Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG pickup

From: PaulHunt73 via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 15:09:06 +0100 Trea2BdAgg+RuNbEkPTCvi5n1oI94A//jP+VdM/nzi6msJOpKpdVxkMOLM4dRAFXFzFlNwxlRiHxiySp9n6UN8QEsLnY5rSWEcOeqqMe1FtwTB8onYXPV6BF

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With you there.  One of the things I hate about modern cars is that they =
are so 'competent' aka boring.  Our daughter had a new MINI and if it =
hadn't been for the scenery going past the window I wouldn't have known =
we were moving.  I blame the manufacturers for reducing the driving =
experience to that of sitting on a sofa watching TV, and of drivers =
paying the same amount of attention to their driving.  Time and time =
again car shows where they have any number of modern exotics the =
presenters occasionally get into a classic and rave about the =
experience.  One of the things that surprised me with the ZS180 on a =
test-drive at launch in 2001 was just how involving it was.  It'll have =
to go one day, and I'll be sorry when that happens.
  ----- Original Message -----=20
     Why, you (didn't) ask, would I own cars like that? Because they're =
quirky and fun. So further to the point; Valuable by its very nature is =
a subjective term. Its dynamic, and I love dynamic systems.
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>With you there.&nbsp; One of the things I hate about =
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a new=20
MINI and if it hadn't been for the scenery going past the window I =
wouldn't have=20
known we were moving.&nbsp; I blame the manufacturers for reducing the =
driving=20
experience to that of sitting on a sofa watching TV, and of drivers =
paying the=20
same amount of attention to their driving.&nbsp; Time and time again car =
shows=20
where they have any number of modern exotics the presenters occasionally =
get=20
into a classic and rave about the experience.&nbsp; One of the things=20
that&nbsp;surprised&nbsp;me with the ZS180 on a test-drive at launch in =
2001 was=20
just how involving&nbsp;it was.&nbsp; It'll have to go one day, and I'll =
be=20
sorry when that happens.</FONT></DIV>
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From: Dan DiBiase via Mgs <[email-masked]>
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Interesting you mention that MINI.... We have a 2009 MINI Cooper Hardtop
with a 6-speed manual that is actually great fun to drive. I just got back
from doing some errands with it, and had forgotten how great the exhaust
note is, windows up or down (like I had them today). Handles great, even in
non-S spec. My wife drives it to and from work and enjoys it as well. Only
reason I don't drive it more is the relatively weak A/C, compared to my
Mazda CX-5, and the vinyl seats that are brutal in the summer. As I'm a
Realtor, I need a roomier vehicle, and not showing up to appointments
soaked in sweat is always a good idea. ;-)

Dan D
Central NJ USA
http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/

On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 10:16 AM PaulHunt73 <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> With you there.  One of the things I hate about modern cars is that they
> are so 'competent' aka boring.  Our daughter had a new MINI and if it
> hadn't been for the scenery going past the window I wouldn't have known we
> were moving.  I blame the manufacturers for reducing the driving experience
> to that of sitting on a sofa watching TV, and of drivers paying the same
> amount of attention to their driving.  Time and time again car shows where
> they have any number of modern exotics the presenters occasionally get into
> a classic and rave about the experience.  One of the things
> that surprised me with the ZS180 on a test-drive at launch in 2001 was just
> how involving it was.  It'll have to go one day, and I'll be sorry when
> that happens.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>    Why, you (didn't) ask, would I own cars like that? Because they're
> quirky and fun. So further to the point; Valuable by its very nature is a
> subjective term. Its dynamic, and I love dynamic systems.
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Interesting you mention that MINI.... We have a 2009 MINI =
Cooper Hardtop with a 6-speed manual that is actually great fun to drive. I=
 just got back from doing some errands with it, and had forgotten how great=
 the exhaust note is, windows up or down (like I had them today). Handles g=
reat, even in non-S spec. My wife drives it to and from work and enjoys it =
as well. Only reason I don&#39;t drive it more is the relatively weak A/C, =
compared to my Mazda CX-5, and the vinyl seats that are brutal in the summe=
r. As I&#39;m a Realtor, I need a roomier vehicle, and not showing up to ap=
pointments soaked in sweat is always a good idea. ;-)<div><br></div><div>Da=
n D</div><div>Central NJ USA<br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><a=
 href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://dandibi=
ase.cbintouch.com/</a></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"g=
mail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 1=
0:16 AM PaulHunt73 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">paulhu=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204=
);padding-left:1ex"><u></u>

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<div><font size=3D"2">With you there.=C2=A0 One of the things I hate about =
modern=20
cars is that they are so &#39;competent&#39; aka boring.=C2=A0 Our daughter=
 had a new=20
MINI and if it hadn&#39;t been for the scenery going past the window I woul=
dn&#39;t have=20
known we were moving.=C2=A0 I blame the manufacturers for reducing the driv=
ing=20
experience to that of sitting on a sofa watching TV, and of drivers paying =
the=20
same amount of attention to their driving.=C2=A0 Time and time again car sh=
ows=20
where they have any number of modern exotics the presenters occasionally ge=
t=20
into a classic and rave about the experience.=C2=A0 One of the things=20
that=C2=A0surprised=C2=A0me with the ZS180 on a test-drive at launch in 200=
1 was=20
just how involving=C2=A0it was.=C2=A0 It&#39;ll have to go one day, and I&#=
39;ll be=20
sorry when that happens.</font></div>
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ing-right:0px;margin-left:5px;margin-right:0px" dir=3D"ltr">
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  <div style=3D"font:10pt arial;background:rgb(228,228,228)">=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0Why,=20
  you (didn&#39;t) ask, would I own cars like that? Because they&#39;re qui=
rky and fun.=20
  So further to the point; Valuable by its very nature is a subjective term=
. Its=20
  dynamic, and I love dynamic systems.</div></blockquote></div>
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From: i erbs via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 12:09:07 -0700

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My 2009 S countryman was a hoot to drive. Just too damn expensive to
repair. $425.00 thermostat housing.

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<div dir=3D"auto">My 2009 S countryman was a hoot to drive. Just too damn e=
xpensive to repair. <span class=3D"money">$425.00</span>=C2=A0thermostat ho=
using.</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_=
attr">On Sun, Aug 11, 2019, 12:07 PM Dan DiBiase via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc s=
olid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Interesting you mention that MINI..=
.. We have a 2009 MINI Cooper Hardtop with a 6-speed manual that is actuall=
y great fun to drive. I just got back from doing some errands with it, and =
had forgotten how great the exhaust note is, windows up or down (like I had=
 them today). Handles great, even in non-S spec. My wife drives it to and f=
rom work and enjoys it as well. Only reason I don&#39;t drive it more is th=
e relatively weak A/C, compared to my Mazda CX-5, and the vinyl seats that =
are brutal in the summer. As I&#39;m a Realtor, I need a roomier vehicle, a=
nd not showing up to appointments soaked in sweat is always a good idea. ;-=
)<div><br></div><div>Dan D</div><div>Central NJ USA<br clear=3D"all"><div><=
div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"m_-4325951932338001358gmail_signature" data-smartm=
ail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><a href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbint=
ouch.com/" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">http://dandibiase.cbintouch=
.com/</a></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><=
div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 10:16 AM PaulH=
unt73 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" r=
el=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><block=
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px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u>

<div bgcolor=3D"#ffffff">
<div><font size=3D"2">With you there.=C2=A0 One of the things I hate about =
modern=20
cars is that they are so &#39;competent&#39; aka boring.=C2=A0 Our daughter=
 had a new=20
MINI and if it hadn&#39;t been for the scenery going past the window I woul=
dn&#39;t have=20
known we were moving.=C2=A0 I blame the manufacturers for reducing the driv=
ing=20
experience to that of sitting on a sofa watching TV, and of drivers paying =
the=20
same amount of attention to their driving.=C2=A0 Time and time again car sh=
ows=20
where they have any number of modern exotics the presenters occasionally ge=
t=20
into a classic and rave about the experience.=C2=A0 One of the things=20
that=C2=A0surprised=C2=A0me with the ZS180 on a test-drive at launch in 200=
1 was=20
just how involving=C2=A0it was.=C2=A0 It&#39;ll have to go one day, and I&#=
39;ll be=20
sorry when that happens.</font></div>
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ing-right:0px;margin-left:5px;margin-right:0px" dir=3D"ltr">
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  <div style=3D"font:10pt arial;background:rgb(228,228,228)">=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0Why,=20
  you (didn&#39;t) ask, would I own cars like that? Because they&#39;re qui=
rky and fun.=20
  So further to the point; Valuable by its very nature is a subjective term=
. Its=20
  dynamic, and I love dynamic systems.</div></blockquote></div>
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From: PaulHunt73 via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 08:49:33 +0100 ErTKulDjlwpQbMpiDz06pkt4hsW0ZPFRYEgKBXhMrNliaEi0BBRhwxs/eoOdjr1oGIkQWWEmh8DiwvxmdVLCZK4DZ4MJ0eCafKgDChsjJ35dNrdNazLJWtF/

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A pal had a Works Cooper for a while and that was great fun to drive =
like a hooligan, but uncomfortable for longer distances.  The most =
impressive thing was the headlights - I couldn't believe how far they =
reached without apparently dazzling oncoming drivers.  SUVs coming =
towards an MGB is a completely different matter though due to the =
relative heights.  My 75 V8 has the halogen conversion and the 2004 ZS =
with the same halogen bulbs is no better.

PaulH.

  Interesting you mention that MINI.... We have a 2009 MINI Cooper =
Hardtop with a 6-speed manual that is actually great fun to drive.
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they=20
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towards=20
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heights.&nbsp; My 75 V8 has&nbsp;the halogen conversion and the 2004 ZS =
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From: Hans Duinhoven via Mgs <[email-masked]>
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Agree with rare being valuable.

Last weekend I sold one of my Puch mopeds =E2=80=93 an automatic fully orig=
inal 1986 Maxi type, which specially was made for the Dutch market to be dr=
iven up to 16 M/h without a crash helmet. I bought the bike with original f=
irst tires and almost pristine condition @ 1530 KM (almost 1000 miles on th=
e odometer (some scratches on the paint only) for =E2=82=AC 200,00 in 2010.=

Last weekend I sold it for =E2=82=AC 750,00 to a guy who already owned exac=
tly two of those. It then had 3300 KM on the odometer since new.

So being rare =E2=80=93 the guy told me he never saw such an original bike =
in this top condition =E2=80=93 gives value!

Cheers,

Hans 71 BGT and still three classic Puch mopeds in the garage 

Van: Mgs [mailto:[email-masked]] Namens Rick via Mgs
Verzonden: zondag 11 augustus 2019 13:29
Aan: PaulHunt73
CC: MGs
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] MG pickup

> 'Rare', which doesn't translate to 'valuable'...

   Story of my life! I have two cars that are relatively 'rare', at least i=
n this country, and 'valuable' they are not. The first is a Maserati Biturb=
o E. Its one of only 250 cars with the ' E ' designation and liquid-air aft=
er-coolers (which are often called intercoolers). On a good day the car mig=
ht bring $6000. The second is a Lancia Zagato or a Beta Spyder in Europe. T=
hat car is worth about $25,000 because it is in showroom-like condition and=
 originally delivered to Arizona, USA - so it hasn't collapsed into a pile =
of rust!

   Why, you (didn't) ask, would I own cars like that? Because they're quirk=
y and fun. So further to the point; Valuable by its very nature is a subjec=
tive term. Its dynamic, and I love dynamic systems. To me, these cars' valu=
e is the pleasure they give to me. On the other hand, I just sold an early =
'flying mirror' Testarossa that I restored from cardboard boxes! Despite it=
 rarity, its only 'value' to me was the size of the buyer's check. The car =
was just no fun to own and drive. Granted, some of that blaz=C3=A9 attitude=
 toward it, was because I burned out while restoring it.

   Wow. Must be early Sunday morning. Sorry to veer so far off track.

Rick

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erif";color:#1F497D'>Last weekend I sold one of my Puch mopeds =E2=80=93 an=
 automatic fully original 1986 Maxi type, which specially was made for the =
Dutch market to be driven up to 16 M/h without a crash helmet. I bought the=
 bike with original first tires and almost pristine condition @ 1530 KM (al=
most 1000 miles on the odometer (some scratches on the paint only) for =E2=
=82=AC 200,00 in 2010.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=
=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color=
:#1F497D'>Last weekend I sold it for =E2=82=AC 750,00 to a guy who already =
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o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-=
size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So being rare=
 =E2=80=93 the guy told me he never saw such an original bike in this top c=
ondition =E2=80=93 gives value!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><=
span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-ser=
if";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span l=
ang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";co=
lor:#1F497D'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=
=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color=
:#1F497D'>Hans 71 BGT and still three classic Puch mopeds in the garage <o:=
p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-si=
ze:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-f=
amily:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Van:</span></b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt=
;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Mgs [mailto:[email-masked]=
] <b>Namens </b>Rick via Mgs<br><b>Verzonden:</b> zondag 11 augustus 2019 1=
3:29<br><b>Aan:</b> PaulHunt73<br><b>CC:</b> MGs<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [=
Mgs] MG pickup<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
/p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&gt;&nbsp;'Rare', which doesn't translate=
 to 'valuable'...<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp; &nbsp;Story of my life! I =
have two cars that are relatively 'rare', at least in this country, and 'va=
luable' they are not. The first is a Maserati Biturbo E. Its one of only 25=
0 cars with the ' E ' designation and liquid-air after-coolers (which are o=
ften called intercoolers). On a good day the car might bring <span class=3D=
money>$6000</span>. The second is a Lancia Zagato or a Beta Spyder in Europ=
e. That car is worth about $25,000 because it is in showroom-like condition=
 and originally delivered to Arizona, USA - so it hasn't collapsed into a p=
ile of rust!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp; &nbsp;Why=
, you (didn't) ask, would I own cars like that? Because they're quirky and =
fun. So further to the point; Valuable by its very nature is a subjective t=
erm. Its dynamic, and I love dynamic systems. To me, these cars' value is t=
he pleasure they give to me. On the other hand, I just sold an early 'flyin=
g mirror' Testarossa that I restored from cardboard boxes! Despite it rarit=
y, its only 'value' to me was the size of the buyer's check. The car was ju=
st no fun to own and drive. Granted, some of that blaz=C3=A9 attitude towar=
d it, was because I burned out while restoring it.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp; &nbsp;Wow. Must be early Sunday morning. Sorry=
 to veer so far off track.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o=
:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Rick<o:p></o:p></p></div=
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