Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive

From: Richard Lindsay via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 09:48:19 -0700

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How much do you drive your MG Frank. I don't drive any of my old cars
enough to worry about it. I use Castrol GTX 20W50 in my cars.

On Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 8:50 AM FrankK via Mgs <[email-masked]> wrote:

> There was a great deal of  discussion here regarding the use of different
> oil to compensate for the lack of ZDDP in oil these days.  I didn=E2=80=
=99t see
> anyone include a discussion of the practice of adding ZDDP to oil that is
> lacking in it.  There are several sources where it is available and I hav=
e
> availed myself of it and added it to my  Castrol 20-50 when I change the
> oil in my 80 MGBLE.
> Is there a problem in doing this in lieu of using Valvoline Racing Oil
> say?
> Frank Krajewski
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<div dir=3D"auto">How much do you drive your MG Frank. I don&#39;t drive an=
y of my old cars enough to worry=C2=A0about it. I use Castrol GTX 20W50 in =
my cars.</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmai=
l_attr">On Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 8:50 AM FrankK via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:m=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;=
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<div>There was a great deal of=C2=A0 discussion here regarding the use of=
=20
different oil to compensate for the lack of ZDDP in oil these days.=C2=A0 I=
=20
didn=E2=80=99t see anyone include a discussion of the practice of adding ZD=
DP to oil=20
that is lacking in it.=C2=A0 There are several sources where it is availabl=
e and=20
I have availed myself of it and added it to my=C2=A0 Castrol 20-50 when I c=
hange=20
the oil in my 80 MGBLE. </div>
<div>Is there a problem in doing this in lieu of using Valvoline Racing Oil=
 say?=20
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<div>Frank Krajewski</div></div></div></div>
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From: Charley Robinson via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 17:26:18 -0500

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Why raise your cost by adding an additive when there are oils that 
already have the zinc?  I use VR1; all the local auto parts stores have it.

CR

On 7/5/2019 10:50 AM, FrankK via Mgs wrote:
> There was a great deal of  discussion here regarding the use of 
> different oil to compensate for the lack of ZDDP in oil these days.  I 
> didn’t see anyone include a discussion of the practice of adding ZDDP 
> to oil that is lacking in it. There are several sources where it is 
> available and I have availed myself of it and added it to my  Castrol 
> 20-50 when I change the oil in my 80 MGBLE.
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    Why raise your cost by adding an additive when there are oils that
    already have the zinc?  I use VR1; all the local auto parts stores
    have it.<br>
    <br>
    CR<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/5/2019 10:50 AM, FrankK via Mgs
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          <div>There was a great deal of  discussion here regarding the
            use of different oil to compensate for the lack of ZDDP in
            oil these days.  I didn’t see anyone include a discussion of
            the practice of adding ZDDP to oil that is lacking in it. 
            There are several sources where it is available and I have
            availed myself of it and added it to my  Castrol 20-50 when
            I change the oil in my 80 MGBLE. </div>
          <div>Is there a problem in doing this in lieu of using
            Valvoline Racing Oil say? </div>
          <div>Frank Krajewski</div>
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From: Max Heim via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 15:41:02 -0700

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I agree with Charley=E2=80=A6 I did that for a while but it was =
inconvenient, and once I found a proper oil it was pointless.

Consider, if you have to top off your oil by adding a quart between =
changes (as is common), are you also adding the exact proportional =
amount of your additive? It=E2=80=99s just impractical to deal with on a =
regular basis. There is nothing magical about Castrol 20W50.

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'66 MGB

> On Jul 5, 2019, at 3:26 PM, Charley Robinson via Mgs =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Why raise your cost by adding an additive when there are oils that =
already have the zinc?  I use VR1; all the local auto parts stores have =
it.
>> There was a great deal of  discussion here regarding the use of =
different oil to compensate for the lack of ZDDP in oil these days.  I =
didn=E2=80=99t see anyone include a discussion of the practice of adding =
ZDDP to oil that is lacking in it.  There are several sources where it =
is available and I have availed myself of it and added it to my  Castrol =
20-50 when I change the oil in my 80 MGBLE.
>> Is there a problem in doing this in lieu of using Valvoline Racing =
Oil say?
>> Frank Krajewski

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class=3D""><div class=3D"">I agree with Charley=E2=80=A6 I did that for =
a while but it was inconvenient, and once I found a proper oil it was =
pointless.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Consider, if you have to top off your oil by adding a quart =
between changes (as is common), are you also adding the exact =
proportional amount of your additive? It=E2=80=99s just impractical to =
deal with on a regular basis. There is nothing magical about Castrol =
20W50.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; text-align: =
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class=3D"">--</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; =
min-height: 16px;" class=3D"">Max Heim</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; =
font-size: 13px;" class=3D"">'66 MGB</div></div></div>
</div>

<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Jul 5, 2019, at 3:26 PM, Charley Robinson via Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D"">
 =20
    <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3DUTF-8" class=3D"">
 =20
  <div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" class=3D"">
    Why raise your cost by adding an additive when there are oils that
    already have the zinc?&nbsp; I use VR1; all the local auto parts =
stores
    have it.<br class=3D"">
    <br class=3D"">
    CR<br class=3D"">
    <br class=3D"">
    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 7/5/2019 10:50 AM, FrankK via Mgs
      wrote:<br class=3D"">
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite" =
cite=3D"mid:CB90691B2D724F519195CE7A463EED35@FrankPC" class=3D"">
      <meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3DUTF-8" class=3D"">
      <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">
        <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=3D"">
          <div class=3D"">There was a great deal of&nbsp; discussion =
here regarding the
            use of different oil to compensate for the lack of ZDDP in
            oil these days.&nbsp; I didn=E2=80=99t see anyone include a =
discussion of
            the practice of adding ZDDP to oil that is lacking in =
it.&nbsp;
            There are several sources where it is available and I have
            availed myself of it and added it to my&nbsp; Castrol 20-50 =
when
            I change the oil in my 80 MGBLE. </div>
          <div class=3D"">Is there a problem in doing this in lieu of =
using
            Valvoline Racing Oil say? </div>
          <div class=3D"">Frank =
Krajewski</div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></b=
ody></html>=

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From: Max Heim via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 18:02:48 -0700

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Right, but there are other brands. I use Mobil1 15W50. Others use Royal =
Purple, Joe Gibbs, Kendall or AMSoil brands.

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Max Heim
[email-masked]

> On Jul 5, 2019, at 5:49 PM, FrankK <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Max: I    did get some Valvoline Racing Oil (not for street use!) but =
after some of the negative comments on here regarding its use I am =
questioning its use now.
> =20
> From: Max Heim via Mgs <>
> Sent: Friday, July 5, 2019 6:41 PM
> To: MG List <>
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive
> =20
Oil say?
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class=3D"">Right, but there are other brands. I use Mobil1 15W50. Others =
use Royal Purple, Joe Gibbs, Kendall or AMSoil brands.<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">--</div><div class=3D"">Max Heim</div><div class=3D""><a =
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<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Jul 5, 2019, at 5:49 PM, FrankK &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D"">
<meta content=3D"text/html charset=3Dutf-8" http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" =
class=3D"">
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-webkit-line-break: after-white-space" dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">
<div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">Max: I&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; did get some Valvoline Racing =
Oil (not for street=20
use!) but after some of the negative comments on here regarding its use =
I am=20
questioning its use now. </div>
<div style=3D"font-size: small; text-decoration: none; font-family: =
Calibri; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; display: inline;" =
class=3D"">
<div style=3D"FONT: 10pt tahoma" class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5" class=3D"">
<div style=3D"font-color: black" class=3D""><b class=3D"">From:</b> <a =
title=3D"[email-masked]" class=3D"">Max Heim=20
via Mgs</a> </div>
<div class=3D""><b class=3D"">Sent:</b> Friday, July 5, 2019 6:41 =
PM</div>
<div class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b> <a title=3D"[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">MG List</a> </div>
<div class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:</b> Re: [Mgs] Oil =
Additive</div></div></div>
<div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div></div>
<div style=3D"font-size: small; text-decoration: none; font-family: =
Calibri; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; display: inline;" =
class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">I agree with Charley=E2=80=A6 I did that for a while but =
it was inconvenient, and=20
once I found a proper oil it was pointless.</div>
<div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"">Consider, if you have to top off your oil by adding a =
quart between changes=20
(as is common), are you also adding the exact proportional amount of =
your=20
additive? It=E2=80=99s just impractical to deal with on a regular basis. =
There is=20
nothing magical about Castrol 20W50.</div>
<div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"">
<div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; white-space: normal; word-spacing: =
0px; text-transform: none; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; =
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-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D"">
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0px; text-transform: none; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; =
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-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D"">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 13px; MARGIN: 0px" class=3D"">--</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 13px; MIN-HEIGHT: 16px; MARGIN: 0px" =
class=3D"">Max Heim</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 13px; MARGIN: 0px" class=3D"">'66 =
MGB</div></div></div></div>
<div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"">
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">
  <div class=3D"">On Jul 5, 2019, at 3:26 PM, Charley Robinson via Mgs=20=

  &lt;<a class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
  <div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div>
  <div class=3D"">
  <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000" class=3D"">Why raise your =
cost by adding an=20
  additive when there are oils that already have the zinc?&nbsp; I use =
VR1; all=20
  the local auto parts stores have it.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">CR<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">
  <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 7/5/2019 10:50 AM, FrankK via Mgs=20
  wrote:<br class=3D""></div>
  <blockquote cite=3D"mid:CB90691B2D724F519195CE7A463EED35@FrankPC" =
type=3D"cite" class=3D"">
    <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">
    <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri" class=3D"">
    <div class=3D"">There was a great deal of&nbsp; discussion here =
regarding the use of=20
    different oil to compensate for the lack of ZDDP in oil these =
days.&nbsp; I=20
    didn=E2=80=99t see anyone include a discussion of the practice of =
adding ZDDP to oil=20
    that is lacking in it.&nbsp; There are several sources where it is =
available=20
    and I have availed myself of it and added it to my&nbsp; Castrol =
20-50 when=20
    I change the oil in my 80 MGBLE. </div>
    <div class=3D"">Is there a problem in doing this in lieu of using =
Valvoline Racing Oil=20
    say? </div>
    <div class=3D"">Frank=20
=
Krajewski</div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div><di=
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From: Max Heim via Mgs <[email-masked]>
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Only certain weights. You have to read the labels, or usually the spec =
sheets.

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> On Jul 5, 2019, at 6:15 PM, FrankK <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> I assume all those brands include the correct ZDDP proportions./
> =20
> From: Max Heim <>
> Sent: Friday, July 5, 2019 9:02 PM
> To: FrankK <> ; MG List <>
> Right, but there are other brands. I use Mobil1 15W50. Others use =
Royal Purple, Joe Gibbs, Kendall or AMSoil brands.
> =20
> =20
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> Max Heim
> [email-masked] <>
> =20
> =20
> =20
>> On Jul 5, 2019, at 5:49 PM, FrankK <[email-masked] <>> wrote:
>> =20
Oil say?
>> [email-masked] <>

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the spec sheets.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">
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class=3D"">On Jul 5, 2019, at 6:15 PM, FrankK &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
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<div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">I assume all those brands include the correct ZDDP =
proportions./ </div>
<div style=3D"font-size: small; text-decoration: none; font-family: =
Calibri; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; display: inline;" =
class=3D"">
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<div style=3D"BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5" class=3D"">
<div style=3D"font-color: black" class=3D""><b class=3D"">From:</b> <a =
title=3D"[email-masked]" class=3D"">Max=20
Heim</a> </div>
<div class=3D""><b class=3D"">Sent:</b> Friday, July 5, 2019 9:02 =
PM</div>
<div class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b> <a title=3D"[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">FrankK</a> ; <a title=3D"[email-masked]" class=3D"">MG =
List</a> </div>
<div class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:</b> Re: [Mgs] Oil =
Additive</div></div></div>
<div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div></div>
<div style=3D"font-size: small; text-decoration: none; font-family: =
Calibri; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; display: inline;" =
class=3D"">Right,=20
but there are other brands. I use Mobil1 15W50. Others use Royal Purple, =
Joe=20
Gibbs, Kendall or AMSoil brands.=20
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<div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div>
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<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">
  <div class=3D"">On Jul 5, 2019, at 5:49 PM, FrankK &lt;<a =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=20
  wrote:</div>
  <div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div>
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-webkit-line-break: after-white-space" dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">
  <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">
  <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri" class=3D"">
  <div class=3D"">Max: I&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; did get some Valvoline Racing =
Oil (not for=20
  street use!) but after some of the negative comments on here regarding =
its use=20
  I am questioning its use now. </div>
  <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
calibri; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline" =
class=3D"">
  <div style=3D"FONT: 10pt tahoma" class=3D"">
  <div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div>
  <div style=3D"BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5" class=3D"">
  <div style=3D"font-color: black" class=3D""><b class=3D"">From:</b> <a =
title=3D"[email-masked]" class=3D"">Max=20
  Heim via Mgs</a> </div>
  <div class=3D""><b class=3D"">Sent:</b> Friday, July 5, 2019 6:41 =
PM</div>
  <div class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b> <a title=3D"[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">MG List</a> </div>
  <div class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:</b> Re: [Mgs] Oil =
Additive</div></div></div>
  <div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div></div>
  <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
calibri; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline" =
class=3D"">
  <div class=3D"">I agree with Charley=E2=80=A6 I did that for a while =
but it was inconvenient, and=20
  once I found a proper oil it was pointless.</div>
  <div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div>
  <div class=3D"">Consider, if you have to top off your oil by adding a =
quart between=20
  changes (as is common), are you also adding the exact proportional =
amount of=20
  your additive? It=E2=80=99s just impractical to deal with on a regular =
basis. There is=20
  nothing magical about Castrol 20W50.</div>
  <div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div>
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  <div style=3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word; WHITE-SPACE: normal; =
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  <div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div>
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  <blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">
    <div class=3D"">On Jul 5, 2019, at 3:26 PM, Charley Robinson via Mgs=20=

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    <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000" class=3D"">Why raise your =
cost by adding an=20
    additive when there are oils that already have the zinc?&nbsp; I use =
VR1;=20
    all the local auto parts stores have it.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">CR<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">
    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 7/5/2019 10:50 AM, FrankK via Mgs=20=

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      <div class=3D"">There was a great deal of&nbsp; discussion here =
regarding the use of=20
      different oil to compensate for the lack of ZDDP in oil these =
days.&nbsp;=20
      I didn=E2=80=99t see anyone include a discussion of the practice =
of adding ZDDP to=20
      oil that is lacking in it.&nbsp; There are several sources where =
it is=20
      available and I have availed myself of it and added it to my&nbsp; =
Castrol=20
      20-50 when I change the oil in my 80 MGBLE. </div>
      <div class=3D"">Is there a problem in doing this in lieu of using =
Valvoline Racing=20
      Oil say? </div>
      <div class=3D"">Frank=20
  =
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From: Charley Robinson via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 00:30:27 -0500

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I've been reading up on it to refresh my memory.  A lot of folks just 
take other peoples' word for it.

CR

On 7/5/2019 9:02 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:
> Only certain weights. You have to read the labels, or usually the spec 
> sheets.
>
> --
> Max Heim
>
>
>
>> On Jul 5, 2019, at 6:15 PM, FrankK <[email-masked] 
>>
>> *From:* Max Heim
>> *Sent:* Friday, July 5, 2019 9:02 PM
>> *To:* FrankK ; MG List
>> *Subject:* Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive
>> Right, but there are other brands. I use Mobil1 15W50. Others use 
>>> Max: I    did get some Valvoline Racing Oil (not for street use!) 
>>> but after some of the negative comments on here regarding its use I 
>>> am questioning its use now.
>>> *From:* Max Heim via Mgs
>>> *Sent:* Friday, July 5, 2019 6:41 PM
>>> *To:* MG List
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive
>>> I agree with Charley… I did that for a while but it was 
>>> Consider, if you have to top off your oil by adding a quart between 
>>> changes (as is common), are you also adding the exact proportional 
>>> amount of your additive? It’s just impractical to deal with on a 
>>>> On Jul 5, 2019, at 3:26 PM, Charley Robinson via Mgs 
>>>> have it.
>>>>> different oil to compensate for the lack of ZDDP in oil these 
>>>>> days.  I didn’t see anyone include a discussion of the practice of 
>>>>> adding ZDDP to oil that is lacking in it.  There are several 
>>>>> sources where it is available and I have availed myself of it and 
>>>>> added it to my Castrol 20-50 when I change the oil in my 80 MGBLE.
>>>>> Is there a problem in doing this in lieu of using Valvoline Racing 
>>>>> Oil say?
>>>>> Frank Krajewski
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    I've been reading up on it to refresh my memory.  A lot of folks
    just take other peoples' word for it.<br>
    <br>
    CR<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/5/2019 9:02 PM, Max Heim via Mgs
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:[email-masked]">
      <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
      Only certain weights. You have to read the labels, or usually the
      spec sheets.
      <div class=""><br class="">
        <div class="">
          <div class="">--</div>
          <div class="">Max Heim</div>
          <div class=""><a href="mailto:[email-masked]" class=""
              moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a></div>
          <div class=""><br class="">
          </div>
          <br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
        </div>
        <br class="">
        <div>
          <blockquote type="cite" class="">
            <div class="">On Jul 5, 2019, at 6:15 PM, FrankK &lt;<a
                href="mailto:[email-masked]" class=""
                moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
              wrote:</div>
            <br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
            <div class="">
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                http-equiv="Content-Type" class="">
              <div style="WORD-WRAP: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode:
                space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space" dir="ltr"
                class="">
                <div dir="ltr" class="">
                  <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri;"
                    class="">
                    <div class="">I assume all those brands include the
                      correct ZDDP proportions./ </div>
                    <div style="font-size: small; text-decoration: none;
                      font-family: Calibri; font-weight: normal;
                      font-style: normal; display: inline;" class="">
                      <div style="FONT: 10pt tahoma" class="">
                        <div class=""> </div>
                        <div style="BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5" class="">
                          <div style="font-color: black" class=""><b
                              class="">From:</b> <a
                              title="[email-masked]" class=""
                              moz-do-not-send="true">Max Heim</a> </div>
                          <div class=""><b class="">Sent:</b> Friday,
                            July 5, 2019 9:02 PM</div>
                          <div class=""><b class="">To:</b> <a
                              title="[email-masked]" class=""
                              moz-do-not-send="true">FrankK</a> ; <a
                              title="[email-masked]" class=""
                              moz-do-not-send="true">MG List</a> </div>
                          <div class=""><b class="">Subject:</b> Re:
                            [Mgs] Oil Additive</div>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                      <div class=""> </div>
                    </div>
                    <div style="font-size: small; text-decoration: none;
                      font-family: Calibri; font-weight: normal;
                      font-style: normal; display: inline;" class="">Right,
                      but there are other brands. I use Mobil1 15W50.
                      Others use Royal Purple, Joe Gibbs, Kendall or
                      AMSoil brands.
                      <div class=""> </div>
                      <div class="">
                        <div class=""> </div>
                        <div class="">
                          <div class="">--</div>
                          <div class="">Max Heim</div>
                          <div class=""><a class=""
                              moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a></div>
                          <div class=""> </div>
                          <div class=""> </div>
                        </div>
                        <div class=""> </div>
                        <div class="">
                          <blockquote type="cite" class="">
                            <div class="">On Jul 5, 2019, at 5:49 PM,
                              FrankK &lt;<a class=""
                                moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                              wrote:</div>
                            <div class=""> </div>
                            <div class="">
                              <div style="WORD-WRAP: break-word;
                                -webkit-nbsp-mode: space;
                                -webkit-line-break: after-white-space"
                                dir="ltr" class="">
                                <div dir="ltr" class="">
                                  <div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;
                                    FONT-FAMILY: calibri" class="">
                                    <div class="">Max: I    did get some
                                      Valvoline Racing Oil (not for
                                      street use!) but after some of the
                                      negative comments on here
                                      regarding its use I am questioning
                                      its use now. </div>
                                    <div style="FONT-SIZE: small;
                                      TEXT-DECORATION: none;
                                      FONT-FAMILY: calibri; FONT-WEIGHT:
                                      normal; FONT-STYLE: normal;
                                      DISPLAY: inline" class="">
                                      <div style="FONT: 10pt tahoma"
                                        class="">
                                        <div class=""> </div>
                                        <div style="BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5"
                                          class="">
                                          <div style="font-color: black"
                                            class=""><b class="">From:</b>
                                            <a
                                              title="[email-masked]"
                                              class=""
                                              moz-do-not-send="true">Max
                                              Heim via Mgs</a> </div>
                                          <div class=""><b class="">Sent:</b>
                                            Friday, July 5, 2019 6:41 PM</div>
                                          <div class=""><b class="">To:</b>
                                            <a
                                              title="[email-masked]"
                                              class=""
                                              moz-do-not-send="true">MG
                                              List</a> </div>
                                          <div class=""><b class="">Subject:</b>
                                            Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive</div>
                                        </div>
                                      </div>
                                      <div class=""> </div>
                                    </div>
                                    <div style="FONT-SIZE: small;
                                      TEXT-DECORATION: none;
                                      FONT-FAMILY: calibri; FONT-WEIGHT:
                                      normal; FONT-STYLE: normal;
                                      DISPLAY: inline" class="">
                                      <div class="">I agree with
                                        Charley… I did that for a while
                                        but it was inconvenient, and
                                        once I found a proper oil it was
                                        pointless.</div>
                                      <div class=""> </div>
                                      <div class="">Consider, if you
                                        have to top off your oil by
                                        adding a quart between changes
                                        (as is common), are you also
                                        adding the exact proportional
                                        amount of your additive? It’s
                                        just impractical to deal with on
                                        a regular basis. There is
                                        nothing magical about Castrol
                                        20W50.</div>
                                      <div class=""> </div>
                                      <div class="">
                                        <div style="WORD-WRAP:
                                          break-word; WHITE-SPACE:
                                          normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px;
                                          TEXT-TRANSFORM: none;
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                                          -webkit-nbsp-mode: space;
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                                          after-white-space;
                                          -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                                          0px" class="">
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                                            normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px;
                                            TEXT-TRANSFORM: none;
                                            LETTER-SPACING: normal;
                                            TEXT-INDENT: 0px;
                                            -webkit-nbsp-mode: space;
                                            -webkit-line-break:
                                            after-white-space;
                                            -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                                            0px" class="">
                                            <div style="FONT-SIZE: 13px;
                                              MARGIN: 0px" class="">--</div>
                                            <div style="FONT-SIZE: 13px;
                                              MIN-HEIGHT: 16px; MARGIN:
                                              0px" class="">Max Heim</div>
                                            <div style="FONT-SIZE: 13px;
                                              MARGIN: 0px" class="">'66
                                              MGB</div>
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
                                      </div>
                                      <div class=""> </div>
                                      <div class="">
                                        <blockquote type="cite" class="">
                                          <div class="">On Jul 5, 2019,
                                            at 3:26 PM, Charley Robinson
                                            via Mgs &lt;<a class=""
                                              moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                                            wrote:</div>
                                          <div class=""> </div>
                                          <div class="">
                                            <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"
                                              text="#000000" class="">Why
                                              raise your cost by adding
                                              an additive when there are
                                              oils that already have the
                                              zinc?  I use VR1; all the
                                              local auto parts stores
                                              have it.<br class="">
                                              <br class="">
                                              CR<br class="">
                                              <br class="">
                                              <div
                                                class="moz-cite-prefix">On
                                                7/5/2019 10:50 AM,
                                                FrankK via Mgs wrote:<br
                                                  class="">
                                              </div>
                                              <blockquote
                                                cite="mid:CB90691B2D724F519195CE7A463EED35@FrankPC"
                                                type="cite" class="">
                                                <div dir="ltr" class="">
                                                  <div style="FONT-SIZE:
                                                    12pt; FONT-FAMILY:
                                                    calibri" class="">
                                                    <div class="">There
                                                      was a great deal
                                                      of  discussion
                                                      here regarding the
                                                      use of different
                                                      oil to compensate
                                                      for the lack of
                                                      ZDDP in oil these
                                                      days.  I didn’t
                                                      see anyone include
                                                      a discussion of
                                                      the practice of
                                                      adding ZDDP to oil
                                                      that is lacking in
                                                      it.  There are
                                                      several sources
                                                      where it is
                                                      available and I
                                                      have availed
                                                      myself of it and
                                                      added it to my 
                                                      Castrol 20-50 when
                                                      I change the oil
                                                      in my 80 MGBLE. </div>
                                                    <div class="">Is
                                                      there a problem in
                                                      doing this in lieu
                                                      of using Valvoline
                                                      Racing Oil say? </div>
                                                    <div class="">Frank
                                                      Krajewski</div>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                              </blockquote>
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Oil technology is changing quickly, with the change in emissions and fuel
economy regulations and the redesign of newer engines.  Additive packages
are now designed for engines that run hotter, have tighter tolerances, and
must be cleaner to preserve catalytic converters and oxygen sensors. It's
easy to think in terms of individual brands that have "always been good",
but the thing that most affects the choice of oil is the API Service
Classification.
I found a good summary of the rapid changes in oil standards here:
http://www.pqiamerica.com/apiserviceclass.htm
As classifications change, old oil formulations become obsolete, the
appropriate oil for flat tappet engines has become pretty much the product
of specialty oil companies like Royal Purple, Driven/Joe Gibbs, Red Line,
Lucas, and Collectors Choice (Moss).

Chris

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> I've been reading up on it to refresh my memory.  A lot of folks just take
> other peoples' word for it.
>
> CR
>
> Right, but there are other brands. I use Mobil1 15W50. Others use Royal
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Oil technology is changing quickly, with the change i=
n emissions and fuel economy regulations and the redesign of newer engines.=
=C2=A0 Additive packages are now designed for engines that run hotter, have=
 tighter tolerances, and must be cleaner to preserve catalytic converters a=
nd oxygen sensors. It&#39;s easy to think in terms of individual brands tha=
t have &quot;always been good&quot;, but the thing that most affects the ch=
oice of oil is the API Service Classification.=C2=A0</div><div>I found a go=
od summary of the rapid changes in oil standards here:</div><div><a href=3D=
"http://www.pqiamerica.com/apiserviceclass.htm">http://www.pqiamerica.com/a=
piserviceclass.htm</a><br></div><div>As classifications change, old oil for=
mulations become obsolete, the appropriate oil for flat tappet engines has =
become pretty much the product of specialty oil companies like Royal Purple=
, Driven/Joe Gibbs, Red Line, Lucas, and Collectors Choice (Moss).<br></div=
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lass=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 10:32 PM Charley Robinson via Mg=
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    I&#39;ve been reading up on it to refresh my memory.=C2=A0 A lot of fol=
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    just take other peoples&#39; word for it.<br>
    <br>
    CR<br>
    <br>
    <div class=3D"gmail-m_-7918293755375773193moz-cite-prefix">On 7/5/2019 =
9:02 PM, Max Heim via Mgs
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      Only certain weights. You have to read the labels, or usually the
      spec sheets.
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                    <div>I assume all those brands include the
                      correct ZDDP proportions./ </div>
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ax Heim</a> </div>
                          <div><b>Sent:</b> Friday,
                            July 5, 2019 9:02 PM</div>
                          <div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"[email-masked]"=
>FrankK</a> ; <a title=3D"[email-masked]">MG List</a> </div>
                          <div><b>Subject:</b> Re:
                            [Mgs] Oil Additive</div>
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                    <div style=3D"font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font=
-family:Calibri;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;display:inline">Right,
                      but there are other brands. I use Mobil1 15W50.
                      Others use Royal Purple, Joe Gibbs, Kendall or
                      AMSoil brands.
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From: Simon Matthews via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 08:47:57 -0700

That article doesn't include the detail that the allowed  formulation
of oils depends on the weight of the oil. So a 20W/50 oil can contain
a lot more zinc and phosphorous than a 5W/30.

Simon

On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 8:29 AM Chris Attias via Mgs <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
> Oil technology is changing quickly, with the change in emissions and fuel economy regulations and the redesign of newer engines.  Additive packages are now designed for engines that run hotter, have tighter tolerances, and must be cleaner to preserve catalytic converters and oxygen sensors. It's easy to think in terms of individual brands that have "always been good", but the thing that most affects the choice of oil is the API Service Classification.
> As classifications change, old oil formulations become obsolete, the appropriate oil for flat tappet engines has become pretty much the product of specialty oil companies like Royal Purple, Driven/Joe Gibbs, Red Line, Lucas, and Collectors Choice (Moss).
>
> Chris
>
> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 10:32 PM Charley Robinson via Mgs <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>
>> I've been reading up on it to refresh my memory.  A lot of folks just take other peoples' word for it.
>>
>> CR
>>
>> Only certain weights. You have to read the labels, or usually the spec sheets.
>>
>> --
>> Max Heim
>> [email-masked]
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Max Heim
>> To: FrankK ; MG List
>> Right, but there are other brands. I use Mobil1 15W50. Others use Royal Purple, Joe Gibbs, Kendall or AMSoil brands.
>>
>>
>> --
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Sorry, I don't agree unless you see Valvoline as a specialty motor oil 
supplier.

CR

On 7/6/2019 10:28 AM, Chris Attias wrote:
> appropriate oil for flat tappet engines has become pretty much the 
> product of specialty oil companies like Royal Purple, Driven/Joe 
> Gibbs, Red Line, Lucas, and Collectors Choice (Moss).
>
> Chris
>
> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 10:32 PM Charley Robinson via Mgs 
>
>     just take other peoples' word for it.
>
>     CR
>
>>>     Right, but there are other brands. I use Mobil1 15W50. Others
>>>     use Royal Purple, Joe Gibbs, Kendall or AMSoil brands.
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    Sorry, I don't agree unless you see Valvoline as a specialty motor
    oil supplier.<br>
    <br>
    CR<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/6/2019 10:28 AM, Chris Attias
      wrote:<br>
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        <div>As classifications change, old oil formulations become
          obsolete, the appropriate oil for flat tappet engines has
          become pretty much the product of specialty oil companies like
          Royal Purple, Driven/Joe Gibbs, Red Line, Lucas, and
          Collectors Choice (Moss).<br>
        </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        Chris
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            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at
              10:32 PM Charley Robinson via Mgs &lt;<a
                href="mailto:[email-masked]" moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
              wrote:<br>
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              <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> I've been reading up on it to
                refresh my memory.  A lot of folks just take other
                peoples' word for it.<br>
                <br>
                CR<br>
                <br>
                <div class="gmail-m_-7918293755375773193moz-cite-prefix">On
                  7/5/2019 9:02 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:<br>
                </div>
                <blockquote type="cite"> Only certain weights. You have
                  to read the labels, or usually the spec sheets.
                  <div><br>
                    <div>
                      <div>--</div>
                      <div>Max Heim</div>
                      <div><a href="mailto:[email-masked]"
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                            href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
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                                <div>I assume all those brands include
                                  the correct ZDDP proportions./ </div>
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                                    <div> </div>
                                    <div
                                      style="background:rgb(245,245,245)">
                                      <div><b>From:</b> <a
                                          title="[email-masked]"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">Max
                                          Heim</a> </div>
                                      <div><b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 5,
                                        2019 9:02 PM</div>
                                      <div><b>To:</b> <a
                                          title="[email-masked]"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">FrankK</a>
                                        ; <a title="[email-masked]"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">MG List</a>
                                      </div>
                                      <div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mgs] Oil
                                        Additive</div>
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                                <div
style="font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;display:inline">Right,
                                  but there are other brands. I use
                                  Mobil1 15W50. Others use Royal Purple,
                                  Joe Gibbs, Kendall or AMSoil brands.
                                  <div> </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <div> </div>
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                                      <div>--</div>
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I don't claim exhaustive knowledge about all racing oils. Valvoline VR1 is
primarily made for racing, and I'd call it a specialty oil. Not something
I've seen on the shelves at local auto parts stores. The most non-specialty
oil I've seen is Mobil 1 15W-50, with an API classification SN, that has
1200 ppm zinc, and isn't recommended for extended use in cars with
catalytic convertors.

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<div dir=3D"ltr">I don&#39;t claim exhaustive knowledge about all racing oi=
ls. Valvoline VR1 is primarily made for racing, and I&#39;d call it a speci=
alty oil. Not something I&#39;ve seen on the shelves at local auto parts st=
ores. The most non-specialty oil I&#39;ve seen is Mobil 1 15W-50, with an A=
PI classification SN, that has 1200 ppm zinc, and isn&#39;t recommended for=
 extended use in cars with catalytic convertors.=C2=A0<div><br></div></div>=
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat=
, Jul 6, 2019 at 6:40 PM Charley Robinson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Charley38@t=
wc.com">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
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    Sorry, I don&#39;t agree unless you see Valvoline as a specialty motor
    oil supplier.<br>
    <br>
    CR<br>
    <br>
    <div class=3D"gmail-m_7183647943737747142moz-cite-prefix">On 7/6/2019 1=
0:28 AM, Chris Attias
      wrote:<br>
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    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
     =20
      <div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
        <div>As classifications change, old oil formulations become
          obsolete, the appropriate oil for flat tappet engines has
          become pretty much the product of specialty oil companies like
          Royal Purple, Driven/Joe Gibbs, Red Line, Lucas, and
          Collectors Choice (Moss).<br>
        </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        Chris
        <div><br>
          <div class=3D"gmail_quote">
            <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at
              10:32 PM Charley Robinson via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@a=
utox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
              wrote:<br>
            </div>
            <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0=
.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
              <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"> I&#39;ve been reading up on it to
                refresh my memory.=C2=A0 A lot of folks just take other
                peoples&#39; word for it.<br>
                <br>
                CR<br>
                <br>
                <div class=3D"gmail-m_7183647943737747142gmail-m_-791829375=
5375773193moz-cite-prefix">On
                  7/5/2019 9:02 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:<br>
                </div>
                <blockquote type=3D"cite"> Only certain weights. You have
                  to read the labels, or usually the spec sheets.
                  <div><br>
                    <div>
                      <div>--</div>
                      <div>Max Heim</div>
                      <div><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_b=
lank">[email-masked]</a></div>
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                        <div>On Jul 5, 2019, at 6:15 PM, FrankK &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt;
                          wrote:</div>
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bri">
                                <div>I assume all those brands include
                                  the correct ZDDP proportions./ </div>
                                <div style=3D"font-size:small;text-decorati=
on:none;font-family:Calibri;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;display:in=
line">
                                  <div style=3D"font:10pt tahoma">
                                    <div>=C2=A0</div>
                                    <div style=3D"background:rgb(245,245,24=
5)">
                                      <div><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"mvheim@=
sonic.net">Max
                                          Heim</a> </div>
                                      <div><b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 5,
                                        2019 9:02 PM</div>
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verizon.net">FrankK</a>
                                        ; <a title=3D"[email-masked]">M=
G List</a>
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                                      <div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mgs] Oil
                                        Additive</div>
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                                <div style=3D"font-size:small;text-decorati=
on:none;font-family:Calibri;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;display:in=
line">Right,
                                  but there are other brands. I use
                                  Mobil1 15W50. Others use Royal Purple,
                                  Joe Gibbs, Kendall or AMSoil brands.
                                  <div>=C2=A0</div>
                                  <div>
                                    <div>=C2=A0</div>
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Maybe you haven't looked hard enough.  I bought two quarts of 20W50 VR1 
yesterday at my local Autozone.  The other local stores carry it too.  
The first bullet on the back label calls it "High Performance/Racing 
Oil". Here's a blurb from Valvoline's website: 
https://sharena21.springcm.com/Public/Document/18452/18bdee61-0a7e-e711-9c10-ac162d889bd3/a61538b4-0cbd-e711-9c12-ac162d889bd1

I've been using  20W50 VR1 in my '69 MGB for the last 5 years or so.  I 
use synthetics in my newer cars.

CR

On 7/6/2019 10:01 PM, Chris Attias wrote:
> I don't claim exhaustive knowledge about all racing oils. Valvoline 
> VR1 is primarily made for racing, and I'd call it a specialty oil. Not 
> something I've seen on the shelves at local auto parts stores.
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 6:40 PM Charley Robinson <[email-masked] 
>
>     oil supplier.
>>     As classifications change, old oil formulations become obsolete,
>>     the appropriate oil for flat tappet engines has become pretty
>>     much the product of specialty oil companies like Royal Purple,
>>     Driven/Joe Gibbs, Red Line, Lucas, and Collectors Choice (Moss).
>>
>>     Chris
>>
>>         I've been reading up on it to refresh my memory.  A lot of
>>         folks just take other peoples' word for it.
>>
>>         CR
>>
>>>>         Right, but there are other brands. I use Mobil1 15W50.
>>>>         Others use Royal Purple, Joe Gibbs, Kendall or AMSoil brands.
>>>>         --
>>>>         Max Heim
>>>>         [email-masked]

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    Maybe you haven't looked hard enough.  I bought two quarts of 20W50
    VR1 yesterday at my local Autozone.  The other local stores carry it
    too.  The first bullet on the back label calls it "High
    Performance/Racing Oil". Here's a blurb from Valvoline's website: <a
href="https://sharena21.springcm.com/Public/Document/18452/18bdee61-0a7e-e711-9c10-ac162d889bd3/a61538b4-0cbd-e711-9c12-ac162d889bd1">https://sharena21.springcm.com/Public/Document/18452/18bdee61-0a7e-e711-9c10-ac162d889bd3/a61538b4-0cbd-e711-9c12-ac162d889bd1</a><br>
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    I've been using  20W50 VR1 in my '69 MGB for the last 5 years or
    so.  I use synthetics in my newer cars.<br>
    <br>
    CR<br>
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    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/6/2019 10:01 PM, Chris Attias
      wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">I don't claim exhaustive knowledge about all racing
        oils. Valvoline VR1 is primarily made for racing, and I'd call
        it a specialty oil. Not something I've seen on the shelves at
        local auto parts stores. <br>
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      <div class="gmail_quote">
        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 6:40 PM
          Charley Robinson &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]"
            moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
        </div>
        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
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          <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Sorry, I don't agree unless you see
            Valvoline as a specialty motor oil supplier.<br>
            <br>
            CR<br>
            <br>
            <div class="gmail-m_7183647943737747142moz-cite-prefix">On
              7/6/2019 10:28 AM, Chris Attias wrote:<br>
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                <div>As classifications change, old oil formulations
                  become obsolete, the appropriate oil for flat tappet
                  engines has become pretty much the product of
                  specialty oil companies like Royal Purple, Driven/Joe
                  Gibbs, Red Line, Lucas, and Collectors Choice (Moss).<br>
                </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                Chris
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                    <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 5,
                      2019 at 10:32 PM Charley Robinson via Mgs &lt;<a
                        href="mailto:[email-masked]" target="_blank"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                      wrote:<br>
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                      <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> I've been reading up on it
                        to refresh my memory.  A lot of folks just take
                        other peoples' word for it.<br>
                        <br>
                        CR<br>
                        <br>
                        <div
class="gmail-m_7183647943737747142gmail-m_-7918293755375773193moz-cite-prefix">On
                          7/5/2019 9:02 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:<br>
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                        <blockquote type="cite"> Only certain weights.
                          You have to read the labels, or usually the
                          spec sheets.
                          <div><br>
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                              <div>--</div>
                              <div>Max Heim</div>
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                                <div>On Jul 5, 2019, at 6:15 PM, FrankK
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                                        <div>I assume all those brands
                                          include the correct ZDDP
                                          proportions./ </div>
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                                              <div><b>From:</b> <a
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                                                  Heim</a> </div>
                                              <div><b>Sent:</b> Friday,
                                                July 5, 2019 9:02 PM</div>
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                                              <div><b>Subject:</b> Re:
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                                        <div
style="font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;display:inline">Right,
                                          but there are other brands. I
                                          use Mobil1 15W50. Others use
                                          Royal Purple, Joe Gibbs,
                                          Kendall or AMSoil brands.
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I have been using 20-50 VR1 in my 80 MGBLE but I see from the website =
that you provided that it should not be used in cars with catalytic =
converters which my 80  MGB has. In fact, all of the recommended oils =
with zddp should not be used in cars with catalytic converters  so what =
should those of us with RBBs use? we need the zddp but not the added  =
aggravation  of concern about our cats?
Frank Krajewski

From: Charley Robinson via Mgs=20
Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2019 10:07 AM
To: Chris Attias ; [email-masked]=20
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive

Maybe you haven't looked hard enough.  I bought two quarts of 20W50 VR1 =
yesterday at my local Autozone.  The other local stores carry it too.  =
The first bullet on the back label calls it "High Performance/Racing =
Oil". Here's a blurb from Valvoline's website: =
https://sharena21.springcm.com/Public/Document/18452/18bdee61-0a7e-e711-9=
c10-ac162d889bd3/a61538b4-0cbd-e711-9c12-ac162d889bd1

I've been using  20W50 VR1 in my '69 MGB for the last 5 years or so.  I =
use synthetics in my newer cars.

CR

  I don't claim exhaustive knowledge about all racing oils. Valvoline =
VR1 is primarily made for racing, and I'd call it a specialty oil. Not =
something I've seen on the shelves at local auto parts stores.=20

  On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 6:40 PM Charley Robinson <[email-masked]> =
wrote:

    Sorry, I don't agree unless you see Valvoline as a specialty motor =
oil supplier.

    CR

      As classifications change, old oil formulations become obsolete, =
the appropriate oil for flat tappet engines has become pretty much the =
product of specialty oil companies like Royal Purple, Driven/Joe Gibbs, =
Red Line, Lucas, and Collectors Choice (Moss).

      Chris=20

      On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 10:32 PM Charley Robinson via Mgs =
<[email-masked]> wrote:

        I've been reading up on it to refresh my memory.  A lot of folks =
just take other peoples' word for it.

        CR

          Only certain weights. You have to read the labels, or usually =
the spec sheets.=20

          --
          Max Heim
          [email-masked]

            On Jul 5, 2019, at 6:15 PM, FrankK <[email-masked]> =
wrote:

            I assume all those brands include the correct ZDDP =
proportions./=20

            From: Max Heim=20
            To: FrankK ; MG List=20

            Right, but there are other brands. I use Mobil1 15W50. =
Others use Royal Purple, Joe Gibbs, Kendall or AMSoil brands.=20

            --
            Max Heim
            [email-masked]

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<DIV>I have been using 20-50 VR1 in my 80 MGBLE but I see from the =
website that=20
you provided that it should not be used in cars with catalytic =
converters which=20
my 80&nbsp; MGB has. In fact, all of the recommended oils with zddp =
should not=20
be used in cars with catalytic converters&nbsp; so what should those of =
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RBBs use? we need the zddp but not the added&nbsp; aggravation&nbsp; of =
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about our cats?</DIV>
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Robinson via Mgs</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, July 7, 2019 10:07 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=[email-masked]>Chris Attias</A> ; <A=20
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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style=3D'FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
DISPLAY: inline'>Maybe=20
you haven't looked hard enough.&nbsp; I bought two quarts of 20W50 VR1 =
yesterday=20
at my local Autozone.&nbsp; The other local stores carry it too.&nbsp; =
The first=20
bullet on the back label calls it "High Performance/Racing Oil". Here's =
a blurb=20
from Valvoline's website: <A=20
href=3D"https://sharena21.springcm.com/Public/Document/18452/18bdee61-0a7=
e-e711-9c10-ac162d889bd3/a61538b4-0cbd-e711-9c12-ac162d889bd1">https://sh=
arena21.springcm.com/Public/Document/18452/18bdee61-0a7e-e711-9c10-ac162d=
889bd3/a61538b4-0cbd-e711-9c12-ac162d889bd1</A><BR><BR>I've=20
been using&nbsp; 20W50 VR1 in my '69 MGB for the last 5 years or =
so.&nbsp; I use=20
synthetics in my newer cars.<BR><BR>CR<BR><BR><BR>
<DIV class=3Dmoz-cite-prefix>On 7/6/2019 10:01 PM, Chris Attias =
wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
cite=3Dmid:CAFpMPMUJRm-RS-_dbKPzvrF_=3D06naw=[email-masked]=
mail.com=20
type=3D"cite">
  <DIV dir=3Dltr>I don't claim exhaustive knowledge about all racing =
oils.=20
  Valvoline VR1 is primarily made for racing, and I'd call it a =
specialty oil.=20
  Not something I've seen on the shelves at local auto parts stores. =
<BR>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>
  <DIV class=3Dgmail_attr dir=3Dltr>On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 6:40 PM =
Charley Robinson=20
  &lt;<A moz-do-not-send=3D"true">[email-masked]</A>&gt; =
wrote:<BR></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dgmail_quote=20
  style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid; =
MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex">
    <DIV bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">Sorry, I don't agree unless you see =
Valvoline as a=20
    specialty motor oil supplier.<BR><BR>CR<BR><BR>
    <DIV class=3Dgmail-m_7183647943737747142moz-cite-prefix>On 7/6/2019 =
10:28 AM,=20
    Chris Attias wrote:<BR></DIV>
    <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
      <DIV dir=3Dltr>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV>As classifications change, old oil formulations become =
obsolete, the=20
      appropriate oil for flat tappet engines has become pretty much the =
product=20
      of specialty oil companies like Royal Purple, Driven/Joe Gibbs, =
Red Line,=20
      Lucas, and Collectors Choice (Moss).<BR></DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>Chris=20
      <DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>
      <DIV class=3Dgmail_attr dir=3Dltr>On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 10:32 PM =
Charley=20
      Robinson via Mgs &lt;<A target=3D_blank=20
      moz-do-not-send=3D"true">[email-masked]</A>&gt; =
wrote:<BR></DIV>
      <BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dgmail_quote=20
      style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px =
solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex">
        <DIV bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">I've been reading up on it to refresh =
my=20
        memory.&nbsp; A lot of folks just take other peoples' word for=20
        it.<BR><BR>CR<BR><BR>
        <DIV=20
        =
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refix>On=20
        7/5/2019 9:02 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:<BR></DIV>
        <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">Only certain weights. You have to read =
the=20
          labels, or usually the spec sheets.=20
          <DIV>
          <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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          <DIV>--</DIV>
          <DIV>Max Heim</DIV>
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            <DIV>I assume all those brands include the correct ZDDP=20
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Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 11:47:24 -0400

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Hi Frank,
    It=E2=80=99s unlikely that the 1980 catalyst is still catalysing; it=E2=80=
=99s probably been dead weight for years. =20
   On the chart we saw this morning VR1 has 1400 ppm ZDDP, so that answer th=
e question about ZDDP and a sufficiency thereof.  It should be fine to use i=
n our engines.
  Is the cat needed in order to pass emissions in RI?   It was in CT, the vi=
sual part of inspection, though one of our members with a 1980 made one of a=
 tomato juice can that he installed before inspections.  That passed the vis=
ual.  Tailpipe emissions passed easily w/o it, but they needed to see someth=
ing that looked like a cat in order to pass the visual inspection. =20
  My 1972, toward the end of the tailpipe checks, was passing easily. Some s=
ay that fuel within the past ten years will burn clean enough to pass. That=E2=
=80=99s my one-person experience. We no longer have tail-pipe checks in CT.
Bob

> On Jul 7, 2019, at 11:28 AM, FrankK via Mgs <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> I have been using 20-50 VR1 in my 80 MGBLE but I see from the website that=
 you provided that it should not be used in cars with catalytic converters w=
hich my 80  MGB has. In fact, all of the recommended oils with zddp should n=
ot be used in cars with catalytic converters  so what should those of us wit=
h RBBs use? we need the zddp but not the added  aggravation  of concern abou=
t our cats?
> Frank Krajewski
> =20
> From: Charley Robinson via Mgs
> To: Chris Attias ; [email-masked]
> Maybe you haven't looked hard enough.  I bought two quarts of 20W50 VR1 ye=
sterday at my local Autozone.  The other local stores carry it too.  The fir=
st bullet on the back label calls it "High Performance/Racing Oil". Here's a=
 blurb from Valvoline's website: https://sharena21.springcm.com/Public/Docum=
ent/18452/18bdee61-0a7e-e711-9c10-ac162d889bd3/a61538b4-0cbd-e711-9c12-ac162=
d889bd1
>=20
> I've been using  20W50 VR1 in my '69 MGB for the last 5 years or so.  I us=
e synthetics in my newer cars.
>> I don't claim exhaustive knowledge about all racing oils. Valvoline VR1 i=
s primarily made for racing, and I'd call it a specialty oil. Not something I=
've seen on the shelves at local auto parts stores.=20
>> =20
>> =20
>>> On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 6:40 PM Charley Robinson <[email-masked]> wrot=
e:
>>> Sorry, I don't agree unless you see Valvoline as a specialty motor oil s=
upplier.
>>>> As classifications change, old oil formulations become obsolete, the ap=
propriate oil for flat tappet engines has become pretty much the product of s=
pecialty oil companies like Royal Purple, Driven/Joe Gibbs, Red Line, Lucas,=
 and Collectors Choice (Moss).
>>>> =20
>>>> Chris
>>>> =20
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 10:32 PM Charley Robinson via Mgs <[email-masked]=
am.net> wrote:
>>>>> I've been reading up on it to refresh my memory.  A lot of folks just t=
ake other peoples' word for it.
>>>>>> Only certain weights. You have to read the labels, or usually the spe=
c sheets.
>>>>>>> Right, but there are other brands. I use Mobil1 15W50. Others use Ro=
yal Purple, Joe Gibbs, Kendall or AMSoil brands.
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi =
Frank,</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; &nbsp; It=E2=80=99s unlikely that the 19=
80 catalyst is still catalysing; it=E2=80=99s probably been dead weight for y=
ears. &nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; &nbsp;On the chart we saw this mor=
ning VR1 has 1400 ppm ZDDP, so that answer the question about ZDDP and a suf=
ficiency thereof. &nbsp;It should be fine to use in our engines.</div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; Is the cat needed in order to pass emissions in RI? &nbsp;=
 It was in CT, the visual part of inspection, though one of our members with=
 a 1980 made one of a tomato juice can that he installed before inspections.=
 &nbsp;That passed the visual. &nbsp;Tailpipe emissions passed easily w/o it=
, but they needed to see something that looked like a cat in order to pass t=
he visual inspection. &nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; My 1972, toward th=
e end of the tailpipe checks, was passing easily. Some say that fuel within t=
he past ten years will burn clean enough to pass. That=E2=80=99s my one-pers=
on experience. We no longer have tail-pipe checks in CT.</div><div dir=3D"lt=
r">Bob</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jul 7, 2019, a=
t 11:28 AM, FrankK via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mgs@aut=
ox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D=
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<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000">
<div>I have been using 20-50 VR1 in my 80 MGBLE but I see from the website t=
hat=20
you provided that it should not be used in cars with catalytic converters wh=
ich=20
my 80&nbsp; MGB has. In fact, all of the recommended oils with zddp should n=
ot=20
be used in cars with catalytic converters&nbsp; so what should those of us w=
ith=20
RBBs use? we need the zddp but not the added&nbsp; aggravation&nbsp; of conc=
ern=20
about our cats?</div>
<div>Frank Krajewski</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Ca=
libri&quot;; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLA=
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<div style=3D"font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"[email-masked]=
">Charley=20
Robinson via Mgs</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 7, 2019 10:07 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"[email-masked]">Chris Attias</a> ; <a title=3D=
"[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive</div></div></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div></div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Ca=
libri&quot;; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLA=
Y: inline">Maybe=20
you haven't looked hard enough.&nbsp; I bought two quarts of 20W50 VR1 yeste=
rday=20
at my local Autozone.&nbsp; The other local stores carry it too.&nbsp; The f=
irst=20
bullet on the back label calls it "High Performance/Racing Oil". Here's a bl=
urb=20
from Valvoline's website: <a href=3D"https://sharena21.springcm.com/Public/D=
ocument/18452/18bdee61-0a7e-e711-9c10-ac162d889bd3/a61538b4-0cbd-e711-9c12-a=
c162d889bd1">https://sharena21.springcm.com/Public/Document/18452/18bdee61-0=
a7e-e711-9c10-ac162d889bd3/a61538b4-0cbd-e711-9c12-ac162d889bd1</a><br><br>I=
've=20
been using&nbsp; 20W50 VR1 in my '69 MGB for the last 5 years or so.&nbsp; I=
 use=20
synthetics in my newer cars.<br><br>CR<br><br><br>
<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 7/6/2019 10:01 PM, Chris Attias wrote:<br>=
</div>
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[email-masked]" type=3D"cite">
  <div dir=3D"ltr">I don't claim exhaustive knowledge about all racing oils.=
=20
  Valvoline VR1 is primarily made for racing, and I'd call it a specialty oi=
l.=20
  Not something I've seen on the shelves at local auto parts stores. <br>
  <div>&nbsp;</div></div>
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  <div class=3D"gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 6:40 PM Charl=
ey Robinson=20
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    <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">Sorry, I don't agree unless you see Valvoline a=
s a=20
    specialty motor oil supplier.<br><br>CR<br><br>
    <div class=3D"gmail-m_7183647943737747142moz-cite-prefix">On 7/6/2019 10=
:28 AM,=20
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      <div>As classifications change, old oil formulations become obsolete, t=
he=20
      appropriate oil for flat tappet engines has become pretty much the pro=
duct=20
      of specialty oil companies like Royal Purple, Driven/Joe Gibbs, Red Li=
ne,=20
      Lucas, and Collectors Choice (Moss).<br></div>
      <div>&nbsp;</div>Chris=20
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      <div class=3D"gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 10:32 PM C=
harley=20
      Robinson via Mgs &lt;<a target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">mgs=
@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div>
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EFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex">
        <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">I've been reading up on it to refresh my=20=

        memory.&nbsp; A lot of folks just take other peoples' word for=20
        it.<br><br>CR<br><br>
        <div class=3D"gmail-m_7183647943737747142gmail-m_-791829375537577319=
3moz-cite-prefix">On=20
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        <blockquote type=3D"cite">Only certain weights. You have to read the=
=20
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 moz-do-not-send=3D"true">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
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            <div>I assume all those brands include the correct ZDDP=20
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"true">Max Heim</a> </div>
            <div><b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 5, 2019 9:02 PM</div>
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d=3D"true">FrankK</a> ; <a title=3D"[email-masked]" moz-do-not-send=3D"t=
rue">MG List</a> </div>
            <div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive</div></div></div>
            <div>&nbsp;</div></div>
            <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMI=
LY: calibri; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline">Right=
,=20
            but there are other brands. I use Mobil1 15W50. Others use Royal=
=20
            Purple, Joe Gibbs, Kendall or AMSoil brands.=20
            <div>&nbsp;</div>
            <div>
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I'll confess that I haven't been out to buy oil for about a year. I went
out this morning to a couple of nearby stores, and sure enough, they had
Valvoline VR1 and a couple other brands that were clearly labeled "High
Zinc" or mentioned ZDDP on the label. It looks like a lot of oil companies
are taking the old car/classics/hot rod market seriously. Valvoline
conventional was the least expensive, at under $7.00/qt.

As a side note, I've been using conventional oil because my experience with
old seals and synthetic oil hasn't been good. An oil company rep told me
that in their experience, synthetics have an improved detergent effect that
points up wear in old seals that's been masked by a buildup of
contaminants. It's a theory...

Back to some of the earlier discussions...Correct me if I'm wrong, but
Castrol seems to be the least forthcoming about ZDDP levels in their oils -
I wasn't able to find a table specifying zinc in ppm for GTX. Rimmer Bros.
in the UK sells something that looks like a Castrol for old cars, but I
didn't see that available here. Not knowing, would you want to add ZDDP? I
don't know.

For an MGB with a catalyst, I'd probably think about using an oil with a
known amount of ZDDP (ppm). Some oil companies publish this level. I've
seen between 600 ppm and 1200 ppm. It's sort of a crap shoot with a bottle
of additive, given that you might not know the concentration.

On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 7:08 AM Charley Robinson <[email-masked]> wrote:

> yesterday at my local Autozone.  The other local stores carry it too.  The
> first bullet on the back label calls it "High Performance/Racing Oil".
> Here's a blurb from Valvoline's website:
> I've seen on the shelves at local auto parts stores.
>
>

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8117 Azalea Dr.
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home: 831.335.2275
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;ll confess that I haven&#39;t been out to buy oil fo=
r about a year. I went out this morning to a couple of nearby stores, and s=
ure enough, they had Valvoline VR1 and a couple other brands that were clea=
rly labeled &quot;High Zinc&quot; or mentioned ZDDP on the label. It looks =
like a lot of oil companies are taking the old car/classics/hot rod market =
seriously. Valvoline conventional was the least expensive, at under $7.00/q=
t.<div><br></div><div>As a side note, I&#39;ve been using conventional oil =
because my experience with old seals and synthetic oil hasn&#39;t been good=
. An oil company rep told me that in their experience, synthetics have an i=
mproved detergent effect that points up wear in old seals that&#39;s been m=
asked by a buildup of contaminants. It&#39;s a theory...<br><div><br></div>=
<div>Back to some of the earlier discussions...Correct me if I&#39;m wrong,=
 but Castrol seems to be the least forthcoming about ZDDP levels in their o=
ils - I wasn&#39;t able to find a table specifying zinc in ppm for GTX. Rim=
mer Bros. in the UK sells something that looks like a Castrol for old cars,=
 but I didn&#39;t see that available here. Not knowing, would you want to a=
dd ZDDP? I don&#39;t know.</div><div><br></div><div>For an MGB with a catal=
yst, I&#39;d probably think about using an oil with a known amount of ZDDP =
(ppm). Some oil companies publish this level. I&#39;ve seen between 600 ppm=
 and 1200 ppm. It&#39;s sort of a crap shoot with a bottle of additive, giv=
en that you might not know the concentration.</div><div><br></div><div><br>=
</div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"=
gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 7:08 AM Charley Robinson &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1p=
x solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
 =20
   =20
 =20
  <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">
    Maybe you haven&#39;t looked hard enough.=C2=A0 I bought two quarts of =
20W50
    VR1 yesterday at my local Autozone.=C2=A0 The other local stores carry =
it
    too.=C2=A0 The first bullet on the back label calls it &quot;High
    Performance/Racing Oil&quot;. Here&#39;s a blurb from Valvoline&#39;s w=
ebsite: <a href=3D"https://sharena21.springcm.com/Public/Document/18452/18b=
dee61-0a7e-e711-9c10-ac162d889bd3/a61538b4-0cbd-e711-9c12-ac162d889bd1" tar=
get=3D"_blank">https://sharena21.springcm.com/Public/Document/18452/18bdee6=
1-0a7e-e711-9c10-ac162d889bd3/a61538b4-0cbd-e711-9c12-ac162d889bd1</a><br>
    <br>
    I&#39;ve been using=C2=A0 20W50 VR1 in my &#39;69 MGB for the last 5 ye=
ars or
    so.=C2=A0 I use synthetics in my newer cars.<br>
    <br>
    CR<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class=3D"gmail-m_-4215837252036478448moz-cite-prefix">On 7/6/2019 =
10:01 PM, Chris Attias
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
     =20
      <div dir=3D"ltr">I don&#39;t claim exhaustive knowledge about all rac=
ing
        oils. Valvoline VR1 is primarily made for racing, and I&#39;d call
        it a specialty oil. Not something I&#39;ve seen on the shelves at
        local auto parts stores. <br>
        <div><br>
        </div>
      </div>
      <br>
      <div class=3D"gmail_quote">
        <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 6:40 P=
M
          Charley Robinson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
        </div>
        <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
          <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"> Sorry, I don&#39;t agree unless you see
            Valvoline as a specialty motor oil supplier.<br>
            <br>
            CR<br>
            <br>
            <div class=3D"gmail-m_-4215837252036478448gmail-m_7183647943737=
747142moz-cite-prefix">On
              7/6/2019 10:28 AM, Chris Attias wrote:<br>
            </div>
            <blockquote type=3D"cite">
              <div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
                <div>As classifications change, old oil formulations
                  become obsolete, the appropriate oil for flat tappet
                  engines has become pretty much the product of
                  specialty oil companies like Royal Purple, Driven/Joe
                  Gibbs, Red Line, Lucas, and Collectors Choice (Moss).<br>
                </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                Chris
                <div><br>
                  <div class=3D"gmail_quote">
                    <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 5,
                      2019 at 10:32 PM Charley Robinson via Mgs &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                      wrote:<br>
                    </div>
                    <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                      <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"> I&#39;ve been reading up on=
 it
                        to refresh my memory.=C2=A0 A lot of folks just tak=
e
                        other peoples&#39; word for it.<br>
                        <br>
                        CR<br>
                        <br>
                        <div class=3D"gmail-m_-4215837252036478448gmail-m_7=
183647943737747142gmail-m_-7918293755375773193moz-cite-prefix">On
                          7/5/2019 9:02 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:<br>
                        </div>
                        <blockquote type=3D"cite"> Only certain weights.
                          You have to read the labels, or usually the
                          spec sheets.
                          <div><br>
                            <div>
                              <div>--</div>
                              <div>Max Heim</div>
                              <div><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targ=
et=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a></div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <br class=3D"gmail-m_-4215837252036478448gmai=
l-m_7183647943737747142gmail-m_-7918293755375773193Apple-interchange-newlin=
e">
                            </div>
                            <br>
                            <div>
                              <blockquote type=3D"cite">
                                <div>On Jul 5, 2019, at 6:15 PM, FrankK
                                  &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
t" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                                  wrote:</div>
                                <br class=3D"gmail-m_-4215837252036478448gm=
ail-m_7183647943737747142gmail-m_-7918293755375773193Apple-interchange-newl=
ine">
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                                      <div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-fam=
ily:Calibri">
                                        <div>I assume all those brands
                                          include the correct ZDDP
                                          proportions./ </div>
                                        <div style=3D"font-size:small;text-=
decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;di=
splay:inline">
                                          <div style=3D"font:10pt tahoma">
                                            <div>=C2=A0</div>
                                            <div style=3D"background:rgb(24=
5,245,245)">
                                              <div><b>From:</b> <a title=3D=
"[email-masked]">Max
                                                  Heim</a> </div>
                                              <div><b>Sent:</b> Friday,
                                                July 5, 2019 9:02 PM</div>
                                              <div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"f=
[email-masked]">FrankK</a>
                                                ; <a title=3D"[email-masked]=
m.net">MG
                                                  List</a> </div>
                                              <div><b>Subject:</b> Re:
                                                [Mgs] Oil Additive</div>
                                            </div>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>=C2=A0</div>
                                        </div>
                                        <div style=3D"font-size:small;text-=
decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;di=
splay:inline">Right,
                                          but there are other brands. I
                                          use Mobil1 15W50. Others use
                                          Royal Purple, Joe Gibbs,
                                          Kendall or AMSoil brands.
                                          <div>=C2=A0</div>
                                          <div>
                                            <div>=C2=A0</div>
                                            <div>
                                              <div>--</div>
                                              <div>Max Heim</div>
                                              <div><a>[email-masked]</a><=
/div>
                                              <div>=C2=A0</div>
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                  Attias</font>
                <div><font face=3D"comic sans ms, sans-serif">8117 Azalea
                    Dr.</font></div>
                <div><font face=3D"comic sans ms, sans-serif">Felton, CA
                    95018</font></div>
                <div><font face=3D"comic sans ms, sans-serif">home:
                    831.335.2275</font></div>
                <div><font face=3D"comic sans ms, sans-serif">cell:
                    831.247.0001</font></div>
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From: Richard Lindsay via Mgs <[email-masked]>
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Life is simpler where I live. I don't drive enough to worry about cam wear.
And in Texas we have no emissions testing for cars 25 years and older so
there's no worry about the catalytic converters. I would just change the
oil and filter at 3000 mile intervals and use Castrol GTX in 20W50 weight.
That said, I never drive 3000 miles so I just change oil and filter
annually-ish.

Rick

On Sun, Jul 7, 2019, 10:04 AM Chris Attias via Mgs <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> As a side note, I've been using conventional oil because my experience
> with old seals and synthetic oil hasn't been good. An oil company rep told
> me that in their experience, synthetics have an improved detergent effect
> that points up wear in old seals that's been masked by a buildup of
>> I don't claim exhaustive knowledge about all racing oils. Valvoline VR1
>> is primarily made for racing, and I'd call it a specialty oil. Not

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<div dir=3D"auto">Life is simpler where I live. I don&#39;t drive enough to=
 worry about cam wear. And in Texas we have no emissions testing for cars 2=
5 years and older so there&#39;s no worry about the catalytic converters. I=
 would just change the oil and filter at 3000 mile intervals and use Castro=
l GTX in 20W50 weight. That said, I never drive 3000 miles so I just change=
 oil and filter annually-ish.<div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div>=
<div dir=3D"auto">Rick</div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div=
 dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 7, 2019, 10:04 AM Chris Attia=
s via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&=
gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0=
 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;l=
l confess that I haven&#39;t been out to buy oil for about a year. I went o=
ut this morning to a couple of nearby stores, and sure enough, they had Val=
voline VR1 and a couple other brands that were clearly labeled &quot;High Z=
inc&quot; or mentioned ZDDP on the label. It looks like a lot of oil compan=
ies are taking the old car/classics/hot rod market seriously. Valvoline con=
ventional was the least expensive, at under $7.00/qt.<div><br></div><div>As=
 a side note, I&#39;ve been using conventional oil because my experience wi=
th old seals and synthetic oil hasn&#39;t been good. An oil company rep tol=
d me that in their experience, synthetics have an improved detergent effect=
 that points up wear in old seals that&#39;s been masked by a buildup of co=
ntaminants. It&#39;s a theory...<br><div><br></div><div>Back to some of the=
 earlier discussions...Correct me if I&#39;m wrong, but Castrol seems to be=
 the least forthcoming about ZDDP levels in their oils - I wasn&#39;t able =
to find a table specifying zinc in ppm for GTX. Rimmer Bros. in the UK sell=
s something that looks like a Castrol for old cars, but I didn&#39;t see th=
at available here. Not knowing, would you want to add ZDDP? I don&#39;t kno=
w.</div><div><br></div><div>For an MGB with a catalyst, I&#39;d probably th=
ink about using an oil with a known amount of ZDDP (ppm). Some oil companie=
s publish this level. I&#39;ve seen between 600 ppm and 1200 ppm. It&#39;s =
sort of a crap shoot with a bottle of additive, given that you might not kn=
ow the concentration.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><br><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul =
7, 2019 at 7:08 AM Charley Robinson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>=
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;b=
order-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
 =20
   =20
 =20
  <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">
    Maybe you haven&#39;t looked hard enough.=C2=A0 I bought two quarts of =
20W50
    VR1 yesterday at my local Autozone.=C2=A0 The other local stores carry =
it
    too.=C2=A0 The first bullet on the back label calls it &quot;High
    Performance/Racing Oil&quot;. Here&#39;s a blurb from Valvoline&#39;s w=
ebsite: <a href=3D"https://sharena21.springcm.com/Public/Document/18452/18b=
dee61-0a7e-e711-9c10-ac162d889bd3/a61538b4-0cbd-e711-9c12-ac162d889bd1" tar=
get=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">https://sharena21.springcm.com/Public/Doc=
ument/18452/18bdee61-0a7e-e711-9c10-ac162d889bd3/a61538b4-0cbd-e711-9c12-ac=
162d889bd1</a><br>
    <br>
    I&#39;ve been using=C2=A0 20W50 VR1 in my &#39;69 MGB for the last 5 ye=
ars or
    so.=C2=A0 I use synthetics in my newer cars.<br>
    <br>
    CR<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class=3D"m_-2961393751678298098gmail-m_-4215837252036478448moz-cit=
e-prefix">On 7/6/2019 10:01 PM, Chris Attias
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
     =20
      <div dir=3D"ltr">I don&#39;t claim exhaustive knowledge about all rac=
ing
        oils. Valvoline VR1 is primarily made for racing, and I&#39;d call
        it a specialty oil. Not something I&#39;ve seen on the shelves at
        local auto parts stores. <br>
        <div><br>
        </div>
      </div>
      <br>
      <div class=3D"gmail_quote">
        <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 6:40 P=
M
          Charley Robinson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
        </div>
        <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
          <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"> Sorry, I don&#39;t agree unless you see
            Valvoline as a specialty motor oil supplier.<br>
            <br>
            CR<br>
            <br>
            <div class=3D"m_-2961393751678298098gmail-m_-421583725203647844=
8gmail-m_7183647943737747142moz-cite-prefix">On
              7/6/2019 10:28 AM, Chris Attias wrote:<br>
            </div>
            <blockquote type=3D"cite">
              <div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
                <div>As classifications change, old oil formulations
                  become obsolete, the appropriate oil for flat tappet
                  engines has become pretty much the product of
                  specialty oil companies like Royal Purple, Driven/Joe
                  Gibbs, Red Line, Lucas, and Collectors Choice (Moss).<br>
                </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                Chris
                <div><br>
                  <div class=3D"gmail_quote">
                    <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 5,
                      2019 at 10:32 PM Charley Robinson via Mgs &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">mgs@aut=
ox.team.net</a>&gt;
                      wrote:<br>
                    </div>
                    <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                      <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"> I&#39;ve been reading up on=
 it
                        to refresh my memory.=C2=A0 A lot of folks just tak=
e
                        other peoples&#39; word for it.<br>
                        <br>
                        CR<br>
                        <br>
                        <div class=3D"m_-2961393751678298098gmail-m_-421583=
7252036478448gmail-m_7183647943737747142gmail-m_-7918293755375773193moz-cit=
e-prefix">On
                          7/5/2019 9:02 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:<br>
                        </div>
                        <blockquote type=3D"cite"> Only certain weights.
                          You have to read the labels, or usually the
                          spec sheets.
                          <div><br>
                            <div>
                              <div>--</div>
                              <div>Max Heim</div>
                              <div><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targ=
et=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a></div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <br class=3D"m_-2961393751678298098gmail-m_-4=
215837252036478448gmail-m_7183647943737747142gmail-m_-7918293755375773193Ap=
ple-interchange-newline">
                            </div>
                            <br>
                            <div>
                              <blockquote type=3D"cite">
                                <div>On Jul 5, 2019, at 6:15 PM, FrankK
                                  &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
t" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                                  wrote:</div>
                                <br class=3D"m_-2961393751678298098gmail-m_=
-4215837252036478448gmail-m_7183647943737747142gmail-m_-7918293755375773193=
Apple-interchange-newline">
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                                  <div dir=3D"ltr">
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                                      <div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-fam=
ily:Calibri">
                                        <div>I assume all those brands
                                          include the correct ZDDP
                                          proportions./ </div>
                                        <div style=3D"font-size:small;text-=
decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;di=
splay:inline">
                                          <div style=3D"font:10pt tahoma">
                                            <div>=C2=A0</div>
                                            <div style=3D"background:rgb(24=
5,245,245)">
                                              <div><b>From:</b> <a title=3D=
"[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer">Max
                                                  Heim</a> </div>
                                              <div><b>Sent:</b> Friday,
                                                July 5, 2019 9:02 PM</div>
                                              <div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"f=
[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer">FrankK</a>
                                                ; <a title=3D"[email-masked]=
m.net" rel=3D"noreferrer">MG
                                                  List</a> </div>
                                              <div><b>Subject:</b> Re:
                                                [Mgs] Oil Additive</div>
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Valvoline VR-1 full synthetic is available from =
https://stores.advanceautoparts.com/

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Free shipping after $25, which is 3 quarts and arrives in about 3 days.  =
Has lots of zddp.  Been using it for years.  And we autocross the car.   =
Highly recommended along with WIX filters.

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From: Mgs <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Chris Attias via Mgs
Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2019 10:01 PM
To: [email-masked]
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Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive

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I don't claim exhaustive knowledge about all racing oils. Valvoline VR1 =
is primarily made for racing, and I'd call it a specialty oil. Not =
something I've seen on the shelves at local auto parts stores. The most =
non-specialty oil I've seen is Mobil 1 15W-50, with an API =
classification SN, that has 1200 ppm zinc, and isn't recommended for =
extended use in cars with catalytic convertors.=20

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On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 6:40 PM Charley Robinson <[email-masked] =

Sorry, I don't agree unless you see Valvoline as a specialty motor oil =
supplier.

CR

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As classifications change, old oil formulations become obsolete, the =
appropriate oil for flat tappet engines has become pretty much the =
product of specialty oil companies like Royal Purple, Driven/Joe Gibbs, =
Red Line, Lucas, and Collectors Choice (Moss).

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Chris=20

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I've been reading up on it to refresh my memory.  A lot of folks just =
take other peoples' word for it.

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sheets.=20

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I assume all those brands include the correct ZDDP proportions./=20

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>Valvoline =
VR-1 full synthetic is available from <a =
href=3D"https://stores.advanceautoparts.com/">https://stores.advanceautop=
arts.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Free shipping after $25, which is 3 quarts and arrives =
in about 3 days.=C2=A0 Has lots of zddp.=C2=A0 Been using it for =
years.=C2=A0 And we autocross the car.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Highly recommended =
along with WIX filters.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> =
Mgs &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Chris Attias =
via Mgs<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 6, 2019 10:01 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Cc:</b> Mga List =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mgs] Oil =
Additive<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I don't claim exhaustive knowledge about all racing =
oils. Valvoline VR1 is primarily made for racing, and I'd call it a =
specialty oil. Not something I've seen on the shelves at local auto =
parts stores. The most non-specialty oil I've seen is Mobil 1 15W-50, =
with an API classification SN, that has 1200 ppm zinc, and isn't =
recommended for extended use in cars with catalytic =
convertors.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 6:40 PM Charley Robinson &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Sorry, I don't agree unless you see =
Valvoline as a specialty motor oil =
supplier.<br><br>CR<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On 7/6/2019 =
10:28 AM, Chris Attias wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>As =
classifications change, old oil formulations become obsolete, the =
appropriate oil for flat tappet engines has become pretty much the =
product of specialty oil companies like Royal Purple, Driven/Joe Gibbs, =
Red Line, Lucas, and Collectors Choice =
(Moss).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Chris =
<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 10:32 PM Charley Robinson via Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I've been reading up on it to refresh my =
memory.&nbsp; A lot of folks just take other peoples' word for =
it.<br><br>CR<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On 7/5/2019 9:02 =
PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal>Only =
certain weights. You have to read the labels, or usually the spec =
sheets. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>--<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Max =
Heim<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On Jul 5, 2019, at 6:15 PM, FrankK &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>I assume all those =
brands include the correct ZDDP proportions./ =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>&nbsp;<o:p></o=
:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
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om:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> =
Max Heim </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Se=
nt:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> =
Friday, July 5, 2019 9:02 PM</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>To=
:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> =
FrankK ; MG List </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Su=
bject:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> =
Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><=
p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Right, but there =
are other brands. I use Mobil1 15W50. Others use Royal Purple, Joe =
Gibbs, Kendall or AMSoil brands. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p=
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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>--<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Max =
Heim<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><o:p></o:p></span></=
p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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Attias</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>8117 Azalea =
Dr.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Felton, CA =
95018</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>home: =
831.335.2275</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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I use that as well.

Napa and some AutoZone locations here stock it here.

On Sun, Jul 7, 2019, 3:29 PM dave via Mgs <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Valvoline VR-1 full synthetic is available from
> Free shipping after $25, which is 3 quarts and arrives in about 3 days.
> Has lots of zddp.  Been using it for years.  And we autocross the car.
> *From:* Mgs <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *Chris Attias via
> Mgs
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 6, 2019 10:01 PM
> *To:* [email-masked]
> *Cc:* Mga List <[email-masked]>

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<div dir=3D"auto"><div>I use that as well.=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div=
><div dir=3D"auto">Napa and some AutoZone locations here stock it here.</di=
v><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><br><br><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 7, 2019=
, 3:29 PM dave via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mgs@autox.=
team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=
=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div class=3D"m_29013892281010383=
62WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Valvoline VR-1 full synthetic is ava=
ilable from <a href=3D"https://stores.advanceautoparts.com/" target=3D"_bla=
nk" rel=3D"noreferrer">https://stores.advanceautoparts.com/</a><u></u><u></=
u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
>Free shipping after $25, which is 3 quarts and arrives in about 3 days.=C2=
=A0 Has lots of zddp.=C2=A0 Been using it for years.=C2=A0 And we autocross=
 the car.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Highly recommended along with WIX filters.<u></u><u><=
/u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><b>From:</b> Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>On Beh=
alf Of </b>Chris Attias via Mgs<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 6, 2019 10:0=
1 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" r=
el=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Cc:</b> Mga List &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">Mgs@aut=
ox.team.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive<u></u><u></u>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al">I don&#39;t claim exhaustive knowledge about all racing oils. Valvoline=
 VR1 is primarily made for racing, and I&#39;d call it a specialty oil. Not=
 something I&#39;ve seen on the shelves at local auto parts stores. The mos=
t non-specialty oil I&#39;ve seen is Mobil 1 15W-50, with an API classifica=
tion SN, that has 1200 ppm zinc, and isn&#39;t recommended for extended use=
 in cars with catalytic convertors.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u><=
/u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at=
 6:40 PM Charley Robinson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></=
u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0p=
t;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Sorry, I don&#39;t agree un=
less you see Valvoline as a specialty motor oil supplier.<br><br>CR<u></u><=
u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 7/6/2019 10:28 AM, Chris Attias wr=
ote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bo=
ttom:5.0pt"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal">As classifications change, old oil formulations become obs=
olete, the appropriate oil for flat tappet engines has become pretty much t=
he product of specialty oil companies like Royal Purple, Driven/Joe Gibbs, =
Red Line, Lucas, and Collectors Choice (Moss).<u></u><u></u></p></div><div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
>Chris <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 10:32 PM Charley =
Robinson via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank=
" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></d=
iv><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding=
:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">I&#39;ve been reading up on it to re=
fresh my memory.=C2=A0 A lot of folks just take other peoples&#39; word for=
 it.<br><br>CR<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 7/5/2019 9:0=
2 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"m=
argin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Only certain we=
ights. You have to read the labels, or usually the spec sheets. <u></u><u><=
/u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal">--<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Max =
Heim<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"mailto:m=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a><=
u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>=
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;m=
argin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Jul 5, 2019, at 6:15 PM,=
 FrankK &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><div><div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">I assume all those bra=
nds include the correct ZDDP proportions./ <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><=
div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-f=
amily:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><=
div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:whitesmoke"><b><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif;color:bla=
ck">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahom=
a&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"> Max Heim </span><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p><=
/div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:whitesmoke"><b><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif;color:bl=
ack">Sent:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Taho=
ma&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"> Friday, July 5, 2019 9:02 PM</span><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif"><u></u=
><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:wh=
itesmoke"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;=
,sans-serif;color:black">To:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font=
-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"> FrankK ; MG List </span=
><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif"=
><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"backgr=
ound:whitesmoke"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahom=
a&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Subject:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size=
:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"> Re: [Mgs] O=
il Additive</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&=
quot;,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span>=
</p></div></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt=
">Right, but there are other brands. I use Mobil1 15W50. Others use Royal P=
urple, Joe Gibbs, Kendall or AMSoil brands. <u></u><u></u></span></p><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u>=
</span></p></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:=
12.0pt">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">--<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Max Heim<u></u><u></=
u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.=
0pt"><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferre=
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From: Steven Trovato via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2019 18:00:04 -0400

I figure that oil companies have put together a 
package where all the detergents and other 
components play nicely together.  Since oil is 
available that is appropriate for old cars with 
enough ZDDP, I'll let the company be responsible 
for the whole package and not mess around with 
it.  When Castrol made their Syntec 20W50 "for 
classic cars" I used that.  When they 
discontinued that, I switched to the Mobil 1 
15W50.  It is easy to find at a good price at 
Walmart.  The Valvoline is a fine choice as well.

-Steve T.

At 11:50 AM 7/5/2019, FrankK via Mgs wrote:
>There was a great deal of  discussion here 
>regarding the use of different oil to compensate 
>for the lack of ZDDP in oil these days.  I 
>didn’t see anyone include a discussion of the 
>practice of adding ZDDP to oil that is lacking 
>in it.  There are several sources where it is 
>available and I have availed myself of it and 
>Is there a problem in doing this in lieu of using Valvoline Racing Oil say?
>Frank Krajewski
>___________________

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From: Richard Lindsay via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 15:14:14 -0700

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Additives do nothing, or less, for healthy engines...except for the zinc
stuff being discussed. However, there are additives that are Bandaids for
weak or damaged engines.

'Restore' has something within that swells leaking valve stem seals,
allowing a few more smoke-free miles from a high mileage car. Evidence: My
son's zillion mile E-class Mercedes when in highschool, two decades ago.

'STP', of all things, adds just a bit more viscosity to the straight 50
weight oil in my 150k plus Land Rover, lending a bit more pressure at hot
idle. Read: The oil light no longer flickers at idle in 100=C2=B0F traffic.

Right or wrong,

Rick

On Sun, Jul 7, 2019, 3:01 PM Steven Trovato via Mgs <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> >didn=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t see anyone include a discussion of the

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<div dir=3D"auto">Additives do nothing, or less, for healthy engines...exce=
pt for the zinc stuff being discussed. However, there are additives that ar=
e Bandaids for weak or damaged engines.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"auto">&#39;Restore&#39; has something within that swells leaking valve =
stem seals, allowing a few more smoke-free miles from a high mileage car. E=
vidence: My son&#39;s zillion mile E-class Mercedes when in highschool, two=
 decades ago.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">&#39;STP&#=
39;, of all things, adds just a bit more viscosity to the straight 50 weigh=
t oil in my 150k plus Land Rover, lending a bit more pressure at hot idle. =
Read: The oil light no longer flickers at idle in 100=C2=B0F traffic.</div>=
<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Right or wrong,</div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Rick</div></div><br><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 7, 2019, 3:01 P=
M Steven Trovato via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mgs@auto=
x.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I figure=
 that oil companies have put together a <br>
package where all the detergents and other <br>
components play nicely together.=C2=A0 Since oil is <br>
available that is appropriate for old cars with <br>
enough ZDDP, I&#39;ll let the company be responsible <br>
for the whole package and not mess around with <br>
it.=C2=A0 When Castrol made their Syntec 20W50 &quot;for <br>
classic cars&quot; I used that.=C2=A0 When they <br>
discontinued that, I switched to the Mobil 1 <br>
15W50.=C2=A0 It is easy to find at a good price at <br>
Walmart.=C2=A0 The Valvoline is a fine choice as well.<br>
<br>
-Steve T.<br>
<br>
At 11:50 AM 7/5/2019, FrankK via Mgs wrote:<br>
&gt;There was a great deal of=C2=A0 discussion here <br>
&gt;regarding the use of different oil to compensate <br>
&gt;for the lack of ZDDP in oil these days.=C2=A0 I <br>
&gt;didn=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t see anyone include a discussion of the <b=
r>
&gt;practice of adding ZDDP to oil that is lacking <br>
&gt;in it.=C2=A0 There are several sources where it is <br>
&gt;available and I have availed myself of it and <br>
&gt;added it to my=C2=A0 Castrol 20-50 when I change the oil in my 80 MGBLE=
.<br>
&gt;Is there a problem in doing this in lieu of using Valvoline Racing Oil =
say?<br>
&gt;Frank Krajewski<br>
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From: Steven Trovato via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2019 20:55:37 -0400

Rick,

I wasn't really addressing anything but the ZDDP 
additive mentioned in the original post.  I do 
agree, though, and I do not use any additives.  I 
suppose I might consider it for a specific problem like you mention.

-Steve

At 06:14 PM 7/7/2019, Richard Lindsay wrote:
>Additives do nothing, or less, for healthy 
>engines...except for the zinc stuff being 
>discussed. However, there are additives that are 
>Bandaids for weak or damaged engines.
>
>'Restore' has something within that swells 
>leaking valve stem seals, allowing a few more 
>smoke-free miles from a high mileage car. 
>Evidence: My son's zillion mile E-class Mercedes 
>when in highschool, two decades ago.
>
>'STP', of all things, adds just a bit more 
>viscosity to the straight 50 weight oil in my 
>150k plus Land Rover, lending a bit more 
>pressure at hot idle. Read: The oil light no 
>longer flickers at idle in 100°F traffic.
>
>Right or wrong,
>
>Rick

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