Subject: Re: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 95, Issue 15

From: Joel Martin via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 13:14:36 +0000 (UTC)

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I was also getting gas fumes in the trunk.=C2=A0 This line that runs from t=
he charcoal canister to the tank has a connection or two pieces to make the=
 run to the tank. We unscrewed the back have section and blew compressed ai=
r and checked with two people - this section was clear but the from section=
 to the canister was clogged up.=C2=A0 We sprayed a little carb cleaner in =
at both ends and blew more air going both directions.=C2=A0 A good amount o=
f gunk came out both ends.=C2=A0 Use a rag at each end to catch the gunk wh=
en blowing the air.=C2=A0 Problem solved.=C2=A0 We also swapped out the ori=
ginal hoses in the trunk to the gas tank and canister=C2=A0 just to be sure=
.=C2=A0 It sure is nice now to have no gas fumes in trunk.=C2=A0=20

Hope this helps.
1973 MGB with air pump removed, anti run on valve and charcoal canister sti=
ll in place.
RegardsJoel Martin, original owner
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ramond, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1429=
791418085_104159" dir=3D"ltr">I was also getting gas fumes in the trunk.&nb=
sp; This line that runs from the charcoal canister to the tank has a connec=
tion or two pieces to make the run to the tank. We unscrewed the back have =
section and blew compressed air and checked with two people - this section =
was clear but the from section to the canister was clogged up.&nbsp; We spr=
ayed a little carb cleaner in at both ends and blew more air going both dir=
ections.&nbsp; A good amount of gunk came out both ends.&nbsp; Use a rag at=
 each end to catch the gunk when blowing the air.&nbsp; Problem solved.&nbs=
p; We also swapped out the original hoses in the trunk to the gas tank and =
canister&nbsp; just to be sure.&nbsp; It sure is nice now to have no gas fu=
mes in trunk.&nbsp; <br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1429791418085_111048"=
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From: Charley & Peggy Robinson via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 10:58:58 -0500

Folks, take a look at this:http://www.mgexp.com/phile/1/243820/oilfilter.jpg

And here it is on Moss UK: 
http://www.moss-europe.co.uk/shop-by-model/mg/mgb-c-v8/engine/oil-system/spin-on-oil-filter-conversions.html

I'm using this which is NLA : 
http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=28980 Look 
at item #77 & scroll down to it.

I may switch to the one from Moss UK.  Going to call Moss USA to find 
out if they can get it into stock.

CR

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From: Max Heim via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 09:36:56 -0700

That looks like a good piece to me. I am using the other one on the Moss Motors page — the inverted adapter (72). I didn’t pay $100 for it, though -- I found it at the wreckers. It’s convenient but a little messy.

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> On Apr 23, 2015, at 8:58 AM, Charley & Peggy Robinson via Mgs <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> And here it is on Moss UK: http://www.moss-europe.co.uk/shop-by-model/mg/mgb-c-v8/engine/oil-system/spin-on-oil-filter-conversions.html
> 
> I'm using this which is NLA : http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=28980 Look at item #77 & scroll down to it.
> 
> I may switch to the one from Moss UK.  Going to call Moss USA to find out if they can get it into stock.
> 
> CR
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From: Barney Gaylord via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 10:23:00 -0700

CR,

That straight hanging adapter from Moss is available in US as weol as 
UK.  But it has a serious problem with poor design such that the 
filter can jam on the unit and cannot be removed.  Some filters may 
work.  Many filters will jam in place.  Occasionally one will leak 
due to lack of seating the seal.  The issue is inadewuate space at 
the shoulder of the hex fitting with the screw-on thread.

For many years Moss has refused to acknowledge the problem and will 
not fix it.  Each individual customer is then stuck with figuring it 
out and having to do a field mod to make it serviceable.  It is best 
to modify the part before installation or do not install it at 
all.  See details and reports here: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/faulty/ft026.htm

At 10:58 AM 4/23/2015 -0500, Charley & Peggy Robinson via Mgs wrote:
>http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=28980 
>Look at item #77 & scroll down to it.
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From: Charley & Peggy Robinson via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 14:45:42 -0500

Folks,

   I talked to Moss USA about this adapter.  They say that it can't be 
used on the '68 and later Bs because the later starter is longer than 
the earlier one, so it sticks into the space that the filter would  
occupy if it was hung straight down.  I suppose that's why the adapter I 
have (77 on the diagram)) was made.  Why it's NLA is beyond me.  I came 
by mine in a box of miscellaneous parts that was in the boot of the '70 
B that I used to have.

Barney, that's good info, thanks.  Looks to me that the best way to fix 
that is to mill the hole in the casting deeper.

CR

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From: PaulHunt73 via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 10:02:26 +0100

FWIW I've got two hanging filters and one inverted, and for me the inverted 
is far easier to handle and no messier.  The problem with the hanging is 
that as soon as the seal breaks on unscrewing oil runs down the outside, 
making the can slippy and impossible to grip with gloves, I have to wrap 
masking tape round them first.  They also need something underneath them to 
catch the dripping oil, just like the inverted, but I'd rather be handling a 
clean cannister than one covered in oil.

Also FWIW from what I've seen the factory only used the hanging screw-on for 
four months, but it was from Oct 73 to Feb 74 whereas the same 2M100 starter 
was used from August 71 onwards, and modified 18V engines for the rubber 
bumper models didn't start until September 74.  So I don't see what the 
starter has to do with first the introduction of a hanging spin-on and then 
the almost immediate reversion to inverted.

PaulH.

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> ... I am using the other one on the Moss Motors page — the inverted 
> adapter (72). I didn’t pay $100 for it, though -- I found it at the 
> wreckers. It’s convenient but a little messy.

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From: Charley & Peggy Robinson via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 11:56:44 -0500

What I like about the hanging filter the most is that I can fill it with 
oil before installing it, which gets the oil pressure up sooner on 
startup.  My '69 B had the inverted cartridge filter originally. The 
adapter had its own drain plug, accessible from below, so the filter 
housing could be drained before removing the housing.  Gotta face facts 
though; changing oil is messy. :-(

I checked my engine.  The starter does extend slightly into the space 
directly below the filter adapter mounting boss.  I'm not sure the 
spin-on adapters I was going on about are OEM parts.  Anyone know for sure?

CR

On 4/24/2015 4:02 AM, PaulHunt73 via Mgs wrote:
> FWIW I've got two hanging filters and one inverted, and for me the 
> inverted is far easier to handle and no messier. The problem with the 
> hanging is that as soon as the seal breaks on unscrewing oil runs down 
> the outside, making the can slippy and impossible to grip with gloves, 
> I have to wrap masking tape round them first.  They also need 
> something underneath them to catch the dripping oil, just like the 
> inverted, but I'd rather be handling a clean cannister than one 
> covered in oil.
>
> Also FWIW from what I've seen the factory only used the hanging 
> screw-on for four months, but it was from Oct 73 to Feb 74 whereas the 
> same 2M100 starter was used from August 71 onwards, and modified 18V 
> engines for the rubber bumper models didn't start until September 74.  
> So I don't see what the starter has to do with first the introduction 
> of a hanging spin-on and then the almost immediate reversion to inverted.
>
> PaulH.
>
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