Subject: Re: [Mgs] Starters

From: PaulHunt73 via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 14:57:17 -0000 yTK3ht1aZ/zJIvG0epNGV1j8BW34tZIvnNoPDZa/y3GLKi2G6x9n4lZ8T9f+pmhZcuC+6tX3tdqid7nriGs3NmQniu7lVPuiQAo=

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Yes and no.  Fitted it and turned the key and just got a whirr, heart =
sank as it sounded like the pinion wasn't engaging ... then the engine =
burst into life!  They really do fulfil all the claims made for them - =
less load on the battery, faster cranking, easier starting and less =
noise.  The only down-side is the cost being about three times that for =
a standard starter for the MGB at least.  The problem I had was it was =
an early one and the starter was only attached to the adapter plate with =
three self-tappers and some super-glue!  Needless to say it came apart =
in about a week and I replaced it with a conventional.

You do have to be careful with the term 'hi-torque' though.  Some =
vendors use this term for a modern version of a NON-geared starter.  =
They are slightly better all round than the originals but not as good as =
the geared.  However for the MGB in the UK they are even cheaper than a =
rebuilt original as they are used on dozens of makes and models.

With geared starters the solenoid is huge and in line with the pinion - =
look for the battery cable stud, it is the motor that is on the side and =
not much bigger.  With non-geared hi-torque the motor is in line with =
the pinion as normal, but smaller, and the solenoid is on the side and =
much smaller but about the same size as on the original starters.

You also have to check the number of pinion teeth is compatible, and a =
pre-engaged 'push' starter can be used to replace an inertia starter on =
the MGB at least.

One thing if you have a ballasted ignition system is does an alternative =
starter have the correct bypass contact on the solenoid?  Geared tend =
not to, non-geared tend to.  It's not a show-stopper, and alternative =
arrangements can be made if you need it.

PaulH.

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     Have any of you used the high torque gear reduction starters? If =
so, happy with them. My E-Type has decided to 'click' rather than start. =
The classic whack with a hammer hasn't helped. And since it's its an =
automatic, I can't roll-start it.

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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Yes and no.&nbsp; Fitted it and turned the key and =
just got a=20
whirr, heart sank as it sounded like the pinion wasn't engaging ... then =
the=20
engine burst into life!&nbsp; They really do fulfil all the claims made =
for them=20
- less load on the battery, faster cranking, easier starting and less=20
noise.&nbsp; The only down-side is the&nbsp;cost being about three times =
that=20
for a standard starter for the MGB at least.&nbsp; The problem I had was =
it was=20
an early one and the starter was only attached to the adapter plate with =
three=20
self-tappers and some super-glue!&nbsp; Needless to say it came apart in =
about a=20
week and I replaced it with a conventional.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>You do have to be careful with the term 'hi-torque'=20
though.&nbsp; Some vendors use this term for a modern version of a =
NON-geared=20
starter.&nbsp; They are slightly better all round than the originals but =
not as=20
good as the geared.&nbsp; However for the MGB in the UK they are even =
cheaper=20
than a rebuilt original as they are used on dozens of makes and=20
models.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>With geared starters the solenoid is huge and in =
line with the=20
pinion - look for the battery cable stud, it is the motor that is on the =
side=20
and not much bigger.&nbsp; </FONT><FONT size=3D2>With non-geared =
hi-torque the=20
motor is in line with the pinion as normal, but smaller, and the =
solenoid is on=20
the side and much smaller but about the same size as on the original=20
starters.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>You also have to check the number of pinion teeth is =

compatible, and a pre-engaged 'push' starter can be used to replace an =
inertia=20
starter on the MGB at least.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>One thing if you have a ballasted ignition system is =
does an=20
alternative starter have the correct bypass contact on the =
solenoid?&nbsp;=20
Geared tend not to, non-geared tend to.&nbsp; It's not a show-stopper, =
and=20
alternative arrangements can be made if you need it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>PaulH.</FONT></DIV>
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  any of you used the high torque gear reduction starters?</B> If so, =
happy with=20
  them. My E-Type has decided to 'click' rather than start. The classic =
whack=20
  with a hammer hasn't helped. And since it's its an automatic, I can't=20
  roll-start it.</DIV>
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 I used one in my '65 E-Type, and it worked great.=C2=A0 Never had a proble=
m and spun the engine much faster than the stock starter.=C2=A0 The old sta=
rter makes a good display item for your workshop.=C2=A0 I'll never use anot=
her one in the car.=C2=A0 I also used one in my TR-4 race car (13:1 compres=
sion ratio) and my TR-3A street car.=C2=A0 Never a problem with any of them=
.=C2=A0 I bought mine from Ted Schumacher at TS Imported Parts in Pandora, =
OH.

Jack

Jack

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 Hey friends,=C2=A0 =C2=A0Long time, no type.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Have any of you u=
sed the high torque gear reduction starters? If so, happy with them. My E-T=
ype has decided to 'click' rather than start. The classic whack with a hamm=
er hasn't helped. And since it's its an automatic, I can't roll-start it.
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        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">I used one in my '65 E-Type,=
 and it worked great.&nbsp; Never had a problem and spun the engine much fa=
ster than the stock starter.&nbsp; The old starter makes a good display ite=
m for your workshop.&nbsp; I'll never use another one in the car.&nbsp; I a=
lso used one in my TR-4 race car (13:1 compression ratio) and my TR-3A stre=
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 you used the high torque gear reduction starters?</b> If so, happy with th=
em. My E-Type has decided to 'click' rather than start. The classic whack w=
ith a hammer hasn't helped. And since it's its an automatic, I can't roll-s=
tart it.</div><div><br></div><div>Rick, in Houston</div></div></div>_______=
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From: Hans Duinhoven via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2020 19:14:10 +0100

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Hi Rick,

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I saw all the earlier replies.=20

Still it is good to be sure, that the battery is not low.

My BGT once had a faulty alternator, where there were leaky diodes.=20

I measured a continuous current when the engine was shut off and all =
electricity users also were switched off.

So the alternator has been overhauled and a new diode pack was the =
solution.

=20

I also once had a worn thread where the battery line was connected to =
the starter solenoid.

This caused poor connections and a click was the result, where the =
battery was not flat.

A replacement solenoid solved this issue.

=20

Hope you can find the solution.

=20

Cheers,

Hans

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Van: Mgs [mailto:[email-masked]] Namens Richard Lindsay via =
Mgs
Verzonden: woensdag 22 januari 2020 15:12
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Onderwerp: [Mgs] Starters

=20

Hey friends,

   Long time, no type.

   Have any of you used the high torque gear reduction starters? If so, =
happy with them. My E-Type has decided to 'click' rather than start. The =
classic whack with a hammer hasn't helped. And since it's its an =
automatic, I can't roll-start it.

=20

Rick, in Houston

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D'>Hi Rick,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
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D'>I saw all the earlier replies. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Still it is good to be sure, that the battery is not =
low.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>My BGT once had a faulty alternator, where there were leaky diodes. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I measured a continuous current when the engine was shut off and all =
electricity users also were switched off.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>So the alternator has been overhauled and a new diode pack was the =
solution.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I also once had a worn thread where the battery line was connected to =
the starter solenoid.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>This caused poor connections and a click was the result, where the =
battery was not flat.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>A replacement solenoid solved this issue.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Hope you can find the solution.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
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D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
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Mgs [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>Namens </b>Richard Lindsay =
via Mgs<br><b>Verzonden:</b> woensdag 22 januari 2020 =
15:12<br><b>Aan:</b> [email-masked] List<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> [Mgs] =
Starters<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Hey =
friends,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp; &nbsp;Long time, =
no type.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp; =
&nbsp;<b>Have any of you used the high torque gear reduction =
starters?</b> If so, happy with them. My E-Type has decided to 'click' =
rather than start. The classic whack with a hammer hasn't helped. And =
since it's its an automatic, I can't roll-start =
it.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Rick, in =
Houston<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>
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