Subject: Re: [Mgs] Something (or things) leaks - how to locate the source?

From: Max Heim via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2019 18:17:08 -0700

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On Jun 1, 2019, at 4:21 PM, Robert's New iPad <[email-masked]> wrote:

Max,
  Sticking some ideas into your list, in hopes that it gets to the =
fellow who initiated the thread.
Bob

On May 31, 2019, at 1:24 PM, Max Heim via Mgs <[email-masked] =

> Not familiar with all the external plumbing on a 1980, but here are =
some known sources of leakage, based on a 18GB engine:
>=20
> OIL
> Rocker cover (extremely common)
   Tighten only gently. More than that bends the cover.
> Side cover plates (very common)
    Accessible from underneath better than from above, though both =
difficult. 7/16 flat ratchet works, and 1/4=E2=80=9D drive sockets work =
better than 3/8=E2=80=9D=20
> Oil filter
  Hand-tighten. If that doesn=E2=80=99t work, replace the filter.
> Oil filter inverter base/oil cooler hose end fitting
   The bolt that holds on the base for the filter can loosen. A lot of =
oil blows out here. Accessible from underneath, though awkward.
> Oil pressure hose fitting
  This may be metric, as well as awkward to access
> Engine rear seal (oil draining from the hole in the bottom of the bell =
housing)
  Be sure the cotter pin is freer to jiggle in the bell housing hole. =
Pin is there to keep the hole open so that leaked oil can drain before =
trashing the clutch.=20
> Engine front seal
  Can be replaced with engine in the car. Radiator must come out.=20
> Oil pan gasket
  Gently !! On these little bolts.  As Paul said, over tightening these =
distorts the oil pan, making the leak worse, not better.   If you end up =
removing the pan, dimple the holes back the other way with ball-pein =
hammer to get the surface flat again.=20
>=20
> COOLANT
> Lower radiator hose (common)
   Rad connection comes up at an odd angle.  I use a 1/4=E2=80=9D long =
extension with screwdriver handle to tighten the clamp.=20
> Upper radiator hose
> Heater hoses
    Got wet feet or smell antifreeze?  If it=E2=80=99s not the hoses, =
the heater core may be leaking.=20
> Thermostat housing
> Water pump gasket
> Water pump shaft seal
   Water pumps are cheap enough, but there are different pumps for =
different engines, fans and air pumps. =20
> Heater valve
    This is a safety feature that generally shorts out the distributor =
before engine overheats from lack of coolant.   John Twist has a tip =
about setting the Bowden cable so that valve is just closed, not jammed =
closed, when the knob clicks off.=20
>=20
> It is very hard to trace many of these unless the surfaces are clean =
and dry to start with. Putting clean cardboard or paper under the car =
while parked may help you find a starting place for investigation.
>=20
> --
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB
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class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><div class=3D"">On Jun 1, 2019, at 4:21 =
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Sticking some ideas into your list, in hopes that it gets to the fellow =
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class=3D"">On May 31, 2019, at 1:24 PM, Max Heim via Mgs &lt;<a =
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class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Not familiar with all the =
external plumbing on a 1980, but here are some known sources of leakage, =
based on a 18GB engine:<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">OIL</div><div class=3D"">Rocker cover (extremely =
common)</div></div></blockquote><span style=3D"font-family: Verdana; =
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inline !important;" class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp;Tighten only gently. More =
than that bends the cover.</span><br style=3D"font-family: Verdana; =
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class=3D""><div class=3D"">Side cover plates (very =
common)</div></div></blockquote><span style=3D"font-family: Verdana; =
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inline !important;" class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; Accessible from underneath =
better than from above, though both difficult. 7/16 flat ratchet works, =
and 1/4=E2=80=9D drive sockets work better than 3/8=E2=80=9D&nbsp;</span><=
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class=3D""><div class=3D"">Oil filter</div></div></blockquote><span =
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display: inline !important;" class=3D"">&nbsp; Hand-tighten. If that =
doesn=E2=80=99t work, replace the filter.</span><br style=3D"font-family: =
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class=3D""><div class=3D"">Oil filter inverter base/oil cooler hose end =
fitting</div></div></blockquote><span style=3D"font-family: Verdana; =
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word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: =
inline !important;" class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp;The bolt that holds on the =
base for the filter can loosen. A lot of oil blows out here. Accessible =
from underneath, though awkward.</span><br style=3D"font-family: =
Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
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class=3D""><div class=3D"">Oil pressure hose =
fitting</div></div></blockquote><span style=3D"font-family: Verdana; =
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inline !important;" class=3D"">&nbsp; This may be metric, as well as =
awkward to access</span><br style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
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none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div class=3D"">Engine rear seal =
(oil draining from the hole in the bottom of the bell =
housing)</div></div></blockquote><span style=3D"font-family: Verdana; =
font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: =
inline !important;" class=3D"">&nbsp; Be sure the cotter pin is freer to =
jiggle in the bell housing hole. Pin is there to keep the hole open so =
that leaked oil can drain before trashing the clutch.&nbsp;</span><br =
style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"font-family: Verdana; =
font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
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start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">Engine front =
seal</div></div></blockquote><span style=3D"font-family: Verdana; =
font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: =
inline !important;" class=3D"">&nbsp; Can be replaced with engine in the =
car. Radiator must come out.&nbsp;</span><br style=3D"font-family: =
Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
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0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; =
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-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">Oil pan gasket</div></div></blockquote><span =
style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; =
display: inline !important;" class=3D"">&nbsp; Gently !! On these little =
bolts. &nbsp;As Paul said, over tightening these distorts the oil pan, =
making the leak worse, not better. &nbsp; If you end up removing the =
pan, dimple the holes back the other way with ball-pein hammer to get =
the surface flat again.&nbsp;</span><br style=3D"font-family: Verdana; =
font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
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letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: =
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; =
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class=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">COOLANT</div><div class=3D"">Lower radiator hose =
(common)</div></div></blockquote><span style=3D"font-family: Verdana; =
font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: =
inline !important;" class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp;Rad connection comes up at =
an odd angle. &nbsp;I use a 1/4=E2=80=9D long extension with screwdriver =
handle to tighten the clamp.&nbsp;</span><br style=3D"font-family: =
Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
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letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: =
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; =
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class=3D""><div class=3D"">Upper radiator hose</div><div class=3D"">Heater=
 hoses</div></div></blockquote><span style=3D"font-family: Verdana; =
font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: =
inline !important;" class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; Got wet feet or smell =
antifreeze? &nbsp;If it=E2=80=99s not the hoses, the heater core may be =
leaking.&nbsp;</span><br style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
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style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div class=3D"">Thermostat =
housing</div><div class=3D"">Water pump gasket</div><div class=3D"">Water =
pump shaft seal</div></div></blockquote><span style=3D"font-family: =
Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: =
inline !important;" class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp;Water pumps are cheap =
enough, but there are different pumps for different engines, fans and =
air pumps. &nbsp;</span><br style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
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style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div class=3D"">Heater =
valve</div></div></blockquote><span style=3D"font-family: Verdana; =
font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: =
inline !important;" class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; This is a safety feature =
that generally shorts out the distributor before engine overheats from =
lack of coolant. &nbsp; John Twist has a tip about setting the Bowden =
cable so that valve is just closed, not jammed closed, when the knob =
clicks off.&nbsp;</span><br style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">It is very hard to trace many of these =
unless the surfaces are clean and dry to start with. Putting clean =
cardboard or paper under the car while parked may help you find a =
starting place for investigation.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div=
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start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
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break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space;"><div class=3D"" style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: =
break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
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13px;">--</div><div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; =
min-height: 16px;">Max Heim</div><div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0px; =
font-size: 13px;">'66 MGB</div></div></div></div><br =
class=3D""></div></div></blockquote></div></div><br =
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From: Max Heim via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2019 14:22:04 -0700

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> On Jun 2, 2019, at 4:21 AM, John Marcell <[email-masked]> wrote:
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From: Steve Shoyer via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2019 17:13:20 -0400

Thanks for the suggestions.  The dye showed slight leaks around the 
valve cover and side cover, but the main flow was coming from the oil 
filter pipe adapter (I'm not sure if that's the right name).  My guess 
is that I need to replace the crush washer that sits between the block 
and oil pipe adapter.  I haven't found a good diagram online - most 
engine diagrams show the other side of the engine, and then the oil 
filter diagrams usually show oil coolers/hoses - but I think the washer 
is Moss 324-800 (or 6K501).  Shipping out a washer (or a few washers) 
costs about 10x the price of the washer, so I'd like to find something 
local if I can, more to save time than money.  Does anyone know if 
there's a generic description of this washer so I can check with local 
auto parts stores?

Two follow-on questions:

1) How can I get access to the adapter so I can replace the washer?
2) As long as I'm removing that adapter, should I just go ahead and 
install an oil cooler?  It would be overkill, but it doesn't seem like 
it would be much more effort, and the cooler kits include the washer. ;-)

Thanks.

--Steve (1980 MGB)

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From: Dan DiBiase via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2019 14:27:29 -0400

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I think there is (or used to be) a Moss re-seller somewhere in NE Mass.....
The one I was thinking of wasn't on this list, but I would try calling
around for either the part you need, or advice on 'what would work'....

https://www.mg-cars.org.uk/garages/Massachusetts.html

Dan D
Central NJ USA
http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/

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<div dir=3D"ltr">I think there is (or used to be) a Moss re-seller somewher=
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would try calling around for either the part you need, or advice on &#39;wh=
at would work&#39;....<div><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://www.mg-cars.or=
g.uk/garages/Massachusetts.html">https://www.mg-cars.org.uk/garages/Massach=
usetts.html</a>=C2=A0=C2=A0<br><div><br></div><div>Dan D</div><div>Central =
NJ USA<br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" dat=
a-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><a href=3D"http://dandibia=
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ir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 5:13 PM Steve Shoyer=
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t; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0p=
x 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Thanks=
 for the suggestions.=C2=A0 The dye showed slight leaks around the <br>
valve cover and side cover, but the main flow was coming from the oil <br>
filter pipe adapter (I&#39;m not sure if that&#39;s the right name).=C2=A0 =
My guess <br>
is that I need to replace the crush washer that sits between the block <br>
and oil pipe adapter.=C2=A0 I haven&#39;t found a good diagram online - mos=
t <br>
engine diagrams show the other side of the engine, and then the oil <br>
filter diagrams usually show oil coolers/hoses - but I think the washer <br=
is Moss 324-800 (or 6K501).=C2=A0 Shipping out a washer (or a few washers) =
<br>
costs about 10x the price of the washer, so I&#39;d like to find something =
<br>
local if I can, more to save time than money.=C2=A0 Does anyone know if <br=
there&#39;s a generic description of this washer so I can check with local =
<br>
auto parts stores?<br>
<br>
Two follow-on questions:<br>
<br>
1) How can I get access to the adapter so I can replace the washer?<br>
2) As long as I&#39;m removing that adapter, should I just go ahead and <br=
install an oil cooler?=C2=A0 It would be overkill, but it doesn&#39;t seem =
like <br>
it would be much more effort, and the cooler kits include the washer. ;-)<b=
r>
<br>
Thanks.<br>
<br>
--Steve (1980 MGB)<br>
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