Subject: Re: [Mgs] Coolant draining on an MGB

From: PaulHunt73 via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 8 May 2019 16:48:41 +0100 dwYZbS5VJfVyFM/Bjy10HeF5zIa2NMN9VdcbFk8EwNoYk9EIx/C7BpSuPuZrA908Lo5D8eMmo4sQMvY49YnEF+oegZkfrs7EqeI=

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About the only thing you can do - short of removing the engine and =
tipping it upside down - is to keep refilling with clean water to dilute =
what's left, run, drain, allow to cool, repeat, until what comes out is =
also clean.  Make sure the heater valve is open.

To refill add the correct amount of neat coolant for the system capacity =
and your required dilution, then top-up with water.  For initial top-ups =
while it is purging itself of air use plain water, after that use a =
dilute mix.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----=20

  =20
  So, how do I get all the old coolant out of the engine since the =
coolant drain plug isn't functional, and since there will likely be =
water left inside the block, how do I properly dilute the green coolant?
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>To refill add the correct amount of neat coolant for =
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  <DIV dir=3Dauto>So, how do I get all the old coolant out of the engine =
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From: Dan DiBiase via Mgs <[email-masked]>
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On my '76B, with '77 engine, there is no drain valve. You have to pull the
lowest radiator hose off the water pump to drain the coolant. It's a mess.
Need a really wide pan on the ground underneath, and even then it tends to
run along the front crossmember and steering rack and make a mess.

Dan D
Central NJ USA
http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/

On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 11:26 AM wkilleffer--- via Mgs <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> The car I will be working on is a 1974 B with an 18GK engine. It uses one
> of those metal junctions that attaches a short hose tobthe water pump,
> lower radiator hose, and hose to the heater core.
>
> I will be replacing the radiator, radiator cap, all hoses, and putting in
> a 180 (or 185deg) thermostat. All the parts are coming from Vicky Brit.
>
> Unfortunately, I found out the hard way that the yellow so-called
> universal coolant doesn't work well with brass and copper radiators, which
> is why I'm doing this work.
>
> My engine has a coolant drain plug near the oil gauge takeoff near the
> back of the engine. However, I have never been able to get anything to
> drain out of it. I'm willing to have another go at it, but not expecting m
> uch.
>
> So, how do I get all the old coolant out of the engine since the coolant
> drain plug isn't functional, and since there will likely be water left
> inside the block, how do I properly dilute the green coolant?
>
> Thank you,
> -William
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">On my &#39;76B, with &#39;77 engine, there is no drain val=
ve. You have to pull the lowest radiator hose off the water pump to drain t=
he coolant. It&#39;s a mess. Need a really wide pan on the ground underneat=
h, and even then it tends to run along the front crossmember and steering r=
ack and make a mess.<div><br></div><div>Dan D</div><div>Central NJ USA<br c=
lear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=
=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><a href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouc=
h.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a></div></div><=
/div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 11:26 AM wkilleffer--- via Mgs &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><=
/div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">

<div style=3D"margin-bottom:45px">
    <div style=3D"font-size:10pt"><div dir=3D"auto">Hello everyone,</div><d=
iv dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">The car I will be working on is=
 a 1974 B with an 18GK engine. It uses one of those metal junctions that at=
taches a short hose tobthe water pump, lower radiator hose, and hose to the=
 heater core.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I wi=
ll be replacing the radiator, radiator cap, all hoses, and putting in a 180=
 (or 185deg) thermostat. All the parts are coming from Vicky Brit.=C2=A0</d=
iv><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Unfortunately, I found out=
 the hard way that the yellow so-called universal coolant doesn&#39;t work =
well with brass and copper radiators, which is why I&#39;m doing this work.=
=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">My engine has a c=
oolant drain plug near the oil gauge takeoff near the back of the engine. H=
owever, I have never been able to get anything to drain out of it. I&#39;m =
willing to have another go at it, but not expecting m
 uch.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">So, how do I=
 get all the old coolant out of the engine since the coolant drain plug isn=
&#39;t functional, and since there will likely be water left inside the blo=
ck, how do I properly dilute the green coolant?</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br>=
</div><div dir=3D"auto">Thank you,</div><div dir=3D"auto">-William</div><di=
v dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div id=3D"gmail-m_-4973521574100243288LGEmailSign=
atureBox" dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto"><i>Sent from my LG Mobile</i></div=
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jack up the rear of the car
Ira Erbs
Portland,OR
      _______                                  _______
     (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)
         (_________________________)
          BT7 engine and disk brakes

1967 MGB  

A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti
Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words

On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 8:50 AM PaulHunt73 via Mgs <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> About the only thing you can do - short of removing the engine and tipping
> it upside down - is to keep refilling with clean water to dilute what's
> left, run, drain, allow to cool, repeat, until what comes out is also
> clean.  Make sure the heater valve is open.
>
> To refill add the correct amount of neat coolant for the system capacity
> and your required dilution, then top-up with water.  For initial top-ups
> while it is purging itself of air use plain water, after that use a dilute
> mix.
>
> PaulH.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">jack up the rear of the car<br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"lt=
r"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">Ira Erbs<div>Portland,OR</div><div><span style=3D"font-family:&#=
39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 _______ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0_______</span><br style=3D"font-family:&#39;=
Times New Roman&#39;,serif"><span style=3D"font-family:&#39;Times New Roman=
&#39;,serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)</span>=
<br style=3D"font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=
=A0 (_________________________)</span></div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 BT7 engine and disk brakes</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><d=
iv>1967 MGB =C2=A0<img src=3D"http://www.britishcarspecialists.com/assets/i=
mages/MG_emblem.jpg" alt=3D"MG"></div><div><br></div><div><span style=3D"co=
lor:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sa=
ns-serif;font-size:14px">A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustme=
nts. Mario Andretti</span><br></div><div>Please excuse random auto corrects=
 and misspelled words</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>=
</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, May 8, 2019 at =
8:50 AM PaulHunt73 via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mgs@au=
tox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
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<div><font size=3D"2">About the only thing you can do - short of removing t=
he engine=20
and tipping it upside down - is to keep refilling with clean water to dilut=
e=20
what&#39;s left, run, drain, allow to cool, repeat, until what comes out is=
 also=20
clean.=C2=A0 Make sure the heater valve is open.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"2">To refill add the correct amount of neat coolant for =
the=20
system capacity and your required dilution, then top-up with water.=C2=A0 F=
or=20
initial top-ups while it is purging itself of air use plain water, after th=
at=20
use a dilute mix.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"2">PaulH.</font></div>
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v>
  <div style=3D"font-size:10pt">
  <div dir=3D"auto">So, how do I get all the old coolant out of the engine =
since the=20
  coolant drain plug isn&#39;t functional, and since there will likely be w=
ater left=20
  inside the block, how do I properly dilute the green=20
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From: PaulHunt73 via Mgs <[email-masked]>
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Even if you remove the radiator altogether the block is still half full =
of old coolant, and removing the water pump doesn't get much more out.  =
Remember the original poster was asking how to get the bad coolant out.  =
Having a drain point on the rad is convenient for a simple drain and =
refill, but that's all.

You can drain a roadster cleanly without that by shoving a piece of card =
under the hose and past the cross-member over a bowl, slacken the hose =
clip and push it right back, then push a blunt screwdriver up between =
hose and rad port.  It only trickles out, but I leave it to do that =
while I get on with the next phase of the job.

I'd be surprised if the later engines didn't have the drain plug =
(replaced the tap a long time before that) below and to the right of the =
oil gauge connection, but try as I might with stiff wire I didn't get =
any more than a rusty dampness below it.  Frequently clogged with =
casting sand, some have had to 'chisel' it out with rods after removing =
the head.

PaulH.

  On my '76B, with '77 engine, there is no drain valve. You have to pull =
the lowest radiator hose off the water pump to drain the coolant. It's a =
mess. Need a really wide pan on the ground underneath, and even then it =
tends to run along the front crossmember and steering rack and make a =
mess.
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Even if you remove the radiator altogether the block =
is still=20
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more=20
out.&nbsp; Remember the original poster was asking how to get the bad =
coolant=20
out.&nbsp; </FONT><FONT size=3D2>Having a drain point on the rad is =
convenient for=20
a simple drain and refill, but that's all.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>You can drain a roadster cleanly without that by =
shoving a=20
piece of card under the hose and past the cross-member over a bowl, =
slacken the=20
hose clip and push it right back, then push a blunt screwdriver up =
between hose=20
and rad port.&nbsp; It only trickles out, but I leave it to&nbsp;do that =
while I=20
get on with the next phase of the job.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I'd be surprised if the later engines didn't have =
the drain=20
plug (replaced the tap a long time before that) below and to the right =
of the=20
oil gauge connection, but try as I might with stiff wire I didn't get =
any more=20
than a rusty dampness below it.&nbsp; Frequently clogged with casting =
sand, some=20
have had to 'chisel' it out with rods after removing the =
head.</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV dir=3Dltr>On my '76B, with '77 engine, there is no drain valve. =
You have to=20
  pull the lowest radiator hose off the water pump to drain the coolant. =
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From: Charley Robinson via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 9 May 2019 16:52:20 -0500

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You can get the old coolant out of the block by exchanging it for 
water.   A couple of fills and drains ought to do it.  Or you can do it 
by trickling water in at the top while letting it out at the bottom, 
with the engine warmed up and running, until it runs out clear at the 
bottom.  Then shut it down, drain it as completely as possible, button 
it up and refill it with the coolant of your choice*after it cools down. 
*I used to flush out rusty coolant this way when I was into flipping 
cars to raise hobby money.

CR

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    You can get the old coolant out of the block by exchanging it for
    water.   A couple of fills and drains ought to do it.  Or you can do
    it by trickling water in at the top while letting it out at the
    bottom, with the engine warmed up and running, until it runs out
    clear at the bottom.  Then shut it down, drain it as completely as
    possible, button it up and refill it with the coolant of your choice<b>
      after it cools down.  </b>I used to flush out rusty coolant this
    way when I was into flipping cars to raise hobby money.  <br>
    <br>
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CR

On 5/9/2019 2:28 AM, PaulHunt73 via Mgs wrote:
> 
> Even if you remove the radiator altogether the block is still half 
> full of old coolant, and removing the water pump doesn't get much more 
> out.  Remember the original poster was asking how to get the bad 
> coolant out. Having a drain point on the rad is convenient for a 
> simple drain and refill, but that's all.
> You can drain a roadster cleanly without that by shoving a piece of 
> card under the hose and past the cross-member over a bowl, slacken the 
> hose clip and push it right back, then push a blunt screwdriver up 
> between hose and rad port.  It only trickles out, but I leave it to do 
> that while I get on with the next phase of the job.
> PaulH.
>
>     On my '76B, with '77 engine, there is no drain valve. You have to
>     pull the lowest radiator hose off the water pump to drain the
>     coolant. It's a mess. Need a really wide pan on the ground
>     underneath, and even then it tends to run along the front
>     crossmember and steering rack and make a mess.
>
>
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/[email-masked]

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    You can get the old coolant out of the block by exchanging it for
    water.   A couple of fills and drains ought to do it.  Or you can do
    it by trickling water in at the top while letting it out at the
    bottom, with the engine warmed up and running, until it runs out
    clear at the bottom.  Then shut it down, drain it as completely as
    possible, button it up and refill it with the coolant of your choice<b>
      after it cools down.  </b>I used to flush out rusty coolant this
    way when I was into flipping cars to raise hobby money.  <br>
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    CR<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/9/2019 2:28 AM, PaulHunt73 via Mgs
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      <div><font size="2">Even if you remove the radiator altogether the
          block is still half full of old coolant, and removing the
          water pump doesn't get much more out.  Remember the original
          poster was asking how to get the bad coolant out.  </font><font
          size="2">Having a drain point on the rad is convenient for a
          simple drain and refill, but that's all.</font></div>
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      <div><font size="2">You can drain a roadster cleanly without that
          by shoving a piece of card under the hose and past the
          cross-member over a bowl, slacken the hose clip and push it
          right back, then push a blunt screwdriver up between hose and
          rad port.  It only trickles out, but I leave it to do that
          while I get on with the next phase of the job.</font></div>
      <div> <font size="2">PaulH.</font>
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        <div dir="ltr">On my '76B, with '77 engine, there is no drain
          valve. You have to pull the lowest radiator hose off the water
          pump to drain the coolant. It's a mess. Need a really wide pan
          on the ground underneath, and even then it tends to run along
          the front crossmember and steering rack and make a mess.</div>
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