Subject: Re: [Mgs] A short tale of parts & service [Postscript]

From: Max Heim via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2018 14:04:49 -0700

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I just got the engine back together, but now the temperature gauge is =
malfunctioning.

It seems to have got stuck at about 220. That=E2=80=99s what it was =
reading before I even tried to start the car. After warming up to =
operating temp (estimated, of course), the gauge had climbed into the =
oil pressure zone, reading at 85 psi. At this point my cheap temp gun =
had the thermostat housing at around 180.

Anyone seen this before? Any suggestions?

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Max Heim
'66 MGB

> On Sep 26, 2018, at 9:11 AM, Max Heim via Mgs <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
>=20
> Actually, when we finally got to my house, we swapped the luggage into =
my 1967 Barracuda convertible and headed up the freeway to catch up with =
the Melee. Reached the first night=E2=80=99s stop in Red Bluff by 7pm.
>=20
> Not the first participants to have to pull in a backup vehicle=E2=80=A6
>=20
> The plastic blade didn=E2=80=99t directly =E2=80=9Cpuncture=E2=80=9D =
the radiator, actually. But it was trapped inside the shroud, and wound =
up smashing several tubes right where they enter the top and bottom =
tanks (the blade being caught on the lip of the tank at each revolution, =
I think). I didn't even know that it had thrown a blade until I started =
disassembly =E2=80=94 I was assuming the 50+ year old radiator had just =
suddenly developed a stress crack after being transferred from one body =
to another.
>=20
> With 5 or 6 tubes mangled top and bottom, it lost coolant instantly, =
and the radiator shop said it was irreparable other than by completely =
recoring it.
>=20
> --
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB
>=20
>> On Sep 26, 2018, at 3:56 AM, Dan DiBiase <[email-masked] =
>>=20
>> A bummer that you couldn't participate in the melee, Max, I bet you =
were disappointed. Good recovery by Moss, though.=20
>>=20
>> Just tells you how fast these things spin, for a plastic blade to =
puncture a metal radiator!=20
>>=20
>> Dan D
>> '76B, '65B
>> Central NJ USA
>> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ <http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/>
>>=20
>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 11:36 PM Max Heim via Mgs <[email-masked] =
>> I haven=E2=80=99t said much on the list about my project. but I got =
my =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=9D 66 B roadster together in time for the start of =
the California Melee on Sept. 8. Unfortunately, a blade flew off the new =
Moss plastic fan within the first ten miles and punctured the radiator, =
so that was as far as it got =E2=80=94 from the San Francisco Presidio =
to Marin Civic Center.=20
>>=20
>> I made the mistake of trying to get it to the next exit (it was a bad =
place to be on the shoulder, between the sound wall and 5 lanes of =
traffic doing 75+), which resulted in overheating and a blown head =
gasket. Total mileage to failure on this fan was 307 miles.
>>=20
>> Subsequent examination of the stub revealed an air pocket in the =
plastic right at the center of the base of the blade. Moss accepted my =
photo of this as evidence of a manufacturing flaw. This model of fan was =
already out of production (and out of warranty) =E2=80=94 I had =
purchased it as part of a large order back in 2015 when the car body was =
still in the paint shop.
>>=20
>> But regardless, they decided to send me a new fan ("new model" nylon =
7-blade fan) and a new aluminum radiator (the shop had told me mine was =
irreparable). I thought this was pretty decent of them.
>>=20
>> I just picked up my head at the machine shop where they had skimmed =
the surface and cleaned up the valves. In the meantime I had inspected =
the lifters based on a tip from Dave at British Motorsports in Campbell =
and found a few of them were showing pitting. By replacing them now I =
can save the cam.
>>=20
>> Now I just need to pick up the lifters and the gasket set and I =
should be able to have it back together this weekend.
>>=20
>> A few tips based on my experience:
>>=20
>> 1. Just shut it down. If I had stayed out on the freeway verge I =
would have saved the head gasket, and AAA would have picked me up in a =
timely manner. But since I had reported myself =E2=80=9Csafe=E2=80=9D =
and off the highway, it took 4 hours to get a tow.=20
>>=20
>> 2. Check your lifters every so often. I had replaced the cam and =
lifters due to lifter spalling sometime between 1998 and 2010. The new =
lifters were just starting to pit in 2018.
>>=20
>> 3. If you have a yellow plastic 7-bladed fan from Moss USA purchased =
prior to mid-2015, you may want to consider retiring it. I suppose if it =
hasn=E2=80=99t broken so far, it probably doesn=E2=80=99t have air =
bubbles in a critical location. But they had perhaps a dozen reported =
incidents. The current product being sold as part #434-332 is a =
different pattern by a different maker in a different material, so =
should not be a cause for worry.
>>=20
>> Buy British, Buy Best!
>>=20
>> --
>> Max Heim
>> '66 MGB
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class=3D"">I just got the engine back together, but now the temperature =
gauge is malfunctioning.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">It seems to have got stuck at about 220. That=E2=80=99s what =
it was reading before I even tried to start the car. After warming up to =
operating temp (estimated, of course), the gauge had climbed into the =
oil pressure zone, reading at 85 psi. At this point my cheap temp gun =
had the thermostat housing at around 180.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Anyone seen this before? Any =
suggestions?</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br=
 class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; text-align: =
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
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class=3D"">--</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; =
min-height: 16px;" class=3D"">Max Heim</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; =
font-size: 13px;" class=3D"">'66 MGB</div></div></div>
</div>

<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Sep 26, 2018, at 9:11 AM, Max Heim via Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html charset=3Dutf-8" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: =
space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">Actually, when =
we finally got to my house, we swapped the luggage into my 1967 =
Barracuda convertible and headed up the freeway to catch up with the =
Melee. Reached the first night=E2=80=99s stop in Red Bluff by 7pm.<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Not the first =
participants to have to pull in a backup vehicle=E2=80=A6</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">The plastic blade =
didn=E2=80=99t directly =E2=80=9Cpuncture=E2=80=9D the radiator, =
actually. But it was trapped inside the shroud, and wound up smashing =
several tubes right where they enter the top and bottom tanks (the blade =
being caught on the lip of the tank at each revolution, I think). I =
didn't even know that it had thrown a blade until I started disassembly =
=E2=80=94 I was assuming the 50+ year old radiator had just suddenly =
developed a stress crack after being transferred from one body to =
another.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">With =
5 or 6 tubes mangled top and bottom, it lost coolant instantly, and the =
radiator shop said it was irreparable other than by completely recoring =
it.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">
<div style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: =
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: =
break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space;" class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: =
13px;" class=3D"">--</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; =
min-height: 16px;" class=3D"">Max Heim</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; =
font-size: 13px;" class=3D"">'66 MGB</div></div></div>
</div>

<br class=3D""><div class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Sep 26, 2018, at 3:56 AM, Dan DiBiase &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"">A bummer that you couldn't participate in the melee, Max, I =
bet you were disappointed. Good recovery by Moss, though.&nbsp;<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Just tells you how fast =
these things spin, for a plastic blade to puncture a metal =
radiator!&nbsp;<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Dan =
D</div><div class=3D"">'76B, '65B</div><div class=3D"">Central NJ USA<br =
clear=3D"all" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><a href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/" =
target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a></div></div></div><br =
class=3D""></div></div></div><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 =
at 11:36 PM Max Heim via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div =
style=3D"word-wrap:break-word" class=3D""><div class=3D"">I haven=E2=80=99=
t said much on the list about my project. but I got my =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=9D=
 66 B roadster together in time for the start of the California Melee on =
Sept. 8. Unfortunately, a blade flew off the new Moss plastic fan within =
the first ten miles and punctured the radiator, so that was as far as it =
got =E2=80=94 from the San Francisco Presidio to Marin Civic =
Center.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I =
made the mistake of trying to get it to the next exit (it was a bad =
place to be on the shoulder, between the sound wall and 5 lanes of =
traffic doing 75+), which resulted in overheating and a blown head =
gasket. Total mileage to failure on this fan was 307 miles.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Subsequent examination =
of the stub revealed an air pocket in the plastic right at the center of =
the base of the blade. Moss accepted my photo of this as evidence of a =
manufacturing flaw. This model of fan was already out of production (and =
out of warranty) =E2=80=94 I had purchased it as part of a large order =
back in 2015 when the car body was still in the paint shop.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">But regardless, they =
decided to send me a new fan ("new model" nylon 7-blade fan) and a new =
aluminum radiator (the shop had told me mine was irreparable). I thought =
this was pretty decent of them.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I just picked up my head at the machine =
shop where they had skimmed the surface and cleaned up the valves. In =
the meantime I had inspected the lifters based on a tip from Dave at =
British Motorsports in Campbell and found a few of them were showing =
pitting. By replacing them now I can save the cam.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Now I just need to pick =
up the lifters and the gasket set and I should be able to have it back =
together this weekend.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">A few tips based on my experience:</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">1. Just shut it down. If I had stayed =
out on the freeway verge I would have saved the head gasket, and AAA =
would have picked me up in a timely manner. But since I had reported =
myself =E2=80=9Csafe=E2=80=9D and off the highway, it took 4 hours to =
get a tow.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">2. Check your lifters every so often. I had replaced the cam =
and lifters due to lifter spalling sometime between 1998 and 2010. The =
new lifters were just starting to pit in 2018.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div>3. If you have a yellow plastic 7-bladed fan from Moss =
USA purchased prior to mid-2015, you may want to consider retiring it. I =
suppose if it hasn=E2=80=99t broken so far, it probably doesn=E2=80=99t =
have air bubbles in a critical location. But they had perhaps a dozen =
reported incidents. The current product being sold as part #434-332 is a =
different pattern by a different maker in a different material, so =
should not be a cause for worry.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Buy British, Buy Best!</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div=
 class=3D"">
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Heim</div><div style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px" class=3D"">'66 =
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From: Max Heim via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2018 16:38:04 -0700

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How could the capsule get damaged?

I unscrewed it from the head, and gently pulled the tube out of the way. =
Then I replaced it after replacing the head.

Unfortunately, it never occurred to me to see what the gauge was reading =
while the head was off and the capsule was resting on the inner fender.

I=E2=80=99m not sure what the test would demonstrate. I already know it =
responds to temperature changes, so the capillary tube is not broken. =
The problem seems to be at the gauge end. I just can=E2=80=99t figure =
out what that would be.

I know there is a flattened tube rolled into a coil inside the gauge. =
Could it have unrolled beyond its intended limit during the overheating =
episode, and is now hung up on some protuberance inside the housing, =
preventing it from recoiling?

--
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[email-masked]

> On Oct 7, 2018, at 3:49 PM, B H <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
>   Yours has the non-electric temp sender and gauge?=20
>   If it does, the gauge is moved by pressure of expanding ether in the =
little capsule that is screwed into the engine. If it reads 220 from the =
beginning, my guess is that the capsule got squeezed or the tube damaged =
during the R&R.
>   Test by removing capsule from engine, and putting it into a pan of =
hot water. Check the temp with your hand-held thermometer.
> Bob
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> On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 6:30 PM Max Heim via Mgs <[email-masked] =
malfunctioning.
>> On Sep 26, 2018, at 9:11 AM, Max Heim via Mgs <[email-masked] =
>>=20
>> Actually, when we finally got to my house, we swapped the luggage =
into my 1967 Barracuda convertible and headed up the freeway to catch up =
with the Melee. Reached the first night=E2=80=99s stop in Red Bluff by =
7pm.
>>=20
>> Not the first participants to have to pull in a backup vehicle=E2=80=A6=

>>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 11:36 PM Max Heim via Mgs =
>>>=20
>>> I made the mistake of trying to get it to the next exit (it was a =
bad place to be on the shoulder, between the sound wall and 5 lanes of =
traffic doing 75+), which resulted in overheating and a blown head =
gasket. Total mileage to failure on this fan was 307 miles.
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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">How could the capsule get damaged?<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I unscrewed it from the head, and =
gently pulled the tube out of the way. Then I replaced it after =
replacing the head.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Unfortunately, it never occurred to me to see what the gauge =
was reading while the head was off and the capsule was resting on the =
inner fender.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">I=E2=80=99m not sure what the test would demonstrate. I =
already know it responds to temperature changes, so the capillary tube =
is not broken. The problem seems to be at the gauge end. I just can=E2=80=99=
t figure out what that would be.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I know there is a flattened tube rolled =
into a coil inside the gauge. Could it have unrolled beyond its intended =
limit during the overheating episode, and is now hung up on some =
protuberance inside the housing, preventing it from recoiling?</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">
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<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Oct 7, 2018, at 3:49 PM, B H &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">&nbsp; Yours has the non-electric temp sender =
and gauge?<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">&nbsp; If it does, the gauge is moved =
by pressure of expanding ether in the little capsule that is screwed =
into the engine. If it reads 220 from the beginning, my guess is that =
the capsule got squeezed or the tube damaged during the =
R&amp;R.</div><div class=3D"">&nbsp; Test by removing capsule from =
engine, and putting it into a pan of hot water. Check the temp with your =
hand-held thermometer.</div><div class=3D"">Bob</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div></div><br style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 6:30 PM Max Heim via Mgs =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; =
border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div =
style=3D"word-wrap: break-word;" class=3D"">I just got the engine back =
together, but now the temperature gauge is malfunctioning.<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">It seems to have got =
stuck at about 220. That=E2=80=99s what it was reading before I even =
tried to start the car. After warming up to operating temp (estimated, =
of course), the gauge had climbed into the oil pressure zone, reading at =
85 psi. At this point my cheap temp gun had the thermostat housing at =
around 180.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Anyone seen this before? Any suggestions?</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; =
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class=3D"">--</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; =
min-height: 16px;" class=3D"">Max Heim</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; =
font-size: 13px;" class=3D"">'66 MGB</div></div></div></div><br =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Sep 26, 2018, at 9:11 AM, Max Heim via Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"m_-7840722686676637303Apple-interchange-newline"><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word;" class=3D"">Actually, =
when we finally got to my house, we swapped the luggage into my 1967 =
Barracuda convertible and headed up the freeway to catch up with the =
Melee. Reached the first night=E2=80=99s stop in Red Bluff by 7pm.<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Not the first =
participants to have to pull in a backup vehicle=E2=80=A6</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">The plastic blade =
didn=E2=80=99t directly =E2=80=9Cpuncture=E2=80=9D the radiator, =
actually. But it was trapped inside the shroud, and wound up smashing =
several tubes right where they enter the top and bottom tanks (the blade =
being caught on the lip of the tank at each revolution, I think). I =
didn't even know that it had thrown a blade until I started disassembly =
=E2=80=94 I was assuming the 50+ year old radiator had just suddenly =
developed a stress crack after being transferred from one body to =
another.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">With =
5 or 6 tubes mangled top and bottom, it lost coolant instantly, and the =
radiator shop said it was irreparable other than by completely recoring =
it.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
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style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px;" class=3D"">--</div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; min-height: 16px;" class=3D"">Max =
Heim</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px;" class=3D"">'66 =
MGB</div></div></div></div><br class=3D""><div class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Sep 26, 2018, at 3:56 AM, =
Dan DiBiase &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank"=
 class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"m_-7840722686676637303Apple-interchange-newline"><div =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">A bummer that you couldn't =
participate in the melee, Max, I bet you were disappointed. Good =
recovery by Moss, though.&nbsp;<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Just tells you how fast these things spin, for a plastic =
blade to puncture a metal radiator!&nbsp;<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Dan D</div><div class=3D"">'76B, =
'65B</div><div class=3D"">Central NJ USA<br clear=3D"all" class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"m_-7840722686676637303gmail_signature" =
data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><a =
href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a></div></div></div><br =
class=3D""></div></div></div><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 =
at 11:36 PM Max Heim via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; =
border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div =
style=3D"word-wrap: break-word;" class=3D""><div class=3D"">I haven=E2=80=99=
t said much on the list about my project. but I got my =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=9D=
 66 B roadster together in time for the start of the California Melee on =
Sept. 8. Unfortunately, a blade flew off the new Moss plastic fan within =
the first ten miles and punctured the radiator, so that was as far as it =
got =E2=80=94 from the San Francisco Presidio to Marin Civic =
Center.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I =
made the mistake of trying to get it to the next exit (it was a bad =
place to be on the shoulder, between the sound wall and 5 lanes of =
traffic doing 75+), which resulted in overheating and a blown head =
gasket. Total mileage to failure on this fan was 307 miles.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Subsequent examination =
of the stub revealed an air pocket in the plastic right at the center of =
the base of the blade. Moss accepted my photo of this as evidence of a =
manufacturing flaw. This model of fan was already out of production (and =
out of warranty) =E2=80=94 I had purchased it as part of a large order =
back in 2015 when the car body was still in the paint shop.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">But regardless, they =
decided to send me a new fan ("new model" nylon 7-blade fan) and a new =
aluminum radiator (the shop had told me mine was irreparable). I thought =
this was pretty decent of them.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I just picked up my head at the machine =
shop where they had skimmed the surface and cleaned up the valves. In =
the meantime I had inspected the lifters based on a tip from Dave at =
British Motorsports in Campbell and found a few of them were showing =
pitting. By replacing them now I can save the cam.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Now I just need to pick =
up the lifters and the gasket set and I should be able to have it back =
together this weekend.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">A few tips based on my experience:</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">1. Just shut it down. If I had stayed =
out on the freeway verge I would have saved the head gasket, and AAA =
would have picked me up in a timely manner. But since I had reported =
myself =E2=80=9Csafe=E2=80=9D and off the highway, it took 4 hours to =
get a tow.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">2. Check your lifters every so often. I had replaced the cam =
and lifters due to lifter spalling sometime between 1998 and 2010. The =
new lifters were just starting to pit in 2018.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div>3. If you have a yellow plastic 7-bladed fan from Moss =
USA purchased prior to mid-2015, you may want to consider retiring it. I =
suppose if it hasn=E2=80=99t broken so far, it probably doesn=E2=80=99t =
have air bubbles in a critical location. But they had perhaps a dozen =
reported incidents. The current product being sold as part #434-332 is a =
different pattern by a different maker in a different material, so =
should not be a cause for worry.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Buy British, Buy Best!</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div=
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class=3D"">--</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; =
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font-size: 13px;" class=3D"">'66 =
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From: Max Heim via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2018 16:44:27 -0700

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Here=E2=80=99s what Joey at MoMa Instrument Repair had to suggest:

   "It means that the movement itself is deformed that is why it=E2=80=99s=
 way out of calibration. Some of those we can repair by reshaping the =
movement carefully or just replace the movement. It=E2=80=99s not an =
easy fix at all. You can send it and it will all depend on the extent of =
the damage if we can repair or replace movement. Thanks Joey"

=E2=80=A6which sounds kind of like what I was suggesting. Damn. The =
problem is, the car is undriveable with the gauge removed =E2=80=94 it =
leaves an open passage to both coolant and oil. I=E2=80=99ve only had =
the car running for two weeks all year=E2=80=A6 kind of running out of =
nice weather=E2=80=A6 Grr.

I think I may try to buy a good one to swap in while having this one =
repaired, then sell one later.

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Max Heim
'66 MGB

> On Oct 7, 2018, at 4:38 PM, Max Heim <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> I unscrewed it from the head, and gently pulled the tube out of the =
way. Then I replaced it after replacing the head.
>=20
> Unfortunately, it never occurred to me to see what the gauge was =
reading while the head was off and the capsule was resting on the inner =
fender.
>=20
> I=E2=80=99m not sure what the test would demonstrate. I already know =
it responds to temperature changes, so the capillary tube is not broken. =
The problem seems to be at the gauge end. I just can=E2=80=99t figure =
out what that would be.
>=20
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> Max Heim
>=20
>=20
>=20
>> On Oct 7, 2018, at 3:49 PM, B H <[email-masked] =
>>=20
>>   If it does, the gauge is moved by pressure of expanding ether in =
the little capsule that is screwed into the engine. If it reads 220 from =
the beginning, my guess is that the capsule got squeezed or the tube =
damaged during the R&R.
malfunctioning.

>>>>=20
>>>> But regardless, they decided to send me a new fan ("new model" =
nylon 7-blade fan) and a new aluminum radiator (the shop had told me =
mine was irreparable). I thought this was pretty decent of them.
>>>>=20
>>>> 3. If you have a yellow plastic 7-bladed fan from Moss USA =
purchased prior to mid-2015, you may want to consider retiring it. I =

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Here=E2=80=99s what Joey at MoMa Instrument Repair had to =
suggest:<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp;"It means that the movement itself is deformed that is why it=E2=80=99=
s way out of calibration. Some of those we can repair by reshaping the =
movement carefully or just replace the movement. It=E2=80=99s not an =
easy fix at all. You can send it and it will all depend on the extent of =
the damage if we can repair or replace movement. Thanks Joey"</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">=E2=80=A6which sounds =
kind of like what I was suggesting. Damn. The problem is, the car is =
undriveable with the gauge removed =E2=80=94 it leaves an open passage =
to both coolant and oil. I=E2=80=99ve only had the car running for two =
weeks all year=E2=80=A6 kind of running out of nice weather=E2=80=A6 =
Grr.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I think I =
may try to buy a good one to swap in while having this one repaired, =
then sell one later.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; text-align: =
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
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class=3D"">--</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; =
min-height: 16px;" class=3D"">Max Heim</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; =
font-size: 13px;" class=3D"">'66 MGB</div></div></div>
</div>

<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Oct 7, 2018, at 4:38 PM, Max Heim &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html charset=3Dutf-8" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: =
space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">How could the =
capsule get damaged?<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I=
 unscrewed it from the head, and gently pulled the tube out of the way. =
Then I replaced it after replacing the head.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Unfortunately, it never occurred to me =
to see what the gauge was reading while the head was off and the capsule =
was resting on the inner fender.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I=E2=80=99m not sure what the test =
would demonstrate. I already know it responds to temperature changes, so =
the capillary tube is not broken. The problem seems to be at the gauge =
end. I just can=E2=80=99t figure out what that would be.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I know there is a =
flattened tube rolled into a coil inside the gauge. Could it have =
unrolled beyond its intended limit during the overheating episode, and =
is now hung up on some protuberance inside the housing, preventing it =
from recoiling?</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">
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From: Barney Gaylord via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2018 20:10:16 -0400

Remove the gauge from the dash.  Unscrew the font 
chome ring to remove the face glass.  Place the 
sensor bulb in boiling water.  Pull off the 
needle, reposition it to point at 212dF, and 
press it back on.  You can then use a thermometer 
with variable water temperatures to check if the 
gauge reads correctly at diffeent temperatures.

When it works properly it can read higher 
temperatures up into the oil pressure range.  The 
temperature needle should run out of mechanical 
travel around 82-psi (if you can warm it up to 
about 250dF).  If it stops before it gets that 
far, then the bourdon tube may have been stetched 
beyond its electic limit by overheating, in which all bets are off on accuracy.

Barney Gaylord
1958 MGA with an attitude
http://MGAguru.com

At 05:04 PM 10/7/2018, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:
>I just got the engine back together, but now the 
>temperature gauge is malfunctioning.
>
>It seems to have got stuck at about 220. 
>That’s what it was reading before I even tried 
>to start the car. After warming up to operating 
>temp (estimated, of course), the gauge had 
>climbed into the oil pressure zone, reading at 
>85 psi. At this point my cheap temp gun had the 
>thermostat housing at around 180.
>
>....

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check to see if the gauge needs cleaning. Gently remove the pointers and
remove the gauge face. most likely the gears are gummy
Ira Erbs
Portland,OR
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1967 MGB  

A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti
Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words

On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 5:13 PM Max Heim via Mgs <[email-masked]> wrote:

> I unscrewed it from the head, and gently pulled the tube out of the way.
> Unfortunately, it never occurred to me to see what the gauge was reading
> I=E2=80=99m not sure what the test would demonstrate. I already know it r=
esponds
> to temperature changes, so the capillary tube is not broken. The problem
> seems to be at the gauge end. I just can=E2=80=99t figure out what that w=
ould be.
>
> I know there is a flattened tube rolled into a coil inside the gauge.
> Could it have unrolled beyond its intended limit during the overheating
> episode, and is now hung up on some protuberance inside the housing,
>   Yours has the non-electric temp sender and gauge?
>   If it does, the gauge is moved by pressure of expanding ether in the
> little capsule that is screwed into the engine. If it reads 220 from the
> beginning, my guess is that the capsule got squeezed or the tube damaged
> during the R&R.
>   Test by removing capsule from engine, and putting it into a pan of hot
> water. Check the temp with your hand-held thermometer.
> Bob
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 6:30 PM Max Heim via Mgs <[email-masked]>
> wrote:
>
>> I just got the engine back together, but now the temperature gauge is
>> malfunctioning.
>>
>> It seems to have got stuck at about 220. That=E2=80=99s what it was read=
ing
>> before I even tried to start the car. After warming up to operating temp
>> (estimated, of course), the gauge had climbed into the oil pressure zone=
,
>> reading at 85 psi. At this point my cheap temp gun had the thermostat
>> housing at around 180.
>>
>> On Sep 26, 2018, at 9:11 AM, Max Heim via Mgs <[email-masked]> wrote=
:
>>
>> Actually, when we finally got to my house, we swapped the luggage into m=
y
>> 1967 Barracuda convertible and headed up the freeway to catch up with th=
e
>> Melee. Reached the first night=E2=80=99s stop in Red Bluff by 7pm.
>>
>> The plastic blade didn=E2=80=99t directly =E2=80=9Cpuncture=E2=80=9D the=
 radiator, actually. But
>> it was trapped inside the shroud, and wound up smashing several tubes ri=
ght
>> where they enter the top and bottom tanks (the blade being caught on the
>> lip of the tank at each revolution, I think). I didn't even know that it
>> had thrown a blade until I started disassembly =E2=80=94 I was assuming =
the 50+
>> year old radiator had just suddenly developed a stress crack after being
>> transferred from one body to another.
>>
>> With 5 or 6 tubes mangled top and bottom, it lost coolant instantly, and
>> the radiator shop said it was irreparable other than by completely recor=
ing
>> it.
>>
>> --
>> Max Heim
>> '66 MGB
>>
>> On Sep 26, 2018, at 3:56 AM, Dan DiBiase <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>
>> A bummer that you couldn't participate in the melee, Max, I bet you were
>> disappointed. Good recovery by Moss, though.
>>
>> Just tells you how fast these things spin, for a plastic blade to
>> puncture a metal radiator!
>>
>> Dan D
>> '76B, '65B
>> Central NJ USA
>> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 11:36 PM Max Heim via Mgs <[email-masked]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I haven=E2=80=99t said much on the list about my project. but I got my =
=E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=9D 66
>>> B roadster together in time for the start of the California Melee on Se=
pt.
>>> 8. Unfortunately, a blade flew off the new Moss plastic fan within the
>>> first ten miles and punctured the radiator, so that was as far as it go=
t =E2=80=94
>>> from the San Francisco Presidio to Marin Civic Center.
>>>
>>> I made the mistake of trying to get it to the next exit (it was a bad
>>> place to be on the shoulder, between the sound wall and 5 lanes of traf=
fic
>>> doing 75+), which resulted in overheating and a blown head gasket. Tota=
l
>>> mileage to failure on this fan was 307 miles.
>>>
>>> Subsequent examination of the stub revealed an air pocket in the plasti=
c
>>> right at the center of the base of the blade. Moss accepted my photo of
>>> this as evidence of a manufacturing flaw. This model of fan was already=
 out
>>> of production (and out of warranty) =E2=80=94 I had purchased it as par=
t of a large
>>> order back in 2015 when the car body was still in the paint shop.
>>>
>>> But regardless, they decided to send me a new fan ("new model" nylon
>>> 7-blade fan) and a new aluminum radiator (the shop had told me mine was
>>> I just picked up my head at the machine shop where they had skimmed the
>>> surface and cleaned up the valves. In the meantime I had inspected the
>>> lifters based on a tip from Dave at British Motorsports in Campbell and
>>> found a few of them were showing pitting. By replacing them now I can s=
ave
>>> the cam.
>>>
>>> Now I just need to pick up the lifters and the gasket set and I should
>>> be able to have it back together this weekend.
>>>
>>> 1. Just shut it down. If I had stayed out on the freeway verge I would
>>> have saved the head gasket, and AAA would have picked me up in a timely
>>> manner. But since I had reported myself =E2=80=9Csafe=E2=80=9D and off =
the highway, it took
>>> 4 hours to get a tow.
>>>
>>> 2. Check your lifters every so often. I had replaced the cam and lifter=
s
>>> due to lifter spalling sometime between 1998 and 2010. The new lifters =
were
>>> just starting to pit in 2018.
>>>
>>> 3. If you have a yellow plastic 7-bladed fan from Moss USA purchased
>>> prior to mid-2015, you may want to consider retiring it. I suppose if i=
t
>>> hasn=E2=80=99t broken so far, it probably doesn=E2=80=99t have air bubb=
les in a critical
>>> location. But they had perhaps a dozen reported incidents. The current
>>> product being sold as part #434-332 is a different pattern by a differe=
nt
>>> maker in a different material, so should not be a cause for worry.
>>>
>>> Buy British, Buy Best!
>>>
>>> --
>>> Max Heim
>>> '66 MGB
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ca Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">A racing car is an=
 animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti</span><br></div><div>Pl=
ease excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words</div></div></div></di=
v></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><=
/div><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Sun, Oct =
7, 2018 at 5:13 PM Max Heim via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
t">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex=
"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">How could the capsule get damaged?<di=
v><br></div><div>I unscrewed it from the head, and gently pulled the tube o=
ut of the way. Then I replaced it after replacing the head.</div><div><br><=
/div><div>Unfortunately, it never occurred to me to see what the gauge was =
reading while the head was off and the capsule was resting on the inner fen=
der.</div><div><br></div><div>I=E2=80=99m not sure what the test would demo=
nstrate. I already know it responds to temperature changes, so the capillar=
y tube is not broken. The problem seems to be at the gauge end. I just can=
=E2=80=99t figure out what that would be.</div><div><br></div><div>I know t=
here is a flattened tube rolled into a coil inside the gauge. Could it have=
 unrolled beyond its intended limit during the overheating episode, and is =
now hung up on some protuberance inside the housing, preventing it from rec=
oiling?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div>
<div>--</div><div>Max Heim</div><div><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a></div><div><br></div><br class=3D"m_745=
7887340095961651Apple-interchange-newline">

</div>

<br><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Oct 7, 2018, at 3:49 PM, B H &lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D"m_7457887340095961651Apple-interchange-newlin=
e"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:Verdana;font-size:12px;font-s=
tyle:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:norm=
al;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;=
word-spacing:0px"><div>=C2=A0 Yours has the non-electric temp sender and ga=
uge?<span class=3D"m_7457887340095961651Apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span=
><br></div><div>=C2=A0 If it does, the gauge is moved by pressure of expand=
ing ether in the little capsule that is screwed into the engine. If it read=
s 220 from the beginning, my guess is that the capsule got squeezed or the =
tube damaged during the R&amp;R.</div><div>=C2=A0 Test by removing capsule =
from engine, and putting it into a pan of hot water. Check the temp with yo=
ur hand-held thermometer.</div><div>Bob</div><div><br></div></div><br style=
=3D"font-family:Verdana;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:=
normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-inden=
t:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"font-family:Verdana;font-size:12px;font-style:nor=
mal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-=
align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spa=
cing:0px"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 6:30 PM Max Heim via Mgs =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked].=
net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-l=
eft-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-=
word">I just got the engine back together, but now the temperature gauge is=
 malfunctioning.<div><br></div><div>It seems to have got stuck at about 220=
. That=E2=80=99s what it was reading before I even tried to start the car. =
After warming up to operating temp (estimated, of course), the gauge had cl=
imbed into the oil pressure zone, reading at 85 psi. At this point my cheap=
 temp gun had the thermostat housing at around 180.</div><div><br></div><di=
v>Anyone seen this before? Any suggestions?</div><div><br></div><div><br></=
div><div><div><div style=3D"letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-ind=
ent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:b=
reak-word"><div style=3D"letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent=
:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:brea=
k-word"><div style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px">--</div><div style=3D"marg=
in:0px;font-size:13px;min-height:16px">Max Heim</div><div style=3D"margin:0=
px;font-size:13px">&#39;66 MGB</div></div></div></div><br><div><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div>On Sep 26, 2018, at 9:11 AM, Max Heim via Mgs &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt=
; wrote:</div><br class=3D"m_7457887340095961651m_-7840722686676637303Apple=
-interchange-newline"><div><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">Actually, wh=
en we finally got to my house, we swapped the luggage into my 1967 Barracud=
a convertible and headed up the freeway to catch up with the Melee. Reached=
 the first night=E2=80=99s stop in Red Bluff by 7pm.<div><br></div><div>Not=
 the first participants to have to pull in a backup vehicle=E2=80=A6</div><=
div><br></div><div>The plastic blade didn=E2=80=99t directly =E2=80=9Cpunct=
ure=E2=80=9D the radiator, actually. But it was trapped inside the shroud, =
and wound up smashing several tubes right where they enter the top and bott=
om tanks (the blade being caught on the lip of the tank at each revolution,=
 I think). I didn&#39;t even know that it had thrown a blade until I starte=
d disassembly =E2=80=94 I was assuming the 50+ year old radiator had just s=
uddenly developed a stress crack after being transferred from one body to a=
nother.</div><div><br></div><div>With 5 or 6 tubes mangled top and bottom, =
it lost coolant instantly, and the radiator shop said it was irreparable ot=
her than by completely recoring it.</div><div><br><div><div style=3D"letter=
-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-=
space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word"><div style=3D"letter-sp=
acing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-spa=
ce:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word"><div style=3D"margin:0px;f=
ont-size:13px">--</div><div style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px;min-height:1=
6px">Max Heim</div><div style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px">&#39;66 MGB</di=
v></div></div></div><br><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Sep 26, 2018=
, at 3:56 AM, Dan DiBiase &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targ=
et=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D"m_7457=
887340095961651m_-7840722686676637303Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">A bummer that you couldn&#39;t participate in the melee, Max, I =
bet you were disappointed. Good recovery by Moss, though.=C2=A0<div><br></d=
iv><div>Just tells you how fast these things spin, for a plastic blade to p=
uncture a metal radiator!=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>Dan D</div><div>&#39;76B=
, &#39;65B</div><div>Central NJ USA<br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"m_7457887340095961651m_-7840722686676637303gmail_signature" data-s=
martmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><a href=3D"http://dandibiase.=
cbintouch.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a></div=
></div></div><br></div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr">On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 11:36 PM Max Heim via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrot=
e:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0=
.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(20=
4,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div>I hav=
en=E2=80=99t said much on the list about my project. but I got my =E2=80=9C=
new=E2=80=9D 66 B roadster together in time for the start of the California=
 Melee on Sept. 8. Unfortunately, a blade flew off the new Moss plastic fan=
 within the first ten miles and punctured the radiator, so that was as far =
as it got =E2=80=94 from the San Francisco Presidio to Marin Civic Center.=
=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>I made the mistake of trying to get it to t=
he next exit (it was a bad place to be on the shoulder, between the sound w=
all and 5 lanes of traffic doing 75+), which resulted in overheating and a =
blown head gasket. Total mileage to failure on this fan was 307 miles.</div=
><div><br></div><div>Subsequent examination of the stub revealed an air poc=
ket in the plastic right at the center of the base of the blade. Moss accep=
ted my photo of this as evidence of a manufacturing flaw. This model of fan=
 was already out of production (and out of warranty) =E2=80=94 I had purcha=
sed it as part of a large order back in 2015 when the car body was still in=
 the paint shop.</div><div><br></div><div>But regardless, they decided to s=
end me a new fan (&quot;new model&quot; nylon 7-blade fan) and a new alumin=
um radiator (the shop had told me mine was irreparable). I thought this was=
 pretty decent of them.</div><div><br></div><div>I just picked up my head a=
t the machine shop where they had skimmed the surface and cleaned up the va=
lves. In the meantime I had inspected the lifters based on a tip from Dave =
at British Motorsports in Campbell and found a few of them were showing pit=
ting. By replacing them now I can save the cam.</div><div><br></div><div>No=
w I just need to pick up the lifters and the gasket set and I should be abl=
e to have it back together this weekend.</div><div><br></div><div>A few tip=
s based on my experience:</div><div><br></div><div>1. Just shut it down. If=
 I had stayed out on the freeway verge I would have saved the head gasket, =
and AAA would have picked me up in a timely manner. But since I had reporte=
d myself =E2=80=9Csafe=E2=80=9D and off the highway, it took 4 hours to get=
 a tow.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>2. Check your lifters every so often=
. I had replaced the cam and lifters due to lifter spalling sometime betwee=
n 1998 and 2010. The new lifters were just starting to pit in 2018.</div><d=
iv><br></div>3. If you have a yellow plastic 7-bladed fan from Moss USA pur=
chased prior to mid-2015, you may want to consider retiring it. I suppose i=
f it hasn=E2=80=99t broken so far, it probably doesn=E2=80=99t have air bub=
bles in a critical location. But they had perhaps a dozen reported incident=
s. The current product being sold as part #434-332 is a different pattern b=
y a different maker in a different material, so should not be a cause for w=
orry.<div><br></div><div>Buy British, Buy Best!</div><div><br><div><div sty=
le=3D"letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform=
:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word"><div style=
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one;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word"><div style=3D=
"margin:0px;font-size:13px">--</div><div style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px=
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That=E2=80=99s a possibility, I suppose, but it was professionally =
rebuilt only a few years ago. And that was just because I broke the =
capillary tube =E2=80=94 it was working fine.

What I just did, based on some other responses, was pop off the bezel =
and glass, pull the needle, and reset it to rest position.

It=E2=80=99s getting dark, and it's parked behind my other car, so I =
will wait until tomorrow to test it.

Thanks for all the suggestions.

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'66 MGB

> On Oct 7, 2018, at 6:06 PM, i erbs <[email-masked] =
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> check to see if the gauge needs cleaning. Gently remove the pointers =
and remove the gauge face. most likely the gears are gummy =20
> 1967 MGB =20
> On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 5:13 PM Max Heim via Mgs <[email-masked] =
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D""><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html =
charset=3Dutf-8" class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">That=E2=80=99s a possibility, I suppose, but it was =
professionally rebuilt only a few years ago. And that was just because I =
broke the capillary tube =E2=80=94 it was working fine.<div class=3D""><br=
 class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">What I just did, based on some other =
responses, was pop off the bezel and glass, pull the needle, and reset =
it to rest position.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">It=E2=80=99s getting dark, and it's parked behind my other =
car, so I will wait until tomorrow to test it.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Thanks for all the =
suggestions.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; text-align: =
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: =
break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
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letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px;" =
class=3D"">--</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; =
min-height: 16px;" class=3D"">Max Heim</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; =
font-size: 13px;" class=3D"">'66 MGB</div></div></div>
</div>

<br class=3D""><div class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Oct 7, 2018, at 6:06 PM, i erbs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
class=3D"">check to see if the gauge needs cleaning. Gently remove the =
pointers and remove the gauge face. most likely the gears are =
gummy&nbsp;&nbsp;<br clear=3D"all" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" =
data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"">Ira Erbs<div class=3D"">Portland,OR</div><div class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; _______ &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;_______</span><br style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; (______ \____1959 BN4____/ =
_______)</span><br style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; =
(_________________________)</span></div><div class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; BT7 engine and disk brakes</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">1967=
 MGB &nbsp;<img =
src=3D"http://www.britishcarspecialists.com/assets/images/MG_emblem.jpg" =
alt=3D"MG" class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: =
'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;" =
class=3D"">A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario =
Andretti</span><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Please excuse random =
auto corrects and misspelled =
words</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></d=
iv></div></div></div></div></div><br class=3D""></div><br =
style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"font-family: Verdana; =
font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"">On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 5:13 PM Max Heim via Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; =
border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); =
padding-left: 1ex;"><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word;" class=3D"">How =
could the capsule get damaged?<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">I unscrewed it from the head, and gently pulled the tube out =
of the way. Then I replaced it after replacing the head.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Unfortunately, it never =
occurred to me to see what the gauge was reading while the head was off =
and the capsule was resting on the inner fender.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I=E2=80=99m not sure what the test =
would demonstrate. I already know it responds to temperature changes, so =
the capillary tube is not broken. The problem seems to be at the gauge =
end. I just can=E2=80=99t figure out what that would be.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I know there is a =
flattened tube rolled into a coil inside the gauge. Could it have =
unrolled beyond its intended limit during the overheating episode, and =
is now hung up on some protuberance inside the housing, preventing it =
from recoiling?</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">--</div><div class=3D"">Max Heim</div><div class=3D""><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a></div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><br =
class=3D"m_7457887340095961651Apple-interchange-newline"></div><br =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Oct 7, 2018, at 3:49 PM, B H &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"m_7457887340095961651Apple-interchange-newline"><div =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Yours has the non-electric =
temp sender and gauge?<span =
class=3D"m_7457887340095961651Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>If it does, the gauge is =
moved by pressure of expanding ether in the little capsule that is =
screwed into the engine. If it reads 220 from the beginning, my guess is =
that the capsule got squeezed or the tube damaged during the =
R&amp;R.</div><div class=3D"">&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Test by removing capsule =
from engine, and putting it into a pan of hot water. Check the temp with =
your hand-held thermometer.</div><div class=3D"">Bob</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div></div><br style=3D"font-family: Verdana; =
font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px;" class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px;"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">On Sun, Oct 7, =
2018 at 6:30 PM Max Heim via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
 target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; =
border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div =
style=3D"word-wrap: break-word;" class=3D"">I just got the engine back =
together, but now the temperature gauge is malfunctioning.<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">It seems to have got =
stuck at about 220. That=E2=80=99s what it was reading before I even =
tried to start the car. After warming up to operating temp (estimated, =
of course), the gauge had climbed into the oil pressure zone, reading at =
85 psi. At this point my cheap temp gun had the thermostat housing at =
around 180.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Anyone seen this before? Any suggestions?</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; word-wrap: break-word;" class=3D""><div =
style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; word-wrap: =
break-word;" class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px;" =
class=3D"">--</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; =
min-height: 16px;" class=3D"">Max Heim</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; =
font-size: 13px;" class=3D"">'66 MGB</div></div></div></div><br =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Sep 26, 2018, at 9:11 AM, Max Heim via Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"m_7457887340095961651m_-7840722686676637303Apple-interchange-newl=
ine"><div class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word;" =
class=3D"">Actually, when we finally got to my house, we swapped the =
luggage into my 1967 Barracuda convertible and headed up the freeway to =
catch up with the Melee. Reached the first night=E2=80=99s stop in Red =
Bluff by 7pm.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Not =
the first participants to have to pull in a backup vehicle=E2=80=A6</div><=
div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">The plastic blade =
didn=E2=80=99t directly =E2=80=9Cpuncture=E2=80=9D the radiator, =
actually. But it was trapped inside the shroud, and wound up smashing =
several tubes right where they enter the top and bottom tanks (the blade =
being caught on the lip of the tank at each revolution, I think). I =
didn't even know that it had thrown a blade until I started disassembly =
=E2=80=94 I was assuming the 50+ year old radiator had just suddenly =
developed a stress crack after being transferred from one body to =
another.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">With =
5 or 6 tubes mangled top and bottom, it lost coolant instantly, and the =
radiator shop said it was irreparable other than by completely recoring =
it.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; word-wrap: =
break-word;" class=3D""><div style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; word-wrap: break-word;" class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px;" class=3D"">--</div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; min-height: 16px;" class=3D"">Max =
Heim</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px;" class=3D"">'66 =
MGB</div></div></div></div><br class=3D""><div class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Sep 26, 2018, at 3:56 AM, =
Dan DiBiase &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank"=
 class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"m_7457887340095961651m_-7840722686676637303Apple-interchange-newl=
ine"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">A bummer that you =
couldn't participate in the melee, Max, I bet you were disappointed. =
Good recovery by Moss, though.&nbsp;<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Just tells you how fast these things =
spin, for a plastic blade to puncture a metal radiator!&nbsp;<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Dan D</div><div =
class=3D"">'76B, '65B</div><div class=3D"">Central NJ USA<br clear=3D"all"=
 class=3D""><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"m_7457887340095961651m_-7840722686676637303gmail_signature" =
data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><a =
href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a></div></div></div><br =
class=3D""></div></div></div><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 =
at 11:36 PM Max Heim via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; =
border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div =
style=3D"word-wrap: break-word;" class=3D""><div class=3D"">I haven=E2=80=99=
t said much on the list about my project. but I got my =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=9D=
 66 B roadster together in time for the start of the California Melee on =
Sept. 8. Unfortunately, a blade flew off the new Moss plastic fan within =
the first ten miles and punctured the radiator, so that was as far as it =
got =E2=80=94 from the San Francisco Presidio to Marin Civic =
Center.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I =
made the mistake of trying to get it to the next exit (it was a bad =
place to be on the shoulder, between the sound wall and 5 lanes of =
traffic doing 75+), which resulted in overheating and a blown head =
gasket. Total mileage to failure on this fan was 307 miles.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Subsequent examination =
of the stub revealed an air pocket in the plastic right at the center of =
the base of the blade. Moss accepted my photo of this as evidence of a =
manufacturing flaw. This model of fan was already out of production (and =
out of warranty) =E2=80=94 I had purchased it as part of a large order =
back in 2015 when the car body was still in the paint shop.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">But regardless, they =
decided to send me a new fan ("new model" nylon 7-blade fan) and a new =
aluminum radiator (the shop had told me mine was irreparable). I thought =
this was pretty decent of them.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I just picked up my head at the machine =
shop where they had skimmed the surface and cleaned up the valves. In =
the meantime I had inspected the lifters based on a tip from Dave at =
British Motorsports in Campbell and found a few of them were showing =
pitting. By replacing them now I can save the cam.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Now I just need to pick =
up the lifters and the gasket set and I should be able to have it back =
together this weekend.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">A few tips based on my experience:</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">1. Just shut it down. If I had stayed =
out on the freeway verge I would have saved the head gasket, and AAA =
would have picked me up in a timely manner. But since I had reported =
myself =E2=80=9Csafe=E2=80=9D and off the highway, it took 4 hours to =
get a tow.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">2. Check your lifters every so often. I had replaced the cam =
and lifters due to lifter spalling sometime between 1998 and 2010. The =
new lifters were just starting to pit in 2018.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div>3. If you have a yellow plastic 7-bladed fan from Moss =
USA purchased prior to mid-2015, you may want to consider retiring it. I =
suppose if it hasn=E2=80=99t broken so far, it probably doesn=E2=80=99t =
have air bubbles in a critical location. But they had perhaps a dozen =
reported incidents. The current product being sold as part #434-332 is a =
different pattern by a different maker in a different material, so =
should not be a cause for worry.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Buy British, Buy Best!</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div=
 class=3D""><div style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; word-wrap: break-word;" class=3D""><div =
style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; word-wrap: =
break-word;" class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px;" =
class=3D"">--</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; =
min-height: 16px;" class=3D"">Max Heim</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; =
font-size: 13px;" class=3D"">'66 =
MGB</div></div></div></div></div></div>___________________________________=
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From: Dan DiBiase via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 06:59:24 -0400

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Youse said -  I=E2=80=99ve only had the car running for two weeks all year=
=E2=80=A6 kind of
running out of nice weather=E2=80=A6

Wait, don't you live in California where it is nice all year round?! (Other
than fires)  ;-)

Dan D
'76B, '65B
Central NJ USA

On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 8:24 PM Max Heim via Mgs <[email-masked]> wrote:

>    "It means that the movement itself is deformed that is why it=E2=80=99=
s way out
> of calibration. Some of those we can repair by reshaping the movement
> carefully or just replace the movement. It=E2=80=99s not an easy fix at a=
ll. You
> can send it and it will all depend on the extent of the damage if we can
> repair or replace movement. Thanks Joey"
>
> =E2=80=A6which sounds kind of like what I was suggesting. Damn. The probl=
em is,
> the car is undriveable with the gauge removed =E2=80=94 it leaves an open=
 passage
> to both coolant and oil. I=E2=80=99ve only had the car running for two we=
eks all
> year=E2=80=A6 kind of running out of nice weather=E2=80=A6 Grr.
>
> I think I may try to buy a good one to swap in while having this one
esponds
ould be.
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>>> maker in a different material, so should not be a cause for worry.

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Youse said -=C2=A0

I=E2=80=99ve only had the car running for two weeks all year=E2=80=A6 kind =
of running out of nice weather=E2=80=A6=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>Wait, don&=
#39;t you live in California where it is nice all year round?! (Other than =
fires)=C2=A0 ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>Dan D</div><div>&#39;76B, &#39;65=
B</div><div>Central NJ USA=C2=A0<br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" cla=
ss=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr">=
<a href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://dandi=
biase.cbintouch.com/</a></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 8:24 PM Max Heim via =
Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wr=
ote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;=
border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-=
word">Here=E2=80=99s what Joey at MoMa Instrument Repair had to suggest:<di=
v><br></div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0&quot;It means that the movement itself is de=
formed that is why it=E2=80=99s way out of calibration. Some of those we ca=
n repair by reshaping the movement carefully or just replace the movement. =
It=E2=80=99s not an easy fix at all. You can send it and it will all depend=
 on the extent of the damage if we can repair or replace movement. Thanks J=
oey&quot;</div><div><br></div><div>=E2=80=A6which sounds kind of like what =
I was suggesting. Damn. The problem is, the car is undriveable with the gau=
ge removed =E2=80=94 it leaves an open passage to both coolant and oil. I=
=E2=80=99ve only had the car running for two weeks all year=E2=80=A6 kind o=
f running out of nice weather=E2=80=A6 Grr.</div><div><br></div><div>I thin=
k I may try to buy a good one to swap in while having this one repaired, th=
en sell one later.</div><div><br><div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-=
indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wra=
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gn:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacin=
g:0px;word-wrap:break-word"><div style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px">--</di=
v><div style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px;min-height:16px">Max Heim</div><d=
iv style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px">&#39;66 MGB</div></div></div>
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<br><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Oct 7, 2018, at 4:38 PM, Max Hei=
m &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
t</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D"m_-1158636474461823897Apple-interchange-=
newline"><div><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">How could the capsule get=
 damaged?<div><br></div><div>I unscrewed it from the head, and gently pulle=
d the tube out of the way. Then I replaced it after replacing the head.</di=
v><div><br></div><div>Unfortunately, it never occurred to me to see what th=
e gauge was reading while the head was off and the capsule was resting on t=
he inner fender.</div><div><br></div><div>I=E2=80=99m not sure what the tes=
t would demonstrate. I already know it responds to temperature changes, so =
the capillary tube is not broken. The problem seems to be at the gauge end.=
 I just can=E2=80=99t figure out what that would be.</div><div><br></div><d=
iv>I know there is a flattened tube rolled into a coil inside the gauge. Co=
uld it have unrolled beyond its intended limit during the overheating episo=
de, and is now hung up on some protuberance inside the housing, preventing =
it from recoiling?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div>
<div>--</div><div>Max Heim</div><div><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a></div><div><br></div><br class=3D"m_-11=
58636474461823897Apple-interchange-newline">

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<br><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Oct 7, 2018, at 3:49 PM, B H &lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D"m_-1158636474461823897Apple-interchange-newli=
ne"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:Verdana;font-size:12px;font-=
style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:nor=
mal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal=
;word-spacing:0px"><div>=C2=A0 Yours has the non-electric temp sender and g=
auge?<span class=3D"m_-1158636474461823897Apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</sp=
an><br></div><div>=C2=A0 If it does, the gauge is moved by pressure of expa=
nding ether in the little capsule that is screwed into the engine. If it re=
ads 220 from the beginning, my guess is that the capsule got squeezed or th=
e tube damaged during the R&amp;R.</div><div>=C2=A0 Test by removing capsul=
e from engine, and putting it into a pan of hot water. Check the temp with =
your hand-held thermometer.</div><div>Bob</div><div><br></div></div><br sty=
le=3D"font-family:Verdana;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-cap=
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ent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"font-family:Verdana;font-size:12px;font-style:nor=
mal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-=
align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spa=
cing:0px"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 6:30 PM Max Heim via Mgs =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked].=
net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-l=
eft-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-=
word">I just got the engine back together, but now the temperature gauge is=
 malfunctioning.<div><br></div><div>It seems to have got stuck at about 220=
. That=E2=80=99s what it was reading before I even tried to start the car. =
After warming up to operating temp (estimated, of course), the gauge had cl=
imbed into the oil pressure zone, reading at 85 psi. At this point my cheap=
 temp gun had the thermostat housing at around 180.</div><div><br></div><di=
v>Anyone seen this before? Any suggestions?</div><div><br></div><div><br></=
div><div><div><div style=3D"letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-ind=
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px;font-size:13px">&#39;66 MGB</div></div></div></div><br><div><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div>On Sep 26, 2018, at 9:11 AM, Max Heim via Mgs &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt=
; wrote:</div><br class=3D"m_-1158636474461823897m_-7840722686676637303Appl=
e-interchange-newline"><div><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">Actually, w=
hen we finally got to my house, we swapped the luggage into my 1967 Barracu=
da convertible and headed up the freeway to catch up with the Melee. Reache=
d the first night=E2=80=99s stop in Red Bluff by 7pm.<div><br></div><div>No=
t the first participants to have to pull in a backup vehicle=E2=80=A6</div>=
<div><br></div><div>The plastic blade didn=E2=80=99t directly =E2=80=9Cpunc=
ture=E2=80=9D the radiator, actually. But it was trapped inside the shroud,=
 and wound up smashing several tubes right where they enter the top and bot=
tom tanks (the blade being caught on the lip of the tank at each revolution=
, I think). I didn&#39;t even know that it had thrown a blade until I start=
ed disassembly =E2=80=94 I was assuming the 50+ year old radiator had just =
suddenly developed a stress crack after being transferred from one body to =
another.</div><div><br></div><div>With 5 or 6 tubes mangled top and bottom,=
 it lost coolant instantly, and the radiator shop said it was irreparable o=
ther than by completely recoring it.</div><div><br><div><div style=3D"lette=
r-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white=
-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word"><div style=3D"letter-s=
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iv></div></div></div><br><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Sep 26, 201=
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get=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D"m_-11=
58636474461823897m_-7840722686676637303Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div=
 dir=3D"ltr">A bummer that you couldn&#39;t participate in the melee, Max, =
I bet you were disappointed. Good recovery by Moss, though.=C2=A0<div><br><=
/div><div>Just tells you how fast these things spin, for a plastic blade to=
 puncture a metal radiator!=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>Dan D</div><div>&#39;7=
6B, &#39;65B</div><div>Central NJ USA<br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr=
" class=3D"m_-1158636474461823897m_-7840722686676637303gmail_signature" dat=
a-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><a href=3D"http://dandibia=
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div></div></div><br></div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 11:36 PM Max Heim via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wr=
ote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px=
 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(=
204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div>I h=
aven=E2=80=99t said much on the list about my project. but I got my =E2=80=
=9Cnew=E2=80=9D 66 B roadster together in time for the start of the Califor=
nia Melee on Sept. 8. Unfortunately, a blade flew off the new Moss plastic =
fan within the first ten miles and punctured the radiator, so that was as f=
ar as it got =E2=80=94 from the San Francisco Presidio to Marin Civic Cente=
r.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>I made the mistake of trying to get it to=
 the next exit (it was a bad place to be on the shoulder, between the sound=
 wall and 5 lanes of traffic doing 75+), which resulted in overheating and =
a blown head gasket. Total mileage to failure on this fan was 307 miles.</d=
iv><div><br></div><div>Subsequent examination of the stub revealed an air p=
ocket in the plastic right at the center of the base of the blade. Moss acc=
epted my photo of this as evidence of a manufacturing flaw. This model of f=
an was already out of production (and out of warranty) =E2=80=94 I had purc=
hased it as part of a large order back in 2015 when the car body was still =
in the paint shop.</div><div><br></div><div>But regardless, they decided to=
 send me a new fan (&quot;new model&quot; nylon 7-blade fan) and a new alum=
inum radiator (the shop had told me mine was irreparable). I thought this w=
as pretty decent of them.</div><div><br></div><div>I just picked up my head=
 at the machine shop where they had skimmed the surface and cleaned up the =
valves. In the meantime I had inspected the lifters based on a tip from Dav=
e at British Motorsports in Campbell and found a few of them were showing p=
itting. By replacing them now I can save the cam.</div><div><br></div><div>=
Now I just need to pick up the lifters and the gasket set and I should be a=
ble to have it back together this weekend.</div><div><br></div><div>A few t=
ips based on my experience:</div><div><br></div><div>1. Just shut it down. =
If I had stayed out on the freeway verge I would have saved the head gasket=
, and AAA would have picked me up in a timely manner. But since I had repor=
ted myself =E2=80=9Csafe=E2=80=9D and off the highway, it took 4 hours to g=
et a tow.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>2. Check your lifters every so oft=
en. I had replaced the cam and lifters due to lifter spalling sometime betw=
een 1998 and 2010. The new lifters were just starting to pit in 2018.</div>=
<div><br></div>3. If you have a yellow plastic 7-bladed fan from Moss USA p=
urchased prior to mid-2015, you may want to consider retiring it. I suppose=
 if it hasn=E2=80=99t broken so far, it probably doesn=E2=80=99t have air b=
ubbles in a critical location. But they had perhaps a dozen reported incide=
nts. The current product being sold as part #434-332 is a different pattern=
 by a different maker in a different material, so should not be a cause for=
 worry.<div><br></div><div>Buy British, Buy Best!</div><div><br><div><div s=
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From: Max Heim via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 13:26:54 -0700

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I=E2=80=99m in NorCal. We have a rainy season (usually), lasting from =
November to April. I usually put the hardtop on at the first heavy rain, =
and leave it on through March, depending on the state of drought.

Anyway, I just took the car for a short spin to get it warmed up. When I =
judged it was at operating temperature, the needle had stalled at about =
150=C2=BA. The IR gun read the thermostat housing temp at 180=C2=BA =
(makes sense =E2=80=94 it's a 180=C2=BA thermostat) and the upper =
radiator temp at 177=C2=BA, so I pulled the glass off the gauge and =
reset the needle to 180. I=E2=80=99m guessing that the motor wasn=E2=80=99=
t fully cooled down yesterday afternoon when I set the needle at the =
rest point.

I=E2=80=99ll check it in a few hours and see what it has gone down to.

Someone suggested the needle had slipped. That seems to match most of =
the observed facts, but it=E2=80=99s hard to see how that might have =
occurred, given that the needle was attached firmly when I went to reset =
it. I am theorizing that when the temperature exceeded the intended =
travel, the coil slipped a gear tooth, which is why I have had to move =
the needle to correct the range of travel. Anyway, this approach seems =
very promising so far.

For now, I am leaving the gauge half out of the dash. so I can easily =
remove the bezel.

--
Max Heim
'66 MGB

> On Oct 8, 2018, at 3:59 AM, Dan DiBiase <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Youse said -  I=E2=80=99ve only had the car running for two weeks all =
year=E2=80=A6 kind of running out of nice weather=E2=80=A6=20
>=20
> Wait, don't you live in California where it is nice all year round?! =
(Other than fires)  ;-)
> Central NJ USA=20
> On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 8:24 PM Max Heim via Mgs <[email-masked] =
>=20
> --
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB
>=20
>> On Oct 7, 2018, at 4:38 PM, Max Heim <[email-masked] =
>>=20
>>> I just got the engine back together, but now the temperature gauge =
is malfunctioning.

>>>>=20
>>>> With 5 or 6 tubes mangled top and bottom, it lost coolant =
instantly, and the radiator shop said it was irreparable other than by =
completely recoring it.
>>>>> A bummer that you couldn't participate in the melee, Max, I bet =
you were disappointed. Good recovery by Moss, though.=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Dan D
>>>>> '76B, '65B
>>>>> Central NJ USA
>>>>> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ =
<http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/>
>>>>> I haven=E2=80=99t said much on the list about my project. but I =
got my =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=9D 66 B roadster together in time for the =
start of the California Melee on Sept. 8. Unfortunately, a blade flew =
off the new Moss plastic fan within the first ten miles and punctured =
the radiator, so that was as far as it got =E2=80=94 from the San =
Francisco Presidio to Marin Civic Center.=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> I just picked up my head at the machine shop where they had =
skimmed the surface and cleaned up the valves. In the meantime I had =
inspected the lifters based on a tip from Dave at British Motorsports in =
Campbell and found a few of them were showing pitting. By replacing them =
now I can save the cam.

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">I=E2=80=99m in NorCal. We have a rainy season (usually), =
lasting from November to April. I usually put the hardtop on at the =
first heavy rain, and leave it on through March, depending on the state =
of drought.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Anyway, =
I just took the car for a short spin to get it warmed up. When I judged =
it was at operating temperature, the needle had stalled at about 150=C2=BA=
. The IR gun read the thermostat housing temp at 180=C2=BA (makes sense =
=E2=80=94 it's a 180=C2=BA thermostat) and the upper radiator temp at =
177=C2=BA, so I pulled the glass off the gauge and reset the needle to =
180. I=E2=80=99m guessing that the motor wasn=E2=80=99t fully cooled =
down yesterday afternoon when I set the needle at the rest =
point.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I=E2=80=99=
ll check it in a few hours and see what it has gone down to.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Someone suggested the =
needle had slipped. That seems to match most of the observed facts, but =
it=E2=80=99s hard to see how that might have occurred, given that the =
needle was attached firmly when I went to reset it. I am theorizing that =
when the temperature exceeded the intended travel, the coil slipped a =
gear tooth, which is why I have had to move the needle to correct the =
range of travel. Anyway, this approach seems very promising so =
far.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">For now, =
I am leaving the gauge half out of the dash. so I can easily remove the =
bezel.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; text-align: =
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: =
break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space;" class=3D""><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px;" =
class=3D"">--</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; =
min-height: 16px;" class=3D"">Max Heim</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; =
font-size: 13px;" class=3D"">'66 MGB</div></div></div>
</div>

<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Oct 8, 2018, at 3:59 AM, Dan DiBiase &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"">Youse said -&nbsp;

I=E2=80=99ve only had the car running for two weeks all year=E2=80=A6 =
kind of running out of nice weather=E2=80=A6&nbsp;<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Wait, don't you live in California =
where it is nice all year round?! (Other than fires)&nbsp; ;-)</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Dan D</div><div =
class=3D"">'76B, '65B</div><div class=3D"">Central NJ USA&nbsp;<br =
clear=3D"all" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><a href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/" =
target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a></div></div></div><br =
class=3D""></div></div><br class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 8:24 PM Max Heim via Mgs =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div =
style=3D"word-wrap:break-word" class=3D"">Here=E2=80=99s what Joey at =
MoMa Instrument Repair had to suggest:<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp;"It means that the =
movement itself is deformed that is why it=E2=80=99s way out of =
calibration. Some of those we can repair by reshaping the movement =
carefully or just replace the movement. It=E2=80=99s not an easy fix at =
all. You can send it and it will all depend on the extent of the damage =
if we can repair or replace movement. Thanks Joey"</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">=E2=80=A6which sounds =
kind of like what I was suggesting. Damn. The problem is, the car is =
undriveable with the gauge removed =E2=80=94 it leaves an open passage =
to both coolant and oil. I=E2=80=99ve only had the car running for two =
weeks all year=E2=80=A6 kind of running out of nice weather=E2=80=A6 =
Grr.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I think I =
may try to buy a good one to swap in while having this one repaired, =
then sell one later.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">
<div style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: =
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
word-wrap: break-word;" class=3D""><div style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; word-wrap: break-word;" class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px" class=3D"">--</div><div =
style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px;min-height:16px" class=3D"">Max =
Heim</div><div style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px" class=3D"">'66 =
MGB</div></div></div>
</div>

class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"m_-1158636474461823897Apple-interchange-newline"><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word" class=3D"">How could the =
class=3D"m_-1158636474461823897Apple-interchange-newline">

</div>

<br class=3D""><div class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Oct 7, 2018, at 3:49 PM, B H &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"m_-1158636474461823897Apple-interchange-newline"><div =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
style=3D"font-family:Verdana;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant=
-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;tex=
t-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">&nbsp; Yours has the non-electric temp sender =
and gauge?<span =
class=3D"m_-1158636474461823897Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">&nbsp; If it does, the gauge is moved =
by pressure of expanding ether in the little capsule that is screwed =
into the engine. If it reads 220 from the beginning, my guess is that =
the capsule got squeezed or the tube damaged during the =
R&amp;R.</div><div class=3D"">&nbsp; Test by removing capsule from =
engine, and putting it into a pan of hot water. Check the temp with your =
hand-held thermometer.</div><div class=3D"">Bob</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div></div><br =
style=3D"font-family:Verdana;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant=
-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;tex=
t-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"font-family:Verdana;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant=
-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;tex=
t-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div=
 dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 6:30 PM Max Heim via Mgs =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px =
0px 0px =
0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(=
204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word" =
class=3D"">I just got the engine back together, but now the temperature =
gauge is malfunctioning.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">It seems to have got stuck at about 220. That=E2=80=99s what =
it was reading before I even tried to start the car. After warming up to =
operating temp (estimated, of course), the gauge had climbed into the =
oil pressure zone, reading at 85 psi. At this point my cheap temp gun =
had the thermostat housing at around 180.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Anyone seen this before? Any =
suggestions?</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br=
 class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-trans=
form:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word" =
class=3D""><div =
style=3D"letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-trans=
form:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px" =
class=3D"">--</div><div =
style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px;min-height:16px" class=3D"">Max =
Heim</div><div style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px" class=3D"">'66 =
MGB</div></div></div></div><br class=3D""><div class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Sep 26, 2018, at 9:11 AM, =
Max Heim via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"m_-1158636474461823897m_-7840722686676637303Apple-interchange-new=
line"><div class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word" =
class=3D"">Actually, when we finally got to my house, we swapped the =
luggage into my 1967 Barracuda convertible and headed up the freeway to =
catch up with the Melee. Reached the first night=E2=80=99s stop in Red =
Bluff by 7pm.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Not =
the first participants to have to pull in a backup vehicle=E2=80=A6</div><=
div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">The plastic blade =
didn=E2=80=99t directly =E2=80=9Cpuncture=E2=80=9D the radiator, =
actually. But it was trapped inside the shroud, and wound up smashing =
several tubes right where they enter the top and bottom tanks (the blade =
being caught on the lip of the tank at each revolution, I think). I =
didn't even know that it had thrown a blade until I started disassembly =
=E2=80=94 I was assuming the 50+ year old radiator had just suddenly =
developed a stress crack after being transferred from one body to =
another.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">With =
5 or 6 tubes mangled top and bottom, it lost coolant instantly, and the =
radiator shop said it was irreparable other than by completely recoring =
it.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-trans=
form:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word" =
class=3D""><div =
style=3D"letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-trans=
form:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px" =
class=3D"">--</div><div =
style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px;min-height:16px" class=3D"">Max =
Heim</div><div style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px" class=3D"">'66 =
MGB</div></div></div></div><br class=3D""><div class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Sep 26, 2018, at 3:56 AM, =
Dan DiBiase &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank"=
 class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"m_-1158636474461823897m_-7840722686676637303Apple-interchange-new=
line"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">A bummer that you =
couldn't participate in the melee, Max, I bet you were disappointed. =
Good recovery by Moss, though.&nbsp;<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Just tells you how fast these things =
spin, for a plastic blade to puncture a metal radiator!&nbsp;<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Dan D</div><div =
class=3D"">'76B, '65B</div><div class=3D"">Central NJ USA<br clear=3D"all"=
 class=3D""><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"m_-1158636474461823897m_-7840722686676637303gmail_signature" =
data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><a =
href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a></div></div></div><br =
class=3D""></div></div></div><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 =
at 11:36 PM Max Heim via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px =
0px 0px =
0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(=
204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">I haven=E2=80=99t said much on the list about =
my project. but I got my =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=9D 66 B roadster together in =
time for the start of the California Melee on Sept. 8. Unfortunately, a =
blade flew off the new Moss plastic fan within the first ten miles and =
punctured the radiator, so that was as far as it got =E2=80=94 from the =
San Francisco Presidio to Marin Civic Center.&nbsp;</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I made the mistake of =
trying to get it to the next exit (it was a bad place to be on the =
shoulder, between the sound wall and 5 lanes of traffic doing 75+), =
which resulted in overheating and a blown head gasket. Total mileage to =
failure on this fan was 307 miles.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Subsequent examination of the stub =
revealed an air pocket in the plastic right at the center of the base of =
the blade. Moss accepted my photo of this as evidence of a manufacturing =
flaw. This model of fan was already out of production (and out of =
warranty) =E2=80=94 I had purchased it as part of a large order back in =
2015 when the car body was still in the paint shop.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">But regardless, they =
decided to send me a new fan ("new model" nylon 7-blade fan) and a new =
aluminum radiator (the shop had told me mine was irreparable). I thought =
this was pretty decent of them.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I just picked up my head at the machine =
shop where they had skimmed the surface and cleaned up the valves. In =
the meantime I had inspected the lifters based on a tip from Dave at =
British Motorsports in Campbell and found a few of them were showing =
pitting. By replacing them now I can save the cam.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Now I just need to pick =
up the lifters and the gasket set and I should be able to have it back =
together this weekend.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">A few tips based on my experience:</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">1. Just shut it down. If I had stayed =
out on the freeway verge I would have saved the head gasket, and AAA =
would have picked me up in a timely manner. But since I had reported =
myself =E2=80=9Csafe=E2=80=9D and off the highway, it took 4 hours to =
get a tow.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">2. Check your lifters every so often. I had replaced the cam =
and lifters due to lifter spalling sometime between 1998 and 2010. The =
new lifters were just starting to pit in 2018.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div>3. If you have a yellow plastic 7-bladed fan from Moss =
USA purchased prior to mid-2015, you may want to consider retiring it. I =
suppose if it hasn=E2=80=99t broken so far, it probably doesn=E2=80=99t =
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From: Max Heim via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 15:16:10 -0700

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Hmmmm=E2=80=A6

2 hours later, the rad temp is down to 94=C2=BA, and the cylinder head =
is at 108=C2=BA, but the gauge is still reading 150=C2=BA.

So it would seem that the range of motion of the gauge has been =
compromised. This is probably not acceptable.

While the only temperature that needs to be indicated with any degree of =
precision is Standard Operating Temperature (180=C2=BA), I feel I need =
to know that the needle is actually capable of moving significantly from =
this position. So I think this guy is coming out.

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'66 MGB

> On Oct 8, 2018, at 1:26 PM, Max Heim <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
>=20
> Anyway, I just took the car for a short spin to get it warmed up. When =
I judged it was at operating temperature, the needle had stalled at =
about 150=C2=BA. The IR gun read the thermostat housing temp at 180=C2=BA =
(makes sense =E2=80=94 it's a 180=C2=BA thermostat) and the upper =
radiator temp at 177=C2=BA, so I pulled the glass off the gauge and =
reset the needle to 180. I=E2=80=99m guessing that the motor wasn=E2=80=99=
t fully cooled down yesterday afternoon when I set the needle at the =
rest point.
remove the bezel.
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> Max Heim
> '66 MGB
>=20
>> On Oct 8, 2018, at 3:59 AM, Dan DiBiase <[email-masked] =
>>=20
(Other than fires)  ;-)
>>>=20
>>> I know there is a flattened tube rolled into a coil inside the =
gauge. Could it have unrolled beyond its intended limit during the =
overheating episode, and is now hung up on some protuberance inside the =
housing, preventing it from recoiling?
>>>>   Test by removing capsule from engine, and putting it into a pan =
of hot water. Check the temp with your hand-held thermometer.
is malfunctioning.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Not the first participants to have to pull in a backup vehicle=E2=80=
=A6
>>>>>=20
>>>>> The plastic blade didn=E2=80=99t directly =E2=80=9Cpuncture=E2=80=9D=

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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Hmmmm=E2=80=A6<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">2 hours later, the rad temp is down to 94=C2=BA, and the =
cylinder head is at 108=C2=BA, but the gauge is still reading =
150=C2=BA.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">So =
it would seem that the range of motion of the gauge has been =
compromised. This is probably not acceptable.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">While the only temperature that needs =
to be indicated with any degree of precision is Standard Operating =
Temperature (180=C2=BA), I feel I need to know that the needle is =
actually capable of moving significantly from this position. So I think =
this guy is coming out.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
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<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Oct 8, 2018, at 1:26 PM, Max Heim &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html charset=3Dutf-8" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: =
space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">I=E2=80=99m in =
NorCal. We have a rainy season (usually), lasting from November to =
April. I usually put the hardtop on at the first heavy rain, and leave =
it on through March, depending on the state of drought.<div class=3D""><br=
 class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Anyway, I just took the car for a =
short spin to get it warmed up. When I judged it was at operating =
temperature, the needle had stalled at about 150=C2=BA. The IR gun read =
the thermostat housing temp at 180=C2=BA (makes sense =E2=80=94 it's a =
180=C2=BA thermostat) and the upper radiator temp at 177=C2=BA, so I =
pulled the glass off the gauge and reset the needle to 180. I=E2=80=99m =
guessing that the motor wasn=E2=80=99t fully cooled down yesterday =
afternoon when I set the needle at the rest point.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I=E2=80=99ll check it in =
a few hours and see what it has gone down to.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Someone suggested the needle had =
slipped. That seems to match most of the observed facts, but it=E2=80=99s =
hard to see how that might have occurred, given that the needle was =
attached firmly when I went to reset it. I am theorizing that when the =
temperature exceeded the intended travel, the coil slipped a gear tooth, =
which is why I have had to move the needle to correct the range of =
travel. Anyway, this approach seems very promising so far.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">For now, I am leaving =
the gauge half out of the dash. so I can easily remove the =
bezel.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">
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Advisable, given there is obviously a problem somewhere with it you =
don't want it stalling at 190 when the temp has got up to 220.

PaulH.
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