Subject: Re: [Mgs] bad clutch or?

From: PaulHunt73 via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 08:17:43 +0100 UejfMZs0+GgcEYo4lvTkPUNHs8GhgktdURxZ3tnekf1kFHcdwRllOxLJl87CBSyfK5bm5p6twSQT+w==

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Agree, it would be like the clutch was fully engaged.  Most likely =
hydraulics as said, or possibly pilot bearing or friction plate binding.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  I=E2=80=99d check hydraulics first. If it was stuck I think =
you=E2=80=99d be doing more than creeping.

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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Agree, it would be like the clutch was fully=20
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Picked it up today =E2=80=93 when you start it in gear, it starts =
moving.  Accelerate and it goes, and if you put in the clutch, it takes =
most of the pressure off but it still creeps.

=20

Am thinking  that I=E2=80=99ll bleed the clutch slave cylinder.

=20

After that I=E2=80=99m thinking I need to replace the clutch . . .

=20

From: PaulHunt73 <[email-masked]>=20
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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>Picked it up today =E2=80=93 =
when you start it in gear, it starts moving.=C2=A0 Accelerate and it =
goes, and if you put in the clutch, it takes most of the pressure off =
but it still creeps.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Am =
thinking=C2=A0 that I=E2=80=99ll bleed the clutch slave =
cylinder.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>After that I=E2=80=99m thinking I need to replace the =
clutch . . .<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> PaulHunt73 =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 20, 2019 =
2:18 AM<br><b>To:</b> dave &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mgs] bad clutch =
or?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Agree, it would be like the clutch was fully =
engaged.&nbsp;&nbsp;Most likely&nbsp;hydraulics as said, or possibly =
pilot bearing or friction plate =
binding.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>----- Original =
Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I=E2=80=99d check hydraulics first. If it was stuck I =
think you=E2=80=99d be doing more than =
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From: FrankK via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 22:50:51 -0400

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When that happened in my MGA  it was the hose to the slave cylinder that =
had failed.  It  is not apparent from just looking at it because the =
failure is inside the hose, same as the brake line hoses.   That was an =
easier fix than replacing the clutch.    Even replacing the slave or =
rebuilding it is far less labor intensive than pulling the motor and  =
gearbox to get to the disc and pressure plate.=20
Frank Krajewski

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Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 2:29 PM
To: [email-masked]=20
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<DIV>When that happened in my MGA&nbsp; it was the hose to the slave =
cylinder=20
that had failed.&nbsp; It&nbsp; is not apparent from just looking at it =
because=20
the failure is inside the hose, same as the brake line =
hoses.&nbsp;&nbsp; That=20
was an easier fix than replacing the clutch.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Even =
replacing=20
the slave or rebuilding it is far less labor intensive than pulling the =
motor=20
and&nbsp; gearbox to get to the disc and pressure plate. </DIV>
<DIV>Frank Krajewski</DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal>Picked it up today =E2=80=93 when you start it in =
gear, it starts=20
moving.&nbsp; Accelerate and it goes, and if you put in the clutch, it =
takes=20
most of the pressure off but it still creeps.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><o:p></o:p>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>Am thinking&nbsp; that I=E2=80=99ll bleed the =
clutch slave=20
cylinder.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><o:p></o:p>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>After that I=E2=80=99m thinking I need to replace =
the clutch . .=20
.<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><B>From:</B> PaulHunt73 =
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<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 20, 2019 2:18 AM<BR><B>To:</B> dave=20
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<BR><B>Cc:</B> =
[email-masked]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:=20
[Mgs] bad clutch or?<o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Agree, it would be =
like the=20
clutch was fully engaged.&nbsp; Most likely hydraulics as said, or =
possibly=20
pilot bearing or friction plate binding.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
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  <P class=3DMsoNormal>I=E2=80=99d check hydraulics first. If it was =
stuck I think you=E2=80=99d=20
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From: Hans Duinhoven via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 21:06:41 +0200

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Agree with you Frank,

I had the same with the original clutch slave hose.

Due to being old, the hose was not letting any fluid through anymore.

Also my advise to replace the slave cylinder piston rubber.

Low cost, easy to do.

Clean thoroughly and have the cylinder wall of the slave cylinder well chec=
ked for burr markings.

Make everything smooth before reassembling and your slave cylinder will wor=
k well for ages.

Cheers,

Hans 71 BGT NRG

Van: Mgs [mailto:[email-masked]] Namens FrankK via Mgs
Verzonden: dinsdag 21 mei 2019 4:51
Aan: dave
CC: [email-masked]
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] bad clutch or?

When that happened in my MGA  it was the hose to the slave cylinder that ha=
d failed.  It  is not apparent from just looking at it because the failure =
is inside the hose, same as the brake line hoses.   That was an easier fix =
than replacing the clutch.    Even replacing the slave or rebuilding it is =
far less labor intensive than pulling the motor and  gearbox to get to the =
disc and pressure plate. 

Frank Krajewski

From: dave via Mgs 

To: [email-masked] 

Picked it up today =E2=80=93 when you start it in gear, it starts moving.  =
Accelerate and it goes, and if you put in the clutch, it takes most of the =
pressure off but it still creeps.

From: PaulHunt73 <[email-masked]> 
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 2:18 AM
To: dave <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Mgs] bad clutch or?

Agree, it would be like the clutch was fully engaged.  Most likely hydrauli=
cs as said, or possibly pilot bearing or friction plate binding.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 

I=E2=80=99d check hydraulics first. If it was stuck I think you=E2=80=99d b=
e doing more than creeping.

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#1F497D'>Due to being old, the hose was not letting any fluid through anymo=
re.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'c=
olor:#1F497D'>Also my advise to replace the slave cylinder piston rubber.<o=
:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:=
#1F497D'>Low cost, easy to do.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><s=
pan lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Clean thoroughly and have the cyli=
nder wall of the slave cylinder well checked for burr markings.<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>M=
ake everything smooth before reassembling and your slave cylinder will work=
 well for ages.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-U=
S style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
<span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Hans 71 BGT NR=
G<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'col=
or:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;bord=
er-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
<b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Van:<=
/span></b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"=
'> Mgs [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>Namens </b>FrankK via Mgs<br>=
<b>Verzonden:</b> dinsdag 21 mei 2019 4:51<br><b>Aan:</b> dave<br><b>CC:</b=
> [email-masked]<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] bad clutch or?<o:p></o:=
p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><di=
v><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;co=
lor:black'>When that happened in my MGA&nbsp; it was the hose to the slave =
cylinder that had failed.&nbsp; It&nbsp; is not apparent from just looking =
at it because the failure is inside the hose, same as the brake line hoses.=
&nbsp;&nbsp; That was an easier fix than replacing the clutch.&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; Even replacing the slave or rebuilding it is far less labor intensive=
 than pulling the motor and&nbsp; gearbox to get to the disc and pressure p=
late. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN=
-US style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Frank Krajewski<o:p></o:p></span=
></p></div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'=
font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:w=
hitesmoke'><b><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tah=
oma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'=
font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> dave via M=
gs <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'backgroun=
d:whitesmoke'><b><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"=
Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Sent:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> Monday=
, May 20, 2019 2:29 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal=
 style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:1=
0.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>To:</span></b><span la=
ng=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";colo=
r:black'> [email-masked] <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMs=
oNormal style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font=
-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Subject:</span>=
</b><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans=
-serif";color:black'> Re: [Mgs] bad clutch or?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><=
/div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:=
12.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:black'>Picked it up today =
=E2=80=93 when you start it in gear, it starts moving.&nbsp; Accelerate and=
 it goes, and if you put in the clutch, it takes most of the pressure off b=
ut it still creeps.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3D=
EN-US style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNorma=
l><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:black'>Am thinking&nbsp; that I=E2=80=
=99ll bleed the clutch slave cylinder.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:black'>After that I=
=E2=80=99m thinking I need to replace the clutch . . .<o:p></o:p></span></p=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0=
pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US st=
yle=3D'color:black'>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:black=
'> PaulHunt73 &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, M=
ay 20, 2019 2:18 AM<br><b>To:</b> dave &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</=
b> [email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mgs] bad clutch or?<o:p></o:p=
></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'co=
lor:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=
=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Agree, it would be like the=
 clutch was fully engaged.&nbsp; Most likely hydraulics as said, or possibl=
y pilot bearing or friction plate binding.</span><span lang=3DEN-US style=
=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><spa=
n lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:bl=
ack'>PaulH.</span><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p></div><blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;=
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=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:black'>I=E2=80=
=99d check hydraulics first. If it was stuck I think you=E2=80=99d be doing=
 more than creeping.<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><div class=3DMsoNorm=
al align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'f=
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Excellent advice all around!!!  Picked up a new hose today; slave =
cylinder on the way.  Figure that=E2=80=99s way easier than pulling the =
engine/tranny.

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Hope to get the hose in this week; slave will be here next week.

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From: Hans Duinhoven <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2019 2:07 PM
To: 'FrankK' <[email-masked]>; 'dave' <[email-masked]>
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Subject: RE: [Mgs] bad clutch or?

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Agree with you Frank,

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Low cost, easy to do.

Clean thoroughly and have the cylinder wall of the slave cylinder well =
checked for burr markings.

Make everything smooth before reassembling and your slave cylinder will =
work well for ages.

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Cheers,

Hans 71 BGT NRG

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Frank Krajewski

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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>Excellent advice all =
around!!!=C2=A0 Picked up a new hose today; slave cylinder on the =
way.=C2=A0 Figure that=E2=80=99s way easier than pulling the =
engine/tranny.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Hope to get =
the hose in this week; slave will be here next week.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Hans Duinhoven =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 21, 2019 =
2:07 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'FrankK' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; 'dave' =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Mgs] bad clutch =
or?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Agree with you Frank,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>I had the same with the =
original clutch slave hose.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Due to being old, the =
hose was not letting any fluid through anymore.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Also my advise to =
replace the slave cylinder piston rubber.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Low cost, easy to =
do.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Clean thoroughly and have the cylinder wall of =
the slave cylinder well checked for burr =
markings.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Make everything smooth before reassembling and =
your slave cylinder will work well for ages.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Hans 71 BGT =
NRG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DNL =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>Van:</span></b=
><span lang=3DNL =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> Mgs [<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:[email-masked].=
net</a>] <b>Namens </b>FrankK via Mgs<br><b>Verzonden:</b> dinsdag 21 =
mei 2019 4:51<br><b>Aan:</b> dave<br><b>CC:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Onderwerp=
:</b> Re: [Mgs] bad clutch or?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DNL><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>When that =
happened in my MGA&nbsp; it was the hose to the slave cylinder that had =
failed.&nbsp; It&nbsp; is not apparent from just looking at it because =
the failure is inside the hose, same as the brake line =
hoses.&nbsp;&nbsp; That was an easier fix than replacing the =
clutch.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Even replacing the slave or rebuilding it is =
far less labor intensive than pulling the motor and&nbsp; gearbox to get =
to the disc and pressure plate. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Frank =
Krajewski<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>&n=
bsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Fr=
om:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> =
dave via Mgs <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Se=
nt:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> =
Monday, May 20, 2019 2:29 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>To=
:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> =
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Su=
bject:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> =
Re: [Mgs] bad clutch or?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div>=
</div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>Picked it up =
today =E2=80=93 when you start it in gear, it starts moving.&nbsp; =
Accelerate and it goes, and if you put in the clutch, it takes most of =
the pressure off but it still creeps.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>Am thinking&nbsp; that =
I=E2=80=99ll bleed the clutch slave cylinder.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>After that I=E2=80=99m =
thinking I need to replace the clutch . . .<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'color:black'>From:</span></b><span style=3D'color:black'> =
PaulHunt73 &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 20, 2019 2:18 AM<br><b>To:</b> dave =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
<a =
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class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Agree, it =
would be like the clutch was fully engaged.&nbsp; Most likely hydraulics =
as said, or possibly pilot bearing or friction plate =
binding.</span><span =
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class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'color:black'>I=E2=80=99d check hydraulics first. If it was =
stuck I think you=E2=80=99d be doing more than =
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The saga continues=E2=80=A6.

=20

Replaced the clutch hose and the slave.  Still not shifting.

=20

When you push in the clutch, the lever arm on the trans moves a decent =
amount.  I didn=E2=80=99t measure it, but its probably =C2=BD=E2=80=9D =
to =C2=BE=E2=80=9D, something like that. =20

=20

So I=E2=80=99ve got action there.  Sounds like time to pull the =
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class=3DMsoNormal>Replaced the clutch hose and the slave.=C2=A0 Still =
not shifting.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>When you push in the clutch, the lever arm on the =
trans moves a decent amount.=C2=A0 I didn=E2=80=99t measure it, but its =
probably =C2=BD=E2=80=9D to =C2=BE=E2=80=9D, something like that.=C2=A0 =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>So I=E2=80=99ve got action there.=C2=A0 Sounds like =
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Hey Dave,

Before you pull the engine and tranny,=C2=A0 you may want to check the
pushrod between slave cylinder and clutch fork

(Part No. 13H21 according to the Moss online catalog - for reference only)=
.

On my 1970 B, the clutch operation was very erratic.

I found that the eyelet had worn out considerably.

Welding up and drilling solved the problem.

(At the time, that was easier and faster than ordering a new part...)

Don't underestimate the importance of this little part!

Bert

Op 26-5-2019 om 21:39 schreef dave via Mgs:
> Replaced the clutch hose and the slave.=C2=A0 Still not shifting.
>
> When you push in the clutch, the lever arm on the trans moves a decent
> amount.=C2=A0 I didn=E2=80=99t measure it, but its probably =C2=BD=E2=80=
=9D to =C2=BE=E2=80=9D, something
> like that.
>
> So I=E2=80=99ve got action there.=C2=A0 Sounds like time to pull the eng=
ine/tran?
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    <p>Hey Dave,<br>
    </p>
    <p>Before you pull the engine and tranny,=C2=A0 you may want to check =
the
      pushrod between slave cylinder and clutch fork <br>
    </p>
    <p>(Part No. 13H21 according to the Moss online catalog - for
      reference only).</p>
    <p>On my 1970 B, the clutch operation was very erratic.</p>
    <p>I found that the eyelet had worn out considerably.</p>
    <p>Welding up and drilling solved the problem. <br>
    </p>
    <p>(At the time, that was easier and faster than ordering a new
      part...) <br>
    </p>
    <p>Don't underestimate the importance of this little part!</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>Bert<br>
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              <p class=3D"MsoNormal">So I=E2=80=99ve got action there.=C2=
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Unlike physical wear at the pedal linkage, similar wear at the slave end =
has no effect on clutch operation, the hydraulic system is designed to =
take account of all wear at the clutch end.  Remember the graphite =
release bearing is going to wear down by a 1/4" or so over the life of =
the clutch, and given the unequal lengths of the release arm that is =
going to be getting on for an inch at the slave cylinder.  The piston =
simply moves out to take it up, and more fluid back-fills from the =
reservoir.

If it's dragging exactly the same as before, and you have about 1/2" of =
travel of the slave push-rod, then something is binding at the clutch.  =
Either the friction plate is very stiff on its splines, or the end of =
the first-motion shaft is dragging badly in the pilot bearing.  Could =
also be the release bearing breaking up and not pushing evenly on the =
cover plate.  Time to pull the engine - much easier than pulling both - =
on an MGB at least.

PaulH.

    When you push in the clutch, the lever arm on the trans moves a =
decent amount.  I didn=E2=80=99t measure it, but its probably =
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  I have recently removed the engine to answer the question of friction plat=
e binding.  It was.
  That same rusty powder that appears around dry door hinges in a hose was p=
resent on the area around the plate=E2=80=99s splines.  Pushing and pulling b=
y hand, the plate would not slide smoothly on its splines.  It had been inst=
alled ten years and 30M miles ago.
  I checked the bushing on throw-out lever, the pivot bolt also, which were f=
ine. The throw-out bearing measured a couple of thousands _thicker_ than a n=
ew one, so I used the old again, but bought a new AP friction plate even tho=
ugh the old appeared, aside from the rust powder, almost unworn.=20
  Difficult shifting is now history.
Bob

=20

> On May 28, 2019, at 3:43 AM, PaulHunt73 via Mgs <[email-masked]> wrote=
:
>=20
> Unlike physical wear at the pedal linkage, similar wear at the slave end h=
as no effect on clutch operation, the hydraulic system is designed to take a=
ccount of all wear at the clutch end.  Remember the graphite release bearing=
 is going to wear down by a 1/4" or so over the life of the clutch, and give=
n the unequal lengths of the release arm that is going to be getting on for a=
n inch at the slave cylinder.  The piston simply moves out to take it up, an=
d more fluid back-fills from the reservoir.
> =20
> If it's dragging exactly the same as before, and you have about 1/2" of tr=
avel of the slave push-rod, then something is binding at the clutch.  Either=
 the friction plate is very stiff on its splines, or the end of the first-mo=
tion shaft is dragging badly in the pilot bearing.  Could also be the releas=
e bearing breaking up and not pushing evenly on the cover plate.  Time to pu=
ll the engine - much easier than pulling both - on an MGB at least.
>> When you push in the clutch, the lever arm on the trans moves a decent am=
ount.  I didn=E2=80=99t measure it, but its probably =C2=BD=E2=80=9D to =C2=BE=
=E2=80=9D, something like that.=20
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/[email-masked]

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sp; I have recently removed the engine to answer the question of friction pl=
ate binding. &nbsp;It was.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; That same rusty powd=
er that appears around dry door hinges in a hose was present on the area aro=
und the plate=E2=80=99s splines. &nbsp;Pushing and pulling by hand, the plat=
e would not slide smoothly on its splines. &nbsp;It had been installed ten y=
ears and 30M miles ago.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; I checked the bushing o=
n throw-out lever, the pivot bolt also, which were fine. The throw-out beari=
ng measured a couple of thousands _thicker_ than a new one, so I used the ol=
d again, but bought a new AP friction plate even though the old appeared, as=
ide from the rust powder, almost unworn.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; D=
ifficult shifting is now history.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob</div><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On May 28,=
 2019, at 3:43 AM, PaulHunt73 via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
et">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"=
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designed to take account of all wear at the clutch end.&nbsp; Remember the=20=

graphite release bearing is going to wear down by a 1/4" or so over the life=
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cover plate.&nbsp;&nbsp;Time to pull the engine - much easier than pulling b=
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Read a post by a guy on MGE who had a badly elongated pivot hole in the 
throwout arm, causing erratic clutch operation.  Claimed he welded up 
and redrilled the hole. In any event I reckon the engine would still 
have to come out.

CR
On 5/28/2019 2:43 AM, PaulHunt73 via Mgs wrote:
> 
> Unlike physical wear at the pedal linkage, similar wear at the 
> slave end has no effect on clutch operation, the hydraulic system is 
> designed to take account of all wear at the clutch end.  Remember the 
> graphite release bearing is going to wear down by a 1/4" or so over 
> the life of the clutch, and given the unequal lengths of the release 
> arm that is going to be getting on for an inch at the slave cylinder.  
> The piston simply moves out to take it up, and more fluid back-fills 
> from the reservoir.
> If it's dragging exactly the same as before, and you have about 1/2" 
> of travel of the slave push-rod, then something is binding at the 
> clutch.  Either the friction plate is very stiff on its splines, or 
> the end of the first-motion shaft is dragging badly in the pilot 
> bearing.  Could also be the release bearing breaking up and not 
> pushing evenly on the cover plate.  Time to pull the engine - much 
> easier than pulling both - on an MGB at least.
> PaulH.
>
>>     When you push in the clutch, the lever arm on the trans moves a
>>     decent amount.  I didn’t measure it, but its probably ½” to ¾”,
>>     something like that.
>>
>
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    Read a post by a guy on MGE who had a badly elongated pivot hole in
    the throwout arm, causing erratic clutch operation.  Claimed he
    welded up and redrilled the hole. In any event I reckon the engine
    would still have to come out.  <br>
    <br>
    CR<br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/28/2019 2:43 AM, PaulHunt73 via
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      <div><font size="2">Unlike physical wear at the pedal linkage,
          similar wear at the slave end has no effect on clutch
          operation, the hydraulic system is designed to take account of
          all wear at the clutch end.  Remember the graphite release
          bearing is going to wear down by a 1/4" or so over the life of
          the clutch, and given the unequal lengths of the release arm
          that is going to be getting on for an inch at the slave
          cylinder.  The piston simply moves out to take it up, and more
          fluid back-fills from the reservoir.</font></div>
      <div> </div>
      <div><font size="2">If it's dragging exactly the same as before,
          and you have about 1/2" of travel of the slave push-rod, then
          something is binding at the clutch.  Either the friction plate
          is very stiff on its splines, or the end of the first-motion
          shaft is dragging badly in the pilot bearing.  Could also be
          the release bearing breaking up and not pushing evenly on the
          cover plate.  Time to pull the engine - much easier than
          pulling both - on an MGB at least.</font></div>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">When you push in the clutch, the
                    lever arm on the trans moves a decent amount.  I
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30 million miles is decent wear for an MG clutch, I'd say..... ;-)

Dan D
Central NJ USA
http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/

On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 10:18 PM Robert's New iPad via Mgs <
[email-masked]> wrote:

>   I have recently removed the engine to answer the question of friction
> plate binding.  It was.
>   That same rusty powder that appears around dry door hinges in a hose wa=
s
> present on the area around the plate=E2=80=99s splines.  Pushing and pull=
ing by
> hand, the plate would not slide smoothly on its splines.  It had been
> installed ten years and 30M miles ago.
>   I checked the bushing on throw-out lever, the pivot bolt also, which
> were fine. The throw-out bearing measured a couple of thousands _thicker_
> than a new one, so I used the old again, but bought a new AP friction pla=
te
> even though the old appeared, aside from the rust powder, almost unworn.
> On May 28, 2019, at 3:43 AM, PaulHunt73 via Mgs <[email-masked]>
> wrote:
>
> Unlike physical wear at the pedal linkage, similar wear at the slave end
> has no effect on clutch operation, the hydraulic system is designed to ta=
ke
> account of all wear at the clutch end.  Remember the graphite release
> bearing is going to wear down by a 1/4" or so over the life of the clutch=
,
> and given the unequal lengths of the release arm that is going to be
> getting on for an inch at the slave cylinder.  The piston simply moves ou=
t
> to take it up, and more fluid back-fills from the reservoir.
>
> If it's dragging exactly the same as before, and you have about 1/2" of
> travel of the slave push-rod, then something is binding at the clutch.
> Either the friction plate is very stiff on its splines, or the end of the
> first-motion shaft is dragging badly in the pilot bearing.  Could also be
> the release bearing breaking up and not pushing evenly on the cover
> plate.  Time to pull the engine - much easier than pulling both - on an M=
GB
> at least.
> amount.  I didn=E2=80=99t measure it, but its probably =C2=BD=E2=80=9D to=
 =C2=BE=E2=80=9D, something like
> that.
> Unsubscribe:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/[email-masked]
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<div dir=3D"ltr">30 million miles is decent wear for an MG clutch, I&#39;d =
say..... ;-)<div><br></div><div>Dan D</div><div>Central NJ USA<br clear=3D"=
all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmai=
l_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><a href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/" =
target=3D"_blank">http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a></div></div></div><br=
></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail=
_attr">On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 10:18 PM Robert&#39;s New iPad via Mgs &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><=
/div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0 I have recently removed the en=
gine to answer the question of friction plate binding.=C2=A0 It was.</div><=
div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0 That same rusty powder that appears around dry door =
hinges in a hose was present on the area around the plate=E2=80=99s splines=
.=C2=A0 Pushing and pulling by hand, the plate would not slide smoothly on =
its splines.=C2=A0 It had been installed ten years and 30M miles ago.</div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0 I checked the bushing on throw-out lever, the pivot=
 bolt also, which were fine. The throw-out bearing measured a couple of tho=
usands _thicker_ than a new one, so I used the old again, but bought a new =
AP friction plate even though the old appeared, aside from the rust powder,=
 almost unworn.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0 Difficult shifting is no=
w history.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On May 28, 2019, at 3:43 AM, Pa=
ulHunt73 via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank=
">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite">=
<div dir=3D"ltr">

<div><font size=3D"2">Unlike physical wear at the pedal linkage, similar we=
ar at the=20
slave=C2=A0end has no effect on clutch operation, the hydraulic system is=
=20
designed to take account of all wear at the clutch end.=C2=A0 Remember the=
=20
graphite release bearing is going to wear down by a 1/4&quot; or so over th=
e life of=20
the clutch, and given the unequal lengths of the release arm that is going =
to be=20
getting on for an inch at the slave cylinder.=C2=A0 The piston simply moves=
 out=20
to take it up, and more fluid back-fills from the reservoir.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"2">If it&#39;s dragging exactly the same as before, and =
you have=20
about 1/2&quot; of travel of the slave push-rod, then something is binding=
=C2=A0at=20
the clutch.=C2=A0 Either the friction plate is very stiff on its splines, o=
r the=20
end of the first-motion shaft is dragging badly in the pilot bearing.=C2=A0=
=20
Could also be the release bearing breaking up and not pushing evenly on the=
=20
cover plate.=C2=A0=C2=A0Time to pull the engine - much easier than pulling =
both=20
- on an MGB at least.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"2">PaulH.</font></div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-left:2px solid rgb(0,0,0);padding-left:5px;padd=
ing-right:0px;margin-left:5px;margin-right:0px">
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   =20

    <div class=3D"gmail-m_-3776068910923444391WordSection1">
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font><u></u><u=
></u></p>
    <div>
    <div>
    <div>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Replaced the clutch hose and the slave.=C2=A0 St=
ill not=20
    shifting.<u></u><u></u></p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font><u></u><u=
></u></p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">When you push in the clutch, the lever arm on th=
e trans=20
    moves a decent amount.=C2=A0 I didn=E2=80=99t measure it, but its proba=
bly =C2=BD=E2=80=9D to =C2=BE=E2=80=9D,=20
    something like that.=C2=A0=20
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From: David Breneman via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 20:59:43 +0000 (UTC)

On Wednesday, May 29, 2019, 4:34:56 AM PDT, Dan DiBiase via Mgs <[email-masked]> wrote: 
> On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 10:18 PM Robert's New iPad via Mgs <[email-masked]> wrote:

> >  It had been installed ten years and 30M miles ago.

Years ago, when I worked for Tacoma Screw Products, they were still using a card
catalog to keep track of their warehouse stock.  You'd frequently see the quantity of
a keg of, say, 1/4" hex nuts written as "10M" meaning 10 thousand.  When I asked
"Why isn't that a K?" it was explained to me that since "M" was the Roman numeral 
for 1000, the notation made total sense.  I think it's a practice specific to the hardware 
industry, dating from before WWII.
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From: Robert's New iPad via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 17:07:45 -0400

Yes, you have it, David.    M = Thousand, m = million.
   MGs through the end of flat-glass tachometers in the TDs used M on the tachometers. When the curved-glass tachs arrived, they were marked 2000,3000,etc. 
  Those of us who went to school in the slide-rule days learned Roman numerals-none of this metric stuff then. 
Bob

> On May 29, 2019, at 4:59 PM, David Breneman via Mgs <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Wednesday, May 29, 2019, 4:34:56 AM PDT, Dan DiBiase via Mgs < wrote: 

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