Subject: Re: [Mgs] Electrical Nightmare

From: Barrie Robinson via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 15:05:43 -0500

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Hello folks,

I feel oh sort of superior! An unusual feeling in the MG world as I am a 
novice.  When I built my MGB GT V8 I was determined to make it bullet 
proof even if it meant not being "original". There is a chap, whose name 
escapes me, who put out an electrical wiring harness design which was 
"point to point". He was a big time engineer in Triumph so I followed 
his design and actually bought parts form him.   It had a central 
"control box" with solenoids, fuses etc etc.   So that's what I have in 
my GT.   Bags of fuses and there are no branches causing confusion.    
It is not original true, but then it is bulletproof.   Probably no more 
expensive than buying a harness from British Wiring or others if you do 
it yourself.

I have his article, complete with diagrams, from the British V8 outfit 
which was pure MGs but now any Brit V8 !!

Barrie.

On 1/16/2020 2:41 PM, Hans Duinhoven via Mgs wrote:
>
> Looking to your picture, I think it is better to do a thorough wiring 
> job.
>
> It looks, like the car has been exposed to “nature” for many times.
>
> This means, a lot of contacts are suspect of being poor or bad.
>
> So besides true fault finding, I’d dismantle all wiring and get all 
> contacts cleaned.
>
> Clean all bullet connectors and replace all their interconnects.
>
> Clean all other connectors and replace these when they are bad.
>
> I did this with my BGT in 1996 and after that job I never had any 
> electrical failures, besides a faulty alternator (diode pack) and 
> starter solenoid, where the nut did not keep the 12 V wires fixed 
> anymore.
>
> So get a matching electrical diagram of the car’s built year.
>
> The Haynes MGB manual always helped me out.
>
> Hope this helps for the long term.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Hans
>
> ’71 BGT
>
> *Van:*Mgs [mailto:[email-masked]] *Namens *Max Heim via Mgs
> *Verzonden:* donderdag 16 januari 2020 20:20
> *Aan:* Michael MacLean
> *CC:* MGs
> *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] Electrical Nightmare
>
> I think you still have a ground problem. Should the steering column 
> have a separate ground wire on a 69? I know there is one in the turn 
> signal harness.
>
> It does help to consult the wiring diagram, to figure out where the 
> common grounds are.
>
> --
>
> Max Heim
>
> '66 MGB
>
>     On Jan 16, 2020, at 11:06 AM, Michael MacLean via Mgs
>
>     In an earlier post I told how my tach in my 69 GT would die when
>     the headlights were turned on.  Someone mentioned that the tach
>     was looking for a ground through the light wiring for the
>     instrument.  That turned out to be true, somewhat.  To test this I
>     pulled the instrument to inspect the wiring and found what you see
>     in the picture.  One arrow points to the ground connection on the
>     back of the case and the other arrow points to a common ground
>     just floating around behind the instrument.  For an experiment I
>     slipped the ground wire connector over the threaded mouting stud
>     of the case back and shoved the tach back into place temporarily
>     to find out about the missing ground theory.  It worked!  You
>     didn't think it was going to be that easy did you?  The light had
>     not illuminated the instrument before either, so after scraping
>     and sanding the bulb hlder and the tube fitting on the back of the
>     tach that the bulb shoves into, the light worked too, but wait
>     there's more!  After this hollow victory I had to use the horn on
>     the test drive. Now the horn does not work, but when I push on the
>     steering wheel stalk to activate the horn, the brake warning light
>     comes on.  I just love electrical problems.  Not in my element
>     here.  Any ideas?
>
>     Mike MacLean
>
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    <font size="-1"><font face="Arial">Hello folks,<br>
        <br>
        I feel oh sort of superior! An unusual feeling in the MG world
        as I am a novice.  When I built my MGB GT V8 I was determined to
        make it bullet proof even if it meant not being "original". 
        There is a chap, whose name escapes me, who put out an
        electrical wiring harness design which was "point to point".  
        He was a big time engineer in Triumph so I followed his design
        and actually bought parts form him.   It had a central "control
        box" with solenoids, fuses etc etc.   So that's what I have in
        my GT.   Bags of fuses and there are no branches causing
        confusion.    It is not original true, but then it is
        bulletproof.   Probably no more expensive than buying a harness
        from British Wiring or others if you do it yourself.<br>
        <br>
        I have his article, complete with diagrams, from the British V8
        outfit which was pure MGs but now any Brit V8 !!<br>
        <br>
        Barrie.<br>
      </font></font><br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/16/2020 2:41 PM, Hans Duinhoven
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-US">Looking to your picture, I think it is better
            to do a thorough wiring job. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
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            “nature” for many times. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-US">This means, a lot of contacts are suspect of
            being poor or bad. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-US">So besides true fault finding, I’d dismantle
            all wiring and get all contacts cleaned.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-US">Clean all bullet connectors and replace all
            their interconnects.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-US">Clean all other connectors and replace these
            when they are bad.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-US">I did this with my BGT in 1996 and after that
            job I never had any electrical failures, besides a faulty
            alternator (diode pack) and starter solenoid, where the nut
            did not keep the 12 V wires fixed anymore. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-US">So get a matching electrical diagram of the
            car’s built year.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-US">The Haynes MGB manual always helped me out.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-US">Hope this helps for the long term.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-US">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-US">’71 BGT<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Van:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">
                Mgs [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:[email-masked]</a>] <b>Namens </b>Max
                Heim via Mgs<br>
                <b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 16 januari 2020 20:20<br>
                <b>Aan:</b> Michael MacLean<br>
                <b>CC:</b> MGs<br>
                <b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Electrical Nightmare<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">I think you still have a ground problem.
          Should the steering column have a separate ground wire on a
          69? I know there is one in the turn signal harness.<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        </div>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal">It does help to consult the wiring
            diagram, to figure out where the common grounds are.<o:p></o:p></p>
        </div>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        </div>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                    style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">--<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">Max Heim<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">'66 MGB<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">On Jan 16, 2020, at 11:06 AM, Michael
                MacLean via Mgs &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">In an earlier post I told how
                      my tach in my 69 GT would die when the headlights
                      were turned on.  Someone mentioned that the tach
                      was looking for a ground through the light wiring
                      for the instrument.  That turned out to be true,
                      somewhat.  To test this I pulled the instrument to
                      inspect the wiring and found what you see in the
                      picture.  One arrow points to the ground
                      connection on the back of the case and the other
                      arrow points to a common ground just floating
                      around behind the instrument.  For an experiment I
                      slipped the ground wire connector over the
                      threaded mouting stud of the case back and shoved
                      the tach back into place temporarily to find out
                      about the missing ground theory.  It worked!  You
                      didn't think it was going to be that easy did
                      you?  The light had not illuminated the instrument
                      before either, so after scraping and sanding the
                      bulb hlder and the tube fitting on the back of the
                      tach that the bulb shoves into, the light worked
                      too, but wait there's more!  After this hollow
                      victory I had to use the horn on the test drive. 
                      Now the horn does not work, but when I push on the
                      steering wheel stalk to activate the horn, the
                      brake warning light comes on.  I just love
                      electrical problems.  Not in my element here.  Any
                      ideas?<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Mike MacLean<o:p></o:p></p>
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IF you are willing to put in the time and effort, you can build your own
wiring harness.  I did that on a 67.  I followed the wiring diagram, used
the correct colors, but - I put in a 10 fuse fuse box (I think - its been a
while).  Everything has its own fuse sized accordingly.  The lights, horns,
blinkers, electric fan, etc.  took my untold hours to figure it out.

Wiring is actually simple -  power to fuse to switch to device to ground.
That's it.  Pretty much everything follows that.  Do the circuits one at a
time and it will be easy, use twist ties to hold everything together, then
tie wraps, then cut those off and wrap it.

From: Mgs <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Barrie Robinson via Mgs
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 2:06 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Electrical Nightmare

Hello folks,

I feel oh sort of superior! An unusual feeling in the MG world as I am a
novice.  When I built my MGB GT V8 I was determined to make it bullet proof
even if it meant not being "original".  There is a chap, whose name escapes
me, who put out an electrical wiring harness design which was "point to
point".   He was a big time engineer in Triumph so I followed his design and
actually bought parts form him.   It had a central "control box" with
solenoids, fuses etc etc.   So that's what I have in my GT.   Bags of fuses
and there are no branches causing confusion.    It is not original true, but
then it is bulletproof.   Probably no more expensive than buying a harness
from British Wiring or others if you do it yourself.

I have his article, complete with diagrams, from the British V8 outfit which
was pure MGs but now any Brit V8 !!

Barrie.

Looking to your picture, I think it is better to do a thorough wiring job. 

It looks, like the car has been exposed to "nature" for many times. 

So besides true fault finding, I'd dismantle all wiring and get all contacts
cleaned.

I did this with my BGT in 1996 and after that job I never had any electrical
failures, besides a faulty alternator (diode pack) and starter solenoid,
where the nut did not keep the 12 V wires fixed anymore. 

So get a matching electrical diagram of the car's built year.

Cheers,

Hans

'71 BGT

Van: Mgs [mailto:[email-masked]] Namens Max Heim via Mgs
Verzonden: donderdag 16 januari 2020 20:20
Aan: Michael MacLean
CC: MGs
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Electrical Nightmare

I think you still have a ground problem. Should the steering column have a
separate ground wire on a 69? I know there is one in the turn signal
harness.

It does help to consult the wiring diagram, to figure out where the common
grounds are.

--

Max Heim

'66 MGB

On Jan 16, 2020, at 11:06 AM, Michael MacLean via Mgs <[email-masked]

In an earlier post I told how my tach in my 69 GT would die when the
headlights were turned on.  Someone mentioned that the tach was looking for
a ground through the light wiring for the instrument.  That turned out to be
true, somewhat.  To test this I pulled the instrument to inspect the wiring
and found what you see in the picture.  One arrow points to the ground
connection on the back of the case and the other arrow points to a common
ground just floating around behind the instrument.  For an experiment I
slipped the ground wire connector over the threaded mouting stud of the case
back and shoved the tach back into place temporarily to find out about the
missing ground theory.  It worked!  You didn't think it was going to be that
easy did you?  The light had not illuminated the instrument before either,
so after scraping and sanding the bulb hlder and the tube fitting on the
back of the tach that the bulb shoves into, the light worked too, but wait
there's more!  After this hollow victory I had to use the horn on the test
drive.  Now the horn does not work, but when I push on the steering wheel
stalk to activate the horn, the brake warning light comes on.  I just love
electrical problems.  Not in my element here.  Any ideas?

Mike MacLean

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>IF you are =
willing to put in the time and effort, you can build your own wiring =
harness.&nbsp; I did that on a 67.&nbsp; I followed the wiring diagram, =
used the correct colors, but &#8211; I put in a 10 fuse fuse box (I =
think &#8211; its been a while).&nbsp; Everything has its own fuse sized =
accordingly.&nbsp; The lights, horns, blinkers, electric fan, etc.&nbsp; =
took my untold hours to figure it out.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Wiring is =
actually simple -&nbsp; power to fuse to switch to device to =
ground.&nbsp; That&#8217;s it.&nbsp; Pretty much everything follows =
that.&nbsp; Do the circuits one at a time and it will be easy, use twist =
ties to hold everything together, then tie wraps, then cut those off and =
wrap it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><=
/b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> =
Mgs &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Barrie =
Robinson via Mgs<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 16, 2020 2:06 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mgs] =
Electrical Nightmare<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Hello =
folks,<br><br>I feel oh sort of superior! An unusual feeling in the MG =
world as I am a novice.&nbsp; When I built my MGB GT V8 I was determined =
to make it bullet proof even if it meant not being =
&quot;original&quot;.&nbsp; There is a chap, whose name escapes me, who =
put out an electrical wiring harness design which was &quot;point to =
point&quot;.&nbsp;&nbsp; He was a big time engineer in Triumph so I =
followed his design and actually bought parts form him.&nbsp;&nbsp; It =
had a central &quot;control box&quot; with solenoids, fuses etc =
etc.&nbsp;&nbsp; So that's what I have in my GT.&nbsp;&nbsp; Bags of =
fuses and there are no branches causing confusion.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; It =
is not original true, but then it is bulletproof.&nbsp;&nbsp; Probably =
no more expensive than buying a harness from British Wiring or others if =
you do it yourself.<br><br>I have his article, complete with diagrams, =
from the British V8 outfit which was pure MGs but now any Brit V8 =
!!<br><br>Barrie.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On 1/16/2020 2:41 PM, Hans Duinhoven via Mgs =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>Looking to your picture, I think it is better to do a thorough wiring =
job. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>It looks, like the car has been exposed to &#8220;nature&#8221; for =
many times. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>This means, a lot of contacts are suspect of being poor or bad. =
</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>So besides true fault finding, I&#8217;d dismantle all wiring and get =
all contacts cleaned.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>Clean all bullet connectors and replace all their =
interconnects.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>Clean all other connectors and replace these when they are =
bad.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>I did this with my BGT in 1996 and after that job I never had any =
electrical failures, besides a faulty alternator (diode pack) and =
starter solenoid, where the nut did not keep the 12 V wires fixed =
anymore. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>So get a matching electrical diagram of the car&#8217;s built =
year.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>The Haynes MGB manual always helped me out.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>Hope this helps for the long term.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>Cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>Hans</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>&#8217;71 BGT</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div =
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>Van:</span></b=
><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> Mgs =
[<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:[email-masked].=
net</a>] <b>Namens </b>Max Heim via Mgs<br><b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag =
16 januari 2020 20:20<br><b>Aan:</b> Michael MacLean<br><b>CC:</b> =
MGs<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Electrical =
Nightmare</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I think you =
still have a ground problem. Should the steering column have a separate =
ground wire on a 69? I know there is one in the turn signal =
harness.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>It does help to consult the wiring diagram, to figure =
out where the common grounds are.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>--</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Max =
Heim</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>'66 =
MGB</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On Jan 16, 2020, at 11:06 AM, Michael MacLean via Mgs =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>In an earlier post I told how my tach in my 69 GT =
would die when the headlights were turned on.&nbsp; Someone mentioned =
that the tach was looking for a ground through the light wiring for the =
instrument.&nbsp; That turned out to be true, somewhat.&nbsp; To test =
this I pulled the instrument to inspect the wiring and found what you =
see in the picture.&nbsp; One arrow points to the ground connection on =
the back of the case and the other arrow points to a common ground just =
floating around behind the instrument.&nbsp; For an experiment I slipped =
the ground wire connector over the threaded mouting stud of the case =
back and shoved the tach back into place temporarily to find out about =
the missing ground theory.&nbsp; It worked!&nbsp; You didn't think it =
was going to be that easy did you?&nbsp; The light had not illuminated =
the instrument before either, so after scraping and sanding the bulb =
hlder and the tube fitting on the back of the tach that the bulb shoves =
into, the light worked too, but wait there's more!&nbsp; After this =
hollow victory I had to use the horn on the test drive.&nbsp; Now the =
horn does not work, but when I push on the steering wheel stalk to =
activate the horn, the brake warning light comes on.&nbsp; I just love =
electrical problems.&nbsp; Not in my element here.&nbsp; Any =
ideas?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Mike =
MacLean<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p =
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That=E2=80=99s admirable, but let=E2=80=99s keep this in perspective.

There is nothing necessarily wrong with 50-year-old wiring. The copper =
is good, and the insulation is usually in pretty good shape, too, except =
maybe one or two runs in the engine compartment that get pretty hot. The =
cloth bundling may be ragged, but that has nothing to do with electrical =
faults.

It=E2=80=99s just corrosion at the junctions, and the physical condition =
of the female connectors, that are the issues here. Let=E2=80=99s not =
intimidate the man into thinking he needs to rewire the entire vehicle. =
Going through the connections is something that can be done a little at =
a time. Pull one, clean the male leads, smear on some dielectric grease, =
pop on a new female connector if warranted. They tend to be clustered in =
a few places =E2=80=94 if you pull them one at a time there is less =
chance of misconnection.

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Max Heim
'66 MGB

> On Jan 16, 2020, at 1:27 PM, dave via Mgs <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> IF you are willing to put in the time and effort, you can build your =
own wiring harness.  I did that on a 67.  I followed the wiring diagram, =
used the correct colors, but =E2=80=93 I put in a 10 fuse fuse box (I =
think =E2=80=93 its been a while).  Everything has its own fuse sized =
accordingly.  The lights, horns, blinkers, electric fan, etc.  took my =
untold hours to figure it out.
> =20
> Wiring is actually simple -  power to fuse to switch to device to =
ground.  That=E2=80=99s it.  Pretty much everything follows that.  Do =
the circuits one at a time and it will be easy, use twist ties to hold =
everything together, then tie wraps, then cut those off and wrap it.
> =20
> From: Mgs <[email-masked] =
Mgs
> =20
>=20
> I feel oh sort of superior! An unusual feeling in the MG world as I am =
a novice.  When I built my MGB GT V8 I was determined to make it bullet =
proof even if it meant not being "original".  There is a chap, whose =
name escapes me, who put out an electrical wiring harness design which =
was "point to point".   He was a big time engineer in Triumph so I =
followed his design and actually bought parts form him.   It had a =
central "control box" with solenoids, fuses etc etc.   So that's what I =
have in my GT.   Bags of fuses and there are no branches causing =
confusion.    It is not original true, but then it is bulletproof.   =
Probably no more expensive than buying a harness from British Wiring or =
others if you do it yourself.
>=20
> I have his article, complete with diagrams, from the British V8 outfit =
>=20
>=20
>> =20
job.=20
>> It looks, like the car has been exposed to =E2=80=9Cnature=E2=80=9D =
for many times.=20
>> This means, a lot of contacts are suspect of being poor or bad.=20
>> So besides true fault finding, I=E2=80=99d dismantle all wiring and =
get all contacts cleaned.
anymore.=20
>> =20
>> So get a matching electrical diagram of the car=E2=80=99s built year.
>> =20
>> =20
>> =E2=80=9971 BGT
>> =20
>> Van: Mgs [mailto:[email-masked] =
>> =20
>> I think you still have a ground problem. Should the steering column =
have a separate ground wire on a 69? I know there is one in the turn =
signal harness.
>> =20
>> It does help to consult the wiring diagram, to figure out where the =
common grounds are.
>> =20
>> =20
>> --
>> Max Heim
>> '66 MGB
>> =20
>>> On Jan 16, 2020, at 11:06 AM, Michael MacLean via Mgs =
>>> =20
>>> In an earlier post I told how my tach in my 69 GT would die when the =
headlights were turned on.  Someone mentioned that the tach was looking =
for a ground through the light wiring for the instrument.  That turned =
out to be true, somewhat.  To test this I pulled the instrument to =
inspect the wiring and found what you see in the picture.  One arrow =
points to the ground connection on the back of the case and the other =
arrow points to a common ground just floating around behind the =
instrument.  For an experiment I slipped the ground wire connector over =
the threaded mouting stud of the case back and shoved the tach back into =
place temporarily to find out about the missing ground theory.  It =
worked!  You didn't think it was going to be that easy did you?  The =
light had not illuminated the instrument before either, so after =
scraping and sanding the bulb hlder and the tube fitting on the back of =
the tach that the bulb shoves into, the light worked too, but wait =
there's more!  After this hollow victory I had to use the horn on the =
test drive.  Now the horn does not work, but when I push on the steering =
wheel stalk to activate the horn, the brake warning light comes on.  I =
just love electrical problems.  Not in my element here.  Any ideas?
>>>=20
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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">That=E2=80=99s admirable, but let=E2=80=99s keep this in =
perspective.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">There =
is nothing necessarily wrong with 50-year-old wiring. The copper is =
good, and the insulation is usually in pretty good shape, too, except =
maybe one or two runs in the engine compartment that get pretty hot. The =
cloth bundling may be ragged, but that has nothing to do with electrical =
faults.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">It=E2=80=
=99s just corrosion at the junctions, and the physical condition of the =
female connectors, that are the issues here. Let=E2=80=99s not =
intimidate the man into thinking he needs to rewire the entire vehicle. =
Going through the connections is something that can be done a little at =
a time. Pull one, clean the male leads, smear on some dielectric grease, =
pop on a new female connector if warranted. They tend to be clustered in =
a few places =E2=80=94 if you pull them one at a time there is less =
chance of misconnection.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; text-align: =
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min-height: 16px;" class=3D"">Max Heim</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; =
font-size: 13px;" class=3D"">'66 MGB</div></div></div>
</div>

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class=3D"">On Jan 16, 2020, at 1:27 PM, dave via Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; font-family: =
Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">IF you are willing to put in the time and =
effort, you can build your own wiring harness.&nbsp; I did that on a =
67.&nbsp; I followed the wiring diagram, used the correct colors, but =
=E2=80=93 I put in a 10 fuse fuse box (I think =E2=80=93 its been a =
while).&nbsp; Everything has its own fuse sized accordingly.&nbsp; The =
lights, horns, blinkers, electric fan, etc.&nbsp; took my untold hours =
to figure it out.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Wiring is actually simple =
-&nbsp; power to fuse to switch to device to ground.&nbsp; That=E2=80=99s =
it.&nbsp; Pretty much everything follows that.&nbsp; Do the circuits one =
at a time and it will be easy, use twist ties to hold everything =
together, then tie wraps, then cut those off and wrap it.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; =
border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><b class=3D"">On Behalf =
Of<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Barrie Robinson =
via Mgs<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Thursday, January 16, 2020 =
2:06 PM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a><br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Mgs] Electrical =
Nightmare<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Hello folks,<br class=3D""><br=
 class=3D"">I feel oh sort of superior! An unusual feeling in the MG =
world as I am a novice.&nbsp; When I built my MGB GT V8 I was determined =
to make it bullet proof even if it meant not being "original".&nbsp; =
There is a chap, whose name escapes me, who put out an electrical wiring =
harness design which was "point to point".&nbsp;&nbsp; He was a big time =
engineer in Triumph so I followed his design and actually bought parts =
form him.&nbsp;&nbsp; It had a central "control box" with solenoids, =
fuses etc etc.&nbsp;&nbsp; So that's what I have in my GT.&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Bags of fuses and there are no branches causing =
confusion.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; It is not original true, but then it is =
bulletproof.&nbsp;&nbsp; Probably no more expensive than buying a =
harness from British Wiring or others if you do it yourself.<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">I have his article, complete with diagrams, =
from the British V8 outfit which was pure MGs but now any Brit V8 !!<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Barrie.</span><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></p><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">On 1/16/2020 2:41 PM, Hans Duinhoven via =
Mgs wrote:<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><blockquote =
style=3D"margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=3D"" =
type=3D"cite"><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Looking to your picture, I think it is =
better to do a thorough wiring job.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">It looks, like the car has been exposed to =
=E2=80=9Cnature=E2=80=9D for many times.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">This means, a lot of contacts are suspect =
of being poor or bad.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">So besides true fault finding, I=E2=80=99d =
dismantle all wiring and get all contacts cleaned.</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Clean all bullet connectors and replace =
all their interconnects.</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D"">Clean all other connectors and replace these when they are =
bad.</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">I did this with my BGT =
in 1996 and after that job I never had any electrical failures, besides =
a faulty alternator (diode pack) and starter solenoid, where the nut did =
not keep the 12 V wires fixed anymore.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">So get a matching electrical diagram of =
the car=E2=80=99s built year.</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">The=
 Haynes MGB manual always helped me out.</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Hope this helps for the long =
term.</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Cheers,</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Hans</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D"">=E2=80=9971 BGT</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; =
border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Van:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Mgs [<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">mailto:[email-masked]</a>]<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><b class=3D"">Namens<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Max Heim via Mgs<br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Verzonden:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>donderdag 16 januari 2020 =
20:20<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Aan:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Michael MacLean<br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">CC:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>MGs<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Onderwerp:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Mgs] Electrical =
Nightmare</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">I think you still have a ground problem. =
Should the steering column have a separate ground wire on a 69? I know =
there is one in the turn signal harness.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D"">It does help to consult the wiring diagram, to figure out =
where the common grounds are.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;" class=3D"">--</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;" class=3D"">Max =
Heim</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;" =
class=3D"">'66 MGB</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D""><blockquote =
style=3D"margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=3D"" =
type=3D"cite"><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">On =
Jan 16, 2020, at 11:06 AM, Michael MacLean via Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D"">In an earlier post I told how my tach in my 69 GT would die =
when the headlights were turned on.&nbsp; Someone mentioned that the =
tach was looking for a ground through the light wiring for the =
instrument.&nbsp; That turned out to be true, somewhat.&nbsp; To test =
this I pulled the instrument to inspect the wiring and found what you =
see in the picture.&nbsp; One arrow points to the ground connection on =
the back of the case and the other arrow points to a common ground just =
floating around behind the instrument.&nbsp; For an experiment I slipped =
the ground wire connector over the threaded mouting stud of the case =
back and shoved the tach back into place temporarily to find out about =
the missing ground theory.&nbsp; It worked!&nbsp; You didn't think it =
was going to be that easy did you?&nbsp; The light had not illuminated =
the instrument before either, so after scraping and sanding the bulb =
hlder and the tube fitting on the back of the tach that the bulb shoves =
into, the light worked too, but wait there's more!&nbsp; After this =
hollow victory I had to use the horn on the test drive.&nbsp; Now the =
horn does not work, but when I push on the steering wheel stalk to =
activate the horn, the brake warning light comes on.&nbsp; I just love =
electrical problems.&nbsp; Not in my element here.&nbsp; Any ideas?<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D"">Mike MacLean<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
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Max is not wrong.   I had my Austin Healey in pieces so the wiring 
harness was out.   My wife and I used soft toothbrushes to clean the 
harness (car had been in a flood and had mud all over the place) then I 
buffed all the connector ends.   The car when finished ran like a Swiss 
sewing machine and never missed an electrical beat. It won first in the 
1989 Conclave for Austin Healeys - the Mecca for A-Hs

Oh happy days.
Barrie

On 1/16/2020 5:04 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:
> That’s admirable, but let’s keep this in perspective.
>
> There is nothing necessarily wrong with 50-year-old wiring. The copper 
> is good, and the insulation is usually in pretty good shape, too, 
> except maybe one or two runs in the engine compartment that get pretty 
> hot. The cloth bundling may be ragged, but that has nothing to do with 
> electrical faults.
>
> It’s just corrosion at the junctions, and the physical condition of 
> the female connectors, that are the issues here. Let’s not intimidate 
> the man into thinking he needs to rewire the entire vehicle. Going 
> through the connections is something that can be done a little at a 
> time. Pull one, clean the male leads, smear on some dielectric grease, 
> pop on a new female connector if warranted. They tend to be clustered 
> in a few places — if you pull them one at a time there is less chance 
> of misconnection.
>
> --
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB
>
>> On Jan 16, 2020, at 1:27 PM, dave via Mgs <[email-masked] 
>>
>> IF you are willing to put in the time and effort, you can build your 
>> own wiring harness.  I did that on a 67.  I followed the wiring 
>> diagram, used the correct colors, but – I put in a 10 fuse fuse box 
>> (I think – its been a while). Everything has its own fuse sized 
>> accordingly.  The lights, horns, blinkers, electric fan, etc.  took 
>> my untold hours to figure it out.
>> Wiring is actually simple - power to fuse to switch to device to 
>> ground.  That’s it.  Pretty much everything follows that.  Do the 
>> circuits one at a time and it will be easy, use twist ties to hold 
>> *From:*Mgs <[email-masked] 
>> *Sent:*Thursday, January 16, 2020 2:06 PM
>> *Subject:*Re: [Mgs] Electrical Nightmare
>>
>> Hello folks,
>>
>> I feel oh sort of superior! An unusual feeling in the MG world as I 
>> am a novice.  When I built my MGB GT V8 I was determined to make it 
>> bullet proof even if it meant not being "original".  There is a chap, 
>> whose name escapes me, who put out an electrical wiring harness 
>> design which was "point to point". He was a big time engineer in 
>> Triumph so I followed his design and actually bought parts form 
>> him.   It had a central "control box" with solenoids, fuses etc 
>> etc.   So that's what I have in my GT.   Bags of fuses and there are 
>> no branches causing confusion.    It is not original true, but then 
>> it is bulletproof.   Probably no more expensive than buying a harness 
>> outfit which was pure MGs but now any Brit V8 !!
>>
>> Barrie.
>>
>>> *Van:*Mgs [mailto:[email-masked]]*Namens*Max Heim via Mgs
>>> *Verzonden:*donderdag 16 januari 2020 20:20
>>> *Aan:*Michael MacLean
>>> *CC:*MGs
>>> *Onderwerp:*Re: [Mgs] Electrical Nightmare
>>>> the headlights were turned on.  Someone mentioned that the tach was 
>>>> looking for a ground through the light wiring for the instrument. 
>>>> That turned out to be true, somewhat. To test this I pulled the 
>>>> instrument to inspect the wiring and found what you see in the 
>>>> picture.  One arrow points to the ground connection on the back of 
>>>> the case and the other arrow points to a common ground just 
>>>> floating around behind the instrument.  For an experiment I slipped 
>>>> the ground wire connector over the threaded mouting stud of the 
>>>> case back and shoved the tach back into place temporarily to find 
>>>> out about the missing ground theory.  It worked!  You didn't think 
>>>> it was going to be that easy did you?  The light had not 
>>>> illuminated the instrument before either, so after scraping and 
>>>> sanding the bulb hlder and the tube fitting on the back of the tach 
>>>> that the bulb shoves into, the light worked too, but wait there's 
>>>> more!  After this hollow victory I had to use the horn on the test 
>>>> drive.  Now the horn does not work, but when I push on the steering 
>>>> wheel stalk to activate the horn, the brake warning light comes 
>>>> on.  I just love electrical problems.  Not in my element here.  Any 
>>>> ideas?
>>>> Mike MacLean
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    <font size="-1"><font face="Arial">Max is not wrong.   I had my
        Austin Healey in pieces so the wiring harness was out.   My wife
        and I used soft toothbrushes to clean the harness (car had been
        in a flood and had mud all over the place) then I buffed all the
        connector ends.   The car when finished ran like a Swiss sewing
        machine and never missed an electrical beat. It won first in the
        1989 Conclave for Austin Healeys - the Mecca for A-Hs<br>
        <br>
        Oh happy days.<br>
        Barrie<br>
      </font></font><br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/16/2020 5:04 PM, Max Heim via Mgs
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:[email-masked]">
      <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
      That’s admirable, but let’s keep this in perspective.
      <div class=""><br class="">
      </div>
      <div class="">There is nothing necessarily wrong with 50-year-old
        wiring. The copper is good, and the insulation is usually in
        pretty good shape, too, except maybe one or two runs in the
        engine compartment that get pretty hot. The cloth bundling may
        be ragged, but that has nothing to do with electrical faults.</div>
      <div class=""><br class="">
      </div>
      <div class="">It’s just corrosion at the junctions, and the
        physical condition of the female connectors, that are the issues
        here. Let’s not intimidate the man into thinking he needs to
        rewire the entire vehicle. Going through the connections is
        something that can be done a little at a time. Pull one, clean
        the male leads, smear on some dielectric grease, pop on a new
        female connector if warranted. They tend to be clustered in a
        few places — if you pull them one at a time there is less chance
        of misconnection.</div>
      <div class=""><br class="">
        <div class="">
          <div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal;
            text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
            white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;
            -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word;
            -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break:
            after-white-space;" class="">
            <div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal;
              text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
              white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;
              -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word;
              -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break:
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              <div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; min-height:
                16px;" class="">Max Heim</div>
              <div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 13px;" class="">'66
                MGB</div>
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          </div>
        </div>
        <br class="">
        <div>
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            <div class="">On Jan 16, 2020, at 1:27 PM, dave via Mgs &lt;<a
                href="mailto:[email-masked]" class=""
                moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
            <br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
            <div class="">
              <div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;
                font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style:
                normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent:
                0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
                word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
                  font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
                    style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                    sans-serif;" class="">IF you are willing to put in
                    the time and effort, you can build your own wiring
                    harness.  I did that on a 67.  I followed the wiring
                    diagram, used the correct colors, but – I put in a
                    10 fuse fuse box (I think – its been a while). 
                    Everything has its own fuse sized accordingly.  The
                    lights, horns, blinkers, electric fan, etc.  took my
                    untold hours to figure it out.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
                  font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
                    style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                    sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div>
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
                  font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
                    style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                    sans-serif;" class="">Wiring is actually simple - 
                    power to fuse to switch to device to ground.  That’s
                    it.  Pretty much everything follows that.  Do the
                    circuits one at a time and it will be easy, use
                    twist ties to hold everything together, then tie
                    wraps, then cut those off and wrap it.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
                  font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
                    style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                    sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div>
                <div class="">
                  <div style="border-style: solid none none;
                    border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225,
                    225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class="">
                    <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
                      12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"
                      class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;
                          font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span
                        style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                        sans-serif;" class=""><span
                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Mgs &lt;<a
                          href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                          style="color: blue; text-decoration:
                          underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<span
                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b
                          class="">On Behalf Of<span
                            class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Barrie
                        Robinson via Mgs<br class="">
                        <b class="">Sent:</b><span
                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday,
                        January 16, 2020 2:06 PM<br class="">
                        <b class="">To:</b><span
                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                          href="mailto:[email-masked]" style="color:
                          blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=""
                          moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a><br
                          class="">
                        <b class="">Subject:</b><span
                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                        [Mgs] Electrical Nightmare<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
                  </div>
                </div>
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
                  font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p
                    class=""> </o:p></div>
                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt;
                  font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
                  serif;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
                    Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Hello folks,<br
                      class="">
                    <br class="">
                    I feel oh sort of superior! An unusual feeling in
                    the MG world as I am a novice.  When I built my MGB
                    GT V8 I was determined to make it bullet proof even
                    if it meant not being "original".  There is a chap,
                    whose name escapes me, who put out an electrical
                    wiring harness design which was "point to point".  
                    He was a big time engineer in Triumph so I followed
                    his design and actually bought parts form him.   It
                    had a central "control box" with solenoids, fuses
                    etc etc.   So that's what I have in my GT.   Bags of
                    fuses and there are no branches causing
                    confusion.    It is not original true, but then it
                    is bulletproof.   Probably no more expensive than
                    buying a harness from British Wiring or others if
                    you do it yourself.<br class="">
                    <br class="">
                    I have his article, complete with diagrams, from the
                    British V8 outfit which was pure MGs but now any
                    Brit V8 !!<br class="">
                    <br class="">
                    Barrie.</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"
                    class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                <div class="">
                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
                    font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">On
                    1/16/2020 2:41 PM, Hans Duinhoven via Mgs wrote:<o:p
                      class=""></o:p></div>
                </div>
                <blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"
                  class="" type="cite">
                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
                    font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""> <o:p
                      class=""></o:p></div>
                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
                    font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
                      style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                      sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Looking
                      to your picture, I think it is better to do a
                      thorough wiring job.<span
                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p
                      class=""></o:p></div>
                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
                    font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
                      style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                      sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">It
                      looks, like the car has been exposed to “nature”
                      for many times.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p
                      class=""></o:p></div>
                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
                    font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
                      style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                      sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">This
                      means, a lot of contacts are suspect of being poor
                      or bad.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p
                      class=""></o:p></div>
                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
                    font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
                      style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                      sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">So
                      besides true fault finding, I’d dismantle all
                      wiring and get all contacts cleaned.</span><o:p
                      class=""></o:p></div>
                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
                    font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
                      style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                      sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Clean
                      all bullet connectors and replace all their
                      interconnects.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
                    font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
                      style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                      sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Clean
                      all other connectors and replace these when they
                      are bad.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
                    font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
                      style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                      sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">I
                      did this with my BGT in 1996 and after that job I
                      never had any electrical failures, besides a
                      faulty alternator (diode pack) and starter
                      solenoid, where the nut did not keep the 12 V
                      wires fixed anymore.<span
                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p
                      class=""></o:p></div>
                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
                    font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
                      style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                      sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p
                      class=""></o:p></div>
                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
                    font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
                      style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                      sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">So
                      get a matching electrical diagram of the car’s
                      built year.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
                    font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
                      style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                      sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">The
                      Haynes MGB manual always helped me out.</span><o:p
                      class=""></o:p></div>
                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
                    font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
                      style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                      sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p
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                    font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
                      style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                      sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Hope
                      this helps for the long term.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
                    font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
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                      sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p
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                    font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
                      style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                      sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Cheers,</span><o:p
                      class=""></o:p></div>
                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
                    font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
                      style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                      sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Hans</span><o:p
                      class=""></o:p></div>
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                    font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
                      style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                      sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">’71
                      BGT</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                            class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Mgs [<a
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                            class="">Namens<span
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                          Heim via Mgs<br class="">
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                          16 januari 2020 20:20<br class="">
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                          <b class="">Onderwerp:</b><span
                            class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                          [Mgs] Electrical Nightmare</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
                    font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">I
                    think you still have a ground problem. Should the
                    steering column have a separate ground wire on a 69?
                    I know there is one in the turn signal harness.<o:p
                      class=""></o:p></div>
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                    <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
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                      class="">It does help to consult the wiring
                      diagram, to figure out where the common grounds
                      are.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                              style="font-size: 10pt;" class="">'66 MGB</span><o:p
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                          class="">On Jan 16, 2020, at 11:06 AM, Michael
                          MacLean via Mgs &lt;<a
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                              <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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                                post I told how my tach in my 69 GT
                                would die when the headlights were
                                turned on.  Someone mentioned that the
                                tach was looking for a ground through
                                the light wiring for the instrument. 
                                That turned out to be true, somewhat. 
                                To test this I pulled the instrument to
                                inspect the wiring and found what you
                                see in the picture.  One arrow points to
                                the ground connection on the back of the
                                case and the other arrow points to a
                                common ground just floating around
                                behind the instrument.  For an
                                experiment I slipped the ground wire
                                connector over the threaded mouting stud
                                of the case back and shoved the tach
                                back into place temporarily to find out
                                about the missing ground theory.  It
                                worked!  You didn't think it was going
                                to be that easy did you?  The light had
                                not illuminated the instrument before
                                either, so after scraping and sanding
                                the bulb hlder and the tube fitting on
                                the back of the tach that the bulb
                                shoves into, the light worked too, but
                                wait there's more!  After this hollow
                                victory I had to use the horn on the
                                test drive.  Now the horn does not work,
                                but when I push on the steering wheel
                                stalk to activate the horn, the brake
                                warning light comes on.  I just love
                                electrical problems.  Not in my element
                                here.  Any ideas?<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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From: Michael MacLean via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 22:27:08 +0000 (UTC)

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 When I restored my Bugeye from the ground up I installed a new wiring harn=
ess.=C2=A0 I had a very good wiring diagram that included what sleeve conne=
ctor (single or double) went inline.=C2=A0 Along with many, many pictures o=
f concours Bugeyes I managed to get the wiring right the first time.=C2=A0 =
The one thing I learned was to coat the bullet connectors with Kopr Shield.=
=C2=A0 Kopr Shield is usually used for anti-seize applications and I did us=
e it on the exhaust bolts also.=C2=A0 The copper infused paste will not har=
den over time and keeps moisture and corrosion out of the connectors.=C2=A0=
 I did this 21 years ago to my Bugeye and there have been no electrical pro=
blems since then.
Mike MacLean
https://www.amazon.com/Thomas-Betts-CK-CP8TB-COMPOUND/dp/B002KKW27M

    On Thursday, January 16, 2020, 2:04:11 PM PST, Max Heim via Mgs <mgs@au=
tox.team.net> wrote: =20
=20
 That=E2=80=99s admirable, but let=E2=80=99s keep this in perspective.
There is nothing necessarily wrong with 50-year-old wiring. The copper is g=
ood, and the insulation is usually in pretty good shape, too, except maybe =
one or two runs in the engine compartment that get pretty hot. The cloth bu=
ndling may be ragged, but that has nothing to do with electrical faults.
It=E2=80=99s just corrosion at the junctions, and the physical condition of=
 the female connectors, that are the issues here. Let=E2=80=99s not intimid=
ate the man into thinking he needs to rewire the entire vehicle. Going thro=
ugh the connections is something that can be done a little at a time. Pull =
one, clean the male leads, smear on some dielectric grease, pop on a new fe=
male connector if warranted. They tend to be clustered in a few places =E2=
=80=94 if you pull them one at a time there is less chance of misconnection=
.
--Max Heim'66 MGB

On Jan 16, 2020, at 1:27 PM, dave via Mgs <[email-masked]> wrote:
IF you are willing to put in the time and effort, you can build your own wi=
ring harness.=C2=A0 I did that on a 67.=C2=A0 I followed the wiring diagram=
, used the correct colors, but =E2=80=93 I put in a 10 fuse fuse box (I thi=
nk =E2=80=93 its been a while).=C2=A0 Everything has its own fuse sized acc=
ordingly.=C2=A0 The lights, horns, blinkers, electric fan, etc.=C2=A0 took =
my untold hours to figure it out. =C2=A0Wiring is actually simple -=C2=A0 p=
ower to fuse to switch to device to ground.=C2=A0 That=E2=80=99s it.=C2=A0 =
Pretty much everything follows that.=C2=A0 Do the circuits one at a time an=
d it will be easy, use twist ties to hold everything together, then tie wra=
ps, then cut those off and wrap it. =C2=A0From:=C2=A0Mgs <mgs-bounces@autox=
.team.net>=C2=A0On Behalf Of=C2=A0Barrie Robinson via Mgs
Sent:=C2=A0Thursday, January 16, 2020 2:06 PM
To:=C2=[email-masked]
Subject:=C2=A0Re: [Mgs] Electrical Nightmare =C2=A0
Hello folks,

I feel oh sort of superior! An unusual feeling in the MG world as I am a no=
vice.=C2=A0 When I built my MGB GT V8 I was determined to make it bullet pr=
oof even if it meant not being "original".=C2=A0 There is a chap, whose nam=
e escapes me, who put out an electrical wiring harness design which was "po=
int to point".=C2=A0=C2=A0 He was a big time engineer in Triumph so I follo=
wed his design and actually bought parts form him.=C2=A0=C2=A0 It had a cen=
tral "control box" with solenoids, fuses etc etc.=C2=A0=C2=A0 So that's wha=
t I have in my GT.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Bags of fuses and there are no branches caus=
ing confusion.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 It is not original true, but then it is bu=
lletproof.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Probably no more expensive than buying a harness fro=
m British Wiring or others if you do it yourself.

I have his article, complete with diagrams, from the British V8 outfit whic=
h was pure MGs but now any Brit V8 !!

Barrie.
On 1/16/2020 2:41 PM, Hans Duinhoven via Mgs wrote:
=C2=A0Looking to your picture, I think it is better to do a thorough wiring=
 job.=C2=A0It looks, like the car has been exposed to =E2=80=9Cnature=E2=80=
=9D for many times.=C2=A0This means, a lot of contacts are suspect of being=
 poor or bad.=C2=A0So besides true fault finding, I=E2=80=99d dismantle all=
 wiring and get all contacts cleaned.Clean all bullet connectors and replac=
e all their interconnects.Clean all other connectors and replace these when=
 they are bad.I did this with my BGT in 1996 and after that job I never had=
 any electrical failures, besides a faulty alternator (diode pack) and star=
ter solenoid, where the nut did not keep the 12 V wires fixed anymore.=C2=
=A0=C2=A0So get a matching electrical diagram of the car=E2=80=99s built ye=
ar.The Haynes MGB manual always helped me out.=C2=A0Hope this helps for the=
 long term.=C2=A0Cheers,Hans=E2=80=9971 BGT=C2=A0Van:=C2=A0Mgs [mailto:mgs-=
[email-masked]]=C2=A0Namens=C2=A0Max Heim via Mgs
Verzonden:=C2=A0donderdag 16 januari 2020 20:20
Aan:=C2=A0Michael MacLean
CC:=C2=A0MGs
Onderwerp:=C2=A0Re: [Mgs] Electrical Nightmare=C2=A0I think you still have =
a ground problem. Should the steering column have a separate ground wire on=
 a 69? I know there is one in the turn signal harness.=C2=A0It does help to=
 consult the wiring diagram, to figure out where the common grounds are.=C2=
=A0=C2=A0--Max Heim'66 MGB=C2=A0
On Jan 16, 2020, at 11:06 AM, Michael MacLean via Mgs <[email-masked]> =
wrote:=C2=A0In an earlier post I told how my tach in my 69 GT would die whe=
n the headlights were turned on.=C2=A0 Someone mentioned that the tach was =
looking for a ground through the light wiring for the instrument.=C2=A0 Tha=
t turned out to be true, somewhat.=C2=A0 To test this I pulled the instrume=
nt to inspect the wiring and found what you see in the picture.=C2=A0 One a=
rrow points to the ground connection on the back of the case and the other =
arrow points to a common ground just floating around behind the instrument.=
=C2=A0 For an experiment I slipped the ground wire connector over the threa=
ded mouting stud of the case back and shoved the tach back into place tempo=
rarily to find out about the missing ground theory.=C2=A0 It worked!=C2=A0 =
You didn't think it was going to be that easy did you?=C2=A0 The light had =
not illuminated the instrument before either, so after scraping and sanding=
 the bulb hlder and the tube fitting on the back of the tach that the bulb =
shoves into, the light worked too, but wait there's more!=C2=A0 After this =
hollow victory I had to use the horn on the test drive.=C2=A0 Now the horn =
does not work, but when I push on the steering wheel stalk to activate the =
horn, the brake warning light comes on.=C2=A0 I just love electrical proble=
ms.=C2=A0 Not in my element here.=C2=A0 Any ideas?Mike MacLean_____________=
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<html><head></head><body><div class=3D"ydpf5783211yahoo-style-wrap" style=
=3D"font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"><d=
iv></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">When I restored my Bugeye fr=
om the ground up I installed a new wiring harness.&nbsp; I had a very good =
wiring diagram that included what sleeve connector (single or double) went =
inline.&nbsp; Along with many, many pictures of concours Bugeyes I managed =
to get the wiring right the first time.&nbsp; The one thing I learned was t=
o coat the bullet connectors with Kopr Shield.&nbsp; Kopr Shield is usually=
 used for anti-seize applications and I did use it on the exhaust bolts als=
o.&nbsp; The copper infused paste will not harden over time and keeps moist=
ure and corrosion out of the connectors.&nbsp; I did this 21 years ago to m=
y Bugeye and there have been no electrical problems since then.</div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"=
false">Mike MacLean</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><=
div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><a href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/Tho=
mas-Betts-CK-CP8TB-COMPOUND/dp/B002KKW27M" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blan=
k">https://www.amazon.com/Thomas-Betts-CK-CP8TB-COMPOUND/dp/B002KKW27M</a><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data=
-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div><br></div>
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                <div>
                    On Thursday, January 16, 2020, 2:04:11 PM PST, Max Heim=
 via Mgs &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
                </div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><div id=3D"yiv9284620834"><div>That=E2=80=99s admirabl=
e, but let=E2=80=99s keep this in perspective.<div class=3D"yiv9284620834">=
<br class=3D"yiv9284620834" clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv928462083=
4">There is nothing necessarily wrong with 50-year-old wiring. The copper i=
s good, and the insulation is usually in pretty good shape, too, except may=
be one or two runs in the engine compartment that get pretty hot. The cloth=
 bundling may be ragged, but that has nothing to do with electrical faults.=
</div><div class=3D"yiv9284620834"><br class=3D"yiv9284620834" clear=3D"non=
e"></div><div class=3D"yiv9284620834">It=E2=80=99s just corrosion at the ju=
nctions, and the physical condition of the female connectors, that are the =
issues here. Let=E2=80=99s not intimidate the man into thinking he needs to=
 rewire the entire vehicle. Going through the connections is something that=
 can be done a little at a time. Pull one, clean the male leads, smear on s=
ome dielectric grease, pop on a new female connector if warranted. They ten=
d to be clustered in a few places =E2=80=94 if you pull them one at a time =
there is less chance of misconnection.</div><div class=3D"yiv9284620834"><b=
r class=3D"yiv9284620834" clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv9284620834">
<div class=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"color:rgb(0, 0, 0);letter-spacing:nor=
mal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px=
;word-wrap:break-word;"><div class=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"color:rgb(0, =
0, 0);letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space=
:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word;"><div class=3D"yiv9284620834=
" style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px;">--</div><div class=3D"yiv9284620834"=
 style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px;min-height:16px;">Max Heim</div><div cl=
ass=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px;">'66 MGB</div></d=
iv></div>
</div>

<br class=3D"yiv9284620834" clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv9284620834yqt26=
18107357" id=3D"yiv9284620834yqt65127"><div><blockquote class=3D"yiv9284620=
834" type=3D"cite"><div class=3D"yiv9284620834">On Jan 16, 2020, at 1:27 PM=
, dave via Mgs &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv928462083=
4" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:m=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D"yiv9=
284620834Apple-interchange-newline" clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv9284620=
834"><div class=3D"yiv9284620834WordSection1" style=3D"font-family:Verdana;=
font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;t=
ext-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;"><d=
iv class=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;=
font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"yiv9284620834" style=
=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">IF you are willing to =
put in the time and effort, you can build your own wiring harness.&nbsp; I =
did that on a 67.&nbsp; I followed the wiring diagram, used the correct col=
ors, but =E2=80=93 I put in a 10 fuse fuse box (I think =E2=80=93 its been =
a while).&nbsp; Everything has its own fuse sized accordingly.&nbsp; The li=
ghts, horns, blinkers, electric fan, etc.&nbsp; took my untold hours to fig=
ure it out.</span></div><div class=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"margin:0in 0i=
n 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span clas=
s=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif=
;"> &nbsp;</span></div><div class=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"margin:0in 0in=
 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=
=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;=
">Wiring is actually simple -&nbsp; power to fuse to switch to device to gr=
ound.&nbsp; That=E2=80=99s it.&nbsp; Pretty much everything follows that.&n=
bsp; Do the circuits one at a time and it will be easy, use twist ties to h=
old everything together, then tie wraps, then cut those off and wrap it.</s=
pan></div><div class=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;fon=
t-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"yiv928462=
0834" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"> &nbsp;</sp=
an></div><div class=3D"yiv9284620834"><div class=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D=
"border-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;border-top-color:rgb(225=
, 225, 225);padding:3pt 0in 0in;"><div class=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"mar=
gin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;">=
<b class=3D"yiv9284620834"><span class=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"font-size=
:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span class=3D"yiv9=
284620834" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span =
class=3D"yiv9284620834Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Mgs &lt;<a rel=3D=
"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv9284620834" ymailto=3D"mailto:mgs-bou=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
m.net" style=3D"color:blue;text-decoration:underline;">[email-masked]=
am.net</a>&gt;<span class=3D"yiv9284620834Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</sp=
an><b class=3D"yiv9284620834">On Behalf Of<span class=3D"yiv9284620834Apple=
-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Barrie Robinson via Mgs<br class=3D"yiv9=
284620834" clear=3D"none"><b class=3D"yiv9284620834">Sent:</b><span class=
=3D"yiv9284620834Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Thursday, January 16, =
2020 2:06 PM<br class=3D"yiv9284620834" clear=3D"none"><b class=3D"yiv92846=
20834">To:</b><span class=3D"yiv9284620834Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</sp=
an><a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv9284620834" ymailto=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
t" style=3D"color:blue;text-decoration:underline;">[email-masked]</a><b=
r class=3D"yiv9284620834" clear=3D"none"><b class=3D"yiv9284620834">Subject=
:</b><span class=3D"yiv9284620834Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [M=
gs] Electrical Nightmare</span></div></div></div><div class=3D"yiv928462083=
4" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New R=
oman', serif;"> &nbsp;</div><p class=3D"yiv9284620834MsoNormal" style=3D"ma=
rgin:0in 0in 12pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><sp=
an class=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-=
serif;">Hello folks,<br class=3D"yiv9284620834" clear=3D"none"><br class=3D=
"yiv9284620834" clear=3D"none">I feel oh sort of superior! An unusual feeli=
ng in the MG world as I am a novice.&nbsp; When I built my MGB GT V8 I was =
determined to make it bullet proof even if it meant not being "original".&n=
bsp; There is a chap, whose name escapes me, who put out an electrical wiri=
ng harness design which was "point to point".&nbsp;&nbsp; He was a big time=
 engineer in Triumph so I followed his design and actually bought parts for=
m him.&nbsp;&nbsp; It had a central "control box" with solenoids, fuses etc=
 etc.&nbsp;&nbsp; So that's what I have in my GT.&nbsp;&nbsp; Bags of fuses=
 and there are no branches causing confusion.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; It is not o=
riginal true, but then it is bulletproof.&nbsp;&nbsp; Probably no more expe=
nsive than buying a harness from British Wiring or others if you do it your=
self.<br class=3D"yiv9284620834" clear=3D"none"><br class=3D"yiv9284620834"=
 clear=3D"none">I have his article, complete with diagrams, from the Britis=
h V8 outfit which was pure MGs but now any Brit V8 !!<br class=3D"yiv928462=
0834" clear=3D"none"><br class=3D"yiv9284620834" clear=3D"none">Barrie.</sp=
an><span class=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"font-size:11pt;"></span></p><div =
class=3D"yiv9284620834"><div class=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"margin:0in 0i=
n 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;">On 1/16/20=
20 2:41 PM, Hans Duinhoven via Mgs wrote:</div></div><blockquote class=3D"y=
iv9284620834" style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt;" type=3D"cite"><di=
v class=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;f=
ont-family:'Times New Roman', serif;">&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"yiv92846208=
34" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New =
Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-=
family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">Looking to your picture=
, I think it is better to do a thorough wiring job.<span class=3D"yiv928462=
0834Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></div><div class=3D"yiv92846=
20834" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times N=
ew Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"font-size:11pt;fo=
nt-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">It looks, like the c=
ar has been exposed to =E2=80=9Cnature=E2=80=9D for many times.<span class=
=3D"yiv9284620834Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></div><div clas=
s=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-fa=
mily:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"font=
-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">This me=
ans, a lot of contacts are suspect of being poor or bad.<span class=3D"yiv9=
284620834Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></div><div class=3D"yiv=
9284620834" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Ti=
mes New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"font-size:11=
pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">So besides true=
 fault finding, I=E2=80=99d dismantle all wiring and get all contacts clean=
ed.</span></div><div class=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001=
pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"yiv=
9284620834" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:r=
gb(31, 73, 125);">Clean all bullet connectors and replace all their interco=
nnects.</span></div><div class=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.=
0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D=
"yiv9284620834" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;col=
or:rgb(31, 73, 125);">Clean all other connectors and replace these when the=
y are bad.</span></div><div class=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"margin:0in 0in=
 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=
=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;=
color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">I did this with my BGT in 1996 and after that job =
I never had any electrical failures, besides a faulty alternator (diode pac=
k) and starter solenoid, where the nut did not keep the 12 V wires fixed an=
ymore.<span class=3D"yiv9284620834Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></spa=
n></div><div class=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-=
size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"yiv92846208=
34" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 7=
3, 125);">&nbsp;</span></div><div class=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"margin:0=
in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span=
 class=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-=
serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">So get a matching electrical diagram of the =
car=E2=80=99s built year.</span></div><div class=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D=
"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', seri=
f;"><span class=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calib=
ri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">The Haynes MGB manual always helped=
 me out.</span></div><div class=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0=
.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=
=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;=
color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">&nbsp;</span></div><div class=3D"yiv9284620834" st=
yle=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'=
, serif;"><span class=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family=
:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">Hope this helps for the long =
term.</span></div><div class=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.00=
01pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"y=
iv9284620834" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color=
:rgb(31, 73, 125);">&nbsp;</span></div><div class=3D"yiv9284620834" style=
=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', s=
erif;"><span class=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Ca=
libri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">Cheers,</span></div><div class=
=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-fam=
ily:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"font-=
size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">Hans</sp=
an></div><div class=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font=
-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"yiv9284620=
834" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, =
73, 125);">=E2=80=9971 BGT</span></div><div class=3D"yiv9284620834" style=
=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', s=
erif;"><span class=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Ca=
libri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">&nbsp;</span></div><div class=3D=
"yiv9284620834"><div class=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"border-style:solid no=
ne none;border-top-width:1pt;border-top-color:rgb(181, 196, 223);padding:3p=
t 0in 0in;"><div class=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;f=
ont-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><b class=3D"yiv9284620=
834"><span class=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Taho=
ma, sans-serif;">Van:</span></b><span class=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"font=
-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, sans-serif;"><span class=3D"yiv9284620834App=
le-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Mgs [<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" cl=
ass=3D"yiv9284620834" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color:blue;=
text-decoration:underline;">mailto:[email-masked]</a>]<span cla=
ss=3D"yiv9284620834Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><b class=3D"yiv92846=
20834">Namens<span class=3D"yiv9284620834Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</spa=
n></b>Max Heim via Mgs<br class=3D"yiv9284620834" clear=3D"none"><b class=
=3D"yiv9284620834">Verzonden:</b><span class=3D"yiv9284620834Apple-converte=
d-space">&nbsp;</span>donderdag 16 januari 2020 20:20<br class=3D"yiv928462=
0834" clear=3D"none"><b class=3D"yiv9284620834">Aan:</b><span class=3D"yiv9=
284620834Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Michael MacLean<br class=3D"yi=
v9284620834" clear=3D"none"><b class=3D"yiv9284620834">CC:</b><span class=
=3D"yiv9284620834Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>MGs<br class=3D"yiv928=
4620834" clear=3D"none"><b class=3D"yiv9284620834">Onderwerp:</b><span clas=
s=3D"yiv9284620834Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Mgs] Electrical =
Nightmare</span></div></div></div><div class=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"mar=
gin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;">=
&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;f=
ont-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;">I think you still have=
 a ground problem. Should the steering column have a separate ground wire o=
n a 69? I know there is one in the turn signal harness.</div><div class=3D"=
yiv9284620834"><div class=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001p=
t;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;">&nbsp;</div></div><=
div class=3D"yiv9284620834"><div class=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"margin:0i=
n 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;">It doe=
s help to consult the wiring diagram, to figure out where the common ground=
s are.</div></div><div class=3D"yiv9284620834"><div class=3D"yiv9284620834"=
 style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Rom=
an', serif;">&nbsp;</div></div><div class=3D"yiv9284620834"><div class=3D"y=
iv9284620834" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'=
Times New Roman', serif;">&nbsp;</div></div><div class=3D"yiv9284620834"><d=
iv class=3D"yiv9284620834"><div class=3D"yiv9284620834"><div class=3D"yiv92=
84620834"><div class=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;fon=
t-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"yiv928462=
0834" style=3D"font-size:10pt;">--</span></div></div><div class=3D"yiv92846=
20834"><div class=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-s=
ize:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"yiv928462083=
4" style=3D"font-size:10pt;">Max Heim</span></div></div><div class=3D"yiv92=
84620834"><div class=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;fon=
t-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=3D"yiv928462=
0834" style=3D"font-size:10pt;">'66 MGB</span></div></div></div></div></div=
><div class=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12=
pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;">&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"yiv9284=
620834"><blockquote class=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-=
bottom:5pt;" type=3D"cite"><div class=3D"yiv9284620834"><div class=3D"yiv92=
84620834" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Time=
s New Roman', serif;">On Jan 16, 2020, at 11:06 AM, Michael MacLean via Mgs=
 &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv9284620834" ymailto=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked].=
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&gt; wrote:</div></div><div class=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"margin:0in 0in=
 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;">&nbsp;</div=
><div class=3D"yiv9284620834"><div class=3D"yiv9284620834"><div class=3D"yi=
v9284620834"><div class=3D"yiv9284620834"><div class=3D"yiv9284620834" styl=
e=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', =
serif;">In an earlier post I told how my tach in my 69 GT would die when th=
e headlights were turned on.&nbsp; Someone mentioned that the tach was look=
ing for a ground through the light wiring for the instrument.&nbsp; That tu=
rned out to be true, somewhat.&nbsp; To test this I pulled the instrument t=
o inspect the wiring and found what you see in the picture.&nbsp; One arrow=
 points to the ground connection on the back of the case and the other arro=
w points to a common ground just floating around behind the instrument.&nbs=
p; For an experiment I slipped the ground wire connector over the threaded =
mouting stud of the case back and shoved the tach back into place temporari=
ly to find out about the missing ground theory.&nbsp; It worked!&nbsp; You =
didn't think it was going to be that easy did you?&nbsp; The light had not =
illuminated the instrument before either, so after scraping and sanding the=
 bulb hlder and the tube fitting on the back of the tach that the bulb shov=
es into, the light worked too, but wait there's more!&nbsp; After this holl=
ow victory I had to use the horn on the test drive.&nbsp; Now the horn does=
 not work, but when I push on the steering wheel stalk to activate the horn=
, the brake warning light comes on.&nbsp; I just love electrical problems.&=
nbsp; Not in my element here.&nbsp; Any ideas?</div></div><div class=3D"yiv=
9284620834"><div class=3D"yiv9284620834" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;f=
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