Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG pickup

From: Max Heim via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2019 17:28:16 -0700

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Just dumb. It=E2=80=99s like the Chinese bicycle I bought =E2=80=94 it =
bears the brand name of a long-defunct British bicycle manufacturer. No =
relation, they just bought the rights to the name cheap.

<sigh>

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Max Heim
'66 MGB

> On Aug 8, 2019, at 5:14 PM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
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> Any if you seen this vehicle? No, I have just less than 0% interest in =
owning it but it is interesting.
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> =
https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Automobile/China-owned-British-brand-MG-l=
aunches-pickup-in-Thailand =
<https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Automobile/China-owned-British-brand-MG-=
launches-pickup-in-Thailand>
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> Rick

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class=3D"">Just dumb. It=E2=80=99s like the Chinese bicycle I bought =E2=80=
=94 it bears the brand name of a long-defunct British bicycle =
manufacturer. No relation, they just bought the rights to the name =
cheap.<div class=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">&lt;sigh&gt;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">
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min-height: 16px;" class=3D"">Max Heim</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; =
font-size: 13px;" class=3D"">'66 MGB</div></div></div>
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class=3D"">On Aug 8, 2019, at 5:14 PM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">Any if you seen this vehicle? No, I have just =
less than 0% interest in owning&nbsp;it but it is interesting.<div =
dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D""><a =
href=3D"https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Automobile/China-owned-British-br=
and-MG-launches-pickup-in-Thailand" =
class=3D"">https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Automobile/China-owned-British=
-brand-MG-launches-pickup-in-Thailand</a><br class=3D""></div><div =
dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D"">Rick</div></div>
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From: Robert's New iPad via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2019 07:26:03 -0400

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   Max=E2=80=99s Chinese-built British-name bike response made me curious. A=
 quick Google lookup finds in the UK:  Pashley, Brompton, Shand and Enigma a=
s bicycle manufacturers, Brooks still making saddles, and a host of componen=
t manufacturers. =20
   My wife=E2=80=99s bicycle, kept from junior high school years, is a Ralei=
gh, made in Nottingham, girl=E2=80=99s frame, chain fully enclosed, with Stu=
rmey-Archer three-speed.  It is possibly the smoothest bike I have ridden. T=
oo bad for me that it is short, saddle-to-handlebars, as it is so comfortabl=
e to ride.=20
Bob

> On Aug 8, 2019, at 8:28 PM, Max Heim via Mgs <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Just dumb. It=E2=80=99s like the Chinese bicycle I bought =E2=80=94 it bea=
rs the brand name of a long-defunct British bicycle manufacturer. No relatio=
n, they just bought the rights to the name cheap.
>=20
> <sigh>
>=20
> --
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB
>=20
>> On Aug 8, 2019, at 5:14 PM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs <[email-masked]> w=
rote:
>>=20
>> Any if you seen this vehicle? No, I have just less than 0% interest in ow=
ning it but it is interesting.
>>=20
>> https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Automobile/China-owned-British-brand-MG-=
launches-pickup-in-Thailand
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utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nb=
sp; &nbsp;Max=E2=80=99s Chinese-built British-name bike response made me cur=
ious. A quick Google lookup finds in the UK: &nbsp;Pashley, Brompton, Shand a=
nd Enigma as bicycle manufacturers, Brooks still making saddles, and a host o=
f component manufacturers. &nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; &nbsp;My wife=
=E2=80=99s bicycle, kept from junior high school years, is a Raleigh, made i=
n Nottingham, girl=E2=80=99s frame, chain fully enclosed, with Sturmey-Arche=
r three-speed. &nbsp;It is possibly the smoothest bike I have ridden. Too ba=
d for me that it is short, saddle-to-handlebars, as it is so comfortable to r=
ide.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div di=
r=3D"ltr"><br>On Aug 8, 2019, at 8:28 PM, Max Heim via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" con=
tent=3D"text/html charset=3Dutf-8">Just dumb. It=E2=80=99s like the Chinese b=
icycle I bought =E2=80=94 it bears the brand name of a long-defunct British b=
icycle manufacturer. No relation, they just bought the rights to the name ch=
eap.<div class=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">&lt=
;sigh&gt;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start=
; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing:=
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bkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0px; f=
ont-size: 13px;" class=3D"">--</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13=
px; min-height: 16px;" class=3D"">Max Heim</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; f=
ont-size: 13px;" class=3D"">'66 MGB</div></div></div>
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ug 8, 2019, at 5:14 PM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@au=
tox.team.net" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D=
"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">Any=
 if you seen this vehicle? No, I have just less than 0% interest in owning&n=
bsp;it but it is interesting.<div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br class=3D""></d=
iv><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><a href=3D"https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/=
Automobile/China-owned-British-brand-MG-launches-pickup-in-Thailand" class=3D=
"">https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Automobile/China-owned-British-brand-MG-=
launches-pickup-in-Thailand</a><br class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D=
""><br class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">Rick</div></div>
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From: David Breneman via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2019 18:19:18 +0000 (UTC)

On Thursday, August 8, 2019, 5:28:27 PM PDT, Max Heim via Mgs <[email-masked]> wrote: 

> Just dumb. It’s like the Chinese bicycle I bought — it bears the brand name of a 
> long-defunct British bicycle manufacturer. No relation, they just bought the rights 
> to the name cheap.<sigh>

There's more to it than that.  SAIC did buy the MG company and a lot
of the tooling from the executives who had bought it from BMW, and
has been selling cars in Europe for several years.  A better analogy 
might be Jeep.

[email-masked]

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From: Max Heim via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2019 11:30:26 -0700

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Yes, we know they bought what was left of the company, so they did come =
by the trademark legitimately. But you can=E2=80=99t tell me that this =
pickup truck has any actual content left over from the UK version of the =
company.

I think it is mainly an example of this cultural tendency of Asian =
corporations to adopt English-language trademarks and brand names for =
perceived prestige, even if their customer base cannot be expected to be =
aware of the original derivation. Really, how many Chinese truck =
customers know that the MG sports car even existed? No more than they =
know that the Dawes bicycle existed.

--
Max Heim
'66 MGB

> On Aug 9, 2019, at 11:19 AM, David Breneman via Mgs =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> On Thursday, August 8, 2019, 5:28:27 PM PDT, Max Heim via Mgs =
<[email-masked]> wrote:=20
>=20
>> Just dumb. It=E2=80=99s like the Chinese bicycle I bought =E2=80=94 =
it bears the brand name of a=20
>> long-defunct British bicycle manufacturer. No relation, they just =
bought the rights=20
> has been selling cars in Europe for several years.  A better analogy=20=

> might be Jeep.

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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Yes, we know they bought what was left of the company, so =
they did come by the trademark legitimately. But you can=E2=80=99t tell =
me that this pickup truck has any actual content left over from the UK =
version of the company.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">I think it is mainly an example of this cultural tendency of =
Asian corporations to adopt English-language trademarks and brand names =
for perceived prestige, even if their customer base cannot be expected =
to be aware of the original derivation. Really, how many Chinese truck =
customers know that the MG sports car even existed? No more than they =
know that the Dawes bicycle existed.<br class=3D""><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; text-align: =
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
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class=3D"">--</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; =
min-height: 16px;" class=3D"">Max Heim</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; =
font-size: 13px;" class=3D"">'66 MGB</div></div></div>
</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div>

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class=3D"">On Aug 9, 2019, at 11:19 AM, David Breneman via Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Thursday, August 8, 2019, 5:28:27 PM PDT, Max Heim via Mgs =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote: <br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">Just dumb. It=E2=80=99s =
like the Chinese bicycle I bought =E2=80=94 it bears the brand name of a =
<br class=3D"">long-defunct British bicycle manufacturer. No relation, =
they just bought the rights <br class=3D"">to the name =
cheap.&lt;sigh&gt;<br class=3D""></blockquote><br class=3D"">There's =
more to it than that.&nbsp; SAIC did buy the MG company and a lot<br =
class=3D"">of the tooling from the executives who had bought it from =
BMW, and<br class=3D"">has been selling cars in Europe for several =
years.&nbsp; A better analogy <br class=3D"">might be Jeep.<br =
class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">_______________________________________________<br =
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From: David Breneman via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2019 21:05:02 +0000 (UTC)

On Friday, August 9, 2019, 11:30:29 AM PDT, Max Heim <[email-masked]> wrote: 

> Yes, we know they bought what was left of the company, so they did come by the 
> trademark legitimately. But you can’t tell me that this pickup truck has any actual 
> content left over from the UK version of the company.

I never tried to.  I thought we were talking about the corporate pedigree,
not the mechanical one.  I doubt that current Jeeps have any content left
over from the Willys version either.  Even if MG was still based in Britain,
it's doubtful that their current products would have any commonality with
the cars sold in the US up to 1980.

[email-masked]

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From: Dan DiBiase via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2019 17:19:38 -0400

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Well, I don't know about that, David.....! ;-)

Dan D
Central NJ USA
http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/

On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 5:06 PM David Breneman via Mgs <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> > trademark legitimately. But you can=E2=80=99t tell me that this pickup =
truck has
> any actual
> I never tried to.  I thought we were talking about the corporate pedigree=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Well, I don&#39;t know about that, David.....! ;-)<div><br=
></div><div>Dan D</div><div>Central NJ USA<br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><a href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/" target=3D"_blank">=
http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><=
div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Aug=
 9, 2019 at 5:06 PM David Breneman via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.=
team.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204=
,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Friday, August 9, 2019, 11:30:29 AM PDT, Max=
 Heim &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">mvheim@soni=
c.net</a>&gt; wrote: <br>
<br>
&gt; Yes, we know they bought what was left of the company, so they did com=
e by the <br>
&gt; trademark legitimately. But you can=E2=80=99t tell me that this pickup=
 truck has any actual <br>
&gt; content left over from the UK version of the company.<br>
<br>
I never tried to.=C2=A0 I thought we were talking about the corporate pedig=
ree,<br>
not the mechanical one.=C2=A0 I doubt that current Jeeps have any content l=
eft<br>
over from the Willys version either.=C2=A0 Even if MG was still based in Br=
itain,<br>
it&#39;s doubtful that their current products would have any commonality wi=
th<br>
the cars sold in the US up to 1980.<br>
<br>
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From: PaulHunt73 via Mgs <[email-masked]>
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That one hasn't but the models sold in Europe do have UK content as the =
company still has a presence on the Longbridge site used to manufacture =
the ZR, ZS and ZT cars of 2001 to 2005, and when BMW owned the rights =
before that, and going back to Herbert Austin.  Engine, steering and =
suspension settings for European models is done in the UK and is =
different to those sold in Asia.  Ironic, really, as Abingdon was never =
a manufacturing plant only final assembly, and the whole thing started =
with Kimber tweaking Morris engine, steering and suspension settings.
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  Yes, we know they bought what was left of the company, so they did =
come by the trademark legitimately. But you can=E2=80=99t tell me that =
this pickup truck has any actual content left over from the UK version =
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You have or had one of those, right, Paul?

Dan D
Central NJ USA

On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 6:24 AM PaulHunt73 via Mgs <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> That one hasn't but the models sold in Europe do have UK content as the
> company still has a presence on the Longbridge site used to manufacture t=
he
> ZR, ZS and ZT cars of 2001 to 2005, and when BMW owned the rights before
> that, and going back to Herbert Austin.  Engine, steering and suspension
> settings for European models is done in the UK and is different to those
> sold in Asia.  Ironic, really, as Abingdon was never a manufacturing plan=
t
> only final assembly, and the whole thing started with Kimber tweaking
> Morris engine, steering and suspension settings.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> Yes, we know they bought what was left of the company, so they did come b=
y
> the trademark legitimately. But you can=E2=80=99t tell me that this picku=
p truck
> has any actual content left over from the UK version of the company.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">You have or had one of those, right, Paul?<div><br></div><=
div>Dan D</div><div>Central NJ USA<br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" c=
lass=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr=
"><a href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://dan=
dibiase.cbintouch.com/</a></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Aug 10, 2019=
 at 6:24 AM PaulHunt73 via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mg=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);pa=
dding-left:1ex"><u></u>

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<div><font size=3D"2">That one=C2=A0hasn&#39;t but the models sold in Europ=
e do=20
have=C2=A0UK content as the company=C2=A0still has a presence on the Longbr=
idge=20
site used to manufacture the ZR, ZS and ZT cars of 2001 to 2005, and when B=
MW=20
owned the rights before that, and going back to Herbert Austin.=C2=A0=20
Engine,=C2=A0steering and suspension settings for European models is done i=
n the=20
UK and is different to those sold in Asia.=C2=A0 Ironic, really, as Abingdo=
n was=20
never a manufacturing plant only final assembly, and the whole thing starte=
d=20
with Kimber tweaking Morris engine, steering and suspension=20
settings.</font></div>
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ing-right:0px;margin-left:5px;margin-right:0px">
  <div style=3D"font:10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div>
  <div>Yes, we know they bought what was left of the company, so they did c=
ome=20
  by the trademark legitimately. But you can=E2=80=99t tell me that this pi=
ckup truck=20
  has any actual content left over from the UK version of the=20
company.</div></blockquote></div>
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Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2019 14:21:05 +0100 b9klRm9y5dsVaP0vZLvEJEx3r5GwO9RSJm+ke4GGhJuzJpSgH6G1/sfaPMGlGbpVxohvAquoNC7o6nd5kIaFvC4n513a5Iu8DHg=

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2004 ZS180 for 12 years, this year it qualifies for 'classic' insurance. =
 Parts getting difficult to obtain now.  Whilst some are common to the =
Rover 45 and even the Honda predecessor, some are ZS specific, some 180 =
specific, and the rear exhaust box is different for saloon and =
hatchback!  As of the end of 2018 there were only 61 left on UK roads =
with 44 still registered but not in use.

I've looked at the Chinese MG3 and MG6 saloons but they are bit puny, =
and their version of the ZS is an SUV (like everything else here these =
days) so much larger, but powered by a 1 litre turbo of 111PS, or a 1.5 =
naturally aspirated of 106PS, so even punier.

Looks like 'something else' when the ZS bites the dust.

Paul.

----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Dan DiBiase=20
  To: PaulHunt73=20
  Cc: MG List=20
  Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2019 1:55 PM
  Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG pickup

  Dan D
  Central NJ USA

  http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>2004 ZS180 for 12 years, this year it qualifies for =
'classic'=20
insurance.&nbsp; Parts getting difficult to obtain now.&nbsp; Whilst =
some are=20
common to the Rover 45 and even the Honda predecessor, some are ZS =
specific,=20
some 180 specific, and the rear exhaust box is different for saloon and=20
hatchback!&nbsp; As of the end of 2018 there were only 61 left on UK =
roads with=20
44 still registered but not in use.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I've looked at the Chinese MG3 and MG6 saloons but =
they are=20
bit puny, and their version of the ZS is an SUV (like everything else =
here these=20
days) so much larger, but powered by a 1 litre turbo of 111PS, or a 1.5=20
naturally aspirated of 106PS, so even punier.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Looks like 'something else' when the ZS bites the=20
dust.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Paul.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; =
PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=20
dir=3Dltr>
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  style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=[email-masked] =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Dan=20
  DiBiase</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=[email-masked]=20
  href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">PaulHunt73</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
title=[email-masked]=20
  href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">MG List</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, August 10, 2019 =
1:55=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Mgs] MG =
pickup</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr>You have or had one of those, right, Paul?
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>Dan D</DIV>
  <DIV>Central NJ USA<BR clear=3Dall>
  <DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr class=3Dgmail_signature =
data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature">
  <DIV dir=3Dltr><A href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/"=20
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target=3D_blank>http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</A></DIV></DIV></DIV></D=
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Good looking car. I assume your is a limited-edition model to be relatively
rare...?

Dan D
Central NJ USA

On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 9:38 AM PaulHunt73 <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> 2004 ZS180 for 12 years, this year it qualifies for 'classic' insurance.
> Parts getting difficult to obtain now.  Whilst some are common to the Rover
> 45 and even the Honda predecessor, some are ZS specific, some 180 specific,
> and the rear exhaust box is different for saloon and hatchback!  As of the
> end of 2018 there were only 61 left on UK roads with 44 still registered
> but not in use.
>
> I've looked at the Chinese MG3 and MG6 saloons but they are bit puny, and
> their version of the ZS is an SUV (like everything else here these days) so
> much larger, but powered by a 1 litre turbo of 111PS, or a 1.5 naturally
> aspirated of 106PS, so even punier.
>
> *From:* Dan DiBiase <[email-masked]>
> *To:* PaulHunt73 <[email-masked]>
> *Cc:* MG List <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 10, 2019 1:55 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Mgs] MG pickup
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Good looking car. I assume your is a limited-edition model=
 to be relatively rare...?<div><br></div><div>Dan D</div><div>Central NJ US=
A<br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-sma=
rtmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><a href=3D"http://dandibiase.cb=
intouch.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a></div><=
/div></div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 9:38 AM PaulHunt73 &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; w=
rote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0p=
x 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u>

<div bgcolor=3D"#ffffff">
<div><font size=3D"2">2004 ZS180 for 12 years, this year it qualifies for &=
#39;classic&#39;=20
insurance.=C2=A0 Parts getting difficult to obtain now.=C2=A0 Whilst some a=
re=20
common to the Rover 45 and even the Honda predecessor, some are ZS specific=
,=20
some 180 specific, and the rear exhaust box is different for saloon and=20
hatchback!=C2=A0 As of the end of 2018 there were only 61 left on UK roads =
with=20
44 still registered but not in use.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"2">I&#39;ve looked at the Chinese MG3 and MG6 saloons bu=
t they are=20
bit puny, and their version of the ZS is an SUV (like everything else here =
these=20
days) so much larger, but powered by a 1 litre turbo of 111PS, or a 1.5=20
naturally aspirated of 106PS, so even punier.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"2">Looks like &#39;something else&#39; when the ZS bites=
 the=20
dust.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"2">Paul.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div>----- Original Message ----- </div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-left:2px solid rgb(0,0,0);padding-left:5px;padd=
ing-right:0px;margin-left:5px;margin-right:0px" dir=3D"ltr">
  <div style=3D"font:10pt arial;background:rgb(228,228,228)"><b>From:</b>=
=20
  <a title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">Dan=20
  DiBiase</a> </div>
  <div style=3D"font:10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"paulhunt73@virginme=
dia.com" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">PaulH=
unt73</a> </div>
  <div style=3D"font:10pt arial"><b>Cc:</b> <a title=3D"[email-masked]"=
 href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">MG List</a> </div>
  <div style=3D"font:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, August 10, 2019 1:5=
5=20
  PM</div>
  <div style=3D"font:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mgs] MG pickup</div>
  <div><br></div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr">You have or had one of those, right, Paul?
  <div><br></div>
  <div>Dan D</div>
  <div>Central NJ USA<br clear=3D"all">
  <div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail-m_-9032620616324951679gmail_signature">
  <div dir=3D"ltr"><a href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/" target=3D"_=
blank">http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a></div></div></div></div></div></=
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Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 10:42:08 +0100 gHaaHxZEFvWp0evtjuqBfPudUmtRFDuH1cQDQ2h5MkpUjG4MGXIWC5HD3vcK1Pj4WlnkU+ClyekKVHxVdjxkaq9PExv5Hq3XcN4=

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'Rare', which doesn't translate to 'valuable' - yet at any rate!  Only =
worth about =C2=A32k/$2400.  I could get double that in 'scrappage' if I =
swapped it for a new Vauxhall, but who wants one of those? :o)

Paul.

----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Dan DiBiase=20
  To: PaulHunt73=20
  Cc: MG List=20
  Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2019 8:43 PM
  Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG pickup

  Good looking car. I assume your is a limited-edition model to be =
relatively rare...?

  Dan D
  Central NJ USA

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  <DIV dir=3Dltr>Good looking car. I assume your is a limited-edition =
model to be=20
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    Ira, I must admit that I like the looks of the MGB Sport Ute!  :-o
   I don't like the fact that a ' B ' gave its life to become one, but
perhaps the donor car suffered an irreparable rear end catastrophe.

On Sun, Aug 11, 2019, 10:55 PM i erbs <[email-masked]> wrote:

> How about this pickup truck?
> Ira Erbs
> Portland,OR
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=A0 =C2=A0I don&#39;t like the fact that a &#39; B &#39; gave its life to b=
ecome one, but perhaps the donor car suffered an irreparable rear end catas=
trophe.=C2=A0</div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" cla=
ss=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 11, 2019, 10:55 PM i erbs &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc =
solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">How about this pickup truck?<br cl=
ear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"m_-1601893546842150782gmail_sign=
ature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D=
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Oh yes,

I still have my secondary modern school Gazelle bike from 1967 =E2=80=93 ol=
der than my BGT! 

And it is equipped with a Sturmey Archer 3-speed hub.

50 years ago I went with this bike on holidays to Germany, Luxemburg and Be=
lgium. Covered 1200 KM=E2=80=99s in two weeks =E2=80=93 nothing failed.

In all these years only the front wheel went bust due to mistreatments by f=
ellow school guys.

It also has a leather Brooks saddle. 

Rides great still.

Cheers,

Hans

17 BGT NRG WW no od

Van: Mgs [mailto:[email-masked]] Namens Robert's New iPad via M=
gs
Verzonden: vrijdag 9 augustus 2019 13:26
Aan: Max Heim
CC: MG List
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] MG pickup

   Max=E2=80=99s Chinese-built British-name bike response made me curious. =
A quick Google lookup finds in the UK:  Pashley, Brompton, Shand and Enigma=
 as bicycle manufacturers, Brooks still making saddles, and a host of compo=
nent manufacturers.  

   My wife=E2=80=99s bicycle, kept from junior high school years, is a Rale=
igh, made in Nottingham, girl=E2=80=99s frame, chain fully enclosed, with S=
turmey-Archer three-speed.  It is possibly the smoothest bike I have ridden=
=2E Too bad for me that it is short, saddle-to-handlebars, as it is so comf=
ortable to ride. 

Bob

Just dumb. It=E2=80=99s like the Chinese bicycle I bought =E2=80=94 it bear=
s the brand name of a long-defunct British bicycle manufacturer. No relatio=
n, they just bought the rights to the name cheap.

<sigh>

--

Max Heim

'66 MGB

On Aug 8, 2019, at 5:14 PM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs <[email-masked]> wr=
ote:

Any if you seen this vehicle? No, I have just less than 0% interest in owni=
ng it but it is interesting.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Automobile/China-owned-British-brand-MG-la=
unches-pickup-in-Thailand

Rick

[email-masked]

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=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'fon=
t-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Oh yes,<o:p=
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y:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I still have my secondary modern sc=
hool Gazelle bike from 1967 =E2=80=93 older than my BGT! <o:p></o:p></span>=
</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>And it is equipped with a Stur=
mey Archer 3-speed hub.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lan=
g=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";colo=
r:#1F497D'>50 years ago I went with this bike on holidays to Germany, Luxem=
burg and Belgium. Covered 1200 KM=E2=80=99s in two weeks =E2=80=93 nothing =
failed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=
=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>In a=
ll these years only the front wheel went bust due to mistreatments by fello=
w school guys.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US=
 style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D=
'>It also has a leather Brooks saddle. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMso=
Normal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","=
sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Rides great still.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cali=
bri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMso=
Normal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","=
sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNorma=
l><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-=
serif";color:#1F497D'>Hans<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";c=
olor:#1F497D'>17 BGT NRG WW no od<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal=
><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-s=
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soNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-seri=
f"'>Van:</span></b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sa=
ns-serif"'> Mgs [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>Namens </b>Robert's =
New iPad via Mgs<br><b>Verzonden:</b> vrijdag 9 augustus 2019 13:26<br><b>A=
an:</b> Max Heim<br><b>CC:</b> MG List<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] MG pi=
ckup<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p=
></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp; &nbsp;Max=E2=80=99s Chinese-built Bri=
tish-name bike response made me curious. A quick Google lookup finds in the=
 UK: &nbsp;Pashley, Brompton, Shand and Enigma as bicycle manufacturers, Br=
ooks still making saddles, and a host of component manufacturers. &nbsp;<o:=
p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp; &nbsp;My wife=E2=80=99s =
bicycle, kept from junior high school years, is a Raleigh, made in Nottingh=
am, girl=E2=80=99s frame, chain fully enclosed, with Sturmey-Archer three-s=
peed. &nbsp;It is possibly the smoothest bike I have ridden. Too bad for me=
 that it is short, saddle-to-handlebars, as it is so comfortable to ride.&n=
bsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Bob<o:p></o:p></p></div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNor=
mal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Aug 8, 2019, at 8:28 PM, Max Heim=
 via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&g=
t; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-=
bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Just dumb. It=E2=80=99s like the Ch=
inese bicycle I bought =E2=80=94 it bears the brand name of a long-defunct =
British bicycle manufacturer. No relation, they just bought the rights to t=
he name cheap.<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&lt;sigh&gt;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div=
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yle=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>'66 MGB<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></d=
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Aug 8, 2019, at 5:14 PM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@=
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Thailand">https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Automobile/China-owned-British-b=
rand-MG-launches-pickup-in-Thailand</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=
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