGB
      =C2=A0
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On Mar 10, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Steve Shoyer via Mgs <[email-masked]> wro=
te:
  =C2=A0
    =20
It was in the 70's yesterday, so I took my 1980 MGB out for a ride.=C2=A0 M=
y current carb is a Weber 38 DGES that I installed when I replaced the cam =
two years ago.=C2=A0 I drove around last year and it was running well, unti=
l one day when I stopped at a store for a few minutes and then couldn't get=
 the car restarted.=C2=A0 After trying to get it going I wound up calling m=
y daughter for help and we got it push-started.=C2=A0 Yesterday the same th=
ing happened.=C2=A0 After the push start the car ran fine, but I just drove=
 it home rather than risk another problem.=C2=A0 I was trying some starter =
fluid to get it going yesterday, but that didn't work.=C2=A0 I thought that=
 maybe the gas in the tank is old, but the car started up after a little cr=
anking when I originally left the house.=C2=A0
   =C2=A0
   =20
Any suggestions on where to look?=C2=A0 I didn't plumb the coolant line thr=
ough the manifold to heat it, but I don't drive too much in cold weather so=
 I didn't think it would be needed.=C2=A0 I thought that the problem last s=
ummer could have been vapor lock, but starter fluid should have worked if t=
hat was the issue.=C2=A0
   =C2=A0
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   =C2=A0
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k" fine.&nbsp; There is a corrosion that sets up with disuse and the batter=
y tenders tend to foster this.&nbsp; Just take off the battery connections =
and clean off the battery posts with a battery cleaning tool.&nbsp; You kno=
w, the one with the stiff steel bristles you put over the post and turn bac=
k and forth.&nbsp; Then do the same for the battery cable connections.&nbsp=
; You would be surprised how many times it's the simple things like this th=
at are the problem.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Mike MacLea=
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    <p>I actually look at the battery connections every time I drive,
      when I disconnect and then reconnect the battery tender clamps.&nbsp;
      They seem clean and tight.</p>
    <p>If the battery (or battery connection) was bad, would there still
      be enough power to start the car when it was cold, and to run the
      starter for a long time after the car was warm but wouldn't
      start?&nbsp; I can try disconnecting the battery tender to see how th=
e
      battery reacts to only charging from the alternator.</p>
    <p>--Steve&nbsp; (1980 MGB)<br clear=3D"none">
    </p>
    <div class=3D"yiv4564730960yqt9980022898" id=3D"yiv4564730960yqtfd76888=
"><div class=3D"yiv4564730960moz-cite-prefix">On 3/10/2020 3:50 PM, Max Hei=
m via Mgs
      wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
      </blockquote></div></div><div class=3D"yiv4564730960yqt9980022898" id=
=3D"yiv4564730960yqtfd55001"><div>
      Head? Coil? Now you=E2=80=99re grasping at straws. And carb doesn=E2=
=80=99t match
      the symptoms.
      <div class=3D"yiv4564730960"><br class=3D"yiv4564730960" clear=3D"non=
e">
      </div>
      <div class=3D"yiv4564730960">I think Mike was right. Clean and tighte=
n the
        battery connections. They are out of sight so are frequently
        neglected. Have you looked at them since you installed the
        battery?</div>
      <div class=3D"yiv4564730960"><br class=3D"yiv4564730960" clear=3D"non=
e">
      </div>
      <div class=3D"yiv4564730960"><br class=3D"yiv4564730960" clear=3D"non=
e">
        <div class=3D"yiv4564730960">
          <div class=3D"yiv4564730960" style=3D"color:rgb(0, 0, 0);letter-s=
pacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-s=
pacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word;">
            <div class=3D"yiv4564730960" style=3D"color:rgb(0, 0, 0);letter=
-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word=
-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word;">
              <div class=3D"yiv4564730960" style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13=
px;">--</div>
              <div class=3D"yiv4564730960" style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13=
px;min-height:16px;">Max Heim</div>
              <div class=3D"yiv4564730960" style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13=
px;">'66
                MGB</div>
            </div>
          </div>
        </div>
        <br class=3D"yiv4564730960" clear=3D"none">
        <div>
          <blockquote class=3D"yiv4564730960" type=3D"cite">
            <div class=3D"yiv4564730960">On Mar 10, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Stev=
e Shoyer via
              Mgs &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv456473=
0960" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailt=
o:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
            <br class=3D"yiv4564730960Apple-interchange-newline" clear=3D"n=
one">
            <div class=3D"yiv4564730960">
              <p class=3D"yiv4564730960" style=3D"font-family:Verdana;font-=
size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-i=
ndent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;">Thanks.=
&nbsp; I
                don't think it's the battery.&nbsp; The battery is about tw=
o
                years old, and it's been plugged into a battery tender
                over the winter.&nbsp; I didn't have any trouble getting th=
e
                starter to crank, and I was running the starter for a
                while without the battery appearing to run down.</p>
              <p class=3D"yiv4564730960" style=3D"font-family:Verdana;font-=
size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-i=
ndent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;">I'll ha=
ve to
                test it by starting the car cold, driving it around my
                neighborhood for a while, then parking it back in my
                garage and trying to restart it after 20-30 minutes.&nbsp; =
If
                it won't start I can pull the plugs and take a look, and
                also test the battery to see if it wasn't holding the
                charge.&nbsp; I can also check compression at that point -
                maybe the head gets loose when it warms up?<br class=3D"yiv=
4564730960" clear=3D"none">
              </p>
              <p class=3D"yiv4564730960" style=3D"font-family:Verdana;font-=
size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-i=
ndent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;">I also =
thought
                it might be the coil - I had read that sometimes after
                the coil gets warm it can cause intermittent problems.&nbsp=
;
                If that was the case I'd think the car wouldn't run
                after being push started, but I'm far from an expert.&nbsp;=
 I
                was just guessing at the carb because I've never been
                good at tuning carbs, and it's the last thing I changed
                on the car.</p>
              <p class=3D"yiv4564730960" style=3D"font-family:Verdana;font-=
size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-i=
ndent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;">--Steve=
<br class=3D"yiv4564730960" clear=3D"none">
              </p>
              <div class=3D"yiv4564730960moz-cite-prefix" style=3D"font-fam=
ily:Verdana;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spac=
ing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spac=
ing:0px;">On 3/10/2020 3:17 PM,
                Michael MacLean via Mgs wrote:<br class=3D"yiv4564730960" c=
lear=3D"none">
              </div>
              <blockquote class=3D"yiv4564730960" type=3D"cite" style=3D"fo=
nt-family:Verdana;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;lette=
r-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;wor=
d-spacing:0px;">
                <div class=3D"yiv4564730960ydpf7b70219yahoo-style-wrap" sty=
le=3D"font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:16p=
x;">
                  <div class=3D"yiv4564730960" dir=3D"ltr">Check the
                    battery connections, clean and replace.<br class=3D"yiv=
4564730960" clear=3D"none">
                  </div>
                  <div class=3D"yiv4564730960" dir=3D"ltr">Mike
                    MacLean</div>
                  <div class=3D"yiv4564730960" dir=3D"ltr">69 MGB GT<br cla=
ss=3D"yiv4564730960" clear=3D"none">
                  </div>
                  <div class=3D"yiv4564730960"><br class=3D"yiv4564730960" =
clear=3D"none">
                  </div>
                </div>
                <div class=3D"yiv4564730960yahoo_quoted" id=3D"yiv456473096=
0yahoo_quoted_4146678925">
                  <div class=3D"yiv4564730960" style=3D"font-family:'Helvet=
ica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(38,       =
              40, 42);">
                    <div class=3D"yiv4564730960">On Tuesday, March 10, 2020=
, 11:41:43
                      AM PDT, dave via Mgs<span class=3D"yiv4564730960Apple=
-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" class=3D"=
yiv4564730960moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" t=
arget=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&=
gt;</a><span class=3D"yiv4564730960Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>wrot=
e:<span class=3D"yiv4564730960Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></div>
                    <div class=3D"yiv4564730960"><br class=3D"yiv4564730960=
" clear=3D"none">
                    </div>
                    <div class=3D"yiv4564730960"><br class=3D"yiv4564730960=
" clear=3D"none">
                    </div>
                    <div class=3D"yiv4564730960">
                      <div class=3D"yiv4564730960" id=3D"yiv4564730960">
                        <div class=3D"yiv4564730960">
                          <div class=3D"yiv4564730960WordSection1">
                            <p class=3D"yiv4564730960MsoNormal">What is
                              the voltage on the battery?&nbsp; See:</p>
                            <div class=3D"yiv4564730960">&nbsp;<br class=3D=
"yiv4564730960webkit-block-placeholder" clear=3D"none">
                            </div>
                            <p class=3D"yiv4564730960MsoNormal"><a rel=3D"n=
ofollow" shape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv4564730960" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"h=
ttps://shop.advanceautoparts.com/r/advice/car-maintenance/car-battery-volta=
ge-range" style=3D"color:blue;text-decoration:underline;">https://shop.adva=
nceautoparts.com/r/advice/car-maintenance/car-battery-voltage-range</a></p>
                            <div class=3D"yiv4564730960">&nbsp;<br class=3D=
"yiv4564730960webkit-block-placeholder" clear=3D"none">
                            </div>
                            <div class=3D"yiv4564730960">&nbsp;<br class=3D=
"yiv4564730960webkit-block-placeholder" clear=3D"none">
                            </div>
                            <div class=3D"yiv4564730960yqt8942878181" id=3D=
"yiv4564730960yqt49081">
                              <div class=3D"yiv4564730960">
                                <div class=3D"yiv4564730960" style=3D"borde=
r-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;border-top-color:rgb(225, 225,=
 225);padding:3pt 0in 0in;">
                                  <p class=3D"yiv4564730960MsoNormal"><b cl=
ass=3D"yiv4564730960">From:</b><span class=3D"yiv4564730960Apple-converted-=
space">&nbsp;</span>Mgs<span class=3D"yiv4564730960Apple-converted-space">&=
nbsp;</span><a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv4564730960moz-tx=
t-link-rfc2396E" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_b=
lank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color:blue;text-d=
ecoration:underline;">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><span class=3D"=
yiv4564730960Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><b class=3D"yiv4564730960"=
>On Behalf Of<span class=3D"yiv4564730960Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</spa=
n></b>Max
                                    Heim via Mgs<br class=3D"yiv4564730960"=
 clear=3D"none">
                                    <b class=3D"yiv4564730960">Sent:</b><sp=
an class=3D"yiv4564730960Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Tuesday,
                                    March 10, 2020 12:59 PM<br class=3D"yiv=
4564730960" clear=3D"none">
                                    <b class=3D"yiv4564730960">To:</b><span=
 class=3D"yiv4564730960Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>MGs<span class=
=3D"yiv4564730960Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a rel=3D"nofollow" sh=
ape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv4564730960moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" s=
tyle=3D"color:blue;text-decoration:underline;">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</=
a><br class=3D"yiv4564730960" clear=3D"none">
                                    <b class=3D"yiv4564730960">Subject:</b>=
<span class=3D"yiv4564730960Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re:
                                    [Mgs] MGB not (re)starting</p>
                                </div>
                              </div>
                              <div class=3D"yiv4564730960">&nbsp;<br class=
=3D"yiv4564730960webkit-block-placeholder" clear=3D"none">
                              </div>
                              <p class=3D"yiv4564730960MsoNormal">What
                                makes you think it was carb related? The
                                fact that you could push start it makes
                                me think it was more likely battery or
                                starter related. It being the end of
                                winter, I suspect a flat battery.</p>
                              <div class=3D"yiv4564730960">
                                <div class=3D"yiv4564730960">&nbsp;<br clas=
s=3D"yiv4564730960webkit-block-placeholder" clear=3D"none">
                                </div>
                              </div>
                            </div>
                            <div class=3D"yiv4564730960">
                              <div class=3D"yiv4564730960yqt8942878181" id=
=3D"yiv4564730960yqt99890">
                                <div class=3D"yiv4564730960">
                                  <div class=3D"yiv4564730960">
                                    <div class=3D"yiv4564730960">
                                      <div class=3D"yiv4564730960">
                                        <p class=3D"yiv4564730960MsoNormal"=
><span class=3D"yiv4564730960" style=3D"font-size:10pt;">--</span></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div class=3D"yiv4564730960">
                                        <p class=3D"yiv4564730960MsoNormal"=
><span class=3D"yiv4564730960" style=3D"font-size:10pt;">Max Heim</span></p=
>
                                      </div>
                                      <div class=3D"yiv4564730960">
                                        <p class=3D"yiv4564730960MsoNormal"=
><span class=3D"yiv4564730960" style=3D"font-size:10pt;">'66 MGB</span></p>
                                      </div>
                                    </div>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                                <div class=3D"yiv4564730960">
                                  <div class=3D"yiv4564730960">&nbsp;<br cl=
ass=3D"yiv4564730960webkit-block-placeholder" clear=3D"none">
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                                <div class=3D"yiv4564730960">&nbsp;<br clas=
s=3D"yiv4564730960webkit-block-placeholder" clear=3D"none">
                                </div>
                                <div class=3D"yiv4564730960">
                                  <blockquote class=3D"yiv4564730960" style=
=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt;">
                                    <div class=3D"yiv4564730960">
                                      <p class=3D"yiv4564730960MsoNormal">O=
n
                                        Mar 10, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Steve
                                        Shoyer via Mgs &lt;<a rel=3D"nofoll=
ow" shape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv4564730960" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color:b=
lue;text-decoration:underline;">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                                        wrote:</p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div class=3D"yiv4564730960">&nbsp;<br =
class=3D"yiv4564730960webkit-block-placeholder" clear=3D"none">
                                    </div>
                                    <div class=3D"yiv4564730960">
                                      <div class=3D"yiv4564730960">
                                        <div class=3D"yiv4564730960">
                                          <p class=3D"yiv4564730960MsoNorma=
l">It
                                            was in the 70's yesterday,
                                            so I took my 1980 MGB out
                                            for a ride.&nbsp; My current ca=
rb
                                            is a Weber 38 DGES that I
                                            installed when I replaced
                                            the cam two years ago.&nbsp; I
                                            drove around last year and
                                            it was running well, until
                                            one day when I stopped at a
                                            store for a few minutes and
                                            then couldn't get the car
                                            restarted.&nbsp; After trying t=
o
                                            get it going I wound up
                                            calling my daughter for help
                                            and we got it push-started.&nbs=
p;
                                            Yesterday the same thing
                                            happened.&nbsp; After the push
                                            start the car ran fine, but
                                            I just drove it home rather
                                            than risk another problem.&nbsp=
;
                                            I was trying some starter
                                            fluid to get it going
                                            yesterday, but that didn't
                                            work.&nbsp; I thought that mayb=
e
                                            the gas in the tank is old,
                                            but the car started up after
                                            a little cranking when I
                                            originally left the house.<span=
 class=3D"yiv4564730960Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div class=3D"yiv4564730960">
                                          <div class=3D"yiv4564730960">&nbs=
p;<br class=3D"yiv4564730960webkit-block-placeholder" clear=3D"none">
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
                                        <div class=3D"yiv4564730960">
                                          <p class=3D"yiv4564730960MsoNorma=
l">Any
                                            suggestions on where to
                                            look?&nbsp; I didn't plumb the
                                            coolant line through the
                                            manifold to heat it, but I
                                            don't drive too much in cold
                                            weather so I didn't think it
                                            would be needed.&nbsp; I though=
t
                                            that the problem last summer
                                            could have been vapor lock,
                                            but starter fluid should
                                            have worked if that was the
                                            issue.<span class=3D"yiv4564730=
960Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div class=3D"yiv4564730960">
                                          <div class=3D"yiv4564730960">&nbs=
p;<br class=3D"yiv4564730960webkit-block-placeholder" clear=3D"none">
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
                                        <div class=3D"yiv4564730960">
                                          <p class=3D"yiv4564730960MsoNorma=
l">Thanks.</p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div class=3D"yiv4564730960">
                                          <div class=3D"yiv4564730960">&nbs=
p;<br class=3D"yiv4564730960webkit-block-placeholder" clear=3D"none">
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
                                        <div class=3D"yiv4564730960">
                                          <p class=3D"yiv4564730960MsoNorma=
l">--Steve
                                            (1980 MGB)<span class=3D"yiv456=
4730960Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></p>
                                        </div>
                                      </div>
                                      <br clear=3D"none">
                                    </div>
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   When cold, the battery connectors will be tighter thanks to contraction
and of the metal. When hot an otherwise solid connection can become
resistive or even open.
   Next time it won't start, turn on the headlights first and observe them
when attempting a start. If the dim appreciable the batter or its
connectors are the cause.

On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 3:28 PM Michael MacLean via Mgs <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> Battery connections can "look" fine.  There is a corrosion that sets up
> with disuse and the battery tenders tend to foster this.  Just take off t=
he
> battery connections and clean off the battery posts with a battery cleani=
ng
> tool.  You know, the one with the stiff steel bristles you put over the
> post and turn back and forth.  Then do the same for the battery cable
> connections.  You would be surprised how many times it's the simple thing=
s
> like this that are the problem.
> Mike MacLean
> 69 MGB GT
>
> On Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 1:21:59 PM PDT, Steve Shoyer via Mgs <
> [email-masked]> wrote:
>
>
> enough power to start the car when it was cold, and to run the starter fo=
r
> a long time after the car was warm but wouldn't start?  I can try
> Head? Coil? Now you=E2=80=99re grasping at straws. And carb doesn=E2=80=
=99t match the
> symptoms.
>
> I think Mike was right. Clean and tighten the battery connections. They
> are out of sight so are frequently neglected. Have you looked at them sin=
ce
> you installed the battery?
>
>
> --
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB
>
> On Mar 10, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Steve Shoyer via Mgs <[email-masked]>
> wrote:
>
> old, and it's been plugged into a battery tender over the winter.  I didn=
't
> have any trouble getting the starter to crank, and I was running the
> starter for a while without the battery appearing to run down.
>
> neighborhood for a while, then parking it back in my garage and trying to
> restart it after 20-30 minutes.  If it won't start I can pull the plugs a=
nd
> take a look, and also test the battery to see if it wasn't holding the
> charge.  I can also check compression at that point - maybe the head gets
> loose when it warms up?
>
> I also thought it might be the coil - I had read that sometimes after the
> coil gets warm it can cause intermittent problems.  If that was the case
> I'd think the car wouldn't run after being push started, but I'm far from
> an expert.  I was just guessing at the carb because I've never been good =
at
> tuning carbs, and it's the last thing I changed on the car.
>
> --Steve
> <[email-masked]> <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>
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>
>
>
> *From:* Mgs <[email-masked]> <[email-masked]> *On
> Behalf Of *Max Heim via Mgs
> *To:* MGs <[email-masked]> <[email-masked]>
> start it makes me think it was more likely battery or starter related. It
> being the end of winter, I suspect a flat battery.
>
>
> --
>
> Max Heim
>
> '66 MGB
>
>
>
> On Mar 10, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Steve Shoyer via Mgs <[email-masked]>
> wrote:
>
>
> current carb is a Weber 38 DGES that I installed when I replaced the cam
> two years ago.  I drove around last year and it was running well, until o=
ne
> day when I stopped at a store for a few minutes and then couldn't get the
> car restarted.  After trying to get it going I wound up calling my daught=
er
> for help and we got it push-started.  Yesterday the same thing happened.
> After the push start the car ran fine, but I just drove it home rather th=
an
> risk another problem.  I was trying some starter fluid to get it going
> yesterday, but that didn't work.  I thought that maybe the gas in the tan=
k
> is old, but the car started up after a little cranking when I originally
> left the house.
>
>
> Any suggestions on where to look?  I didn't plumb the coolant line throug=
h
> could have been vapor lock, but starter fluid should have worked if that
> was the issue.
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> --Steve (1980 MGB)
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0When cold, the battery connectors will be ti=
ghter thanks to contraction and of the metal. When hot an otherwise solid c=
onnection can become resistive or even open.<div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0=
Next time it won&#39;t start, turn on the headlights first and observe them=
 when attempting a start. If the dim appreciable the batter or its connecto=
rs are the cause.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr=
" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 3:28 PM Michael MacLean via Mg=
s &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrot=
e:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"font-family:t=
imes new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:16px"><div></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr">Battery connections can &quot;look&quot; fine.=C2=
=A0 There is a corrosion that sets up with disuse and the battery tenders t=
end to foster this.=C2=A0 Just take off the battery connections and clean o=
ff the battery posts with a battery cleaning tool.=C2=A0 You know, the one =
with the stiff steel bristles you put over the post and turn back and forth=
.=C2=A0 Then do the same for the battery cable connections.=C2=A0 You would=
 be surprised how many times it&#39;s the simple things like this that are =
the problem.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Mike MacLean</div><div dir=3D"ltr">69 MG=
B GT<br></div><div><br></div>
       =20
        </div><div id=3D"m_8510077427096754117yahoo_quoted_4044554679">
            <div style=3D"font-family:&#39;Helvetica Neue&#39;,Helvetica,Ar=
ial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a">
               =20
                <div>
                    On Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 1:21:59 PM PDT, Steve Shoye=
r via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:
                </div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><div id=3D"m_8510077427096754117yiv4564730960"><div>
    <p>I actually look at the battery connections every time I drive,
      when I disconnect and then reconnect the battery tender clamps.=C2=A0
      They seem clean and tight.</p>
    <p>If the battery (or battery connection) was bad, would there still
      be enough power to start the car when it was cold, and to run the
      starter for a long time after the car was warm but wouldn&#39;t
      start?=C2=A0 I can try disconnecting the battery tender to see how th=
e
      battery reacts to only charging from the alternator.</p>
    <p>--Steve=C2=A0 (1980 MGB)<br clear=3D"none">
    </p>
    <div id=3D"m_8510077427096754117yiv4564730960yqtfd76888"><div>On 3/10/2=
020 3:50 PM, Max Heim via Mgs
      wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
      </blockquote></div></div><div id=3D"m_8510077427096754117yiv456473096=
0yqtfd55001"><div>
      Head? Coil? Now you=E2=80=99re grasping at straws. And carb doesn=E2=
=80=99t match
      the symptoms.
      <div><br clear=3D"none">
      </div>
      <div>I think Mike was right. Clean and tighten the
        battery connections. They are out of sight so are frequently
        neglected. Have you looked at them since you installed the
        battery?</div>
      <div><br clear=3D"none">
      </div>
      <div><br clear=3D"none">
        <div>
          <div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:=
0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break=
-word">
            <div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);letter-spacing:normal;text-inden=
t:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:bre=
ak-word">
              <div style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px">--</div>
              <div style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px;min-height:16px">Max =
Heim</div>
              <div style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px">&#39;66
                MGB</div>
            </div>
          </div>
        </div>
        <br clear=3D"none">
        <div>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite">
            <div>On Mar 10, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Steve Shoyer via
              Mgs &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wr=
ote:</div>
            <br clear=3D"none">
            <div>
              <p style=3D"font-family:Verdana;font-size:12px;font-style:nor=
mal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform=
:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">Thanks.=C2=A0 I
                don&#39;t think it&#39;s the battery.=C2=A0 The battery is =
about two
                years old, and it&#39;s been plugged into a battery tender
                over the winter.=C2=A0 I didn&#39;t have any trouble gettin=
g the
                starter to crank, and I was running the starter for a
                while without the battery appearing to run down.</p>
              <p style=3D"font-family:Verdana;font-size:12px;font-style:nor=
mal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform=
:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">I&#39;ll have to
                test it by starting the car cold, driving it around my
                neighborhood for a while, then parking it back in my
                garage and trying to restart it after 20-30 minutes.=C2=A0 =
If
                it won&#39;t start I can pull the plugs and take a look, an=
d
                also test the battery to see if it wasn&#39;t holding the
                charge.=C2=A0 I can also check compression at that point -
                maybe the head gets loose when it warms up?<br clear=3D"non=
e">
              </p>
              <p style=3D"font-family:Verdana;font-size:12px;font-style:nor=
mal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform=
:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">I also thought
                it might be the coil - I had read that sometimes after
                the coil gets warm it can cause intermittent problems.=C2=
=A0
                If that was the case I&#39;d think the car wouldn&#39;t run
                after being push started, but I&#39;m far from an expert.=
=C2=A0 I
                was just guessing at the carb because I&#39;ve never been
                good at tuning carbs, and it&#39;s the last thing I changed
                on the car.</p>
              <p style=3D"font-family:Verdana;font-size:12px;font-style:nor=
mal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform=
:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">--Steve<br clear=3D"none">
              </p>
              <div style=3D"font-family:Verdana;font-size:12px;font-style:n=
ormal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transfo=
rm:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">On 3/10/2020 3:17 PM,
                Michael MacLean via Mgs wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
              </div>
              <blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"font-family:Verdana;font-s=
ize:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-in=
dent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
                <div style=3D"font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;,&#39;ne=
w york&#39;,times,serif;font-size:16px">
                  <div dir=3D"ltr">Check the
                    battery connections, clean and replace.<br clear=3D"non=
e">
                  </div>
                  <div dir=3D"ltr">Mike
                    MacLean</div>
                  <div dir=3D"ltr">69 MGB GT<br clear=3D"none">
                  </div>
                  <div><br clear=3D"none">
                  </div>
                </div>
                <div id=3D"m_8510077427096754117yiv4564730960yahoo_quoted_4=
146678925">
                  <div style=3D"font-family:&#39;Helvetica Neue&#39;,Helvet=
ica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(38,40,42)">
                    <div>On Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 11:41:43
                      AM PDT, dave via Mgs<span>=C2=A0</span><a rel=3D"nofo=
llow noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><span>=C2=A0</span>wrote:<span>=
=C2=A0</span></div>
                    <div><br clear=3D"none">
                    </div>
                    <div><br clear=3D"none">
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <div id=3D"m_8510077427096754117yiv4564730960">
                        <div>
                          <div>
                            <p>What is
                              the voltage on the battery?=C2=A0 See:</p>
                            <div>=C2=A0<br clear=3D"none">
                            </div>
                            <p><a rel=3D"nofollow noreferrer" shape=3D"rect=
" href=3D"https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/r/advice/car-maintenance/car-ba=
ttery-voltage-range" style=3D"color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target=
=3D"_blank">https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/r/advice/car-maintenance/car-=
battery-voltage-range</a></p>
                            <div>=C2=A0<br clear=3D"none">
                            </div>
                            <div>=C2=A0<br clear=3D"none">
                            </div>
                            <div id=3D"m_8510077427096754117yiv4564730960yq=
t49081">
                              <div>
                                <div style=3D"border-style:solid none none;=
border-top-width:1pt;border-top-color:rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"=
                                  <p><b>From:</b><span>=C2=A0</span>Mgs<spa=
n>=C2=A0</span><a rel=3D"nofollow noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]" style=3D"color:blue;text-decoration:underline"=
 target=3D"_blank">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><span>=C2=A0</span=
><b>On Behalf Of<span>=C2=A0</span></b>Max
                                    Heim via Mgs<br clear=3D"none">
                                    <b>Sent:</b><span>=C2=A0</span>Tuesday,
                                    March 10, 2020 12:59 PM<br clear=3D"non=
e">
                                    <b>To:</b><span>=C2=A0</span>MGs<span>=
=C2=A0</span><a rel=3D"nofollow noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:m=
[email-masked]" style=3D"color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target=3D=
"_blank">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br clear=3D"none">
                                    <b>Subject:</b><span>=C2=A0</span>Re:
                                    [Mgs] MGB not (re)starting</p>
                                </div>
                              </div>
                              <div>=C2=A0<br clear=3D"none">
                              </div>
                              <p>What
                                makes you think it was carb related? The
                                fact that you could push start it makes
                                me think it was more likely battery or
                                starter related. It being the end of
                                winter, I suspect a flat battery.</p>
                              <div>
                                <div>=C2=A0<br clear=3D"none">
                                </div>
                              </div>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <div id=3D"m_8510077427096754117yiv4564730960=
yqt99890">
                                <div>
                                  <div>
                                    <div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt">-=
-</span></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt">M=
ax Heim</span></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt">&=
#39;66 MGB</span></p>
                                      </div>
                                    </div>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <div>=C2=A0<br clear=3D"none">
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                                <div>=C2=A0<br clear=3D"none">
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margi=
n-bottom:5pt">
                                    <div>
                                      <p>On
                                        Mar 10, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Steve
                                        Shoyer via Mgs &lt;<a rel=3D"nofoll=
ow noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"c=
olor:blue;text-decoration:underline" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</=
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                                        wrote:</p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>=C2=A0<br clear=3D"none">
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p>It
                                            was in the 70&#39;s yesterday,
                                            so I took my 1980 MGB out
                                            for a ride.=C2=A0 My current ca=
rb
                                            is a Weber 38 DGES that I
                                            installed when I replaced
                                            the cam two years ago.=C2=A0 I
                                            drove around last year and
                                            it was running well, until
                                            one day when I stopped at a
                                            store for a few minutes and
                                            then couldn&#39;t get the car
                                            restarted.=C2=A0 After trying t=
o
                                            get it going I wound up
                                            calling my daughter for help
                                            and we got it push-started.=C2=
=A0
                                            Yesterday the same thing
                                            happened.=C2=A0 After the push
                                            start the car ran fine, but
                                            I just drove it home rather
                                            than risk another problem.=C2=
=A0
                                            I was trying some starter
                                            fluid to get it going
                                            yesterday, but that didn&#39;t
                                            work.=C2=A0 I thought that mayb=
e
                                            the gas in the tank is old,
                                            but the car started up after
                                            a little cranking when I
                                            originally left the house.<span=
>=C2=A0</span></p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <div>=C2=A0<br clear=3D"none">
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p>Any
                                            suggestions on where to
                                            look?=C2=A0 I didn&#39;t plumb =
the
                                            coolant line through the
                                            manifold to heat it, but I
                                            don&#39;t drive too much in col=
d
                                            weather so I didn&#39;t think i=
t
                                            would be needed.=C2=A0 I though=
t
                                            that the problem last summer
                                            could have been vapor lock,
                                            but starter fluid should
                                            have worked if that was the
                                            issue.<span>=C2=A0</span></p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <div>=C2=A0<br clear=3D"none">
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p>Thanks.</p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <div>=C2=A0<br clear=3D"none">
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p>--Steve
                                            (1980 MGB)<span>=C2=A0</span></=
p>
                                        </div>
                                      </div>
                                      <br clear=3D"none">
                                    </div>
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I need to replace my gas cap anyway, so I'll add a new ground cable 
(mine is a little frayed) to the order.  When I install the ground cable 
I'll clean the terminals and make sure everything is tight, and I'll see 
if that gets rid of the problem.  Maybe I'll order a spare coil to keep 
in the glove box (I still have trouble unlocking the trunk, but that's a 
different issue :-)) in case I get stuck and need something else to try.

Thanks for the suggestions.  I'm glad that the common opinion is that 
it's not a carb problem.

--Steve (1980 MGB)

On 3/10/2020 4:37 PM, Richard Lindsay wrote:
>    When cold, the battery connectors will be tighter thanks to 
> contraction and of the metal. When hot an otherwise solid connection 
> can become resistive or even open.
>    Next time it won't start, turn on the headlights first and observe 
> them when attempting a start. If the dim appreciable the batter or its 
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 3:28 PM Michael MacLean via Mgs 
>
>     Battery connections can "look" fine.  There is a corrosion that
>     sets up with disuse and the battery tenders tend to foster this. 
>     Just take off the battery connections and clean off the battery
>     posts with a battery cleaning tool.  You know, the one with the
>     stiff steel bristles you put over the post and turn back and
>     forth.  Then do the same for the battery cable connections.  You
>     would be surprised how many times it's the simple things like this
>     that are the problem.
>     Mike MacLean
>     69 MGB GT
>

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    <p>I need to replace my gas cap anyway, so I'll add a new ground
      cable (mine is a little frayed) to the order.  When I install the
      ground cable I'll clean the terminals and make sure everything is
      tight, and I'll see if that gets rid of the problem.  Maybe I'll
      order a spare coil to keep in the glove box (I still have trouble
      unlocking the trunk, but that's a different issue :-)) in case I
      get stuck and need something else to try.</p>
    <p>Thanks for the suggestions.  I'm glad that the common opinion is
      that it's not a carb problem.</p>
    <p>--Steve (1980 MGB)<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/10/2020 4:37 PM, Richard Lindsay
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      <div dir="auto">   When cold, the battery connectors will be
        tighter thanks to contraction and of the metal. When hot an
        otherwise solid connection can become resistive or even open.
        <div dir="auto">   Next time it won't start, turn on the
          headlights first and observe them when attempting a start. If
          the dim appreciable the batter or its connectors are the
          cause.</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 3:28 PM
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              <div dir="ltr">Battery connections can "look" fine.  There
                is a corrosion that sets up with disuse and the battery
                tenders tend to foster this.  Just take off the battery
                connections and clean off the battery posts with a
                battery cleaning tool.  You know, the one with the stiff
                steel bristles you put over the post and turn back and
                forth.  Then do the same for the battery cable
                connections.  You would be surprised how many times it's
                the simple things like this that are the problem.</div>
              <div dir="ltr">Mike MacLean</div>
              <div dir="ltr">69 MGB GT<br>
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Leaving a battery tender plugged in over winter is not a good idea.  It =
can cover up a failing battery and as soon as you leave it somewhere =
where it's not plugged in the battery can let you down.  If it's on all =
the time you don't know when and how often it is going into charge mode. =
 If you only plug it in periodically you can keep an eye on it and see =
how long it is in charge mode before it goes into maintenance mode, and =
that gives you an idea as to the condition of the battery.  About the =
only good reason for leaving one on all the time is when you are away =
from the property for some time and will need the car as soon as you =
return.  But with cut-off switches on all my cars I can leave them a =
couple of months or more and they will start just fine.

PaulH.
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  Thanks.  I don't think it's the battery.  The battery is about two =
years old, and it's been plugged into a battery tender over the winter.

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