From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 21 04:42:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79BC82D061C for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 04:42:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f173.google.com (mail-wi0-f173.google.com [209.85.212.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D62F32D047B for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 04:35:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f173.google.com with SMTP id hm4so1248390wib.2 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 03:36:31 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=ybkeaDRvMg+trazUX6uWhQDlwFVy5P3Bg4iIBCs0AV0=; b=IOv9TtIfYbFblkEpDd03m4iiB8RalcgW0m0fTK3wMcDrfQqWO7cvrWLhNVLVsr9g+u M7mTdwP/3L+aNhic/ZdJsX7FszWERl9vlG7j8Av+SYotUJQj3XisTR9kIqAAxTBSu9JQ qHG0xa8UPjizdyeUxX79PRrlLPxgH8firvdtekULn8qzm94kdr3mZEOSarfjZqV/1h+X fw5BLx1z1iGrRSK52ZfaM3+CM3hTL0a875Y1b9k/FpRAkVLK4977BQaY7Ps76Ux/fAGV QoS1QnaZIYtitqbBTn5NtXsCKrFua8Rr6Hfx1tQu+8GHzcd2qx4jBEUeCDLbKARmpeSv 4DFw== Received: by 10.180.105.168 with SMTP id gn8mr14124836wib.10.1350815791380; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 03:36:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-3.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.105]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gg4sm15083606wib.6.2012.10.21.03.36.29 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 21 Oct 2012 03:36:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Robert J. Guinness" , "MG List" References: <50834EF6.4050806@stclegal.com> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 11:19:34 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGA 180 out Distributor Mystery Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net As the points weren't opening on the original distributor, that was the original problem. You then fitted several distributors. If you didn't remove the plug leads from either the plugs or the original cap (did you reuse that with each of the replacement distributors?) then the assembly of the rotor and the drive shaft of the original distributor was 180 degrees different to the others you tried. Whether it is right now or not is another matter. Static timing with the pulley mark by the appropriate pointer will show the points opening when No.1 *or* No.4 pistons are at TDC, but only one of those will be on its *compression* stroke. You determine that by removing the plug from No.1 cylinder, putting your thumb over the hole, and turning the engine until compression pushes your thumb off, then turn to TDC. If the rotor is now pointing to about 2 o'clock, then either drive gear and distributor assembly are both correct, or both 180 degrees out. If it's pointing to about 8 o'clock then one or other is 180 degrees out. Whether it is worth doing anything about it is another matter. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > ... Two sets of newly installed points would not open when fully > adjusted out. A club member suggested that the distributor bearing was > wearing out. I took the 1800's original 25D distributor and base clamp > and installed it. ... I got used another DM2 with the same result. I > installed a new Lucas 25D, same > result. Then I switched the wires replacing #1 with #4 and # 2 and # 3 > figuring it was 180 out. Bingo, it purred like a kitten. Mystery. How > could the distributor drive gear get 180 out when I never touched it? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 21 10:58:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EC872D02CC for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 10:58:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00FF02D02BB; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 10:58:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42FF02E01D; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 10:59:29 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 10:59:04 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120315 Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8 To: "Mgs@autox.team.net" , Spridgets@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Sweet! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I finally took the time to sit down and focus on the Team.Net archiving problem. It seems to be working once again. Click on the archive link and check it out. There are still some problems, like the "prev" and "next" buttons, but the basic functionality is there, the archives are getting updated every hour. It will be a while before I get all the missing mail back in there, should be done sometime during the week. And feel free to click on the links for the Google ads, I could use a few pennies and nickles for a celebratory beverage. Maybe an Epic Spiral Jetty IPA or a some of their Imperial Red... mjb. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 21 11:58:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99CAF2D0335 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 11:58:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7CEA2D02CE for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 11:58:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-56.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.56]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q9LHxD3l014890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 10:59:15 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.34.0.120813 Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 19:07:32 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] MGA 180 out Distributor Mystery Thread-Index: Ac2vMNRgWkwCzcaPA0+4rtml8e2AMg== Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGA 180 out Distributor Mystery Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Because the DPO had put the drive gear in the wrong way, and "compensated" by rearranging the plug wires. You didn't find this out until you tried a different distributor. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 10/20/12 6:25 PM, Robert J. Guinness at guinness@stclegal.com wrote: > I have an MGA 1600 with an MGB 1800 3 main engine and a DM2 distributor > from the original 1600 engine. It was missing badly when I parked it. > Then I could not start it at all and had mammoth backfires out the > tailpipe. Two sets of newly installed points would not open when fully > adjusted out. A club member suggested that the distributor bearing was > wearing out. I took the 1800's original 25D distributor and base clamp > and installed it. Static timed it with the rotor pointing to the #1 > wire, but same result. Getting good gas flow to carbs. Compression all > between 110 and 120. Spark plugs had velvety black soot. I got used > another DM2 with the same result. I installed a new Lucas 25D, same > result. Then I switched the wires replacing #1 with #4 and # 2 and # 3 > figuring it was 180 out. Bingo, it purred like a kitten. Mystery. How > could the distributor drive gear get 180 out when I never touched it? I > had replace the points twice before by taking the distributor out and > static timing it with the rotor at the #1 plug. I am flummoxed. Any clues? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 21 15:21:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E4BD2D02D3 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 15:21:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1CDC2D0281 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 15:21:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta20.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.87]) by qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Dwnb1k0041smiN4A3xNbuf; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 21:22:35 +0000 Received: from [IPv6:2601:5:640:2:7958:6d9b:669a:6a41] ([IPv6:2601:5:640:2:7958:6d9b:669a:6a41]) by omta20.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id DxNY1k00R2sxCY88gxNaEC; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 21:22:35 +0000 Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 16:22:48 -0500 From: Glenn Schnittke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGA 180 out Distributor Mystery Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net There are three ways to get the distributor 180d out; the drive gear, the wires and the dog. Others have mentioned getting the drive gear out and making sure the #1 piston is on the COMPRESSION stroke. The other way it can happen is if someone rebuilt the distributor and got the drive dog back on 180 out. It's easy to do, but doesn't sound like that's the case for you. Glenn > Subject: [Mgs] MGA 180 out Distributor Mystery > Message-ID:<50834EF6.4050806@stclegal.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I have an MGA 1600 with an MGB 1800 3 main engine and a DM2 distributor > from the original 1600 engine. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 22 00:54:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0148A2D01FA for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 00:54:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp192.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp192.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.192]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 852CC2D01B3 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 00:46:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp29.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 3B6871487CC for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 02:47:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp29.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: don-AT-napanet.net) with ESMTPSA id 317E8148760 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 02:47:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 23:44:29 -0700 To: mgs@autox.team.net From: Don Subject: [Mgs] Don Hayter interview and book Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net There is a new book out by Don Hayter, the designer of the MGB. The publishing company did a short interview of him which is quite interesting for anyone who is a friend of the marque. I haven't got a copy of the book, but will probably buy one being a great admirer of the MGB design. I still remember the first time I saw a new '63 MGB on display at a county fair when I was a lad and how impressed I was by its beautiful lines. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Don Hayter was educated at Abingdon School, Oxford, winning the Bennett Scholarship to Pembroke College. With the outbreak of WWII he decided to take an apprenticeship in aircraft design at the Pressed Steel Company, Cowley. Attending Oxford Technical College, and attaining a Higher National Certificate in Metallurgy and Engineering, he worked at various aircraft manufacturers, before moving into the car industry after the war. Working on many cars, including the MG Magnette, in 1954 he moved to Aston Martin, working on the design for the DB2/4 and the Lagonda, before moving back to MG's Design & Development department. Promoted to Chief Design & Development Engineer in 1973, he was responsible for the design of the MGB body, and stayed with MG until the closure of its factory in 1980. Don remains passionately enthusiastic about this iconic car, and still runs one himself today. link to interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq7d7G1zQws link to purchase the book: http://www.veloce.co.uk/shop/products/productDetail.php?prod_id=V4460&prod_group=Cars%20Vans%20&%20Trucks& ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Don Scott Calistoga CA USA 1955 MGTF 1962 MGA Mk 2 1967 MGB 1963-7 MGB (seeking) Misc. Japanese cars _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 22 03:13:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0267E2D01FA for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 03:13:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-bk0-f41.google.com (mail-bk0-f41.google.com [209.85.214.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 201B72D01BE for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 03:04:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-bk0-f41.google.com with SMTP id jm1so833170bkc.14 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 02:05:16 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=xJhWt0UdkBrCE8r1Yu0D2BE5qvTMvpF9D6ZBXbxqi1U=; b=nCuaITttB8kgBX40TgNG5d5fsxSWbqIuIo97PASr2WDehaegaf7jwPzSE43iwNWKuw JZ/KR2I4ykoQsDskAraibFjRHdxZqlY/mxA1RoLnqgFCo2AqcIdXgxPgiU4/M51a58Lu +L+PWh6uwvyQQiukhb3pz7f5Gys8ca+pSjINYrxueuLdLxd98rvE4Fcv8KlgGftFIhjd K+ow8UT3Y1mVkdYoM9wtIIwOvlrg5/dqPAWZfKQuF735372Tn/D+65JMV9pG1YA95dam MwhyAP0lh9+ZdJjcDUGAEKi6Mv6M3SnjHkJI5ObmOq6lSaaJYpaip3V7WRdQmaypcmBX WZQg== Received: by 10.205.128.148 with SMTP id he20mr2388304bkc.99.1350896716699; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 02:05:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-3.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.105]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s20sm2860704bkw.15.2012.10.22.02.05.13 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 22 Oct 2012 02:05:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: , "Don" References: Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 09:41:57 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Don Hayter interview and book Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Me too. Before I saw the MGB I wanted a Sunbeam Alpine. Afterwards I never looked at another car in the same way, but it took me 25 years to get one, and that was 22 years ago. ----- Original Message ----- > ... I still remember the first time I saw a new '63 > MGB on display at a county fair when I was a lad and how impressed I > was by its beautiful lines. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 22 16:06:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8165A2D0224 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 16:06:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from epsilon.look.ca (epsilon.look.ca [216.66.192.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 306082D0211; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 16:01:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lns4-pool-d842b100.dsl.look.ca ([216.66.177.0] helo=tower.look.ca) by epsilon.look.ca with esmtpa (user vectis@look.ca)(Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TQOfD-0003uO-NP; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 16:31:55 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 10:50:14 -0400 To: Mark J Bradakis , "Mgs@autox.team.net" ,Spridgets@autox.team.net From: Barrie Robinson References: <508429D8.904@bradakis.com> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Sweet! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mark, See if you can get a good English brew there - Wells IPA !!! At 10:59 AM 10/21/2012 -0600, Mark J Bradakis wrote: >I finally took the time to sit down and focus on the Team.Net >archiving problem. >It seems to be working once again. Click on the archive link and >check it out. >There are still some problems, like the "prev" and "next" buttons, >but the basic >functionality is there, the archives are getting updated every hour. >It will be >a while before I get all the missing mail back in there, should be >done sometime >during the week. > >And feel free to click on the links for the Google ads, I could use >a few pennies >and nickles for a celebratory beverage. Maybe an Epic Spiral Jetty >IPA or a some >of their Imperial Red... > > >mjb. >_______________________________________________ > >Mgs@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.75 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrie@look.ca Regards Barrie barrie@look.ca 705-721-9060 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 22 17:47:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 135382D029B for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 17:47:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail.pure-chaos.com (ember.pure-chaos.com [66.18.15.62]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6EED2D01EC for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 17:29:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.pure-chaos.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51BF086009 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 18:30:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.pure-chaos.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ember.pure-chaos.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RnCILxKfSUeZ for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 18:30:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.168.5.50] (70-36-176-252.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [70.36.176.252]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: lrc.red4est) by mail.pure-chaos.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F049B86002 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 18:30:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Larry Colen Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 16:30:51 -0700 To: MG List Subject: [Mgs] Engine compartment progress Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I was about to start putting the motor back into Jasmine, my 69 BGT, and took a slight detour to clean the engine compartment up. I used catalyzed paint and a preval canister for spraying. Now that I've done it, I know a lot better how to do a good job, but it's not worth spending another week redoing the paint in the engine compartment. Here's the starting point: http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157631831705693/ Here it is this afternoon: http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157631831646349/ Here is the flickr collection of the various sets: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/collections/72157622346827887/ I think that I'm just about ready to set the motor in place, so that I can at least start making sure I have room for everything, and that it is routed cleanly. I also need to start work on a new dashboard, one that is mounted to the rollcage. That may first involve repaininting the rollcage I'm afraid. I'm trying to keep in mind that my goal on the aesthetics is not showcar, but racecar. 50/50 would work, I'm going for 20/20. -- Larry Colen lrc@red4est.com sent from i4est _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 22 17:56:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97CC32D02F3 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 17:56:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail.pure-chaos.com (ember.pure-chaos.com [66.18.15.62]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C1272D0210 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 17:33:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.pure-chaos.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0888786009 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 18:34:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.pure-chaos.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ember.pure-chaos.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mKrC8zfV1Hb3 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 18:34:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.168.5.50] (70-36-176-252.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [70.36.176.252]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: lrc.red4est) by mail.pure-chaos.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9E02086002 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 18:34:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Larry Colen Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 16:34:53 -0700 To: MG List Subject: [Mgs] Rod & Spanner stained glass Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Back in college Paul Kile and I used to call our house the Rod & Spanner. We even had a crest for the house, which eventually being partial inspiration for the SOL crest. My girlfriend just commissioned someone to do the crest in stained glass. I'm quite stoked. Here's a picture: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8101962183/in/set-72157631803581942 >From the set: http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157631803581942/ -- Larry Colen lrc@red4est.com sent from i4est _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 22 17:58:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D4792D0469 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 17:58:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa01-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa01-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [72.167.82.85]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5E3B82D0299 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 17:46:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 10004 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2012 23:41:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (205.197.253.3) by p3plsmtpa01-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (72.167.82.85) with ESMTP; 22 Oct 2012 23:41:00 -0000 From: "Clayton Kirkwood" To: "'MG List'" References: <50834EF6.4050806@stclegal.com> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 16:40:37 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac2veNlJII99uFCdTc2Eg5uEBOUTjgBNGrvg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGA 180 out Distributor Mystery Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Correct me if I am wrong please, but it seems the only reason to set the distributor up "right" with the rotor pointing to the 1st cylinder (1 oclock) is so that everybody does it the same way and nobody gets confused like this. If the distributor is 180 degrees out, one only need change the wires around. In fact, you could technically put the distributor in in any orientation and as long as you get cyl 1 tdc on the compression stroke and turn the distributor body to line up the rotor with the cyl 1 ignition wire you would be ok. Of course, you may have problems with the vacuum advance alignment but that is a different story. I think it basically comes down to everybody agreeing to one convention like driving on the left side of the road is wrong:>) Clayton -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of PaulHunt73 Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 3:20 AM To: Robert J. Guinness; MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGA 180 out Distributor Mystery As the points weren't opening on the original distributor, that was the original problem. You then fitted several distributors. If you didn't remove the plug leads from either the plugs or the original cap (did you reuse that with each of the replacement distributors?) then the assembly of the rotor and the drive shaft of the original distributor was 180 degrees different to the others you tried. Whether it is right now or not is another matter. Static timing with the pulley mark by the appropriate pointer will show the points opening when No.1 *or* No.4 pistons are at TDC, but only one of those will be on its *compression* stroke. You determine that by removing the plug from No.1 cylinder, putting your thumb over the hole, and turning the engine until compression pushes your thumb off, then turn to TDC. If the rotor is now pointing to about 2 o'clock, then either drive gear and distributor assembly are both correct, or both 180 degrees out. If it's pointing to about 8 o'clock then one or other is 180 degrees out. Whether it is worth doing anything about it is another matter. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > ... Two sets of newly installed points would not open when fully > adjusted out. A club member suggested that the distributor bearing > was wearing out. I took the 1800's original 25D distributor and base > clamp and installed it. ... I got used another DM2 with the same > result. I installed a new Lucas 25D, same result. Then I switched the > wires replacing #1 with #4 and # 2 and # 3 figuring it was 180 out. > Bingo, it purred like a kitten. Mystery. How could the distributor > drive gear get 180 out when I never touched it? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/crk@godblessthe.us _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 22 18:14:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE33C2D029B for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 18:14:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B65FF2D0272 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 17:58:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EEF62E01E for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 17:59:39 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 17:59:10 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120315 Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8 To: MG List References: <443F951E-6F7C-4221-B988-2B209A289421@red4est.com> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Rod & Spanner stained glass Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Very nice! mjb. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 22 18:56:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 934742D029F for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 18:56:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A5C02D0221 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 18:53:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-202.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.202]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q9N0shZC012377 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 17:54:46 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.34.0.120813 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 17:48:38 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] Rod & Spanner stained glass Thread-Index: Ac2wuCOEoszvsr428UOB9lH3/BUA0A== Subject: Re: [Mgs] Rod & Spanner stained glass Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net That's very cool! on 10/22/12 4:34 PM, Larry Colen at lrc@red4est.com wrote: > Back in college Paul Kile and I used to call our house the Rod & Spanner. We > even had a crest for the house, which eventually being partial inspiration for > the SOL crest. My girlfriend just commissioned someone to do the crest in > stained glass. I'm quite stoked. > > Here's a picture: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8101962183/in/set-72157631803581942 > > From the set: > http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157631803581942/ > > -- > Larry Colen lrc@red4est.com sent from i4est > _______________________________________________ -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 22 18:56:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62C042D02A9 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 18:56:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E7C32D026B for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 18:53:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-202.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.202]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q9N0shZD012377 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 17:54:47 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.34.0.120813 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 17:54:30 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] MGA 180 out Distributor Mystery Thread-Index: Ac2veNlJII99uFCdTc2Eg5uEBOUTjgBNGrvgAALsR7U= Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGA 180 out Distributor Mystery Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net It's the vacuum advance position. The limits to rotation are the starter, the heater valve, and of course how much slack you have in the vacuum hose. With the gear 180 degrees out, the vac advance knob will be in an awkward position, and you may not be able to dial in all the advance you want because the pot is hitting something. I struggled with this for some time before finally sorting it out. There was a reason for the factory orientation. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 10/22/12 4:40 PM, Clayton Kirkwood at crk@godblessthe.us wrote: > Correct me if I am wrong please, but it seems the only reason to set the > distributor up "right" with the rotor pointing to the 1st cylinder (1 > oclock) is so that everybody does it the same way and nobody gets confused > like this. If the distributor is 180 degrees out, one only need change the > wires around. In fact, you could technically put the distributor in in any > orientation and as long as you get cyl 1 tdc on the compression stroke and > turn the distributor body to line up the rotor with the cyl 1 ignition wire > you would be ok. Of course, you may have problems with the vacuum advance > alignment but that is a different story. I think it basically comes down to > everybody agreeing to one convention like driving on the left side of the > road is wrong:>) > > Clayton > > -----Original Message----- > From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of PaulHunt73 > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 3:20 AM > To: Robert J. Guinness; MG List > Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGA 180 out Distributor Mystery > > As the points weren't opening on the original distributor, that was the > original problem. You then fitted several distributors. If you didn't > remove the plug leads from either the plugs or the original cap (did you > reuse that with each of the replacement distributors?) then the assembly of > the rotor and the drive shaft of the original distributor was 180 degrees > different to the others you tried. > > Whether it is right now or not is another matter. Static timing with the > pulley mark by the appropriate pointer will show the points opening when > No.1 *or* No.4 pistons are at TDC, but only one of those will be on its > *compression* stroke. You determine that by removing the plug from No.1 > cylinder, putting your thumb over the hole, and turning the engine until > compression pushes your thumb off, then turn to TDC. If the rotor is now > pointing to about 2 o'clock, then either drive gear and distributor assembly > are both correct, or both 180 degrees out. If it's pointing to about 8 > o'clock then one or other is 180 degrees out. Whether it is worth doing > anything about it is another matter. > > PaulH. > > ----- Original Message ----- >> ... Two sets of newly installed points would not open when fully >> adjusted out. A club member suggested that the distributor bearing >> was wearing out. I took the 1800's original 25D distributor and base >> clamp and installed it. ... I got used another DM2 with the same >> result. I installed a new Lucas 25D, same result. Then I switched the >> wires replacing #1 with #4 and # 2 and # 3 figuring it was 180 out. >> Bingo, it purred like a kitten. Mystery. How could the distributor >> drive gear get 180 out when I never touched it? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 23 02:08:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2D422D02C2 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 02:08:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-bk0-f41.google.com (mail-bk0-f41.google.com [209.85.214.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93D562D02AA for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 02:00:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-bk0-f41.google.com with SMTP id jm1so1325325bkc.14 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 01:01:59 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=si3QT+MmcsC6ksjhlRWyvm5l698nmYIlBAe8gIe3Pmw=; b=VTB6Y2g3/IhS4f62E20GGFbCSXNtNIRsnH9npk/CWnegeceSgb0DEeufZTAgH07AzA /HCbVKHC6cT7lt7i9nXfzmW47OoCsVmGuI9vhHXKox6CnyPZP8dwykk77z+B5oXMzOCM E0hZE1/qaU/HxxB4teUO57dfrqYsQwKsHNbWVvimQehk29q03n0rWjc3Puv0ZCevTFf9 YdCSP7hXQTeRx+Xo7jz4Yk+k6imCY6kKd81N7JJEf/wkBLFiv1oA0AkXJcW4MQjnN/9F KqAHJEt9gcad0/KPQNEgPi/k1ProfPeBsLOVP7PcyJdeBb3dIwkyhghAIrpoIC8+dhXa thiw== Received: by 10.204.128.155 with SMTP id k27mr3347571bks.26.1350979318887; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 01:01:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-3.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.105]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r15sm4858291bkw.9.2012.10.23.01.01.54 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 23 Oct 2012 01:01:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: , "'MG List'" References: <50834EF6.4050806@stclegal.com> <00af01cdb0ae$a550dab0$eff29010$@us> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 08:43:58 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGA 180 out Distributor Mystery Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Quite. It's a convention. As the distributor will only fully engage with the drive gear in one position it is only of use when changing caps ... or removing plug leads from cap and/or plugs ... or installing a different distributor ... Come to think of it that's quite a few 'only's, and a bit like 'What did the Romans do for us?'. However with the distributor inserted and the drive dog engaged with the gear you can turn the body all you like but the rotor won't move. That's why you have to move the leads round the cap if the distributor assembly or drive gear orientation aren't as they were when the engine last ran. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Correct me if I am wrong please, but it seems the only reason to set the > distributor up "right" with the rotor pointing to the 1st cylinder (1 > oclock) is so that everybody does it the same way and nobody gets confused > like this. > ... turn the distributor body to line up the rotor with the cyl 1 ignition > wire _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 23 04:57:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 857A52D030E for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 04:57:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm25-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm25-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.52.240]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BB9D2D02C7 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 04:55:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.52.190] by nm25.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2012 10:56:21 -0000 Received: from [98.139.52.172] by tm3.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2012 10:56:21 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1055.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2012 10:56:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 84065 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Oct 2012 10:56:21 -0000 s=s1024; t=1350989781; bh=D6p8gs14ILkMCpkKsnxnoHynSRYb9a/F7hyhwb/S0Pg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=HB3NLKyFz5hiIwF1fYFKT+cZHRgwbbpeB38v064ajrrZqTWytsXtPigp67t382Gef8roqAR8v8AY6A1McUGwPAwTKdo+Oxn+v23Ie8NozfP1iPY6Hi/C5z2zXCxIf8kxs4K0VrCZUHAHgnYL3S/l0UVHWJZ1+dAx6U+eg+cTNWk= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=pFyVGDKIoF/C3szDl+yFUMfpZ3B+Rt8Z/o//znHKrvfO0B/HS7c2oaAkmQfgebcQsIAU8kB4+PoTz4D4utr5MdRZgJk01SGfHv4trLdbOlxIZ84mcDW91Hj6nB/wmxujuLSmQwzJSbByJTEfx4z1bGj2Omt7XrcOGqsIujHx5/k=; rFHNO8J1PNztVTC4v4Q5wrGybA.8PQuMZB4s2CORH75NAT59cHVwrOcCN.V0 LTmYWqTvvDlRFSN9FbegYwienmalMjv1tLAWF0FNSSU4xqAnOd3V7uokLaSb U1DPLrhmHWCc.BUHFJavJTKSzal94tgo0XMCF5GDlRdRgwChv6NpARxpif4F 97ebaJ.iw95WRzh4X4.48XAT7i28HAoKMWjOoQqLZdDIaAZ3Evfe8_fyA0Wg 6GTFt3M1uOPHlIS_elHyvnaucMltthFY3Y_MTsxxa8VliMK7jMe1PHbAAzh6 YGP1rEJGKr37jGftQ34Od0VLCN.dYxDeJa4XR8JWjcXoeHZmgFvY9_zFfOfr AK3Fe46yrj2YsnX.od29q4fUW6YkZ..sMuNT1IBVSt9gXVTfKcK8qYYkKNnO xWnA3JIizreQxWZfaebH8va7jUMTWZ5yNs.DF14y2erjGt0kY9lTuKuEFs6k ZgY0s2vdeRYnDcZ4QUMvwUq97UQPgIybN8pEcFSWzs7ozJ_FJ8DXQ4oNYWcM DwiSP5i3gECR1SYG92sAuUsZvmAe1Obv0Te7qdWQMrtS.r02IAzkxZpRQ.CP TjRBfEn_BOXuTsuDTDRvx8XhneuniY119MUkrwHRQs34_9v7ev97WU0sG0CS kCDGS64nCdItvn8QKQb6Sqq_nRU6kdvpBiYBoRPblADDUxob9up31YhFitkI - Received: from [69.248.128.143] by web39401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 03:56:20 PDT TG92ZSBpdCwgTGFycnkhCgpEYW4gRAonNzYgQiBEcml2ZXIKJzY1IEIgUHJvamVjdApDZW50cmFsIE5KIFVTQQoKCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCiBGcm9tOiBMYXJyeSBDb2xlbiA8bHJjQHJlZDRlc3QuY29tPgpUbzogTUcgTGlzdCA8bWdzQGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0PiAKU2VudDogTW9uZGF5LCBPY3RvYmVyIDIyLCAyMDEyIDc6MzQgUE0KU3ViamVjdDogW01nc10gUm9kICYgU3Bhbm5lciBzdGFpbmVkIGdsYXNzCiAKQmFjayBpbiBjb2xsZWdlIFBhdWwgS2lsZSBhbmQgSSB1c2UBMAEBAQE- References: <443F951E-6F7C-4221-B988-2B209A289421@red4est.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 03:56:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan DiBiase To: Larry Colen , MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Rod & Spanner stained glass Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Love it, Larry! Dan D '76 B Driver '65 B Project Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: Larry Colen To: MG List Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 7:34 PM Subject: [Mgs] Rod & Spanner stained glass Back in college Paul Kile and I used to call our house the Rod & Spanner. We even had a crest for the house, which eventually being partial inspiration for the SOL crest. My girlfriend just commissioned someone to do the crest in stained glass. I'm quite stoked. Here's a picture: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8101962183/in/set-72157631803581942 >From the set: http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157631803581942/ -- Larry Colen lrc@red4est.com sent from i4est _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: Archive: Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 23 06:00:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F33B52D02FF for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 06:00:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from relay03.pair.com (relay03.pair.com [209.68.5.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E4CAA2D02D5 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 05:47:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 24579 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2012 11:48:04 -0000 Received: from 97.96.111.81 (HELO mullet) (97.96.111.81) by relay03.pair.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2012 11:48:04 -0000 From: "Stephen West-Fisher" To: "'MG List'" References: <50834EF6.4050806@stclegal.com> <00af01cdb0ae$a550dab0$eff29010$@us> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 07:47:27 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac2veNlJII99uFCdTc2Eg5uEBOUTjgBNGrvgABmPlaA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGA 180 out Distributor Mystery Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net You are probably correct in this application, but... I would not generalize this to all engines. I seem to recall something about the lobe timing being different on some engines, but I do not recall the application just now. It may have been high performance air cooled engines trying to control the heat so different timing per cylinder. -- Stephen West-Fisher N4IK -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Clayton Kirkwood Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 7:41 PM To: 'MG List' Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGA 180 out Distributor Mystery Correct me if I am wrong please, but it seems the only reason to set the distributor up "right" with the rotor pointing to the 1st cylinder (1 oclock) is so that everybody does it the same way and nobody gets confused like this. If the distributor is 180 degrees out, one only need change the wires around. In fact, you could technically put the distributor in in any orientation and as long as you get cyl 1 tdc on the compression stroke and turn the distributor body to line up the rotor with the cyl 1 ignition wire you would be ok. Of course, you may have problems with the vacuum advance alignment but that is a different story. I think it basically comes down to everybody agreeing to one convention like driving on the left side of the road is wrong:>) Clayton _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 23 06:45:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61FCC2D041C for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 06:45:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-da0-f41.google.com (mail-da0-f41.google.com [209.85.210.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D9D52D02A4 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 06:40:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-da0-f41.google.com with SMTP id i14so2040610dad.14 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 05:41:09 -0700 (PDT) h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=kIXJ25dET9rd8H6Z1XHQCHZei7+pql9FZ7Z+HGioyps=; b=MU2FKtP+N3dEcF+ztNk5WMv+2+FdPH+aUGzYeqr4KjF0BlINJsnmSTUKQiEbOsTFDl AozGvoMdD/XyRYhJzEs9gdFFzT7Zde5IhNHaTkt3ahcxY5C1Glc7ddLPdIQnfWCM2l4p X4z1a8pfji0uO7phjqdtMtJvferEzk2OHXuBxP/8zSS3fjB3wDLDEzgAEy2S+jQn9N8k 0eY0kTyBqvTMUxNW1e/bBFcMfKlqpwYSBxRt089vCtenLmG8s2ROIMfqKnXaRaoDlhx5 ngHl5IFetDW8oVyhz8zl3UXfi1aqYRCQ+QLZL4dZBnqRSnmRU+AIp1cABly5zfXG1Dxx eVaA== Received: by 10.68.229.194 with SMTP id ss2mr40167631pbc.17.1350996069022; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 05:41:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.11] (cpe-76-93-72-182.socal.res.rr.com. [76.93.72.182]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ni8sm7642513pbc.70.2012.10.23.05.41.06 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 23 Oct 2012 05:41:07 -0700 (PDT) References: <50834EF6.4050806@stclegal.com> <00af01cdb0ae$a550dab0$eff29010$@us> <012101cdb114$2d2d53e0$8787fba0$@com> From: Richard Ewald Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 05:41:03 -0700 To: Stephen West-Fisher Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGA 180 out Distributor Mystery Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Air cooled VWs had different timing on the #3 cylinder. The oil cooler sat on top of #3 so it naturally ran hotter. By playing with the cam and ignition timing they tried to get it to create less heat in that cylinder. This is why AC VWs have such an odd sounding idle. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 23, 2012, at 4:47, "Stephen West-Fisher" wrote: > You are probably correct in this application, but... > I would not generalize this to all engines. I seem to recall something about > the lobe timing being different on some engines, but I do not recall the > application just now. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 23 07:00:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C8C32D0326 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 07:00:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from relay00.pair.com (relay00.pair.com [209.68.5.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BD3A52D0211 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 06:52:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 55210 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2012 12:53:28 -0000 Received: from 97.96.111.81 (HELO mullet) (97.96.111.81) by relay00.pair.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2012 12:53:28 -0000 From: "Stephen West-Fisher" To: "'MG List'" References: <50834EF6.4050806@stclegal.com> <00af01cdb0ae$a550dab0$eff29010$@us> <012101cdb114$2d2d53e0$8787fba0$@com> <0B58AE60-5BD6-47B7-9A39-20E3D8919105@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 08:52:50 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac2xG62yE/wK29fQQQOIwve2cXrEsgAAONDw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGA 180 out Distributor Mystery Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I was thinking VW, but I haven't worked on aircooled VWs since the early '70s. One that would come in was a dragster, around 200 hp that didn't have anything installed if it didn't provide power. Including the cooling system. It only had to run for a minute or two at a time :-) -- Stephen West-Fisher N4IK -----Original Message----- From: Richard Ewald [mailto:richard.ewald@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 8:41 AM To: Stephen West-Fisher Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGA 180 out Distributor Mystery Air cooled VWs had different timing on the #3 cylinder. The oil cooler sat on top of #3 so it naturally ran hotter. By playing with the cam and ignition timing they tried to get it to create less heat in that cylinder. This is why AC VWs have such an odd sounding idle. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 23, 2012, at 4:47, "Stephen West-Fisher" wrote: > You are probably correct in this application, but... > I would not generalize this to all engines. I seem to recall something > about the lobe timing being different on some engines, but I do not > recall the application just now. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 24 12:42:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74B1B2D04FE for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 12:42:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from cpsmtpb-ews06.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpb-ews06.kpnxchange.com [213.75.39.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8B202D04B8; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 12:32:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpsps-ews11.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.178]) by cpsmtpb-ews06.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Wed, 24 Oct 2012 20:33:09 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT102.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.18]) by cpsps-ews11.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Wed, 24 Oct 2012 20:33:09 +0200 Received: from PolderPC ([77.171.11.159]) by CPSMTPM-CMT102.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Wed, 24 Oct 2012 20:33:22 +0200 From: "Hans Duinhoven" To: "'Barrie Robinson'" , , References: Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 20:33:25 +0200 Thread-Index: AQGIPKNunwRZMESxHrNBHZWeTOjvK5hTsqcg Content-Language: nl FILETIME=[0BF4F540:01CDB216] Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I wish I could rebuild a car a fast as this movie shows.... -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens Barrie Robinson Verzonden: woensdag 24 oktober 2012 18:04 Aan: mgb-v8@autox.team.net; mgs@autox.team.net Onderwerp: [Mgs] MGB >This great !! > >http://youtu.be/7OJe-eTH9NE Regards Barrie barrie@look.ca 705-721-9060 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 25 02:20:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D141F2D0305 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 02:20:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail.pure-chaos.com (ember.pure-chaos.com [66.18.15.62]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 844B42D036C for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 02:18:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.pure-chaos.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 725E586005 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 03:19:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.pure-chaos.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ember.pure-chaos.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DxOoqqAUhcKQ for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 03:19:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.168.5.50] (70-36-176-252.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [70.36.176.252]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: lrc.red4est) by mail.pure-chaos.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0C6BC86002 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 03:19:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Larry Colen Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 01:19:47 -0700 To: MG List Subject: [Mgs] Good news / Bad news Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Good news: http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157631848931452/ Jasmine's motor is in place. Bad news, the clutch doesn't seem to be connecting the transmission to the fly wheel. When it first went in, moving the car back and forth, in gear, would move the engine. But there was about a 1/2" gap between the engine and the transmission. I put bolts through the holes to cinch it down, and it closed the gap with little problem. Not loud sproings like I busted something, or anything like that. Maybe, if I can bleed the clutch lines, I can jiggle the throwout bearing and get things to pop into place. Even if not, there are a lot of basic "fitting things into place" tasks I can do. The headers are a bit long and tend to hang to low, with the motor in place like this I can take everything down to holiday muffler and see if they can modify the headers so that they work. There are also some questions about radiator placement, if I want to move it, ducting cool air to the carb and so forth, which I don't need the car running, but need the motor in place for. The transmission is a Ford 5-speed, if that matters. I did find the pilot bushing, or rather bushings. The aluminum piece and the bronze piece that goes inside of it and is an interference fit. -- Larry Colen lrc@red4est.com sent from i4est _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 25 06:26:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C0CC2D064E for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 06:26:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta53.windstream.net (pacmmta53.windstream.net [162.39.147.112]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C70272D0639 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 06:22:25 -0600 (MDT) cv=Lplskzh3ypXaum1JM3DXdqoBLQGa7EK56IX6hTi+Jyw= c=1 sm=0 a=FB6NmUnAAagA:10 a=9SsI4uNWot4A:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=LkbtXm7KAAAA:8 a=tMWPH-YGpCU5TURgv6MA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=1/fxYfUVyhaKi9AT96OOeA==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta53 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [72.172.25.63] ([72.172.25.63:61296] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta53 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id FF/4E-13446-04F29805; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 08:23:29 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 07:23:20 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 To: Larry Colen References: Cc: Mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Good news / Bad news Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net The bad news is that if opening the bleed valve on the slave cylinder doesn't let the throwout arm retract, the engine/gearbox probably need to come back out so that you can see why the clutch disengaged when you cinched the gearbox up to the engine. Has this engine/gearbox combo worked before? CR On 10/25/2012 3:19 AM, Larry Colen wrote: > Good news: > http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157631848931452/ > > Jasmine's motor is in place. > > Bad news, the clutch doesn't seem to be connecting the transmission to the fly > wheel. When it first went in, moving the car back and forth, in gear, would > move the engine. But there was about a 1/2" gap between the engine and the > transmission. I put bolts through the holes to cinch it down, and it closed > the gap with little problem. Not loud sproings like I busted something, or > anything like that. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 25 07:17:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7BBE2D0687 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 07:17:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E8362D065A for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 07:16:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vznit170176pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.3]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MCG009LLA9525A1@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for Mgs@autox.team.net; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 08:17:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 108.25.197.52 ([108.25.197.52]) by vznit170176 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 08:17:29 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 08:17:29 -0500 (CDT) From: grunt3333@verizon.net To: ccrobins@ktc.com, lrc@red4est.com Cc: Mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Good news / Bad news Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net /local/mailman/lynxXXXXGIwh3a: Permission denied _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 25 07:34:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12EC12D0539 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 07:34:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ea0-f169.google.com (mail-ea0-f169.google.com [209.85.215.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 276512D0468 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 07:33:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ea0-f169.google.com with SMTP id k11so627361eaa.14 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 06:34:48 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=4OQfmF/RfTBa/PjZe97Qo4oqfi7WXN+AOWuzQtalZaY=; b=H+pJdobsAu0omXUCRgKUT9oO3Jz9sWypJE9/+WcT4mTqEO+PzDeevSTgRskTjWYt64 vvENpEdMkkgPanJz75c8ZR89BTBsgRPSThlAyHrdavEwkyNjs4+3HzZN7Kg0mXvnezyf M7ETmG6Fj0xTPQ3J3PYgb0ZV/VrRn2JZo7v5gbsATCVo+TSjL+enwzq5xbIoS3C2ZSB4 Z8UJx2bcKdJC6KZDBKjv5foLASbMMCDH/QnFtqZkVSksZMo6gfJobyTLdewSit5JUdEC kSd824X8+sJxIWfkdO+zcg8o2o1HhjNtGh/COo0VTvjNP955P0De+gouha8LFNpR9G0b frTQ== Received: by 10.14.207.68 with SMTP id m44mr9972527eeo.40.1351172087987; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 06:34:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-3.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.105]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a44sm17250844eeo.7.2012.10.25.06.34.46 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 25 Oct 2012 06:34:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Larry Colen" , "MG List" References: Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 14:21:38 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Good news / Bad news Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Are you sure you don't have the friction plate the wrong way round? The wrong way it is the projecting centre and damper springs that rest on the flywheel, not the friction material. That also means the cover plate has to be bolted up quite a bit more that it should, which is normally about 1/4". You certainly shouldn't have to pull the engine and bellhousing together with bolts, and unless you do all of them together or nearly so you can damage things. That said I don't know about a non-standard gearbox. Air in the hydraulics won't prevent the rear wheels turning the engine - when it is in gear! - quite the opposite, you wouldn't be able to disengage the clutch when you push the pedal down. You should be able to move the release arm sticking out of the bell housing back and fore, with a little pressure if there is no air in the hydraulics as it is then pushing excess fluid back into the master (watch it doesn't overflow). It may be because the slave push-rod is too long for this gearbox, the piston has bottomed, which could explain why you had to pull the two halves together with bolts, also why the clutch is now disengaged. If you can't push the pushrod any further back into the cylinder, and the release arm has no free play or movement, that could well be the case. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Bad news, the clutch doesn't seem to be connecting the transmission to the > fly > wheel. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 25 12:23:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67EE52D05EB for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 12:23:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail.pure-chaos.com (ember.pure-chaos.com [66.18.15.62]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2208E2D03C0 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 12:19:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.pure-chaos.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0970C8601C for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 13:21:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.pure-chaos.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ember.pure-chaos.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G9k8bsRsB3f3 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 13:21:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.168.5.50] (70-36-176-252.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [70.36.176.252]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: lrc.red4est) by mail.pure-chaos.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 66CA286003 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 13:21:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Larry Colen Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 11:20:59 -0700 To: MG List Subject: [Mgs] Clutch problem solved Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Begin forwarded message: > From: Charley & Peggy Robinson > Date: October 25, 2012 5:23:20 AM PDT > To: Larry Colen > Cc: Mgs@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Good news / Bad news > Reply-To: ccrobins@ktc.com > > The bad news is that if opening the bleed valve on the slave cylinder doesn't let the throwout arm retract, the engine/gearbox probably need to come back out so that you can see why the clutch disengaged when you cinched the gearbox up to the engine. Has this engine/gearbox combo worked before? Yup, I put about 5,000 miles on it before having to take the motor apart. Even used the same pressure plate and disk. > > CR > > On 10/25/2012 3:19 AM, Larry Colen wrote: >> Good news: >> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157631848931452/ >> >> Jasmine's motor is in place. >> >> Bad news, the clutch doesn't seem to be connecting the transmission to the fly >> wheel. When it first went in, moving the car back and forth, in gear, would >> move the engine. But there was about a 1/2" gap between the engine and the >> transmission. I put bolts through the holes to cinch it down, and it closed >> the gap with little problem. Not loud sproings like I busted something, or >> anything like that. >> >> > > Begin forwarded message: > From: "PaulHunt73" > Date: October 25, 2012 6:21:38 AM PDT > To: "Larry Colen" , "MG List" > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Good news / Bad news > > Are you sure you don't have the friction plate the wrong way round? The wrong way it is the projecting centre and damper springs that rest on the flywheel, not the friction material. That also means the cover plate has to be bolted up quite a bit more that it should, which is normally about 1/4". Yes. I'm sure. > > You certainly shouldn't have to pull the engine and bellhousing together with bolts, and unless you do all of them together or nearly so you can damage things. That said I don't know about a non-standard gearbox. > > Air in the hydraulics won't prevent the rear wheels turning the engine - when it is in gear! - quite the opposite, you wouldn't be able to disengage the clutch when you push the pedal down. You should be able to move the release arm sticking out of the bell housing back and fore, with a little pressure if there is no air in the hydraulics as it is then pushing excess fluid back into the master (watch it doesn't overflow). > > It may be because the slave push-rod is too long for this gearbox, the piston has bottomed, which could explain why you had to pull the two halves together with bolts, also why the clutch is now disengaged. If you can't push the pushrod any further back into the cylinder, and the release arm has no free play or movement, that could well be the case. This was about the closest. The car sat for about 10 years, it seems that the slave extended a bit, went dry and rusted in place. I pulled the slave cylinder and everything popped into place and worked fine. This also explained why it felt like I was pulling the bellhousing and engine together against springs. -- Larry Colen lrc@red4est.com sent from i4est _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 25 16:02:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9BA82D05CB for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 16:02:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from rc4-smtp.comporium.net (rc4-smtp.comporium.net [208.104.2.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D49A12D0394 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 15:56:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rg25.comporium.net ([208.104.244.60]) by rc4-smtp.comporium.net ({f885e408-6373-4fe1-96b5-c2a14748506e}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20121025215756693 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 21:57:56 +0000 Received: from 208-104-160-118.rh4.cm.dyn.comporium.net (HELO OwnerPC) ([208.104.160.118]) by rg24.comporium.net (MOS 4.3.4-GA FastPath queued) with SMTP id LOJ43346; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 17:57:56 -0400 (EDT) From: "Tom Gunderson" To: "Mga List" Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 17:57:52 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] brake fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I have a 1957 MGA 1500 rst. I do not know what type of brake fluid that in in my car. How can I check it? Tom Gunderson _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 25 16:16:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57C672D066B for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 16:16:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 392AC2D05CB for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 16:16:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-72.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.72]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q9PMHALO020397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 15:17:12 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.34.0.120813 Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 15:17:05 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] brake fluid Thread-Index: Ac2y/nbobA2jVdbFZUuNNB4UJyxWhw== Subject: Re: [Mgs] brake fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net If you mean, is it glycol-based or silicone-based, I suppose you could remove a sample, place it in a glass container, and drip some water into it. If it is absorbed (if it mixes in when you stir it), it is glycol. If it does the oil-and-water thing and refuses to mix, it is silicone. Be aware I am proposing this out of my knowledge of chemical principles -- I have never tried it with an actual sample. I can't think of any way of distinguishing between DOT 3 and DOT 4 glycol fluid, but it wouldn't really matter, if you just flushed and refilled. on 10/25/12 2:57 PM, Tom Gunderson at thgun@comporium.net wrote: > I have a 1957 MGA 1500 rst. I do not know what type of brake fluid that in in > my car. How can I check it? > Tom Gunderson -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 25 16:31:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E713E2D064B for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 16:31:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from rc2-smtp.comporium.net (rc2-smtp.comporium.net [208.104.2.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 178BF2D060F for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 16:26:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rg25.comporium.net ([208.104.244.60]) by rc2-smtp.comporium.net ({44220f39-1a1f-4b8b-8e3d-7d4391b51326}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20121025222749462 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 22:27:49 +0000 Received: from 208-104-160-118.rh4.cm.dyn.comporium.net (HELO OwnerPC) ([208.104.160.118]) by rg24.comporium.net (MOS 4.3.4-GA FastPath queued) with SMTP id LOJ50687; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 18:27:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "Tom Gunderson" To: "Mga List" Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 18:27:44 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] slipping cluch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net The reason I want to know about my brake fluid is the master cylinder is low and I need to put fluid in. Also after I drive the car for about 15 or 20 minutes the cluch seems to be slipping. I was wondering if low fluid level could cause this. Maybe having lower preasure in the cluch line. Tom _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 25 16:35:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D56322D06E3 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 16:35:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f169.google.com (mail-ie0-f169.google.com [209.85.223.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE5412D05D7 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 16:35:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f169.google.com with SMTP id 10so3751672ied.14 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 15:36:49 -0700 (PDT) h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=sKL2sFBDbOq+JaIISqo0T+3OOm41k15b3+qXg6YwTY4=; b=EcU8a2WZyADfO/tzfu5T+6Q/uPeC5Zgby4bAu/xs5L89F14YGr3h6GkOxbysWI6+qE zdxw/MTSldIgHBeqHUngiWj/gw6opE/y2OUJ2QtCj+AT+bRTlpCh5DhUv6z/3wgIUbS7 +quNFKvxu2et+0JfkNfNV1hDD4KxjDoid0l+LgkuHzJR+FudSJYpATFXRVk4iLs0qZqT G+YWsRr8vf7jLhLRQmLAbfxgu4ZcTFUew+x0c9EH6hznN+2GCt5PCmGEdDUiI6vGPBsT BMCOT9tlWQW/ueLa5jJ1zMvI2m8HAfWhN4GZxAWkL7Ux/PtydbLtj0Oy0/dxSpRglYEZ QXAw== Received: by 10.50.5.177 with SMTP id t17mr211673igt.48.1351204609047; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 15:36:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.130.8.165] ([207.229.236.209]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ez8sm5664180igb.17.2012.10.25.15.36.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 25 Oct 2012 15:36:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Root Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 17:36:45 -0500 References: To: "Tom Gunderson" Cc: Mga List Subject: Re: [Mgs] slipping cluch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Slipping would not be caused by low fluid. Unless the fluid is low because it leaked into the clutch and soaked the disc. On Oct 25, 2012, at 5:27 PM, Tom Gunderson wrote: > The reason I want to know about my brake fluid is the master cylinder is low > and I need to put fluid in. Also after I drive the car for about 15 or 20 > minutes the cluch seems to be slipping. I was wondering if low fluid level > could cause this. Maybe having lower preasure in the cluch line. > Tom > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ptrmgb@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 25 17:02:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B18E82D0639 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 17:02:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AD3802D05BF for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 16:57:16 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1351205899; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=RBCGQ06930ZWNeICg9j8AStrGtSkzgYRWhzsBUqJck+8gSTIpekpW1OSlwqOJA2RD SGz+41OYs3XwAFtdXoc3MbI8A/gJFW3Jaije9u993C3puiMVSF5GGQ8AM0klIEIXVQ i9EWs29uIzydDYB9gKwCefgKwUBKg3DkHzQQLLrM= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta01.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.101]) by smtpout03.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABJJVS9JAZFA5S2 for (sender ); Thu, 25 Oct 2012 15:57:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [108.88.216.197] by webmail-beta01.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 22:56:31 GMT From: "mgbob@juno.com" Full-Name: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 22:56:31 GMT To: thgun@comporium.net Cc: Mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] slipping cluch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tom, Loss of fluid from the clutch hydraulic system is unlikely to be the cause of a slipping clutch. All the plumbing is exterior to the clutch friction surfaces. To check for leaks at the slave cylinder, peel back the rubber dust boot. If fluid drips, you have found the leak. A slipping clutch, if caused by fluid leaking, is most likely to be oil from rear main seal of the engine. Check that a split pin is loose in the hole at the bottom of the clutch housing, so that oil inside can drip out. Another possibility is that the hose has started to deteriorate inside, having formed a one way flapper valve from a bit of loose inner liner. Test for this is to see if slipping occurs right after gear change and does not happen with full throttle a few seconds after the gear change. The time has allowed fluid to get past the flapper valve and for the clutch to fully engage. A slipping clutch may, alas, be worn out also. Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Tom Gunderson" To: "Mga List" Subject: [Mgs] slipping cluch Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 18:27:44 -0400 The reason I want to know about my brake fluid is the master cylinder is low and I need to put fluid in. Also after I drive the car for about 15 or 20 minutes the cluch seems to be slipping. I was wondering if low fluid level could cause this. Maybe having lower preasure in the cluch line. Tom _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbob@juno.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 25 17:33:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E6AB2D0646 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 17:33:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from rc3-smtp.comporium.net (rc3-smtp.comporium.net [208.104.2.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C59382D05D7 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 17:27:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rg25.comporium.net ([208.104.244.60]) by rc3-smtp.comporium.net ({885c17cc-cff6-4d92-8caa-cc0fa3baf93b}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20121025232830056 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 23:28:30 +0000 Received: from 208-104-160-118.rh4.cm.dyn.comporium.net (HELO OwnerPC) ([208.104.160.118]) by rg24.comporium.net (MOS 4.3.4-GA FastPath queued) with SMTP id LOJ63194; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 19:28:29 -0400 (EDT) From: "Tom Gunderson" To: "Mga List" Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 19:28:25 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] slipping cluch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Where can I find info to replace the cluch? 1957 MGA 1500 rst. Also I see that my ignition lamp in the speedometer stays on and battery is low. This car sits alot in the garage. Tom Gunderson _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 25 17:50:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C23EE2D065E for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 17:50:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B0ACF2C07FA for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 17:50:03 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1351209067; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=FCZnS9bsTVNpe+S9q5FZ9pkw2Wvvp/FHX3mZtKqRGrLmie7ZEeG0dL4zN/4hPFmU2 kZR4o193oi32y20ZiSCgOpuUcH4y3KitFR6A5vCCcDCIPT+FdkUYt1k1+8EszuesMC 7iqcW0hsGm69NkMqK6pYGRQ3MZSixXbpy+iAndIs= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.103]) by smtpout02.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABJJVWCJA4LASVS for (sender ); Thu, 25 Oct 2012 16:50:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [108.88.216.197] by webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 23:49:21 GMT From: "mgbob@juno.com" Full-Name: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 23:49:21 GMT To: thgun@comporium.net Cc: Mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] slipping cluch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Workshop manual is a good place to start. Clutch replacement I pretty straightforward. Replace the entire assembly, and throw out bearing, and the hose, and rebuild slave cylinder. It's all accessible, ans engine, clutch and gearbox come out together. Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Tom Gunderson" To: "Mga List" Subject: [Mgs] slipping cluch Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 19:28:25 -0400 Where can I find info to replace the cluch? 1957 MGA 1500 rst. Also I see that my ignition lamp in the speedometer stays on and battery is low. This car sits alot in the garage. Tom Gunderson _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbob@juno.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 25 19:57:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBBF62D065E for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 19:57:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta52.windstream.net (pacmmta52.windstream.net [162.39.147.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D9F52D062A for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 19:55:41 -0600 (MDT) cv=qLnK0TQP0Sjj11iwkjRg0C1b6gmN2kBD+4eP4Y8vpSE= c=1 sm=0 a=FB6NmUnAAagA:10 a=W5u2Vk24TyIA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=Gjl9KL2G3SFYQi-ZHdgA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=1/fxYfUVyhaKi9AT96OOeA==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta52 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [72.172.25.63] ([72.172.25.63:61939] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta52 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id 83/0B-18014-DDDE9805; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 21:56:46 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 20:56:36 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 To: Larry Colen References: Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Clutch problem solved Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Are you saying that you took this engine and gearbox out of a car they had been running in and put them into another that had been sitting for 10 years and you used the clutch slave cylinder from the car that had been sitting for 10 years without inspecting it? Good grief! CR _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 25 20:10:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CD0A2D0690 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 20:10:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nlpi162.prodigy.net (nlpi162.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.36.34]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F3282D0644 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 20:05:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from barney-gaylord.mgaguru.com (adsl-99-141-142-32.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net [99.141.142.32]) (authenticated bits=0) by nlpi162.prodigy.net (8.14.4 smptauth/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q9Q264eO011626; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 21:06:04 -0500 Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 21:06:07 -0500 To: "Tom Gunderson" , "Mga List" From: Barney Gaylord References: Subject: Re: [Mgs] slipping cluch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Low brake fluid will not cause slippage. There is no way for fluid to get from a leaky slave cylinder into the clutch friction disc space inside the bellhousing. If fluid in the master cylinder goes low enough to introduce air in the pipe, then the clutch will not release. Worn out friction disc can cause slipping. Oil on the friction disc can cause slipping. Oil can come from leaking engine rear scroll seal or from leaking gearbox front scroll seal (or rubber seal on later models). Since the gearbox uses engine oil, and it drips from the same point on bottom of bellhousing, it may be difficult to tell where the oil originates (unless you use different color oil in the gearbox). Barney Gaylord 1958 MGA with an attitude http://MGAguru.com At 06:27 PM 10/25/2012 -0400, Tom Gunderson wrote: >The reason I want to know about my brake fluid is the master >cylinder is low and I need to put fluid in. Also after I drive the >car for about 15 or 20 minutes the cluch seems to be slipping. I was >wondering if low fluid level could cause this. Maybe having lower >preasure in the cluch line. >.... _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 25 22:30:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 742552D0660 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 22:30:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail.db3net.net (mail.db3net.net [209.225.111.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E031B2D064E for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 22:25:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wm.wi.net (wm.evwi.net [209.225.111.205]) by mail.db3net.net (db3broadband.com) with ESMTP id D3BD111FB8C for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 23:08:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 173.110.4.227 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dwoerpel) by wm.wi.net with HTTP; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 23:26:53 -0500 (CDT) References: Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 23:26:53 -0500 (CDT) From: dwoerpel@wi.net Cc: "MG List" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.13 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Good news / Bad news Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Looks very nice Larry. Listers: I have a Bugeye and an MGA 1500 and my firing order is 1-3-4-2 and I believe the MGB is also. Your distributor orientation looks correct (vacuum advance in the 10 o'clock position) but your plug leads don't look correct. I think the #1 wire should be in the 1 o'clock position on the distributor then going counter-clockwise, the #3 wire, then #4, then #2. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe your distributor drive is 180* out?? Just something in the picture didn't look right and trying to save you some trouble. Anybody else?? Just butting in.... Dave W. > Good news: > http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157631848931452/ > > Jasmine's motor is in place. > > Bad news, the clutch doesn't seem to be connecting the transmission to the > fly _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 25 23:04:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3384F2D06A1 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 23:04:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9AB052D063E for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 23:03:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 396 invoked by uid 0); 26 Oct 2012 05:05:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box609.bluehost.com) (70.40.220.109) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2012 05:05:03 -0000 d=justbrits.com; s=default; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=TtCxUvcFcsDE36TMeVlsnWxg3Z5Cfx6HzG5apvp55jg=; b=gmbk1N3NerccYQOSgtY8nVlNHzH9uMnFM8J7irO0NNLOtP/vSgQhsutBzKtgtStfCVgoVWcIfx2nmv/fhZpNy2GVb5WnBUot/asbXC6vWMj/9kRHPCC5ouoS6g9aKC6Y; Received: from [24.15.13.164] (port=36955 helo=[192.168.0.106]) by box609.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TRc6Q-00089T-Ra for mgs@autox.team.net; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 23:05:03 -0600 Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 00:05:01 -0500 From: "\" Just Brits \" Shop" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121010 Thunderbird/16.0.1 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <49875.173.110.4.227.1351225613.squirrel@wm.wi.net> {sentby:smtp auth 24.15.13.164 authed with sales@justbrits.com} Subject: Re: [Mgs] Good news / Bad news Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net << On 10/25/2012 11:26 PM, dwoerpel@wi.net wrote: .......but your plug leads don't look correct. I think the #1 wire should be in the 1 o'clock position on the distributor then going counter-clockwise, the #3 wire, then #4, then #2. >> Unless my eyes are SO shot from looking at a BMC Parts Catalogue with it's -10 point font print, all but # 3 are wrong, Dave ! ! ! The way I see it (counter-clockwise): Dist. # 1 goes to Plug # 2 Dist. # 4 goes to Plug # 1 Dist. # 3 goes to Plug # 3 Dist. # 2 goes to Plug # 4 BUT, dizzy DOES look incorrectly 'positioned' ! ! ! Larry, Dave is correct in that #1 wire (cap) should be at 1:00 o'clock ! ! Yours looks to be at close to 3:00 o'clock ? ! ? HOW did you put the dizzy "drive shaft" in ????????? Have you turned to motor since you FIRST installed timing chain (with dots aligned)??? GREAT lookin' job ! ! ! Question: Can't tell for SURE, but are there rubber 'o' rings under cyl. head nuts as visible in last picture ?? I tried to enlarge, but............ ! ! Ed Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 26 02:20:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4EF02D0662 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 02:20:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ea0-f169.google.com (mail-ea0-f169.google.com [209.85.215.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51BDC2D0630 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 02:12:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ea0-f169.google.com with SMTP id k11so905498eaa.14 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 01:13:26 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=lm4KS6eebXwF/tiBckz7i97HMLrJnfiHVj5Nb9sy25M=; b=HZEQA7Gl4GhKr2iezL+C/PB/e51nKwxfKEAHqDVuHTnkUPhm8MBnGEXo0yO00GpYV6 wOrOVZ6zi2cS42OMiQl28obx13Jv7VZyg19K4B9/JD5iIheveJFM1y5s4fl9iLIzGjIF M1/kfKUfhWmQBitd80xr6zc2NE6wlVQQ9S+BryDw1kXuNYWMNbIsSS0erXv+MciECqiG Vbhs0LR5Z7equ+v02Z1pH8BdA9he/NdZJti1MDwTv70eztH4KQbn4QaddCpUWMCraguT 3mxur91TfOQPGfg2cYgF9zIo2ZboohgS6MzAjcD91lOefPLyKrjlBJF0eX5+gOFqu7uo sI6g== Received: by 10.14.203.65 with SMTP id e41mr30288920eeo.34.1351239206246; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 01:13:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-3.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.105]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k2sm1205278eep.15.2012.10.26.01.13.24 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 26 Oct 2012 01:13:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Larry Colen" , "MG List" References: Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 08:44:53 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Clutch problem solved Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Good to hear. That was well rusted! ----- Original Message ----- > This was about the closest. The car sat for about 10 years, it seems that > the > slave extended a bit, went dry and rusted in place. I pulled the slave > cylinder and everything popped into place and worked fine. This also > explained why it felt like I was pulling the bellhousing and engine > together > against springs. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 26 02:42:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 117D22D0699 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 02:42:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ea0-f169.google.com (mail-ea0-f169.google.com [209.85.215.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C1DE2D0646 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 02:42:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ea0-f169.google.com with SMTP id k11so916804eaa.14 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 01:43:40 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=AdqklR5FpxIM07gBevF9c+Wzc9UlWXkHO/I9VSqRhNw=; b=Q2G68shC/zZuBp7AEqyiadbY7Np4OrjgT8sNE05RToTERxR4WQ9694NjXvsQfGHHIa 2Vx1flMgVBe5s3Sf3ovfQ1EaOgow8oviUzNFMo91bZfNfCO2RNjUvJ7Hs9DKA9+/EATS spA3Q8IVQun+sSCgr6gQ+6tdYx0l8487PO9pLTmJIOEKbhIPEFKr2Dob2IxziuIzQGAg TvJFhqjizlL5TVRGw3wMpZvsxwvQ3FCqGzT+QcKve2PBlo1JmNmGz660cnEKmBt9wAu5 H/nI7+TEQpxOb2ZwyLKY01VGMYzC3r8ZZxWNjXFIR41uzqtD4m77A9ah+8CKSEnpOX1z WPkw== Received: by 10.14.178.195 with SMTP id f43mr30508700eem.44.1351241020423; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 01:43:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-3.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.105]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 42sm1351335eee.0.2012.10.26.01.43.37 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 26 Oct 2012 01:43:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Tom Gunderson" , "Mga List" References: Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 09:13:53 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] slipping cluch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net There is no pressure in the hydraulics when the clutch pedal is released. However if anything *were* causing there to be pressure, then the clutch could slip. Like brakes, the flex hose could be delaminating internally and acting as a one-way valve, holding pressure after the pedal is released. If you pump the clutch with the engine hot, then open the bleed valve and get a spurt of fluid, then that is the likely cause. OTOH it could simply be a worn clutch, which is also accompanied by a high biting point. Slipping is usually evident on hard acceleration in 4th gear first, becoming more noticeable on lesser acceleration and lower gears as it wears more. In my experience oil on the clutch cause grabbing, not slipping. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > ... Also after I drive the car for about 15 or 20 > minutes the cluch seems to be slipping. I was wondering if low fluid level > could cause this. Maybe having lower preasure in the cluch line. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 26 02:43:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 185DF2D073C for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 02:43:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD54E2D0646 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 02:42:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ee0-f41.google.com with SMTP id c4so1110940eek.14 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 01:43:41 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=xSyiRcgLlw0D4wsbFElWFgPLAlUUKrK7XcfpO7cHd/Q=; b=RY9tZM9DSXEF6mN8d/NOWtDpvqEMDIV41Dcbr53e9PmVrzbAVOVsh1Yynutce3RIBs p+cg2Sp1ybqRNgOM9OdrDQtSlYi9zC7W0YMdyWZNRrJtPsyQ1MeLpopb6SIoYFWSW+6E q4ZBBj6kOu4ZE5+TWfAZjt9xFpodfyuuHOb9GHFiY8JRKughOuPmtyCslNHQOaU4dhLz cgghpttY79IiP5O2bkpv48ZZE7wZ6VEry+Hd22OIfALTr0YEFbwO3/C1cCxrOMhiTbEO YIqO8AOa2EHeontyW+1xB5XPmkZYFcY3cKxiuJ3x6HBu9AR5GLbaxFkBbZfBsO6h3lwJ H1bw== Received: by 10.14.182.9 with SMTP id n9mr30415303eem.24.1351241021747; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 01:43:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-3.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.105]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 42sm1351335eee.0.2012.10.26.01.43.40 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 26 Oct 2012 01:43:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Max Heim" , "MG List" References: Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 09:41:07 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] brake fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net DOT3, 4 and 5.1 aka Super DOT4 are all glycol based and hence compatible, so you can just flush the old out when filling with the new. DOT5 is the odd one out being silicone and the two types must not be mixed, switching between these is not a trivial task. I've never been able to understand why a development of glycol was given the designation DOT5.1, implying it was a development of silicone, and not DOT6. Water mixes pretty-well instantly with glycol based, never had silicone to try. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > I can't think of any way of distinguishing between DOT 3 and DOT 4 glycol > fluid, but it wouldn't really matter, if you just flushed and refilled. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 26 09:36:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0882A2D0625 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 09:36:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6607C2D066D for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 09:31:54 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1351265577; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=nYYrHY+C0AoQrj6Nl0zICff+Szi/9/2+IANT26BbJQ0AUatgAVCde6iknHgamkZu7 SwKj3UJSpcEjsIrk91qyTkXFrvYuoooJHNu99K0rmfg33oMIv8qROLygTfm9F9QYir xpzD6+cW8rP0ZRr9OCYVNY0vTv0rrQJOFnBstQvE= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.103]) by smtpout04.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABJJXMHWA2HQRRJ for (sender ); Fri, 26 Oct 2012 08:32:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [108.88.216.197] by webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 15:31:53 GMT From: "mgbob@juno.com" Full-Name: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 15:31:53 GMT To: paulhunt73@virginmedia.com Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] brake fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Silicone separates quite visibly. Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Max Heim" , "MG List" Subject: Re: [Mgs] brake fluid Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 09:41:07 +0100 DOT3, 4 and 5.1 aka Super DOT4 are all glycol based and hence compatible, so you can just flush the old out when filling with the new. DOT5 is the odd one out being silicone and the two types must not be mixed, switching between these is not a trivial task. I've never been able to understand why a development of glycol was given the designation DOT5.1, implying it was a development of silicone, and not DOT6. Water mixes pretty-well instantly with glycol based, never had silicone to try. PaulH. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 26 10:06:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 969E62D0703 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 10:06:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm7-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm7-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.192]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC4D82D03C0 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 10:02:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.66] by nm7.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2012 16:03:23 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.36] by tm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2012 16:03:22 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1036.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2012 16:03:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 79824 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Oct 2012 16:03:22 -0000 s=s1024; t=1351267402; bh=/w1leyoEcVyeqy2s10bQGX9CWR/sjCDCPGikaO7P1W0=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=pzKSlc3q4wCwi/8EZfeQs136ggPjnh2r17P29GoQDdMugd2ADUAwbXlvgdMeW6QmZDOwUoT7zkRCuD96OKNbnFrTR3/SujRa0QjpaPoUvOZ3ZunEmf2skkv+oZh8C2AKXGXvJLiv/LorcRDdgIRdHTq6ahh1VrUcMkYrpLUyBwE= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=boxTDknGDvi65ec6nWETErnSKR4JEeelJBsKC1QUqR4pJFaugE8YTE6R1UL1hHpQqNpMAkQFX8km5NCkyBxpd+G4UO1iwb5X51spgvDKcGXqW078Nn1XqNnT2X7PSqaE0hNnK5O9gQuNDEM6z+0TSCM4olj2lDPCuuDNppinafA=; b7O3BNn3ukHGExU1Sb3FW22yOFqnHSVvfOcK91UVrxhtAfv_fbQKXI2RJYXc fjyS3qZ76qnG164iFklspG53aHTi_shoTx4Hc.3htyJGpNM_ipuqGWNv5bMT ajMMRBL6mhHDCrUlrx_PNKwqmy_mtTizVsOomK4QkAY9ncNn.OMXqRRvraJj 1Pyd9n73Qpk0SrqYOfQ1misBTKL0q6VC8S5grkrJpsW3Q0PqhrW3iWDsuFq4 luVIC97nkl_Uk0.2n9XwmC4qgEC.TO_jmT4zLlDHaVrNTAB1HHmYVB_IwU4z .fMzNIjs8IshlBPWuTac2xQ0weqvE1WER_84ALb77qG3Xq3RdcQPkclZDvkb 6JGLNqd5yJsanjbV8YKR0E16KTmZt8TuXZy9By6Tr60qQ27H5GhkpxyWHf6e LsAhrFi.TfZk33niIzIqiINrzV5TGpsfK2D_zjGoj9pMy11RmclCkyM4- Received: from [170.35.224.63] by web163902.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 09:03:21 PDT Ci0tLSBPbiBUaHUsIDEwLzI1LzEyLCBNYXggSGVpbSA8bXZoZWltQHNvbmljLm5ldD4gd3JvdGU6Cgo.IElmIGl0IGlzIGFic29yYmVkIChpZiBpdCBtaXhlcyBpbiB3aGVuIHlvdSBzdGlyIGl0KSwgaXQgaXMKPiBnbHljb2wuIElmIGl0Cj4gZG9lcyB0aGUgb2lsLWFuZC13YXRlciB0aGluZyBhbmQgcmVmdXNlcyB0byBtaXgsIGl0IGlzCj4gc2lsaWNvbmUuCj4gCj4gQmUgYXdhcmUgSSBhbSBwcm9wb3NpbmcgdGhpcyBvdXQgb2YgbXkga25vd2xlZGdlIG9mIGNoZW1pY2FsCj4gcHJpbmNpcGxlcyAtLSBJCj4BMAEBAQE- Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 09:03:21 -0700 (PDT) From: David Breneman To: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] brake fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --- On Thu, 10/25/12, Max Heim wrote: > If it is absorbed (if it mixes in when you stir it), it is > glycol. If it > does the oil-and-water thing and refuses to mix, it is > silicone. > > Be aware I am proposing this out of my knowledge of chemical > principles -- I > have never tried it with an actual sample. While we're on the subject of brake fluid, what ever happened to Girling brake fluid, anyway? Why was it pulled from the market? Was it found to cause cancer when given intravenously to adolescent manatees or something? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 26 17:50:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7D732D0683 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 17:50:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp172.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp172.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF5782D06E6 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 17:46:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp47.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id AD4023A83EC for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 19:47:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp47.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: don-AT-napanet.net) with ESMTPSA id 1D2423A84AC for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 19:47:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 16:47:04 -0700 To: Mgs@autox.team.net From: Don References: Subject: [Mgs] slipping cluch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Oil on the clutch always caused slipping in my experience. Back when I was a young guy and my MGA had this problem, learned how to remove its engine because of this issue. Once the disc has oil on it, it's not gonna work properly, will slip especially when in high gear and you step on the accelerator. At 01:13 AM 10/26/2012, PaulHunt73 wrote: >There is no pressure in the hydraulics when the clutch pedal is >released. However if anything *were* causing there to be pressure, >then the clutch could slip. Like brakes, the flex hose could be >delaminating internally and acting as a one-way valve, holding >pressure after the pedal is released. If you pump the clutch with >the engine hot, then open the bleed valve and get a spurt of fluid, >then that is the likely cause. OTOH it could simply be a worn >clutch, which is also accompanied by a high biting point. Slipping >is usually evident on hard acceleration in 4th gear first, becoming >more noticeable on lesser acceleration and lower gears as it wears >more. In my experience oil on the clutch cause grabbing, not slipping. > >PaulH. > >----- Original Message ----- >>... Also after I drive the car for about 15 or 20 >>minutes the cluch seems to be slipping. I was wondering if low fluid level >>could cause this. Maybe having lower preasure in the cluch line. >_______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 27 02:22:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D1D72D0791 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2012 02:22:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f51.google.com (mail-wg0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4029D2D0759 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2012 02:20:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f51.google.com with SMTP id ed3so1948350wgb.20 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2012 01:22:00 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=26LcLSr6Rk3mbXsMpHM3LYcdKBEuR8qNVN6prrCeMyI=; b=EjKZM6dGUPtGxrlStl2/v3OaM/ScMtQoAAGAd3R70e2CGS6jL0Hn5u70Hz3qKdqoaE k/efuoONx1sEFUOVowkrLk0n3ZJYAOMEm0POXE+zFiZF3fbaRTDXUzyEyREuhQNHEBiF yXcxzjo7CbTLzwArJf99+U/UJwJql0z07KQo1d8pCTAl4Cwv0fYLWHJEEet5K+hvQQ9+ oWD/UGolm5wJ6i9aXNUR5aTsKz/LXTNpRKqMEPPrNmpRw3S+KKcF6MV5lKy9sb52NiZ+ 41Bjsx486Ge79EeRROumMFfEqgltOqT3c7eAQj2b8Kp4kbV0rV8hSSAe95Q9+7Upi4Oy ABog== Received: by 10.216.212.225 with SMTP id y75mr14146797weo.39.1351326120781; Sat, 27 Oct 2012 01:22:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-3.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.105]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p4sm1632107wix.0.2012.10.27.01.21.59 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 27 Oct 2012 01:22:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "David Breneman" , "MG List" References: <1351267401.77462.YahooMailClassic@web163902.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 09:05:11 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] brake fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Possibly better known under the Lucas name today - yes, Lucas brakes ... ----- Original Message ----- > While we're on the subject of brake fluid, what ever > happened to Girling brake fluid, anyway? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 27 05:18:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8831D2D07BA for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2012 05:18:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from rc2-smtp.comporium.net (rc2-smtp.comporium.net [208.104.2.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37CBA2D0789 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2012 05:18:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rg25.comporium.net ([208.104.244.60]) by rc2-smtp.comporium.net ({44220f39-1a1f-4b8b-8e3d-7d4391b51326}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20121027111924615 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2012 11:19:24 +0000 Received: from 208-104-160-118.rh4.cm.dyn.comporium.net (HELO OwnerPC) ([208.104.160.118]) by rg24.comporium.net (MOS 4.3.4-GA FastPath queued) with SMTP id LON04653; Sat, 27 Oct 2012 07:19:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "Tom Gunderson" To: "Mga List" Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 07:19:12 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] gen to alt Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net If I find that my generator is not working should I go to an alternator? 1957 MGA 1500 Tom _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 27 09:06:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 692B82D0795 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2012 09:06:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f173.google.com (mail-wi0-f173.google.com [209.85.212.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FF502D05CC for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2012 09:00:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f173.google.com with SMTP id hm4so921655wib.2 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2012 08:01:27 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=GAJyx21WBYsq+fnAU3tqrHkYvQovN1Chhenst3Lg/4U=; b=iWGPv86j1rR9XsNNdsA3NLIkrlw7rsWc/z0BkkRa/YyouZrqAVOOpuEhA2HSVbfncL qkCSpL9G+V9kBwuEQXL5SDyGM5rVnSgOa8FnG8Zpxn0uBrYgsDTRsf18+RTTIbnl6Xrp R/OWGh/BSxRioGxXydfRtjz7heDYQvWjje21DvVSCHLwR4kKKhTmFgyhd0khVs07EsXx 5jMJZIroO75UjA4sVzAF1KyT9nwOGwB/caXHK/hpT4HL4tBqXV783qeBtwXsoIedOgDz YCdDGrstHxBGfTOvO7AzscyTSSdwdXNU04NLvSmTMQuyPJcMyajWgVnRuRBI2sT193r0 Yl/Q== Received: by 10.216.27.84 with SMTP id d62mr13951272wea.3.1351350087552; Sat, 27 Oct 2012 08:01:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-3.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.105]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id dm3sm2973082wib.3.2012.10.27.08.01.25 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 27 Oct 2012 08:01:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Tom Gunderson" , "Mga List" References: <03D8BF37B2A9499BBCA32958B54DDC30@OwnerPC> Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 15:40:41 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] gen to alt Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Depends how original you want it to be, and whether the output of the dynamo is sufficient for your usage. These cars ran perfectly well for many years, and many still do, on dynamos, alternators were required for the higher loads of more modern cars. A similar question is often asked of MGBs, and that is "should I uprate my alternator?", and the answer is just the same. I've never had a problem with the factory-rated alts on either of mine. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > If I find that my generator is not working should I go to an alternator? > 1957 MGA 1500 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 27 09:06:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D52912D0816 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2012 09:06:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nlpi176.prodigy.net (nlpi176.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.36.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 419152D06DC for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2012 09:03:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from barney-gaylord.mgaguru.com (adsl-75-5-75-90.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net [75.5.75.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by nlpi176.prodigy.net (8.14.4 smptauth/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q9RF4qm5024044; Sat, 27 Oct 2012 10:04:54 -0500 Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 10:04:54 -0500 To: "Tom Gunderson" , "Mga List" From: Barney Gaylord References: <03D8BF37B2A9499BBCA32958B54DDC30@OwnerPC> Subject: Re: [Mgs] gen to alt Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Generator is often cheap and easy to repair, commonly only needs brushes. However, if the generator is melted inside due to a failed control box, that would be a good time to consider the alternator conversion. In recent years replacement control boxes have been notoriously unreliable. When a regulator relay fails, the bad $40 control box takes out a good $100 generaor along with it. Barney Gaylord 1958 MGA with an attitude http://MGAguru.com At 07:19 AM 10/27/2012 -0400, Tom Gunderson wrote: >If I find that my generator is not working should I go to an alternator? >1957 MGA 1500 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 27 11:47:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 284932D079E for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2012 11:47:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy9.bluehost.com (oproxy9.bluehost.com [69.89.24.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 886292D06E6 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2012 11:46:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 24861 invoked by uid 0); 27 Oct 2012 17:48:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box609.bluehost.com) (70.40.220.109) by oproxy9.bluehost.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2012 17:48:02 -0000 d=justbrits.com; s=default; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=5P+3uHlsuQp7SfDoGVcuA7FdHymAIzoty+yhqoViFIw=; b=F2QSSmptMMfohuzcQSJ5GFio+/dN6TANGEg+gxdFHdGWCh1Lx/Qn88kK2IRJv+QwmzdWIwM05KIxCf4KmPAVU8vGeFQvhHulAviM0q8o1qzLjF4rgisN2JbLj1Z5DpMl; Received: from [24.15.13.164] (port=38430 helo=[192.168.0.106]) by box609.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TSAUM-0006b2-Jx; Sat, 27 Oct 2012 11:48:02 -0600 Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 12:48:02 -0500 From: "\" Just Brits \" Shop" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121010 Thunderbird/16.0.1 To: 4 - Spridgets , 4 - MidgetSprite - POS yahoo , 4 - MGs , 4 - MG Ts References: {sentby:smtp auth 24.15.13.164 authed with sales@justbrits.com} Subject: [Mgs] Fwd: [.H.ealeys] No Healey content but absolutely BRILLIANT. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net WOW ! ! ! There are several others on same page worth watching if you like "Warbirds" ! ! -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Healeys] No Healey content but absolutely BRILLIANT. Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 12:18:50 -0400 From: Michael Salter To: healeys@autox.team.net Amazing what the combination of American financing and Kiwi ingenuity can achieve. Turn up the sound and enjoy those Merlins!! http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/warbird-flies-again-video-5108120 -- Michael Salter *I have BJ8 water pump kits!!* _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 27 18:30:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5325E2D038A for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2012 18:30:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from rc3-smtp.comporium.net (rc3-smtp.comporium.net [208.104.2.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D2642D02D6 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2012 18:30:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rg25.comporium.net ([208.104.244.60]) by rc3-smtp.comporium.net ({885c17cc-cff6-4d92-8caa-cc0fa3baf93b}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20121028003140043 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 00:31:40 +0000 Received: from 208-104-160-118.rh4.cm.dyn.comporium.net (HELO OwnerPC) ([208.104.160.118]) by rg24.comporium.net (MOS 4.3.4-GA FastPath queued) with SMTP id LOO45324; Sat, 27 Oct 2012 20:31:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Tom Gunderson" To: "Mga List" Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 20:31:25 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] GEN rebuild Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Do I need to remove the radiator to remove the gen? It is very hard to get your hand and wrench to the lower front bolt on the gen. 1957 mga 1500 Tom _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 27 19:35:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAE7D2D0791 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2012 19:35:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nlpi162.prodigy.net (nlpi162.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.36.34]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B24052C04D6 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2012 19:35:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from barney-gaylord.mgaguru.com (adsl-99-141-168-98.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net [99.141.168.98]) (authenticated bits=0) by nlpi162.prodigy.net (8.14.4 smptauth/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q9S1aDwL026601; Sat, 27 Oct 2012 20:36:13 -0500 Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 20:36:16 -0500 To: "Tom Gunderson" , "Mga List" From: Barney Gaylord References: <3BB3D2E6BD674E8BB46CE7FF7E72D0ED@OwnerPC> Subject: Re: [Mgs] GEN rebuild Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net No. Just make like you are adjusting the belt tension. Use a 9/16" open end wrench in your finger tips. A good light helps. At 08:31 PM 10/27/2012 -0400, Tom Gunderson wrote: >Do I need to remove the radiator to remove the gen? It is very hard >to get your hand and wrench to the lower front bolt on the gen. >1957 mga 1500 >.... _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 28 03:53:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 436822D06D4 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 03:53:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f173.google.com (mail-wi0-f173.google.com [209.85.212.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60BB92D04BA for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 03:53:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f173.google.com with SMTP id hm4so1167800wib.2 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 02:54:46 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=D8tAgpcxJiiX3ZXwpLUfSYvzYYV9Kx9ETefhzsd+Nao=; b=SBo60OChve0Tqg1nM38LA3nuWzlpuBQPoVbObHInEhAAuyi8rQynhMJY359EnW0kXP CYeMTuBh7rIGiFCvVpP9cjopeBUPuOvxRYvklkyUZEn5DmrNqDt0wSI20nNs7SUXHb5V xBh39LtlLlTDaoUA7UBoazvcvDfrii6DUTxVZXhF8quYBVh62QvPUZM2LE0VdT7Eo9iF j5MNNipmBmWQwallzZ16KuxldiXbDHhJSxsaLexffKUVQDoR7APIHQxk1b8LtP92e41A 7Xc6Ys5/tZt4ens1pyZ6/5Hx+SAzIklLWGbynn0CrAOn3WO8ILIIBw78gU0JbobdUxah DrJw== Received: by 10.216.201.28 with SMTP id a28mr15787700weo.74.1351418086083; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 02:54:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-3.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.105]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f1sm5254128wiy.2.2012.10.28.02.54.44 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 28 Oct 2012 02:54:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "4 - MGs" References: <508C1E52.1010803@justbrits.com> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 09:34:53 -0000 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fwd: [.H.ealeys] No Healey content but absolutely BRILLIANT. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Brilliant! Now that's another one I'd really like to see and hear, after the Vampire and Vulcan earlier this year. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Turn up the sound and enjoy those Merlins!! > > http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/warbird-flies-again-video-5108120 -- _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 28 11:26:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D5792D0764 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 11:26:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from cpsmtpb-ews04.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpb-ews04.kpnxchange.com [213.75.39.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C5D32D032C for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 11:10:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpsps-ews06.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.173]) by cpsmtpb-ews04.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Sun, 28 Oct 2012 18:11:24 +0100 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT101.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.17]) by cpsps-ews06.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Sun, 28 Oct 2012 18:11:24 +0100 Received: from PolderPC ([77.171.11.159]) by CPSMTPM-CMT101.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Sun, 28 Oct 2012 18:11:41 +0100 From: "Hans Duinhoven" To: , References: <20121026.113153.21501.2@webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 18:11:49 +0100 Thread-Index: AQIRL9cMVKPXd9KbXoGcbrTLXr5VkpdH/eUQ Content-Language: nl FILETIME=[4C953670:01CDB52F] Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] brake fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I use Dot 5 since 2000 and found, that regular replacement must be done, eventhough Dot 5 does not mix with water. Water vapour still comes into the system, so finally can create rust into the cylinder bores. So I had to replace the clutch MC, as the cylinder bore was pitted. Cheers, Hans 71 BGT -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens mgbob@juno.com Verzonden: vrijdag 26 oktober 2012 17:32 Aan: paulhunt73@virginmedia.com CC: mgs@autox.team.net Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] brake fluid Silicone separates quite visibly. Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Max Heim" , "MG List" Subject: Re: [Mgs] brake fluid Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 09:41:07 +0100 DOT3, 4 and 5.1 aka Super DOT4 are all glycol based and hence compatible, so you can just flush the old out when filling with the new. DOT5 is the odd one out being silicone and the two types must not be mixed, switching between these is not a trivial task. I've never been able to understand why a development of glycol was given the designation DOT5.1, implying it was a development of silicone, and not DOT6. Water mixes pretty-well instantly with glycol based, never had silicone to try. PaulH. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/h.duinhoven@planet.nl _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 28 11:54:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A34952D07C8 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 11:54:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A03072D0502 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 11:54:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.184.166.234]) by m1plsmtpa01-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id Ghvf1k00653lu5001hvh5S; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 10:55:41 -0700 From: "Dave" To: References: <20121026.113153.21501.2@webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com> <002f01cdb52f$518a4940$f49edbc0$@planet.nl> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 12:55:10 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] brake fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net you must live in a very wet environment. I live in an environment with relatively high humidity in the summer, and have driven cars for years (one over 10) with no issues at all. you are in Holland, right? do you leave the car in one of those fields they regularly flood ? -----Original Message----- From: Hans Duinhoven Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 12:11 PM To: mgbob@juno.com ; paulhunt73@virginmedia.com Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] brake fluid I use Dot 5 since 2000 and found, that regular replacement must be done, eventhough Dot 5 does not mix with water. Water vapour still comes into the system, so finally can create rust into the cylinder bores. So I had to replace the clutch MC, as the cylinder bore was pitted. Cheers, Hans 71 BGT _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 28 13:29:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 655AE2D07D0 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 13:29:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5135B2D04C7 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 13:28:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta20.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.71]) by qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Gh4V1k0051YDfWL51jVheP; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 19:29:41 +0000 Received: from yourmb2swywknr ([67.184.121.26]) by omta20.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id GjUk1k0020aGQdP3gjUkp7; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 19:28:44 +0000 From: "Bob Donahue" To: "mgs" References: <03D8BF37B2A9499BBCA32958B54DDC30@OwnerPC> <201210271504.q9RF4qm5024044@nlpi176.prodigy.net> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 15:29:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] gen to alt Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I agree. Alternators have reliable solid state regulators built in. Relay type regulators, that generators use, are the weakest link in the charging system, IMHO. Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s) Email - bobmgtd@comcast.net Cars: 52 MGTD - #17639 71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361 Member: NEMGTR #11470 NAMGBR # 7-3336 Hoosier MGB Club Olde Octagons of Indiana ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barney Gaylord" To: "Tom Gunderson" ; "Mga List" Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [Mgs] gen to alt > Generator is often cheap and easy to repair, commonly only needs brushes. > However, if the generator is melted inside due to a failed control box, > that would be a good time to consider the alternator conversion. In > recent years replacement control boxes have been notoriously unreliable. > When a regulator relay fails, the bad $40 control box takes out a good > $100 generaor along with it. > > Barney Gaylord > 1958 MGA with an attitude > http://MGAguru.com > > > At 07:19 AM 10/27/2012 -0400, Tom Gunderson wrote: >>If I find that my generator is not working should I go to an alternator? >>1957 MGA 1500 > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 28 13:47:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B6B92D07F2 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 13:47:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 496782D03C0 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 13:46:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.51]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id GhAw1k00616LCl053jnnQf; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 19:47:47 +0000 Received: from yourmb2swywknr ([67.184.121.26]) by omta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id GjnE1k00i0aGQdP3SjnELo; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 19:47:15 +0000 From: "Bob Donahue" To: "mgs" References: <20121026.113153.21501.2@webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com> <002f01cdb52f$518a4940$f49edbc0$@planet.nl> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 15:47:49 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] brake fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I keep hearing two different opinions about Dot 5. Either: Dot 5 is terrible because it does not mix with water. Or: Dot 5 is wonderful because it does not mix with water. Take your pick! BTW, I've had good luck with Dot 5 in my TD over the past 10 years without replacement. Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s) Email - bobmgtd@comcast.net Cars: 52 MGTD - #17639 71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361 Member: NEMGTR #11470 NAMGBR # 7-3336 Hoosier MGB Club Olde Octagons of Indiana ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans Duinhoven" To: ; Cc: Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] brake fluid >I use Dot 5 since 2000 and found, that regular replacement must be done, > eventhough Dot 5 does not mix with water. > Water vapour still comes into the system, so finally can create rust into > the cylinder bores. > So I had to replace the clutch MC, as the cylinder bore was pitted. > > Cheers, > > Hans > 71 BGT > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens > mgbob@juno.com > Verzonden: vrijdag 26 oktober 2012 17:32 > Aan: paulhunt73@virginmedia.com > CC: mgs@autox.team.net > Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] brake fluid > > > Silicone separates quite visibly. > Bob > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "PaulHunt73" > To: "Max Heim" , "MG List" > Subject: Re: [Mgs] brake fluid > Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 09:41:07 +0100 > > DOT3, 4 and 5.1 aka Super DOT4 are all glycol based and hence compatible, > so > you can just flush the old out when filling with the new. DOT5 is the odd > one out being silicone and the two types must not be mixed, switching > between these is not a trivial task. I've never been able to understand > why > a development of glycol was given the designation DOT5.1, implying it was > a > development of silicone, and not DOT6. Water mixes pretty-well instantly > with glycol based, never had silicone to try. > > PaulH. > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 28 17:33:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1E602D07DD for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 17:33:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1744A2D07C1 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 17:28:21 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1351466967; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=KJhMgU8w875OwqLUK45Ffy89l89wRroAMb0w6KMrRo+ma26RhHH07sPliUSeitb0M 9/FzqtvC7t9t1QsAb1dieKcpnWhfBKwhj44WfTOilW3GjoDDY7EAXhL53+ZYS/htkp qz/eD2612iRa7ETN6ots6gTsCYdgNguNQrjSkRAE= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.103]) by smtpout02.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABJJ5R7ZAMM8QS2 for (sender ); Sun, 28 Oct 2012 16:28:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [108.88.216.197] by webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 23:27:38 GMT From: "mgbob@juno.com" Full-Name: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 23:27:38 GMT To: dave@ranteer.com Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] brake fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net My experience is as Hans's. I needed to have White Post sleeve all six wheel cylinders in my TD. Condensation forms in these vented systems. With DOT5 (silicone) it can travel to low points in the system, so one must bleed a tablespoon of water/brake fluid from time to time. Bo ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Dave" To: Subject: Re: [Mgs] brake fluid Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 12:55:10 -0500 you must live in a very wet environment. I live in an environment with relatively high humidity in the summer, and have driven cars for years (one over 10) with no issues at all. you are in Holland, right? do you leave the car in one of those fields they regularly flood ? -----Original Message----- From: Hans Duinhoven Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 12:11 PM To: mgbob@juno.com ; paulhunt73@virginmedia.com Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] brake fluid I use Dot 5 since 2000 and found, that regular replacement must be done, eventhough Dot 5 does not mix with water. Water vapour still comes into the system, so finally can create rust into the cylinder bores. So I had to replace the clutch MC, as the cylinder bore was pitted. Cheers, Hans 71 BGT _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbob@juno.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 28 19:10:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B63092D0699 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 19:10:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 340C52D0353 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 19:10:40 -0600 (MDT) a=1q14fx7sp++YLIU7SzGzgA==:17 a=M1n3L-6PpTwA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kJuSaoVYA00A:10 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=zo8hvysWAAAA:8 a=21HoqxOMAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=yDEb2oTEXQsN3SRddLUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=mscPh-jM9P4A:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=FydclQSCnV4A:10 a=Oxi3NFFUgcgA:10 a=1q14fx7sp++YLIU7SzGzgA==:117 Received: from [66.66.164.187] ([66.66.164.187:50193] helo=[192.168.1.4]) by hrndva-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 0B/AF-14780-3D7DD805; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 01:11:47 +0000 From: Paul Osborne Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 21:11:46 -0400 References: <03D8BF37B2A9499BBCA32958B54DDC30@OwnerPC> <201210271504.q9RF4qm5024044@nlpi176.prodigy.net> <9829037B92E647D3A03CC0137FDBD7DF@yourmb2swywknr> To: "Bob Donahue" Cc: mgs Subject: Re: [Mgs] gen to alt Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net BUT, you can purchase a solid state regulator, install it in your relay regulator box , and all looks orig. paul o On Oct 28, 2012, at 3:29 PM, Bob Donahue wrote: > I agree. Alternators have reliable solid state regulators built in. Relay type regulators, that generators use, are the weakest link in the charging system, IMHO. > > Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s) > Email - bobmgtd@comcast.net > Cars: 52 MGTD - #17639 > 71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361 > Member: NEMGTR #11470 > NAMGBR # 7-3336 > Hoosier MGB Club > Olde Octagons of Indiana > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barney Gaylord" > To: "Tom Gunderson" ; "Mga List" > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 11:04 AM > Subject: Re: [Mgs] gen to alt > > >> Generator is often cheap and easy to repair, commonly only needs brushes. However, if the generator is melted inside due to a failed control box, that would be a good time to consider the alternator conversion. In recent years replacement control boxes have been notoriously unreliable. When a regulator relay fails, the bad $40 control box takes out a good $100 generaor along with it. >> >> Barney Gaylord >> 1958 MGA with an attitude >> http://MGAguru.com >> >> >> At 07:19 AM 10/27/2012 -0400, Tom Gunderson wrote: >>> If I find that my generator is not working should I go to an alternator? >>> 1957 MGA 1500 >> _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/paul@ece.rochester.edu _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 29 00:38:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DCC42D0791 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 00:38:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail.pure-chaos.com (ember.pure-chaos.com [66.18.15.62]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C27A2D041C for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 00:38:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.pure-chaos.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65A9086003 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 01:39:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.pure-chaos.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ember.pure-chaos.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aqHUON3FX0Rz for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 01:39:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.168.5.50] (70-36-176-252.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [70.36.176.252]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: lrc.red4est) by mail.pure-chaos.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DE7C786002 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 01:39:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Larry Colen Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 23:39:05 -0700 References: <5089EDD4.4020000@ktc.com> To: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Clutch problem solved Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net On Oct 25, 2012, at 6:56 PM, Charley & Peggy Robinson wrote: > Are you saying that you took this engine and gearbox out of a car they had been running in and put them into another that had been sitting for 10 years and you used the clutch slave cylinder from the car that had been sitting for 10 years without inspecting it? Good grief! Nope, I left the gearbox in the car when I pulled the engine 10 years ago. I *think* it's the same block. It is the same pressure plate and clutch disk. Over the past 10 years an amazing range of things have come up to block progress. A long series of parts not being available. Then when I couldn't get the car together in time for a race, my throwing a rollcage into what was supposed to be a daily driver miata while I worked on the MG, and turning that into a racecar first, and having a racecar is not conducive to spending time and money on a fancy road car. My being laid off and not having money. My getting a job, but at a start up and not having time. My theoretically having time and money, but spending about eight months working almost full time on home repairs. The most impressive glitch in the schedule was caused by a kid doing something impressively stupid and in the process, crashing his car into my garage. As it turns out, I was in the shed downstairs from the garage when he did it. Despite the impressive carnage, nobody was seriously injured: http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157608318554680/ also: http://red4est.com/shedcrash/ It took almost a year of hassle to get the garage back to usability, then two months later Caltrans showed up, said that the work on the drainage had been done without their permits and it had to be taken out and done over. -- Larry Colen lrc@red4est.com sent from i4est _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 29 01:06:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 926D02D07D7 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 01:06:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail.pure-chaos.com (ember.pure-chaos.com [66.18.15.62]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4823D2C071C for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 01:00:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.pure-chaos.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AEB386003; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 02:01:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.pure-chaos.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ember.pure-chaos.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mZUYKbSg6Uft; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 02:01:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.168.5.50] (70-36-176-252.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [70.36.176.252]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: lrc.red4est) by mail.pure-chaos.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6581686002; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 02:01:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Larry Colen Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 00:01:20 -0700 References: <49875.173.110.4.227.1351225613.squirrel@wm.wi.net> <508A19FD.1070200@justbrits.com> To: Just Brits Shop Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Good news / Bad news Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I didn't assemble the motor. It was done by a friend at a race shop. A saga in itself. On Oct 25, 2012, at 10:05 PM, Just Brits Shop wrote: > << On 10/25/2012 11:26 PM, dwoerpel@wi.net wrote: > > .......but your plug leads don't look correct. I think the #1 wire should be in the 1 o'clock position on the distributor then going counter-clockwise, the #3 wire, then #4, then #2. >> > > Unless my eyes are SO shot from looking at a BMC Parts Catalogue with it's -10 point font print, all but # 3 are wrong, Dave ! ! ! > > The way I see it (counter-clockwise): > > Dist. # 1 goes to Plug # 2 > Dist. # 4 goes to Plug # 1 > Dist. # 3 goes to Plug # 3 > Dist. # 2 goes to Plug # 4 > > BUT, dizzy DOES look incorrectly 'positioned' ! ! ! > > Larry, Dave is correct in that #1 wire (cap) should be at 1:00 o'clock ! ! > Yours looks to be at close to 3:00 o'clock ? ! ? When I was horsing things around, I found that the adjustment on the dizzy wasn't tightened down, and its position is completely random. I am expecting/planning on setting timing from first principles when I'm a lot closer to being ready to fire it up. Given my preferences, I'd like to pull the dizzy, and the carb, and replace them with a megasquirt system with crank based timing. I'm afraid that probably won't happen in the near future. > > HOW did you put the dizzy "drive shaft" in ????????? I gave a pile of parts to Leroy Lacy and said, "Please make these into a complete motor". Actually I asked about the shop where he was building his GT-2 tiger doing it, but as it turned out he ended up doing it, getting the help of folks at that and the various other race shops right there. > > Have you turned to motor since you FIRST installed timing chain (with dots aligned)??? The motor has turned since then. > > GREAT lookin' job ! ! ! Question: Can't tell for SURE, but are there rubber 'o' rings under > cyl. head nuts as visible in last picture ?? I tried to enlarge, but............ ! ! Nope, those are fancy ARP cylinder head nuts. It's a pretty crazy motor, between the aluminum flywheel, head and backing plate, along with the reduction gear motor, I've knocked fifty static pounds off the motor (probably worth about half a second a lap). I've got a hi-flow (hp-performance) supercharger, pauter rods, Armand Ayala did the crank, venolia pistons, an aluminum head that was ported by Don Redmond (Replicka Machinen), roller rockers, Dima Elgin ground the cam to Hans Pederson's specs, and I've got the special header that Hans developed for the supercharged motors. With what I later discovered was cracked iron head, the previous incarnation of the motor, with the blower, saw 90 hp to the ground, and once peaked at 100. So, I'm hoping to consistently get a little better than 100 to the ground with the ported aluminum head. http://www.red4est.com/jasmine/dyno030304/dyno/dyno13.jpg It was pretty impressive, she'd keep up with the spec miatas on the straights at thunder hill. > > Ed > Please visit MY site at: > www.justbrits.com > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/lrc@red4est.com -- Larry Colen lrc@red4est.com sent from i4est _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 29 02:44:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62C202D084E for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 02:44:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-bk0-f41.google.com (mail-bk0-f41.google.com [209.85.214.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA7E52D0828 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 02:44:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-bk0-f41.google.com with SMTP id jm1so1987744bkc.14 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 01:45:36 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:cc:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=JIPsoRpeM2kCtDzZXSi8Rt/hrjORr6e5Mmy6QWTKBLs=; b=StkKJtQP+uGLV6SsdvK4Hv5RUWc2BV9MSjJOmevZNoqw35P2ks+deUC+jIjm+hz88i e84S5BChkpBRXitMpxmqrvITYGiVHAw+6S3EyPtN6HMHFXbQ6T58IVUz0zVt3YDu+wzW JA4IAKDoMJ1zlnAif/PYZFaM7aJ5ENRuJksuOcFXwTF8NtkvUOLHMp+XdJCEjgicPtIA cSaJ1/jTZQC/a6igLvTT+QwAXl4lQGK2J2NVbHa8qW7ouVEkG/7ylIwK2620zbSvXTCD C1IOZQcygdZleYpt7syUTThV9E34rTv09sRCFcWe1A0lEEPz8Jw4jmbFckubhS/6s3lK IVKA== Received: by 10.204.11.141 with SMTP id t13mr8863239bkt.65.1351500336460; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 01:45:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-3.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.105]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e3sm3222321bks.7.2012.10.29.01.45.34 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 29 Oct 2012 01:45:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Hans Duinhoven" References: <20121026.113153.21501.2@webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com> <002f01cdb52f$518a4940$f49edbc0$@planet.nl> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 08:38:44 -0000 Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] brake fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net That's exactly it. Suppliers statements of "Silicone Brake Fluid repels moisture so, unlike standard polyglycol brake fluid, it never needs changing. Rust and corrosion are inhibited because moisture is kept out of the system ..." are a complete nonsense. The same amount of water gets into MGB systems filled with silicone fluid as it does with glycol. It still migrates to the ends of the system i.e. the callipers and slaves, and hence still reduces the boiling point particularly in the callipers, as well as causing localised rusting. It may well not mix with water, but it absorbs air, which results in a spongy pedal. Water in DOT3 and 4 is as uncompressible as brake fluid. It's original USP was a higher boiling point than DOT4, as well as not damaging paint. Now DOT5.1 has a higher boiling point than DOT5 (and Castrol LMA (Low Moisture Absorption) always did) it's only benefit is with the paint. Some time ago I read that as soon as someone came up with a way of completely flushing all traces of silicone from hydraulic systems the American military would be ditching silicone in favour of DOT5.1. Humidity isn't the only factor. Temperature is as well, and the rapidity and frequency of changes from cold and dry to warm and wet, where warm moist air condenses out on everything, something we in the UK at least get very frequently, and in any season. Whilst the Workshop Manual specifies changing all hydraulic *seals* at 36 k/months (albeit North America only) it doesn't mention fluid. Fluid is obviously (?) replaced at the same time, and it probably does no harm to flush some out of each calliper and slave annually. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Water vapour still comes into the system, so finally can create rust into > the cylinder bores. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 29 10:31:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7BC22D04C9 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 10:31:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc4-s18.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc4-s18.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.220]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4589A2C0956 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 10:31:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY157-W39 ([65.54.190.199]) by bay0-omc4-s18.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 29 Oct 2012 09:32:43 -0700 From: James Schulte To: "Mgs@autox.team.net" , Magnette ZAZB Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 12:32:43 -0400 FILETIME=[056DBA50:01CDB5F3] Subject: [Mgs] Reconditioning /cleaning carbs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Folks,I received a carb care package from John E today and want to get started cleaning them to prepare for rebuild. I was thinking of using brake cleaner spray to get rid of grime. Is this ok or should I use Simple Green, WD 40 or some other cleaner to wipe them down inside and out? Any suggestions? Jim Schulte President Lehigh Valley Kayak & Canoe Club _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 29 10:58:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F20A2D0853 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 10:58:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B94CF2D02EC for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 10:57:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ee0-f41.google.com with SMTP id c4so2796685eek.14 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 09:59:05 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=ox2mYiDrSRv51hbZSQPkAplCfAREn9tr0v3VHxpfhHg=; b=jFs+IU7t3pqubni68nSBi/oyA0T4bTbvyi+3WYEc/PurHqi1XXAWrcPC9bL4LKbBXk bOV6KvZ4WB2cEH3PPJC6kc9mm8Es3ZNra8TrHeH8NnwDN6DCtADaUcuVB4zsGwmRNIyV ShsujSnM/hUhegVr38XPLCP5Bo/Bd/JaewhLD4qb1Ku9ug5j1gXDmPEuCySqodThzL4R Fwz+l8sMMHOk0G5o2QYcHxSVfY/hfhzuuiQdlh2+vi+MuCEHwsMk6G0VITsq2cazCnLe 5j9xT7KOrOFYbcDN6Tg3RVxwmexrUpC463PY5xvhgcEQxv82Z82+D8Cy/nfgZDm8fLW/ jexw== Received: by 10.14.175.71 with SMTP id y47mr63164819eel.36.1351529945716; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 09:59:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-3.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.105]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c6sm23840262eep.17.2012.10.29.09.59.04 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 29 Oct 2012 09:59:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "James Schulte" , "Mgs@autox.team.net" References: Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 16:53:47 -0000 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Reconditioning /cleaning carbs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Why not carb cleaner? That comes in a high-pressure aerosol designed to blast off typical carb internal sooting so external grime (assuming that is what you mean) should be no problem. ----- Original Message ----- > Folks,I received a carb care package from John E today and want to get > started > cleaning them to prepare for rebuild. I was thinking of using brake > cleaner > spray to get rid of grime. Is this ok or should I use Simple Green, WD 40 > or > some other cleaner to wipe them down inside and out? Any suggestions? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 29 11:59:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A69C2D0829 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 11:59:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc1-s10.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc1-s10.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B03472D0808 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 11:52:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU0-SMTP131 ([65.55.116.9]) by blu0-omc1-s10.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 29 Oct 2012 10:54:03 -0700 Received: from [10.0.0.12] ([69.253.64.206]) by BLU0-SMTP131.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 29 Oct 2012 10:53:59 -0700 To: "PaulHunt73" ,"=?utf-8?B?TUcgTGlzdA==?=" ,"=?utf-8?B?TWFnbmV0dGUgZ3JvdXA=?=" From: =?utf-8?B?c2NodWx0ZWppbUBtc24uY29t?= Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:53:57 -0400 FILETIME=[5FCEEE50:01CDB5FE] Subject: Re: [Mgs] =?utf-8?q?Reconditioning_/cleaning_carbs?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Guys Thanks for the feedback. Yes Paul I meant carb cleaner but I only saw brake cleaner on the shelf until a second look after your post. I didn't think of paint thinner Curt. That is a good cheap option. It's been a while (8 years) since I did a full restoration. So I may need some reminders from time to time. I have decided to name this Mg 1100 Cali. As it came from California via New Hampshire. Jim S. Harleysville, PA Sent via the HTC Vividb", an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone ----- Reply message ----- From: "PaulHunt73" To: "James Schulte" , "Mgs@autox.team.net" Subject: [Mgs] Reconditioning /cleaning carbs Date: Mon, Oct 29, 2012 12:53 pm Why not carb cleaner? That comes in a high-pressure aerosol designed to blast off typical carb internal sooting so external grime (assuming that is what you mean) should be no problem. ----- Original Message ----- > Folks,I received a carb care package from John E today and want to get > started > cleaning them to prepare for rebuild. I was thinking of using brake > cleaner > spray to get rid of grime. Is this ok or should I use Simple Green, WD 40 > or > some other cleaner to wipe them down inside and out? Any suggestions? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 29 12:18:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA8CC2D0868 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 12:18:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from cpsmtpb-ews02.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpb-ews02.kpnxchange.com [213.75.39.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F0F92D03DA for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 12:17:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpsps-ews18.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.184]) by cpsmtpb-ews02.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 29 Oct 2012 19:18:43 +0100 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT102.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.18]) by cpsps-ews18.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Mon, 29 Oct 2012 19:18:43 +0100 Received: from PolderPC ([77.171.11.159]) by CPSMTPM-CMT102.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Mon, 29 Oct 2012 19:19:01 +0100 From: "Hans Duinhoven" To: "'Dave'" , References: <20121026.113153.21501.2@webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com> <002f01cdb52f$518a4940$f49edbc0$@planet.nl> <9425B5D1F683484DB8D18F0BB20322F1@Datsun> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 19:19:02 +0100 Thread-Index: AQIRL9cMVKPXd9KbXoGcbrTLXr5VkgJJeeAbAneHY+WXI5pyYA== Content-Language: nl FILETIME=[DED33AA0:01CDB601] Subject: Re: [Mgs] brake fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net The car is safely in the garage when it's wet outside. Though living near the seeside makes the air humid almost all time... There are lower riverbanks, which regulary flood. I do not live nearby a river, so no chance. I do live several meters below seelevel - how about that! And yes the soil overhere is quite wet. But we're happy we do not have such severe storms like the US east coast has now. Take care all of you! Cheers, Hans 71 BGT -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens Dave Verzonden: zondag 28 oktober 2012 18:55 Aan: mgs@autox.team.net Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] brake fluid you must live in a very wet environment. I live in an environment with relatively high humidity in the summer, and have driven cars for years (one over 10) with no issues at all. you are in Holland, right? do you leave the car in one of those fields they regularly flood ? -----Original Message----- From: Hans Duinhoven Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 12:11 PM To: mgbob@juno.com ; paulhunt73@virginmedia.com Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] brake fluid I use Dot 5 since 2000 and found, that regular replacement must be done, eventhough Dot 5 does not mix with water. Water vapour still comes into the system, so finally can create rust into the cylinder bores. So I had to replace the clutch MC, as the cylinder bore was pitted. Cheers, Hans 71 BGT _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 29 13:52:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A1442D0815 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:52:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C2182D07C2 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:44:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B3DF2E046 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:46:53 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:45:51 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120315 Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8 To: MG List References: Subject: Re: [Mgs] Reconditioning /cleaning carbs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Years ago I purchased a refillable aerosol spray can, probably from Harbor Freight. You put some paint thinner or whatever in it, pressurize it from your compressor and then spray away. Handy for some cleaning jobs like carbs. mjb. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 29 14:04:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9A9D2D086B for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 14:04:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEE532D051A for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:57:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from GATEWAY (ool-18beb3a2.dyn.optonline.net [24.190.179.162]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0MCO00NG97H64WA0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for mgs@autox.team.net; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 15:58:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 15:58:18 -0400 From: John Di Fede To: mgs@autox.team.net Thread-index: Ac22D72KG94uXNNEQZGOPED7YQDPIg== Subject: [Mgs] Reconditioning / Cleaning Carbs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Jim, There is also a carburetor dip that I have used to clean carb bodies. It comes in a gallon can similar to a paint can. The can includes a dip bucket. Drop the carb body in the bucket, let soak overnight. The product I use is called Chem-Dip carburetor parts cleaner. It should be available at your local FLAPS. I believe I purchased mine at Auto Zone. John DiFede New York (Awaiting hurricane Sandy) From: James Schulte schultejim@msn.com To: "Mgs@autox.team.net" , Magnette ZAZB Subject: [Mgs] Reconditioning /cleaning carbs Folks,I received a carb care package from John E today and want to get started cleaning them to prepare for rebuild. I was thinking of using brake cleaner spray to get rid of grime. Is this ok or should I use Simple Green, WD 40 or some other cleaner to wipe them down inside and out? Any suggestions? Jim Schulte President Lehigh Valley Kayak & Canoe Club _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 29 14:23:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B01852D0842 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 14:23:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B09B62D0232 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 14:23:20 -0600 (MDT) a=Wxgv+QLbe+79EIPj9fGG8w==:17 a=FdtlkmQF8jYA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=UU4mPcDAISClGO6hjkEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Wxgv+QLbe+79EIPj9fGG8w==:117 Received: from [72.186.13.72] ([72.186.13.72:50238] helo=[172.16.0.4]) by hrndva-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 0B/83-14780-BF5EE805; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 20:24:27 +0000 From: "W. David Houser" Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 16:24:26 -0400 To: MGList List Subject: [Mgs] Sandy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hoping that all the Listers in Sandy's way come away without harm. Usually, we are in the cone of the storm Take care, Dave Houser Brooksville, FL _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 29 15:05:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BCBB2D084A for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 15:05:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173009pub.verizon.net (vms173009pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 496B22D03A9 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 14:58:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from frankdcczr6l6k ([unknown] [100.40.63.105]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MCO008VNABQ8D30@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for mgs@autox.team.net; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 15:59:51 -0500 (CDT) From: To: "W. David Houser" References: Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 16:59:48 -0400 Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Sandy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Dave. Riding it out here in southern Rhode Island. Frank Krajewski ----- Original Message ----- From: "W. David Houser" To: "MGList List" Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:24 PM Subject: [Mgs] Sandy > Hoping that all the Listers in Sandy's way come away without harm. > Usually, > we are in the cone of the storm > Take care, > Dave Houser > Brooksville, FL > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 29 15:13:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C6A32D0857 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 15:13:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm20-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm20-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.218]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A01F2D0391 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 15:13:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.68] by nm20.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2012 21:14:24 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.22] by tm8.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2012 21:14:24 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1022.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2012 21:14:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 27571 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Oct 2012 21:14:24 -0000 s=s1024; t=1351545264; bh=svwEVt6/9Gb5sHBnn1BYwgYl5J5XayTbHBDUNTzX+qg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vRbcTUwshFc5LCFQReLBi97AvFboryNQyhfe42ze/utagt6Txb9dAHNPP6+pkG5mjVHcQemW8NMMEFgXdRVjct0SrWKmMZ+3GNhq4C12SKmAaEJYbguUSERXwLKbisDHAjppaDFlf6hjHsdShBbF1eM3pl0+0efT9oTXuPRgOmM= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Oz+EEDhD/u7jc6FOIo1ND0nwf4aO72aX5CcrcXlr9uYweh3rDF8p2jSK1nTC7OtLFifkID/0So22UNDt6DYS5G9ydLGk6BbwvHVwMhRBNXpYbTXbx1vkYPi1RDvkLC31y5bEFgEkG8l6YckXHPIVfOO9Np0DHP3shPQThiHLiEw=; y8o8LE97KsAmX1100dvPZFV6wvIuGhi5DxQFwDPVrPkLwIa09oIuANL3pmjY 91OiTXSzf6oAJ4B_44.B_VNIpJLmHT.KPDxshTw.VKet2IBGLh0_HNfadODd xyZiI6eBcYs5shNIWf4AGIZTr8V4sMqmPKiszlGqmBKkKRX4NcguPQuJrEqP BznBRGxrzp0pFTBPifQFCW25dmbPbLxbwKZXQUg0KGv63WkbA73rCi2O6a_G LUVf1Hio_vgakLW7GWRW5kRCqLSw.UrN4YeOC3RFFkSiQFCTGPrGcl6G61gw 2coggphLp1Ir9qxvmWwCtolKuAoRXNzKmGIqVgLltob2CkTqt9mTwkWHpQ44 dqMUKDRk3ANlM98BdqLrRgeBEFahIT2Tf.QDt697_rjCId3IuNHjklUoGFEe .LZCtB3JFsOUHwLuEIjnn4T0lbEg1zzKOtvKUmHNij_xfFYiP05WZZIwxhBx 7wOZVjMxvocQhOmncCwUIChW3RQ-- Received: from [69.249.167.92] by web39404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 14:14:24 PDT VGhhbmtzIGZvciB0aGF0IERhdmUuCgpWZXJ5IHdpbmR5IGFuZCByYWlueSBoZXJlIGluIFBoaWxhZGVscGhpYSBQQS7CoCBTdG9ybSBsYW5kZmFsbCBpcyBzdXBwb3NlZCB0byBiZSBuZWFyIEF0bGFudGljIENpdHkgTkosIHdoaWNoIGlzIG9ubHkgYWJvdXQgODAgbWlsZXMgZnJvbSBoZXJlLsKgIEkgcHJheSB0aGF0IG5vIHRyZWVzIGZhbGwuCgpHVCBpcyBzYWZlbHkgdHVja2VkIGF3YXkgaW4gdGhlIGdhcmFnZSwgaHVua2VyaW5nIGRvd24ganVzdCBhcyB3ZSBhcmUuLi4uCgpNYXR0IE1pbGtldml0Y2gKJzcBMAEBAQE- References: Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 14:14:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Milkevitch To: "W. David Houser" , MGList List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Sandy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for that Dave. Very windy and rainy here in Philadelphia PA. Storm landfall is supposed to be near Atlantic City NJ, which is only about 80 miles from here. I pray that no trees fall. GT is safely tucked away in the garage, hunkering down just as we are.... Matt Milkevitch '74 MGBGT ________________________________ From: W. David Houser To: MGList List Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:24 PM Subject: [Mgs] Sandy Hoping that all the Listers in Sandy's way come away without harm. Usually, we are in the cone of the storm Take care, Dave Houser Brooksville, FL _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: Archive: Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mmilkevitch@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 29 19:44:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 463C22D087B for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 19:44:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.mail.wowway.com (smtp.wow.synacor.com [64.8.70.55]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A26972D0862 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 19:40:10 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined c=1 sm=0 a=AhRLOILGsKkA:10 a=dmAI8nOmi0ZdbM_Fr4gA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=zSp15psLJuK29kiFrMwA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=h2iXxT9cPBYAUMbPaTmFYw==:117 Authentication-Results: smtp02.wow.synacor.com smtp.mail=runner01@wowway.com; spf=neutral Received-SPF: neutral (smtp02.wow.synacor.com: 96.27.166.67 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of wowway.com) Received: from [96.27.166.67] ([96.27.166.67:51186] helo=AcerPC) by smtp.mail.wowway.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.40 r(29895/29896)) with ESMTPS (cipher=AES256-SHA) id B6/27-08411-D303F805; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 21:41:18 -0400 From: "Ray Graham" To: Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 20:41:11 -0500 Thread-index: Ac22P6P4Z6xUtWy2RfGweHocvi66qA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Mgs] Headlight Bucket Removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Team: Getting ready to restore and paint. How do you remove the headlight buckets on a 1966 MGB? It appears that the buckets are riveted into the body? Thanks, Ray Graham _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 30 00:08:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 986112D0831 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 00:08:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from crabmail.rutgers.edu (crabmail1.rutgers.edu [165.230.111.217]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B540A2D0424 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 00:01:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by crabmail.rutgers.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE765630076 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 21:14:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crabmail.rutgers.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (crabmail.rutgers.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S6NDMLi2yIU2 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 21:14:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crab.rutgers.edu (crab.rutgers.edu [165.230.111.194]) by crabmail.rutgers.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 746B8630072 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 21:14:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool-173-61-45-136.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net ([173.61.45.136]) by crab.rutgers.edu with HTTP (HTTP/1.1 POST); Mon, 29 Oct 2012 21:14:06 -0400 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 21:14:06 -0400 From: saidel To: References: <1351545264.20326.YahooMailNeo@web39404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/0.7.2 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Sandy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Windy, wet, branches down here in Cherry Hill, NJ (11 miles East of Philadelphia, 55 miles from Atlantic City). Run-off street water doing a great job cleaning the roads. Quite the event. Nice for once to be sufficiently far from the ocean. The news reporting (excessive) indicated that no matter how much they broadcast from the shore, it was worse. Political comment: as much as I dislike the policies of Gov. Christie, he did well in his planning and pronouncements about this event. Good for him. Bill Saidel '76 MGB On 2012-10-29 17:14, Matthew Milkevitch wrote: > Thanks for that Dave. > > Very windy and rainy here in Philadelphia PA. Storm > landfall is supposed to be near Atlantic City NJ, which is only about > 80 miles > from here. I pray that no trees fall. > > GT is safely tucked away in the > garage, hunkering down just as we are.... > > Matt Milkevitch > '74 MGBGT > ________________________________ > From: W. David Houser > > To: MGList List > Sent: Monday, > October 29, 2012 4:24 PM > Subject: [Mgs] Sandy > > Hoping that all the Listers in > Sandy's way come away without harm. Usually, > we are in the cone of the storm > Take care, > Dave Houser > Brooksville, FL > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: > http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mmilkevitch@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/saidel@camden.rutgers.edu _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 30 02:45:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C25A72D0484 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 02:45:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f169.google.com (mail-we0-f169.google.com [74.125.82.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F8E92D03AE for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 02:41:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-we0-f169.google.com with SMTP id u3so10707wey.14 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 01:42:42 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=M2vtmg2CsactU7CyUWc2mr2zfSKNWYpG/qT1rfXnZWY=; b=I5FTaEg5SoUu2Sp8RvTnhKsn5Y/KcEu5CrDCluigASm94sOimgxxkuAhDk7Jq+GTzr LJfQLmhlKgxPeqmz7BbM7xpNtixlF5c1mGAtT7RaMjRwNMrfrIzAn4zwc7EJy+t3E0D6 RRZwtzDfUerxJ1Tp9JuEPeKR9n3qWk/90comsYjh1VX+v9vjibJ22hhigykZUZXqy9ez G8xa9dILP19tf3r/HE9FurAOy0UcNoqH3cPonur7hG/CrPjpSEAvC7QKY4GwFM0xtX2s qAFugtqfKMzfI1uC1XKAwQQCERPLCknEqYkVeuKU6wTUL0a8D4m6hWb6/GtuhUdEVEy0 /hZg== Received: by 10.216.206.152 with SMTP id l24mr16391616weo.66.1351586562613; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 01:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-3.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.105]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a2sm5581148wie.6.2012.10.30.01.42.41 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 30 Oct 2012 01:42:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Ray Graham" , References: <001201cdb63f$a471d1d0$ed557570$@wowway.com> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 08:31:33 -0000 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Headlight Bucket Removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Not originally, they have four screws into plastic sockets in the headlight ring (which is spot-welded to the wing). PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Getting ready to restore and paint. How do you remove the headlight > buckets > on a 1966 MGB? It appears that the buckets are riveted into the body? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 30 19:05:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59AD02D05C0 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 19:05:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta51.windstream.net (pacmmta51.windstream.net [162.39.147.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2273C2D03C7 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 18:53:35 -0600 (MDT) cv=aHfn/RYGjHyGP+N2EnbBgTIWTR5GejUgQkkcqrFc9ss= c=1 sm=0 a=jAXA38P_poEA:10 a=W5u2Vk24TyIA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=v3-NYeQPl-gHKWM04pwA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=lTm/7LuN2StONr4Hv0nu5w==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta51 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [151.213.159.39] ([151.213.159.39:60528] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta51 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id EB/93-09697-3D670905; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 20:54:43 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 19:54:40 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121010 Thunderbird/16.0.1 To: Larry Colen References: <5089EDD4.4020000@ktc.com> Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Clutch problem solved Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I misunderstood. Looks like you've had your share of travails. Keep truckin' and my hat's off to ya! CR _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 30 19:09:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F3F42D08BB for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 19:09:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D845D2D0484 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 19:02:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.92]) by qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id HcyZ1k0021zF43QAFd3ceY; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 01:03:36 +0000 Received: from yourmb2swywknr ([67.184.121.26]) by omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Hd3b1k00C0aGQdP8kd3bio; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 01:03:36 +0000 From: "Bob Donahue" To: "mgs" References: <03D8BF37B2A9499BBCA32958B54DDC30@OwnerPC> <201210271504.q9RF4qm5024044@nlpi176.prodigy.net> <9829037B92E647D3A03CC0137FDBD7DF@yourmb2swywknr> <01E99907-9DC5-46C2-8A2A-7C50F36D20DF@ece.rochester.edu> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 21:03:49 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] gen to alt Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wow, where can I purchase one of these solid state generator regulators for my TD? Electrical contacts have limited life under rapid, constant switching. Transistors can do the job with no wear. I love my Pertronix Ignitor. If I can get a solid state regulator, I will love it also. Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s) Email - bobmgtd@comcast.net Cars: 52 MGTD - #17639 71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361 Member: NEMGTR #11470 NAMGBR # 7-3336 Hoosier MGB Club Olde Octagons of Indiana ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Osborne" To: "Bob Donahue" Cc: "mgs" Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] gen to alt BUT, you can purchase a solid state regulator, install it in your relay regulator box , and all looks orig. paul o On Oct 28, 2012, at 3:29 PM, Bob Donahue wrote: > I agree. Alternators have reliable solid state regulators built in. Relay > type regulators, that generators use, are the weakest link in the charging > system, IMHO. > > Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s) > Email - bobmgtd@comcast.net > Cars: 52 MGTD - #17639 > 71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361 > Member: NEMGTR #11470 > NAMGBR # 7-3336 > Hoosier MGB Club > Olde Octagons of Indiana _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 30 19:23:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DDA22D05C6 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 19:23:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta52.windstream.net (pacmmta52.windstream.net [162.39.147.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94F3E2C0CE3 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 19:07:59 -0600 (MDT) cv=qLnK0TQP0Sjj11iwkjRg0C1b6gmN2kBD+4eP4Y8vpSE= c=1 sm=0 a=jAXA38P_poEA:10 a=eHiXLUhrtKUA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=-UcriN22AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=iL-o_AcH5OLMnFWY1c4A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 a=lTm/7LuN2StONr4Hv0nu5w==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta52 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [151.213.159.39] ([151.213.159.39:60719] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta52 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id F0/28-18014-23A70905; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 21:09:06 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 20:09:03 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121010 Thunderbird/16.0.1 To: James Schulte References: Cc: "Mgs@autox.team.net" , Magnette ZAZB Subject: Re: [Mgs] Reconditioning /cleaning carbs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Here's the stuff I used to use when I was running a shop. http://www.motionindustries.com/motion3/jsp/mii/viewItemDetailsMI.jsp?AM_ACTION=ViewItemDetailsAM&LANGUAGE=0&AM_FIRST=Y&LINE_NO=12&SR_LINE_NO=11&SEARCH_DESC=03060716&SEARCH_FIELD=M&MFR_PART_NO=14104+TYME+CARB+CLEANER&BUS_ACTION=details&display_option=N&KeepThis=true&TB_iframe=true&height=500&width=600 Take the carbs apart and put every part that you're going to reuse in the bath basket overnight. Pull out the basket and rinse the parts in warm water next day. I once put this stuff into a competitor's parts cleaner bucket because I could only find a refill can of the Tyme. The next day the bucket was leaking at the seams! CR On 10/29/2012 11:32 AM, James Schulte wrote: > Folks,I received a carb care package from John E today and want to get started > cleaning them to prepare for rebuild. I was thinking of using brake cleaner > spray to get rid of grime. Is this ok or should I use Simple Green, WD 40 or > some other cleaner to wipe them down inside and out? Any suggestions? > > Jim Schulte > President Lehigh Valley Kayak & Canoe Club > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 30 20:03:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3061C2D089B for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 20:03:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail.db3net.net (mail.db3net.net [209.225.111.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66C162D031D for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 19:41:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wm.wi.net (wm.evwi.net [209.225.111.205]) by mail.db3net.net (db3broadband.com) with ESMTP id 435D111F9F1; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 20:24:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 108.101.45.203 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dwoerpel) by wm.wi.net with HTTP; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 20:42:26 -0500 (CDT) References: <03D8BF37B2A9499BBCA32958B54DDC30@OwnerPC> <201210271504.q9RF4qm5024044@nlpi176.prodigy.net> <9829037B92E647D3A03CC0137FDBD7DF@yourmb2swywknr> <01E99907-9DC5-46C2-8A2A-7C50F36D20DF@ece.rochester.edu> <19F82EE5DE3A4A82A1775D3B60029312@yourmb2swywknr> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 20:42:26 -0500 (CDT) From: dwoerpel@wi.net To: "Bob Donahue" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.13 Cc: mgs Subject: Re: [Mgs] gen to alt Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Just got one and it works great. http://wiltonae.com/home/index.aspx Give Bob Jeffers a call and then you'll have to give him some data about your generator. Good luck! Dave W. 59 MGA 1500 > Wow, where can I purchase one of these solid state generator regulators > for > my TD? > > Electrical contacts have limited life under rapid, constant switching. > Transistors can do the job with no wear. I love my Pertronix Ignitor. If I > can get a solid state regulator, I will love it also. > > Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s) > Email - bobmgtd@comcast.net > Cars: 52 MGTD - #17639 > 71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361 > Member: NEMGTR #11470 > NAMGBR # 7-3336 > Hoosier MGB Club > Olde Octagons of Indiana > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Osborne" > To: "Bob Donahue" > Cc: "mgs" > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 9:11 PM > Subject: Re: [Mgs] gen to alt > > > BUT, you can purchase a solid state regulator, install it in your relay > regulator box , and all looks orig. > > paul o > On Oct 28, 2012, at 3:29 PM, Bob Donahue wrote: > >> I agree. Alternators have reliable solid state regulators built in. >> Relay >> type regulators, that generators use, are the weakest link in the >> charging >> system, IMHO. >> >> Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s) >> Email - bobmgtd@comcast.net >> Cars: 52 MGTD - #17639 >> 71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361 >> Member: NEMGTR #11470 >> NAMGBR # 7-3336 >> Hoosier MGB Club >> Olde Octagons of Indiana > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dwoerpel@wi.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 30 20:17:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0193A2D0829 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 20:17:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy8-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy8-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.22.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 606F22D0627 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 19:43:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 17735 invoked by uid 0); 31 Oct 2012 01:45:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box609.bluehost.com) (70.40.220.109) by oproxy8.bluehost.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2012 01:45:05 -0000 d=justbrits.com; s=default; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=LaL32g+LoU2iZ4mZTnlO8xmda40tyTVTvskcJKMu0zc=; b=dbeiP8TyaKFdfR+esf+sPw+lRY3SUwb8Bf631DMesc9h/Kza5qSREqdT45DHAhOVQ5JibOBBRR2+Svy/BOohfzbqrS2CO4qicy2rSRKQPadsas5UjKybmh3pU3/vsDHs; Received: from [24.15.13.164] (port=37911 helo=[192.168.0.106]) by box609.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TTNMf-0003Xx-Hm for mgs@autox.team.net; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 19:45:05 -0600 Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 20:45:05 -0500 From: "\" Just Brits \" Shop" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121010 Thunderbird/16.0.1 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <03D8BF37B2A9499BBCA32958B54DDC30@OwnerPC> <201210271504.q9RF4qm5024044@nlpi176.prodigy.net> <9829037B92E647D3A03CC0137FDBD7DF@yourmb2swywknr> <01E99907-9DC5-46C2-8A2A-7C50F36D20DF@ece.rochester.edu> <19F82EE5DE3A4A82A1775D3B60029312@yourmb2swywknr> {sentby:smtp auth 24.15.13.164 authed with sales@justbrits.com} Subject: Re: [Mgs] gen to alt Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net << On 10/30/2012 8:03 PM, Bob Donahue wrote: > Wow, where can I purchase one of these solid state generator > regulators for my TD?>> Don't you READ The Octagon, Bob ?? Also, plenty on them in Archives ! ! ! Ed _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 31 15:32:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 540192D064F for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 15:32:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from rc1-smtp.comporium.net (rc1-smtp.comporium.net [208.104.2.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E549D2D045F for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 14:38:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rg25.comporium.net ([208.104.244.60]) by rc1-smtp.comporium.net ({6ef86d1c-fcb7-4b71-ab61-5707d6041926}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20121031203930940 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 20:39:30 +0000 Received: from 208-104-160-118.rh4.cm.dyn.comporium.net (HELO OwnerPC) ([208.104.160.118]) by rg24.comporium.net (MOS 4.3.4-GA FastPath queued) with SMTP id LOZ26051; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 16:39:30 -0400 (EDT) From: "Tom Gunderson" To: "Mga List" Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 16:38:58 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] MGA gen Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I looked at the brushes and the look fine. I did not remove the back plate. I could see the brushes through the slot holes. I checked the voltage at the back plate and it is 0. I can jump start the car and it will run fine. The battery is too low to turn the engine over. Should I remove the back plate of the gen and inspect? Tom Gunderson 1957 1500 MGA _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net