Subject: Re: [Mgs] Sunday morning, a bit OT

From: dave via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 10:10:16 -0500

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This morning I am recovering!!!!!

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We got back late last night from a fantastic trip running route 66 =
across Oklahoma, Kansas, and Missouri.  We trailered up from Dallas, =
left the rig with a friend in Tulsa, and had an absolutely amazing time. =
 Put 900 miles on the car all in all.  Saw some amazing sights and =
really experienced =E2=80=9CThe Mother Road.=E2=80=9D

=20

Traveled with my 30 year old son.  Good times!!!

=20

From: Mgs <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Rick via Mgs
Sent: Sunday, October 6, 2019 9:46 AM
To: Hans Duinhoven <[email-masked]>
Cc: MGs <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Sunday morning, a bit OT

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Thanks Hans, and good afternoon!=20

=20

   Alchohol contaminated petrol is a big problem here too, especially =
for older vehicles. It eats the inside of older rubber hoses!!! Replace =
every one of them before you experience a petrol fire!

=20

Rick

Attached: My TR3 a couple of years after I sold it.

=20

On Oct 6, 2019 7:58 AM, Hans Duinhoven via Mgs <[email-masked]> =
wrote:

Well Rick,

=20

The Sunday in the Netherlands is dull due to autumn rain and chill =
temps.=20

We=E2=80=99ve skipped the MGCC club tour, as it rains all day long.

=20

But yesterday I spent work on two of my Puch classic mopeds (1970 =
-1973).

=20

The 1973 model suffered of a broken central stand last year.

Left me in a nasty position being able to ride the bike, but not being =
able to park it.

And a new stand is a problem, because these all are aftermarket and the =
quality is terrible.

Finally last week a replacement stand of acceptable quality was =
delivered and I made it fit.

As the bike stood still for over a year, it did not want to start unless =
the choke was used all time.

It proved to be, that a stand still period for a long time is bad.

The European law forcing bio-ethanol added to the regular fuel makes a =
still standing carb clogged.

Last week 95 octane fuel has to be 10% bio-ethanol, which makes even =
post-modern cars vulnerable for this nasty fuel additive.

So I=E2=80=99ll change the type of fuel for my mopeds to a special one. =
The BGT will get the 98 octane fuel, which contains 5% bio-ethanol.

Cleaning the carb float chamber and jet solved the issue.

The bike went like old days again afterwards!=20

=20

The 1970 model suffered of a running hot piston (sudden high friction =
piston) a few months ago.

So a week ago I took all apart and the piston and cylinder showed =
overheating and were damaged.

So I replaced these.

Not a very difficult job to do, but again the aftermarket quality =
spoiled the job somehow.

The exhaust side of the new cylinder is not really the same fit as the =
original.

So I had to change the shape of the exhaust pipe flange, in order not =
hitting the cooling rib.

Also the exhaust pipe gasket had to be reshaped, in order to fit well =
with the flange.

=20

Remembered me to the BGT=E2=80=99s replacement front bumper in the =
mid-nineties.

Poor fit and lots of wiggling to get it mounted well.=20

=20

>From a wet Holland =E2=80=93 Cheers!

Hans

71 BGT NRG w/w no o/d

=20

=20

=20

=20

Van: Mgs [mailto:[email-masked]] Namens Richard Lindsay via =
Mgs
Verzonden: zondag 6 oktober 2019 13:40
Aan: MGs
Onderwerp: [Mgs] Sunday morning, a bit OT

=20

Hello Friends, and good morning from South Texas!

=20

Another hot day is forecast for today so I plan to get my car work =
(play?) done early. Two jobs are in the queue, neither of which involves =
the Maserati, strangely enough! :-P The first is filling two petrol jugs =
with fuel and heading to my shop. The Triumph TR6 ran out of gas while =
moving it about yesterday. My grandson and I ended up pushing it into =
position, ready for tomorrow's transport.

=20

Once the TR6 is fueled, its back to the house to spend an hour or so on =
the MG TD. That car is to get the other half of its tune up. =
Specifically, the timing will be checked, and adjusted as required,  =
valves adjusted, and the SU carburetors will get cleaned and the linkage =
lubricated. The car will get a new brake master cylinder, but not today. =
Rather, a garage cleanup is needed first so the master cylinder job can =
happen cleanly and efficiently.

=20

As much as I have enjoyed working on the Biturbo, it's nice that I now =
don't have to do so! It's running great. Yesterday, the car started at =
the first turn of the key and ran great as I moved cars around. After =
completing a few more competing projects, the car will get regular use.

=20

You? How are you spending your Sunday? Any LBC projects in the queue. I =
know some of you are contemplating winter storage and maintenance =
projects for your cars, but for us on America's south coast, its driving =
season!

=20

Rick

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>This =
morning I am recovering!!!!!<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>We got back =
late last night from a fantastic trip running route 66 across Oklahoma, =
Kansas, and Missouri.=C2=A0 We trailered up from Dallas, left the rig =
with a friend in Tulsa, and had an absolutely amazing time.=C2=A0 Put =
900 miles on the car all in all.=C2=A0 Saw some amazing sights and =
really experienced =E2=80=9CThe Mother Road.=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Traveled =
with my 30 year old son.=C2=A0 Good times!!!<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> =
Mgs &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Rick via =
Mgs<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, October 6, 2019 9:46 AM<br><b>To:</b> Hans =
Duinhoven &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> MGs =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mgs] Sunday morning, =
a bit OT<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks Hans, and good =
afternoon!&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp; &nbsp;Alchohol contaminated petrol is a big =
problem here too, especially for older vehicles. It eats the inside of =
older rubber hoses!!! Replace every one of them before you experience a =
petrol fire!<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Rick<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Attached: My TR3 a couple of years after I sold =
it.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Oct =
6, 2019 7:58 AM, Hans Duinhoven via Mgs &lt;[email-masked]&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid =
#CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Well Rick,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>The Sunday in the Netherlands is dull due to =
autumn rain and chill temps. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>We=E2=80=99ve skipped the MGCC club tour, as it =
rains all day long.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>But yesterday I spent work on two of my Puch =
classic mopeds (1970 -1973).</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>The 1973 model suffered of a broken central =
stand last year.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Left me in a nasty position being able to ride =
the bike, but not being able to park it.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>And a new stand is a problem, because these all =
are aftermarket and the quality is =
terrible.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Finally =
last week a replacement stand of acceptable quality was delivered and I =
made it fit.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>As =
the bike stood still for over a year, it did not want to start unless =
the choke was used all time.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>It proved to be, that a stand still period for a =
long time is bad.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>The European law forcing bio-ethanol added to =
the regular fuel makes a still standing carb =
clogged.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Last week =
95 octane fuel has to be 10% bio-ethanol, which makes even post-modern =
cars vulnerable for this nasty fuel =
additive.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>So =
I=E2=80=99ll change the type of fuel for my mopeds to a special one. The =
BGT will get the 98 octane fuel, which contains 5% =
bio-ethanol.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Cleaning the carb float chamber and jet solved =
the issue.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>The =
bike went like old days again afterwards! </span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>The 1970 model suffered of a running hot piston =
(sudden high friction piston) a few months =
ago.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>So a week ago =
I took all apart and the piston and cylinder showed overheating and were =
damaged.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>So I =
replaced these.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Not a very difficult job to do, but again the =
aftermarket quality spoiled the job =
somehow.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>The =
exhaust side of the new cylinder is not really the same fit as the =
original.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>So I had =
to change the shape of the exhaust pipe flange, in order not hitting the =
cooling rib.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Also =
the exhaust pipe gasket had to be reshaped, in order to fit well with =
the flange.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Remembered me to the BGT=E2=80=99s replacement =
front bumper in the mid-nineties.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Poor fit and lots of wiggling to get it mounted =
well. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>From a wet Holland =E2=80=93 =
Cheers!</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Hans</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>71 BGT NRG w/w no =
o/d</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>Van:</span></b=
><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> Mgs =
[mailto:[email-masked]] <b>Namens </b>Richard Lindsay via =
Mgs<br><b>Verzonden:</b> zondag 6 oktober 2019 13:40<br><b>Aan:</b> =
MGs<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> [Mgs] Sunday morning, a bit =
OT</span><o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'margin-top:12.0pt;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><div><p>Hello Friends, =
and good morning from South =
Texas!<o:p></o:p></p><div><p>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p>Another =
hot day is forecast for today so I plan to get my car work (play?) done =
early. Two jobs are in the queue, neither of which involves the =
Maserati, strangely enough! :-P The first is filling two petrol jugs =
with fuel and heading to my shop. The Triumph TR6 ran out of gas while =
moving it about yesterday. My grandson and I ended up pushing it into =
position, ready for tomorrow's =
transport.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p=
>Once the TR6 is fueled, its back to the house to spend an hour or so on =
the MG TD. That car is to get the other half of its tune up. =
Specifically, the timing will be checked, and adjusted as =
required,&nbsp; valves adjusted, and the SU carburetors will get cleaned =
and the linkage lubricated. The car will get a new brake master =
cylinder, but not today. Rather, a garage cleanup is needed first so the =
master cylinder job can happen cleanly and =
efficiently.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div>=
<p>As much as I have enjoyed working on the Biturbo, it's nice that I =
now don't have to do so! It's running great. Yesterday, the car started =
at the first turn of the key and ran great as I moved cars around. After =
completing a few more competing projects, the car will get regular =
use.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p>You? =
How are you spending your Sunday? Any LBC projects in the queue. I know =
some of you are contemplating winter storage and maintenance projects =
for your cars, but for us on America's south coast, its driving =
season!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p>Ri=
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From: Hans Duinhoven via Mgs <[email-masked]>
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I always drive with our 33 old son Dave (!)

Best drive with Dave was in 2011 to the GT=E2=80=99s home grounds, United K=
ingdom, where he pictured  Paul Hunt and me with our MG=E2=80=99s in front =
of the Heritage Museum England.

We drove almost the same distance like you did, but I a 8 days timeframe, w=
hile visiting great spots and friends.

Visited great classic car events a.o. Cholmondeley Pageant festival of Powe=
r. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3De5co7nCNTGI 

We stayed with friends, where the lady=E2=80=99s father has great history o=
f being a Jaguar works driver of a D-Type in the fifties registered OKV2!

Cheers,

Hans

Van: Mgs [mailto:[email-masked]] Namens dave via Mgs
Verzonden: zondag 6 oktober 2019 17:10
Aan: [email-masked]
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Sunday morning, a bit OT

We got back late last night from a fantastic trip running route 66 across O=
klahoma, Kansas, and Missouri.  We trailered up from Dallas, left the rig w=
ith a friend in Tulsa, and had an absolutely amazing time.  Put 900 miles o=
n the car all in all.  Saw some amazing sights and really experienced =E2=
=80=9CThe Mother Road.=E2=80=9D

Thanks Hans, and good afternoon! 

   Alchohol contaminated petrol is a big problem here too, especially for o=
lder vehicles. It eats the inside of older rubber hoses!!! Replace every on=
e of them before you experience a petrol fire!

Rick

On Oct 6, 2019 7:58 AM, Hans Duinhoven via Mgs <[email-masked]> wrote:

Well Rick,

The Sunday in the Netherlands is dull due to autumn rain and chill temps. 

But yesterday I spent work on two of my Puch classic mopeds (1970 -1973).

Left me in a nasty position being able to ride the bike, but not being able=
 to park it.

And a new stand is a problem, because these all are aftermarket and the qua=
lity is terrible.

Finally last week a replacement stand of acceptable quality was delivered a=
nd I made it fit.

As the bike stood still for over a year, it did not want to start unless th=
e choke was used all time.

The European law forcing bio-ethanol added to the regular fuel makes a stil=
l standing carb clogged.

Last week 95 octane fuel has to be 10% bio-ethanol, which makes even post-m=
odern cars vulnerable for this nasty fuel additive.

So I=E2=80=99ll change the type of fuel for my mopeds to a special one. The=
 BGT will get the 98 octane fuel, which contains 5% bio-ethanol.

The bike went like old days again afterwards! 

The 1970 model suffered of a running hot piston (sudden high friction pisto=
n) a few months ago.

So a week ago I took all apart and the piston and cylinder showed overheati=
ng and were damaged.

So I replaced these.

Not a very difficult job to do, but again the aftermarket quality spoiled t=
he job somehow.

The exhaust side of the new cylinder is not really the same fit as the orig=
inal.

So I had to change the shape of the exhaust pipe flange, in order not hitti=
ng the cooling rib.

Also the exhaust pipe gasket had to be reshaped, in order to fit well with =
the flange.

Remembered me to the BGT=E2=80=99s replacement front bumper in the mid-nine=
ties.

Poor fit and lots of wiggling to get it mounted well. 

Hans

71 BGT NRG w/w no o/d

 

Van: Mgs [mailto:[email-masked]] Namens Richard Lindsay via Mgs=

Another hot day is forecast for today so I plan to get my car work (play?) =
done early. Two jobs are in the queue, neither of which involves the Masera=
ti, strangely enough! :-P The first is filling two petrol jugs with fuel an=
d heading to my shop. The Triumph TR6 ran out of gas while moving it about =
yesterday. My grandson and I ended up pushing it into position, ready for t=
omorrow's transport.

Once the TR6 is fueled, its back to the house to spend an hour or so on the=
 MG TD. That car is to get the other half of its tune up. Specifically, the=
 timing will be checked, and adjusted as required,  valves adjusted, and th=
e SU carburetors will get cleaned and the linkage lubricated. The car will =
get a new brake master cylinder, but not today. Rather, a garage cleanup is=
 needed first so the master cylinder job can happen cleanly and efficiently=
=2E

As much as I have enjoyed working on the Biturbo, it's nice that I now don'=
t have to do so! It's running great. Yesterday, the car started at the firs=
t turn of the key and ran great as I moved cars around. After completing a =
few more competing projects, the car will get regular use.

You? How are you spending your Sunday? Any LBC projects in the queue. I kno=
w some of you are contemplating winter storage and maintenance projects for=
 your cars, but for us on America's south coast, its driving season!

Rick

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=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US=
 style=3D'color:#1F497D'>I always drive with our 33 old son Dave (!)<o:p></=
o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F49=
7D'>Best drive with Dave was in 2011 to the GT=E2=80=99s home grounds, Unit=
ed Kingdom, where he pictured =C2=A0Paul Hunt and me with our MG=E2=80=99s =
in front of the Heritage Museum England.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMs=
oNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>We drove almost the same=
 distance like you did, but I a 8 days timeframe, while visiting great spot=
s and friends.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US=
 style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Visited great classic car events a.o. Cholmondeley=
 Pageant festival of Power. <a href=3D"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3De5=
co7nCNTGI">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3De5co7nCNTGI</a> <o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>We =
stayed with friends, where the lady=E2=80=99s father has great history of b=
eing a Jaguar works driver of a D-Type in the fifties registered OKV2!<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F=
497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US s=
tyle=3D'color:#1F497D'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><s=
pan lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Hans<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padd=
ing:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Van:</span></b><span style=3D'font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@auto=
x.team.net] <b>Namens </b>dave via Mgs<br><b>Verzonden:</b> zondag 6 oktobe=
r 2019 17:10<br><b>Aan:</b> [email-masked]<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mg=
s] Sunday morning, a bit OT<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMso=
Normal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>This mo=
rning I am recovering!!!!!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3D=
EN-US>We got back late last night from a fantastic trip running route 66 ac=
ross Oklahoma, Kansas, and Missouri.&nbsp; We trailered up from Dallas, lef=
t the rig with a friend in Tulsa, and had an absolutely amazing time.&nbsp;=
 Put 900 miles on the car all in all.&nbsp; Saw some amazing sights and rea=
lly experienced =E2=80=9CThe Mother Road.=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>Traveled with my 30 year old son.&nbsp; Goo=
d times!!!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US>From:</=
span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> Mgs &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On B=
ehalf Of </b>Rick via Mgs<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, October 6, 2019 9:46 AM<b=
r><b>To:</b> Hans Duinhoven &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> MGs=
 &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mgs] Sunday morning, a =
bit OT<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>Thanks Ha=
ns, and good afternoon!&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNorma=
l><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal><span lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp; &nbsp;Alchohol contaminated petrol is a big=
 problem here too, especially for older vehicles. It eats the inside of old=
er rubber hoses!!! Replace every one of them before you experience a petrol=
 fire!<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><o=
:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-U=
S>Rick<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN=
-US>Attached: My TR3 a couple of years after I sold it.<o:p></o:p></span></=
p></div></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>On Oct 6, 20=
19 7:58 AM, Hans Duinhoven via Mgs &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<o:p></=
o:p></span></p><blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1=
=2E0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-=
right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'col=
or:#1F497D'>Well Rick,</span><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><s=
pan lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><span lang=3DEN-US><o=
:p></o:p></span></p><p><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>The Sunda=
y in the Netherlands is dull due to autumn rain and chill temps. </span><sp=
an lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:=
#1F497D'>We=E2=80=99ve skipped the MGCC club tour, as it rains all day long=
=2E</span><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span lang=3DEN-US st=
yle=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p=
><p><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>But yesterday I spent work o=
n two of my Puch classic mopeds (1970 -1973).</span><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p=
></o:p></span></p><p><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</spa=
n><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'c=
olor:#1F497D'>The 1973 model suffered of a broken central stand last year.<=
/span><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span lang=3DEN-US style=
=3D'color:#1F497D'>Left me in a nasty position being able to ride the bike,=
 but not being able to park it.</span><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span>=
</p><p><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>And a new stand is a prob=
lem, because these all are aftermarket and the quality is terrible.</span><=
span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'colo=
r:#1F497D'>Finally last week a replacement stand of acceptable quality was =
delivered and I made it fit.</span><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p=
><p><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>As the bike stood still for =
over a year, it did not want to start unless the choke was used all time.</=
span><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span lang=3DEN-US style=
=3D'color:#1F497D'>It proved to be, that a stand still period for a long ti=
me is bad.</span><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span lang=3DE=
N-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>The European law forcing bio-ethanol added to =
the regular fuel makes a still standing carb clogged.</span><span lang=3DEN=
-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Las=
t week 95 octane fuel has to be 10% bio-ethanol, which makes even post-mode=
rn cars vulnerable for this nasty fuel additive.</span><span lang=3DEN-US><=
o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>So I=E2=
=80=99ll change the type of fuel for my mopeds to a special one. The BGT wi=
ll get the 98 octane fuel, which contains 5% bio-ethanol.</span><span lang=
=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D=
'>Cleaning the carb float chamber and jet solved the issue.</span><span lan=
g=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497=
D'>The bike went like old days again afterwards! </span><span lang=3DEN-US>=
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;<=
/span><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span lang=3DEN-US style=
=3D'color:#1F497D'>The 1970 model suffered of a running hot piston (sudden =
high friction piston) a few months ago.</span><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p=
></span></p><p><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>So a week ago I t=
ook all apart and the piston and cylinder showed overheating and were damag=
ed.</span><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span lang=3DEN-US st=
yle=3D'color:#1F497D'>So I replaced these.</span><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></=
o:p></span></p><p><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Not a very dif=
ficult job to do, but again the aftermarket quality spoiled the job somehow=
=2E</span><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span lang=3DEN-US st=
yle=3D'color:#1F497D'>The exhaust side of the new cylinder is not really th=
e same fit as the original.</span><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>=
<p><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>So I had to change the shape =
of the exhaust pipe flange, in order not hitting the cooling rib.</span><sp=
an lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:=
#1F497D'>Also the exhaust pipe gasket had to be reshaped, in order to fit w=
ell with the flange.</span><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><spa=
n lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p=
></o:p></span></p><p><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Remembered =
me to the BGT=E2=80=99s replacement front bumper in the mid-nineties.</span=
><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'co=
lor:#1F497D'>Poor fit and lots of wiggling to get it mounted well. </span><=
span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'colo=
r:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span l=
ang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>From a wet Holland =E2=80=93 Cheers!</s=
pan><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D=
'color:#1F497D'>Hans</span><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><spa=
n lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>71 BGT NRG w/w no o/d</span><span la=
ng=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F49=
7D'>&nbsp;</span><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span lang=3DE=
N-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p><p><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><span la=
ng=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F49=
7D'>&nbsp;</span><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><b><span lang=
=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Van:<=
/span></b><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma"=
,"sans-serif"'> Mgs [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>Namens </b>Richa=
rd Lindsay via Mgs<br><b>Verzonden:</b> zondag 6 oktober 2019 13:40<br><b>A=
an:</b> MGs<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> [Mgs] Sunday morning, a bit OT</span><span=
 lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p><div><div style=3D'margin-top:12.0pt;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><div>=
<p><span lang=3DEN-US>Hello Friends, and good morning from South Texas!<o:p=
></o:p></span></p><div><p><span lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></=
div><div><p><span lang=3DEN-US>Another hot day is forecast for today so I p=
lan to get my car work (play?) done early. Two jobs are in the queue, neith=
er of which involves the Maserati, strangely enough! :-P The first is filli=
ng two petrol jugs with fuel and heading to my shop. The Triumph TR6 ran ou=
t of gas while moving it about yesterday. My grandson and I ended up pushin=
g it into position, ready for tomorrow's transport.<o:p></o:p></span></p></=
div><div><p><span lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p><s=
pan lang=3DEN-US>Once the TR6 is fueled, its back to the house to spend an =
hour or so on the MG TD. That car is to get the other half of its tune up. =
Specifically, the timing will be checked, and adjusted as required,&nbsp; v=
alves adjusted, and the SU carburetors will get cleaned and the linkage lub=
ricated. The car will get a new brake master cylinder, but not today. Rathe=
r, a garage cleanup is needed first so the master cylinder job can happen c=
leanly and efficiently.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p><span lang=3DEN-=
US>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p><span lang=3DEN-US>As much as =
I have enjoyed working on the Biturbo, it's nice that I now don't have to d=
o so! It's running great. Yesterday, the car started at the first turn of t=
he key and ran great as I moved cars around. After completing a few more co=
mpeting projects, the car will get regular use.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div>=
<div><p><span lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p><span =
lang=3DEN-US>You? How are you spending your Sunday? Any LBC projects in the=
 queue. I know some of you are contemplating winter storage and maintenance=
 projects for your cars, but for us on America's south coast, its driving s=
eason!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p><span lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;<o:p></o=
:p></span></p></div><div><p><span lang=3DEN-US>Rick<o:p></o:p></span></p></=
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From: Richard Lindsay via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 12:06:15 -0500

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Great fun!!!

On Sun, Oct 6, 2019, 12:00 PM Hans Duinhoven via Mgs <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> Best drive with Dave was in 2011 to the GT=E2=80=99s home grounds, United=
 Kingdom,
> where he pictured  Paul Hunt and me with our MG=E2=80=99s in front of the=
 Heritage
> Museum England.
>
> We drove almost the same distance like you did, but I a 8 days timeframe,
> while visiting great spots and friends.
>
> Visited great classic car events a.o. Cholmondeley Pageant festival of
> Power. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3De5co7nCNTGI
>
> We stayed with friends, where the lady=E2=80=99s father has great history=
 of being
> a Jaguar works driver of a D-Type in the fifties registered OKV2!
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Hans
>
>
>
> *Van:* Mgs [mailto:[email-masked]] *Namens *dave via Mgs
> *Verzonden:* zondag 6 oktober 2019 17:10
> *Aan:* [email-masked]
> *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] Sunday morning, a bit OT
>
>
>
> We got back late last night from a fantastic trip running route 66 across
> Oklahoma, Kansas, and Missouri.  We trailered up from Dallas, left the ri=
g
> with a friend in Tulsa, and had an absolutely amazing time.  Put 900 mile=
s
> on the car all in all.  Saw some amazing sights and really experienced =
=E2=80=9CThe
> Mother Road.=E2=80=9D
> *From:* Mgs <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *Rick via Mgs
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 6, 2019 9:46 AM
> *To:* Hans Duinhoven <[email-masked]>
> *Cc:* MGs <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* Re: [Mgs] Sunday morning, a bit OT
>
>
>
>    Alchohol contaminated petrol is a big problem here too, especially for
> older vehicles. It eats the inside of older rubber hoses!!! Replace every
> one of them before you experience a petrol fire!
>
>
>
> Rick
>
> On Oct 6, 2019 7:58 AM, Hans Duinhoven via Mgs <[email-masked]> wrote=
:
> Left me in a nasty position being able to ride the bike, but not being
> able to park it.
>
> And a new stand is a problem, because these all are aftermarket and the
> quality is terrible.
>
> Finally last week a replacement stand of acceptable quality was delivered
> and I made it fit.
>
> As the bike stood still for over a year, it did not want to start unless
> The European law forcing bio-ethanol added to the regular fuel makes a
> Last week 95 octane fuel has to be 10% bio-ethanol, which makes even
> So I=E2=80=99ll change the type of fuel for my mopeds to a special one. T=
he BGT
> will get the 98 octane fuel, which contains 5% bio-ethanol.
>
> The 1970 model suffered of a running hot piston (sudden high friction
> So a week ago I took all apart and the piston and cylinder showed
> Not a very difficult job to do, but again the aftermarket quality spoiled
> the job somehow.
>
> The exhaust side of the new cylinder is not really the same fit as the
> original.
>
> So I had to change the shape of the exhaust pipe flange, in order not
> hitting the cooling rib.
>
> Also the exhaust pipe gasket had to be reshaped, in order to fit well wit=
h
> the flange.
>
>
>
> Remembered me to the BGT=E2=80=99s replacement front bumper in the mid-ni=
neties.
> *Van:* Mgs [mailto:[email-masked]] *Namens *Richard Lindsay
> via Mgs
> *Verzonden:* zondag 6 oktober 2019 13:40
> *Aan:* MGs
> *Onderwerp:* [Mgs] Sunday morning, a bit OT
>
>
>
> Another hot day is forecast for today so I plan to get my car work (play?=
)
> done early. Two jobs are in the queue, neither of which involves the
> Maserati, strangely enough! :-P The first is filling two petrol jugs with
> fuel and heading to my shop. The Triumph TR6 ran out of gas while moving =
it
> about yesterday. My grandson and I ended up pushing it into position, rea=
dy
> for tomorrow's transport.
>
>
>
> Once the TR6 is fueled, its back to the house to spend an hour or so on
> the MG TD. That car is to get the other half of its tune up. Specifically=
,
> the timing will be checked, and adjusted as required,  valves adjusted, a=
nd
> the SU carburetors will get cleaned and the linkage lubricated. The car
> will get a new brake master cylinder, but not today. Rather, a garage
> cleanup is needed first so the master cylinder job can happen cleanly and
> efficiently.
>
>
>
> As much as I have enjoyed working on the Biturbo, it's nice that I now
> don't have to do so! It's running great. Yesterday, the car started at th=
e
> first turn of the key and ran great as I moved cars around. After
> You? How are you spending your Sunday? Any LBC projects in the queue. I
> know some of you are contemplating winter storage and maintenance project=
s
> for your cars, but for us on America's south coast, its driving season!
>
>
>
> Rick
>
>
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">Great fun!!!</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Oct 6, 2019, 12:00 PM Hans Duinhoven =
via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt=
; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .=
8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"NL" link=3D"b=
lue" vlink=3D"purple"><div class=3D"m_1139369903323617802WordSection1"><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">I always dr=
ive with our 33 old son Dave (!)<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">Best drive with Dave was =
in 2011 to the GT=E2=80=99s home grounds, United Kingdom, where he pictured=
 =C2=A0Paul Hunt and me with our MG=E2=80=99s in front of the Heritage Muse=
um England.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN=
-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">We drove almost the same distance like you did=
, but I a 8 days timeframe, while visiting great spots and friends.<u></u><=
u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color=
:#1f497d">Visited great classic car events a.o. Cholmondeley Pageant festiv=
al of Power. <a href=3D"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3De5co7nCNTGI" targ=
et=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3De5co7nCN=
TGI</a> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US=
" style=3D"color:#1f497d">We stayed with friends, where the lady=E2=80=99s =
father has great history of being a Jaguar works driver of a D-Type in the =
fifties registered OKV2!<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><sp=
an lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">Cheers,<u=
></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D=
"color:#1f497d">Hans<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span l=
ang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><=
div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0=
cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fami=
ly:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Van:</span></b><span style=3D=
"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> M=
gs [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>] <b>Namens </b>dave via M=
gs<br><b>Verzonden:</b> zondag 6 oktober 2019 17:10<br><b>Aan:</b> <a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">mgs@aut=
ox.team.net</a><br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Sunday morning, a bit OT<u><=
/u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">This morning I am recoveri=
ng!!!!!<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"=
><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"=
>We got back late last night from a fantastic trip running route 66 across =
Oklahoma, Kansas, and Missouri.=C2=A0 We trailered up from Dallas, left the=
 rig with a friend in Tulsa, and had an absolutely amazing time.=C2=A0 Put =
900 miles on the car all in all.=C2=A0 Saw some amazing sights and really e=
xperienced =E2=80=9CThe Mother Road.=E2=80=9D<u></u><u></u></span></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Traveled with my 30 year old son.=C2=
=A0 Good times!!!<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span l=
ang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"> Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">mgs-bou=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Rick via Mgs<br><b>Sent:</b=
> Sunday, October 6, 2019 9:46 AM<br><b>To:</b> Hans Duinhoven &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">h.du=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> MGs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox=
.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<=
br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mgs] Sunday morning, a bit OT<u></u><u></u></span><=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span><=
/p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Thanks Hans, and good a=
fternoon!=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span l=
ang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0 =C2=A0Alchohol contaminated petrol is a big=
 problem here too, especially for older vehicles. It eats the inside of old=
er rubber hoses!!! Replace every one of them before you experience a petrol=
 fire!<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN=
-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
 lang=3D"EN-US">Rick<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Attached: My TR3 a couple of years after I sold it=
.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><sp=
an lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><span lang=3D"EN-US">On Oct 6, 2019 7:58 AM, Hans Duinhoven via Mgs &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">m=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p><blockquote style=
=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;m=
argin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><di=
v><div><p><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">Well Rick,</span><sp=
an lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D=
"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>=
<p><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">The Sunday in the Netherlan=
ds is dull due to autumn rain and chill temps. </span><span lang=3D"EN-US">=
<u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">We=
=E2=80=99ve skipped the MGCC club tour, as it rains all day long.</span><sp=
an lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D=
"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>=
<p><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">But yesterday I spent work =
on two of my Puch classic mopeds (1970 -1973).</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><=
u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=
=A0</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span lang=3D"EN=
-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">The 1973 model suffered of a broken central st=
and last year.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span=
 lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">Left me in a nasty position being a=
ble to ride the bike, but not being able to park it.</span><span lang=3D"EN=
-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497=
d">And a new stand is a problem, because these all are aftermarket and the =
quality is terrible.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p=
><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">Finally last week a replaceme=
nt stand of acceptable quality was delivered and I made it fit.</span><span=
 lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"c=
olor:#1f497d">As the bike stood still for over a year, it did not want to s=
tart unless the choke was used all time.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=
<u></u></span></p><p><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">It proved=
 to be, that a stand still period for a long time is bad.</span><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:=
#1f497d">The European law forcing bio-ethanol added to the regular fuel mak=
es a still standing carb clogged.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u>=
</span></p><p><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">Last week 95 oct=
ane fuel has to be 10% bio-ethanol, which makes even post-modern cars vulne=
rable for this nasty fuel additive.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></=
u></span></p><p><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">So I=E2=80=99l=
l change the type of fuel for my mopeds to a special one. The BGT will get =
the 98 octane fuel, which contains 5% bio-ethanol.</span><span lang=3D"EN-U=
S"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d"=
>Cleaning the carb float chamber and jet solved the issue.</span><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:=
#1f497d">The bike went like old days again afterwards! </span><span lang=3D=
"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f=
497d">=C2=A0</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span l=
ang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">The 1970 model suffered of a running =
hot piston (sudden high friction piston) a few months ago.</span><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:=
#1f497d">So a week ago I took all apart and the piston and cylinder showed =
overheating and were damaged.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p><p><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">So I replaced these.=
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span lang=3D"EN-US=
" style=3D"color:#1f497d">Not a very difficult job to do, but again the aft=
ermarket quality spoiled the job somehow.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u=
><u></u></span></p><p><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">The exha=
ust side of the new cylinder is not really the same fit as the original.</s=
pan><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span lang=3D"EN-US" s=
tyle=3D"color:#1f497d">So I had to change the shape of the exhaust pipe fla=
nge, in order not hitting the cooling rib.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></=
u><u></u></span></p><p><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">Also th=
e exhaust pipe gasket had to be reshaped, in order to fit well with the fla=
nge.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span lang=3D"E=
N-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u><=
/u></span></p><p><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">Remembered me=
 to the BGT=E2=80=99s replacement front bumper in the mid-nineties.</span><=
span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=
=3D"color:#1f497d">Poor fit and lots of wiggling to get it mounted well. </=
span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p><p><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">From a wet Holland =
=E2=80=93 Cheers!</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">Hans</span><span lang=3D"EN-US">=
<u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">71=
 BGT NRG w/w no o/d</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p>=
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><span lang=3D"EN-=
US"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d=
">=C2=A0</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u=
><u></u></span></p><p><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</=
span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p><b><span lang=3D"EN-U=
S" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-seri=
f&quot;">Van:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font=
-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Mgs [mailto:<a href=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">mgs=
[email-masked]</a>] <b>Namens </b>Richard Lindsay via Mgs<br><b>Ve=
rzonden:</b> zondag 6 oktober 2019 13:40<br><b>Aan:</b> MGs<br><b>Onderwerp=
:</b> [Mgs] Sunday morning, a bit OT</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u><=
/u></span></p><p><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><=
div style=3D"margin-top:12.0pt;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><div><p><span lang=3D"=
EN-US">Hello Friends, and good morning from South Texas!<u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p><div><p><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><di=
v><p><span lang=3D"EN-US">Another hot day is forecast for today so I plan t=
o get my car work (play?) done early. Two jobs are in the queue, neither of=
 which involves the Maserati, strangely enough! :-P The first is filling tw=
o petrol jugs with fuel and heading to my shop. The Triumph TR6 ran out of =
gas while moving it about yesterday. My grandson and I ended up pushing it =
into position, ready for tomorrow&#39;s transport.<u></u><u></u></span></p>=
</div><div><p><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><di=
v><p><span lang=3D"EN-US">Once the TR6 is fueled, its back to the house to =
spend an hour or so on the MG TD. That car is to get the other half of its =
tune up. Specifically, the timing will be checked, and adjusted as required=
,=C2=A0 valves adjusted, and the SU carburetors will get cleaned and the li=
nkage lubricated. The car will get a new brake master cylinder, but not tod=
ay. Rather, a garage cleanup is needed first so the master cylinder job can=
 happen cleanly and efficiently.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p><spa=
n lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p><span lang=3D=
"EN-US">As much as I have enjoyed working on the Biturbo, it&#39;s nice tha=
t I now don&#39;t have to do so! It&#39;s running great. Yesterday, the car=
 started at the first turn of the key and ran great as I moved cars around.=
 After completing a few more competing projects, the car will get regular u=
se.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0<u></u=
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From: PaulHunt73 via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 08:41:31 +0100 v7BNVS3KgRA0EpA/zdMRYgv1Mj2fO48egdyXWXORqXmzeq6YHM3m9HNzdotzD2NnV3m7EA5Dw8DZX2ypUVXG0veX+/+XK+V5n0GAmLen48VicaPvJDJUBuB4

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Fortunately the UK still has 5% max ethanol in both standard and high =
octanes.  There is 'moral' pressure from some quarters on the Government =
to increase it to 10% max but suppliers can meet their legal =
requirements purely with bio diesel, and don't want to be the first to =
go to 10% and get bad publicity from complaints.  If the move against =
diesel gathers pace that may force their hands.

The main problem with fuel hoses and everything else rubber here is the =
quality of the rubber itself.  I've always (30 years) run the roadster =
on high octane but the V8 (24 years) always on standard which has had =
ethanol at 5% max for 20 years now.  While 98 octane may not have =
contained ethanol originally, suppliers tended to be cagey when asked =
directly, and others indicated that it varied according to where in the =
UK you bought it.  Four years ago I decided to replace the V8 pump hoses =
as the braiding was crumbling when it came to me so they were probably =
original - but as far as the rubber goes the old ones were in perfect =
condition.  I even slit a piece lengthwise and opened it out but there =
wasn't a trace of cracking.  When I first got the V8 it didn't have any =
carb overflow hoses so I installed them, and they have had to be =
replaced since from severe cracking - and they don't even carry liquid =
fuel, only vapour.  I fitted non-braided so I can keep an eye on the =
external condition at least, but I have no doubt they won't last =
anywhere near as long as the originals.

If standard here goes up to 10% - fortunately pumps are now required to =
be labelled clearly on the pump as well as the nozzle itself - I'll run =
the V8 on high octane as well, as that has been designated 'petrol =
protection grade' for older vehicles for the foreseeable future.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  Last week 95 octane fuel has to be 10% bio-ethanol, which makes even =
post-modern cars vulnerable for this nasty fuel additive.
    So I=E2=80=99ll change the type of fuel for my mopeds to a special =
one. The BGT will get the 98 octane fuel, which contains 5% bio-ethanol.

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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Fortunately the UK still has 5% max ethanol&nbsp;in =
both=20
standard and high octanes.&nbsp; There is 'moral' pressure from some =
quarters on=20
the Government to increase it to 10% max but suppliers can meet their =
legal=20
requirements purely with bio diesel, and&nbsp;don't want to be the first =
to go=20
to 10% and get bad publicity from complaints.&nbsp; If the move against =
diesel=20
gathers pace that may force their hands.</FONT></DIV>
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rubber=20
here is the quality of the rubber itself.&nbsp; </FONT><FONT =
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(30 years) run the roadster on high octane but the V8 (24 years) always =
on=20
standard which has&nbsp;had ethanol at 5% max for 20 years now.&nbsp; =
While 98=20
octane may not have contained ethanol originally, suppliers tended to be =
cagey=20
when asked directly, and others indicated that it varied according to =
where in=20
the UK you bought it.&nbsp; Four years ago I decided to replace the V8 =
pump=20
hoses as the braiding was crumbling when it came to me so they were =
probably=20
original&nbsp;-&nbsp;but as far as the rubber goes the old ones were in =
perfect=20
condition.&nbsp; I even slit a piece lengthwise and opened it out but =
there=20
wasn't a trace of cracking.&nbsp; When I first got the V8 it didn't have =
any=20
carb overflow hoses so I installed them, and they have had to be =
replaced since=20
from severe cracking - and they don't even carry liquid fuel, only =
vapour.&nbsp;=20
I fitted non-braided so I can keep an eye on the external condition at =
least,=20
but I have no doubt they won't last anywhere near as long as the=20
originals.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>If standard here goes up to 10% - fortunately pumps =
are now=20
required to be labelled clearly on the pump as well as the nozzle itself =
- I'll=20
run the V8 on high octane as well, as that has been designated 'petrol=20
protection grade' for older vehicles for the foreseeable =
future.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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black"><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'calibri' , 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; =
FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Last=20
  week 95 octane fuel has to be 10% bio-ethanol, which makes even =
post-modern=20
  cars vulnerable for this nasty fuel additive.</SPAN></DIV>
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    style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'calibri' , 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; =
FONT-SIZE: 11pt">So=20
    I=E2=80=99ll change the type of fuel for my mopeds to a special one. =
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If local law insists they add ethanol to a certain proportion, which has =
the side-effect of increasing octane, why would they continue using some =
other octane-boosting constituent?  In fact surely they would have no =
choice but to reduce or eliminate it in order to maintain a given =
octane.  Unless they let the octane rise several points but market it as =
lower octane and sell it at that lower octane price ...

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  The skeptical and distrusting scientist in me wants to believe that =
petrol manufacturers are using the ethanol content to elevate the =
effective octane rating thereby saving the other octane boosting stuff, =
whatever it is.

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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>If&nbsp;local law insists they add ethanol to a =
certain=20
proportion, which has the side-effect of increasing octane, why would =
they=20
continue using some other octane-boosting constituent?&nbsp; In fact =
surely they=20
would have no choice but to reduce&nbsp;or eliminate&nbsp;it in order to =

maintain a given octane.&nbsp; Unless they let the octane rise several =
points=20
but market it as lower octane and sell it at that lower octane price=20
...</FONT></DIV>
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black">The=20
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  manufacturers are using the ethanol content to elevate the effective =
octane=20
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Hello friends,
   Straight ethanol has an equivalent octane rating of 113, so mixing it
with petrol increases the mixture's octane value. Of course, the quoted
value on the pump already takes this into account. Beyond that gem of
useless knowledge, I'm close to lost.
   Petrol is a mixture of hydrocarbons. We all know that. And Wikipedia can
probably list them all in volume fraction order. But what is added today to
increase the 87 octane value, other than ethanol? It used to be TEL, or
tetraethyllead, but those days are long gone. The skeptical and distrusting
scientist in me wants to believe that petrol manufacturers are using the
ethanol content to elevate the effective octane rating thereby saving the
other octane boosting stuff, whatever it is.

Rick

On Mon, Oct 7, 2019, 3:11 AM PaulHunt73 via Mgs <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Fortunately the UK still has 5% max ethanol in both standard and high
to
> increase it to 10% max but suppliers can meet their legal requirements
> purely with bio diesel, and don't want to be the first to go to 10% and g=
et
> bad publicity from complaints.  If the move against diesel gathers pace
> that may force their hands.
>
> The main problem with fuel hoses and everything else rubber here is the
> quality of the rubber itself.  I've always (30 years) run the roadster on
> high octane but the V8 (24 years) always on standard which has had ethano=
l
> at 5% max for 20 years now.  While 98 octane may not have contained ethan=
ol
> originally, suppliers tended to be cagey when asked directly, and others
> indicated that it varied according to where in the UK you bought it.  Fou=
r
> years ago I decided to replace the V8 pump hoses as the braiding was
> crumbling when it came to me so they were probably original - but as far =
as
> the rubber goes the old ones were in perfect condition.  I even slit a
> piece lengthwise and opened it out but there wasn't a trace of cracking.
> When I first got the V8 it didn't have any carb overflow hoses so I
> installed them, and they have had to be replaced since from severe cracki=
ng
> - and they don't even carry liquid fuel, only vapour.  I fitted non-braid=
ed
> so I can keep an eye on the external condition at least, but I have no
> doubt they won't last anywhere near as long as the originals.
>
> If standard here goes up to 10% - fortunately pumps are now required to b=
e
> labelled clearly on the pump as well as the nozzle itself - I'll run the =
V8
> on high octane as well, as that has been designated 'petrol protection
> grade' for older vehicles for the foreseeable future.
>
> PaulH.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
he BGT
> will get the 98 octane fuel, which contains 5% bio-ethanol.

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<div dir=3D"auto"><div>Hello friends,<div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0Straigh=
t ethanol has an equivalent octane rating of 113, so mixing it with petrol =
increases the mixture&#39;s octane value. Of course, the quoted value on th=
e pump already takes this into account. Beyond that gem of useless knowledg=
e, I&#39;m close to lost.</div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0Petrol is a m=
ixture of hydrocarbons. We all know that. And Wikipedia can probably list t=
hem all in volume fraction order. But what is added today to increase the 8=
7 octane value, other than ethanol? It used to be TEL, or tetraethyllead, b=
ut those days are long gone. The skeptical and distrusting scientist in me =
wants to believe that petrol manufacturers are using the ethanol content to=
 elevate the effective octane rating thereby saving the other octane boosti=
ng stuff, whatever it is.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto=
">Rick</div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gm=
ail_attr">On Mon, Oct 7, 2019, 3:11 AM PaulHunt73 via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc =
solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>

<div bgcolor=3D"#ffffff">
<div><font size=3D"2">Fortunately the UK still has 5% max ethanol=C2=A0in b=
oth=20
standard and high octanes.=C2=A0 There is &#39;moral&#39; pressure from som=
e quarters on=20
the Government to increase it to 10% max but suppliers can meet their legal=
=20
requirements purely with bio diesel, and=C2=A0don&#39;t want to be the firs=
t to go=20
to 10% and get bad publicity from complaints.=C2=A0 If the move against die=
sel=20
gathers pace that may force their hands.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"2">The main problem with fuel hoses and everything else =
rubber=20
here is the quality of the rubber itself.=C2=A0 </font><font size=3D"2">I&#=
39;ve always=20
(30 years) run the roadster on high octane but the V8 (24 years) always on=
=20
standard which has=C2=A0had ethanol at 5% max for 20 years now.=C2=A0 While=
 98=20
octane may not have contained ethanol originally, suppliers tended to be ca=
gey=20
when asked directly, and others indicated that it varied according to where=
 in=20
the UK you bought it.=C2=A0 Four years ago I decided to replace the V8 pump=
=20
hoses as the braiding was crumbling when it came to me so they were probabl=
y=20
original=C2=A0-=C2=A0but as far as the rubber goes the old ones were in per=
fect=20
condition.=C2=A0 I even slit a piece lengthwise and opened it out but there=
=20
wasn&#39;t a trace of cracking.=C2=A0 When I first got the V8 it didn&#39;t=
 have any=20
carb overflow hoses so I installed them, and they have had to be replaced s=
ince=20
from severe cracking - and they don&#39;t even carry liquid fuel, only vapo=
ur.=C2=A0=20
I fitted non-braided so I can keep an eye on the external condition at leas=
t,=20
but I have no doubt they won&#39;t last anywhere near as long as the=20
originals.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"2">If standard here goes up to 10% - fortunately pumps a=
re now=20
required to be labelled clearly on the pump as well as the nozzle itself - =
I&#39;ll=20
run the V8 on high octane as well, as that has been designated &#39;petrol=
=20
protection grade&#39; for older vehicles for the foreseeable future.</font>=
</div>
<div><font size=3D"2"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"2">PaulH.</font></div>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:#000000 2px solid;PADDING-LEFT:5px;PADDING=
-RIGHT:0px;MARGIN-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-RIGHT:0px">
  <div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div>
  <div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial;BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4"><span style=3D"FONT-FAM=
ILY:&#39;calibri&#39;,&#39;sans-serif&#39;;COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">La=
st=20
  week 95 octane fuel has to be 10% bio-ethanol, which makes even post-mode=
rn=20
  cars vulnerable for this nasty fuel additive.</span></div>
  <div class=3D"gmail_extra">
  <div class=3D"gmail_quote">
  <blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;=
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    <div>
    <div>
    <p><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:&#39;calibri&#39;,&#39;sans-serif&#39;;CO=
LOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">So=20
    I=E2=80=99ll change the type of fuel for my mopeds to a special one. Th=
e BGT will=20
    get the 98 octane fuel, which contains 5%=20
  bio-ethanol.</span></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote>=
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From: Max Heim via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 10:51:34 -0700

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In California, they used MTBE as an oxygenator, prior to the widespread use o=
f ethanol. Now I believe it has been replaced with ethanol across the board.=

One hears a lot of complaints, but I haven=E2=80=99t had any real problems w=
ith 10% ethanol fuel in my MG. My muscle car, with an advertised 10.5:1 comp=
ression ratio V8, wasn=E2=80=99t very happy with 91 octane CA blend, but it r=
an with slightly retarded timing.

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 7, 2019, at 5:46 AM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs <[email-masked]> w=
rote:
>=20
> Hello friends,
>    Straight ethanol has an equivalent octane rating of 113, so mixing it w=
ith petrol increases the mixture's octane value. Of course, the quoted value=
 on the pump already takes this into account. Beyond that gem of useless kno=
wledge, I'm close to lost.
>    Petrol is a mixture of hydrocarbons. We all know that. And Wikipedia ca=
n probably list them all in volume fraction order. But what is added today t=
o increase the 87 octane value, other than ethanol? It used to be TEL, or te=
traethyllead, but those days are long gone. The skeptical and distrusting sc=
ientist in me wants to believe that petrol manufacturers are using the ethan=
ol content to elevate the effective octane rating thereby saving the other o=
ctane boosting stuff, whatever it is.
>=20
> Rick
>=20
>=20
>> On Mon, Oct 7, 2019, 3:11 AM PaulHunt73 via Mgs <[email-masked]> wrot=
e:
>> Fortunately the UK still has 5% max ethanol in both standard and high oct=
anes.  There is 'moral' pressure from some quarters on the Government to inc=
rease it to 10% max but suppliers can meet their legal requirements purely w=
ith bio diesel, and don't want to be the first to go to 10% and get bad publ=
icity from complaints.  If the move against diesel gathers pace that may for=
ce their hands.
>> =20
>> The main problem with fuel hoses and everything else rubber here is the q=
uality of the rubber itself.  I've always (30 years) run the roadster on hig=
h octane but the V8 (24 years) always on standard which has had ethanol at 5=
% max for 20 years now.  While 98 octane may not have contained ethanol orig=
inally, suppliers tended to be cagey when asked directly, and others indicat=
ed that it varied according to where in the UK you bought it.  Four years ag=
o I decided to replace the V8 pump hoses as the braiding was crumbling when i=
t came to me so they were probably original - but as far as the rubber goes t=
he old ones were in perfect condition.  I even slit a piece lengthwise and o=
pened it out but there wasn't a trace of cracking.  When I first got the V8 i=
t didn't have any carb overflow hoses so I installed them, and they have had=
 to be replaced since from severe cracking - and they don't even carry liqui=
d fuel, only vapour.  I fitted non-braided so I can keep an eye on the exter=
nal condition at least, but I have no doubt they won't last anywhere near as=
 long as the originals.
>> If standard here goes up to 10% - fortunately pumps are now required to b=
e labelled clearly on the pump as well as the nozzle itself - I'll run the V=
8 on high octane as well, as that has been designated 'petrol protection gra=
de' for older vehicles for the foreseeable future.
>> Last week 95 octane fuel has to be 10% bio-ethanol, which makes even post=
-modern cars vulnerable for this nasty fuel additive.
>> So I=E2=80=99ll change the type of fuel for my mopeds to a special one. T=
he BGT will get the 98 octane fuel, which contains 5% bio-ethanol.
>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richardolindsay@gm=
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">In California, they used MTBE as an oxygena=
tor, prior to the widespread use of ethanol. Now I believe it has been repla=
ced with ethanol across the board.<div><br></div><div>One hears a lot of com=
plaints, but I haven=E2=80=99t had any real problems with 10% ethanol fuel i=
n my MG. My muscle car, with an advertised 10.5:1 compression ratio V8, wasn=
=E2=80=99t very happy with 91 octane CA blend, but it ran with slightly reta=
rded timing.<br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my i=
Pad</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Oct 7, 2019, at 5:46 AM, Richard Lindsay vi=
a Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; w=
rote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"au=
to"><div>Hello friends,<div dir=3D"auto">&nbsp; &nbsp;Straight ethanol has a=
n equivalent octane rating of 113, so mixing it with petrol increases the mi=
xture's octane value. Of course, the quoted value on the pump already takes t=
his into account. Beyond that gem of useless knowledge, I'm close to lost.</=
div><div dir=3D"auto">&nbsp; &nbsp;Petrol is a mixture of hydrocarbons. We a=
ll know that. And Wikipedia can probably list them all in volume fraction or=
der. But what is added today to increase the 87 octane value, other than eth=
anol? It used to be TEL, or tetraethyllead, but those days are long gone. Th=
e skeptical and distrusting scientist in me wants to believe that petrol man=
ufacturers are using the ethanol content to elevate the effective octane rat=
ing thereby saving the other octane boosting stuff, whatever it is.</div><di=
v dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Rick</div><br><br><div class=3D"g=
mail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Oct 7, 2019, 3:11 A=
M PaulHunt73 via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
m.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>

<div bgcolor=3D"#ffffff">
<div><font size=3D"2">Fortunately the UK still has 5% max ethanol&nbsp;in bo=
th=20
standard and high octanes.&nbsp; There is 'moral' pressure from some quarter=
s on=20
the Government to increase it to 10% max but suppliers can meet their legal=20=

requirements purely with bio diesel, and&nbsp;don't want to be the first to g=
o=20
to 10% and get bad publicity from complaints.&nbsp; If the move against dies=
el=20
gathers pace that may force their hands.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font size=3D"2">The main problem with fuel hoses and everything else r=
ubber=20
here is the quality of the rubber itself.&nbsp; </font><font size=3D"2">I've=
 always=20
(30 years) run the roadster on high octane but the V8 (24 years) always on=20=

standard which has&nbsp;had ethanol at 5% max for 20 years now.&nbsp; While 9=
8=20
octane may not have contained ethanol originally, suppliers tended to be cag=
ey=20
when asked directly, and others indicated that it varied according to where i=
n=20
the UK you bought it.&nbsp; Four years ago I decided to replace the V8 pump=20=

hoses as the braiding was crumbling when it came to me so they were probably=
=20
original&nbsp;-&nbsp;but as far as the rubber goes the old ones were in perf=
ect=20
condition.&nbsp; I even slit a piece lengthwise and opened it out but there=20=

wasn't a trace of cracking.&nbsp; When I first got the V8 it didn't have any=
=20
carb overflow hoses so I installed them, and they have had to be replaced si=
nce=20
from severe cracking - and they don't even carry liquid fuel, only vapour.&n=
bsp;=20
I fitted non-braided so I can keep an eye on the external condition at least=
,=20
but I have no doubt they won't last anywhere near as long as the=20
originals.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font size=3D"2">If standard here goes up to 10% - fortunately pumps ar=
e now=20
required to be labelled clearly on the pump as well as the nozzle itself - I=
'll=20
run the V8 on high octane as well, as that has been designated 'petrol=20
protection grade' for older vehicles for the foreseeable future.</font></div=
<div><font size=3D"2"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font size=3D"2">PaulH.</font></div>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:#000000 2px solid;PADDING-LEFT:5px;PADDING-=
RIGHT:0px;MARGIN-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-RIGHT:0px">
  <div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div>
  <div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial;BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMI=
LY:'calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">Last=20
  week 95 octane fuel has to be 10% bio-ethanol, which makes even post-moder=
n=20
  cars vulnerable for this nasty fuel additive.</span></div>
  <div class=3D"gmail_extra">
  <div class=3D"gmail_quote">
  <blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;P=
ADDING-LEFT:1ex">
    <div>
    <div>
    <p><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:'calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-=
SIZE:11pt">So=20
    I=E2=80=99ll change the type of fuel for my mopeds to a special one. The=
 BGT will=20
    get the 98 octane fuel, which contains 5%=20
  bio-ethanol.</span></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><=
/div>
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From: Richard Lindsay via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 13:21:53 -0500

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Only car I had problems with was my Lotus Esprit. Its fuel hose at the
tanks, fell apart when I gently squeezed it. Fortunately, that 'wasn't my
first rodeo' and I had an oil change pan under it!

On Sat, Oct 12, 2019, 12:51 PM Max Heim <[email-masked]> wrote:

> In California, they used MTBE as an oxygenator, prior to the widespread
> use of ethanol. Now I believe it has been replaced with ethanol across th=
e
> board.
>
> One hears a lot of complaints, but I haven=E2=80=99t had any real problem=
s with
> 10% ethanol fuel in my MG. My muscle car, with an advertised 10.5:1
> compression ratio V8, wasn=E2=80=99t very happy with 91 octane CA blend, =
but it ran
> with slightly retarded timing.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Oct 7, 2019, at 5:46 AM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs <[email-masked]>
> wrote:
>
> Hello friends,
>    Petrol is a mixture of hydrocarbons. We all know that. And Wikipedia
> can probably list them all in volume fraction order. But what is added
> today to increase the 87 octane value, other than ethanol? It used to be
> TEL, or tetraethyllead, but those days are long gone. The skeptical and
> distrusting scientist in me wants to believe that petrol manufacturers ar=
e
> using the ethanol content to elevate the effective octane rating thereby
> saving the other octane boosting stuff, whatever it is.
>
> Rick
>
>
>> octanes.  There is 'moral' pressure from some quarters on the Government=
 to
>> purely with bio diesel, and don't want to be the first to go to 10% and =
get
>> quality of the rubber itself.  I've always (30 years) run the roadster
>> on high octane but the V8 (24 years) always on standard which has had
>> ethanol at 5% max for 20 years now.  While 98 octane may not have contai=
ned
>> ethanol originally, suppliers tended to be cagey when asked directly, an=
d
>> others indicated that it varied according to where in the UK you bought
>> it.  Four years ago I decided to replace the V8 pump hoses as the braidi=
ng
>> was crumbling when it came to me so they were probably original - but as
>> far as the rubber goes the old ones were in perfect condition.  I even s=
lit
>> a piece lengthwise and opened it out but there wasn't a trace of crackin=
g.
>> installed them, and they have had to be replaced since from severe crack=
ing
>> - and they don't even carry liquid fuel, only vapour.  I fitted non-brai=
ded
>> If standard here goes up to 10% - fortunately pumps are now required to
the
>> V8 on high octane as well, as that has been designated 'petrol protectio=
n
>> So I=E2=80=99ll change the type of fuel for my mopeds to a special one. =
The BGT
>> will get the 98 octane fuel, which contains 5% bio-ethanol.

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<div dir=3D"auto">Only car I had problems with was my Lotus Esprit. Its fue=
l hose at the tanks, fell apart when I gently squeezed it. Fortunately, tha=
t &#39;wasn&#39;t my first rodeo&#39; and I had an oil change pan under it!=
</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">=
On Sat, Oct 12, 2019, 12:51 PM Max Heim &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mvheim@sonic.=
net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex=
"><div dir=3D"auto">In California, they used MTBE as an oxygenator, prior t=
o the widespread use of ethanol. Now I believe it has been replaced with et=
hanol across the board.<div><br></div><div>One hears a lot of complaints, b=
ut I haven=E2=80=99t had any real problems with 10% ethanol fuel in my MG. =
My muscle car, with an advertised 10.5:1 compression ratio V8, wasn=E2=80=
=99t very happy with 91 octane CA blend, but it ran with slightly retarded =
timing.<br><br><div id=3D"m_5875903480977978435AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"l=
tr">Sent from my iPad</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Oct 7, 2019, at 5:46 AM,=
 Richard Lindsay via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></d=
iv><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"auto"><div>Hello =
friends,<div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0Straight ethanol has an equivalent o=
ctane rating of 113, so mixing it with petrol increases the mixture&#39;s o=
ctane value. Of course, the quoted value on the pump already takes this int=
o account. Beyond that gem of useless knowledge, I&#39;m close to lost.</di=
v><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0Petrol is a mixture of hydrocarbons. We al=
l know that. And Wikipedia can probably list them all in volume fraction or=
der. But what is added today to increase the 87 octane value, other than et=
hanol? It used to be TEL, or tetraethyllead, but those days are long gone. =
The skeptical and distrusting scientist in me wants to believe that petrol =
manufacturers are using the ethanol content to elevate the effective octane=
 rating thereby saving the other octane boosting stuff, whatever it is.</di=
v><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Rick</div><br><br><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Oct 7, 2019=
, 3:11 AM PaulHunt73 via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targ=
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