Subject: Re: [Mgs] So quiet!

From: Mark J Bradakis via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 07:49:42 -0600

On 4/23/19 7:32 AM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs wrote:
>    So quiet here! Thought I would make some noise - even with a little 
> MG content.

I was thinking that when I made the switch to the new server and email 
delays are now a minute or two instead of some number of hours people 
might pick up the pace and post more, the lack of delays would make the 
lists more conversational.  Oh well, so it goes.

Anyway still having troubles getting all the web stuff working, like the 
mailman listinfo pages, the archive updating and various others.  At 
least email is working well.  So much fun to have a server just go belly 
up with no warning.

mjb.

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From: Robert's New iPad via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 10:49:26 -0400

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   My experience was that the foam for the front rail was useful for a top i=
nstalled by a canvas shop, but that when I installed a new top, foam was sup=
erfluous as the rain did not blow in.
   The difference, it seemed to me, is that the flap that drops down onto th=
e chrome frame top rail must be fitted as low as the cut-outs for wipers per=
mit.  That flap piece is installed first; time spent fitting it is well spen=
t.
Bob

> On Apr 23, 2019, at 9:46 AM, <[email-masked]> <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Richard --
> =20
> =E2=80=9CThe sticks are remounted on the tub and align properly at the win=
dscreen. Canvas on the header rail is going on (almost) as I type. That will=
 be my job this afternoon. Pictures to follow.=E2=80=9D
> =20
> You might consider putting felt weather-stripping (for around windows =E2=80=
=93 hardware stores & home centers sell it =E2=80=93 at least up north here)=
 on the header rail instead of the foam that probably came with your kit.  I=
=E2=80=99ve heard a number of people complain that the foam compresses after=
 time and fails to seal.  I used felt on my TD header rail when restoring it=
 40 years ago and it still does not leak at the top of the windscreen (throu=
gh the bolt holes, yes, but not at the top!=E2=80=94and it=E2=80=99s still t=
he same top).
> =20
> Sarah Carr
> TD & B/GT in PA
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utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nb=
sp; &nbsp;My experience was that the foam for the front rail was useful for a=
 top installed by a canvas shop, but that when I installed a new top, foam w=
as superfluous as the rain did not blow in.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; &nb=
sp;The difference, it seemed to me, is that the flap that drops down onto th=
e chrome frame top rail must be fitted as low as the cut-outs for wipers per=
mit. &nbsp;That flap piece is installed first; time spent fitting it is well=
 spent.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><br>On Apr 23, 2019, at 9:46 AM, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
">[email-masked]</a>&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">scvc70@epix=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000">
<div>Richard --</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><em>=E2=80=9C</em><em>The sticks are remounted on the tub and align pro=
perly at the=20
windscreen. Canvas on the header rail is going on (almost) as I type. That w=
ill=20
be my job this afternoon. Pictures to follow.=E2=80=9D</em></div>
<div><em></em>&nbsp;</div>
<div>You might consider putting felt weather-stripping (for around windows =E2=
=80=93=20
hardware stores &amp; home centers sell it =E2=80=93 at least up north here)=
 on the=20
header rail instead of the foam that probably came with your kit.&nbsp; I=E2=
=80=99ve=20
heard a number of people complain that the foam compresses after time and fa=
ils=20
to seal.&nbsp; I used felt on my TD header rail when restoring it 40 years a=
go=20
and it still does not leak at the top of the windscreen (through the bolt ho=
les,=20
yes, but not at the top!=E2=80=94and it=E2=80=99s still the same top).</div>=

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Sarah Carr</div>
<div>TD &amp; B/GT in PA</div>
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From: i erbs via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 08:30:59 -0700

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I have two projects. Getting my Barn find 67 MGB in a state where I can
trailer it down the the DMV to register. Need to bleed hydraulic system and
I'm working on getting a stuck engine water valve to work on 59 Healey
100-6, so I can flush my block and install an aluminum Radiator and pusher
fan. Also chasing an oil blowby source,  I teach Full time HS and part time
college, plus volunteer for a number of organizations. So I'm time starved.
I do retire from my day job end of JUne. That should free up a a lot of
time.
Happy motoring and tinkering folks.
Ira Erbs
Portland,OR
      _______                                  _______
     (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)
         (_________________________)
          BT7 engine and disk brakes

1967 MGB  

A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti
Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words

On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 6:33 AM Richard Lindsay via Mgs <[email-masked]>
wrote:

>    So quiet here! Thought I would make some noise - even with a little MG
> content. But first...
>
>    This morning I'm going to the shop to make a little progress on three
> fun cars: Timing the TR6 project car's ignition, replacing a pipe in the
> Testarossa fuel injection, and getting the Maserati up on wheel casters.
> Pretty amazing stuff, eh?! Now for the MG bit.
>
>    I'm putting a new top on my '53 TD! I had the 3-bow sticks blasted and
> powder coated in cream tan. They were careful to keep powder out of the
> hinge points. So after a little oil, everything moves smoothly.
>
>    The sticks are remounted on the tub and align properly at the
> windscreen. Canvas on the header rail is going on (almost) as I type. That
> will be my job this afternoon. Pictures to follow.
>
>    I also had the side screen frames powder coated. Tan, of course. New
> canvas will go on them too, after the top is on, so the alignment can be
> precise. More pictures then too.
>
>    So what are you working on? Spring has sprung in the Northern
> Hemisphere. You cars coming out of hibernation? Good stories?
>
> Rick, in northwest Houston
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I have two projects. Getting my Barn find 67 MGB in a stat=
e where I can trailer it down the the DMV to register. Need to bleed hydrau=
lic system and I&#39;m working on getting a stuck engine water valve to wor=
k on 59 Healey 100-6, so I can flush my block and install an aluminum Radia=
tor and pusher fan. Also chasing an oil blowby source,=C2=A0 I teach Full t=
ime HS and part time college, plus volunteer for a number of organizations.=
 So I&#39;m time starved. I do retire from my day job end of JUne. That sho=
uld free up a a lot of time.<div>Happy motoring and tinkering folks.<br cle=
ar=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=
=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
<div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Ira Erbs<div>Portland,OR</div><div><=
span style=3D"font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 _______ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0_______</span><b=
r style=3D"font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif"><span style=3D"font=
-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 (______ \____1=
959 BN4____/ _______)</span><br style=3D"font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#=
39;,serif"><span style=3D"font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif">=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 (_________________________)</span></div><div=
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 BT7 engine and disk brakes</div><div><b=
r></div><div><br></div><div>1967 MGB =C2=A0<img src=3D"http://www.britishca=
rspecialists.com/assets/images/MG_emblem.jpg" alt=3D"MG"></div><div><br></d=
iv><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue=
&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">A racing car is an animal=
 with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti</span><br></div><div>Please ex=
cuse random auto corrects and misspelled words</div></div></div></div></div=
></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><b=
r></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmai=
l_attr">On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 6:33 AM Richard Lindsay via Mgs &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l=
eft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=
=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0So quiet here! Thought I would make some noise - eve=
n with a little MG content. But first...</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div>=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This morning I&#39;m going to the shop to make a little progre=
ss on three fun cars: Timing the TR6 project car&#39;s ignition, replacing =
a pipe in the Testarossa fuel injection, and getting the Maserati up on whe=
el casters. Pretty amazing stuff, eh?! Now for the MG bit.<div dir=3D"auto"=
><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0I&#39;m putting a new top on my &=
#39;53 TD! I had the 3-bow sticks blasted and powder coated in cream tan. T=
hey were careful to keep powder out of the hinge points. So after a little =
oil, everything moves smoothly.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0The sticks are remounted on the tub and align proper=
ly at the windscreen. Canvas on the header rail is going on (almost) as I t=
ype. That will be my job this afternoon. Pictures to follow.</div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0I also had the side scre=
en frames powder coated. Tan, of course. New canvas will go on them too, af=
ter the top is on, so the alignment can be precise. More pictures then too.=
</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0So what ar=
e you working on? Spring has sprung in the Northern Hemisphere. You cars co=
ming out of hibernation? Good stories?</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><di=
v dir=3D"auto">Rick, in northwest Houston=C2=A0</div></div>
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From: Max Heim via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 10:02:04 -0700

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Oregon lets you register a car on a trailer?

California doesn=E2=80=99t, as I found out. It all turned out for the =
best, however, as when I came back with the running car, I had sorted =
out the PO=E2=80=99s attempted VIN swap.

--
Max Heim
'66 MGB

> On Apr 23, 2019, at 8:30 AM, i erbs via Mgs <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
>=20
> I have two projects. Getting my Barn find 67 MGB in a state where I =
can trailer it down the the DMV to register. Need to bleed hydraulic =
system and I'm working on getting a stuck engine water valve to work on =
59 Healey 100-6, so I can flush my block and install an aluminum =
Radiator and pusher fan. Also chasing an oil blowby source,  I teach =
Full time HS and part time college, plus volunteer for a number of =
organizations. So I'm time starved. I do retire from my day job end of =
JUne. That should free up a a lot of time.
> 1967 MGB =20

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Oregon lets you register a car on a trailer?<div class=3D""><br=
 class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">California doesn=E2=80=99t, as I found =
out. It all turned out for the best, however, as when I came back with =
the running car, I had sorted out the PO=E2=80=99s attempted VIN =
swap.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; text-align: =
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: =
break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space;" class=3D""><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
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class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px;" =
class=3D"">--</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; =
min-height: 16px;" class=3D"">Max Heim</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; =
font-size: 13px;" class=3D"">'66 MGB</div></div></div>
</div>

<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Apr 23, 2019, at 8:30 AM, i erbs via Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">I have two projects. Getting my Barn find 67 MGB =
in a state where I can trailer it down the the DMV to register. Need to =
bleed hydraulic system and I'm working on getting a stuck engine water =
valve to work on 59 Healey 100-6, so I can flush my block and install an =
aluminum Radiator and pusher fan. Also chasing an oil blowby =
source,&nbsp; I teach Full time HS and part time college, plus volunteer =
for a number of organizations. So I'm time starved. I do retire from my =
day job end of JUne. That should free up a a lot of time.<div =
class=3D"">Happy motoring and tinkering folks.<br clear=3D"all" =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" =
data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"">Ira Erbs<div class=3D"">Portland,OR</div><div class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family:'Times New Roman',serif" class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; _______ &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;_______</span><br style=3D"font-family:'Times New Roman',serif" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New Roman',serif" =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; (______ \____1959 BN4____/ =
_______)</span><br style=3D"font-family:'Times New Roman',serif" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New Roman',serif" =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; =
(_________________________)</span></div><div class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; BT7 engine and disk brakes</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">1967=
 MGB &nbsp;<img =
src=3D"http://www.britishcarspecialists.com/assets/images/MG_emblem.jpg" =
alt=3D"MG" class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><span style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:&quot;Helvetica =
Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px" class=3D"">A =
racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario =
Andretti</span><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Please excuse random =
auto corrects and misspelled =
words</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></d=
iv></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br =
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From: Richard Lindsay via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 13:33:23 -0500

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Hello again Friends,

   Several comments to multiple respondents, including me:

I wrote,

> This morning...Timing the TR6 project car's ignition...

   Battery had failed in my meter so I gapped and installed spark plugs
instead.

> replacing a pipe in the Testarossa fuel injection, and getting the
> Maserati up on wheel casters.

   Didn't get any of that done.

Sarah wrote,

> You might consider putting felt weather-stripping...on the
header rail...

   Thanks Sarah. I have a nice roll of felt but maybe closed-cell foam
instead? I'm concerned about the felt holding water.

Mark wrote,

> I was thinking that when I made the switch to the new server...
> people might...make the lists more conversational.

   I hope so too Mark, and thank you for this service!

Bob added to the top header thread,

> ...the flap that drops down onto the chrome frame top rail must
> be fitted as low as the cut-outs for wipers permit.

   Yea, that makes good sense. When I trial fitted the wrap, the flap kept
trying to lift away as I pulled the canvas snug. I will follow your lead
and make sure that the flap is low and aligned properly.

Ira admitted (:-P,

> I have two projects...Barn find 67 MGB...and...59 Healey 100-6
> I can trailer it down the the DMV to register.

   Love your projects! Here in Texas, the DMV doesn't even have to see the
car. When I lived up in Oklahoma, the DMV had to visually verify the VIN
but only for cars with out-of-state titles. They did not have to run.

> Need to bleed hydraulic system and I'm working on getting a stuck
> engine water valve to work on 59 Healey 100-6...

   My TR6 has new brakes all around but there is an obstruction in the rear
circuit. Not a drop of brake fluid will flow. Perhaps I pinched a line when
installing the new rear flex hose?

> I teach Full time HS and part time college, plus volunteer...I'm time
> starved. I do retire from my day job end of JUne. That should free
> up a a lot of time.

   LOL! I retired six years ago. Today, I can't imagine how I ever had time
to work!

Max added,

> Oregon lets you register a car on a trailer? California doesn=E2=80=99t, =
as
> I found out.

   See above.

> I...sorted out the PO=E2=80=99s attempted VIN swap.

   Gulp! Glad that's sorted. I bought my Maserati Biturbo E with a lost
California title...and then a dead PO! It took me over a year to get that
one straightened out! I ended up with a bond title, but the car is mine now
and licensed as such.

   Nice to hear from each of you again. I put new plugs in my XPAG but
probably need to clean the SU jets and needles. I also need to install a
new choke cable. Oh, and another thing...

   When I reupholstered my car's seat back, the springs were rusted beyond
repair, so I used foam; Too much foam. I made the seat back too thick and
without the curved profile. It's comfortable but a bear to get in and out.
I'm going to undo it all, reshape the foam, and reapply the upholstery. An
electric carving knife is the perfect tool for shaping foam.

   That's it from my corner of Houston. Yours?

Rick

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<div dir=3D"auto">Hello again Friends,<div dir=3D"auto"><br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0Se=
veral comments to multiple respondents, including me:<br>
<br>I wrote,</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br>
&gt; This morning...Timing the TR6 project car&#39;s ignition...<br>
<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0Battery had failed in my meter so I gapped and installed s=
park plugs instead.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br>
&gt; replacing a pipe in the Testarossa fuel injection, and getting the<br>
&gt; Maserati up on wheel casters.<br>
<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0Didn&#39;t get any of that done.<br>
<br>
Sarah wrote,<br>
<br>
&gt; You might consider putting felt weather-stripping...on the<br>
header rail... <br>
<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0Thanks Sarah. I have a nice roll of felt but maybe closed-=
cell foam instead? I&#39;m concerned about the felt holding water.<br>
<br>
Mark wrote,<br>
<br>
&gt; I was thinking that when I made the switch to the new server...<br>
&gt; people=C2=A0might...make the=C2=A0lists more conversational.=C2=A0<br>
<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0I hope so too Mark, and thank you for this service!<br>
<br>
Bob added to the top header thread,<br>
<br>
&gt; ...the flap that drops down onto the chrome frame top rail must<br>
&gt; be fitted as low as the cut-outs for wipers permit.<br>
<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0Yea, that makes good sense. When I trial fitted the wrap, =
the flap kept trying to lift away as I pulled the canvas snug. I will follo=
w your lead and make sure that the flap is low and aligned properly.<br>
<br>
Ira admitted (:-P,<br>
<br>
&gt; I have two projects...Barn find 67 MGB...and...59 Healey 100-6<br>
&gt; I can trailer it down the the DMV to register. <br>
<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0Love your projects! Here in Texas, the DMV doesn&#39;t eve=
n have to see the car. When I lived up in Oklahoma, the DMV had to visually=
 verify the VIN but only for cars with out-of-state titles. They did not ha=
ve to run.<br>
<br>
&gt; Need to bleed hydraulic system and I&#39;m working on getting a stuck<=
br>
&gt; engine water valve to work on 59 Healey 100-6...<br>
<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0My TR6 has new brakes all around but there is an obstructi=
on in the rear circuit. Not a drop of brake fluid will flow. Perhaps I pinc=
hed a line when installing the new rear flex hose?<br>
<br>
&gt; I teach Full time HS and part time college, plus volunteer...I&#39;m t=
ime<br>
&gt; starved. I do retire from my day job end of JUne. That should free<br>
&gt; up a a lot of time.<br>
<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0LOL! I retired six years ago. Today, I can&#39;t imagine h=
ow I ever had time to work!<br>
<br>
Max added,<br>
<br>
&gt; Oregon lets you register a car on a trailer? California doesn=E2=80=99=
t, as<br>
&gt; I found out.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0=
 =C2=A0See above.<br>
<br>
&gt; I...sorted out the PO=E2=80=99s attempted VIN swap.<br>
<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0Gulp! Glad that&#39;s sorted. I bought my Maserati Biturbo=
 E with a lost California title...and then a dead PO! It took me over a yea=
r to get that one straightened out! I ended up with a bond title, but the c=
ar is mine now and licensed as such.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div =
dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0Nice to hear from each of you again. I put new pl=
ugs in my XPAG but probably need to clean the SU jets and needles. I also n=
eed to install a new choke cable. Oh, and another thing...</div><div dir=3D=
"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0When I reupholstered my car=
&#39;s seat back, the springs were rusted beyond repair, so I used foam; To=
o much foam. I made the seat back too thick and without the curved profile.=
 It&#39;s comfortable but a bear to get in and out. I&#39;m going to undo i=
t all, reshape the foam, and reapply the upholstery. An electric carving kn=
ife is the perfect tool for shaping foam.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div>=
<div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0That&#39;s it from my corner of Houston. You=
rs?</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Rick</div></div>

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From: Max Heim via Mgs <[email-masked]>
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I bought this 66 MGB roadster as a rolling shell in 2014, from a friend =
that works at the auction and was just flipping it. The story was it had =
been stored indoors along with a complete 1965 roadster since possibly =
the late 1970s (last registration on the =E2=80=9Cran when parked" car =
was 1978). No paperwork of any kind, and no plates, but it had a VIN in =
the 137XXX range, which made it a mid-67.

But the car had no reverse lamps, which made me dubious, and after it =
was trailered to the paint shop, they uncovered the chassis stamp, which =
was 97XXX, making it a very late 1966, which made more sense (this =
matched the instrument panel layout, as well). Looking at the VIN plate, =
the numbers were rather wobbly, like it had been hand stamped (well, =
they were all hand-stamped, but presumably by persons that were =
experienced at doing it).

After some contemplation, I decided my easiest way forward was to order =
a blank plate and stamp it with the correct numbers, so when it did go =
to DMV they would match. I did this after a web search to confirm that =
the numbers were not in use. As it turned out, the VIN inspection was =
carried out by a 20-something that had never worked with a pre-1969 =
vehicle of any kind, and didn=E2=80=99t even look at the chassis number =
(he would have had to go underneath with a flashlight and a mirror to =
see it, anyway).

I have no idea what the PO (presumably deceased) had been thinking of. =
Maybe he had several disassembled cars and just mixed up the tags. Or he =
acquired this shell with no VIN plate and just made one up, which seems =
rather negligent (also, it had a BMC 1967 secondary tag on it, which =
would have to have been transferred from a real 1967, I would think). =
Who knows? Doesn=E2=80=99t matter, now. It could hardly have been some =
kind of deception scheme or fraud, since an unrestored MGB shell, unlike =
your Maseratis or Ferraris, is not only practically valueless, the =
particular VIN digits have no significance whatsoever.

The discrepancies in paperwork between the transfer of ownership and =
application for title, which were filed with the =E2=80=9Cold=E2=80=9D =
=E2=80=9Cwrong" number, and the VIN verification of the =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=
=9D =E2=80=9Ccorrect=E2=80=9D number were smoothed out by using an =
independent registration agent. Her services were invaluable. She not =
only saved me 3 or 4 trips to DMV purgatory, her credibility probably =
helped this peculiarity sail on through unquestioned. Basically, I just =
appended an affidavit saying we were mistaken about the number, and were =
correcting it. And her fee was ridiculously low.

--
Max Heim
'66 MGB

> On Apr 23, 2019, at 11:33 AM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>    Gulp! Glad that's sorted. I bought my Maserati Biturbo E with a =
lost California title...and then a dead PO! It took me over a year to =
get that one straightened out! I ended up with a bond title, but the car =
is mine now and licensed as such.

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">I bought this 66 MGB roadster as a rolling shell in 2014, =
from a friend that works at the auction and was just flipping it. The =
story was it had been stored indoors along with a complete 1965 roadster =
since possibly the late 1970s (last registration on the =E2=80=9Cran =
when parked" car was 1978). No paperwork of any kind, and no plates, but =
it had a VIN in the 137XXX range, which made it a mid-67.<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">But the car had no =
reverse lamps, which made me dubious, and after it was trailered to the =
paint shop, they uncovered the chassis stamp, which was 97XXX, making it =
a very late 1966, which made more sense (this matched the instrument =
panel layout, as well). Looking at the VIN plate, the numbers were =
rather wobbly, like it had been hand stamped (well, they were all =
hand-stamped, but presumably by persons that were experienced at doing =
it).</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">After =
some contemplation, I decided my easiest way forward was to order a =
blank plate and stamp it with the correct numbers, so when it did go to =
DMV they would match. I did this after a web search to confirm that the =
numbers were not in use. As it turned out, the VIN inspection was =
carried out by a 20-something that had never worked with a pre-1969 =
vehicle of any kind, and didn=E2=80=99t even look at the chassis number =
(he would have had to go underneath with a flashlight and a mirror to =
see it, anyway).<br class=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">I have no idea what the PO (presumably deceased) had been =
thinking of. Maybe he had several disassembled cars and just mixed up =
the tags. Or he acquired this shell with no VIN plate and just made one =
up, which seems rather negligent (also, it had a BMC 1967 secondary tag =
on it, which would have to have been transferred from a real 1967, I =
would think). Who knows? Doesn=E2=80=99t matter, now. It could hardly =
have been some kind of deception scheme or fraud, since an unrestored =
MGB shell, unlike your Maseratis or Ferraris, is not only practically =
valueless, the particular VIN digits have no significance =
whatsoever.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">The =
discrepancies in paperwork between the transfer of ownership and =
application for title, which were filed with the =E2=80=9Cold=E2=80=9D =
=E2=80=9Cwrong" number, and the VIN verification of the =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=
=9D =E2=80=9Ccorrect=E2=80=9D number were smoothed out by using an =
independent registration agent. Her services were invaluable. She not =
only saved me 3 or 4 trips to DMV purgatory, her credibility probably =
helped this peculiarity sail on through unquestioned. Basically, I just =
appended an affidavit saying we were mistaken about the number, and were =
correcting it. And her fee was ridiculously low.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">--<br class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: =
break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space;" class=3D""><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; min-height: =
16px;" class=3D"">Max Heim</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: =
13px;" class=3D"">'66 MGB</div></div></div>
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class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>

<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Apr 23, 2019, at 11:33 AM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; =
display: inline !important;" class=3D"">&gt; I...sorted out the PO=E2=80=99=
s attempted VIN swap.</span><br style=3D"font-family: Verdana; =
font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><br =
style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline =
!important;" class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp;Gulp! Glad that's sorted. I bought =
my Maserati Biturbo E with a lost California title...and then a dead PO! =
It took me over a year to get that one straightened out! I ended up with =
a bond title, but the car is mine now and licensed as =
such.</span></div></blockquote></div><br =
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Serviced my '69 B starting last month. Took her out for a spin in the 
neighborhood but she wouldn't pull uphill.  Fuel pump volume way down, 
carbs would run almost dry on acceleration.  A new electronic SU pump 
took care of that.  Gotta rebuild the old points-type for a spare. Then 
I decided 10 year old tires were pushing my luck.  She's wearing a new 
set of Coopers now.  She's running like a top. Planned a trip to see 
this spring's Bluebonnets around Willow City, TX, but the weather has 
turned to crud.
Waiting for sunny days.....

Charley Robinson
Kerrville, TX

On 4/23/2019 8:32 AM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs wrote:
> MG content. But first...
>  SNIP
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/[email-masked]

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    Serviced my '69 B starting last month. Took her out for a spin in
    the neighborhood but she wouldn't pull uphill.  Fuel pump volume way
    down, carbs would run almost dry on acceleration.  A new electronic
    SU pump took care of that.  Gotta rebuild the old points-type for a
    spare. Then I decided 10 year old tires were pushing my luck.  She's
    wearing a new set of Coopers now.  She's running like a top. 
    Planned a trip to see this spring's Bluebonnets around Willow City,
    TX, but the weather has turned to crud.  <br>
    Waiting for sunny days.....<br>
    <br>
    Charley Robinson<br>
    Kerrville, TX<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/23/2019 8:32 AM, Richard Lindsay
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        <div dir="auto">   So quiet here! Thought I would make some
          noise - even with a little MG content. But first...</div>
        <div dir="auto"><br>
        </div>
         SNIP
        <div dir="auto">   So what are you working on? Spring has sprung
          in the Northern Hemisphere. You cars coming out of
          hibernation? Good stories?</div>
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        <div dir="auto">Rick, in northwest Houston </div>
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   Great story Max, if a little terrifying. Thanks for sharing it. Any
dealing with the DMV is a crap shoot. Sometimes flawless. Other times
incalculable obscurity.

Fellow Texan Charley wrote,

> the neighborhood but she wouldn't pull uphill. Fuel pump volume
> way down, carbs would run almost dry on acceleration.

   Colin Campbell in his landmark book 'The Sports Car Engine: It's tuning
and modification', says always to measure fuel pump delivery volume and
pressure first. So Charley, you're right on target!

https://www.amazon.com/sports-car-engine-tuning-modification/dp/0837600448/ref=mp_s_a_1_fkmrnull_1?keywords=colin+campbell+the+sports+car+engine&qid=1556061473&s=gateway&sr=8-1-fkmrnull

   The positive earth fuel pump in my TD failed as well. I too replaced it
with an SU electronic pump. No problem since. However, when the (appearance
of) originality isn't required, a quite reliable 2-3 psi pump with adequate
volume, is available at a quarter the price of the SU. Its a OEM pump for
an early carbed Honda Civic! And that's what's in my '73 E-Type. Yes,
adequate volume for that big V12 at full song. Rockauto stocks them.

   New tires at correct pressure are such a treat! I have new tires on
newly powder-coated TR6 wheels, but they've never made a turn under power.
Soon though, I hope.

   Charlie also writes,

> Waiting for sunny days.....

   I haven't looked at the forecast, as if that was any clue, but after the
next couple of days we may get that window in the weather!

Rick, down the road from Charley

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<div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0Great story Max, if a little terrifying. Tha=
nks for sharing it. Any dealing with the DMV is a crap shoot. Sometimes fla=
wless. Other times incalculable obscurity.=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div=
><div dir=3D"auto">Fellow Texan Charley wrote,<br><div dir=3D"auto"><br></d=
iv><div dir=3D"auto">&gt; Serviced my &#39;69 B starting last month. Took h=
er out for a spin in</div><div dir=3D"auto">&gt; the neighborhood but she w=
ouldn&#39;t pull uphill. Fuel pump volume</div><div dir=3D"auto">&gt; way d=
own, carbs would run almost dry on acceleration.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br=
></div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0Colin Campbell in his landmark book &=
#39;The Sports Car Engine: It&#39;s tuning and modification&#39;, says alwa=
ys to measure fuel pump delivery volume and pressure first. So Charley, you=
&#39;re right on target!</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"=
><a href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/sports-car-engine-tuning-modification/dp=
/0837600448/ref=3Dmp_s_a_1_fkmrnull_1?keywords=3Dcolin+campbell+the+sports+=
car+engine&amp;qid=3D1556061473&amp;s=3Dgateway&amp;sr=3D8-1-fkmrnull">http=
s://www.amazon.com/sports-car-engine-tuning-modification/dp/0837600448/ref=
=3Dmp_s_a_1_fkmrnull_1?keywords=3Dcolin+campbell+the+sports+car+engine&amp;=
qid=3D1556061473&amp;s=3Dgateway&amp;sr=3D8-1-fkmrnull</a><br></div><div di=
r=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0The positive earth fuel=
 pump in my TD failed as well. I too replaced it with an SU electronic pump=
. No problem since. However, when the (appearance of) originality isn&#39;t=
 required, a quite reliable 2-3 psi pump with adequate volume, is available=
 at a quarter the price of the SU. Its a OEM pump for an early carbed Honda=
 Civic! And that&#39;s what&#39;s in my &#39;73 E-Type. Yes, adequate volum=
e for that big V12 at full song. Rockauto stocks them.</div><div dir=3D"aut=
o"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0New tires at correct pressure a=
re such a treat! I have new tires on newly powder-coated TR6 wheels, but th=
ey&#39;ve never made a turn under power. Soon though, I hope.</div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0Charlie also writes,</di=
v><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">&gt; Waiting for sunny days=
.....<br style=3D"">&gt;<br style=3D"">&gt; Charley Robinson<br style=3D"">=
&gt; Kerrville, TX<br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0I haven&#39;t looked at the forecast, as if that was any clue,=
 but after the next couple of days we may get that window in the weather!</=
div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Rick, down the road from =
Charley</div></div></div>

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What I failed to explain was that I had made an appointment at the DMV =
for the day I was having it flat-bedded to the paint shop. When the =
truck got to the front of the line, the inspector told us they =
wouldn=E2=80=99t look at a car on a flat bed or trailer. So we winched =
it down to ground level, THEN he told us he couldn=E2=80=99t look at it =
if the engine was missing. Well, why didn=E2=80=99t you tell us that in =
the first place? And what does the engine have to do with it? And why =
doesn=E2=80=99t it state either of these policies on the DMV web site? =
(No mention anywhere).

Anyway, the paperwork was already made out, minus the VIN inspection. So =
I just kept going to the shop, where it hung out for 3-1/2 years, during =
which time I made the discoveries described previously.

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'66 MGB

> On Apr 23, 2019, at 4:36 PM, Richard Lindsay =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
>    Great story Max, if a little terrifying. Thanks for sharing it. Any =
dealing with the DMV is a crap shoot. Sometimes flawless. Other times =
incalculable obscurity.=20

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class=3D"">What I failed to explain was that I had made an appointment =
at the DMV for the day I was having it flat-bedded to the paint shop. =
When the truck got to the front of the line, the inspector told us they =
wouldn=E2=80=99t look at a car on a flat bed or trailer. So we winched =
it down to ground level, THEN he told us he couldn=E2=80=99t look at it =
if the engine was missing. Well, why didn=E2=80=99t you tell us that in =
the first place? And what does the engine have to do with it? And why =
doesn=E2=80=99t it state either of these policies on the DMV web site? =
(No mention anywhere).<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Anyway, the paperwork was already made out, minus the VIN =
inspection. So I just kept going to the shop, where it hung out for =
3-1/2 years, during which time I made the discoveries described =
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for sharing it. Any dealing with the DMV is a crap shoot. Sometimes =
flawless. Other times incalculable obscurity.&nbsp;<div dir=3D"auto" =
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...and some people want MORE government! :-P

R

On Tue, Apr 23, 2019, 6:52 PM Max Heim via Mgs <[email-masked]> wrote:

> What I failed to explain was that I had made an appointment at the DMV fo=
r
> the day I was having it flat-bedded to the paint shop. When the truck got
> to the front of the line, the inspector told us they wouldn=E2=80=99t loo=
k at a car
> on a flat bed or trailer. So we winched it down to ground level, THEN he
> told us he couldn=E2=80=99t look at it if the engine was missing. Well, w=
hy didn=E2=80=99t
> you tell us that in the first place? And what does the engine have to do
> with it? And why doesn=E2=80=99t it state either of these policies on the=
 DMV web
> site? (No mention anywhere).
>
I
> just kept going to the shop, where it hung out for 3-1/2 years, during
> On Apr 23, 2019, at 4:36 PM, Richard Lindsay <[email-masked]>
> wrote:
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<div dir=3D"auto">...and some people want MORE government! :-P<div dir=3D"a=
uto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">R</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote=
"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 23, 2019, 6:52 PM Max H=
eim via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a=
>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0=
 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wra=
p:break-word">What I failed to explain was that I had made an appointment a=
t the DMV for the day I was having it flat-bedded to the paint shop. When t=
he truck got to the front of the line, the inspector told us they wouldn=E2=
=80=99t look at a car on a flat bed or trailer. So we winched it down to gr=
ound level, THEN he told us he couldn=E2=80=99t look at it if the engine wa=
s missing. Well, why didn=E2=80=99t you tell us that in the first place? An=
d what does the engine have to do with it? And why doesn=E2=80=99t it state=
 either of these policies on the DMV web site? (No mention anywhere).<div><=
br></div><div>Anyway, the paperwork was already made out, minus the VIN ins=
pection. So I just kept going to the shop, where it hung out for 3-1/2 year=
s, during which time I made the discoveries described previously.<div><br><=
div>
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iv style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px">&#39;66 MGB</div></div></div>
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">=C2=A0 =C2=A0Great story Max, if a little terrifying. Thanks for sharing =
it. Any dealing with the DMV is a crap shoot. Sometimes flawless. Other tim=
es incalculable obscurity.=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div></div></div></b=
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I do, just less dmv

Ira Erbs
Portland, OR
typos and artifacts are the fault of my phone

On Tue, Apr 23, 2019, 5:46 PM Richard Lindsay via Mgs <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 23, 2019, 6:52 PM Max Heim via Mgs <[email-masked]> wrote=
:
>
>> What I failed to explain was that I had made an appointment at the DMV
>> for the day I was having it flat-bedded to the paint shop. When the truc=
k
>> got to the front of the line, the inspector told us they wouldn=E2=80=99=
t look at a
>> car on a flat bed or trailer. So we winched it down to ground level, THE=
N
>> he told us he couldn=E2=80=99t look at it if the engine was missing. Wel=
l, why
>> didn=E2=80=99t you tell us that in the first place? And what does the en=
gine have
>> to do with it? And why doesn=E2=80=99t it state either of these policies=
 on the DMV
>> web site? (No mention anywhere).
>>
>> Anyway, the paperwork was already made out, minus the VIN inspection. So
>> I just kept going to the shop, where it hung out for 3-1/2 years, during
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<div dir=3D"auto">I do, just less dmv<br><br><div data-smartmail=3D"gmail_s=
ignature">Ira Erbs<br>Portland, OR<br>typos and artifacts are the fault of =
my phone</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 23, 2019, 5:46 PM Richard Lindsay via Mgs &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><=
/div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-le=
ft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">...and some people wa=
nt MORE government! :-P<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">R</div=
></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr"=
>On Tue, Apr 23, 2019, 6:52 PM Max Heim via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@a=
utox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&=
gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0=
 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:=
break-word">What I failed to explain was that I had made an appointment at =
the DMV for the day I was having it flat-bedded to the paint shop. When the=
 truck got to the front of the line, the inspector told us they wouldn=E2=
=80=99t look at a car on a flat bed or trailer. So we winched it down to gr=
ound level, THEN he told us he couldn=E2=80=99t look at it if the engine wa=
s missing. Well, why didn=E2=80=99t you tell us that in the first place? An=
d what does the engine have to do with it? And why doesn=E2=80=99t it state=
 either of these policies on the DMV web site? (No mention anywhere).<div><=
br></div><div>Anyway, the paperwork was already made out, minus the VIN ins=
pection. So I just kept going to the shop, where it hung out for 3-1/2 year=
s, during which time I made the discoveries described previously.<div><br><=
div>
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e-newline"><div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0Great story Max, if a little=
 terrifying. Thanks for sharing it. Any dealing with the DMV is a crap shoo=
t. Sometimes flawless. Other times incalculable obscurity.=C2=A0<div dir=3D=
"auto"><br></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div>_____=
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From: Simon Matthews via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 19:54:20 -0700

At least you have a car that is titled against a chassis number. My
MGA is taitled against the engine number -- apparently common for
California MGAs.

Simon

On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 12:15 PM Max Heim via Mgs <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
> I bought this 66 MGB roadster as a rolling shell in 2014, from a friend that works at the auction and was just flipping it. The story was it had been stored indoors along with a complete 1965 roadster since possibly the late 1970s (last registration on the “ran when parked" car was 1978). No paperwork of any kind, and no plates, but it had a VIN in the 137XXX range, which made it a mid-67.
>
> But the car had no reverse lamps, which made me dubious, and after it was trailered to the paint shop, they uncovered the chassis stamp, which was 97XXX, making it a very late 1966, which made more sense (this matched the instrument panel layout, as well). Looking at the VIN plate, the numbers were rather wobbly, like it had been hand stamped (well, they were all hand-stamped, but presumably by persons that were experienced at doing it).
>
> After some contemplation, I decided my easiest way forward was to order a blank plate and stamp it with the correct numbers, so when it did go to DMV they would match. I did this after a web search to confirm that the numbers were not in use. As it turned out, the VIN inspection was carried out by a 20-something that had never worked with a pre-1969 vehicle of any kind, and didn’t even look at the chassis number (he would have had to go underneath with a flashlight and a mirror to see it, anyway).
>
> I have no idea what the PO (presumably deceased) had been thinking of. Maybe he had several disassembled cars and just mixed up the tags. Or he acquired this shell with no VIN plate and just made one up, which seems rather negligent (also, it had a BMC 1967 secondary tag on it, which would have to have been transferred from a real 1967, I would think). Who knows? Doesn’t matter, now. It could hardly have been some kind of deception scheme or fraud, since an unrestored MGB shell, unlike your Maseratis or Ferraris, is not only practically valueless, the particular VIN digits have no significance whatsoever.
>
> The discrepancies in paperwork between the transfer of ownership and application for title, which were filed with the “old” “wrong" number, and the VIN verification of the “new” “correct” number were smoothed out by using an independent registration agent. Her services were invaluable. She not only saved me 3 or 4 trips to DMV purgatory, her credibility probably helped this peculiarity sail on through unquestioned. Basically, I just appended an affidavit saying we were mistaken about the number, and were correcting it. And her fee was ridiculously low.
>
> --
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB
>
>
>
> On Apr 23, 2019, at 11:33 AM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> > I...sorted out the PO’s attempted VIN swap.
>
>    Gulp! Glad that's sorted. I bought my Maserati Biturbo E with a lost California title...and then a dead PO! It took me over a year to get that one straightened out! I ended up with a bond title, but the car is mine now and licensed as such.
>
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Simon wrote, responding to Max,

> At least you have a car that is titled against a chassis number.
> My MGA is taitled against the engine number -- apparently common
> for California MGAs.

   Here in Texas the registration and title document includes the VIN, or
car/chassis number, owner's name and address, previous owner's info, and
body color - I think. Oh, and there is an area to indicate if there is a
lean against the car. EasyPeasy if everything is in order. Cumbersome if
not. Perhaps that is how it should be, for our own protection.

   I made a comment earlier about the size of government. I apologize. It
was meant as an old joke, not a political statement. That kind of noise
belongs elsewhere, like Facebook, etc.. We need to argue about important
things like oil additives. YIKES!!!

Rick

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<div dir=3D"auto"><div>Simon wrote, responding to Max,</div><div dir=3D"aut=
o"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">&gt; =
At least you have a car that is titled against a chassis number.</span></di=
v><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">&gt; My=C2=A0</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">MGA is taitled against the engin=
e number -- apparently common</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"=
font-family:sans-serif">&gt; for=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-family:san=
s-serif">California MGAs.</span><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"=
font-family:sans-serif"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"f=
ont-family:sans-serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0Here in Texas the registration and titl=
e document includes the VIN, or car/chassis number, owner&#39;s name and ad=
dress, previous owner&#39;s info, and body color - I think. Oh, and there i=
s an area to indicate if there is a lean against the car. EasyPeasy if ever=
ything is in order. Cumbersome if not. Perhaps that is how it should be, fo=
r our own protection.=C2=A0</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-family:sans-serif"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"fon=
t-family:sans-serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0I made a comment earlier about the size o=
f government. I apologize. It was meant as an old joke, not a political sta=
tement. That kind of noise belongs elsewhere, like Facebook, etc.. We need =
to argue about important things like oil additives. YIKES!!!</span></div><d=
iv dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif"><br></span></div><di=
v dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">Rick</span></div></di=
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From: PaulHunt73 via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2019 12:48:30 +0100 qr2Eqx7/3KKI+gw9OjWI3Mf3kNvHUxrxrnh0RwzvrxLlkWpl/O2UMHpf

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Much the same in the UK plus various dates, engine number and capacity, =
body style, taxation class (Historic i.e. free yay), minus 'lien'.

Still plenty of 'gotchas' though, one of the more recent being that if a =
seller goes online immediately he swaps the car for money to notify the =
DVLA of the sale (so he isn't liable for the purchasers subsequent =
speeding fines), the existing road tax is cancelled and the buyer has to =
retax it before he can drive it.  Tricky if the process takes place at =
the sellers house.  That and others are supposed to reduce the number of =
untaxed and unregistered cars on the roads but there has been an =
explosion in them.  Once a car is off the books they can drive around =
with impunity, with cloned plates applicable to another car, and =
innocent victims copping for their speeding and parking tickets.

PaulH.
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     Here in Texas the registration and title document includes the VIN, =
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is a lean against the car. EasyPeasy if everything is in order. =
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at the sellers house.&nbsp; That and others are supposed to =
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number of untaxed and unregistered cars on the roads but there has been =
an=20
explosion in them.&nbsp; Once a car is off the books they can drive =
around with=20
impunity, with cloned plates&nbsp;applicable to&nbsp;another car, and =
innocent=20
victims copping for their speeding and parking tickets.</FONT></DIV>
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think. Oh,=20
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Hello again,

   I write to open a discussion about ignition timing. Over on the Triumph
forum ( Apologies for using profanity. ) a member wrote, "Just advance the
timing until you notice preignition." Now I recognize that Triumphs use
farm implement engines, but that advice seems a bit sketchy. So let me
write a preface then ask a question.
   The whole reason for ignition advance is to allow time for the flame
front to progress across the combustion chamber and by doing so, to create
the MEP (Mean Effective Pressure) where it does the most work. That is,
where that maximum cylinder pressure occurs with respect to the piston
position and therefore the connecting rod's angular relation to the
crankshaft. Simple geometry says that will happen when the piston is
halfway down, where the rod is at a right angle to the crank pin. But of
course, the MEP is just a single number and theoretical. The pressure
builds as the flame front progresses and continues to build as the piston
moves down.
   The whole process is of course dynamic, and I like dynamic systems.
Consider this; Before TDC the volume of the combustion space is decreasing,
reaching a minimum at TDC. After TDC, the combustion volume is increasing
thereby decreasing the pressure, right where the burning charge is
increasing the pressure. The dynamics of that pressure increase-decrease
becomes obvious, if complex.
   So I wonder if the best solution isn't to just trust the engine
designers' knowledge, experience and testing? And by doing so, to set the
timing to their recommended position - at least as a starting point?
   Okay, to counter that thought; We know engines wear and that their
characteristics change. We also know that fuels are different today. My old
TD's XPAG was designed when fuel's typical octane value was in the low 70s!
   Back to the discussion. We know that the progression of the flame across
the combustion chamber is roughly constant. So the occurance of the MEP is
constant, relative to the spark - but as engine speed increases, so does
piston speed. So the centrifugal advance is there to alight the charge
earlier to keep the MEP where it might do the most good.
   The vacuum advance is a whole other idea. Its basically a system to
compensate for load. And in later cars, the advance and sometimes retard
capsules are emissions related. One last comment on this. My Maserati
Biturbo has capsules on both sides of the distributor but BOTH provide
advance! One is vacuum operated, as with our LBCs. The other is pressure
operated, offering advance when the twin turbos raise the plenum pressure
above ambient. And we thing our LBCs are complex!

   Where and how do YOU set your cars' ignition timing? My TR6 wants 4=C2=
=B0
BTDC. I can't remember what the designers specify for my TD.

Rick, long winded on a Wednesday

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<div dir=3D"auto">Hello again,<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"=
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0I write to open a discussion about ignition timing. Over on t=
he Triumph forum ( Apologies for using profanity. ) a member wrote, &quot;J=
ust advance the timing until you notice preignition.&quot; Now I recognize =
that Triumphs use farm implement engines, but that advice seems a bit sketc=
hy. So let me write a preface then ask a question.</div><div dir=3D"auto">=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0The whole reason for ignition advance is to allow time for the=
 flame front to progress across the combustion chamber and by doing so, to =
create the MEP (Mean Effective Pressure) where it does the most work. That =
is, where that maximum cylinder pressure occurs with respect to the piston =
position and therefore the connecting rod&#39;s angular relation to the cra=
nkshaft. Simple geometry says that will happen when the piston is halfway d=
own, where the rod is at a right angle to the crank pin. But of course, the=
 MEP is just a single number and theoretical. The pressure builds as the fl=
ame front progresses and continues to build as the piston moves down.</div>=
<div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0The whole process is of course dynamic, and =
I like dynamic systems. Consider this; Before TDC the volume of the combust=
ion space is decreasing, reaching a minimum at TDC. After TDC, the combusti=
on volume is increasing thereby decreasing the pressure, right where the bu=
rning charge is increasing the pressure. The dynamics of that pressure incr=
ease-decrease becomes obvious, if complex.</div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0So I wonder if the best solution isn&#39;t to just trust the engine d=
esigners&#39; knowledge, experience and testing? And by doing so, to set th=
e timing to their recommended position - at least as a starting point?</div=
><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0Okay, to counter that thought; We know engi=
nes wear and that their characteristics change. We also know that fuels are=
 different today. My old TD&#39;s XPAG was designed when fuel&#39;s typical=
 octane value was in the low 70s!</div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0Back =
to the discussion. We know that the progression of the flame across the com=
bustion chamber is roughly constant. So the occurance of the MEP is constan=
t, relative to the spark - but as engine speed increases, so does piston sp=
eed. So the centrifugal advance is there to alight the charge earlier to ke=
ep the MEP where it might do the most good.</div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0The vacuum advance is a whole other idea. Its basically a system to c=
ompensate for load. And in later cars, the advance and sometimes retard cap=
sules are emissions related. One last comment on this. My Maserati Biturbo =
has capsules on both sides of the distributor but BOTH provide advance! One=
 is vacuum operated, as with our LBCs. The other is pressure operated, offe=
ring advance when the twin turbos raise the plenum pressure above ambient. =
And we thing our LBCs are complex!</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div di=
r=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0Where and how do YOU set your cars&#39; ignition ti=
ming? My TR6 wants 4=C2=B0 BTDC. I can&#39;t remember what the designers sp=
ecify for my TD.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Rick, l=
ong winded on a Wednesday</div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0</div></div>

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"until you notice preignition"  Is a bit drastic.  Haynes says to drive =
at full throttle in 4th from 30 to 50 and advance until faint pinking =
can be heard.  However I've noticed that I can get pinking at part =
throttle and opening the throttle further stops it, either because the =
bigger charge cools the combustion chamber more, or the vacuum advance =
backs off.  So I use the criteria 'at any combination of throttle, revs =
and load' and keep it just short of that. =20

The reason Haynes says that you can benefit from advancing it over book =
values is that with the level of engineering used in our engines some =
will be more prone to pinking than others,and the book caters for the =
worst case, and maybe with a bit of a safety factor.  That was =
definitely the case with an A-series in the 70s, which as a new car and =
dealer serviced always came back running like a dog (comparatively) as =
they always put it back to book.  But on my 73 MGB I couldn't run more =
than book, even on leaded, and have to retard slightly from that on =
unleaded even 99 octane.

Whether it pinks or not also depends on terrain.  Living in a relatively =
flat part of the world I don't get pinking, but when touring in Wales =
and other mountainous areas it can.  The 25D4 distributor is a great =
benefit here as it allows one to retard the timing a degree or two very =
easily, also if one can't get higher octane fuel in rural areas.

Completely agree with your reasoning behind centrifugal and vacuum =
advance, but:

"The other is pressure operated, offering advance when the twin turbos =
raise the plenum pressure above ambient."

Are you sure that isn't vacuum retard?  If the turbos were increasing =
the pressure I'd expect that to make spontaneous combustion more likely, =
needing retarding to control.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----=20
     I write to open a discussion about ignition timing. Over on the =
Triumph forum ( Apologies for using profanity. ) a member wrote, "Just =
advance the timing until you notice preignition." Now I recognize that =
Triumphs use farm implement engines, but that advice seems a bit =
sketchy. So let me write a preface then ask a question.

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to 50=20
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that I=20
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advancing it=20
over book values is that with the level of engineering used in our =
engines some=20
will be more prone to pinking than others,and the book caters for the =
worst=20
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the=20
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always=20
came back running like a dog (comparatively) as they always put it back =
to=20
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leaded, and=20
have to retard slightly from that on unleaded even 99 =
octane.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D3>Whether it pinks or not also depends on =
terrain.&nbsp; Living=20
in a relatively flat part of the world I don't get pinking, but when =
touring in=20
Wales and other mountainous areas it can.&nbsp; The 25D4 distributor is =
a great=20
benefit here as it allows one to retard the timing a degree or two very =
easily,=20
also if one can't get higher octane fuel in rural areas.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Completely agree with your reasoning behind =
centrifugal and=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>"</FONT><FONT size=3D3>The other is pressure =
operated, offering=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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turbos=20
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combustion more=20
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   Wow Paul! There are always people who find ways to cheat the system.
   Another whole discussion has to do with the 'road tax' that you mention.
Its not a topic worthy of extended discussion here, but it is a concern.
   Ages ago I offered to sell my Mondial QV to an old friend in Porto,
Portugal. He wanted the car and the price was right, about $24k. However,
that Ferrari has a 3.0 liter V8 engine and Portugal's tax structure classes
that engine as 'large'. The tax to import that car into the EU, plus road
tax (or whatever they call it) was to be MORE than the cost of the car! I
could have given him the car and it still wouldn't have been a good deal!
   Here in the States we forget how lucky we are with automobile taxes and
fuel. In Texas we pay a 'sales tax', the equivalent of VAT, each time a car
is transferred. Rounded up, its about 7% of the 'value' of the car. Its a
one time charge, except for annual re-registration for a nominal fee (about
$67).
   As is always the case, 'value' is a poorly defined term. In the case of
the DMV, TXDOT, it appears to be the greater of the actual purchase price
or the DMV's established value of the car. That works fine for a 2017 Ford
but there are no MGAs in their value guide. Therefore, its important to
present a Bill-of-Sale to establish value. And since tax is paid based upon
value, it is common practice here to falsify the Bill-of-Sale. Yea, back to
that cheating the system.
   We don't have a road tax, *per se*., other than that which is added to
the price of fuel. We know that big engines burn more fuel, but otherwise,
that 'road tax' is independent of car type. Then again, our fuel is so
cheap that the topic is barely worthy of discussion. I live where much of
the nation's fuel is refined so prices are even lower, due to minimal
transportation costs.
   Please remember, much of what I have written above pertains to Texas,
not the USA in general. In the States, much of the tax structure is set by
the state, added on to whatever the national government imposes. That's
sometimes confusing for those living outside of the USA.

Rick

On Wed, Apr 24, 2019, 7:04 AM PaulHunt73 via Mgs <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Much the same in the UK plus various dates, engine number and capacity,
> Still plenty of 'gotchas' though, one of the more recent being that if a
> seller goes online immediately he swaps the car for money to notify the
> DVLA of the sale (so he isn't liable for the purchasers subsequent speeding
> fines), the existing road tax is cancelled and the buyer has to retax it
> before he can drive it.  Tricky if the process takes place at the sellers
> house.  That and others are supposed to reduce the number of untaxed and
> unregistered cars on the roads but there has been an explosion in them.
> Once a car is off the books they can drive around with impunity, with
> cloned plates applicable to another car, and innocent victims copping for
> their speeding and parking tickets.
>
> PaulH.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>

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<div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0Wow Paul! There are always people who find w=
ays to cheat the system.<div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0Another whole discus=
sion has to do with the &#39;road tax&#39; that you mention. Its not a topi=
c worthy of extended discussion here, but it is a concern.</div><div dir=3D=
"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0Ages ago I offered to sell my Mondial QV to an old frie=
nd in Porto, Portugal. He wanted the car and the price was right, about $24=
k. However, that Ferrari has a 3.0 liter V8 engine and Portugal&#39;s tax s=
tructure classes that engine as &#39;large&#39;. The tax to import that car=
 into the EU, plus road tax (or whatever they call it) was to be MORE than =
the cost of the car! I could have given him the car and it still wouldn&#39=
;t have been a good deal!</div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0Here in the S=
tates we forget how lucky we are with automobile taxes and fuel. In Texas w=
e pay a &#39;sales tax&#39;, the equivalent of VAT, each time a car is tran=
sferred. Rounded up, its about 7% of the &#39;value&#39; of the car. Its a =
one time charge, except for annual re-registration for a nominal fee (about=
 $67).</div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0As is always the case, &#39;valu=
e&#39; is a poorly defined term. In the case of the DMV, TXDOT, it appears =
to be the greater of the actual purchase price or the DMV&#39;s established=
 value of the car. That works fine for a 2017 Ford but there are no MGAs in=
 their value guide. Therefore, its important to present a Bill-of-Sale to e=
stablish value. And since tax is paid based upon value, it is common practi=
ce here to falsify the Bill-of-Sale. Yea, back to that cheating the system.=
</div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0We don&#39;t have a road tax, <i>per s=
e</i>., other than that which is added to the price of fuel. We know that b=
ig engines burn more fuel, but otherwise, that &#39;road tax&#39; is indepe=
ndent of car type. Then again, our fuel is so cheap that the topic is barel=
y worthy of discussion. I live where much of the nation&#39;s fuel is refin=
ed so prices are even lower, due to minimal transportation costs.</div><div=
 dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0Please remember, much of what I have written abo=
ve pertains to Texas, not the USA in general. In the States, much of the ta=
x structure is set by the state, added on to whatever the national governme=
nt imposes. That&#39;s sometimes confusing for those living outside of the =
USA.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Rick</div></div><br=
><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, A=
pr 24, 2019, 7:04 AM PaulHunt73 via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
m.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left=
:1ex"><u></u>

<div bgcolor=3D"#ffffff">
<div><font size=3D"2">Much the same in the UK plus various dates, engine nu=
mber and=20
capacity, body style, taxation class (Historic i.e. free yay),=C2=A0minus=
=20
&#39;lien&#39;.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"2">Still plenty of &#39;gotchas&#39; though, one of the =
more recent being=20
that if a seller goes online immediately he swaps the car for=C2=A0money to=
=20
notify the DVLA of the sale (so he isn&#39;t liable for the purchasers subs=
equent=20
speeding fines), the existing road tax is cancelled and the buyer has=20
to=C2=A0retax it before he can drive it.=C2=A0 Tricky if the process takes =
place=20
at the sellers house.=C2=A0 That and others are supposed to reduce=C2=A0the=
=20
number of untaxed and unregistered cars on the roads but there has been an=
=20
explosion in them.=C2=A0 Once a car is off the books they can drive around =
with=20
impunity, with cloned plates=C2=A0applicable to=C2=A0another car, and innoc=
ent=20
victims copping for their speeding and parking tickets.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"2">PaulH.</font></div>
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  <div dir=3D"auto">
  <div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0Her=
e in Texas=20
  the registration and title document includes the VIN, or car/chassis numb=
er,=20
  owner&#39;s name and address, previous owner&#39;s info, and body color -=
 I think. Oh,=20
  and there is an area to indicate if there is a lean against the car. Easy=
Peasy=20
  if everything is in order. Cumbersome if not. Perhaps that is how it shou=
ld=20
  be, for our own protection.=C2=A0</span></div>
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   Paul, I agree completely with your assessment and recommendation for
timing.

> Completely agree with your reasoning behind centrifugal and vacuum
> advance, but:
>
>> "The other is pressure operated, offering advance when
>> the twin turbos raise the plenum pressure above ambient."
>
> Are you sure that isn't vacuum retard?

  Yea, I wrestled with that for ages when restoring my car. The early
Biturbo turbos blow through the carburetor, which is enclosed in the
plenum. When boost comes up, vacuum advance fails so the other capsule
takes over. Its a nasty, complex system with flow restrictors in various
vacum/pressure lines to retard reaction time. It almost destroyed my love
of dynamic systems! :-P

> If the turbos were increasing the pressure I'd expect that to
> make spontaneous combustion more likely, needing retarding to
> control.

   You are of course, correct. And to make things even more complex, the
problem you describe is handled by a knock sensor feeding the MABC
(Maserati Automatic Boost Control) computer. When preignition or pinking
occurs, the computer modulates the waste gates to reduce the boost.
   And to beat this dead horse a tiny bit more; The Biturbo's MABC does not
work like conventional boost control systems where boost is just dumped by
the waste gates when some maximum is reached. The turbos in the Biturbo are
small but there are two of them. And they make more boost at all engine
speeds - other than idle, I guess - than the engine can use. Therefore, the
MABC continuously modulates the waste gates to keep the maximum boost under
1 bar. They are always working at some level. The only true 'dump' occurs
when lifting from WOT. Yea, TMI. Now back to proper engines with proper
systems. :-) Thanks again Paul, for the technical insight.

Rick

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<div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0Paul, I agree completely with your assessmen=
t and recommendation for timing.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote" dir=3D"a=
uto"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr"><div style=3D"" dir=3D"auto">&gt=
; Completely agree with your reasoning behind centrifugal and vacuum</div><=
div style=3D"" dir=3D"auto">&gt; advance, but:</div><div style=3D"" dir=3D"=
auto"><div>&gt;</div><div>&gt;&gt; &quot;The other is pressure operated, of=
fering advance when</div><div dir=3D"auto">&gt;&gt; the twin turbos raise t=
he plenum pressure above ambient.&quot;</div><div>&gt;=C2=A0</div></div><di=
v style=3D"" dir=3D"auto">&gt; Are you sure that isn&#39;t vacuum retard?</=
div><div style=3D"" dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div style=3D"" dir=3D"auto">=C2=
=A0 Yea, I wrestled with that for ages when restoring my car. The early Bit=
urbo turbos blow through the carburetor, which is enclosed in the plenum. W=
hen boost comes up, vacuum advance fails so the other capsule takes over. I=
ts a nasty, complex system with flow restrictors in various vacum/pressure =
lines to retard reaction time. It almost destroyed my love of dynamic syste=
ms! :-P</div><div style=3D"" dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div style=3D"" dir=3D"=
auto">&gt; If the turbos were increasing the pressure I&#39;d expect that t=
o</div><div style=3D"" dir=3D"auto">&gt; make spontaneous combustion more l=
ikely, needing retarding to</div><div style=3D"" dir=3D"auto">&gt; control.=
</div><div style=3D"" dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div style=3D"" dir=3D"auto">=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0You are of course, correct. And to make things even more compl=
ex, the problem you describe is handled by a knock sensor feeding the MABC =
(Maserati Automatic Boost Control) computer. When preignition or pinking oc=
curs, the computer modulates the waste gates to reduce the boost.</div><div=
 style=3D"" dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0And to beat this dead horse a tiny bi=
t more; The Biturbo&#39;s MABC does not work like conventional boost contro=
l systems where boost is just dumped by the waste gates when some maximum i=
s reached. The turbos in the Biturbo are small but there are two of them. A=
nd they make more boost at all engine speeds - other than idle, I guess - t=
han the engine can use. Therefore, the MABC continuously modulates the wast=
e gates to keep the maximum boost under 1 bar. They are always working at s=
ome level. The only true &#39;dump&#39; occurs when lifting from WOT. Yea, =
TMI. Now back to proper engines with proper systems. :-) Thanks again Paul,=
 for the technical insight.</div><div style=3D"" dir=3D"auto"><br></div><di=
v style=3D"" dir=3D"auto">Rick</div></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
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From: Charley Robinson via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2019 08:41:38 -0500

That comment,  "Just advance the timing until you notice preignition."  
has to be taken in the context of how much advance can you dial in 
before it starts to ping under load.   It's a rough attempt to dial in a 
particular engine/fuel combination.  I think most of us know the trial 
and error method.

To answer your question: My B engine is set at ~12* advance @ 850 - 900 
RPM with the vac disconnected.  It pulls well through the midrange  set 
that way.  But my engine kind of "parts is parts." It's a 18V block with 
GH innards (flat -top pistons).  All this topped by a pre-smog head and 
HS-4 carbs.  So I had to tweak it to get it to run the way I like it on 
mid-grade gas.

CR

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  > Are you sure that isn't vacuum retard?

    Yea, I wrestled with that for ages when restoring my car. The early =
Biturbo turbos blow through the carburetor, which is enclosed in the =
plenum. When boost comes up, vacuum advance fails so the other capsule =
takes over. Its a nasty, complex system with flow restrictors in various =
vacum/pressure lines to retard reaction time. It almost destroyed my =
love of dynamic systems! :-P

  Ah of course - boost kills 'vacuum' advance, so 'pressure' advance =
takes over.

  ... When preignition or pinking occurs, the computer modulates the =
waste gates to reduce the boost.

  For a long time I messed around trying to get a 'knock-sensing retard' =
system onto the MGB, but the engine is so noisy the knock sensor was =
triggering all the time!  Early BL computer controlled systems used that =
instead of (or maybe as well as) fixed maps, suddenly tread on the =
throttle to pull away and you could hear it pink like billy-oh, then =
rapidly reduce as the system retarded.  Had it worked it would have =
largely taken the place of centrifugal and vacuum advance, but never =
mind.

  Paul.
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  <DIV dir=3Dauto>&nbsp; Yea, I wrestled with that for ages when =
restoring my car.=20
  The early Biturbo turbos blow through the carburetor, which is =
enclosed in the=20
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Awesome Charley. No factory manual is going to adequately prescribe the
right answer for your FrankenMGB. You must love engine building as much as
do I.

R

> HS-4 carbs.  So I had to tweak it to get it to run the way I like it on

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<div dir=3D"auto"><div>Awesome Charley. No factory manual is going to adequ=
ately prescribe the right answer for your FrankenMGB. You must love engine =
building as much as do I.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto=
">R<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote" dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Apr 24, 2019, 8:41 AM Charley Robinson &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #=
ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">That comment,=C2=A0 &quot;Just advance the timi=
ng until you notice preignition.&quot;=C2=A0 <br>
has to be taken in the context of how much advance can you dial in <br>
before it starts to ping under load.=C2=A0=C2=A0 It&#39;s a rough attempt t=
o dial in a <br>
particular engine/fuel combination.=C2=A0 I think most of us know the trial=
 <br>
and error method.<br>
<br>
To answer your question: My B engine is set at ~12* advance @ 850 - 900 <br=
RPM with the vac disconnected.=C2=A0 It pulls well through the midrange=C2=
=A0 set <br>
that way.=C2=A0 But my engine kind of &quot;parts is parts.&quot; It&#39;s =
a 18V block with <br>
GH innards (flat -top pistons).=C2=A0 All this topped by a pre-smog head an=
d <br>
HS-4 carbs.=C2=A0 So I had to tweak it to get it to run the way I like it o=
n <br>
mid-grade gas.<br>
<br>
CR<br>
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OK, if anyone in the area of San Jose CA needs an auto registrar, I=E2=80=99=
d be happy to pass along her information. I don't think I should post it =
on the list, however.

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'66 MGB

> On Apr 24, 2019, at 6:12 AM, Barrie Robinson <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> Hello Max,
>=20
> Maybe you should give her contact information - with her permission of =
course !!!
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On 4/23/2019 3:14 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:
>>=20
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class=3D"">OK, if anyone in the area of San Jose CA needs an auto =
registrar, I=E2=80=99d be happy to pass along her information. I don't =
think I should post it on the list, however.<div class=3D""><br =

<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Apr 24, 2019, at 6:12 AM, Barrie Robinson &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D"">
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    <font size=3D"-1" class=3D""><font face=3D"Arial" class=3D"">Hello =
Max,<br class=3D"">
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        Maybe you should give her contact information - with her
        permission of course !!!<br class=3D"">
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        <img moz-do-not-send=3D"false" alt=3D"" class=3D"" =
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Mgs
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    <blockquote type=3D"cite" =
cite=3D"mid:[email-masked]" class=3D""><br=
 class=3D""><div class=3D"">
        <div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
        </div>
        <div class=3D"">The discrepancies in paperwork between the
          transfer of ownership and application for title, which were
          filed with the =E2=80=9Cold=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9Cwrong" number, =
and the VIN verification
          of the =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9Ccorrect=E2=80=9D number =
were smoothed out by using an
          independent registration agent. Her services were invaluable.
          She not only saved me 3 or 4 trips to DMV purgatory, her
          credibility probably helped this peculiarity sail on through
          unquestioned. Basically, I just appended an affidavit saying
          we were mistaken about the number, and were correcting it. And
          her fee was ridiculously low.</div>
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        </div>
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break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space;" class=3D"">
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text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: =
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after-white-space;" class=3D"">
                <div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; min-height:
                  16px;" class=3D"">Max Heim</div>
                <div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px;" =
class=3D"">'66
                  MGB</div>
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                Lindsay via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                wrote:</div>
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              <div class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Verdana;
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                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">&gt; I...sorted out the PO=E2=80=99s attempted VIN
                  swap.</span><br style=3D"font-family: Verdana;
                  font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
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                <br style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px;
                  font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal;
                  font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal;
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                  -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display:
                  inline !important;" class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp;Gulp! Glad =
that's
                  sorted. I bought my Maserati Biturbo E with a lost
                  California title...and then a dead PO! It took me over
                  a year to get that one straightened out! I ended up
                  with a bond title, but the car is mine now and
                  licensed as such.</span></div>
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