Subject: Re: [Mgs] Something (or things) leaks - how to locate the source?

From: PaulHunt73 via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 08:56:56 +0100 PQK7239wX3dEa48cB8Rm6H+Nt/YbfS/3IAmd1q/HR3tO9VStNwK/QBSKCNWTAMA8cslVJ3CHhP9IJw==

Fluids can travel other than straight down even on a stopped engine, more so 
with a running engine, and especially coolant which can be flung everywhere 
if you have a water pump seal leak.

Start from the top and work down, cleaning and solving as you go, puffing 
talc can be pretty good at showing a source.

If you see a leak unless the fastening is actually loose further tightening 
rarely stops it.  In fact it can make things worse as it can distort the 
faces and make the gap bigger.

PaulH.

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> After working on my 1980 MGB last summer I had the car running but it was 
> leaking. I parked it on the lift and I'm just getting back to it now. It 
> seems to be leaking both oil and coolant. 

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From: Dan DiBiase via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 07:14:42 -0400

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The coolant leak where it's gathering on the cross member seems to me to be
a leak either from the lower radiator hose or the water pump. Have had both
of those on my '76 and that is where the coolant tended to gather.

Dan D
Central NJ USA
http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/

On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 2:32 AM Steve Shoyer via Mgs <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> After working on my 1980 MGB last summer I had the car running but it
> was leaking.  I parked it on the lift and I'm just getting back to it
> now.  It seems to be leaking both oil and coolant.  I'm hoping that the
> leaks are coming from different places, but I'm not quite sure where to
> look.  When the car was parked, I noticed some coolant seeping out (and
> dripping onto the car parked under the lift) but I couldn't find the
> source.  Today, while the car was running, I saw oil dripping from the
> engine back plate.  It looks like some oil was escaping at the fitting
> where the metal oil pipe that leads to the filter connects to the block
> - I tried to tighten it as much as possible, but it was hard to access.
> Oil is also dripping from the rim of the oil pan near the rear plate.
> Most of the oil pan rim has oil on it, with green coolant around the rim
> in spots as well.  I don't think that the oil and coolant are mixed
> together - the oil dripping on the ground just looks like oil, and I
> didn't see any foaming or anything other than oil under the cap in the
> valve cover.  Still, it has me worried.
>
> I watched some John Twist videos on finding leaks and he said that the
> sump gaskets don't leak, so maybe the oil is coming from one (or more)
> place and the coolant is coming from another and that's just a
> convenient place for them to collect
>
> I noticed some coolant around the lower radiator hose, so I tightened
> the clamp to see if that would help.  Judging from the stain on the car
> under the MG, the coolant seems to be dripping from the front
> cross-member, but I couldn't see where it was coming from.  The coolant
> leaked while the car was just sitting, not a huge amount but it was
> noticeable when it dripped onto the other car's hood.  There were some
> oil drips hanging onto many of the engine bay components, like the bolts
> on the oil filter head, the starter, etc. - there was a drop on most of
> the lowest points of the components.
>
> Last year I pulled the engine to replace the cam and clutch, along with
> the other standard things to replace when doing those jobs.  Because it
> was my first time doing engine work, it wouldn't surprise me if I
> screwed some of it up.
>
> I picked up some UV dye to put into the oil, but is there anything else
> I can do to figure out what's leaking?  Thanks.
>
> --Steve
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">The coolant leak where it&#39;s gathering on the cross mem=
ber seems to me to be a leak either from the lower radiator hose or the wat=
er pump. Have had both of those on my &#39;76 and that is where the coolant=
 tended to gather.<div><br></div><div>Dan D</div><div>Central NJ USA<br cle=
ar=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=
=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><a href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouc=
h.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a></div></div><=
/div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 2:32 AM Steve Shoyer via Mgs &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></=
div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bor=
der-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">After working on my 1=
980 MGB last summer I had the car running but it <br>
was leaking.=C2=A0 I parked it on the lift and I&#39;m just getting back to=
 it <br>
now.=C2=A0 It seems to be leaking both oil and coolant.=C2=A0 I&#39;m hopin=
g that the <br>
leaks are coming from different places, but I&#39;m not quite sure where to=
 <br>
look.=C2=A0 When the car was parked, I noticed some coolant seeping out (an=
d <br>
dripping onto the car parked under the lift) but I couldn&#39;t find the <b=
r>
source.=C2=A0 Today, while the car was running, I saw oil dripping from the=
 <br>
engine back plate.=C2=A0 It looks like some oil was escaping at the fitting=
 <br>
where the metal oil pipe that leads to the filter connects to the block <br=
- I tried to tighten it as much as possible, but it was hard to access.=C2=
=A0 <br>
Oil is also dripping from the rim of the oil pan near the rear plate. <br>
Most of the oil pan rim has oil on it, with green coolant around the rim <b=
r>
in spots as well.=C2=A0 I don&#39;t think that the oil and coolant are mixe=
d <br>
together - the oil dripping on the ground just looks like oil, and I <br>
didn&#39;t see any foaming or anything other than oil under the cap in the =
<br>
valve cover.=C2=A0 Still, it has me worried.<br>
<br>
I watched some John Twist videos on finding leaks and he said that the <br>
sump gaskets don&#39;t leak, so maybe the oil is coming from one (or more) =
<br>
place and the coolant is coming from another and that&#39;s just a <br>
convenient place for them to collect<br>
<br>
I noticed some coolant around the lower radiator hose, so I tightened <br>
the clamp to see if that would help.=C2=A0 Judging from the stain on the ca=
r <br>
under the MG, the coolant seems to be dripping from the front <br>
cross-member, but I couldn&#39;t see where it was coming from.=C2=A0 The co=
olant <br>
leaked while the car was just sitting, not a huge amount but it was <br>
noticeable when it dripped onto the other car&#39;s hood.=C2=A0 There were =
some <br>
oil drips hanging onto many of the engine bay components, like the bolts <b=
r>
on the oil filter head, the starter, etc. - there was a drop on most of <br=
the lowest points of the components.<br>
<br>
Last year I pulled the engine to replace the cam and clutch, along with <br=
the other standard things to replace when doing those jobs.=C2=A0 Because i=
t <br>
was my first time doing engine work, it wouldn&#39;t surprise me if I <br>
screwed some of it up.<br>
<br>
I picked up some UV dye to put into the oil, but is there anything else <br=
I can do to figure out what&#39;s leaking?=C2=A0 Thanks.<br>
<br>
--Steve<br>
<br>
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From: Max Heim via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 10:24:08 -0700

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Not familiar with all the external plumbing on a 1980, but here are some =
known sources of leakage, based on a 18GB engine:

OIL
Rocker cover (extremely common)
Side cover plates (very common)
Oil filter
Oil filter inverter base/oil cooler hose end fitting
Oil pressure hose fitting
Engine rear seal (oil draining from the hole in the bottom of the bell =
housing)
Engine front seal
Oil pan gasket

COOLANT
Lower radiator hose (common)
Upper radiator hose
Heater hoses
Thermostat housing
Water pump gasket
Water pump shaft seal
Heater valve

It is very hard to trace many of these unless the surfaces are clean and =
dry to start with. Putting clean cardboard or paper under the car while =
parked may help you find a starting place for investigation.

--
Max Heim
'66 MGB

> On May 31, 2019, at 4:14 AM, Dan DiBiase via Mgs <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
>=20
> The coolant leak where it's gathering on the cross member seems to me =
to be a leak either from the lower radiator hose or the water pump. Have =
had both of those on my '76 and that is where the coolant tended to =
gather.
>=20
> Dan D
> Central NJ USA
> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ <http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/>
>=20
> On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 2:32 AM Steve Shoyer via Mgs =
> After working on my 1980 MGB last summer I had the car running but it=20=

> was leaking.  I parked it on the lift and I'm just getting back to it=20=

> now.  It seems to be leaking both oil and coolant.  I'm hoping that =
the=20
> leaks are coming from different places, but I'm not quite sure where =
to=20
> look.  When the car was parked, I noticed some coolant seeping out =
(and=20
> dripping onto the car parked under the lift) but I couldn't find the=20=

> source.  Today, while the car was running, I saw oil dripping from the=20=

> engine back plate.  It looks like some oil was escaping at the fitting=20=

> where the metal oil pipe that leads to the filter connects to the =
block=20
> - I tried to tighten it as much as possible, but it was hard to =
access. =20
> Oil is also dripping from the rim of the oil pan near the rear plate.=20=

> Most of the oil pan rim has oil on it, with green coolant around the =
rim=20
> in spots as well.  I don't think that the oil and coolant are mixed=20
> together - the oil dripping on the ground just looks like oil, and I=20=

> didn't see any foaming or anything other than oil under the cap in the=20=

>=20
> I watched some John Twist videos on finding leaks and he said that the=20=

> sump gaskets don't leak, so maybe the oil is coming from one (or more)=20=

> place and the coolant is coming from another and that's just a=20
>=20
> I noticed some coolant around the lower radiator hose, so I tightened=20=

> the clamp to see if that would help.  Judging from the stain on the =
car=20
> under the MG, the coolant seems to be dripping from the front=20
> cross-member, but I couldn't see where it was coming from.  The =
coolant=20
> leaked while the car was just sitting, not a huge amount but it was=20
> noticeable when it dripped onto the other car's hood.  There were some=20=

> oil drips hanging onto many of the engine bay components, like the =
bolts=20
> on the oil filter head, the starter, etc. - there was a drop on most =
of=20
>=20
> Last year I pulled the engine to replace the cam and clutch, along =
with=20
> the other standard things to replace when doing those jobs.  Because =
it=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html =
charset=3Dus-ascii"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Not familiar with all the external plumbing on a 1980, but =
here are some known sources of leakage, based on a 18GB engine:<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">OIL</div><div =
class=3D"">Rocker cover (extremely common)</div><div class=3D"">Side =
cover plates (very common)</div><div class=3D"">Oil filter</div><div =
class=3D"">Oil filter inverter base/oil cooler hose end =
fitting</div><div class=3D"">Oil pressure hose fitting</div><div =
class=3D"">Engine rear seal (oil draining from the hole in the bottom of =
the bell housing)</div><div class=3D"">Engine front seal</div><div =
class=3D"">Oil pan gasket</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">COOLANT</div><div class=3D"">Lower radiator hose =
(common)</div><div class=3D"">Upper radiator hose</div><div =
class=3D"">Heater hoses</div><div class=3D"">Thermostat =
housing</div><div class=3D"">Water pump gasket</div><div class=3D"">Water =
pump shaft seal</div><div class=3D"">Heater valve</div><div class=3D""><br=
 class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">It is very hard to trace many of these =
unless the surfaces are clean and dry to start with. Putting clean =
cardboard or paper under the car while parked may help you find a =
starting place for investigation.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div=
 class=3D"">
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; text-align: =
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
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after-white-space;" class=3D""><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px;" =
class=3D"">--</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; =
min-height: 16px;" class=3D"">Max Heim</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; =
font-size: 13px;" class=3D"">'66 MGB</div></div></div>
</div>

<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On May 31, 2019, at 4:14 AM, Dan DiBiase via Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
class=3D"">The coolant leak where it's gathering on the cross member =
seems to me to be a leak either from the lower radiator hose or the =
water pump. Have had both of those on my '76 and that is where the =
coolant tended to gather.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Dan D</div><div class=3D"">Central NJ USA<br clear=3D"all" =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" =
data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><a =
href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a></div></div></div><br =
class=3D""></div></div><br style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 2:32 AM Steve =
Shoyer via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; =
border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">After working =
on my 1980 MGB last summer I had the car running but it<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D"">was =
leaking.&nbsp; I parked it on the lift and I'm just getting back to =
it<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br =
class=3D"">now.&nbsp; It seems to be leaking both oil and coolant.&nbsp; =
I'm hoping that the<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br =
class=3D"">leaks are coming from different places, but I'm not quite =
sure where to<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br =
class=3D"">look.&nbsp; When the car was parked, I noticed some coolant =
seeping out (and<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br =
class=3D"">dripping onto the car parked under the lift) but I couldn't =
find the<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br =
class=3D"">source.&nbsp; Today, while the car was running, I saw oil =
dripping from the<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br =
class=3D"">engine back plate.&nbsp; It looks like some oil was escaping =
at the fitting<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br =
class=3D"">where the metal oil pipe that leads to the filter connects to =
the block<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br =
class=3D"">- I tried to tighten it as much as possible, but it was hard =
to access.&nbsp;<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br =
class=3D"">Oil is also dripping from the rim of the oil pan near the =
rear plate.<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br =
class=3D"">Most of the oil pan rim has oil on it, with green coolant =
around the rim<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br =
class=3D"">in spots as well.&nbsp; I don't think that the oil and =
coolant are mixed<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br =
class=3D"">together - the oil dripping on the ground just looks like =
oil, and I<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br =
class=3D"">didn't see any foaming or anything other than oil under the =
cap in the<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br =
class=3D"">valve cover.&nbsp; Still, it has me worried.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">I watched some John Twist videos on finding leaks and he said =
that the<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br =
class=3D"">sump gaskets don't leak, so maybe the oil is coming from one =
(or more)<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br =
class=3D"">place and the coolant is coming from another and that's just =
a<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br =
class=3D"">convenient place for them to collect<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">I noticed some coolant around the lower radiator hose, so I =
tightened<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br =
class=3D"">the clamp to see if that would help.&nbsp; Judging from the =
stain on the car<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br =
class=3D"">under the MG, the coolant seems to be dripping from the =
front<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br =
class=3D"">cross-member, but I couldn't see where it was coming =
from.&nbsp; The coolant<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D"">leaked while =
the car was just sitting, not a huge amount but it was<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D"">noticeable =
when it dripped onto the other car's hood.&nbsp; There were some<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D"">oil drips =
hanging onto many of the engine bay components, like the bolts<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D"">on the oil =
filter head, the starter, etc. - there was a drop on most of<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D"">the lowest =
points of the components.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Last year I =
pulled the engine to replace the cam and clutch, along with<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D"">the other =
standard things to replace when doing those jobs.&nbsp; Because it<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D"">was my first =
time doing engine work, it wouldn't surprise me if I<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D"">screwed some =
of it up.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">I picked up some UV dye to put =
into the oil, but is there anything else<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D"">I can do to =
figure out what's leaking?&nbsp; Thanks.<br class=3D""><br =
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