Subject: Re: [Mgs] Sunday morning, a bit OT

From: Hans Duinhoven via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 14:58:39 +0200

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Well Rick,

The Sunday in the Netherlands is dull due to autumn rain and chill temps. 

We=E2=80=99ve skipped the MGCC club tour, as it rains all day long.

But yesterday I spent work on two of my Puch classic mopeds (1970 -1973).

The 1973 model suffered of a broken central stand last year.

Left me in a nasty position being able to ride the bike, but not being able=
 to park it.

And a new stand is a problem, because these all are aftermarket and the qua=
lity is terrible.

Finally last week a replacement stand of acceptable quality was delivered a=
nd I made it fit.

As the bike stood still for over a year, it did not want to start unless th=
e choke was used all time.

It proved to be, that a stand still period for a long time is bad.

The European law forcing bio-ethanol added to the regular fuel makes a stil=
l standing carb clogged.

Last week 95 octane fuel has to be 10% bio-ethanol, which makes even post-m=
odern cars vulnerable for this nasty fuel additive.

So I=E2=80=99ll change the type of fuel for my mopeds to a special one. The=
 BGT will get the 98 octane fuel, which contains 5% bio-ethanol.

Cleaning the carb float chamber and jet solved the issue.

The bike went like old days again afterwards! 

The 1970 model suffered of a running hot piston (sudden high friction pisto=
n) a few months ago.

So a week ago I took all apart and the piston and cylinder showed overheati=
ng and were damaged.

So I replaced these.

Not a very difficult job to do, but again the aftermarket quality spoiled t=
he job somehow.

The exhaust side of the new cylinder is not really the same fit as the orig=
inal.

So I had to change the shape of the exhaust pipe flange, in order not hitti=
ng the cooling rib.

Also the exhaust pipe gasket had to be reshaped, in order to fit well with =
the flange.

Remembered me to the BGT=E2=80=99s replacement front bumper in the mid-nine=
ties.

Poor fit and lots of wiggling to get it mounted well. 

>From a wet Holland =E2=80=93 Cheers!

Hans

71 BGT NRG w/w no o/d

 

Van: Mgs [mailto:[email-masked]] Namens Richard Lindsay via Mgs=

Verzonden: zondag 6 oktober 2019 13:40
Aan: MGs
Onderwerp: [Mgs] Sunday morning, a bit OT

Hello Friends, and good morning from South Texas!

Another hot day is forecast for today so I plan to get my car work (play?) =
done early. Two jobs are in the queue, neither of which involves the Masera=
ti, strangely enough! :-P The first is filling two petrol jugs with fuel an=
d heading to my shop. The Triumph TR6 ran out of gas while moving it about =
yesterday. My grandson and I ended up pushing it into position, ready for t=
omorrow's transport.

Once the TR6 is fueled, its back to the house to spend an hour or so on the=
 MG TD. That car is to get the other half of its tune up. Specifically, the=
 timing will be checked, and adjusted as required,  valves adjusted, and th=
e SU carburetors will get cleaned and the linkage lubricated. The car will =
get a new brake master cylinder, but not today. Rather, a garage cleanup is=
 needed first so the master cylinder job can happen cleanly and efficiently=
=2E

As much as I have enjoyed working on the Biturbo, it's nice that I now don'=
t have to do so! It's running great. Yesterday, the car started at the firs=
t turn of the key and ran great as I moved cars around. After completing a =
few more competing projects, the car will get regular use.

You? How are you spending your Sunday? Any LBC projects in the queue. I kno=
w some of you are contemplating winter storage and maintenance projects for=
 your cars, but for us on America's south coast, its driving season!

Rick

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=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US=
 style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D=
'>Well Rick,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US s=
tyle=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>=
<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=
=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The =
Sunday in the Netherlands is dull due to autumn rain and chill temps. <o:p>=
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size=
:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We=E2=80=99ve ski=
pped the MGCC club tour, as it rains all day long.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cali=
bri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>But yesterday I spent work on two of my Pu=
ch classic mopeds (1970 -1973).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><=
span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-ser=
if";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span l=
ang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";co=
lor:#1F497D'>The 1973 model suffered of a broken central stand last year.<o=
:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-s=
ize:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Left me in a n=
asty position being able to ride the bike, but not being able to park it.<o=
:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-s=
ize:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>And a new stan=
d is a problem, because these all are aftermarket and the quality is terrib=
le.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'f=
ont-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Finally l=
ast week a replacement stand of acceptable quality was delivered and I made=
 it fit.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=
=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As t=
he bike stood still for over a year, it did not want to start unless the ch=
oke was used all time.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=
=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color=
:#1F497D'>It proved to be, that a stand still period for a long time is bad=
=2E<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'f=
ont-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The Europ=
ean law forcing bio-ethanol added to the regular fuel makes a still standin=
g carb clogged.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-U=
S style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Last week 95 octane fuel has to be 10% bio-ethanol, which makes even pos=
t-modern cars vulnerable for this nasty fuel additive.<o:p></o:p></span></p=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-fam=
ily:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So I=E2=80=99ll change the type o=
f fuel for my mopeds to a special one. The BGT will get the 98 octane fuel,=
 which contains 5% bio-ethanol.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><=
span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-ser=
if";color:#1F497D'>Cleaning the carb float chamber and jet solved the issue=
=2E<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'f=
ont-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The bike =
went like old days again afterwards! <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNo=
rmal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sa=
ns-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><=
span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-ser=
if";color:#1F497D'>The 1970 model suffered of a running hot piston (sudden =
high friction piston) a few months ago.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMso=
Normal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","=
sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So a week ago I took all apart and the piston an=
d cylinder showed overheating and were damaged.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So I replaced these.<o:p></o:p></span></=
p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-fa=
mily:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Not a very difficult job to do, =
but again the aftermarket quality spoiled the job somehow.<o:p></o:p></span=
></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font=
-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The exhaust side of the new c=
ylinder is not really the same fit as the original.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family=
:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So I had to change the shape of the =
exhaust pipe flange, in order not hitting the cooling rib.<o:p></o:p></span=
></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font=
-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Also the exhaust pipe gasket =
had to be reshaped, in order to fit well with the flange.<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family=
:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Remembered me to the BGT=E2=80=99s r=
eplacement front bumper in the mid-nineties.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cali=
bri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Poor fit and lots of wiggling to get it mo=
unted well. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US s=
tyle=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>=
<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=
=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>From=
 a wet Holland =E2=80=93 Cheers!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
<span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-se=
rif";color:#1F497D'>Hans<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span la=
ng=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";col=
or:#1F497D'>71 BGT NRG w/w no o/d<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal=
><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-s=
erif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span=
 lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";=
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=
=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color=
:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-=
US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F49=
7D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Van:</span></b=
><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-se=
rif"'> Mgs [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>Namens </b>Richard Lindsa=
y via Mgs<br><b>Verzonden:</b> zondag 6 oktober 2019 13:40<br><b>Aan:</b> M=
Gs<br><b>Ond</b></span><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Taho=
ma","sans-serif"'>erwerp:</span></b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> [Mgs] Sunday morning, a bit OT<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div style=3D'margin-t=
op:12.0pt;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Hello Friends, an=
d good morning from South Texas!<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o=
:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Another hot day is forec=
ast for today so I plan to get my car work (play?) done early. Two jobs are=
 in the queue, neither of which involves the Maserati, strangely enough! :-=
P The first is filling two petrol jugs with fuel and heading to my shop. Th=
e Triumph TR6 ran out of gas while moving it about yesterday. My grandson a=
nd I ended up pushing it into position, ready for tomorrow's transport.<o:p=
></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal>Once the TR6 is fueled, its back to the house to spend=
 an hour or so on the MG TD. That car is to get the other half of its tune =
up. Specifically, the timing will be checked, and adjusted as required,&nbs=
p; valves adjusted, and the SU carburetors will get cleaned and the linkage=
 lubricated. The car will get a new brake master cylinder, but not today. R=
ather, a garage cleanup is needed first so the master cylinder job can happ=
en cleanly and efficiently.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>As much as I have enjoy=
ed working on the Biturbo, it's nice that I now don't have to do so! It's r=
unning great. Yesterday, the car started at the first turn of the key and r=
an great as I moved cars around. After completing a few more competing proj=
ects, the car will get regular use.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMso=
Normal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>You? How are yo=
u spending your Sunday? Any LBC projects in the queue. I know some of you a=
re contemplating winter storage and maintenance projects for your cars, but=
 for us on America's south coast, its driving season!<o:p></o:p></p></div><=
div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al>Rick<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
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From: Craig Brownlee via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 16:05:05 -0500

Hi Rick,

I love what you do with your grandson. 

My Sunday afternoon is being spent researching  the MGB ignition process. My B hasn’t been driven much over the past few years because of a problem that I’m assuming is probably points related. It was running great after my mechanic did a tune up and then it started sputtering and now can’t pull itself around the driveway.  At the last service my mechanic convinced me to replace the Petronix electronic ignition for points. I’m hoping that reinstalling  the electronic ignition will cure my problem. 

Watching YouTube videos to make sure I will know how to do it. Finally cooling off here in Tulsa so it is perfect MG weather. 

Craig

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> On Oct 6, 2019, at 6:40 AM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> 
> Another hot day is forecast for today so I plan to get my car work (play?) done early. Two jobs are in the queue, neither of which involves the Maserati, strangely enough! :-P The first is filling two petrol jugs with fuel and heading to my shop. The Triumph TR6 ran out of gas while moving it about yesterday. My grandson and I ended up pushing it into position, ready for tomorrow's transport.
> 
> Once the TR6 is fueled, its back to the house to spend an hour or so on the MG TD. That car is to get the other half of its tune up. Specifically, the timing will be checked, and adjusted as required,  valves adjusted, and the SU carburetors will get cleaned and the linkage lubricated. The car will get a new brake master cylinder, but not today. Rather, a garage cleanup is needed first so the master cylinder job can happen cleanly and efficiently.
> 
> As much as I have enjoyed working on the Biturbo, it's nice that I now don't have to do so! It's running great. Yesterday, the car started at the first turn of the key and ran great as I moved cars around. After completing a few more competing projects, the car will get regular use.
> 
> You? How are you spending your Sunday? Any LBC projects in the queue. I know some of you are contemplating winter storage and maintenance projects for your cars, but for us on America's south coast, its driving season!
> 
> Rick
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From: Robert's New iPad via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 07:40:10 -0400

Hi Craig,
  Give the Pertronix a go, now that you have them/it.  It should work OK.
  Don’t be reticent about using points, though, as they can always be set well enough to limp home, whereas Pertronix works or not-no in between.
   Easily overlooked is the little, very little, black earth wire between the moving plate of distributor and the distributor body.  If you are experiencing intermittent electrics, check that for continuity, or better, replace the 40 year-old thing. 
Bob

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From: PaulHunt73 via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 12:52:58 +0100 0pyiZOgtOsFwW2fSIz9ekxS57/V7EnbFcSu4aYJw5H668hXE0bK6CImia9ukfoZWWkAhzClu1BcCJsPp9Y5EgdXBIb9o1kHiXXM=

If the points or other trigger are iffy you normally get the tach needle 
jumping around with any misfire.  If the tach is steady it's more likely to 
be HT or fuel.  Could be the condenser with points - especially if recently 
replaced, but they usually work or they don't.

The little wire Robert refers to - which originally was brown 
cloth-insulated tinsel wire - is needed for under-cap triggers such as 
Pertronix and points.  It's not used where only the pickup is under the cap 
and the electronics are external such as Optronic or Magnetronic.  With 
vacuum advance it is continually being flexed back and fore so can fracture 
eventually.  The 25D4 points wire from the external spade is the same.  On 
45D4 distributors where the points wire passes out though a hole in the 
distributor body, that is black plastic insulated, is designed to be more 
flexible than standard wire, but can still fracture internally.

PaulH.

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>   Easily overlooked is the little, very little, black earth wire between 
> the moving plate of distributor and the distributor body.  If you are 
> experiencing intermittent electrics, check that for continuity, or better, 
> replace the 40 year-old thing.

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