Subject: Re: [Mgs] Wire wheel replacing spokes

From: Max Heim via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 17:58:39 -0800

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You are right =E2=80=94 a complete set of spokes far exceeds the cost of =
a new chrome wheel. But it=E2=80=99s not difficult to replace individual =
spokes. I have done it many times over the years. And that is definitely =
cheaper than buying a new wheel very time you break a spoke or two. No =
reason to replace them all =E2=80=94 just ones that are broken or =
noticeably rusted.

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Max Heim
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> On Dec 7, 2016, at 1:45 PM, Hans Duinhoven via Mgs =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
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> I=E2=80=99ve got two chromed wire wheels, which did not pass the MOT =
test.
> There are several lose spokes.
> All nipples are solid, so is it worth while to replace all spokes (buy =
a replacement set)?
> I=E2=80=99m not afraid to do the replacement work myself, as I have =
experience with many mopeds and bikes.
> The wheels still are pretty nice.
> =20
> Looking to a spare set of spokes (40 and 20) it seems a complete set =
becomes far too expensive.
> Am I right?
> =20
> Cheers,
> =20
> Hans Duinhoven
> 71 BGT
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class=3D"">You are right =E2=80=94 a complete set of spokes far exceeds =
the cost of a new chrome wheel. But it=E2=80=99s not difficult to =
replace individual spokes. I have done it many times over the years. And =
that is definitely cheaper than buying a new wheel very time you break a =
spoke or two. No reason to replace them all =E2=80=94 just ones that are =
broken or noticeably rusted.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
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<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Dec 7, 2016, at 1:45 PM, Hans Duinhoven via Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; font-family: =
Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
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start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" class=3D"">I=E2=80=99=
ve got two chromed wire wheels, which did not pass the MOT test.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" class=3D"">There are several lose spokes.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" class=3D"">All nipples are solid, so is it worth while to =
replace all spokes (buy a replacement set)?<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" class=3D"">I=E2=80=99m not afraid to do the replacement =
work myself, as I have experience with many mopeds and bikes.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" class=3D"">The wheels still are pretty nice.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" class=3D"">Looking =
to a spare set of spokes (40 and 20) it seems a complete set becomes far =
too expensive.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" class=3D"">Am I right?<o:p =
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Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 08:40:25 -0000

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Same as Max, just replace the ones that need to be.  I've had to replace =
single spokes a number of times, always the long ones.  You do need to =
unscrew the nipple on an adjacent spoke to be able to swing it out of =
the way to get those back in, and sometimes one on the other side as =
well, it depends on the overall length of the new spoke and how far the =
thickened shank extends.  So how much work it is going to be depends on =
whether those adjacent spokes have seized nipples.  More info here: =
http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/rs.htm#1

PaulH.
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  I've got two chromed wire wheels, which did not pass the MOT test.
  There are several lose spokes.

  I'm not afraid to do the replacement work myself, as I have experience =
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Same as Max, just replace the ones that need to =
be.&nbsp; I've=20
had to replace single spokes a number of times, always the long =
ones.&nbsp; You=20
do need to unscrew the nipple&nbsp;on an adjacent spoke to be able to =
swing=20
it&nbsp;out of the way to get those back in, and sometimes one on the =
other side=20
as well, it depends on the overall length of the new spoke and how far =
the=20
thickened shank extends.&nbsp; So how much work it is going to be =
depends on=20
whether those adjacent spokes have seized nipples.&nbsp; More info here: =
<A=20
href=3D"http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/rs.htm#1">http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk=
/rs.htm#1</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>PaulH.</FONT></DIV>
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Do they check every spoke when they do the MOT? I can't imagine anyone in t=
he US checking for something like that during our 'inspections'. Here in NJ=
, they don't evendo safety inspections any longer, just emissions testing.
Dan D'76B, '65B (both spokeless)Central NJ USA

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=E2=80=99m not afraid to do the replacement work myself, as I have experien=
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NJ, they don't even</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481198454354_24694">=
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yle=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Hans Duinhoven via Mgs &lt;mgs@a=
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mal"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481198454354_24725" lang=3D"EN-US">I=E2=
=80=99ve got two chromed wire wheels, which did not pass the MOT test.</spa=
n></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481198454354_24729" class=3D"yiv22428=
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76MsoNormal"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481198454354_24730" lang=3D"EN-=
US">All nipples are solid, so is it worth while to replace all spokes (buy =
a replacement set)?</span></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481198454354_=
24733" class=3D"yiv2242850276MsoNormal"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_14811=
98454354_24732" lang=3D"EN-US">I=E2=80=99m not afraid to do the replacement=
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<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481198454354_24735" class=3D"yiv2242850276Mso=
Normal"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481198454354_24734" lang=3D"EN-US">T=
he wheels still are pretty nice.</span></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1=
481198454354_24736" class=3D"yiv2242850276MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"> =
&nbsp;</span></div><div class=3D"yiv2242850276MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-U=
S">Looking to a spare set of spokes (40 and 20) it seems a complete set bec=
omes far too expensive.</span></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481198454=
354_24737" class=3D"yiv2242850276MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Am I right=
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I've never known them check the spokes in the UK, although the test does =
call for it in 1b:  http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_420.htm

An ex-MOTer pal says it is a visual only (like on BMW spoked alloys) =
although a very keen tester may ping them - all 240/320 of them.  In my =
experience when they break the break is inside the hub, so only =
detectable if you do ping or wiggle them.

PaulH.

  Do they check every spoke when they do the MOT? I can't imagine anyone =
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Here in NJ, they don't even
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Yes, the ping test is pretty tedious=E2=80=A6

I find they either break just below the head (inside the hub, as you =
said) or on the threaded end just outside the nipple (where they often =
rust), and this is usually only when you are trying to adjust them.

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> On Dec 8, 2016, at 6:06 AM, PaulHunt73 via Mgs <[email-masked]> =
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>=20
> I've never known them check the spokes in the UK, although the test =
does call for it in 1b:  http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_420.htm =
<http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_420.htm>
>> Do they check every spoke when they do the MOT? I can't imagine =
anyone in the US checking for something like that during our =
'inspections'. Here in NJ, they don't even
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class=3D"">Yes, the ping test is pretty tedious=E2=80=A6<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I find they either break =
just below the head (inside the hub, as you said) or on the threaded end =
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<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Dec 8, 2016, at 6:06 AM, PaulHunt73 via Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
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orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" =
class=3D""><font size=3D"2" class=3D"">I've never known them check the =
spokes in the UK, although the test does call for it in 1b:&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_420.htm" =
class=3D"">http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_420.htm</a></font></div><div =
style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" =
class=3D""><font size=3D"2" class=3D""></font>&nbsp;</div><div =
style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" =
class=3D""><font size=3D"2" class=3D"">An ex-MOTer pal says it is a =
visual only (like on BMW spoked alloys) although a very keen tester may =
ping them - all 240/320 of them.&nbsp; In my experience when they break =
the break is inside the hub, so only detectable if you do ping or wiggle =
them.</font></div><div style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: =
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: =
rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=3D""><font size=3D"2" =
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From: Hans Duinhoven via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 11:52:05 +0100

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Yes Dan it is checked.

It is not difficult nor time consuming. 

Turn the wheel and let your fingers go over the spokes. 

Loose spokes can be heard ticking in their holes.

Well adjusted spokes will show a similar sound when the wheel is turned and=
 a handle of a screwdriver is held against the spokes.

Cheers

Hans

Van: Dan DiBiase [mailto:[email-masked]] 
Verzonden: donderdag 8 december 2016 13:28
Aan: Hans Duinhoven; [email-masked]
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Wire wheel replacing spokes

, they don't even

Dan D

'76B, '65B (both spokeless)

Central NJ USA

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To: [email-masked] 

I=E2=80=99ve got two chromed wire wheels, which did not pass the MOT test.

All nipples are solid, so is it worth while to replace all spokes (buy a re=
placement set)?

I=E2=80=99m not afraid to do the replacement work myself, as I have experie=
nce with many mopeds and bikes.

Looking to a spare set of spokes (40 and 20) it seems a complete set become=
s far too expensive.

Am I right?

Cheers,

Hans Duinhoven

71 BGT

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'>Yes Dan it is checked.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span la=
ng=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";col=
or:#1F497D'>It is not difficult nor time consuming. <o:p></o:p></span></p><=
p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-famil=
y:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Turn the wheel and let your fingers=
 go over the spokes. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=
=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color=
:#1F497D'>Loose spokes can be heard ticking in their holes.<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;fon=
t-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Well adjusted spokes will sh=
ow a similar sound when the wheel is turned and a handle of a screwdriver i=
s held against the spokes.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";c=
olor:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=
=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color=
:#1F497D'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-=
US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F49=
7D'>Hans<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=
=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p=
>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5=
C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Van:</span></b><spa=
n style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Dan DiBiase=
 [mailto:[email-masked]] <br><b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 8 december 20=
16 13:28<br><b>Aan:</b> Hans Duinhoven; [email-masked]<br><b>Onderwerp:=
</b> Re: [Mgs] Wire wheel replacing spokes<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_=
1_1481198454354_24693"><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><spa=
n style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:blac=
k'>Do they check every spoke when they do the MOT? I can't imagine anyone i=
n the US checking for something like that during our 'inspections'. Here in=
 NJ, they don't even<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_=
1_1481198454354_24694"><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><spa=
n style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:blac=
k'>do safety inspections any longer, just emissions testing.<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481198454354_24696"><p class=3DM=
soNormal style=3D'background:white'><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></di=
v><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481198454354_24713"><p class=3DMsoNormal st=
yle=3D'background:white'><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helve=
tica","sans-serif";color:black'>Dan D<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id=3D=
"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481198454354_24718"><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'backg=
round:white'><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-=
serif";color:black'>'76B, '65B (both spokeless)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span style=3D'font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Central NJ USA<=
o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481198454354_24719=
"><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><spa=
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4354_24723"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481198454354_24722"><div id=3D"yu=
i_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481198454354_24721"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_148119845=
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div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><b><span style=3D'font-=
size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><=
span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black=
'> Hans Duinhoven via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mgs@aut=
ox.team.net</a>&gt;<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mgs=
@autox.team.net</a> <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 7, 2016 4:45 PM<br=
><b>Subject:</b> [Mgs] Wire wheel replacing spokes</span><span style=3D'fon=
t-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div>=
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481198454354_24724"><p class=3DMsoNormal styl=
e=3D'background:white'><span style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";=
color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div id=3Dyiv2242850276><div id=3D=
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=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-fa=
mily:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>I=E2=80=99ve got two chromed wir=
e wheels, which did not pass the MOT test.</span><span style=3D'font-family=
:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481198454354_24729"><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'ba=
ckground:white'><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-s=
erif";color:black'>There are several lose spokes.</span><span style=3D'font=
-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><=
div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481198454354_24731"><p class=3DMsoNormal style=
=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","=
sans-serif";color:black'>All nipples are solid, so is it worth while to rep=
lace all spokes (buy a replacement set)?</span><span style=3D'font-family:"=
Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id=3D=
"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481198454354_24733"><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'backg=
round:white'><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-seri=
f";color:black'>I=E2=80=99m not afraid to do the replacement work myself, a=
s I have experience with many mopeds and bikes.</span><span style=3D'font-f=
amily:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><di=
v id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481198454354_24735"><p class=3DMsoNormal style=
=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","=
sans-serif";color:black'>The wheels still are pretty nice.</span><span styl=
e=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></=
p></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481198454354_24736"><p class=3DMsoNor=
mal style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Hel=
vetica","sans-serif";color:black'>&nbsp;</span><span style=3D'font-family:"=
Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p cl=
ass=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font=
-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Looking to a spare set of spo=
kes (40 and 20) it seems a complete set becomes far too expensive.</span><s=
pan style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p><=
/span></p></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481198454354_24737"><p class=
=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-fa=
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'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></=
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