Subject: [Mgs] Bad Fuel Question

From: David Breneman via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 17:36:21 +0000 (UTC)

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I've never encountered a "bad fuel" problem before, so I'm lookingfor some =
confirmation (or not).=C2=A0 The local Mom-without-Pop store putin new pump=
s, and one of the things they're offering now is 92 octane (US)
alcohol-free gas.=C2=A0 I had about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB highcom=
pression engine) so I went to fill up.=C2=A0 The pump with the alcohol-free=
 gas was out of order!=C2=A0 So I put in three gallons of regular 92=20
octane, and about 1/4 mile from the station started experiencing a lotof mi=
sfiring, mostly when accelerating in 3rd and 4th.=C2=A0 I continueddriving =
like this for about 20 miles to see if it would clear up and itnever did.=
=C2=A0 I can't imagine it's anything but the fuel, but I've neverencountere=
d "bad fuel" situation like this in 44 years of driving.
The fact that it started about 1/4 mile after leaving the station seemslike=
 pretty good evidence.=C2=A0 Any other possibilities?=C2=A0 Is there any op=
tionother than to just burn through this half tank of gas?
Thanks!=C2=A0=20

David Breneman [email-masked]
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<html><head></head><body><div class=3D"ydpec15941cyahoo-style-wrap" style=
=3D"font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">I've never encountered a "bad fuel" pro=
blem before, so I'm looking</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">for=
 some confirmation (or not).&nbsp; The local Mom-without-Pop store put</div=
><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">in new pumps, and one of the things=
 they're offering now is 92 octane (US)<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setd=
ir=3D"false">alcohol-free gas.&nbsp; I had about a quarter tank in my MGA (=
w/MGB high</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">compression engine) =
so I went to fill up.&nbsp; The pump with the alcohol-</div><div dir=3D"ltr=
" data-setdir=3D"false">free gas was out of order!&nbsp; So I put in three =
gallons of regular 92 <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">octa=
ne, and about 1/4 mile from the station started experiencing a lot</div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">of misfiring, mostly when accelerating =
in 3rd and 4th.&nbsp; I continued</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"fals=
e"><span><span class=3D"ydpd1457413st">driving like this for about 20 miles=
 to see if it would clear up and it</span></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" dat=
a-setdir=3D"false"><span><span class=3D"ydpd1457413st">never did.&nbsp; I c=
an't imagine it's anything but the fuel, but I've never</span></span></div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><span><span class=3D"ydpd1457413st">=
encountered "bad fuel" situation like this in 44 years of driving.</span></=
span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><span><span class=3D"ydpd=
1457413st"><br></span></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><=
span><span class=3D"ydpd1457413st">The fact that it started about 1/4 mile =
after leaving the station seems</span></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-se=
tdir=3D"false"><span><span class=3D"ydpd1457413st">like pretty good evidenc=
e.&nbsp; Any other possibilities?&nbsp; Is there any option</span></span></=
div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><span><span class=3D"ydpd1457413=
st">other than to just burn through this half tank of gas?</span></span></d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><span><span class=3D"ydpd1457413s=
t"><br></span></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><span><sp=
an class=3D"ydpd1457413st">Thanks!&nbsp; </span></span><br></div><div><br><=
/div><div class=3D"ydpec15941csignature">David Breneman         david_brene=
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From: Dan DiBiase via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 14:00:30 -0400

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It sure seems like it must be the fuel. I would probably drain as much as I
could, run it in my lawnmower or snowblower.....

Dan D
Central NJ USA
http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/

On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 1:36 PM David Breneman via Mgs <[email-masked]>
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> I've never encountered a "bad fuel" problem before, so I'm looking
> for some confirmation (or not).  The local Mom-without-Pop store put
> in new pumps, and one of the things they're offering now is 92 octane (US)
> alcohol-free gas.  I had about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB high
> compression engine) so I went to fill up.  The pump with the alcohol-
> free gas was out of order!  So I put in three gallons of regular 92
> octane, and about 1/4 mile from the station started experiencing a lot
> of misfiring, mostly when accelerating in 3rd and 4th.  I continued
> driving like this for about 20 miles to see if it would clear up and it
> never did.  I can't imagine it's anything but the fuel, but I've never
> encountered "bad fuel" situation like this in 44 years of driving.
>
> The fact that it started about 1/4 mile after leaving the station seems
> like pretty good evidence.  Any other possibilities?  Is there any option
> other than to just burn through this half tank of gas?
>
> Thanks!
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">It sure seems like it must be the fuel. I would probably d=
rain as much as I could, run it in my lawnmower or snowblower.....<div><br>=
</div><div>Dan D</div><div>Central NJ USA<br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D=
"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><a href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/" target=3D"_blank">htt=
p://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div=
 class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jul 22=
, 2019 at 1:36 PM David Breneman via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
am.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,2=
04,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div class=3D"gmail-m_-2617475127817027531yd=
pec15941cyahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-seri=
f;font-size:13px"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;ve never encountered a &quot;=
bad fuel&quot; problem before, so I&#39;m looking</div><div dir=3D"ltr">for=
 some confirmation (or not).=C2=A0 The local Mom-without-Pop store put</div=
><div dir=3D"ltr">in new pumps, and one of the things they&#39;re offering =
now is 92 octane (US)<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">alcohol-free gas.=C2=A0 I h=
ad about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB high</div><div dir=3D"ltr">compres=
sion engine) so I went to fill up.=C2=A0 The pump with the alcohol-</div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr">free gas was out of order!=C2=A0 So I put in three gallons o=
f regular 92 <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">octane, and about 1/4 mile from the=
 station started experiencing a lot</div><div dir=3D"ltr">of misfiring, mos=
tly when accelerating in 3rd and 4th.=C2=A0 I continued</div><div dir=3D"lt=
r"><span><span class=3D"gmail-m_-2617475127817027531ydpd1457413st">driving =
like this for about 20 miles to see if it would clear up and it</span></spa=
n></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span><span class=3D"gmail-m_-2617475127817027531y=
dpd1457413st">never did.=C2=A0 I can&#39;t imagine it&#39;s anything but th=
e fuel, but I&#39;ve never</span></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_-2617475127817027531ydpd1457413st">encountered &quot;bad f=
uel&quot; situation like this in 44 years of driving.</span></span></div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr"><span><span class=3D"gmail-m_-2617475127817027531ydpd1457413=
st"><br></span></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span><span class=3D"gmail-m_-=
2617475127817027531ydpd1457413st">The fact that it started about 1/4 mile a=
fter leaving the station seems</span></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span><s=
pan class=3D"gmail-m_-2617475127817027531ydpd1457413st">like pretty good ev=
idence.=C2=A0 Any other possibilities?=C2=A0 Is there any option</span></sp=
an></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span><span class=3D"gmail-m_-2617475127817027531=
ydpd1457413st">other than to just burn through this half tank of gas?</span=
></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span><span class=3D"gmail-m_-26174751278170=
27531ydpd1457413st"><br></span></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span><span cl=
ass=3D"gmail-m_-2617475127817027531ydpd1457413st">Thanks!=C2=A0 </span></sp=
an><br></div><div><br></div><div class=3D"gmail-m_-2617475127817027531ydpec=
15941csignature">David Breneman         <a href=3D"mailto:david_breneman@ya=
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From: i erbs via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 11:10:54 -0700

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could also be a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not causational. How
old is the condenser? Even if newish, there are lots of crappy new Lucas
parts out there. I had three bad ones with similar results, until replaced
with  a Distributor Doctor HD condenser.
Ira Erbs
Portland,OR
      _______                                  _______
     (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)
         (_________________________)
          BT7 engine and disk brakes

1967 MGB  

A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti
Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words

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<div dir=3D"ltr">could also be a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not c=
ausational. How old is the condenser? Even if newish, there are lots of cra=
ppy new Lucas parts out there. I had three bad ones with similar results, u=
ntil replaced with=C2=A0 a Distributor Doctor HD condenser.<br clear=3D"all=
"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_s=
ignature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div=
><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Ira Erbs<div>Portland,OR</div><div><span style=3D=
"font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 _______ =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0_______</span><br style=3D"fon=
t-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif"><span style=3D"font-family:&#39;T=
imes New Roman&#39;,serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _=
______)</span><br style=3D"font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif"><sp=
an style=3D"font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 (_________________________)</span></div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 BT7 engine and disk brakes</div><div><br></div><div><=
br></div><div>1967 MGB =C2=A0<img src=3D"http://www.britishcarspecialists.c=
om/assets/images/MG_emblem.jpg" alt=3D"MG"></div><div><br></div><div><span =
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helveti=
ca,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">A racing car is an animal with a thousa=
nd adjustments. Mario Andretti</span><br></div><div>Please excuse random au=
to corrects and misspelled words</div></div></div></div></div></div></div><=
/div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jul =
22, 2019 at 10:36 AM David Breneman via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox=
.team.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"=
gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(20=
4,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div class=3D"gmail-m_9075250362783882819=
ydpec15941cyahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-se=
rif;font-size:13px"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;ve never encountered a &quo=
t;bad fuel&quot; problem before, so I&#39;m looking</div><div dir=3D"ltr">f=
or some confirmation (or not).=C2=A0 The local Mom-without-Pop store put</d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr">in new pumps, and one of the things they&#39;re offerin=
g now is 92 octane (US)<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">alcohol-free gas.=C2=A0 I=
 had about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB high</div><div dir=3D"ltr">compr=
ession engine) so I went to fill up.=C2=A0 The pump with the alcohol-</div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr">free gas was out of order!=C2=A0 So I put in three gallons=
 of regular 92 <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">octane, and about 1/4 mile from t=
he station started experiencing a lot</div><div dir=3D"ltr">of misfiring, m=
ostly when accelerating in 3rd and 4th.=C2=A0 I continued</div><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><span><span class=3D"gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">driving=
 like this for about 20 miles to see if it would clear up and it</span></sp=
an></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span><span class=3D"gmail-m_9075250362783882819y=
dpd1457413st">never did.=C2=A0 I can&#39;t imagine it&#39;s anything but th=
e fuel, but I&#39;ve never</span></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">encountered &quot;bad fu=
el&quot; situation like this in 44 years of driving.</span></span></div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr"><span><span class=3D"gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st=
"><br></span></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span><span class=3D"gmail-m_907=
5250362783882819ydpd1457413st">The fact that it started about 1/4 mile afte=
r leaving the station seems</span></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span><span=
 class=3D"gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">like pretty good eviden=
ce.=C2=A0 Any other possibilities?=C2=A0 Is there any option</span></span><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span><span class=3D"gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1=
457413st">other than to just burn through this half tank of gas?</span></sp=
an></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span><span class=3D"gmail-m_9075250362783882819y=
dpd1457413st"><br></span></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span><span class=3D=
"gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">Thanks!=C2=A0 </span></span><br>=
</div><div><br></div><div class=3D"gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpec15941csi=
gnature">David Breneman         <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
 target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a></div></div></div></div>____=
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From: Max Heim via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 11:18:56 -0700

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How do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do is prevent the =
points from burning. Oh, you are saying the points are burnt.

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Max Heim
'66 MGB

> On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i erbs via Mgs <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
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> could also be a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not causational. =
How old is the condenser? Even if newish, there are lots of crappy new =
Lucas parts out there. I had three bad ones with similar results, until =
replaced with  a Distributor Doctor HD condenser.
>=20
>=20
> 1967 MGB =20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 10:36 AM David Breneman via Mgs =
> in new pumps, and one of the things they're offering now is 92 octane =
(US)
> free gas was out of order!  So I put in three gallons of regular 92=20
> driving like this for about 20 miles to see if it would clear up and =
it
>=20
> The fact that it started about 1/4 mile after leaving the station =
seems
> like pretty good evidence.  Any other possibilities?  Is there any =
option
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> Thanks! =20
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class=3D"">How do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do is =
prevent the points from burning. Oh, you are saying the points are =
burnt.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; text-align: =
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min-height: 16px;" class=3D"">Max Heim</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; =
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class=3D"">On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i erbs via Mgs &lt;<a =
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class=3D"">could also be a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not =
causational. How old is the condenser? Even if newish, there are lots of =
crappy new Lucas parts out there. I had three bad ones with similar =
results, until replaced with&nbsp; a Distributor Doctor HD condenser.<br =
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Mom-without-Pop store put</div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">in new pumps, =
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it</span></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><span class=3D""><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">never did.&nbsp; I =
can't imagine it's anything but the fuel, but I've =
never</span></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><span =
class=3D""><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">encountered "bad =
fuel" situation like this in 44 years of =
driving.</span></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><span =
class=3D""><span class=3D"gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st"><br =
class=3D""></span></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><span =
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class=3D""><span class=3D"gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">other =
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bad condenser caused my car to buck, cough and run rough on acceleration.
Not sure about how, but Ii will confirm it ran like crap when they failed.
replacing with an old stock Lucas unit, got me home until I replaced it
with the HD one from the Distributor Dr. Do a google search. It's a real
thing.
Ira Erbs
Portland,OR
      _______                                  _______
     (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)
         (_________________________)
          BT7 engine and disk brakes

1967 MGB  

On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 11:19 AM Max Heim via Mgs <[email-masked]>
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> How do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do is prevent the
> On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i erbs via Mgs <[email-masked]> wrote:
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<div dir=3D"ltr">bad condenser caused my car to buck, cough and run rough o=
n acceleration. Not sure about how, but Ii will confirm it ran like crap wh=
en they failed. replacing with an old stock Lucas unit, got me home until I=
 replaced it with the HD one from the Distributor Dr. Do a google search. I=
t&#39;s a real thing.<br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail=
_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr=
"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Ira Erbs<div=
>Portland,OR</div><div><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 _______ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0_______</span><br style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot=
;,serif"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)</span><br style=3D"fon=
t-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif"><span style=3D"font-family:&quo=
t;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 (_________=
________________)</span></div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 BT7 e=
ngine and disk brakes</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>1967 MGB =C2=
=A0<img src=3D"http://www.britishcarspecialists.com/assets/images/MG_emblem=
.jpg" alt=3D"MG"></div><div><br></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,5=
1);font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-s=
ize:14px">A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andr=
etti</span><br></div><div>Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled=
 words</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></d=
iv></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><=
div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 11:19 AM Max H=
eim via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a=
>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px=
 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><di=
v style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word;">How do bad condensers cause rough ru=
nning? All they do is prevent the points from burning. Oh, you are saying t=
he points are burnt.<div><br><div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-=
indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div st=
yle=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:=
0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div style=3D"=
margin:0px;font-size:13px">--</div><div style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px;=
min-height:16px">Max Heim</div><div style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px">&#3=
9;66 MGB</div></div></div>
</div><div><br class=3D"gmail-m_2992169213864845755webkit-block-placeholder=
"></div><div><br></div>

<br><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i erb=
s via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">mgs@a=
utox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D"gmail-m_2992169213864845755A=
pple-interchange-newline"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:Verdan=
a;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:nor=
mal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:n=
one;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">could also be a bad a condenser. C=
ould coincidental, not causational. How old is the condenser? Even if newis=
h, there are lots of crappy new Lucas parts out there. I had three bad ones=
 with similar results, until replaced with=C2=A0 a Distributor Doctor HD co=
ndenser.<br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail-m_2992169213=
864845755gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div =
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r"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Ira Erbs<div>Portland,OR</div><di=
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"Even if newish"

The newer the condenser the more likely they are to fail, if it's been =
in years it's probably fine, I've never had one fail in 50-odd years.

The condenser doesn't just reduce points burning, that's just a =
side-effect.  It's primary purpose is to boost the spark at the plug by =
setting up a high frequency oscillation with the coil to generate =
multiple sparks at the correct time.  Without it plug firing is greatly =
reduced and retarded.  Have a look in the back of the Leyland Workshop =
manual, I assume Bentley is the same.

Having just had the pumps changed anything could have happened, take the =
lids off the float chambers and see if there is any muck in there.  =
Before messing with anything else run the float chambers out (fuel pump =
electrics disconnected) and jury-rig a container with some fresh fuel. =20

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  could also be a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not causational. =
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>The condenser doesn't just reduce points burning, =
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plug by=20
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Not true, Max.  When the points open, the condenser discharges through 
the coil in order to perpetuate the spark.  Without the condenser the 
engine may not even start.  Try it some time. :-)

CR

On 7/22/2019 1:18 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:
>> On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i erbs via Mgs <[email-masked] 
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>> could also be a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not causational. 
>> How old is the condenser? Even if newish, there are lots of crappy 
>> new Lucas parts out there. I had three bad ones with similar results, 
>> until replaced with  a Distributor Doctor HD condenser.
>> Ira Erbs
>> Portland,OR
>>   _______    _______
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    Not true, Max.  When the points open, the condenser discharges
    through the coil in order to perpetuate the spark.  Without the
    condenser the engine may not even start.  Try it some time. <span
      class="moz-smiley-s1"><span>:-)</span></span><br>
    <br>
    CR<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/22/2019 1:18 PM, Max Heim via Mgs
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      How do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do is prevent
      the points from burning. Oh, you are saying the points are burnt.
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                a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not causational.
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                of crappy new Lucas parts out there. I had three bad
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                                              <div dir="ltr" class="">Ira
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                        <div dir="ltr" class="">I've never encountered a
                          "bad fuel" problem before, so I'm looking</div>
                        <div dir="ltr" class="">for some confirmation
                          (or not).  The local Mom-without-Pop store put</div>
                        <div dir="ltr" class="">in new pumps, and one of
                          the things they're offering now is 92 octane
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                        <div dir="ltr" class="">alcohol-free gas.  I had
                          about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB high</div>
                        <div dir="ltr" class="">compression engine) so I
                          went to fill up.  The pump with the alcohol-</div>
                        <div dir="ltr" class="">free gas was out of
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                          92<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
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                        <div dir="ltr" class="">octane, and about 1/4
                          mile from the station started experiencing a
                          lot</div>
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                          when accelerating in 3rd and 4th.  I continued</div>
                        <div dir="ltr" class=""><span class=""><span
                              class="gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">driving
                              like this for about 20 miles to see if it
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                              class="gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">never
                              did.  I can't imagine it's anything but
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                              "bad fuel" situation like this in 44 years
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                        <div dir="ltr" class=""><span class=""><span
                              class="gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">The
                              fact that it started about 1/4 mile after
                              leaving the station seems</span></span></div>
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                              class="gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">like
                              pretty good evidence.  Any other
                              possibilities?  Is there any option</span></span></div>
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                              than to just burn through this half tank
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A failed condenser stopped my MGB on the highway once.

David

How do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do is prevent the points
from burning. Oh, you are saying the points are burnt. 

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D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></a></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
4.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On 7/22/2019 1:18 PM, Max Heim via Mgs =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal>How =
do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do is prevent the points =
from burning. Oh, you are saying the points are burnt. =
<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>--<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Max =
Heim<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>'66 =
MGB<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i erbs via Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>could also =
be a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not causational. How old is =
the condenser? Even if newish, there are lots of crappy new Lucas parts =
out there. I had three bad ones with similar results, until replaced =
with&nbsp; a Distributor Doctor HD condenser.<br =
clear=3Dall><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div=
><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Ira Erbs =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Portland,OR<=
o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt'>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; _______ &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;_______<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; (______ =
\____1959 BN4____/ _______)<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; =
(_________________________)</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; BT7 engine and disk =
brakes<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>1967 MGB =
&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333=
333'>A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario =
Andretti</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Please =
excuse random auto corrects and misspelled =
words<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></di=
v></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>On Mon, Jul =
22, 2019 at 10:36 AM David Breneman via Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>I've never =
encountered a &quot;bad fuel&quot; problem before, so I'm =
looking<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>for some =
confirmation (or not).&nbsp; The local Mom-without-Pop store =
put<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>in new =
pumps, and one of the things they're offering now is 92 octane =
(US)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>alcohol-fre=
e gas.&nbsp; I had about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB =
high<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>compression=
 engine) so I went to fill up.&nbsp; The pump with the =
alcohol-<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>free gas =
was out of order!&nbsp; So I put in three gallons of regular 92<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><d=
iv><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>octane, =
and about 1/4 mile from the station started experiencing a =
lot<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>of =
misfiring, mostly when accelerating in 3rd and 4th.&nbsp; I =
continued<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
class=3Dgmail-m9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>driving =
like this for about 20 miles to see if it would clear up and =
it</span></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
class=3Dgmail-m9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>never =
did.&nbsp; I can't imagine it's anything but the fuel, but I've =
never</span></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
class=3Dgmail-m9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>encountered=
 &quot;bad fuel&quot; situation like this in 44 years of =
driving.</span></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
class=3Dgmail-m9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>The fact =
that it started about 1/4 mile after leaving the station =
seems</span></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
class=3Dgmail-m9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>like =
pretty good evidence.&nbsp; Any other possibilities?&nbsp; Is there any =
option</span></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
class=3Dgmail-m9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>other than =
to just burn through this half tank of gas?</span></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
class=3Dgmail-m9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Thanks!&nbs=
p;</span></span><span class=3Dapple-converted-space><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</spa=
n></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>David =
Breneman<span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div=
></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div></bl=
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 10:44:47 -0500

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I carry a condenser, points & rotor in my emergency kit.  If I ever get 
around to rebuilding the stock fuel pump that I recently replaced, I'll 
carry it also.

CR

On 7/23/2019 10:03 AM, David F. Darby via Mgs wrote:
>         On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i erbs via Mgs
>
>         could also be a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not
>         causational. How old is the condenser? Even if newish, there
>         are lots of crappy new Lucas parts out there. I had three bad
>         ones with similar results, until replaced with  a Distributor
>         Doctor HD condenser.
>
>         Ira Erbs
>
>         Portland,OR
>
>               _______  _______
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    I carry a condenser, points &amp; rotor in my emergency kit.  If I
    ever get around to rebuilding the stock fuel pump that I recently
    replaced, I'll carry it also.  <br>
    <br>
    CR<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/23/2019 10:03 AM, David F. Darby
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">A
            failed condenser stopped my MGB on the highway once.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">On 7/22/2019 1:18 PM, Max Heim via Mgs
              wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
            <p class="MsoNormal">How do bad condensers cause rough
              running? All they do is prevent the points from burning.
              Oh, you are saying the points are burnt. <o:p></o:p></p>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
              <div>
                <div>
                  <div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                          style="font-size:10.0pt">--<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                          style="font-size:10.0pt">Max Heim<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                    </div>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                          style="font-size:10.0pt">'66 MGB<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                </div>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i
                      erbs via Mgs &lt;<a
                        href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                      wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                  </div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                  <div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">could
                          also be a bad a condenser. Could coincidental,
                          not causational. How old is the condenser?
                          Even if newish, there are lots of crappy new
                          Lucas parts out there. I had three bad ones
                          with similar results, until replaced with  a
                          Distributor Doctor HD condenser.<br
                            clear="all">
                          <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      <div>
                        <div>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <div>
                                <div>
                                  <div>
                                    <div>
                                      <div>
                                        <div>
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                                            <div>
                                              <div>
                                                <div>
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                                                    <div>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Ira
                                                          Erbs <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Portland,OR<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt">      _______                                
                                                           _______<br>
                                                               (______
                                                          \____1959
                                                          BN4____/
                                                          _______)<br>
                                                                  
                                                          (_________________________)</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> 
                                                                  BT7
                                                          engine and
                                                          disk brakes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
                                                      </div>
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                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">1967
                                                          MGB  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#333333">A
                                                          racing car is
                                                          an animal with
                                                          a thousand
                                                          adjustments.
                                                          Mario Andretti</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Please
                                                          excuse random
                                                          auto corrects
                                                          and misspelled
                                                          words<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                    </div>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
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                      </div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
                    </div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                    <div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">On
                            Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 10:36 AM David Breneman
                            via Mgs &lt;<a
                              href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                              moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                            wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid
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                        6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
                        <div>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">I've
                                    never encountered a "bad fuel"
                                    problem before, so I'm looking<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">for
                                    some confirmation (or not).  The
                                    local Mom-without-Pop store put<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">in
                                    new pumps, and one of the things
                                    they're offering now is 92 octane
                                    (US)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">alcohol-free
                                    gas.  I had about a quarter tank in
                                    my MGA (w/MGB high<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">compression
                                    engine) so I went to fill up.  The
                                    pump with the alcohol-<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">free
                                    gas was out of order!  So I put in
                                    three gallons of regular 92<span
                                      class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">octane,
                                    and about 1/4 mile from the station
                                    started experiencing a lot<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">of
                                    misfiring, mostly when accelerating
                                    in 3rd and 4th.  I continued<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    class="gmail-m9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">driving
                                      like this for about 20 miles to
                                      see if it would clear up and it</span></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    class="gmail-m9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">never
                                      did.  I can't imagine it's
                                      anything but the fuel, but I've
                                      never</span></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    class="gmail-m9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">encountered
                                      "bad fuel" situation like this in
                                      44 years of driving.</span></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    class="gmail-m9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">The
                                      fact that it started about 1/4
                                      mile after leaving the station
                                      seems</span></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    class="gmail-m9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">like
                                      pretty good evidence.  Any other
                                      possibilities?  Is there any
                                      option</span></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    class="gmail-m9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">other
                                      than to just burn through this
                                      half tank of gas?</span></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    class="gmail-m9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Thanks! </span></span><span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> </span></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">David
                                    Breneman<span
                                      class="apple-converted-space">  </span><a
href="mailto:[email-masked]" target="_blank"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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I understand how it could make the car inoperable. I don=E2=80=99t see =
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> On Jul 23, 2019, at 6:53 AM, Charley Robinson <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
>=20
> Not true, Max.  When the points open, the condenser discharges through =
the coil in order to perpetuate the spark.  Without the condenser the =
engine may not even start.  Try it some time. :-)
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>> Max Heim
>> '66 MGB
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>> On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i erbs via Mgs <[email-masked] =
>>>=20
>>> could also be a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not =
causational. How old is the condenser? Even if newish, there are lots of =
crappy new Lucas parts out there. I had three bad ones with similar =
results, until replaced with  a Distributor Doctor HD condenser.
>>> A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario =
Andretti
>>> in new pumps, and one of the things they're offering now is 92 =
octane (US)
>>> compression engine) so I went to fill up.  The pump with the =
alcohol-
>>> free gas was out of order!  So I put in three gallons of regular 92=20=

>>> octane, and about 1/4 mile from the station started experiencing a =
lot
it
>>> never did.  I can't imagine it's anything but the fuel, but I've =
never
seems
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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">I understand how it could make the car inoperable. I don=E2=80=99=
t see an explanation for an intermediate state.<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">--</div><div class=3D"">Max Heim</div><div class=3D""><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a></div><div=
 class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">

</div>
<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Jul 23, 2019, at 6:53 AM, Charley Robinson &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D"">
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    <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html;
      charset=3Dwindows-1252" class=3D"">
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  <div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" class=3D"">
    Not true, Max.&nbsp; When the points open, the condenser discharges
    through the coil in order to perpetuate the spark.&nbsp; Without the
    condenser the engine may not even start.&nbsp; Try it some time. =
<span class=3D"moz-smiley-s1"><span class=3D"">:-)</span></span><br =
class=3D"">
    <br class=3D"">
    CR<br class=3D"">
    <br class=3D"">
    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 7/22/2019 1:18 PM, Max Heim via =
Mgs
      wrote:<br class=3D"">
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite" =
cite=3D"mid:[email-masked]" class=3D"">
      <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html;
        charset=3Dwindows-1252" class=3D"">
      How do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do is prevent
      the points from burning. Oh, you are saying the points are burnt.
      <div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
        <div class=3D"">
          <div style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: =
break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space;" class=3D"">
            <div style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: =
break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space;" class=3D"">
              <div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px;" =
class=3D"">--</div>
              <div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; min-height:
                16px;" class=3D"">Max Heim</div>
              <div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px;" class=3D"">'66
                MGB</div>
            </div>
          </div>
        </div>
        <div class=3D""><br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder">
        </div>
        <div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
        </div>
        <br class=3D"">
        <div class=3D"">
          <blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">
            <div class=3D"">On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i erbs via Mgs
              &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"" =
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
            <br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">
            <div class=3D"">
              <div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size:
                12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal;
                font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align:
                start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
                white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;
                -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D"">could also =
be
                a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not causational.
                How old is the condenser? Even if newish, there are lots
                of crappy new Lucas parts out there. I had three bad
                ones with similar results, until replaced with&nbsp; a
                Distributor Doctor HD condenser.<br class=3D"" =
clear=3D"all">
                <div class=3D"">
                  <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" =
data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature">
                    <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">
                      <div class=3D"">
                        <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">
                          <div class=3D"">
                            <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">
                              <div class=3D"">
                                <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">
                                  <div class=3D"">
                                    <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">
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                                          <div class=3D"">
                                            <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">
                                              <div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"">Ira
                                                Erbs
                                                <div =
class=3D"">Portland,OR</div>
                                                <div class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family:
                                                    'Times New Roman',
                                                    serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp;
                                                    &nbsp; _______ =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
                                                    &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
                                                    &nbsp; =
&nbsp;_______</span><br style=3D"font-family:
                                                    'Times New Roman',
                                                    serif;" class=3D"">
                                                  <span =
style=3D"font-family:
                                                    'Times New Roman',
                                                    serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;
                                                    &nbsp;&nbsp; (______ =
\____1959
                                                    BN4____/ =
_______)</span><br style=3D"font-family:
                                                    'Times New Roman',
                                                    serif;" class=3D"">
                                                  <span =
style=3D"font-family:
                                                    'Times New Roman',
                                                    serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp;
                                                    &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;
                                                    =
(_________________________)</span></div>
                                                <div class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
                                                  BT7 engine and disk
                                                  brakes</div>
                                                <div class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">
                                                </div>
                                                <div class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">
                                                </div>
                                                <div class=3D"">1967 MGB =
&nbsp;<img =
src=3D"http://www.britishcarspecialists.com/assets/images/MG_emblem.jpg" =
alt=3D"MG" class=3D"" moz-do-not-send=3D"true"></div>
                                                <div class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">
                                                </div>
                                                <div class=3D""><span =
style=3D"color:
                                                    rgb(51, 51, 51);
                                                    font-family:
                                                    'Helvetica Neue',
                                                    Helvetica, Arial,
                                                    sans-serif;
                                                    font-size: 14px;" =
class=3D"">A racing
                                                    car is an animal
                                                    with a thousand
                                                    adjustments. Mario
                                                    Andretti</span><br =
class=3D"">
                                                </div>
                                                <div class=3D"">Please
                                                  excuse random auto
                                                  corrects and
                                                  misspelled words</div>
                                              </div>
                                            </div>
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                                        </div>
                                      </div>
                                    </div>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
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                            </div>
                          </div>
                        </div>
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                </div>
                <br class=3D"">
              </div>
              <br style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px;
                font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal;
                font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align:
                start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
                white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;
                -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D"">
              <div class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"font-family: Verdana;
                font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps:
                normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal;
                text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:
                none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;
                -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">
                <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jul 22, =
2019
                  at 10:36 AM David Breneman via Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"" =
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                  wrote:<br class=3D"">
                </div>
                <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px =
0px
                  0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style:
                  solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);
                  padding-left: 1ex;">
                  <div class=3D"">
                    <div =
class=3D"gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpec15941cyahoo-style-wrap" =
style=3D"font-family: verdana, helvetica,
                      sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">
                      <div class=3D"">
                        <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">I've never =
encountered a
                          "bad fuel" problem before, so I'm =
looking</div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">for some =
confirmation
                          (or not).&nbsp; The local Mom-without-Pop =
store put</div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">in new pumps, and =
one of
                          the things they're offering now is 92 octane
                          (US)<br class=3D"">
                        </div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">alcohol-free =
gas.&nbsp; I had
                          about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB =
high</div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">compression engine) =
so I
                          went to fill up.&nbsp; The pump with the =
alcohol-</div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">free gas was out of
                          order!&nbsp; So I put in three gallons of =
regular
                          92<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D"">
                        </div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">octane, and about =
1/4
                          mile from the station started experiencing a
                          lot</div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">of misfiring, mostly
                          when accelerating in 3rd and 4th.&nbsp; I =
continued</div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><span class=3D""><span=
 class=3D"gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">driving
                              like this for about 20 miles to see if it
                              would clear up and it</span></span></div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><span class=3D""><span=
 class=3D"gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">never
                              did.&nbsp; I can't imagine it's anything =
but
                              the fuel, but I've =
never</span></span></div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><span class=3D""><span=
 class=3D"gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">encountered
                              "bad fuel" situation like this in 44 years
                              of driving.</span></span></div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><span class=3D""><span=
 class=3D"gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st"><br class=3D"">
                            </span></span></div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><span class=3D""><span=
 class=3D"gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">The
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What do you mean by "intermediate state"?

CR

On 7/23/2019 11:03 AM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:
> I understand how it could make the car inoperable. I don’t see an 
> explanation for an intermediate state.
>
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> Max Heim
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>> On Jul 23, 2019, at 6:53 AM, Charley Robinson <[email-masked] 
>>
>> condenser the engine may not even start. Try it some time. :-)
>>
>> CR
>>
>>>> causational. How old is the condenser? Even if newish, there are 
>>>> lots of crappy new Lucas parts out there. I had three bad ones with 
>>>> similar results, until replaced with  a Distributor Doctor HD 
>>>> condenser.
>>>> Ira Erbs
>>>> Portland,OR
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    What do you mean by "intermediate state"?<br>
    <br>
    CR<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/23/2019 11:03 AM, Max Heim via Mgs
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      I understand how it could make the car inoperable. I don’t see an
      explanation for an intermediate state.
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              <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class=""> Not true,
                Max.  When the points open, the condenser discharges
                through the coil in order to perpetuate the spark. 
                Without the condenser the engine may not even start. 
                Try it some time. <span class="moz-smiley-s1"><span
                    class="">:-)</span></span><br class="">
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                  How do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do
                  is prevent the points from burning. Oh, you are saying
                  the points are burnt.
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                            class="">could also be a bad a condenser.
                            Could coincidental, not causational. How old
                            is the condenser? Even if newish, there are
                            lots of crappy new Lucas parts out there. I
                            had three bad ones with similar results,
                            until replaced with  a Distributor Doctor HD
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                                                             _______</span><br
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                                                          an animal with
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                                                          adjustments.
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                                    <div dir="ltr" class="">I've never
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                                      confirmation (or not).  The local
                                      Mom-without-Pop store put</div>
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                                      pumps, and one of the things
                                      they're offering now is 92 octane
                                      (US)<br class="">
                                    </div>
                                    <div dir="ltr" class="">alcohol-free
                                      gas.  I had about a quarter tank
                                      in my MGA (w/MGB high</div>
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                                      engine) so I went to fill up.  The
                                      pump with the alcohol-</div>
                                    <div dir="ltr" class="">free gas was
                                      out of order!  So I put in three
                                      gallons of regular 92<span
                                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
                                        class="">
                                    </div>
                                    <div dir="ltr" class="">octane, and
                                      about 1/4 mile from the station
                                      started experiencing a lot</div>
                                    <div dir="ltr" class="">of
                                      misfiring, mostly when
                                      accelerating in 3rd and 4th.  I
                                      continued</div>
                                    <div dir="ltr" class=""><span
                                        class=""><span
                                          class="gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">driving
                                          like this for about 20 miles
                                          to see if it would clear up
                                          and it</span></span></div>
                                    <div dir="ltr" class=""><span
                                        class=""><span
                                          class="gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">never
                                          did.  I can't imagine it's
                                          anything but the fuel, but
                                          I've never</span></span></div>
                                    <div dir="ltr" class=""><span
                                        class=""><span
                                          class="gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">encountered
                                          "bad fuel" situation like this
                                          in 44 years of driving.</span></span></div>
                                    <div dir="ltr" class=""><span
                                        class=""><span
                                          class="gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st"><br
                                            class="">
                                        </span></span></div>
                                    <div dir="ltr" class=""><span
                                        class=""><span
                                          class="gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">The
                                          fact that it started about 1/4
                                          mile after leaving the station
                                          seems</span></span></div>
                                    <div dir="ltr" class=""><span
                                        class=""><span
                                          class="gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">like
                                          pretty good evidence.  Any
                                          other possibilities?  Is there
                                          any option</span></span></div>
                                    <div dir="ltr" class=""><span
                                        class=""><span
                                          class="gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">other
                                          than to just burn through this
                                          half tank of gas?</span></span></div>
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                                            class="">
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 09:45:25 -0700

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Rough running, which was the stated symptom, as opposed to =E2=80=9Cnot =
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--
Max Heim
'66 MGB

> On Jul 23, 2019, at 9:15 AM, Charley Robinson <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
>> I understand how it could make the car inoperable. I don=E2=80=99t =
see an explanation for an intermediate state.
>>=20
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>> Max Heim
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>> On Jul 23, 2019, at 6:53 AM, Charley Robinson <[email-masked] =
>>>=20
>>> Not true, Max.  When the points open, the condenser discharges =
through the coil in order to perpetuate the spark.  Without the =
condenser the engine may not even start.  Try it some time. :-)
>>>> How do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do is prevent =
Andretti
>>>>> for some confirmation (or not).  The local Mom-without-Pop store =
put
octane (US)
>>>>> alcohol-free gas.  I had about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB =
high
alcohol-
>>>>> free gas was out of order!  So I put in three gallons of regular =
92=20
lot
>>>>> of misfiring, mostly when accelerating in 3rd and 4th.  I =
continued
>>>>> driving like this for about 20 miles to see if it would clear up =
and it
never
seems
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class=3D"">Rough running, which was the stated symptom, as opposed to =
=E2=80=9Cnot running=E2=80=9D.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div =

<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Jul 23, 2019, at 9:15 AM, Charley Robinson &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D"">
 =20
    <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3DUTF-8" class=3D"">
 =20
  <div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" class=3D"">
    What do you mean by "intermediate state"?<br class=3D"">
    <br class=3D"">
    CR<br class=3D"">
    <br class=3D"">
    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 7/23/2019 11:03 AM, Max Heim via =
Mgs
      wrote:<br class=3D"">
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite" =
cite=3D"mid:[email-masked]" class=3D"">
      <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3DUTF-8" class=3D"">
      I understand how it could make the car inoperable. I don=E2=80=99t =
see an
      explanation for an intermediate state.
      <div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
        <div class=3D"">
          <div class=3D"">--</div>
          <div class=3D"">Max Heim</div>
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moz-do-not-send=3D"true">[email-masked]</a></div>
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          <br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">
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        <br class=3D"">
        <div class=3D"">
          <blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">
            <div class=3D"">On Jul 23, 2019, at 6:53 AM, Charley =
Robinson
              &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"" =
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
            <br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">
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              <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html;
                charset=3DUTF-8" class=3D"">
              <div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" class=3D""> Not =
true,
                Max.&nbsp; When the points open, the condenser =
discharges
                through the coil in order to perpetuate the spark.&nbsp;
                Without the condenser the engine may not even =
start.&nbsp;
                Try it some time. <span class=3D"moz-smiley-s1"><span =
class=3D"">:-)</span></span><br class=3D"">
                <br class=3D"">
                CR<br class=3D"">
                <br class=3D"">
                <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 7/22/2019 1:18 PM, Max
                  Heim via Mgs wrote:<br class=3D"">
                </div>
                <blockquote type=3D"cite" =
cite=3D"mid:[email-masked]" class=3D"">
                  <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html;
                    charset=3DUTF-8" class=3D"">
                  How do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do
                  is prevent the points from burning. Oh, you are saying
                  the points are burnt.
                  <div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
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                      <div style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; text-align:
                        start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
                        white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;
                        -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap:
                        break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space;
                        -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">
                        <div style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align:
                          start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
                          white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;
                          -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap:
                          break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space;
                          -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">
                          <div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px;" =
class=3D"">--</div>
                          <div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px;
                            min-height: 16px;" class=3D"">Max Heim</div>
                          <div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px;" =
class=3D"">'66 MGB</div>
                        </div>
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                        <div class=3D"">On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i
                          erbs via Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"" =
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                          wrote:</div>
                        <br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">
                        <div class=3D"">
                          <div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family: =
Verdana;
                            font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                            font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight:
                            normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align:
                            start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:
                            none; white-space: normal; word-spacing:
                            0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
class=3D"">could also be a bad a condenser.
                            Could coincidental, not causational. How old
                            is the condenser? Even if newish, there are
                            lots of crappy new Lucas parts out there. I
                            had three bad ones with similar results,
                            until replaced with&nbsp; a Distributor =
Doctor HD
                            condenser.<br class=3D"" clear=3D"all">
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src=3D"http://www.britishcarspecialists.com/assets/images/MG_emblem.jpg" =
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                              Jul 22, 2019 at 10:36 AM David Breneman
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                                    <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">I've =
never
                                      encountered a "bad fuel" problem
                                      before, so I'm looking</div>
                                    <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">for some
                                      confirmation (or not).&nbsp; The =
local
                                      Mom-without-Pop store put</div>
                                    <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">in new
                                      pumps, and one of the things
                                      they're offering now is 92 octane
                                      (US)<br class=3D"">
                                    </div>
                                    <div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"">alcohol-free
                                      gas.&nbsp; I had about a quarter =
tank
                                      in my MGA (w/MGB high</div>
                                    <div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"">compression
                                      engine) so I went to fill =
up.&nbsp; The
                                      pump with the alcohol-</div>
                                    <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">free gas =
was
                                      out of order!&nbsp; So I put in =
three
                                      gallons of regular 92<span =
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                                    </div>
                                    <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">octane, =
and
                                      about 1/4 mile from the station
                                      started experiencing a lot</div>
                                    <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">of
                                      misfiring, mostly when
                                      accelerating in 3rd and 4th.&nbsp; =
I
                                      continued</div>
                                    <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><span =
class=3D""><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">driving
                                          like this for about 20 miles
                                          to see if it would clear up
                                          and it</span></span></div>
                                    <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><span =
class=3D""><span class=3D"gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">never
                                          did.&nbsp; I can't imagine =
it's
                                          anything but the fuel, but
                                          I've never</span></span></div>
                                    <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><span =
class=3D""><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">encountered
                                          "bad fuel" situation like this
                                          in 44 years of =
driving.</span></span></div>
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class=3D""><span class=3D"gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st"><br =
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class=3D""><span class=3D"gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">The
                                          fact that it started about 1/4
                                          mile after leaving the station
                                          seems</span></span></div>
                                    <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><span =
class=3D""><span class=3D"gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">like
                                          pretty good evidence.&nbsp; =
Any
                                          other possibilities?&nbsp; Is =
there
                                          any option</span></span></div>
                                    <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><span =
class=3D""><span class=3D"gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">other
                                          than to just burn through this
                                          half tank of =
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My car ran rough, backfired and coughed under load, but did ok at low
speeds. Replaced the condenser , ran fine for a few hundred miles, then
failed again.  Both were new Lucas units. Put in an old stock one, car ran
fine until I replace with HD condenser.

On Tue, Jul 23, 2019, 9:45 AM Max Heim via Mgs <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Rough running, which was the stated symptom, as opposed to =E2=80=9Cnot r=
unning=E2=80=9D.
>
> --
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB
>
> On Jul 23, 2019, at 9:15 AM, Charley Robinson <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
> I understand how it could make the car inoperable. I don=E2=80=99t see an
> On Jul 23, 2019, at 6:53 AM, Charley Robinson <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
> Not true, Max.  When the points open, the condenser discharges through th=
e
> coil in order to perpetuate the spark.  Without the condenser the engine
> may not even start.  Try it some time. :-)
>
> CR
>
> parts out there. I had three bad ones with similar results, until replace=
d
>> in new pumps, and one of the things they're offering now is 92 octane (U=
S)
>> like pretty good evidence.  Any other possibilities?  Is there any optio=
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<div dir=3D"auto">My car ran rough, backfired and coughed under load, but d=
id ok at low speeds. Replaced the condenser , ran fine for a few hundred mi=
les, then failed again.=C2=A0 Both were new Lucas units. Put in an old stoc=
k one, car ran fine until I replace with HD condenser.=C2=A0</div><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 23,=
 2019, 9:45 AM Max Heim via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">m=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><d=
iv style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">Rough running, which was the stated sympt=
om, as opposed to =E2=80=9Cnot running=E2=80=9D.<div><br><div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-=
indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wra=
p:break-word"><div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);letter-spacing:normal;text-ali=
gn:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacin=
g:0px;word-wrap:break-word"><div style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px">--</di=
v><div style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px;min-height:16px">Max Heim</div><d=
iv style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px">&#39;66 MGB</div></div></div>
</div>

<br><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Jul 23, 2019, at 9:15 AM, Charle=
y Robinson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D"m_512557=
0201452341329Apple-interchange-newline"><div>
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    What do you mean by &quot;intermediate state&quot;?<br>
    <br>
    CR<br>
    <br>
    <div class=3D"m_5125570201452341329moz-cite-prefix">On 7/23/2019 11:03 =
AM, Max Heim via Mgs
      wrote:<br>
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    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
     =20
      I understand how it could make the car inoperable. I don=E2=80=99t se=
e an
      explanation for an intermediate state.
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            <div>On Jul 23, 2019, at 6:53 AM, Charley Robinson
              &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" re=
l=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
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             =20
              <div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"> Not true,
                Max.=C2=A0 When the points open, the condenser discharges
                through the coil in order to perpetuate the spark.=C2=A0
                Without the condenser the engine may not even start.=C2=A0
                Try it some time. <span class=3D"m_5125570201452341329moz-s=
miley-s1"><span>:-)</span></span><br>
                <br>
                CR<br>
                <br>
                <div class=3D"m_5125570201452341329moz-cite-prefix">On 7/22=
/2019 1:18 PM, Max
                  Heim via Mgs wrote:<br>
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                <blockquote type=3D"cite">
                 =20
                  How do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do
                  is prevent the points from burning. Oh, you are saying
                  the points are burnt.
                  <div><br>
                    <div>
                      <div style=3D"letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;=
text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;wor=
d-wrap:break-word">
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t;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;w=
ord-wrap:break-word">
                          <div style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px">--</div>
                          <div style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px;min-heigh=
t:16px">Max Heim</div>
                          <div style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px">&#39;66 =
MGB</div>
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                        <div>On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i
                          erbs via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
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etter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;w=
hite-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">could also be a bad a condenser.
                            Could coincidental, not causational. How old
                            is the condenser? Even if newish, there are
                            lots of crappy new Lucas parts out there. I
                            had three bad ones with similar results,
                            until replaced with=C2=A0 a Distributor Doctor =
HD
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                              Jul 22, 2019 at 10:36 AM David Breneman
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                                    <div dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;ve never
                                      encountered a &quot;bad fuel&quot; pr=
oblem
                                      before, so I&#39;m looking</div>
                                    <div dir=3D"ltr">for some
                                      confirmation (or not).=C2=A0 The loca=
l
                                      Mom-without-Pop store put</div>
                                    <div dir=3D"ltr">in new
                                      pumps, and one of the things
                                      they&#39;re offering now is 92 octane
                                      (US)<br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div dir=3D"ltr">alcohol-free
                                      gas.=C2=A0 I had about a quarter tank
                                      in my MGA (w/MGB high</div>
                                    <div dir=3D"ltr">compression
                                      engine) so I went to fill up.=C2=A0 T=
he
                                      pump with the alcohol-</div>
                                    <div dir=3D"ltr">free gas was
                                      out of order!=C2=A0 So I put in three
                                      gallons of regular 92<span class=3D"m=
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                                    <div dir=3D"ltr">octane, and
                                      about 1/4 mile from the station
                                      started experiencing a lot</div>
                                    <div dir=3D"ltr">of
                                      misfiring, mostly when
                                      accelerating in 3rd and 4th.=C2=A0 I
                                      continued</div>
                                    <div dir=3D"ltr"><span><span class=3D"m=
_5125570201452341329gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">driving
                                          like this for about 20 miles
                                          to see if it would clear up
                                          and it</span></span></div>
                                    <div dir=3D"ltr"><span><span class=3D"m=
_5125570201452341329gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">never
                                          did.=C2=A0 I can&#39;t imagine it=
&#39;s
                                          anything but the fuel, but
                                          I&#39;ve never</span></span></div=
                                    <div dir=3D"ltr"><span><span class=3D"m=
_5125570201452341329gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">encountered
                                          &quot;bad fuel&quot; situation li=
ke this
                                          in 44 years of driving.</span></s=
pan></div>
                                    <div dir=3D"ltr"><span><span class=3D"m=
_5125570201452341329gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st"><br>
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                                    <div dir=3D"ltr"><span><span class=3D"m=
_5125570201452341329gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">The
                                          fact that it started about 1/4
                                          mile after leaving the station
                                          seems</span></span></div>
                                    <div dir=3D"ltr"><span><span class=3D"m=
_5125570201452341329gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">like
                                          pretty good evidence.=C2=A0 Any
                                          other possibilities?=C2=A0 Is the=
re
                                          any option</span></span></div>
                                    <div dir=3D"ltr"><span><span class=3D"m=
_5125570201452341329gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">other
                                          than to just burn through this
                                          half tank of gas?</span></span></=
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When this happened I had a complete kit of ignition parts with me EXCEPT a
condenser.

DFD

From: Charley Robinson [mailto:[email-masked]] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 10:45 AM
To: David F. Darby; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Bad Fuel Question

CR

David

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Max Heim

'66 MGB

Ira Erbs 

Portland,OR

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lang=3DEN-US link=3Dblue vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>When this happened I had a complete kit of ignition parts with me =
EXCEPT a condenser.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>DFD<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
name=3D"_MailEndCompose"><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></a></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
4.0pt'><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowt=
ext'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowt=
ext'> Charley Robinson [mailto:[email-masked]] <br><b>Sent:</b> =
Tuesday, July 23, 2019 10:45 AM<br><b>To:</b> David F. Darby; =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mgs] Bad Fuel =
Question<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I carry a condenser, points &amp; rotor =
in my emergency kit.&nbsp; If I ever get around to rebuilding the stock =
fuel pump that I recently replaced, I'll carry it also.&nbsp; =
<br><br>CR<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On 7/23/2019 10:03 =
AM, David F. Darby via Mgs wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>A failed condenser stopped my MGB on the highway =
once.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>David</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
4.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On 7/22/2019 1:18 PM, Max Heim via Mgs =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal>How =
do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do is prevent the points =
from burning. Oh, you are saying the points are burnt. =
<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>--</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Max =
Heim</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>'66 =
MGB</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i erbs via Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>could also =
be a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not causational. How old is =
the condenser? Even if newish, there are lots of crappy new Lucas parts =
out there. I had three bad ones with similar results, until replaced =
with&nbsp; a Distributor Doctor HD condenser.<br =
clear=3Dall></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div=
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Ira Erbs =
</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Portland,OR<=
/span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt'>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; _______ &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;_______<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; (______ =
\____1959 BN4____/ _______)<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; =
(_________________________)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; BT7 engine and disk =
brakes</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</span=
><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</span=
><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>1967 MGB =
&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</span=
><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333=
333'>A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario =
Andretti</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Please =
excuse random auto corrects and misspelled =
words</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></di=
v></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</span=
><o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>On Mon, Jul =
22, 2019 at 10:36 AM David Breneman via Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>I've never =
encountered a &quot;bad fuel&quot; problem before, so I'm =
looking</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>for some =
confirmation (or not).&nbsp; The local Mom-without-Pop store =
put</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>in new =
pumps, and one of the things they're offering now is 92 octane =
(US)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>alcohol-fre=
e gas.&nbsp; I had about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB =
high</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>compression=
 engine) so I went to fill up.&nbsp; The pump with the =
alcohol-</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>free gas =
was out of order!&nbsp; So I put in three gallons of regular 92<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><d=
iv><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>octane, =
and about 1/4 mile from the station started experiencing a =
lot</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>of =
misfiring, mostly when accelerating in 3rd and 4th.&nbsp; I =
continued</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
class=3Dgmail-m9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>driving =
like this for about 20 miles to see if it would clear up and =
it</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
class=3Dgmail-m9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>never =
did.&nbsp; I can't imagine it's anything but the fuel, but I've =
never</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
class=3Dgmail-m9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>encountered=
 &quot;bad fuel&quot; situation like this in 44 years of =
driving.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
class=3Dgmail-m9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>The fact =
that it started about 1/4 mile after leaving the station =
seems</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
class=3Dgmail-m9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>like =
pretty good evidence.&nbsp; Any other possibilities?&nbsp; Is there any =
option</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
class=3Dgmail-m9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>other than =
to just burn through this half tank of =
gas?</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
class=3Dgmail-m9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Thanks!&nbs=
p;</span></span><span class=3Dapple-converted-space><span =
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Condencers can fail in two ways, open and closed. If they fail closed
(shorted), you are not going anywhere, but if they fail open (infinite
capacitance), much of the energy in the spark can be lost through arcing
across the points, leading to rough running.

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<div dir=3D"auto">Condencers can fail in two ways, open and closed. If they=
 fail closed (shorted), you are not going anywhere, but if they fail open (=
infinite capacitance), much of the energy in the spark can be lost through =
arcing across the points, leading to rough running.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></=
div><div dir=3D"auto">Simon</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 23, 2019, 9:03 AM Max Heim via=
 Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; w=
rote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex=
;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break=
-word">I understand how it could make the car inoperable. I don=E2=80=99t s=
ee an explanation for an intermediate state.<div><br><div>
<div>--</div><div>Max Heim</div><div><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" ta=
rget=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a></div><div><br></div=
><br class=3D"m_-8879707449479399274Apple-interchange-newline">

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<br><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Jul 23, 2019, at 6:53 AM, Charle=
y Robinson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D"m_-88797=
07449479399274Apple-interchange-newline"><div>
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  <div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">
    Not true, Max.=C2=A0 When the points open, the condenser discharges
    through the coil in order to perpetuate the spark.=C2=A0 Without the
    condenser the engine may not even start.=C2=A0 Try it some time. <span =
class=3D"m_-8879707449479399274moz-smiley-s1"><span>:-)</span></span><br>
    <br>
    CR<br>
    <br>
    <div class=3D"m_-8879707449479399274moz-cite-prefix">On 7/22/2019 1:18 =
PM, Max Heim via Mgs
      wrote:<br>
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      How do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do is prevent
      the points from burning. Oh, you are saying the points are burnt.
      <div><br>
        <div>
          <div style=3D"letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:=
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              <div style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px;min-height:16px">Max =
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              <div style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px">&#39;66
                MGB</div>
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            <div>On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i erbs via Mgs
              &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" r=
el=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
            <br class=3D"m_-8879707449479399274Apple-interchange-newline">
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              <div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:Verdana;font-size:12px;=
font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacin=
g:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:n=
ormal;word-spacing:0px">could also be
                a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not causational.
                How old is the condenser? Even if newish, there are lots
                of crappy new Lucas parts out there. I had three bad
                ones with similar results, until replaced with=C2=A0 a
                Distributor Doctor HD condenser.<br clear=3D"all">
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                                              <div dir=3D"ltr">Ira
                                                Erbs
                                                <div>Portland,OR</div>
                                                <div><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0
                                                    =C2=A0 _______ =C2=A0 =
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___1959
                                                    BN4____/ _______)</span=
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y:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0
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                                                    (______________________=
___)</span></div>
                                                <div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0
                                                  BT7 engine and disk
                                                  brakes</div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>1967 MGB =C2=A0<img sr=
c=3D"http://www.britishcarspecialists.com/assets/images/MG_emblem.jpg" alt=
=3D"MG"></div>
                                                <div><br>
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                                                <div><span style=3D"color:r=
gb(51,51,51);font-family:&#39;Helvetica Neue&#39;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-seri=
f;font-size:14px">A racing
                                                    car is an animal
                                                    with a thousand
                                                    adjustments. Mario
                                                    Andretti</span><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>Please
                                                  excuse random auto
                                                  corrects and
                                                  misspelled words</div>
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                <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jul 22, 2019
                  at 10:36 AM David Breneman via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]=
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                      <div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;ve never encountered a
                          &quot;bad fuel&quot; problem before, so I&#39;m l=
ooking</div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr">for some confirmation
                          (or not).=C2=A0 The local Mom-without-Pop store p=
ut</div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr">in new pumps, and one of
                          the things they&#39;re offering now is 92 octane
                          (US)<br>
                        </div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr">alcohol-free gas.=C2=A0 I had
                          about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB high</div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr">compression engine) so I
                          went to fill up.=C2=A0 The pump with the alcohol-=
</div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr">free gas was out of
                          order!=C2=A0 So I put in three gallons of regular
                          92<span class=3D"m_-8879707449479399274Apple-conv=
erted-space">=C2=A0</span><br>
                        </div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr">octane, and about 1/4
                          mile from the station started experiencing a
                          lot</div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr">of misfiring, mostly
                          when accelerating in 3rd and 4th.=C2=A0 I continu=
ed</div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr"><span><span class=3D"m_-8879707449=
479399274gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">driving
                              like this for about 20 miles to see if it
                              would clear up and it</span></span></div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr"><span><span class=3D"m_-8879707449=
479399274gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">never
                              did.=C2=A0 I can&#39;t imagine it&#39;s anyth=
ing but
                              the fuel, but I&#39;ve never</span></span></d=
iv>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr"><span><span class=3D"m_-8879707449=
479399274gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">encountered
                              &quot;bad fuel&quot; situation like this in 4=
4 years
                              of driving.</span></span></div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr"><span><span class=3D"m_-8879707449=
479399274gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st"><br>
                            </span></span></div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr"><span><span class=3D"m_-8879707449=
479399274gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">The
                              fact that it started about 1/4 mile after
                              leaving the station seems</span></span></div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr"><span><span class=3D"m_-8879707449=
479399274gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">like
                              pretty good evidence.=C2=A0 Any other
                              possibilities?=C2=A0 Is there any option</spa=
n></span></div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr"><span><span class=3D"m_-8879707449=
479399274gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">other
                              than to just burn through this half tank
                              of gas?</span></span></div>
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479399274gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st"><br>
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Thanks, Simon. That=E2=80=99s good to know.

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Condencers can fail in two ways, open and closed. If they fail closed =
(shorted), you are not going anywhere, but if they fail open (infinite =
capacitance), much of the energy in the spark can be lost through arcing =
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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Thanks, Simon. That=E2=80=99s good to know.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>DFD<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
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1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Mgs [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Simon =
Matthews via Mgs<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 23, 2019 1:39 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Max Heim<br><b>Cc:</b> MGS<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mgs] =
Bad Fuel Question<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Condencers can fail in two ways, open and closed. If =
they fail closed (shorted), you are not going anywhere, but if they fail =
open (infinite capacitance), much of the energy in the spark can be lost =
through arcing across the points, leading to rough =
running.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Simon<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Tue, Jul 23, 2019, 9:03 AM Max Heim via Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
understand how it could make the car inoperable. I don=E2=80=99t see an =
explanation for an intermediate state.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>--<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Max =
Heim<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
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class=3DMsoNormal>On Jul 23, 2019, at 6:53 AM, Charley Robinson &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
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style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Not true, Max.&nbsp; When the points =
open, the condenser discharges through the coil in order to perpetuate =
the spark.&nbsp; Without the condenser the engine may not even =
start.&nbsp; Try it some time. <span =
class=3Dm-8879707449479399274moz-smiley-s1>:-)</span><br><br>CR<o:p></o:p=
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p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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n style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>driving =
class=3Dm-8879707449479399274gmail-m9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st><spa=
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n =
class=3Dm-8879707449479399274gmail-m9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st><spa=
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Quick correction, I should have written zero capacitance, not infinite.

On Tue, Jul 23, 2019, 1:18 PM David F. Darby via Mgs <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> *From:* Mgs [mailto:[email-masked]] *On Behalf Of *Simon
> Matthews via Mgs
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 23, 2019 1:39 PM
> *To:* Max Heim
> *Cc:* MGS
> *Subject:* Re: [Mgs] Bad Fuel Question
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019, 9:03 AM Max Heim via Mgs <[email-masked]> wrote=
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> in new pumps, and one of the things they're offering now is 92 octane (US=
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<div dir=3D"auto">Quick correction, I should have written zero capacitance,=
 not infinite.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div></div=
><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tu=
e, Jul 23, 2019, 1:18 PM David F. Darby via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@a=
utox.team.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div class=
=3D"m_3523070692059051659WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;=
;color:#1f497d">Thanks, Simon. That=E2=80=99s good to know.<u></u><u></u></=
span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family=
:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u>=
</u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">DFD<u></u>=
<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a name=3D"m_3523070692059051659__=
MailEndCompose" rel=3D"noreferrer"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0=
<u></u></span></a></p><div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5p=
t;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:soli=
d #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tah=
oma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Mgs [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:mgs-bounce=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]=
am.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Simon Matthews via Mgs<br><b>Sent:</b> Tues=
day, July 23, 2019 1:39 PM<br><b>To:</b> Max Heim<br><b>Cc:</b> MGS<br><b>S=
ubject:</b> Re: [Mgs] Bad Fuel Question<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
>Condencers can fail in two ways, open and closed. If they fail closed (sho=
rted), you are not going anywhere, but if they fail open (infinite capacita=
nce), much of the energy in the spark can be lost through arcing across the=
 points, leading to rough running.<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Simon<u></u>=
<u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div>=
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Tue, Jul 23, 2019, 9:03 AM Max Heim via Mgs =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferr=
er">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote st=
yle=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0p=
t;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I underst=
and how it could make the car inoperable. I don=E2=80=99t see an explanatio=
n for an intermediate state.<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">--<u></u><u></u></p=
></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Max Heim<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" r=
el=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div>=
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">On Jul 23, 2019, at 6:53 AM, Charley Robinson &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">Charley38@twc.=
com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0p=
t">Not true, Max.=C2=A0 When the points open, the condenser discharges thro=
ugh the coil in order to perpetuate the spark.=C2=A0 Without the condenser =
the engine may not even start.=C2=A0 Try it some time. <span class=3D"m_352=
3070692059051659m-8879707449479399274moz-smiley-s1">:-)</span><br><br>CR<u>=
</u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 7/22/2019 1:18 PM, Max Heim v=
ia Mgs wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;=
margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">How do bad condensers cause rou=
gh running? All they do is prevent the points from burning. Oh, you are say=
ing the points are burnt. <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u>=
</u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt">--<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">Max Heim<u></u><u></u></span></p><=
/div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">&#39;66 M=
GB<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0=
<u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><block=
quote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal">On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i erbs via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mg=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</=
a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u=
></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">could also be a bad a=
 condenser. Could coincidental, not causational. How old is the condenser? =
Even if newish, there are lots of crappy new Lucas parts out there. I had t=
hree bad ones with similar results, until replaced with=C2=A0 a Distributor=
 Doctor HD condenser.<br clear=3D"all"><u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div><=
div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&q=
uot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Ira Erbs <u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&qu=
ot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Portland,OR<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 _______ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0_______<br>=C2=A0 =C2=
=A0=C2=A0 (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0=C2=A0 (_________________________)</span><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;=
font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font=
-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 BT7 engine and disk brakes<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ve=
rdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><d=
iv><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quo=
t;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">1967 MGB =C2=A0<span style=3D"borde=
r:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in"><img border=3D"0" width=3D"100" heigh=
t=3D"100" id=3D"m_3523070692059051659Picture_x0020_1" src=3D"cid:~WRD000.jp=
g" alt=3D"Description: Image removed by sender. MG"></span><u></u><u></u></=
span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;f=
ont-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5p=
t;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#333333">A=
 racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti</span>=
<span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-s=
erif&quot;"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif=
&quot;">Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words<u></u><u></=
u></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></=
div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<=
u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;f=
ont-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">On Mon, Jul 22, 2019=
 at 10:36 AM David Breneman via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
t" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u=
></u><u></u></span></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:s=
olid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right=
:0in"><div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">I&#39;ve neve=
r encountered a &quot;bad fuel&quot; problem before, so I&#39;m looking<u><=
/u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-=
size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">for som=
e confirmation (or not).=C2=A0 The local Mom-without-Pop store put<u></u><u=
></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">in new pumps=
, and one of the things they&#39;re offering now is 92 octane (US)<u></u><u=
></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">alcohol-free=
 gas.=C2=A0 I had about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB high<u></u><u></u><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt=
;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">compression engine=
) so I went to fill up.=C2=A0 The pump with the alcohol-<u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fon=
t-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">free gas was out of or=
der!=C2=A0 So I put in three gallons of regular 92<span class=3D"m_35230706=
92059051659m-8879707449479399274apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span><u></u>=
<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">octane, an=
d about 1/4 mile from the station started experiencing a lot<u></u><u></u><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt=
;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">of misfiring, most=
ly when accelerating in 3rd and 4th.=C2=A0 I continued<u></u><u></u></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span class=3D"m_3523070692059051659m=
-8879707449479399274gmail-m9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st"><span style=3D=
"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">d=
riving like this for about 20 miles to see if it would clear up and it</spa=
n></span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><span class=3D"m_3523070692059051659m-8879707449479399274gmail-m90752=
50362783882819ydpd1457413st"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">never did.=C2=A0 I can&#39;t imag=
ine it&#39;s anything but the fuel, but I&#39;ve never</span></span><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span clas=
s=3D"m_3523070692059051659m-8879707449479399274gmail-m9075250362783882819yd=
pd1457413st"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot=
;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">encountered &quot;bad fuel&quot; situation like t=
his in 44 years of driving.</span></span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><u></u><u></u></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></sp=
an></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span class=3D"m_35230706920590516=
59m-8879707449479399274gmail-m9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;=
">The fact that it started about 1/4 mile after leaving the station seems</=
span></span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;=
,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><span class=3D"m_3523070692059051659m-8879707449479399274gmail-m90=
75250362783882819ydpd1457413st"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family=
:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">like pretty good evidence.=C2=
=A0 Any other possibilities?=C2=A0 Is there any option</span></span><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span clas=
s=3D"m_3523070692059051659m-8879707449479399274gmail-m9075250362783882819yd=
pd1457413st"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot=
;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">other than to just burn through this half tank of=
 gas?</span></span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdan=
a&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&q=
uot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span class=3D"m_3523070692059051659m-887970744947939927=
4gmail-m9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;f=
ont-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Thanks!=C2=A0</span>=
</span><span class=3D"m_3523070692059051659m-8879707449479399274apple-conve=
rted-space"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;=
,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=C2=A0</span></span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0p=
t;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;f=
ont-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0p=
t;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">David Breneman<sp=
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Not quite right.  With the points closed the condenser is discharged as =
it is connected across the points.  When they open it charges up, as the =
coil is discharging.  The current/voltage characteristic of a condenser =
(aka capacitor) is 90 degrees out of phase with an inductor i.e. the =
coil.  This makes it a tuned circuit as in a radio, and an oscillation =
is set up, which increases the HT amplitude and its duration.   That's =
why an engine will always run badly without a condenser, and may not =
even run at all, depending on several other factors.

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OK and you left out that it's the back EMF from the coil, which is much 
more than 12 volts, that charges the condenser and so on as you describe 
in a series resonant circuit.   My bad, I tried to keep it simple.

Anyway you look at it a leaky (partial short) or open condenser degrades 
the spark and results in rough running.  A fully shorted condenser means 
there will be no spark at all since that's the same as the points not 
opening.

CR

On 7/24/2019 2:34 AM, PaulHunt73 via Mgs wrote:
> Not quite right.  With the points closed the condenser is discharged 
> as it is connected across the points. When they open it charges up, as 
> the coil is discharging.  The current/voltage characteristic of a 
> condenser (aka capacitor) is 90 degrees out of phase with an inductor 
> i.e. the coil.  This makes it a tuned circuit as in a radio, and an 
> oscillation is set up, which increases the HT amplitude and its 
> duration.   That's why an engine will always run badly without a 
> condenser, and may not even run at all, depending on several other 
> factors.
> PaulH.
>
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    OK and you left out that it's the back EMF from the coil, which is
    much more than 12 volts, that charges the condenser and so on as you
    describe in a series resonant circuit.   My bad, I tried to keep it
    simple.  <br>
    <br>
    Anyway you look at it a leaky (partial short) or open condenser
    degrades the spark and results in rough running.  A fully shorted
    condenser means there will be no spark at all since that's the same
    as the points not opening.<br>
    <br>
    CR<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/24/2019 2:34 AM, PaulHunt73 via
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      <div><font size="2">Not quite right.  With the points closed the
          condenser is discharged as it is connected across the points. 
          When they open it charges up, as the coil is discharging.  The
          current/voltage characteristic of a condenser (aka
          capacitor) is 90 degrees out of phase with an inductor i.e.
          the coil.  This makes it a tuned circuit as in a radio, and an
          oscillation is set up, which increases the HT amplitude and
          its duration.   That's why an engine will always run badly
          without a condenser, and may not even run at all, depending on
          several other factors.</font></div>
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        Not true, Max.  When the points open, the condenser discharges
        through the coil in order to perpetuate the spark.  Without the
        condenser the engine may not even start.  Try it some time. <span
          class="moz-smiley-s1"><span>:-)</span></span><br>
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I regularly wear a t-shirt with the text Lucas =E2=80=93 King of Darkness=
=E2=80=A6 

Cheers, Hans

71 BGT NRG WW =E2=80=93 kept in the garage as temps are at 37+ C overhere n=
ow=E2=80=A6

It never was so hot in the Netherlands.

Van: Mgs [mailto:[email-masked]] Namens i erbs via Mgs
Verzonden: dinsdag 23 juli 2019 19:15
Aan: Max Heim
CC: mglist
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Bad Fuel Question

My car ran rough, backfired and coughed under load, but did ok at low speed=
s. Replaced the condenser , ran fine for a few hundred miles, then failed a=
gain.  Both were new Lucas units. Put in an old stock one, car ran fine unt=
il I replace with HD condenser. 

Rough running, which was the stated symptom, as opposed to =E2=80=9Cnot run=
ning=E2=80=9D.

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Max Heim

'66 MGB

CR

I understand how it could make the car inoperable. I don=E2=80=99t see an e=
xplanation for an intermediate state. 

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Not true, Max.  When the points open, the condenser discharges through the =
coil in order to perpetuate the spark.  Without the condenser the engine ma=
y not even start.  Try it some time. :-)

CR

How do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do is prevent the point=
s from burning. Oh, you are saying the points are burnt. 

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Max Heim

'66 MGB

could also be a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not causational. How o=
ld is the condenser? Even if newish, there are lots of crappy new Lucas par=
ts out there. I had three bad ones with similar results, until replaced wit=
h  a Distributor Doctor HD condenser.

Ira Erbs 

Portland,OR

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=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US=
 style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D=
'>I regularly wear a t-shirt with the text Lucas =E2=80=93 King of Darkness=
=E2=80=A6 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US sty=
le=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o=
:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'=
font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Cheers, =
Hans<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'=
font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>71 BGT N=
RG WW =E2=80=93 kept in the garage as temps are at 37+ C overhere now=E2=80=
=A6<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'f=
ont-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It never =
was so hot in the Netherlands.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><s=
pan lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-seri=
f";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span la=
ng=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";col=
or:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Van:</span></b><spa=
n style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Mgs [mailto=
:[email-masked]] <b>Namens </b>i erbs via Mgs<br><b>Verzonden:<=
/b> dinsdag 23 juli 2019 19:15<br><b>Aan:</b> Max Heim<br><b>CC:</b> mglist=
<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Bad Fuel Question<o:p></o:p></span></p><p c=
lass=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>My car ran =
rough, backfired and coughed under load, but did ok at low speeds. Replaced=
 the condenser , ran fine for a few hundred miles, then failed again.&nbsp;=
 Both were new Lucas units. Put in an old stock one, car ran fine until I r=
eplace with HD condenser.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o=
:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Tue, Jul 23, 2019, 9:4=
5 AM Max Heim via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
eam.net</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style=3D'border:none=
;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8p=
t;margin-right:0cm'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Rough running, which was the =
stated symptom, as opposed to =E2=80=9Cnot running=E2=80=9D.<o:p></o:p></p>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>--<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;colo=
r:black'>Max Heim<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><spa=
n style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>'66 MGB<o:p></o:p></span></p></div=
></div></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><blockquo=
te style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal=
>On Jul 23, 2019, at 9:15 AM, Charley Robinson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Charle=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p><=
/p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMso=
Normal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>What do you mean by &quot;intermediat=
e state&quot;?<br><br>CR<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On 7/23/20=
19 11:03 AM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style=
=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal>I understand=
 how it could make the car inoperable. I don=E2=80=99t see an explanation f=
or an intermediate state. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>--<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Max Heim<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><a=
 href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><o:=
p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p c=
lass=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></p><div><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Jul 23, 2019, at 6:53 AM, Charley Robinson &lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</=
a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p=
><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Not true, Ma=
x.&nbsp; When the points open, the condenser discharges through the coil in=
 order to perpetuate the spark.&nbsp; Without the condenser the engine may =
not even start.&nbsp; Try it some time. <span class=3Dm5125570201452341329m=
oz-smiley-s1>:-)</span><br><br>CR<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>O=
n 7/22/2019 1:18 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquot=
e style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal>How d=
o bad condensers cause rough running? All they do is prevent the points fro=
m burning. Oh, you are saying the points are burnt. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNo=
rmal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>--<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Max Heim<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>'66=
 MGB<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal=
><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>=
</div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><blockquote style=3D'm=
argin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Jul 22, 2=
019, at 11:10 AM, i erbs via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span=
 style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>could also be=
 a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not causational. How old is the con=
denser? Even if newish, there are lots of crappy new Lucas parts out there.=
 I had three bad ones with similar results, until replaced with&nbsp; a Dis=
tributor Doctor HD condenser.<br clear=3Dall><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><di=
v><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","san=
s-serif"'>Ira Erbs <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span st=
yle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Portland,OR<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:9=
=2E0pt'>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; _______ &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nb=
sp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &=
nbsp;_______<br></span><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana"=
,"sans-serif"'>&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)</spa=
n><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt'><br></span><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt=
;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; (___=
______________________)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNorma=
l><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;=
 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; BT7 engine and disk brakes<o:p></o:p></span></=
p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-famil=
y:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-ser=
if"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span styl=
e=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>1967 MGB &nbsp;<im=
g border=3D0 id=3D"_x0000_i1025" src=3D"http://www.britishcarspecialists.co=
m/assets/images/MG_emblem.jpg" alt=3DMG><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sa=
ns-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><spa=
n style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>A racing car=
 is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-fam=
ily:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Please excuse random auto corrects and misspell=
ed words<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></d=
iv></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p>=
&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div=
><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verd=
ana","sans-serif"'>On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 10:36 AM David Breneman via Mgs =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked].=
net</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style=3D'border:n=
one;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4=
=2E8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span sty=
le=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>I've never encou=
ntered a &quot;bad fuel&quot; problem before, so I'm looking<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font=
-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>for some confirmation (or not).&nbsp; The l=
ocal Mom-without-Pop store put<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DM=
soNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"=
'>in new pumps, and one of the things they're offering now is 92 octane (US=
)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-=
size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>alcohol-free gas.&nbsp; I h=
ad about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB high<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><d=
iv><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdan=
a","sans-serif"'>compression engine) so I went to fill up.&nbsp; The pump w=
ith the alcohol-<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span=
 style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>free gas was=
 out of order!&nbsp; So I put in three gallons of regular 92<span class=3Dm=
5125570201452341329apple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></span></p=
></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-famil=
y:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>octane, and about 1/4 mile from the station start=
ed experiencing a lot<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
<span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>of misf=
iring, mostly when accelerating in 3rd and 4th.&nbsp; I continued<o:p></o:p=
></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dm5125570201452341=
329gmail-m9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;=
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>driving like this for about 20 miles to=
 see if it would clear up and it</span></span><span style=3D'font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dm5125570201452341329gmail-m9075250362783882=
819ydpd1457413st><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","san=
s-serif"'>never did.&nbsp; I can't imagine it's anything but the fuel, but =
I've never</span></span><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdan=
a","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><spa=
n class=3Dm5125570201452341329gmail-m9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st><span=
 style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>encountered =
&quot;bad fuel&quot; situation like this in 44 years of driving.</span></sp=
an><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p=
></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></di=
v><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dm5125570201452341329gmail-m907525=
0362783882819ydpd1457413st><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif"'>The fact that it started about 1/4 mile after leaving t=
he station seems</span></span><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"=
Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNorma=
l><span class=3Dm5125570201452341329gmail-m9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st=
><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>like p=
retty good evidence.&nbsp; Any other possibilities?&nbsp; Is there any opti=
on</span></span><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans=
-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=
=3Dm5125570201452341329gmail-m9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>other than to just=
 burn through this half tank of gas?</span></span><span style=3D'font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana"=
,"sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
<span class=3Dm5125570201452341329gmail-m9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st><=
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